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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's Buck Sexton from all of us in

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Speaker 1: the Clay and Buck Family.

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Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Welcome it, everybody to the Friday edition of The Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis En buck Sexton Show Play is back on us

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Speaker 1: Terra Firma, but he is tired from the jet lag

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Speaker 1: and all that, so he'll be back with us on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Just gonna be me today, just the Buckster.

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Speaker 1: And then next week the Dynamic Duo will be back

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Speaker 1: in full effect for just a few days before Turkey

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Speaker 1: Day Thanksgiving comes. I love Thanksgiving. It's a great holiday.

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Speaker 1: I think it's my number two. I'm a number one

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Speaker 1: is Christmas for me, but I think Thanksgiving goes in

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Speaker 1: my number two slot. As a Roman Catholic, I think

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to say Easter is my number one. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the spiritual significance necessarily of the holiday.

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Speaker 1: I'm just talking about fun, and Thanksgiving is a is

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Speaker 1: a fun one. I'm still yet to get any explanation

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Speaker 1: as to why we don't eat stuffing the rest of

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Speaker 1: the year. When was the last time that was not

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Speaker 1: during the Thanksgiving era, that you were in a restaurant

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Speaker 1: they had stuffing as an option? I'm sure it happens

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Speaker 1: in some places, but I have not seen it. I

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Speaker 1: don't think i've ever seen it. Actually, stuffing is an option.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, why not just put it into sandwiches

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Speaker 1: and wraps and things. It could be delicious anyway. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little hungry. We have much to discuss. You

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Speaker 1: have Trump meeting with Mom Donnie. To Mom Donnie, it's

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Speaker 1: a bit of a tongue twister sometimes, Mom Donnie. At

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Speaker 1: the White House Today, three Eastern is when the meetings

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Speaker 1: said for so will will happen right when we finish,

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Speaker 1: we will bring you what we hear from it. It's

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Speaker 1: not open to the press. I think that's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a miss. It would be really interesting to see

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Speaker 1: how it's gonna go. Trump is Trump, He's always he's

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Speaker 1: Mom Donnie, Mom Donnie, you gotta remember, for all of

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Speaker 1: his idiotic and self defeating policies, Mam Donnie is a

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Speaker 1: So that's gonna be interesting. But it's gonna happen right

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Speaker 1: so I can't bring it to you live here. I

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Speaker 1: was hoping it would happen while we were on the air,

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Speaker 1: and so we could either go right to it live

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Speaker 1: or or we could bring you some of the cuts.

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Speaker 1: But it's actually going to be right after we finish.

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Speaker 1: But Monday, when Clays back, we will certainly dive into

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Speaker 1: that with all of you.

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Speaker 2: But even the run up.

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Speaker 1: To this meeting, should we say, the Socialism Summit is

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Speaker 1: getting quite a bit of attention, and I think that

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Speaker 3: All of this.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. More Democrats are socialist, and

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about elected Democrats now, but more Democrats are

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Speaker 1: The Democrat Party is in so many ways indistinguishable from

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Speaker 1: but what about the northern European countries. They'll bring up

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Speaker 1: The House of Representatives voted this just happened this morning,

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Speaker 1: And for that city to have elected a socialist, an

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Speaker 2: That's why he has the funny accent that don't puck

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Speaker 1: That's not how they sound. I mean, honestly, very few

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Speaker 2: I was basically spot on.

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Speaker 1: So you look at the way Momdani approaches things like,

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Speaker 2: Donnie, that's really his skill set too.

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Speaker 1: He's not good, he's never run a company, he's never

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Speaker 1: A horrific story out of Chicago, and we need to

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Speaker 1: People investments are getting He's talking about investments, a woman

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Speaker 1: Here's how the New York Times writes about this man

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Speaker 1: Somebody who's like a drug addict, paranoid, schizophrenic. New York Times,

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Speaker 1: But because it's a black guy who did to a

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Speaker 1: man charge with terrorism after woman again, no description, no

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Speaker 1: federal terrorism charges. Lawrence red facing one kind of committing attack.

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Speaker 1: tenth arrest might have said, this guy has got a problem,

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Speaker 1: he's a danger with the public.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think okay for oh no,

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Speaker 2: that's too harsh.

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Speaker 1: Do you think after the twentieth arrest we could decide

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Speaker 1: that this guy's not actually about to found the next Google.

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Speaker 1: He's not actually working on his dissertation. He's not a

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Speaker 1: family man who's just trying to make ends meet. No, maybe, okay,

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Speaker 1: what about the fiftieth arrest? Five zero, the fiftieth the rest.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the prosecutor in that case and

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Speaker 1: the judge might have said to themselves, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think we have a problem. We may have a public

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Speaker 1: safety threat here. He's been arrested fifty times. But no,

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Speaker 1: they had to wait until the seventieth. The seventieth arrest.

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Speaker 1: He is a violent criminal history. Let me add that

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Speaker 1: to violent criminal history of assaulting women. So it was

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Speaker 1: on the seven you know, seventieth times a charm apparently,

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Speaker 1: where they're actually going to do something they're actually going

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Speaker 1: to take seriously. Now, all were throwing federal terrorism charges.

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Speaker 1: What so they can they can they can pretend like

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Speaker 1: they didn't miss the ball on this entirely the whole time.

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Speaker 1: You can be arrested seventy times in America and still

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Speaker 1: be out on the street. Think about that for a moment.

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Speaker 2: Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago, who's not outraged about that? No, no, no, Now.

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Speaker 1: Far more outraged about Donald Trump trying to bring in

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Speaker 1: National Guard to prevent things like this from happening to

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Speaker 1: help people feel safer on the streets. But we all

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Speaker 1: know where this comes from. We all understand this mentality.

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Speaker 1: The Democrats decided that there are too many men of

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Speaker 1: color who are in prison, and so the policy had

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Speaker 1: to change. And they couldn't get away with changing the

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Speaker 1: laws that have disproportionate impact on communities of color, like

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Speaker 1: you can't, you know, murder, steal, light people on fire.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a disproportionate impact that exists from these

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Speaker 1: criminal laws. So what do they do. They say, well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's just stop locking people up for it. We'll

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Speaker 1: arrest them, but let's you know, the prisons are too crowded.

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Speaker 1: We need to let more people out. And you can't

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Speaker 1: lock anybody up for being completely criminally insane either. We

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Speaker 1: can't take them off the streets.

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Speaker 2: We have to wait.

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Speaker 1: They can do a lot of crazy things and break

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Speaker 1: a lot of laws, but we have to wait until

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Speaker 1: they do something as heinous as any of us could

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Speaker 1: ever imagine a human being doing lighting. Think about lighting,

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Speaker 1: and this is the person on fire, and this is

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Speaker 1: also you know your case like this and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this is and then all people say, Buck, how could

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Speaker 1: you your Catholic whatever. No, this is why I say,

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Speaker 1: I think we do have to have a death penalty

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Speaker 1: in this country, and I think we have to use

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Speaker 1: it a.

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Speaker 2: Lot more, a lot more.

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Speaker 1: The criminals are not getting the message. It's not getting through.

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Speaker 1: They're not first timers who made a mistake. Oh but

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Speaker 1: you know, may Or branded all the the Chicago subways

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Speaker 1: say oh, he's going to have you know, six hundred

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Speaker 1: something murders in his city this year, but oh, the

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Speaker 1: L train is safe. It's appalling, appalling, how these leftist

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Speaker 1: ideologues with their view of crime. And I worry, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm already thinking about how this could translate to mom

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Speaker 1: Donnie in New York. Is he going to be like

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Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson. I think it's very possible. He certainly sounds

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Speaker 1: like he will. We don't know yet. But their ideology

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Speaker 1: results in horrible things happening to people. It's because they

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Speaker 1: refuse to hold individuals accountable, in large part because of

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Speaker 1: their view of racial justice in this country. They will

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Speaker 1: not hold people accountable, and people die, and people get

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Speaker 1: lit on fire, and they don't stop it, they don't change.

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Speaker 1: That's the price of doing business in their cities the

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Speaker 1: way they want to. So, as Trump is meeting with

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Speaker 1: Mom Donnie today, keep this in mind. This stuff has

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Speaker 1: consequences for real people. That has consequences for everybody in

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Speaker 1: Chicago who's got to sit there and think now.

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Speaker 2: But just like.

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Speaker 1: Everybody on the on the light rail in Charlotte after

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Speaker 1: what happened to Irena, don't worry you're safe. That's an

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Speaker 1: isolated incident. Really, I was in Taiwan. How many people

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Speaker 1: do you think have been lit on fire on the

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Speaker 1: subway of ty in Taiwan this past year, or stabbed

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Speaker 1: in the neck or punched in the face or thrown

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Speaker 1: in front of them none? Huh, it's weird, you mean,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to live in a society where criminals

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Speaker 1: get coddled and are treated like it's not their fault.

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Speaker 2: Enough is enough? All right?

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Speaker 1: This stuff gets me firedup because I've lived in cities

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Speaker 1: where this madness happens, and I'm sick of it.

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Speaker 2: And it's horrible what happens to these victims.

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Speaker 1: It's not kind to be kind to those who are

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Speaker 1: violating people and doing terrible things.

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Speaker 2: All right, Next week is Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 1: Next week is Thanksgiving. I hope you're able to be

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Speaker 2: We have a much to discuss.

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Speaker 1: So as we remember from a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats just looking to mess around and find out

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Speaker 1: with Trump. I guess they put out this video and

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, we could have just done

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Speaker 1: a whole segment or two right away with how many

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Speaker 1: of you in the military or current reformer military, how

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Speaker 1: many veterans listening were so ticked off about this? Mark

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Speaker 1: Kelly Alyssa Slotkin, who.

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Speaker 2: Again, I could say it because I was in CIA too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's a very different thing serving

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Speaker 1: the agency and serving the military. But anyway, she was

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Speaker 1: part of this video. I guess it's because they're including the.

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Speaker 2: Intelligence community in the illegal orders.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, they they may put out this video. It's

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Speaker 1: like you don't have to do war crimes. That's basically

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Speaker 1: what they were saying, right, you don't have to do

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Speaker 1: terrible things if you're ordered to do so, to which

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Speaker 1: everyone on the sane side of things immediately was saying, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: they know that, they know that. Wouldn't it be really

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Speaker 1: off putting if you sat down at Thanksgiving, at Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: dinner and one of your relatives, you know, your your

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Speaker 1: great uncle mort sat down with you and was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to murder anybody. You'd say,

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Speaker 1: Uncle mort we got it, we got it, don't worry.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: But imagine if you kind of kept yelling it at you,

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Speaker 1: you'd be like, uncle Morton needs a nap, Like something's

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Speaker 1: wrong with this guy.

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Speaker 2: We did not.

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Speaker 1: Need to hear from these individuals, and we did not

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Speaker 1: need the lecture. Now, Trump responded to this. Trump's response

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Speaker 1: to the unlawful orders was it was very, very trumpy,

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Speaker 1: And he said, I'm trying to give you the exact

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Speaker 1: verbiage here.

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Speaker 2: I remember what it was.

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Speaker 1: President Trump called a group of Democrats traders on Thursday

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Speaker 1: and suggested that they should be locked up. And then

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Speaker 1: this is the part I'm reading from this uh and

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Speaker 1: and punished with death. Here we go. Okay, here's here's

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Speaker 1: the truth social post. That is what I'm trying to find. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm quoting from Trump, not some description of it. This

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Speaker 1: is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their words

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Speaker 1: cannot be allowed to stand. Seditious behavior from traders, Lock

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Speaker 1: them up, question mark Trump posted on truth Social. He

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Speaker 1: later posted a message that said, seditious behavior punishable by death. Now,

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Speaker 1: as a matter of course, uh, you can actually be

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Speaker 1: under our federal laws, you can be.

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Speaker 2: Executed for treason.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can be executed for seditious,

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Speaker 1: sedition or citizens conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I have to check.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer, and this is federal statute stuff,

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Speaker 1: and these are federal statutes. But for treason, certainly you

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Speaker 1: can be uh. And there have been people U didn't

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Speaker 1: we Well, we executed the Rosenbergs, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg

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Speaker 1: for their nuclear espionage, and there have been some others.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: No, we didn't execute Hansen for his betrayal. Anyway, the

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Speaker 1: people have been executed for some version of betraying the country.

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Speaker 2: Treason.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is possible in the extreme circumstances. The

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Speaker 1: president also reposted several messages on the social media platform

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Speaker 1: from users attacking the lawmakers in the video, including one

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Speaker 1: user who wrote, hang them, George Washington would. In response

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Speaker 1: to Trump's post, Democrat lawmakers issued a joint statement calling

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Speaker 1: Trump's reaction telling, Okay, so now we get to have

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Speaker 1: they picked this fight over the video. Trump, They're not

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Speaker 1: going to be prosecuted for this. Trump knows that. Everybody

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Speaker 1: knows that. But he's ticked off and he let it

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Speaker 1: fly a little bit, and nothing's going to happen to

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Speaker 1: them of a legal kind.

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Speaker 2: I think what they did is disgraceful.

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Speaker 1: I think that now, okay, if somebody was sayding me buck,

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Speaker 1: but that's we should we should try to bring some

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Speaker 1: kind of a charge. Technically, all they said is what

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Speaker 1: the law says, so there is no charge that you

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Speaker 1: can bring against them. Their intent, though, the intention of

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Speaker 1: the video is to undermine the commander in chief, undermine

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Speaker 1: the chain of command, undermine the American people's trust and

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Speaker 1: faith in this military under the Trump administration. We're very

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Speaker 1: clear on what the intent is. But they're operating in

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Speaker 1: this gray area where you can say you do not

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Speaker 1: have to you know, you do not have to obey

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Speaker 1: an unlawful order. Now, to be clear, nothing Trump said,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is where he's being very trumpy

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Speaker 1: about this. Nothing Trump said violates the law either. He

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Speaker 1: just said, seditious behavior punishable by death. That is a

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Speaker 1: statement of fact. Seditious behavior can be punishable by death.

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Speaker 1: So they respond with fact, or rather they start with

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Speaker 1: facts that are intended to have a certain response. Trump

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Speaker 1: responds with the fact, which is that you can, in

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Speaker 1: fact be executed for treason, which is meant to be

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Speaker 1: a brush back pitch at these annoying Democrats. Now they

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Speaker 1: are doing what they do, running with this. Oh, all

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Speaker 1: kinds of hysteria.

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Speaker 2: Do you get do you?

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Speaker 1: I sometimes I feel like you should hear it, just

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Speaker 1: so you've heard it. But with Chuck Schumer, do I

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Speaker 1: want to put you through this?

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Speaker 3: Ah?

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Speaker 2: You know what we can eat?

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, he's he's he's having another moment. He's all upset.

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Speaker 1: This is cut one play it.

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump shared a post on truth social calling for

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Speaker 7: Democratic members of Congress to be hanged. He also posted

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Speaker 7: a message that said, seditious behavior punishable by death. Let's

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Speaker 7: be crystal clear. The president of the United States is

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Speaker 7: calling for the execution of elected officials. This is an

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Speaker 7: outright threat, and it's deadly serious. We've already seen what

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Speaker 7: happens when Donald Trump tells his followers that his political

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Speaker 7: opponents or enemies.

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Speaker 2: Of the state.

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Speaker 7: Every time Donald Trump posts things like this, he makes

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Speaker 7: political violence more likely. None of us should tolerate this

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Speaker 7: kind of behavior. We all remember what January sixth was like.

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Speaker 7: When Donald Trump uses the language of execution and treason,

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Speaker 7: some of his supporters may very well listen.

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Speaker 1: Now. Now we are being told that the risk of

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Speaker 1: political violence because of right wing rhetoric. A left wing

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Speaker 1: maniac assassinated Charlie Kirk, a left wing maniac almost stated

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Speaker 1: President Trump a left wing maniac. He shot President Trump.

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Speaker 1: A left wing maniac shot and almost assassinated Steve Scalise

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Speaker 1: in about a dozen other Republican members of Congress. Back

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen on that Alexandria baseball field, another random

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Speaker 1: maniac of the left, big you know, Slava Ukraine guy

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Speaker 1: tried to kill Trump at his golf course. As we know,

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Speaker 1: you go down this list. Conservatives can't show up at college.

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Speaker 1: Can show me one time a left wing speaker has

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Speaker 1: shown up at campus and it was conservative like the

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Speaker 1: college Republicans were throwing rocks and threats and doing crazy

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Speaker 1: things at the top.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: The political rhetoric is not equivalent on both sides, and

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Speaker 1: the political violence is not equivalent on both sides, and

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Speaker 1: efforts to pretend otherwise are simply dishonest. That's where we

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Speaker 1: just have to come down on this one. It's very

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Speaker 1: clear Senator Mark Kelly, who was in this video here,

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Speaker 1: he is trying to explain himself why was he a

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Speaker 1: part of it?

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Speaker 2: By this guy's just.

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Speaker 1: I've always been You know, this is this thing where, yes,

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Speaker 1: of course we respect the choice to make for people

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Speaker 1: to serve, but the people that used their service as

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Speaker 1: this shield of no one's allowed to criticize me. Do

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Speaker 1: you do you know that I've served, Well, we're criticizing

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Speaker 1: you in your role as a United States senator, you

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Speaker 1: know or not, we're not. You know, this is where

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Speaker 1: you see this with democrats. I'm just gonna say, you

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Speaker 1: see this with democrats. They'll find the rare democrat who

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Speaker 1: actually took some risks to their own safety in military service,

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Speaker 1: get them to run, and then anyone who criticized it.

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Speaker 1: Do you realize that I served? Yeah, we know, we know.

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Speaker 1: Here is Senator Mark Kelly cut forward play it.

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Speaker 8: He has talked about sending troops into more US cities,

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Speaker 8: talked about invoking the Insurrection Act. You don't have to

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Speaker 8: go too far back to his first administration, or in

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty, he went to his Secretary of Defense and

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Speaker 8: he asked the question. He said, can't we just shoot

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Speaker 8: these protesters in the legs? That is an example of

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Speaker 8: an illegal order if it was given. He didn't give

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Speaker 8: the order, but it's obviously rattling around in his head.

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Speaker 8: He's got these ideas, and these are dangerous ideas. What

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Speaker 8: he said today again was a dangerous idea.

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Speaker 2: And yet where does the violence come from? Democrats?

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Speaker 1: Somehow the dangerous ideas are Trump's. They call him a

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Speaker 1: Nazi all the time. They say that fascism has descended

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Speaker 1: upon America. They claim that we are Nazis, So then

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Speaker 1: violence against this is justified. That could not otherwise. Why

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Speaker 1: not say we're Stalinists, Why not say we're Maoists. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: because they like Stalinists and MAOIs because that's ideologically where

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Speaker 1: they come from. But uh, you know, there are other

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Speaker 1: terrible people out there in history.

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Speaker 2: But Nazis. We all know the Nazis.

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Speaker 1: You know, we fire bombed their cities, We unleashed devastation

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Speaker 1: on them, and it was deserved. That War's hell, they

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Speaker 1: started it, they wanted it, they got it. But we

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Speaker 1: were allowed to kill Nazis and it was a moral,

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Speaker 1: a moral act to fight against the Nazis with violence.

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Speaker 1: And therefore by calling us Nazis, they're just convincing themselves.

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Speaker 2: One, they're always morally.

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Speaker 1: In a superior position to us, no matter what the issue,

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Speaker 1: no matter what they've done, which is of course a lie,

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Speaker 1: but that's what they do.

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Speaker 2: And Two, if some of their more.

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Speaker 1: Radical elements decide to engage in violence, including assassinations of

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Speaker 1: top conservatives, including the would be assassination of the President

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Speaker 1: of the United States, well, by their own logic, aren't

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Speaker 1: they stopping a fascists? Aren't they stopping the rise of Hitler?

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Speaker 1: An they stopping Nazism? This is this is the very

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Speaker 1: dangerous way that they engage day in and day out

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Speaker 1: in political discourse in this country. And now they're gonna

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Speaker 1: lecture us because Trump didn't like this video. Please, it's

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Speaker 1: not happening it's just not it just that they don't

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Speaker 1: even they don't even make.

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Speaker 2: Us budge on it with this stuff. Oh, Mark Kelly,

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Speaker 2: give me a break.

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Speaker 1: And the others who are in the video too. It's

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to me to see the people that the

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Speaker 1: Democrats put forward as their version of like the manliest

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Speaker 1: men or the ones that no, something's off. There's always

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Speaker 1: something off, because you know, you really, you really can't

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Speaker 1: be somebody that men that you can't be a man

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Speaker 1: that other men hold in high regard in terms of

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Speaker 1: your uh, you know, the way that guys look at

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Speaker 1: each other. If you're also going to be like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I really do think we need to be transing those

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Speaker 1: twelve year olds. I really think we need to give

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Speaker 1: them the hormones and everything that no, no normal guys,

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Speaker 1: normal dudes. They see that, they go, I don't care

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Speaker 1: what plane you flew or where you flew it or

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Speaker 1: what you were doing. That's weird and you're being a

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Speaker 1: weirdo and you won't stand up to this. So you're

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Speaker 1: you know, you're Mark Kelly, you know you care so

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Speaker 1: much about the Republic. You're by the way, he's bitter

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Speaker 1: because they they talked about him as the Kamala VP

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Speaker 1: as you remember when Kamala was going to be the nominal,

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Speaker 1: When Kamala was a nominee, Mark Kelly was right right

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Speaker 1: up there.

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Speaker 2: So, uh, he's gonna run.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be in that in that

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Speaker 1: pool of people. But he's not a likable guy. He's

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Speaker 1: and Buck Show. We're joined by our friend Mike Baker.

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Speaker 1: He is my Cia brother from another mother. He is

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Speaker 1: which is doing huge numbers. Doing great stuff there, mister Baker.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Matt, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: What's gonna happen in Venezuela? Let me tell you, I

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Speaker 2: just tell me.

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Speaker 1: You want to skip to the end of the movie, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? We're blowing up these boats in

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Speaker 1: the Caribbean, the narco boats. Ven Azuela as a narco state,

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Speaker 1: which I think needs to be more part of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: The leadership there makes a lot of money off of

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Speaker 1: the export of fentanyl out of their country and into

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Speaker 1: our country, also cocaine, heroin, other stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are we doing with these strikes? You think?

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Speaker 2: And where's this going?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it is. It is fascinating, Like it's a

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Speaker 3: little bit obviously now no point intended, uncharted waters and

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Speaker 3: what are we up to above eighty individuals killed so

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Speaker 3: far as these strikes, I think, But setting aside, you know,

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Speaker 3: the legalities of all of this and just looking at

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Speaker 3: it from an operational perspective, you know, it comes down to, okay, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you believe that the intelligence is credible

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Speaker 3: and that you know the targeting is is well thought through,

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Speaker 3: do I have a problem with going after narco traffickers? No,

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Speaker 3: I don't. We spent decades, right, I was involved in

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Speaker 3: in the drug wars while I was with the agency,

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Speaker 3: spent a lot of time in counting narcotics operations in

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Speaker 3: parts of the world, and they always called it a

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Speaker 3: war on drugs, and it never really was right in

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Speaker 3: the sense that we never really had a chance to

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Speaker 3: win it. You could destroy the facility, you know, a

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Speaker 3: cooking house, a warehouse somewhere, interdict a large shipment, and

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Speaker 3: it never really impacted anything. Didn't affect the street price,

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Speaker 3: didn't affect how much gear was stored in warehouses around

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Speaker 3: the world, in part because yeah, you've got the demand issue,

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Speaker 3: and we've never been good at dealing with the demand

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Speaker 3: side of things. So now we're calling it a war

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Speaker 3: on drugs, and it is actually looking like a war

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Speaker 3: on drugs. The other part of this question is what

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Speaker 3: are we doing with Venezuela? And I have to assume

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Speaker 3: that the massive military build up in the Caribbean, which

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Speaker 3: is outsized for a counter narcotics efforts or war on drugs,

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Speaker 3: is all about putting pressure on Maduro and more importantly,

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Speaker 3: probably putting pressure on those around him to convince someone

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Speaker 3: or a group of individuals there, or advisors or military

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Speaker 3: senior officers, whomever, that it's time for Maduro to go.

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Speaker 3: So I have to assume that that is if we're

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Speaker 3: operating on two tracks here. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this part of it, Mike,

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Speaker 1: but to me, I was concerned, Okay, do we want

864
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: to be even if the side effect of let's say,

865
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: US operations against the cartels is the toppling of them,

866
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: of the Dua regime.

867
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: People worry about that regime change situation. We've seen that

868
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: go badly elsewhere.

869
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: But then I saw him Duro singing the John Lennon

870
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: song Imagine, and I was like, this guy's gotta go

871
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: because that's the worst song.

872
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: In the world.

873
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: Exactly, not only that it was the worst rendition of

874
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: the worst song ever true. So yeah, I think, look

875
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: it is Well, maybe I'll be proven wrong on this.

876
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: It is highly unlikely that we're going into Venezuela militarily too,

877
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: in a direct conflict with the Venezuelan government and military

878
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: to oust Maduro. Right, So I think the hope for

879
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 3: scenario again is this pressure campaign. He probably won't leave

880
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: on his own volition, but others may convince him that

881
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 3: that's the only thing he can do. So you look

882
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: at that and you say, okay, fine, you're right. Regime

883
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 3: change is a very ugly thing. But this is not

884
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: This is not Libya, not Iraq in the sense that

885
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: I'm not calling for regime change. What I'm saying is

886
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 3: they're not apples to apples, Right, So you've got a

887
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: legitimate opposition government that's sitting out there Maduro, and you know, everybody,

888
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 3: even people on the left, we are going to have

889
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 3: to look at this and go, yeah, the evidence shows

890
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: that Maduro stole that election outright, So you do have

891
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: an opposition in waiting now, whether you know, there's a

892
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: sense of survivability on the part of the senior military

893
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: there in Venezuela and they say, okay, now it's time

894
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 3: to work with the opposition because we want to save

895
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: our own asses. I don't think a transition necessarily would

896
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: be a you know, sort of this ugly scene that

897
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: we've seen elsewhere played out sometimes when you get regime

898
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: change and then it just all heads south.

899
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: So we've got this Operation Southern Spear is the name

900
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: of it. A build up of American names force is

901
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: in the Caribbean, the largest since the Cuban Missile crisis

902
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: and the blockade of Cuba in nineteen sixty two. The

903
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: gerald Ford aircraft carrier is now in the Caribbean, which

904
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: I think is our biggest carrier. It is fifteen thousand

905
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: troops in the region. You know, Marco Rubio has a well,

906
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna say he has a large role. He has

907
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: many large roles.

908
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: Actually in this administration he has more than one role.

909
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: But he is a I think, a dedicated anti communist

910
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: in the best sense, and that includes the regime in Cuba.

911
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: If we do get a major, let's say the major

912
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: regime instead toppling makes it sound like we did it.

913
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: What if it implodes, What if it crumbles and is

914
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: no longer in a position or no longer willing to

915
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: subsidize the Cuban government with a whole lot of oil

916
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: without which Cuba is basically screwed. Feels like there's a

917
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: chance for a two for one here, Mike, look at that.

918
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: It's a Black Friday sale. Yeah, you know, it could happen.

919
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right to point out this is not

920
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: happening in a bubble, meaning it's not just Venezuela and US,

921
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: you know, staring each other down. Russia in China certainly, Cue,

922
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: but they've all got a stake in this, right, and

923
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: and even Iran, right Madurell has been you know, been

924
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: turning to Iran even for you know, hope, for support,

925
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: trying to say, look at this with the imperialist dogs

926
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: are doing to you. Uh so there are other people

927
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: that play here. When when folks talk about, you know,

928
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: the US is doing this simply for Venezuela's resources, Okay,

929
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 3: that's that old trope that we always get right. Oh

930
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: they're they're moving into a rock because of the oil.

931
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: They're doing that. Oh God, you know you hear that

932
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 3: one more time. I Mean, I've had conversations recently where,

933
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: you know, some a couple of people, very intelligent people,

934
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: but they were completely convinced that this you know, cartel

935
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: of the suns that keeps getting referred to as the

936
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: kind of the pseudo organization that exists as a narco

937
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: trafficking network, you know, sponsored by the state in Venezuela,

938
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 3: that was a product of creation from the CIA.

939
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Right.

940
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: I had to listen to a conversation about that, and

941
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: again from smart people. But you get these these things

942
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 3: to get rolled out and you look and you think, okay,

943
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: is there even any reason to respond to that, right,

944
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: because you just give it credibility.

945
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: So but I do, well, I always I always have

946
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: to point out to people, Mike that you know, people

947
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: who who get into this lane, they.

948
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: Can either either the CIA is.

949
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: A bunch of Machiavellian geniuses that can do anything anywhere

950
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: in the world whenever they want, or they're completely useless

951
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: and incompetent. They can't have both though, right, Like, they

952
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: can't be super geniuses who could do anything anywhere and

953
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: they're totally worthless. Because I've heard that from people, I'm like,

954
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: I think those things go in contradiction.

955
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they do, they do. And but usually what

956
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: I hear is that, yeah, somehow the CIA is responsible

957
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: for everything, and and you know, but it's always and

958
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: then you know, typically followed backfilled by the idea that

959
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: you know, the US should not ever do anything ever.

960
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 3: You know, overseas, we have no right to do anything anywhere,

961
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: and you know, somehow then we would just have this

962
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: peaceful community of nations. And you know, anyhow, I don't

963
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: want to disappear down that that rabbit hole, but I

964
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: guess I was about to. But yeah, the problem with

965
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: with Venezuela is that you do have other players there.

966
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 3: The Russians have a big stake and in this they

967
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: don't want to see this turn. You know, they certainly

968
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: would at this time when they're losing influence in a

969
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: variety of ways. You know, the idea that they would

970
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: lose an important foothold in our backyard doesn't sit well

971
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: with putin. China's then playing out there purely for their

972
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: own self interest in terms of getting their hands on

973
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: the resources, like we get accused of, but nobody ever

974
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 3: mentions that about the Chinese regime. So there's a lot

975
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: of play here. I just don't think that what we're

976
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 3: looking at, And again maybe I'll be proven wrong, but

977
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: I don't believe the White House strategy it's going to

978
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: be to put the military into Venezuela for a direct

979
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: conflict with the government in the military.

980
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: One thing, I'm gonna do a little bit of a

981
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: pivoty here, Mike you I for anyone's seening you on

982
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: Fox or your podcast, the PDB podcast, which is fantastic

983
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: and people should go check it out. You look like

984
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: what I think a lot of people think a secret

985
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: agent man looks like. And you've got the square jaw,

986
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: all American. You know, you're you're a manly man. And

987
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: the American young men, or rather American young men, are

988
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: increasingly wanting people, or they want the society around them

989
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: to stop making them feel like being a man is

990
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: a bad thing. The Democrats are unable to reach these

991
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: young men because of the way they've.

992
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: Talked about toxic masculinity and all this stuff.

993
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: Pete Hegsett has gone into the Pentagon and has really

994
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: just refocused on war fighting and also, let's be honest,

995
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: the kind of on a bashed masculinity in the way

996
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: we fight wars. Is there a way to make the

997
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: CIA badass or at least less uh, you know, less

998
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: sort of smarmy bureaucrat than it is right now? I'm

999
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: wondering how you feel about that, because we could use

1000
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: some help.

1001
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you know, well, I mean, look, you know

1002
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: this as well. You know better than I do that

1003
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: the Agency is a is a real mix, right. You've

1004
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: got all sorts of folks, you know, banging around the

1005
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: corridors there and then our places overseas, and you know, look,

1006
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: it takes all types. But I agree one hundred percent

1007
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: with the idea that we need to we need to

1008
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: be focused with a risk. The agency is a risk

1009
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: taking organization, so damn it, we should act like one,

1010
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: and we we don't need but the Directorate of the Administration

1011
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: plays an important role. It's a very important directorate, right.

1012
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: I know a lot of good people there. They keep

1013
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: the trains running on time, they do a lot of things.

1014
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: But but you know, we kind of disappeared down the

1015
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: same rabbit hole that a lot of bureaucracies did over

1016
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: the past handful of years, imagining somehow that we we

1017
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: were like a corporate culture. And that's that's not helpful

1018
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: to to a risk taking organization. So yeah, I'm trying

1019
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: to be a little bit delicate. I have I you know,

1020
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: I have a lot of good friends over there, and

1021
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 3: I know summer on kind of both sides of this issue,

1022
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: and I get it. But I would like to see

1023
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: a return to a real risk taking mindset. You know

1024
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: what it's like, right, I mean we were there.

1025
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's critical for morale.

1026
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you can make if you

1027
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: can make all this money, then if you can come

1028
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: out of school and make you know, two hundred and

1029
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: three hundred grand at Google, Like why why go work

1030
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: at Langley if you're going to be like lectured and

1031
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: hounded over DEI nonsense and like trends identification day all

1032
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: the time. I mean that's what I hear from the

1033
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: people over there.

1034
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you got to get you got to move

1035
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: that out right. And again I keep going back to

1036
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: the same thing. Look, we saw cycles, right. If you

1037
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: if you get your ass kicked up on Capitol Hill

1038
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: because an operation or a direction that you're going in

1039
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: goes bad, then suddenly you know that risk versus gain

1040
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 3: calculation recalibrates, and then you get a period of time

1041
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: where management doesn't want to put their head over the

1042
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: wall because they don't want to get their ass kicked

1043
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: again up on Capitol Hill, and so you don't take

1044
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: the risks, right, and then eventually that recalibrates because the

1045
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: world requires it you know some issues somewhere means you

1046
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 3: got to get back on tracks.

1047
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: Well, basically, Mike, we're going to need you to be

1048
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,959
Speaker 1: the Pete Hegsath of the CIA. But that's a whole

1049
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: other we'll have you back for that conversation. But you

1050
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: got to go in there and crack some skulls and

1051
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: kick some masses and make make spies great again. But

1052
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: Mike Baker, everybody go check.

1053
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: Out to that effect, write a note to that effect,

1054
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: send it to the White House, and I'd be happy

1055
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: to pack my role.

1056
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: I'll let them know.

1057
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: I'll let them know, Mike Baker. Everybody go check out

1058
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: the PDV podcast. Mike, Mike, thank you so much.

1059
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,800
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1060
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,120
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Speaker 1: and fees non included. Some restrictions apply.