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Speaker 2: the show that ran forever on MTV became a cultural phenomenon,

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Speaker 2: By and so we haven't talked about where that phrase

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Speaker 3: Neve Shulman, Neve, good to see you, man. All right,

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Speaker 2: When you guys put out the documentary changed my world.

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Speaker 4: Please.

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Speaker 4: Wait, so what happened to you?

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Speaker 2: When you started doing the documentary the original Catfish, at

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was always my really my brother and

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Speaker 1: could this just got really interesting. Let's focus on this

448
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 1: and sort of see where it takes us. And so

449
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: for the next four days they filmed us going to Michigan,

450
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: meeting the family, revealing and sort of peeling back the

451
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: layers of the truth, and then subsequently they edited it,

452
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: you know, and there was a lot of digging that

453
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: went on after, because all of the emails and texts

454
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: that I had never really thought would mount to anything

455
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: were now like the sort of script for this incredible

456
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: story that they had to go back and figure out

457
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 1: how to tell. So they really did all that and

458
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: figured it out, and I was just sort of there,

459
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: kind of for the ride.

460
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 3: Was your pride herd at all?

461
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: There were definitely moments that I was embarrassed and you know,

462
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: felt dumb because after I found out the truth, and

463
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, you go back and you look at all

464
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: of these interactions and all the things that they told me,

465
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: and it seems.

466
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 4: So obvious, like how could I have believed this?

467
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: You know, And in that in those first moments, you

468
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: don't really you forget that there was this very slow, calculated,

469
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: sort of drip of information and so one drop out

470
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: a time, it doesn't seem like that crazy.

471
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 4: But then obviously, you know when when you see.

472
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: A bucket overflowing and you're like, oh my god, how

473
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: could I have been so foolish?

474
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 4: But no, I mean.

475
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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, even though a lot of

476
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: people who have seen the show in more recent years

477
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: don't even know that.

478
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 4: I was catfish.

479
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: That's what gave me the sort of street cred initially

480
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: when the show started to be like, hey, I this

481
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: happened to me. I know how you feel. You don't

482
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: have to be super like, you don't have to feel dumb,

483
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to feel naive for this. You don't

484
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: or you don't have to be dumb for this to

485
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: happen to you. And I think that's what helped people

486
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: kind of come on the show and not feel like

487
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: they were going to be made fun of.

488
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

489
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

490
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Speaker 2: Did you feel the moment in culture when that documentary

491
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: like reached a full resonation with folks.

492
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean Sundance was amazing, but that's

493
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: a very.

494
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 3: Small yeah, Like I don't see Sun Dance.

495
00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: Right, I'd never been before or after, so and I

496
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: didn't even realize it was sort of a big deal

497
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: in the film world.

498
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 4: I think, you know the doc.

499
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: And it's was successful obviously in terms of documentaries, indie documentaries,

500
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: but it really wasn't until the first season of the show.

501
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: When it premiered, it was on at eleven, so it

502
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: was kind of this little late night unknown show. But

503
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: the first few episodes did really well, and then the

504
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: Mantiteo story happened, which was insane.

505
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: Insane, and the timing was insane.

506
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 4: It was insane.

507
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because our show had come out just a

508
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: few weeks earlier, so that when the head coach at

509
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: Notre Dame gave his press conference, he referenced the show.

510
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: He was like, Mandateo was catfished, and then he said,

511
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: and if you don't know what that means, I direct

512
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: you to the MTV show Catfish. It was like the

513
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: biggest news story in the country. And he was just like,

514
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: it was like our show at the center of the headline.

515
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 4: But I so that was crazy.

516
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: And then a few weeks later SNL spoofed the show

517
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: and Adam Levine played me and that was.

518
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 3: Like, oh, that had to be so wild.

519
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 4: That was wild.

520
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.

521
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: So that those like three weeks where all that was

522
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: happening was just, you know, an experience I'll never have again.

523
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: I mean, like you, Yeah, that's a lot at once.

524
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: That's like the oddly perfect timing for all that time.

525
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a perfect storm.

526
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

527
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: I have a friend who went on Jerry Springer and

528
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: he lied about the circumstances. He went under right, he

529
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: was just doing it, and they believed him. Did you

530
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: ever find anybody was lying to you?

531
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 4: We had We had a couple, yeah, we that I

532
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 4: know of.

533
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: We we had two episodes that we discovered while we

534
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: were filming that that they were lying. One was a

535
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: story of these two girls who had been in love

536
00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: but lived on opposite coasts and knew that they were real,

537
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: but couldn't afford to make the trip. So they had said, hey,

538
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: we've been talking for years, but I think I'm getting catfished.

539
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: So that we would fly one to the other and

540
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: we discovered it and realized this is actually kind of

541
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: like charming. Let's just do it and like go with it.

542
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: So that was cute, and then the other was sort

543
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: of the opposite. We found out that this girl had,

544
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, wanted.

545
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: To like just get on the show. I guess.

546
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: So she had made up this whole story that she

547
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: had been getting catfished, and she convinced these people to

548
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: sort of be the bad guys. But then when we

549
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: went to confront them or you know, meet them for

550
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: the first time, she like really laid into them and

551
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: they started to like regret, like they don't like, wait,

552
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to come on TV to let you

553
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: make me look like a total jerk, and so they

554
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: they like act started acting weird and I could just

555
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: tell something was off, and eventually they admitted it. They

556
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, you know, she reached out to us

557
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: to see if we get on the show, but we

558
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: didn't think she was going to like make us look

559
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: so terrible.

560
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: That's funny.

561
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what had when you met your wife? I'm assuming

562
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 2: this is after yes you are yeah, yeah, and that's

563
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: an interesting conversation with somebody going on a date with right.

564
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

565
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: Well, so she had seen the documentary, and I later

566
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: learned that after she had watched the doc she was

567
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: with a friend they had I think actually the friend

568
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: had said like, oh, he's so cute, like, let's let's

569
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: find him on because you know, at the end of

570
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: the documentary it says like, I'm still on Facebook. So

571
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: they had found me, and I guess sent me a

572
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: message that I never saw, you know. But then years

573
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: later I ended up going to her office. She worked

574
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: at an ad agency and I had friends who worked there,

575
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: and so wed I had been there, she had seen

576
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: me there. I didn't know her at the time, and

577
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: then when we my on Instagram kind of strangely through

578
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: her then boyfriend who was a photographer, and I started

579
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: following her. Then I saw she followed me, and so

580
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: I DMed and asked her out, and then she said, oh,

581
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: pick me up at my job. And I immediately was like,

582
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's they I didn't tip into.

583
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: So I asked my friend, Hey, what do you know

584
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: about this girl Laura, And he's like, oh, she's a

585
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 4: hard worker. So I was like, all right, great, So

586
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: I picked her.

587
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: Up that night and real person, yeah, yeah, right, I

588
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: confirmed that she was exactly how old your oldest child,

589
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: my daughter's nine.

590
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: Did she ask questions about it yet? Not really?

591
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, she I should show her the

592
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: doc because she's now the age.

593
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: I think she's the age.

594
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: Now that Abby, the girl who I was initially talking to,

595
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: was when I started talking to her. So I think

596
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: it'd be really fun for her to see it. That's

597
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: a great idea. I'm going to watch it with her.

598
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: Oh your idea. I just asked that.

599
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I have.

600
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Speaker 2: We just had a baby, first baby. She's ten weeks old.

601
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: And now I'm thinking, like, when do I like show

602
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: her stuff.

603
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: Right, like your stuff?

604
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: No, just stuff like I wrote kids book, and I

605
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: think she's still too young to even hear the kids book.

606
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: But now my mind is like, at what point do

607
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: I start introducing these things. I have to beat her

608
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: to them before they get to her.

609
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: Sure, but yeah, I mean you don't have to worry

610
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 4: about anything getting to her.

611
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: No, nothing bad right now. I mean I've even said it.

612
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: Had done a bunch of stupid stuff, but nothing like

613
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: illegal or joicy. But it's like, you know, eventually I'm

614
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: gonna have to go like, oh that's true, here's me

615
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: saying this, here's me dancing on TV that type stuff.

616
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: Well, the biggest concern I had was when my daughter

617
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: was born, I still had a terrible tramp stamp tattoo

618
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: that I had gotten when I was seventeen, just.

619
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: Awful, like a tribal just un worse my lower.

620
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: And as the second she was born, I was like,

621
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: I cannot have my child know me with this tattoo.

622
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: So I had it removed and maybe she'll eventually one

623
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: day see a photo it, or actually if I show

624
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: or the documentary, she'll see it for that second. But

625
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: that was the best decision I ever made for a

626
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. But yeah, I know what you mean.

627
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: It's funny.

628
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never I hadn't really thought about that other

629
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: than the tattoo. But I'm, you know, for the most part,

630
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: pretty proud. The funny thing about the kids is, you know,

631
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: they're with me all the time. People come up to

632
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: me all the time and say hey and want to

633
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: take pictures, and so whenever someone comes over and like

634
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: is unsure or a little nervous, now my kids are

635
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, yeah, he's catfish like like they just

636
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: like help them, you know, because they could just tell

637
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: when someone wants to come talk to me or doesn't

638
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: know what to say.

639
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is pretty great being a dad. Pretty cool.

640
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 4: It's great.

641
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: It's what's the best part about it.

642
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's the toughest.

643
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not really the right way to say that.

644
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: It's it's the most active and encouraging sort of form

645
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: of self help that I think you can get.

646
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: What do you mean self help?

647
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: So I have many things about myself that I'd like

648
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: to improve. But you know, when you're either single or

649
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: in a relationship, there's a you know, you get a

650
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: lot of space to kind of be yourself be you know,

651
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: there's there's there's a wiggle room you can you can

652
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: avoid things, you can kind of ignore stuff. But when

653
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: you've kids, you know, at after a certain age, they

654
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: just reflect everything.

655
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: Nothing gets by them.

656
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: So every irrit every moment of irritability or short temper

657
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: or I rolls or you know, picking your nose, like

658
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: they're constantly observing you and reacting to that totally un filtered.

659
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: So you are constantly given feedback, and a lot of

660
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: it is negative. I mean, you know, just just by

661
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: the nature of the fact that like you're doing something

662
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: that your kid is reflecting on you, and you're like,

663
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't want to do that. I

664
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: don't want to say that, Like I should act better.

665
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: So it's just a really aggressive form of like self improvement.

666
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: I've never heard it said like that.

667
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense though, And it's tough,

668
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, because there's just there's some things about myself

669
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: that like I don't want to work on every day

670
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: all the time when I from when I the second

671
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: I wake up at six am, to have to like

672
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: be nice and.

673
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: Accommodating and understanding and patient.

674
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: But like you have to because if you're not, your

675
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: kids are gonna feel it. They're gonna get upset, they're

676
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: going to get impatient. They're gonna then act that way

677
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: towards you, which is gonna.

678
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: Be like it's.

679
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exhaust it's hard. But if you can you

680
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: can create a positive motion or forward positive energy, it

681
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: then comes back like it's it's you know, it's you

682
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: get exactly what you put into it.

683
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Before we started the podcast, you didn't want to hit

684
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: your microphone and you did this like pick yourself up

685
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: from the chair, pretty athletic maneuver. And I thought, I

686
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: was like, wow, pretty strong guy. But you've done eleven marathons.

687
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, am I short if I'm short? No?

688
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: No, no, I think that I think that's right.

689
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: That's what I read.

690
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 4: I don't care.

691
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: I know you're a runner.

692
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 4: I don't keep my metal. You do not like sentimental

693
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 4: about it?

694
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 3: Oh, I would be if I had one, I'd hang

695
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: in on my rearview mirror. It would never leave. Yeah,

696
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: I'd get a replica on my wife's review mirror. I'd

697
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: be everywhere.

698
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: But no, no, you've done eleven. Uh and I read

699
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: you were a guide runner. That's yeah, Now what's a

700
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: guide runner?

701
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: So there are a.

702
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Speaker 1: Lot of people athletes with disabilities, and there are a

703
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: number of organizations, but the one that I'm most involved

704
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: with is called Achilles, and they provide guides for any

705
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: athlete with any kind of disability to swim, cycle, or run.

706
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: So as a runner, a few years ago, I volunteered

707
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: to be a guide for the marathon. So they pair

708
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: you with an athlete who needs a guide. Then it

709
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: could be a wheelchair, it could be an amputee, it

710
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: could be someone with vision impairment, and you just are

711
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: there with them, either to guide them quite literally, or

712
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: to just support them or you know, the marathon is

713
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: very busy, it's hard to get to the water station,

714
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: you know, just to help them.

715
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 4: I've run with autistic runners. Everyone's different.

716
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: But now since I started doing that, there have been

717
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: very few races, if any, that I have participated in

718
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: not as a guide, because I just found that it

719
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: was exponentially more reward.

720
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: Is it so emotional when you finish?

721
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: I mean for you, yes, for sure. You know.

722
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: I've run a number of marathons quickly and it's been great.

723
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: But then last year in November, I ran the next

724
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: to marathon with a veteran who lost both legs and

725
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: that took like six and a half hours and was

726
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, you would say, oh, it must have been

727
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: like a two x sort of experience, but it was

728
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: one hundred x because going slower just allows for so

729
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: much absorption of the energy of the crowd. Because when

730
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: you're running, you know, you're you're you're running, you don't

731
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: really have time to engage. But when you stop because

732
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: he needs to stop, or you're walking because he needs

733
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: to walk, like everybody just you make so much connection

734
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: with the people clapping and cheering and every runner who

735
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: passes you because a lot of them do or like

736
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: patting you on the back and like giving you thumbs up,

737
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: and it's amazing.

738
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: Did you run before your accident? Yeah?

739
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I started running in twenty fifteen, ok, And I just

740
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: immediately loved it. And so I've run the marathon or

741
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: a marathon pretty much every year since, or in some

742
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: cases maybe more than one. And then a few years

743
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: ago or four years ago, I started guiding. And then

744
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: two years ago I had my bicycle accident.

745
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: That was only two years ago.

746
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, not even it was two years this August.

747
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: Wait, so you did the whole move here after the accident,

748
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: because they, if I remember correctly, they thought you were

749
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: going to be pair or you were a paralyzed for it.

750
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 4: I hadn't. No, I wasn't.

751
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: I wasn't, But didn't they think they were there?

752
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: The type of neck fracture that I had is nearly

753
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: always results in some paralysis.

754
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: That's what I remember reading, right.

755
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: So it was just by some you know, stroke of

756
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: luck that it didn't. I mean, I have some nerve damage,

757
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: but you know I was able to make.

758
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 4: A full recovery.

759
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: Were on a bicycle.

760
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: I was on a bicycle here in town. No, out

761
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 4: in Long Island, Okay, So what what what were you doing?

762
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Nothing that interesting? I was just actually on my way

763
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: to pick up my son from summer camp. And I

764
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly. I remember I was looking around. I

765
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: had to merge because there's no bike lanes out there,

766
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: which is something that I'm sort of trying to help improve.

767
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: And I merged into from the shoulder into the lane

768
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: of traffic. And after you know, I'd looked over my

769
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: left shoulder, and somehow when I looked back in front

770
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: of me, traffic had come to a stop in front

771
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: of me in a spot that rarely that happens. And

772
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: so I just rear ended right into the back of

773
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: this like work truck, and.

774
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.

775
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 3: This is the Bobby Cast. What do you remember next?

776
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: Next, I remember like this, the guy like laying on

777
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: the ground and like this, the amts like scissors, like

778
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: cutting my shirt open.

779
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

780
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: It must have been five or ten minutes. I don't

781
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: know how quickly the ambulance got there. But it was

782
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: weird because I immediately said, and I think this is

783
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: like the dad instinct. I immediately thought, like, I'm my

784
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: kid is waiting. Call my wife please so that she knows.

785
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: And I started to give my wife's phone number, and

786
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: the EMT was like, you already told us, So I had,

787
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: somehow in my unconscious state already I guess told them once.

788
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, unconsciously you were a good dad making

789
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: sure your kid wasn't left at school all day.

790
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: Wow, so two years ago, are you good?

791
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: Well?

792
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: The crazy thing is so.

793
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: So that was August of twenty twenty four and then,

794
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 1: and I remember I was I had I had run

795
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: as a guide with my with my now friend who's blind,

796
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: I think twice, and we were supposed to run it

797
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: together that November, and I you know, I spoke to

798
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: him a few days later and I said, like, Francesco,

799
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: you know I just broke my neck. You better find

800
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: another guide. And he said we. He said, like, look,

801
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: there's time. Let's see how you're feeling. Like I'm not

802
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: not gonna let you off the hook that easily, because

803
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, if I can run on a marathon blind,

804
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: you should be able to run one, you know, after

805
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: this accident.

806
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 3: So it seemed ridiculous, but it put the.

807
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Thought in my head that like, well, maybe I know

808
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: it's only all it's August, September, October, November, like like

809
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: I think it was ten or something weeks.

810
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 4: I was like maybe it was twelve weeks.

811
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: I was like, do you think because I was in

812
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: good shape, I was training aggressively for a race, so

813
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: I was like, well, maybe once I get this neck

814
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: brace off in six weeks, like I can do it.

815
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: And so six weeks later, the doctor cleared me, saying,

816
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: just like, your neck is healed, so go for a

817
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: run and see how it feels. So I went for

818
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: like a mile jog and it felt okay. So the

819
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: next like run, I did a little bit longer, and

820
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I can do this, and

821
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: so I ended up running the marathon with him that November.

822
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

823
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: Do you think him saying that really led to you

824
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: pushing yourself and getting healthier faster?

825
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.

826
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: I mean because.

827
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: If I hadn't had the marathon to train to get

828
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: back in shape for and a bib to run it,

829
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: like who knows how long I would have waited to

830
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: sort of start running again. So it was one hundred

831
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: percent motivating factor. And now that friend Francesca and I

832
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: are actually training to do a half iron Man in September,

833
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: so I'm training for that. Now we're making a really

834
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: cool documentary about that.

835
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: How do you I've done a couple of traps, like

836
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: a tripl How do you not the same? I'm not

837
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I understand, like you process, how do

838
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: you swim?

839
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: Swimming is just your you're tethered.

840
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: You have a strap that connects you by through you know,

841
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: by your thigh and uh, you just he just feels

842
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: the distance and kind of stays.

843
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: Hit each other.

844
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: Have you trained because you're you're you know, the rope

845
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: is long enough that as long as you're not doing

846
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: any kind of crazy, you know, kicking or whatever. We've

847
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: we've done one swim, but it was cold. It's finally

848
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: warmed up because it's hard to train in a pool

849
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: when you're like, there's not a lot of lanes that

850
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: can accommodate that. So now that the weather's warmed up,

851
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: we're going to do some some open water swims.

852
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: What about the cycling part.

853
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: That's a tandem bike, so got it right, So I

854
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: just go in front and he sits behind. That's easier

855
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: than that rope, and the running is also pretty easy.

856
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: We've done that a bunch, so really the the trickiest

857
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: part is the swim.

858
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: So a half iron Man is.

859
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: It's a it's a twenty two hundred meter swims like

860
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: one point two miles out a mile or something, and

861
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: then a fifty mile bike to fifty four or fifty

862
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: five mile ride and then a half marathon. Yeah, I mean,

863
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: I've never I've only done one sprint triathlon before I

864
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: even started running.

865
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 4: And the swim took me that like that. I'm embarrassed.

866
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: I think the swim took me like thirty or forty minutes.

867
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: The training is difficult because you've got to swim, You've

868
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: got to train with a different you have to train

869
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: a day where you swim and then get on a bike.

870
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: I know I still haven't done like a like a

871
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: swim to a cycle.

872
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: The only real panic attack I've ever had is the

873
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: first time that I did a triathlon and we're an

874
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: open water and I like an idiot because I didn't

875
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: know how to train. I swim in a pool looking

876
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: at the black line the whole time. Now I'm an

877
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: open water and they're saying, go, there's no black line.

878
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: Well you know what they do have?

879
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 2: Now?

880
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: They have these a R or a yeah AR goggles,

881
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: So there's a little screen inside.

882
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: It showed it like holds like a fake line.

883
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you you set it to where you want

884
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: to go, and then the second you start swimming, it

885
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: shows you like a degree, like crazy wild, and then

886
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: it shows you your your heart rate and it shows

887
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: you like your distance.

888
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: It's amazing.

889
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: I had people swimming over the top of me because

890
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 2: I was so freaked out. You were going like, well

891
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: at first, I was like, oh my god, I can't

892
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: I don't know where to go.

893
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

894
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: So then I started trunch holding my head up, which

895
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: is not good. And then people were kicking me, swimming

896
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: over the top of me. And then I started swimming

897
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: to the side and the boat adds a lot of distance,

898
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: and the boat came out to me and they were like,

899
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: are you okay? And I was like, I don't know.

900
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 2: I had to regather my It's the only real life

901
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: panic attack it and I finished. But that was a

902
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: moment for me where I was like, I don't know

903
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna be able to do this. Yeah, and

904
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: I feel like I can do anything. And that was

905
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: one of those moments where I was I don't know

906
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: if I'm going to be able to do this. I

907
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: should have just trained and not open water. I don't

908
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: in open water.

909
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: It's tough. Yeah, I also didn't know. Let's talk about

910
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars first.

911
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 4: Okay, great, really good? Oh, thank you.

912
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: You know you're really good.

913
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 4: Too, though, right, Yeah, I mean yes, I I think

914
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 4: I have.

915
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: A pretty high level of of sort of danceability.

916
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: Who's your partner, Jenna? Okay, it's great, you did it too. Yeah,

917
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: you're great.

918
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: You're very good too.

919
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: I won, but I wasn't good.

920
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you won.

921
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I wasn't good. There's a difference, I know.

922
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: But how could you have won if you're not good?

923
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 3: Man of the people? You were good? I was not good.

924
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: I gotta go back and want to I encourage you

925
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: not to. Actually, who was your partner, Sharna? Oh right, yeah,

926
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: she was off probably by the time you. She did

927
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: one season after we won. Okay, but Jenna is so

928
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: so she's amazing. Yeah.

929
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: Uh I thought you. I thought. I don't know. If

930
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: I were you, i'd have been really disappointed.

931
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: Oh.

932
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: Actually quite the opposite.

933
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: I love that I didn't win.

934
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: Why because who won? By the way, Uh, I'm just blanking.

935
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 4: Do you remember who?

936
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: Do you remember Caitlyn Bristow? Sorry, I just had I

937
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: just had a brain frid in Nashville. Oh my god,

938
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: seven houses down not anymore, No New York, now that's right. Yes, anyway,

939
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: Caitlyn won trained dancer. Yes, yeah, so she I think

940
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: she had a little bit of an advantage to that

941
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: in that regard. Also, I don't want to say that

942
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I just think like being the girl,

943
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: I think there's a slight advantage as a non professional

944
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: because the male does so much guiding in dancing.

945
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: So obviously Jenna was guiding me essentially.

946
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: Too, But like I think, you know, as a as

947
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: an untrained ballroom dancer, I think being the one that's

948
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: led is inherently a little bit easier. But no, I'm

949
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: not trying to not give Caitlyn her flowers. She's fantastic.

950
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: The reason that I'm happy she won is because it

951
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: makes no difference in terms of like my future, you know,

952
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: like there was nothing to gain from winning other than

953
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: I guess being invited on the tour, which I was

954
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: too busy.

955
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: I have my kids.

956
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: We were okay, right, And I'm not like that upset

957
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: about that. And what I love is that people come

958
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: up to me now all the time and say, like

959
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: you yeah, so much.

960
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 4: It's so much more fun to have people be like

961
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 4: you got robbed.

962
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, I thought both of you, because no one

963
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: would come up to being like, congrats on winning the

964
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: Mirror Ball.

965
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: I think I think they would because I get it

966
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: a lot. I mean, but I get.

967
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: All the same yeah, congratulations and appreciation, but I also

968
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: get like the fun bonus of like you got robbed.

969
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: It was the most skilled finale. There were only a

970
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: couple that I've seen that were so skilled at the

971
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: end whenever it was you really you and Kaitlyn both

972
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: and I really like Caitlin and she talked about it

973
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: like she was a dancer her whole life and then

974
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: she didn't get to dance. And but I thought, and

975
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: that was a weird season because you give COVID oh

976
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: so weird, Like there's no for me part of the

977
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: the adrenaline because there were people, and it was just

978
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: because I've.

979
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: Gone to filmings since then, and I've been in the

980
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: ballroom with the audience and the and and watching the

981
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: dances with the supporting ensemble.

982
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: I'm just like, Wow, it's a whole different thing.

983
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: But I have some some cool sort of I don't

984
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: know if it's like embargoed, but like, you know how

985
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: they're doing the new show Dancing with Stars for the

986
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: new pro pro so I was invited as an alumni.

987
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: I was invited as one of very few alumni to

988
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: participate in an episode of that show.

989
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 3: That's awesome because you're good.

990
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: You know who didn't get invited as an alumni winner, Oh,

991
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: I would have made them worse anyway.

992
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: So so I love dancing.

993
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 4: I love that show.

994
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this new series and it's it's

995
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: every time I've now been a part of that, I'm like, God,

996
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I wish I had pursued dancing, you know, because I

997
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: dance a little bit in middle school, very you know,

998
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: on you know, amateur style.

999
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: And I kind of just I wish I had gotten

1000
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: more into it.

1001
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: It's such a great experience that show. Oh my god.

1002
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: And again I have no background at all, and I

1003
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: barely have a background now after doing the show. But

1004
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: it's the people, like ninety percent of them are awesome,

1005
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: like awesome, awesome.

1006
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: We should start a post show live like reaction chat

1007
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: for this coming season for watching them. Yeah, we should

1008
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: get as many former competitors contestants together and do like

1009
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: some sort of live like stream for people to watch

1010
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: and talk like we're.

1011
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: Going to I think they'd like watching you talk about it.

1012
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 4: What do you mean why would you already have an

1013
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 4: audience people that like watching you.

1014
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: Talk, yes, not talk about dance.

1015
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: Oh well, it just a different.

1016
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: Hit the if you remember, hit YouTube later and you'll

1017
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: be like, oh, like yeah.

1018
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm if anybody ever wants to do any kind

1019
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: of dance content or or anything with me, I'm I'm.

1020
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: Ready to go. Hit me up dies your neck? Did it?

1021
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: Was?

1022
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 3: That was before the accident, right.

1023
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: My neck was a yeah? Yeah, Dancing the Stars was

1024
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 4: before Okay, yeah.

1025
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: I just I'm still amazed by the move that you

1026
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: did two years after a neck surgery where you pulled.

1027
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: Yourself up out of the chair. Just then I hit

1028
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: the microphone. But you're healthy.

1029
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, my neck healed and it also kind of

1030
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: forced me to rehabilitate not just my neck, but like

1031
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: kind of start start from scratch and like get back

1032
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: in shape in a much healthier.

1033
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 4: Way.

1034
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, do you have one of those cool realtor websites?

1035
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: No? I guess I should.

1036
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: I I don't know. Sometimes it's like, who you should

1037
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: check out this? Real estate person.

1038
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 3: They're like, I'm Dominique, and it's like.

1039
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't have that.

1040
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: I've made some fun videos to sort of you know,

1041
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: let people know I'm working in real estate now.

1042
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 4: But again, I'm I'm coming into it very humbly.

1043
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 1: I think a lot of real estate brokers are really

1044
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: selling themselves and for better or worse, really kind of

1045
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: want to be the star of their business.

1046
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: I just want to learn. I just want to I

1047
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: just want to know what I'm doing.

1048
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: And get good at it and see if I can

1049
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: actually you know, help people and enjoy it. So, you know,

1050
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: maybe again once once. It's only been like, you know,

1051
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: six months that I've been doing this, so I'm not

1052
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: ready to kind of like get out there and put

1053
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: my face on. You know, I'm not like doing.

1054
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: The bus bust up posters yet, but but maybe so

1055
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: just do one.

1056
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: Just do one?

1057
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: Ya, that's true, Okay, I can do it now.

1058
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: Final thing is, are you saying that there will be

1059
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 2: another incarnation of Catfish in some way?

1060
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 4: I certainly hope.

1061
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: So, I mean, we have a lot of ideas for

1062
00:50:55,120 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: how to kind of take the brand, the Catfish idea

1063
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: of deception, and you know, relationships and and make hopefully

1064
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of different types of shows.

1065
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: My final final question, how did the term catfish ever

1066
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: even come to be?

1067
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so in the dock, if you remember, and I

1068
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: don't want to spoil too much, but the husband of

1069
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: the woman we met, he told us this great story

1070
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: about fishermen who, you know, kind of back in the

1071
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: early days of fishing, when they would travel from I guess,

1072
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: Alaska to China catching cod along the way. They had

1073
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: these big ships with these vats in the hall, and

1074
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: they would store all the fish alive in these vats

1075
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: because you know, it was a weeks and weeks journey,

1076
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: and so they didn't have ice they could use for

1077
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: that long, so they would just keep them alive. And

1078
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: over time in these small vats, the fish would stop swimming,

1079
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: their muscle would deteriorate, and by the time they got

1080
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: where they were going, like I guess, they were less delicious,

1081
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: they were smaller whatever. So someone had the idea of

1082
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: putting some catfish in with the cod to chase them

1083
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: and keep them moving, and he equated his wife to

1084
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: those catfish. There are people in life that kind of

1085
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: nit at our fins and keep things interesting. And we

1086
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: thought it was such a beautiful analogy for without him

1087
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: even knowing how insanely accurate he was being. It was

1088
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: never meant in our minds to kind of indicate what

1089
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: I think it's become, which is like a sort of

1090
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: bottom feeder like Trickster. It was just this sort of

1091
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: beautiful concept of, Wow, there are people who think outside

1092
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: the box and kind of push the boundaries, and yeah,

1093
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: maybe they break rules, but they're also what makes life

1094
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: such a thrill and sort of so.

1095
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: Exciting, And that's why we called it that.

1096
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: Did you ever talk to do you.

1097
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: Have to talk to people that run the movie documentary?

1098
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 4: I haven't and now in a long time, but you're good.

1099
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: No.

1100
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: I actually I think about them all the time and

1101
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: would love to be in touch. I'm very reachable, And

1102
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: I think it was made clear at one point as

1103
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: the success of the show and everything was growing that

1104
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: like they wanted to not be a part of that anymore.

1105
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: Because I'd actually invited Angela the Woman to be a

1106
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: part of the show when we initially started.

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Speaker 4: It, and she said, no, thanks, but I would love

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Speaker 4: to hear how she's doing.

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Speaker 1: And I'd really love to know how Abby the Girl

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Speaker 1: who at the time was part of the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: is doing now because she's probably twenty something.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Nive, I really appreciate the time. This, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is this has been awesome. Thanks so much. And

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Speaker 3: if we're buying a place up here, I'm gonna sit

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Speaker 3: you up.

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Speaker 4: Please do if anyone is looking for if anyone than

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Speaker 4: I can help you find your next home.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.