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Speaker 1: Hi Amber, Hi Lola. Welcome to an Unlikely Affair.

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Speaker 2: All right, hello everybody, welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 2: The Unlikely Affair. I'm sitting the right or actually I'm

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Speaker 2: sitting to the left.

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Speaker 1: You're to my right of your right hand today, baby,

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Speaker 1: yeah you are.

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Speaker 2: And I'm so excited for this podcast. Today we are

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Speaker 2: here with Amy and TJ. Hi, guys, Hello, happy to

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Speaker 2: be here.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. It's a nice setup. This is great.

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Speaker 3: This is what it's like to be on you guys podcast.

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Speaker 3: We will come all the time, don't us.

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Speaker 1: With a good time. This is lovely. Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: We're at our Unlikely Affair party, and we were talking

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Speaker 1: at this round table, which, by the way, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for coming. I know you guys, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Blew in and had like the longest day. But Amy

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Speaker 1: said to us, you guys have such a crazy story.

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Speaker 1: I was like, so do you We we should talk about it.

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Speaker 4: That takes one to know one.

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Speaker 1: So we're very excited to have you guys on.

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Speaker 3: That was last night in thet another thing that party.

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Speaker 3: We found each other and it looked like all of

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Speaker 3: us were trying to find the exit at the end

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Speaker 3: of it. You all called us and we were trying

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Speaker 3: to leave. We called yoah and everybody was ready to go.

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Speaker 2: And I think I said, you guys should probably leave now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We took the hint.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, you guys have been up and

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Speaker 2: you have to wake up at one thirty in the

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Speaker 2: morning like you.

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Speaker 1: Mama Bear came out and said, Okay.

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Speaker 4: That's funny, but yes, that was good advice and we

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Speaker 4: took it.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled that you did, because I mean, I you

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Speaker 1: both have children older. How old are your kids even?

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Speaker 4: I have a twenty three year old daughter and a

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Speaker 4: nineteen year old daughter.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and we have the My little one is twelve.

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Speaker 4: Okay, sheep saying twelve. She just turned thirteen in.

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Speaker 1: Jayeary wow, Oh my gosh. I know part of my language,

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Speaker 1: but bit you look good, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I will take that language do Yeah. And you know

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Speaker 4: what's cool because I know you all have some shared

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Speaker 4: children experiences. We'll get into that, but we my daughters

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Speaker 4: grew up baby sitting sabine, so they all knew each

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Speaker 4: other very well before we even became romantically involved. Let's

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Speaker 4: start from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Let's start from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: What the beginning.

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Speaker 4: We actually aren't sure.

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Speaker 1: It's a little foggy, doesn't it kind of even disassociated.

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Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know. I'm not claiming I can

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Speaker 4: Tell me to do that.

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Speaker 1: We have that.

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Speaker 4: Experience for sure.

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Speaker 1: So you you said this is the third go around

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Speaker 1: for you both, you're correct, Yes, okay, Well third time

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Speaker 1: is the charm. My dad always said he only made

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Speaker 1: it to a second wife. So I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how it feels about that. And you said

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Speaker 1: that your kids grew up watching your child. I have

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Speaker 1: to imagine then that you guys knew each other's spouses

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Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We I mean, you just naturally have to. But there

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Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of We didn't spend a lot of

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Speaker 4: There was no relationship with the others spouses at the

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Speaker 4: time at all. We would run into each other, I

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Speaker 4: would say, maybe in the span of the eight years

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Speaker 4: that we were just friends. I bet you we crossed

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Speaker 4: paths at social functions. I could count on one hand.

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Speaker 4: That's how little people made a lot more about like,

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Speaker 4: oh somehow we were all we were not TJ and

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Speaker 4: I were always the friends.

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Speaker 3: And to your point, about the wondering about the kids.

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Speaker 3: Her kids would just come over and babysit. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: when they started babysitting.

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Speaker 4: My kids were teenagers, and so it worked out.

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Speaker 1: Here you go, were you at ABC together?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so just okay, that makes sense, and you know that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like there are times where you.

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Speaker 1: And again I've I can count on one hand how

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Speaker 1: leaned in that direction. But the friendship part and then

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Speaker 1: the comfortability I find is when shit gets real. Obviously

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we just you know what, We were two people

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Speaker 4: You know, when you have to make small talk with

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Speaker 4: Because we just got each other. We love just hanging

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Speaker 4: and we knew we could trust each other. On the air,

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Speaker 4: and that's very rare in media. Usually people are trying

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Speaker 4: So if you've got two people on a story, it

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Speaker 4: oftentimes becomes competitive. Wow, and he and I never had that.

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Speaker 4: And it was just such a rare chemistry that we

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Speaker 4: each other, which is also I think kind of rare

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Speaker 4: sometimes in the business we were in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure at some point both of you

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Speaker 2: guys closed and said, you know, like, Wow, that person

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Speaker 2: just makes me feel like myself or I feel so like,

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Speaker 2: did you consciously recognize the difference you felt when, say,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, dear lady, we were begging and pleading

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Speaker 3: with them to let us work together like we were

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Speaker 3: please please, will you all please allow us to work

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Speaker 3: because we became I would say, in the last three

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Speaker 3: years at least before we started dating, we were best.

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Speaker 3: We were each other's best friend, like legit best friend.

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Speaker 3: She helped me through some of the worst hell, I've

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Speaker 3: gone through in my life as a friend and got

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Speaker 3: was there now, and we didn't realize how how valuable

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Speaker 3: that was in a relationship because I've never had that

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Speaker 3: before we even start dating. I said, sweetheart, this, I

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Speaker 3: cannot lose our friendship. So we have to make a

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Speaker 3: decision now if we're gonna date, I cannot lose you

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Speaker 3: as a friend. So if you think this is going

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Speaker 3: to cost us the friendship, I don't want to date you.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely had that conversation. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's so important to be friends first. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's what I'm realizing now going out and dating.

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Speaker 1: I think I told you this before.

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Speaker 2: It is like I go out and I look at

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Speaker 1: Can I actually be friends with this person? Not romantically?

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Speaker 2: Can I just can we be best friends? Do I

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Speaker 2: see that like comfortability with each other? And I realize

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Speaker 2: it's so important. It sounds like you guys have that

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Speaker 3: What's the thing you like, what's the thing you like

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: We eat, we go to movies, we watch netflixs you

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Speaker 3: who do you want to do that with and not

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Speaker 1: There's a huge problem.

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Speaker 3: That should be the number. All that stuff, a basketball

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Speaker 3: And yes there are moments for that, but all the

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Speaker 3: best fun, adventure, vacation, you name it, get drunk off

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Speaker 3: do you want there? It's her. That's a friend thing.

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Speaker 3: That's not a romantic thing. I want my friend there.

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Speaker 1: And it's true. Right now I'm sitting going, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: I don't think people believed us, and I think it's

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Speaker 4: absolutely not. It was the truth. We were just friends

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Speaker 4: than my friend. It just I was in that lane.

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Speaker 4: That was just where I was, and so I was bifurcating.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't even acknowledging how important that friendship was. And

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Speaker 4: I did know that in other relationships I never had that,

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Speaker 4: it took us a little while. It was weird at first.

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Speaker 4: We were such good friends. It was weird. I think

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Speaker 4: the first time I brushed my teeth in front of him,

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Speaker 4: time in there. But it's like, we're just friends who hang.

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Speaker 4: This is way too intimating right right. And there was

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Speaker 4: So we had such an emotional connection where there was

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Speaker 4: I this is strange.

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Speaker 1: Was there? Were you intimidated by that? Because sometimes when

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Speaker 1: you have such a beautiful thing happening and you're like,

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Speaker 1: now I got to perform in the bedroom.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and now he's got to see me naked, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: is he gonna still feel the same?

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Speaker 1: That's super vulnerable.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm in my late forties at the time.

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Speaker 1: So how are you feeling, TJ? Were you worried or

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Speaker 1: you're like, I'm ready to go. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: look a look because matter just they're not sitting there

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Speaker 1: and being like, I wonder how she's gonna feel about.

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Speaker 4: This whole time? Does he see that?

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Speaker 1: Do you notice that my left boom drinks more than

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Speaker 1: my right?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That could be that could.

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Speaker 4: Be a deal breaker, exactly exactly. Well, No, I didn't

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Speaker 4: have that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe you said, guys, just don't think

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Speaker 4: We know that, and we know you do.

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Speaker 1: You know better than anybody. But it is very hard

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Speaker 1: I hey, I'm I think you're both great, but I'm

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Speaker 2: Day after that, after all of these headlines, how did

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Speaker 3: I think it had to be. I met God. I

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Speaker 4: Yes it does, because I think they would individually go

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Speaker 4: Really, I'll tell you an interesting story. I know you

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Speaker 4: you got your picture, please leave, like this isn't fair.

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Speaker 4: I told her, I was like, you just learned what

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Speaker 4: We didn't have the opportunity to. We were blind here, you.

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Speaker 3: Look, you asked about our daughter or my daughter, how

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Speaker 4: Is it extortion? It was it was black They want it.

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Speaker 4: But it was intentional.

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Speaker 1: Was the plan to get you too off the air.

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Speaker 3: The plan was to humiliate and possibly yes, to get

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Speaker 1: How that is? How do you stomach that? I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yes, I will say this I had never before TJ. TJ,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was we were finally healthy and happy. As

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Speaker 1: Found you found your other one hundred percent to make

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Speaker 4: was so intentional. We had so many conversations. We had

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00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 4: to acknowledge that we were feeling a certain way about

443
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 4: each other and then say what are we going to

444
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 4: do about it? And then we said, we both have

445
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 4: to go back and figure out what we're doing. We

446
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 4: have to we have to move forward in a respectful,

447
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 4: correct way. And that is how we managed everything. And

448
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 4: we actually, I wanted to be able to look in

449
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 4: the mirror and say we did the right thing we

450
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 4: did right by everyone, and so to have been managing

451
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 4: all of that and dealing with divorce. I knew this

452
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 4: was going to be difficult for my children, and we

453
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 4: knew it was going to be difficult for Teach's child.

454
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 4: But I told myself, if you knew your cancer came back,

455
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 4: and I have I have a friend who I watch

456
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 4: fight every day and live her best life because no

457
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 4: one is guaranteed tomorrow. But when you've gone through cancer,

458
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 4: you know it can come back, that threat of recurrence.

459
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 4: And I thought, if I walked in for my blood

460
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 4: test and they said it's back, how would you live differently?

461
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 4: What would you do? And I was like, I would

462
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 4: be with tj oh an impact on the decision that

463
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 4: we made, because it's hard. It's hard to make all

464
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 4: the choices that we made, but we were trying to

465
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 4: do the right thing and live our best lives and

466
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 4: show our daughters that you can be happy and you

467
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 4: can do it the right way.

468
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 3: For those decisions, it's it's great. Those decisions were made

469
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 3: after we both had made individual decisions to get divorced.

470
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: I didn't know her divorce was going to happen. She

471
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 3: didn't know mine was gonna happen. No, wow, though she

472
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: didn't know. That was no planning. Okay, you go first,

473
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 3: and then I'm we.

474
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 4: Didn't know we were gonna be together.

475
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get out of a marriage for

476
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 3: the sake of maybe I'll start dating.

477
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 1: I really want what you guys have. Yeah, and I

478
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: didn't think I did. I had sworn off men. I

479
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to be single for the rest

480
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: of my life. They add so much drama.

481
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 4: And I don't know.

482
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 3: I don't as far as I don't know if we

483
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 3: got lucky. I don't know. I really really don't. The

484
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: advice I give to people now is it's okay to

485
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,719
Speaker 3: find out, Like figure it out now, it's okay, Like

486
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 3: why are we wasting time with something you know is

487
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 3: not going to work out? It's okay to just my

488
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 3: mom just told me it's better to find out in

489
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: five months and five years. That's some of the best

490
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: advice I've ever got.

491
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: That is genius advice, something so simple, it is so profound.

492
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: I was in college, it's better find out now that cry.

493
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: Don't cry long, but go ahead. Congratulations you got out

494
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: of that shit.

495
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can tell when you guys are together.

496
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: It seems very effortless.

497
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: That's friendship.

498
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: Man.

499
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 4: We just know each other.

500
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: I feel it.

501
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: You guys don't even have to say anything.

502
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: You guys know each other. But I will tell you

503
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 4: that year, and again this is not me being dramatic.

504
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 4: That year twenty twenty two going into twenty twenty three,

505
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 4: that was That was the hardest year of my life,

506
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 4: including the year I went to chemo, had multiple surgeries,

507
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 4: had the breast cancer diagnosis. That year, that assault, that

508
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: emotional assault, the assault on our reputations, on our credibility.

509
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 4: That was the hardest year of my life. Because our daughters,

510
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 4: even and mine, were older, so I think it was

511
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 4: more difficult because they were more aware. My youngest was

512
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 4: in high school, my oldest had just started NYU. They're

513
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: walking past the New York Post, They're walking past these tabloids.

514
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: They see the headlines, they hear everyone talking and social media.

515
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: They were devastated. They were devastated, they were hurt. And

516
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 4: we had not told our daughters. We say that was

517
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: our biggest mistake of not being transparent about our relationship

518
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: with our children. We just I wanted to give them

519
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 4: a little bit more time. You know they were getting

520
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: used to the new normal. Anna, Lisa and I were

521
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 4: living alone together in our new apartment. Ava had her

522
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 4: apartment at NYU. But I just wanted them to get

523
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 4: settled for a few months. And I think that's fair,

524
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: that's our right as private people to be able to

525
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 4: give our kids a couple months to breathe before we

526
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 4: said hey, by the way, And because they knew TJ

527
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 4: and Sabine knew me and we all knew each other,

528
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 4: I was just like, let's just give them a little

529
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 4: bit of time to get used to this new normal.

530
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 4: And that's really why we were trying, for our kid's sake,

531
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 4: to keep it quiet, just for a little bit, to

532
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 4: give them space because they were in the middle of divorces.

533
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: Also, why are we making an announced Please keep in

534
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: mind here, we didn't know we were going to end

535
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: up together. There was no reason for us to make

536
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: an announcement that we were dating, because it's like a

537
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: why are we hard launching a month in? There was

538
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: no reason for that, right right.

539
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: We're still figuring it out, we're finding our groundwork.

540
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: And Yea also hadn't made announcements about our divorces. We

541
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: this is the other mistake. Yeah, we didn't realize that. Apparently,

542
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: as public figures, people give a shit need to hear

543
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 3: about everything going on in your life. So if we

544
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: didn't have made an announcement that she was getting a

545
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: divorced and my vote, divorce came later and people found

546
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: out two months later, they're dating.

547
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, Yeah, it doesn't count because you didn't let

548
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: all of.

549
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 4: Us know exactly, even though even though yes, the people

550
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: who were important in my life already knew. I mean,

551
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 4: I had I had draft, I thought my divorce was

552
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 4: going to be finalized by December. It was quick, it

553
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: was ready to go. We had lawyers, every thing was done.

554
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 4: I think you had lawyers too at the time. Yeah,

555
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: of course, we go through the divorce with months. The

556
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 4: frustrating thing about what ended up happening to us professionally

557
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 4: was that it was it. It took it. We could

558
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: prove it. Not that we had to, but we could.

559
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: We could easily prove, like, hello, we're not in this

560
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: affair cheating on our care spouses. We actually have the proof.

561
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: You want to talk to my divorce attorney. Do you

562
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: want to talk about when I hired her? It was

563
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: not even a question we had you were living in

564
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 4: another apartment. I mean it was I was moving. The

565
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 4: day it came out was the day Annie and I

566
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: were moving into our new apartment with all the paparazzi changing. So,

567
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: I mean it everything was scheduled and happening. It wasn't

568
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 4: like it happened because we got photographed together. Everything was

569
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: already like far along in the proceedings.

570
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: It's just someone, Yeah, someone was out out to get you. Yes,

571
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, I just hearing you say that, Amy.

572
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: I just realized we are so focused on the wrong

573
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: things in this country. And I know, I'm I will

574
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: speak for myself only it's just so twisted. There's so

575
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: many criminals and with all the Epstein file shit that's

576
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: going on, and all of the political I mean everything

577
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: that's going on, not in in within the United States,

578
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: in the world, and they choose to focus on two

579
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: people that are with children trying to get their lives together.

580
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: You guys were trying to do right and then you

581
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: get you get fired, you get fired, bye bye by

582
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: It's just.

583
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: What was that? What was that like when they brought

584
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: you guys in, did they bring you in together separate, seately,

585
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: they probably had to.

586
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 4: It was a Friday night. I got called to the

587
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 4: Empire Hotel. Who did you you went somewhere else? They

588
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: had Did you know what was what was coming? No,

589
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: because when they pulled us apart actually on Friday and

590
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: had us talk and they asked us very specific questions

591
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: about the timeline everything. They then told us we're gonna

592
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: support you. Like I left Friday night, do we have

593
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 4: a job you? I didn't hear that. I did I

594
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: I heard? I said, what do you think? They're like,

595
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 4: look everything, it sounds like this is fine, Like we

596
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: wish you had told us ahead of time, but we

597
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 4: understand now things are making sense. And then so I

598
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: was like cool, and we were supposed to be on

599
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: the air, and we had been on the air after

600
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: it happened, I think on a Wednesday, came out.

601
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: Can I ask one thing very quickly? So the person

602
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: who were obviously not saying their name, the person who

603
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: you feel was blackmailing or out to get you, had

604
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the news channel.

605
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 4: Correct, got it? Okay, keep going? It was correct. So

606
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: we actually were back on the air for the first

607
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: two days. We had phone calls with people at ABC

608
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: and they they at the time were like, you know what,

609
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: You're right, You've technically done nothing wrong. You're in the

610
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 4: middle of divorces, your your own you know, private citizen.

611
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: What you do on your own time is what you

612
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: do on your own time. And so I felt pretty

613
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 4: confident that we were good. We came back Thursday and Friday.

614
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: Then night they took us and had us do some

615
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: more investigative questioning. Right, so we were like, okay, but

616
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: it all went well as far as my experience went,

617
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: how did you.

618
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: Oh, it was fine, But I didn't walk out of

619
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: their feeling I had support of any kind.

620
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: You didn't feel supported at all? You left feeling supported?

621
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: I did?

622
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: Oh.

623
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Not.

624
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: In the there was never a moment from the time

625
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: that article came out that I felt support from ABC

626
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: or Disney. That's so interesting, not once from anybody. Now.

627
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: They're not supposed to I'm not This is not a criticism.

628
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is they're looking out for ABC, they're

629
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: looking out for GMA, they're looking out for their brand,

630
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: they're looking out for shareholder, they're looking out. Fine, they're

631
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: supposed to not support me, But it was pretty shocking

632
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: how quickly that nobody even asked, well, what's going on

633
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: or what happened or how are you doing? There was none.

634
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: It was soom, why are they.

635
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: Not supposed to support you? You didn't do anything wrong.

636
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: But no, I get it. It's a big business, it's

637
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: a big machine.

638
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: Yes, at the end of the day, when they love you,

639
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: they love you. But when you no longer serve your purpose, goodbye.

640
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: But again, see that's the thing. We were serving a

641
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: great purpose. But Twitter was talking about us in a

642
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: way that Disney didn't like it.

643
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: So you okay, well there you go.

644
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: The frustrating thing, though, is if if I and I

645
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: believe this, if ABC and Disney had been able to

646
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: say and by the way we both look and I'm

647
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: not I'm not naive enough to think, oh I was

648
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: so loyal to them, they should be loyal to me.

649
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: But we were their go to workhorses who would fly anywhere,

650
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: go anywhere. I didn't miss one day while I was

651
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: on Chemo. I we loved that job, we loved that company,

652
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: we loved that show and we still do. And so

653
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: I felt like, and this is my naive part, that

654
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: we had the receipts we could prove that we did

655
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: nothing wrong. So I was of the belief, well, the

656
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: truth is on our side, so we're gonna be okay. Right,

657
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: Something happened over the weekend and Monday morning I was

658
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 4: we were getting up to go into work, get a call.

659
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: Don't come into work. We're taking you off the air

660
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 4: while we effective immediate investigate. This isn't you being fired.

661
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: This is just us giving it a beat. Lets it

662
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: die down. I said, please, don't do this, because at

663
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 4: that point only the tabloids had reported it. The New

664
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: York Times, the Washington Posts, any reputable organization had not

665
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 4: reported on it because it was just it was it

666
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: was fun.

667
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: Let us say this that weekend. After the thing went down,

668
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: we went on the air two days that weekend. We

669
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: spent the weekend with crisis managers on the phone with

670
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: a lot of news outlets, and the mainstream news outlets

671
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: refused to do the story.

672
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: Because it felt smucky because.

673
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: You're getting divorced and now you're dating. Okay, who gives

674
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: a fuck?

675
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Right right?

676
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 4: Irrelevance all passed.

677
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: TMZ loved it, though, I'm sure you know.

678
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: They all passed.

679
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: As soon as a network now has suspended to anchors.

680
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: Now it's a story, a story.

681
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: And that's what I begged. I begged, I said, please

682
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: don't do this now, you are going to make it

683
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: such a much bigger story if you all just said

684
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: we did the investigation. Turns out both of them are

685
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 4: in the middle of divorces and had been for months.

686
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: We support were whatever they choose to do that, whatever,

687
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: but just say we and and that was very refiable.

688
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: And so I don't understand why they wouldn't have given

689
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: us just that, because if they had done that, none

690
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: of the rest would have happened, none of it, none

691
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 4: of the main we to then when that happened, when

692
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: they took us off there, Now we're on every single

693
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 4: news channel to see your face, to see oh my god.

694
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: And then that it looks at it and it's like,

695
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: well now it's huge, and it's like you did that.

696
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: And some of the bosses at the time, who aren't

697
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: there anymore, did get criticism for that, for that being

698
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: a bad move, for now handling this the right way. Look,

699
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: that is all either. I mean, it's all said and done.

700
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: It we had to get over, we had to get

701
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: past it.

702
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: But that really hard.

703
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: It was hard want to show up and do you

704
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: know do your job now, because it's like, obviously you

705
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: haven't lost that love for storytelling or journalism.

706
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: We're doing it on our terms. We're working our asses off,

707
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: but we're our own bosses now, and we love iHeart

708
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: and we have just, honestly the iHeart family. I could

709
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 4: get emotional because when you feel like everybody turned.

710
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 6: Their back on you the moment you aren't of use

711
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 6: to them, they just completely discard what you've done and

712
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 6: how hard you've worked to build a certain credibility and career.

713
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: And so iHeart came in and said, we got you,

714
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: and we believe in what you can still do and

715
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: what you can still produce, and you have value. And

716
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: that was everything in that moment, because I can only

717
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: speak for myself. I felt so devalued and I had

718
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: a lot. I had to go back to therapy like

719
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: and just figure it out. And it's all been good

720
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: for me because you shouldn't have your job be your identity.

721
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: You shouldn't get your value from what you do. You

722
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 4: should get your value from who you are and how

723
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: you treat people. And so it was just a total

724
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 4: I've been on a course correct because of it, and

725
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: I think we're at a place now where I can't

726
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: say that I'm glad it happened, but I do think

727
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: there was a reason why it and I'm a better

728
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: person because of it. And I'm just so happy that

729
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 4: we are where we are and our kids and our

730
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: girls and our families full support of us, full support.

731
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 4: And and we did lose friends. I did lose friends.

732
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: You should have lost some of those fuckers. Seriously, there

733
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: are the should Yeah, that's okay, which to you. I

734
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: don't think I lost any Seriously. I'm a certain type

735
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: of clan and I have very few people that I

736
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: am close to. And you know it, I lost a friend.

737
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about this. Did I lose a friend

738
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: in this mess? I don't think I did. Some colleagues

739
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 3: I don't still deal with us. You just see every day.

740
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: But you knew they were probably never friends to begin with.

741
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: That wasn't that shocking.

742
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know in the beginning that I was going

743
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: to be gaining a friend at some point, but I

744
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: did in my divorce.

745
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: You're talking about me, yeah, bitch.

746
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: I'm talking about it.

747
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: I love that there's no one I mean, yeah, It's

748
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: amazing how life does that. You just never know you don't,

749
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: and I such a testament to who you guys are

750
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: and your values, both of you and your children, and

751
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: the strength like.

752
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm just completely blown away.

753
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

754
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: It's true.

755
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 4: Thank you, Kelly Clark. Yeah, yeah, I mean no, but seriously,

756
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 4: like we both had moments, I mean not and we

757
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: can kind of laugh about it now, But there were

758
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: days where I had never ever had thoughts of wanting

759
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: to just for it to all be over. I've never

760
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 4: had a feeling like that before in my life, and

761
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: I did on multiple days in low moments, I actually

762
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: and that scared me so much. I was like, I

763
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 4: have never felt like I just want the pain to stop.

764
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 4: I just wanted to end. I can't live with this pain,

765
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: because when it's one thing, if you get a divorce

766
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 4: is hard enough. Losing your job is hard enough, losing

767
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: your reputation is hard enough. Having it all be public

768
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: is hard enough. Having it all happen at the same time,

769
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 4: and having your children, my adult children being upset with

770
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 4: me about how it all happened, like how could you

771
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: let this happen? How could you get how could you

772
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: not know someone was taking a picture of you like

773
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: those kinds of things. We're like, are you kidding me?

774
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 4: Right now? I cannot deal with this. But it all

775
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 4: happened at one time, and it just it almost it

776
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: almost broke me.

777
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: The part of that that got me is that it

778
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: was happening and it was false and there was nothing

779
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: say everything you saw, everything that happened was ae hundred

780
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: percent lie that was specifically manipulated and done intentionally to

781
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: do what it did. We lost. I mean they won,

782
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: I mean for the folks, for the one the folks

783
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: out there listening. You beat us. You won, and we

784
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 3: have your name, We have the emails, the documentation at

785
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: our attorney's office. We could blast that out anytime we

786
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: wanted to, but we have chosen not to because we

787
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: don't want this to all get started up again. We

788
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: don't know, well, you don't want impact to our daughters again,

789
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: which it certainly would be, and we don't. We just

790
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: not there.

791
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: But would that help us?

792
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: And they go, oh, okay, we feel better about Amy

793
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: and TJ now that we know this, Well, we should

794
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: have put that out three years ago.

795
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: Well tell me this, do you feel that you know

796
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: this happened in twenty twenty two? Or in twenty twenty six,

797
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: do you feel that obviously things have calmed down, because

798
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: that's what happens with time, But do you feel that

799
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: people have come around to like really see you again

800
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: and appreciate you.

801
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll probably realize as well. We think the

802
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 3: whole world is after us and hates you because you

803
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: read a headline or something like that. But you go

804
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: out in the world and there's the nicest people and

805
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: everybody embraces you, and it's just a totally different So

806
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: we were just caught up in that thing for a second,

807
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 3: or did not be caught up in that Yeah. Once

808
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: we actually got out and started interacting me again, we're like, oh,

809
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: we're not.

810
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 4: But it took a long time for us to get out.

811
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: And you guys didn't leave in New York, which is shocking.

812
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: I would have been like, get me out of the city.

813
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 2: The city's you know, toxic.

814
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 4: So everyone was telling us get out of the city.

815
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 4: I'm like, that sounds great. But I have a daughter

816
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: who's a junior in high school, and TJ had a

817
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 4: daughter who was in elementary school. I can't leave, but

818
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 4: I can't go somewhere. Did I want to go and

819
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 4: maybe go to my parents' house in Atlanta and go

820
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: just bury my head. Yes I did, but I couldn't

821
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: because I was a mom. Wow.

822
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: But it also showed that you're like, I'm standing in

823
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: my truth and I'm not leaving you know that.

824
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 4: I didn't feel strong like that at all. I felt

825
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 4: like I was under the sheet.

826
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: But now looking back, you have to be so proud

827
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: of yourself and like the woman that you are today

828
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: because of that experience. And we talk about it all

829
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: the time, like you there's the growth doesn't happen, like

830
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 2: when you get the pot of gold, right, the growth happens.

831
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: And in those moments where you're in the closet and

832
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: you're like, I can't fucking take another phone call, I

833
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: don't want to cry anymore, and you're just you feel

834
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: defeated as a human, like I would rather for me personally,

835
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: rather not be on this earth. Every time my headline

836
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 2: came out with Laala and our ex I and the kids,

837
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: and it was just like it's a pain.

838
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: In your heart that there's no words to describe. You

839
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 4: just want the pain to stop exactly. And I don't

840
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 4: think people understand and you can't know, like even us

841
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: as journalists who saw this and knew the media business

842
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: fairly intimately, I still can tell you until it happens

843
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 4: to you, Until the cameras are pointed at you and

844
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 4: the accusations are being lobbied at you, and the headlines

845
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: you're reading are complete utter lies, you can't know how

846
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: destructive that is, not just to you, but to everyone

847
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: who loves you.

848
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: Right, it's a waterfall. It's a waterfall effects well when

849
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: you see the same thing over and over again. And

850
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: obviously my situation was on a massively smaller scale, but

851
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: there were moments where I would look in the mirror

852
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I don't even know who I am,

853
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: what do I want, what do I represent? What do

854
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: I care about? Like I just relay on a much

855
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: smaller scale of looking in the mirror when those headlines

856
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: and even though you know how the media works, like

857
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: you said, when it's pointed at you, you lose your

858
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: identity and sense of self and it is beyond disorienting,

859
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: and you are in survival. You disassociate, you're on autopilot.

860
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: And then being a parent, it is like you're just

861
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: doing enough to like get your kids fed and where

862
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: they need to be and being like, that's a win

863
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: for the day.

864
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: I'll catch it tomorrow.

865
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: I'll catch you tomorrow. I said, I love you, and

866
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: I fed your three meals. We're done here.

867
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, we actually had to be very

868
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: mindful then after that, like we I it wasn't a year.

869
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: A full year went by before I physically saw Sabine.

870
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: We kept everything separate. We just wanted to give the

871
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: girls space. We kept everything separate. So our first Christmas,

872
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: first two Christmases together, we spent a part because we

873
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 4: spent them with our respective children, because we just wanted

874
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 4: to give them the courtesy of them deciding when they

875
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: were ready. Right, And now we have family vacations, we

876
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: have Christmases together. Now we can't get rid of them.

877
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: It's true we're going somewhere next week and Annalsa's popping by,

878
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Speaker 4: But it also is just a reminder if anyone's going

879
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 4: through something, even as a parent, and your kids are

880
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: upset with something you did or they don't like, even

881
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: maybe a new relationship or how it all happened, they

882
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 4: come around. I had someone tell me, I had someone

883
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 4: very kind who went through something similar, say, your kids

884
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 4: will come around. They will accept it and they will

885
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: accept you. If your love is real, they will they

886
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: will see you happy and they will support you. And

887
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: sure enough they did it. Just you have to be

888
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: patient and that that was a lesson for me. I

889
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: wanted to force everybody just like it's been so painful,

890
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 4: can we just all be together? And you have to

891
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: you have to respect where they are. And we did that,

892
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: and I think with Sabine it was really I was

893
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: proud of us. We waited a full year before I

894
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 4: and you asked her it was your birthday.

895
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Speaker 3: Sabine led the way. She was never forced to be

896
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: around anything. None of the kids were. So that was

897
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: and Sabine came around to a point. So now I

898
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: asked her to do things and she'll ask if Robot's

899
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: going to be there, and if not, she'll say, oh,

900
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Speaker 3: I'll pass them.

901
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Speaker 5: Right.

902
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 4: It's just that we have a thing.

903
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: We've gone on so many vacations internationally, We've the three

904
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 3: of us traveled.

905
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Speaker 1: I guess it always works out the way it's supposed to.

906
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: It works out. It's it's worked out. I cannot believe

907
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: we're sitting here and where we are and how we are,

908
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: but it's something has worked.

909
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to say, because you said that

910
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: they won, and now I'm going to get emotional, damn it.

911
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: No, please, I never apologize for tears. They're powerful. And

912
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 4: I know I hate when I cry too. I hate

913
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: that I just cried.

914
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Speaker 1: And I do it all the time, and I'm like,

915
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: stop it, but you care.

916
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: But it's someone.

917
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: You sit down with people and you you find each other.

918
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: And that only a few people. Everything we've said, you

919
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: all look like, oh okay, I get it, walk and

920
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: so many people can't relate to what we're saying and

921
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 3: being in those positions. But I can understand why almost

922
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: everything out of our mouth. You all have been there,

923
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: done that to a certain degree.

924
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's probably easy for me to say because

925
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't in your shoes, but I don't. I don't

926
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: feel like they won. I think it is really hard

927
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Speaker 1: to find the love of your life, and love always wins.

928
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Speaker 4: It is, it's, it's and it's not. It's not always

929
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: been easy. This is this is a tough and by

930
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: the way, we went from wanting to hang out with

931
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: each other to now never ever not being with each other.

932
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Speaker 4: It's I've never spent this much time with another human

933
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 4: in my life. But thank god it's him.

934
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Speaker 3: I don't know I said that about because it did

935
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: they their goal. They reached their goal. I mean, they

936
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 3: did what they set out to do, embarrassed, humiliate, and

937
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: maybe even get us to lose job. But it like

938
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: that plan worked. We were threatened at what happened.

939
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Speaker 1: Now, I don't mean to discredit that.

940
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no no, but I'm saying I need

941
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: to be on board what you're saying.

942
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Speaker 4: You are correct.

943
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I just imagine that they're like they set

944
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: out to do what they wanted to do, and now

945
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: where the fuck are you? And you guys are together

946
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: living this like very beautiful happy life and it costs

947
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: a lot, but I mean I'm out in these streets,

948
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: you guys, and finding your person is hard, and you

949
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: guys are a testament to like you fought, you sacrificed,

950
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: and I'm just so happy that you guys, you know,

951
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: worked it all out, your kids are involved in happy,

952
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: you have iHeart allowing you to do things on your terms. Yeah,

953
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: this was just I really enjoyed having you guys on

954
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: this podcast. Yes, thank you guys so much. Thank you.

955
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 4: We have loved starting to get to know you, but

956
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: we're going to find out a lot more about you

957
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: here in just a moment, right. So, we have had

958
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: a blast being on y'all's podcast, but you all are

959
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 4: going to be on our podcast. It's correct.

960
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: I love a good swap, So you guys, thank you

961
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: so much for listening to another episode of an Unlikely Affair.

962
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: You can catch Amber and myself on Amy t J

963
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: and I'm so excited we're going to get into it.

964
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Speaker 1: So we will catch you guys next week. We'll catch

965
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Speaker 1: you another pod. Bye bye

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