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Speaker 1: here to meet Missy O'Malley, the hardest working woman in Bozeman.

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Speaker 1: also want to make sure honey equipment is quiet linked

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00:27:20,076 --> 00:27:22,516
Speaker 1: through the air or seemed to have an allergic reaction

419
00:27:22,596 --> 00:27:24,996
Speaker 1: to arrows. So they're quite jumpy because you know, especially

420
00:27:25,076 --> 00:27:27,476
Speaker 1: like white tailed deer and things just just been chasing

421
00:27:27,556 --> 00:27:30,116
Speaker 1: them for the last million years or so. So I

422
00:27:30,196 --> 00:27:34,996
Speaker 1: need to keep my knuckle behind there, no anchor. This

423
00:27:35,196 --> 00:27:42,516
Speaker 1: let her go. Oh goodness, ain't that fun? Nice shot?

424
00:27:42,756 --> 00:27:52,916
Speaker 1: You're a fast learner, bull's eye, That's hilarious. I can't

425
00:27:52,916 --> 00:27:55,196
Speaker 1: believe I could have been lefty. These targets here on

426
00:27:55,236 --> 00:28:03,556
Speaker 1: the wall, to say, three remnants of a different time

427
00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:10,836
Speaker 1: um are definitely still here. We still have like archaeological

428
00:28:10,956 --> 00:28:15,636
Speaker 1: sites and tepee rings, and it's just a sign of

429
00:28:15,756 --> 00:28:18,556
Speaker 1: different times. It makes me think about my mortality, about

430
00:28:18,596 --> 00:28:22,156
Speaker 1: Danielle's busy learning about how to silently murder mammals. I'm

431
00:28:22,156 --> 00:28:25,236
Speaker 1: on a steep hiking trail at Highlight Reservoir, trying to

432
00:28:25,356 --> 00:28:30,196
Speaker 1: keep up with my guide. My name is Nissoya twenty stands.

433
00:28:30,796 --> 00:28:34,836
Speaker 1: My English name is Francesca Pine Rodriguez. Why do have

434
00:28:35,036 --> 00:28:38,156
Speaker 1: their spray. Why do you keep saying that Francesca is

435
00:28:38,196 --> 00:28:41,356
Speaker 1: a local activists. For many years it was her job

436
00:28:41,436 --> 00:28:45,236
Speaker 1: to increase enrollment of Native Americans at Montana State University.

437
00:28:45,916 --> 00:28:48,436
Speaker 1: I came across her in a photo exhibit I saw online.

438
00:28:48,916 --> 00:28:51,596
Speaker 1: In the portrait, she stands on a football field or

439
00:28:51,676 --> 00:28:53,956
Speaker 1: in the colors of her alma mater MSU and the

440
00:28:54,076 --> 00:28:57,716
Speaker 1: traditional regalia of her tribes, the Crow and Northern Cheyenne.

441
00:28:57,916 --> 00:29:04,116
Speaker 1: You know, before colonization, we existed in this land and

442
00:29:04,836 --> 00:29:11,956
Speaker 1: we have reservations which historically like that's reserved for us,

443
00:29:12,436 --> 00:29:15,076
Speaker 1: and that land that we got to stay on like

444
00:29:15,196 --> 00:29:20,036
Speaker 1: got smaller and smaller and smaller as colonization happened. It's interesting,

445
00:29:20,156 --> 00:29:21,916
Speaker 1: you know, we've been here for a couple of days

446
00:29:21,996 --> 00:29:25,476
Speaker 1: now and we've been seeing all these like different levels

447
00:29:25,516 --> 00:29:30,636
Speaker 1: of discussion about change in Bozeman. In this region, people

448
00:29:30,636 --> 00:29:35,236
Speaker 1: are getting priced out, and yet you're from a people

449
00:29:35,316 --> 00:29:39,476
Speaker 1: who were not even priced out. Yeah, I just straight

450
00:29:39,596 --> 00:29:45,276
Speaker 1: kicked out. Bozeman is known for like a meeting place

451
00:29:45,756 --> 00:29:51,036
Speaker 1: among tribes before Bozeman was a town, and who wouldn't

452
00:29:51,036 --> 00:29:53,996
Speaker 1: want to come here? It's beautiful. It certainly is Francesca's

453
00:29:54,036 --> 00:29:57,556
Speaker 1: bringing me to Grotto Falls. Like everyone in Bozeman, she's

454
00:29:57,596 --> 00:29:59,716
Speaker 1: convinced an inventure in the woods will do my spirit

455
00:29:59,796 --> 00:30:04,436
Speaker 1: some good. I grew up in southeastern Montana, on my homeland,

456
00:30:05,316 --> 00:30:07,996
Speaker 1: and I got to spend a lot of time with

457
00:30:08,076 --> 00:30:15,396
Speaker 1: my grandmother, Evelyn Hogan Bearground. Bearground, Yes, a beautiful regal name. Yeah,

458
00:30:15,476 --> 00:30:18,156
Speaker 1: she was regal. Yes. So she grew up on the

459
00:30:18,236 --> 00:30:22,116
Speaker 1: reservation in the days where you had to ask permission

460
00:30:22,196 --> 00:30:26,076
Speaker 1: to leave. Coming here for college, I came in two

461
00:30:26,116 --> 00:30:30,556
Speaker 1: thousand and six. So even just the change from then

462
00:30:31,116 --> 00:30:33,516
Speaker 1: has been pretty crazy because when I came here, like

463
00:30:33,716 --> 00:30:36,716
Speaker 1: I didn't see much people who look like me, and

464
00:30:36,956 --> 00:30:40,556
Speaker 1: even being that this is indigenous land, so I did

465
00:30:40,636 --> 00:30:44,556
Speaker 1: feel out of place a lot going off the reservation.

466
00:30:46,236 --> 00:30:52,556
Speaker 1: Bozeman is filled with nice people and the occasional asshole.

467
00:30:57,236 --> 00:30:58,916
Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of our pride and joy.

468
00:30:59,076 --> 00:31:01,236
Speaker 1: Right here. We have a fifty yard three D range.

469
00:31:01,476 --> 00:31:04,276
Speaker 1: You can shoot a four and they look plastic, but

470
00:31:04,316 --> 00:31:07,476
Speaker 1: they're like rubberized. Yeah it's a foam. There's a baboon

471
00:31:07,636 --> 00:31:14,236
Speaker 1: right there, Yeah, looks like my xby. You know why

472
00:31:14,316 --> 00:31:16,996
Speaker 1: you need one of them? And so you appreciate the

473
00:31:17,076 --> 00:31:20,156
Speaker 1: Sega win a lot more. Bless you for thinking I'm

474
00:31:20,156 --> 00:31:22,716
Speaker 1: ever gonna get married again? Oh those little baby ram

475
00:31:22,876 --> 00:31:27,116
Speaker 1: All right, baby Ram, you're done. Good grief. That's another one.

476
00:31:27,236 --> 00:31:29,836
Speaker 1: What should I get next? Here's a little longer shot.

477
00:31:29,876 --> 00:31:33,596
Speaker 1: I don't shoot the buffalo and unlocked that arm? Here

478
00:31:33,676 --> 00:31:39,836
Speaker 1: there you go, dance looks good? Whoa, that's dead sin

479
00:31:40,276 --> 00:31:44,676
Speaker 1: look at that call everybody you know tell him you

480
00:31:44,756 --> 00:31:52,516
Speaker 1: don't move to Montana. I'm moving to Montannah. Okay. This

481
00:31:52,676 --> 00:31:56,396
Speaker 1: dude in this prime archery poster here is he married?

482
00:31:56,436 --> 00:31:59,796
Speaker 1: And how soon can I help him get divorced? I

483
00:31:59,916 --> 00:32:04,836
Speaker 1: got somebody else in mind for you. You like him? Really? Yeah? Tall? Yeah?

484
00:32:05,276 --> 00:32:12,316
Speaker 1: Like six? How tall is easy? Six? Four? Six? Five? Easy? Easy? Fiji?

485
00:32:14,236 --> 00:32:17,596
Speaker 1: What is he doing today with? Cal him up? Make

486
00:32:17,636 --> 00:32:22,476
Speaker 1: sure he's still single? I will help him through it.

487
00:32:23,156 --> 00:32:27,876
Speaker 1: Three very handsome young man? Are they grownish? Oh? Cool?

488
00:32:27,916 --> 00:32:45,076
Speaker 1: I'm not changing. Okay, be careful. We are looking at

489
00:32:45,276 --> 00:32:51,516
Speaker 1: a gorgeous waterfall. The water is just falling on the rocks.

490
00:32:51,756 --> 00:32:57,596
Speaker 1: Since not just falling, it's thriving. And then you know,

491
00:32:57,716 --> 00:32:59,436
Speaker 1: you got this kind of little cave like thing on

492
00:32:59,556 --> 00:33:07,276
Speaker 1: the side of it that's kind of cool looking. There's

493
00:33:07,316 --> 00:33:20,956
Speaker 1: one I joking. I love it here, something that in

494
00:33:21,076 --> 00:33:23,796
Speaker 1: our culture that we do when we come to the water,

495
00:33:24,556 --> 00:33:29,276
Speaker 1: as you should, bless yourself with the water. Just take

496
00:33:29,316 --> 00:33:31,836
Speaker 1: a little okay and put it on your head. Wish

497
00:33:31,876 --> 00:33:34,396
Speaker 1: for anything, or for anything, or just blust results, thankful

498
00:33:34,836 --> 00:33:38,516
Speaker 1: it exists and that you exist in the same space.

499
00:33:48,716 --> 00:33:51,356
Speaker 1: As I drive back to town, it's the golden hour.

500
00:33:52,556 --> 00:33:55,076
Speaker 1: The view from my windshield looks like a screen saver.

501
00:33:56,036 --> 00:34:02,676
Speaker 1: Green trees, blue sky, big clouds, big medicine. There's a

502
00:34:02,756 --> 00:34:05,116
Speaker 1: warm feeling in my chest like I've just woken up

503
00:34:05,236 --> 00:34:17,436
Speaker 1: fully rested. That was so good. When I pick up

504
00:34:17,516 --> 00:34:21,236
Speaker 1: d from the archery lesson, she's beaming. We make our

505
00:34:21,276 --> 00:34:23,796
Speaker 1: way home and after a quick shower of nap, we

506
00:34:23,956 --> 00:34:27,516
Speaker 1: donned the most impractical clothing in our suitcases, lavender shirt.

507
00:34:28,876 --> 00:34:30,476
Speaker 1: We might not have a dinner party to go too,

508
00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:33,676
Speaker 1: but we have plans. It's time to head to Main

509
00:34:33,756 --> 00:34:37,396
Speaker 1: Street to do exactly what Brendan gallery Walk Frances Newnham

510
00:34:38,156 --> 00:34:42,916
Speaker 1: was born to do. We're here, mister Urtwalk himself. Hey,

511
00:34:43,116 --> 00:34:45,316
Speaker 1: how's it going? Hey broad Jessica, do you know Missy?

512
00:34:45,636 --> 00:34:48,116
Speaker 1: I do? I see here on TV all the time.

513
00:34:48,396 --> 00:34:51,276
Speaker 1: Do you know Frantasca. Of course she's a legend. Well,

514
00:34:51,316 --> 00:34:53,196
Speaker 1: we're really psyched that you guys could join us for

515
00:34:53,236 --> 00:34:57,716
Speaker 1: our walk. I'm so excited to stroll around fun. Can

516
00:34:57,796 --> 00:35:00,996
Speaker 1: I ask what you're selling? We're selling t shirts for

517
00:35:01,316 --> 00:35:04,516
Speaker 1: the Green Coalition of Gay Laggers. For Jesus, it's an

518
00:35:04,636 --> 00:35:07,116
Speaker 1: organization I formed back in two thousand and nine in

519
00:35:07,236 --> 00:35:10,836
Speaker 1: response to the Tea Party. This gallery features a lot

520
00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:13,356
Speaker 1: of local artists and they do a really good job

521
00:35:13,476 --> 00:35:18,556
Speaker 1: of native representation. Lights to the bullet shotgun shells. What

522
00:35:18,676 --> 00:35:21,836
Speaker 1: are you selling my artwork? And what inspired you? Honestly,

523
00:35:21,916 --> 00:35:23,916
Speaker 1: I did because I need more money to my art supplies.

524
00:35:23,996 --> 00:35:29,236
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to convince myself that I need the

525
00:35:29,316 --> 00:35:31,396
Speaker 1: stelling part in painting so bad. Every time we hang

526
00:35:31,436 --> 00:35:33,796
Speaker 1: out with you, as we can get progressively more dropped. Yeah,

527
00:35:35,116 --> 00:35:37,356
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's not that we're alcoholics. It's just that

528
00:35:37,476 --> 00:35:39,916
Speaker 1: everything is so social. Oh my god, there's so many

529
00:35:40,276 --> 00:35:43,796
Speaker 1: just truly beautiful men here, and it's like the horny

530
00:35:43,836 --> 00:35:47,636
Speaker 1: Tour of UFA. There's boots, there's hats, there's bullos, cow

531
00:35:47,836 --> 00:35:50,836
Speaker 1: hide vests. Do you think they have a cowhide turtleneck? Oh?

532
00:35:51,316 --> 00:35:54,516
Speaker 1: The first time in Yeah, I'm in low and she's

533
00:35:54,556 --> 00:35:58,076
Speaker 1: gonna move here. I caught a fish I was I

534
00:35:58,196 --> 00:36:00,396
Speaker 1: was doing an archery lesson. I hit the bulltlight twice.

535
00:36:00,836 --> 00:36:08,476
Speaker 1: This is my place. As Bozeman's last artwalk of the

536
00:36:08,516 --> 00:36:11,516
Speaker 1: season comes to a close, we returned to our rental

537
00:36:11,556 --> 00:36:15,316
Speaker 1: truck with its payload of untouched camping supplies, the four

538
00:36:15,436 --> 00:36:18,756
Speaker 1: person tent still neatly folded in its pouch, the first

539
00:36:18,796 --> 00:36:22,836
Speaker 1: aid kids with unbroken seals. There was still one last

540
00:36:22,876 --> 00:36:29,436
Speaker 1: thing we had to do. This is so beautiful. I

541
00:36:29,476 --> 00:36:32,916
Speaker 1: can't believe we hit a full moon. It's gorgeous up here.

542
00:36:34,916 --> 00:36:36,596
Speaker 1: I do honestly feel like even just a couple of

543
00:36:36,636 --> 00:36:39,316
Speaker 1: days ago, I would have been a little spooked, but

544
00:36:39,436 --> 00:36:41,996
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you were here. It's pitch black. We're

545
00:36:42,036 --> 00:36:44,076
Speaker 1: by ourselves. Now that I know you can shoot a

546
00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:47,716
Speaker 1: boone an arrow, I feel safer as do I did

547
00:36:47,836 --> 00:36:49,396
Speaker 1: not even know that I had that in myself. And

548
00:36:49,436 --> 00:36:50,956
Speaker 1: if we get lost, you can catch us a fish.

549
00:36:51,276 --> 00:36:53,996
Speaker 1: I can't navigate with a compass yet, but I can

550
00:36:54,036 --> 00:36:59,876
Speaker 1: definitely find water and catch us fish. There was a

551
00:36:59,996 --> 00:37:04,756
Speaker 1: point when I dropped out of college. I was eighteen

552
00:37:05,236 --> 00:37:07,076
Speaker 1: and I was a little bit lost, but I wanted

553
00:37:07,116 --> 00:37:10,796
Speaker 1: to be lost and has had this romantic notion, had

554
00:37:10,836 --> 00:37:13,156
Speaker 1: read way too much Jack Carouac and lived in a

555
00:37:13,196 --> 00:37:14,836
Speaker 1: van for a couple of years trying to figure out

556
00:37:14,876 --> 00:37:17,716
Speaker 1: who I was, and then came out the Yellowstone not

557
00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:19,916
Speaker 1: far from here, and got a job and was worked

558
00:37:19,916 --> 00:37:23,236
Speaker 1: in Mammoth Hot Springs, changing beds, and then ultimately became

559
00:37:23,276 --> 00:37:27,356
Speaker 1: a waiter. Old Faithful. I'm in this dorm room with

560
00:37:27,556 --> 00:37:30,516
Speaker 1: like five adult males who were usually fighting fires, but

561
00:37:30,596 --> 00:37:32,436
Speaker 1: there were no fires that year, and they were a

562
00:37:32,476 --> 00:37:37,036
Speaker 1: pretty rough crew. One night, we were walking back from

563
00:37:37,076 --> 00:37:41,636
Speaker 1: a birthday party. One of the roommates, this guy Patrick,

564
00:37:41,836 --> 00:37:44,676
Speaker 1: revealed he had a crush on me. I was like,

565
00:37:44,796 --> 00:37:47,716
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not attracted to you, but I'm flattered,

566
00:37:48,436 --> 00:37:51,556
Speaker 1: but I didn't you know how to process that. He

567
00:37:51,716 --> 00:37:56,636
Speaker 1: was an alcoholic and depressive. Later that night, my roommates

568
00:37:56,636 --> 00:37:59,116
Speaker 1: came back and he was gone, and they're like, what

569
00:37:59,196 --> 00:38:01,716
Speaker 1: happened to Patrick? I was like, I don't know, And

570
00:38:01,876 --> 00:38:06,436
Speaker 1: it turned out he had like ran off and he

571
00:38:06,596 --> 00:38:08,796
Speaker 1: was suicidal, like he'd always talked about suicide. And it

572
00:38:08,836 --> 00:38:12,796
Speaker 1: was elk running season, so you couldn't really hike outside

573
00:38:12,836 --> 00:38:15,036
Speaker 1: Mamoth Hot Springs because the elk were just like horny

574
00:38:15,076 --> 00:38:17,116
Speaker 1: and running around with their horns, like I would be

575
00:38:17,156 --> 00:38:19,116
Speaker 1: serving dinner to people in the elk, we would just

576
00:38:19,156 --> 00:38:23,956
Speaker 1: be ripping up the earth. But I was so upset, like,

577
00:38:23,956 --> 00:38:26,836
Speaker 1: we gotta find Patrick. And this older roommate, this guy Kevin,

578
00:38:26,996 --> 00:38:29,076
Speaker 1: was like, if he's gonna do it, he's gonna do it,

579
00:38:29,276 --> 00:38:33,596
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing we can do. Woke up the next morning.

580
00:38:34,156 --> 00:38:36,996
Speaker 1: He was on his bed and his chest was all

581
00:38:37,076 --> 00:38:42,636
Speaker 1: cut up. He'd razored. He'd cut himself up. I mean,

582
00:38:42,916 --> 00:38:44,756
Speaker 1: he was just like surface cuts, but it was bloody,

583
00:38:44,876 --> 00:38:48,196
Speaker 1: you know. And he was like, I'm a coward. I

584
00:38:48,236 --> 00:38:54,236
Speaker 1: couldn't I couldn't do it. I've never encountered like something

585
00:38:54,636 --> 00:38:58,836
Speaker 1: that intense. The stakes of life were much bigger than

586
00:38:58,916 --> 00:39:04,436
Speaker 1: me just playing Jack Carowac. Those experiences the wilderness just

587
00:39:04,916 --> 00:39:08,876
Speaker 1: scared me to death, and I decided not vonta really

588
00:39:08,916 --> 00:39:19,196
Speaker 1: put myself in that place again. Um until tonight. I'm

589
00:39:20,036 --> 00:39:25,196
Speaker 1: consistently proud of you for pushing boundaries. But we we

590
00:39:25,316 --> 00:39:27,316
Speaker 1: are on a at a dog park on top of

591
00:39:27,356 --> 00:39:31,676
Speaker 1: a hill, still firmly in the Bozeman city limits. I

592
00:39:31,796 --> 00:39:35,956
Speaker 1: mean the closest road is like at least a quarter

593
00:39:36,036 --> 00:39:43,476
Speaker 1: mile away from here. Nobody, Hey, how are you? Oh

594
00:39:43,596 --> 00:39:52,636
Speaker 1: you're so cute? High, Oh my goodness? What's Oh my

595
00:39:52,716 --> 00:39:55,636
Speaker 1: goodness too? But where's your body? Where's your body? There

596
00:39:55,876 --> 00:39:59,996
Speaker 1: is um? All right? I feel like we should return

597
00:40:00,556 --> 00:40:03,796
Speaker 1: this stuff to Big Boys Toys. Maybe in another twenty

598
00:40:03,876 --> 00:40:06,116
Speaker 1: years I'll come back to Bozeman and actually go camping.

599
00:40:06,636 --> 00:40:10,116
Speaker 1: I will be full grizzly Adam's wilderness. Then secret, just

600
00:40:10,156 --> 00:40:14,036
Speaker 1: come visit me? Are you meeting easy? Later? Oh, Jim

601
00:40:14,156 --> 00:40:17,116
Speaker 1: got to come through that phone number. Never count on

602
00:40:17,156 --> 00:40:19,236
Speaker 1: another man to hook you up. They always forget the details.

603
00:40:52,836 --> 00:40:55,196
Speaker 1: The lead producer on this episode of Not Lost was

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00:40:55,356 --> 00:40:58,356
Speaker 1: Crystal du Hay. The show was also produced and written

605
00:40:58,356 --> 00:41:02,276
Speaker 1: by me Brendan Francis Newnham. Our associate producer was Jackson Musker.

606
00:41:02,716 --> 00:41:06,196
Speaker 1: Special editorial guidance came from Robert win Talk. The show

607
00:41:06,316 --> 00:41:08,716
Speaker 1: was sound designed and mixed by Crystal du Haime and

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00:41:08,876 --> 00:41:11,716
Speaker 1: matter by Hannas Brown. A big thanks to my friend

609
00:41:11,876 --> 00:41:16,036
Speaker 1: and this episode's travel partner, Danielle Henderson. If you haven't

610
00:41:16,116 --> 00:41:18,876
Speaker 1: checked out her brilliant memoir entitled The Ugly Cry, you

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00:41:18,956 --> 00:41:22,476
Speaker 1: should Not Lost as a co production of Pushkin Industries,

612
00:41:22,636 --> 00:41:27,236
Speaker 1: Topic Studios and iHeartMedia. It was developed at Topic Studios

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00:41:27,756 --> 00:41:31,676
Speaker 1: and the show's executive producers are Me Christy Gressman, Maria Zuckerman,

614
00:41:31,876 --> 00:41:36,116
Speaker 1: Lisa Langang, and Lata Mulot. Production assistants on this episode

615
00:41:36,236 --> 00:41:39,476
Speaker 1: also came from Jacob Smith, Amy Gaines and Julia Barton.

616
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Speaker 1: Our theme song was created by Alexis Georgiopolis aka ARP.

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Speaker 1: You can check out his music at Mexican Summer Records.

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Speaker 1: A big thank you to the people we met this episode.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Wood at Big Boys Toys, Grant Grigsby at trout Fitters,

620
00:41:53,156 --> 00:41:57,476
Speaker 1: Jim Smith at Extreme Performance Archery, Francesca Pine Rodriguez, and

621
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Speaker 1: Missy O'Malley now Missy Cashman her N Rich got hitched Mazeltov.

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Speaker 1: If you want to see pictures of our travels, please

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Speaker 1: head tonlosshow dot com and what would end at its

624
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Speaker 1: be without me asking you to head to Apple Podcasts

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