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Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I'm ghosted. I gos nandas Pllease hey boo, it's me

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Speaker 1: ros and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast

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Speaker 1: where I talk to people that I like about the

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Speaker 1: para normal. It's another listener phone call extravaganza. Okay, this one.

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Speaker 1: I know I say this every time, but this this

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Speaker 1: one is one of one of the best ones we've

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Speaker 1: ever had. I'm sorry, these these stories are so good.

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Speaker 1: I love doing these so as always, please said in

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Speaker 1: your ghost stories, if you want to be on a

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Speaker 1: listener episode like this, you write the word listener episode

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Speaker 1: in the little subject line and then give us bullet

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Speaker 1: points of your story. You know, one Sunday, there's instructions

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Speaker 1: on our Instagram Ghosted by Rods, So if you look

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Speaker 1: on there, there's a pinned post and it explains everything

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Speaker 1: for coming on here. But these listeners, they're setting the

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Speaker 1: bar high. Okay, you better come with some good stuff

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Speaker 1: because just just you wait, it's gonna get creepy. As always,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you about some other stuff going

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Okay, YouTube, go check out YouTube. There's a

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Speaker 1: couple of things I'd love for you to see. First off,

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Speaker 1: we do video episodes of Ghosted by ros Hernandez, typically

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Speaker 1: when it's in studio interviews as opposed to some of

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Speaker 1: the zoom calls that we've had. But there's so many

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Speaker 1: videos up on YouTube, and I know some people prefer

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Speaker 1: to watch YouTube podcast, so I just want to make

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Speaker 1: sure everyone knows exactly Wright's amazing YouTube channel has got

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Speaker 1: video if you ever want to see me and the

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Speaker 1: guests talking, so you can just subscribe to them there

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Speaker 1: and see those episodes. Also my YouTube, ros Hernandez the

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Speaker 1: Haunted Doll, I have posted some new ghost hunts and

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Speaker 1: I'm very proud of them. So I'd love if you

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Speaker 1: if you went and looked. It's me at haunted hotels,

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Speaker 1: often joined by a guy from Grinder, and it's cute,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing my style of ghost hunting. I'm proud

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Speaker 1: of them, I love them. I'd love for you to

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Speaker 1: see them. It's a great companion piece to this podcast.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into this phenomenal listener episode. First up,

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Speaker 1: we have got Billy. This is a big old ghost

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Speaker 1: story and I'm scared thinking about it. Okay, take it away,

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Speaker 1: belly Billy from Columbus, Ohio. Hi Billy, Hello, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: So you have like the whole Enchilada. You got a

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Speaker 1: big mama of a story.

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Speaker 2: I got the big mama Inenchilada.

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Speaker 1: Okay, give it to me. Don't spare any of the toppings.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear this big story. So where does

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Speaker 2: Amazing. So, going into the fall of two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 2: I can't find a job, Like what do I do?

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Speaker 2: And so I decide to apply to teach English in France.

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Speaker 2: And so I get a gig and accept it into

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Speaker 2: the northeast corner of France, into a region called the Arden.

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Speaker 2: The thing I didn't know about the Odden before moving

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Speaker 1: So when you arrived, were you like okay, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like what did I sign up for?

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Speaker 1: There's like little trolls and ferries crawling all over you.

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Speaker 2: I've always I like to believe, or have felt in

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Speaker 2: only person this didn't happen too simultaneously was the German guy.

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Speaker 1: I think it was him. I think he has the

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Speaker 1: Did you drink Absinthe isn't that sort of what they

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Speaker 2: And so at that point, that's when I had reached

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Speaker 2: So they immediately brought up the tarot and they said

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Speaker 2: And ever since that time, I haven't had any interactions

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Speaker 1: And this spanned how many years.

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Speaker 2: I told him he's be with you know, thanks, like

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Speaker 2: an awareness? Did it need help? And was I not

433
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: like mature enough to help it? Or was it just

434
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: an energy suck you know that wanted to get into someone.

435
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but here's the thing. If you're trying to like

436
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: you want my help or whatever, how about you don't

437
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: push me against the wall and act like you're about

438
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: to break my neck. Okay, that's not how you do that.

439
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: So that's not how I make my friend.

440
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, see what we were just thinking the same thing.

441
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 2: I don't want to be your friend now, Okay, I

442
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: want to keep my body in one piece.

443
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: Well that was a great story. Thanks for sharing it.

444
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

445
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: Thank you, Billy. Okay, this one is not going to

446
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: be scary after that. Okay, we need we need to

447
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: cool after that. Uh and we've got a Teresa Capudo

448
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: story for you. I got it. Okay. We don't get

449
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: enough of these Esa Kapudo's stories. So you know, if

450
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: any of you that have ever encountered her in the

451
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: New York Tri state area, please please write in I

452
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: love a Teresa story. This one is coming from Jackie.

453
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: Go for a Jackie. Oh my god. We are joined

454
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: by Jackie in Hudson Valley, New York. Hi, Hi Roz. Okay,

455
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: this is this email makes me so excited because it

456
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: contains mention of Teresa Caputo the Long Island Medium.

457
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

458
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: Now, in my mind, if you live in New York State,

459
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: you're always fair game. Okay, anywhere you go. You you

460
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: could be in line at the you know now movie

461
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: theater and she if she's got a message, you're going

462
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: to get it. So this happened to you? Yes, tell

463
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: me everything. Were there cameras or yes, but not her cameras.

464
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: So I'll explain.

465
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 4: So I worked as a video producer at the time,

466
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: doing like press interviews. Okay, so when people were coming

467
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 4: out with like a book or like a show or

468
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 4: something and they were doing some press interviews, they would

469
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: come and do like a quick fifteen to twenty minute

470
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 4: interview at our entertainment brand at the time. And so

471
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 4: you know, there was a new season of The Long

472
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: Island Medium coming out and Teresa was on the press

473
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 4: tour and she was going to make a stop at

474
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 4: our office, and it was really excited because I'm a

475
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 4: huge fan, but her team was like pretty explicit that like, look,

476
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: don't get excited, she's not going to do any readings,

477
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: Like we have like fifteen minutes. Teresa's she's booked, she's busy, Like,

478
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: don't get.

479
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: Ready for a reading.

480
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 4: But like you just said, if you know her, you

481
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: know she can't even go to the grocery store without

482
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 4: channeling a spirit. So I felt like there was like

483
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: a pretty good chance that she would just spontaneously like

484
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: break down to a reading.

485
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: That's like her thing.

486
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that has to be so annoying for her. Because

487
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: she's on a time crunch. She's got all these people

488
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: that are like, come on, Teresa, this time, we only

489
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: have fifteen minutes. You can't start reading everyone exactly right.

490
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: And I do respect her time, but at the same time,

491
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: it's like, how often are you going to be in

492
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 4: the presence of Teresa?

493
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: You know, you have to hope that she does a reading.

494
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 4: So she comes in the door, and like I will say, though,

495
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 4: seeing her in the flesh, it's like staring at the sun.

496
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: Her hair is it's just more amazing in person.

497
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

498
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 4: But she comes in and like, I'm not fifteen seconds

499
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: into well, sorry, I should say. The crew and I

500
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 4: like we kind of talked about like, you know, we

501
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: don't know what's gonna happen, so maybe if anyone has

502
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: something from like a departed person that they want to

503
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 4: like stash away in your pocket or something while she's around,

504
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: like maybe that might help help.

505
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: Things kind of get in the air.

506
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

507
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: So I kind of like thought it would be exciting

508
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 4: if she did a reading for like a sound guy

509
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: or something, but I really.

510
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: Truly didn't think it was gonna be me. For some reason.

511
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: I just was like, it's not going to be me,

512
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: but I always do have my grandmother's ring on. But yeah,

513
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: I didn't really think about that. So anyway, not fifteen

514
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: seconds until like the first like oh, your new season

515
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: of Wyley Medium coming out, she just goes and who

516
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: has the grandmother's ring?

517
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: And it has the grandmother's ring? Should I not do

518
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: the accent?

519
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: By the way, who's got the grandmother's ring?

520
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: But I got so nervous, like I all of a

521
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: sudden didn't want it to be happening anymore. I just

522
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 4: felt like my stomach drop and I was like, not me,

523
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 4: not me. Hopefully someone else in this room has their

524
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 4: grandmother's rink. So I didn't say anything, but she just

525
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: started like rattling off more and more specifics that were

526
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: like clearly about me.

527
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: About my grandmother.

528
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: What did she say?

529
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 4: So first she was like, so my grandmother had als,

530
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: And she was like, and this grandmother she lost the

531
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 4: ability to walk in this lifetime because my legs just

532
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: went numb. My legs just went up, and that's my

533
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: indication that. So I was like, oh my god, I

534
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: think like maybe it is me. And I still didn't

535
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: say anything. And then she was like, and this person

536
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: is jumping up and down on the other side, letting

537
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: me know that they're free, they have their ability to

538
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: move back on the other side, even though they lost

539
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: it here on Earth. So that was like, like I

540
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 4: just she kept on like saying things like that.

541
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: She brought up the ring again, and.

542
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: Then finally I was like, I think it's me, Like

543
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: I chose to like so, and she was like, why

544
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: did you say something? Get over here, and she like

545
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: pulled me over and yeah, she just like channeled my

546
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: grandmother and did a whole reading and it was crazy.

547
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: It was crazy.

548
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: WHOA. I imagine she's probably best like in that situation,

549
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: because you know, I've always heard really good things about her,

550
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: but I've also heard people that have like sat down

551
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: to like do something, and it's it's more like, you know,

552
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: do it, Teresa, give it to us. And I'm sure

553
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: that has to be a lot of pressure and probably hard,

554
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: but like if she could just pick up and then

555
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: work with it, I think that's that's where she thrives.

556
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point.

557
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: And maybe yeah, like I almost wasn't wanting it, and

558
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: I think sometimes that like could I don't know, I

559
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 4: didn't want to be the one it happened to and

560
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: maybe that was like my grandmother being like, well, well

561
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: you will, but.

562
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: Your grandma she's just jumping like get her attention right.

563
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 4: And there was like another kind of like specific thing

564
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: she said that was just so spot on.

565
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: That was pretty crazy.

566
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: So a special thing that my grandmother and I had

567
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: was that when I was little, she once like made

568
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: me a bet that my room wasn't clean. And she

569
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: said to like, I'll bet you a three hundred dollars

570
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: at your room's not clean, and I had been forced

571
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: to clean it that day, so I took that bet

572
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: and she she was wrong. So she was like, Okay,

573
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: I don't have the money, like that's a lot of

574
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: money and don't have it on me, but I'm gonna

575
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: write you and I owe you so on a yellow

576
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: post it note, she wrote me like the letter I

577
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: owe you three hundred dollars, And then every time I

578
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 4: saw her, she would give me a dollar and like

579
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: we would tack it off like time it off for

580
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: years and I kept it like I kept it in

581
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 4: a jewelry box. It was like a special little like

582
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: it was a post it but it was special. And

583
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: while I was talking to Teresa. She was like, and

584
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: what is this little yellow note I'm seeing? It's in

585
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: a box and it says I I heart you, I

586
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: heart you. Like she was like spelling it out like

587
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: I and a heart new you. And at first I

588
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: was like I don't know, and then it like clicked.

589
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, is it I owe you? And

590
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: she was like, I guess, so I don't know what

591
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: that means.

592
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: But like she was not putting it together, but she

593
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 4: saw this yellow posted note and she thought said I

594
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: heart you, but it said I owe you. And she

595
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: was like, she's showing me a post it note in

596
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: a box that says that.

597
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I know.

598
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: It was really wild.

599
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: God, she's good.

600
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: She's so good.

601
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: Are you obsessed with Sylvia Brown?

602
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: I am, But she's not as impressive.

603
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: No, she's not at all. That's why I'm obsessed with.

604
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yes, yes, yes yeah. I've been seeing like

605
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: a lot of the Sylvia Brown clips lately where she's

606
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: like telling people the craziest things that are could never

607
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: be true.

608
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: But she took a lot of swings, and you know what,

609
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: I respect someone that takes risks in life. Yes, okay,

610
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: tell me more ghost stories. Tell me. Do you do

611
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: you have any like spooky er ones like that one

612
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: is incredible? But like, can you keep me up at night?

613
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping too well. I'm sleeping too well these days.

614
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: I need something that will keep me up.

615
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: Okay, well let's see how this does. Okay, So in.

616
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 4: College, I went to college here in the Hudson Valley,

617
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 4: and a lot of the houses here are like from

618
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds, which I know doesn't automatically make something haunted.

619
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: But yeah it does. I think it does.

620
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: It kind of does, so so yeah, so my senior year,

621
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: my friend and I moved into the top floor of

622
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: the super old house that like they had turned the

623
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: top floor into apartment and the bottom floor the owner

624
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: lived in. And it was like old wooden house. And

625
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: my bedroom was like an attic. It was like a

626
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: lofted attic room, and in the room was like a

627
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: little cross space door, you know, like how when you

628
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: open it it's just like roof in there.

629
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's where they used to keep the child

630
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: that they didn't want anyone to know about until they

631
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: died a sad death from not being fad Yeah exactly.

632
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: And then I lived in there.

633
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 4: No, but I will say, like I didn't get creepy

634
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 4: vibes or haunted vibe. It wasn't like a movie where

635
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: you walk in and you're like get a chill or

636
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: you don't like the feeling.

637
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: It was a fine place to live.

638
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 4: And so there's this little crossbay door, and on the

639
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: door there was actually two little locks. One was like

640
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 4: a SLIDEI lock that you would see on like a

641
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: bathroom stall, like that style, and the other style was

642
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 4: like a little hook with a circle.

643
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: I honestly didn't think it was weird that there were

644
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: two locks. I don't know what I thought about it.

645
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: I just was like, okay, because of the child that

646
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: they didn't want anyone to they didn't want it to

647
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: get out.

648
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: Now it makes sense, but at the time I was like,

649
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 4: you need to keep the roof locked up. But anyway,

650
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 4: life goes on living in the apartment. And then I

651
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: just start noticing that, like the craw space door would

652
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 4: just kind of open a lot, like it would just

653
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: kind of fly open.

654
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: If it was lock.

655
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: Though.

656
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but basically I was like assuming, Okay, the locks

657
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: must have just kind of like their crusty, rusty old locks,

658
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 4: and they probably like were like sliding open and like

659
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: getting messed up for like a little bit, and then

660
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 4: something would happen and the.

661
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 3: Door would open, like for a while.

662
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 4: I made a lot of excuses about the locks and

663
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 4: the door, and I just didn't let it scare me.

664
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: I was. I just kind of closed it and put

665
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: the locks back.

666
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: They were really old locks, so I just assumed it

667
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: was like a hardware issue. But then it would, like,

668
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: you know, it was happening in front of people a lot,

669
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 4: so it became like a topic of conversation that like

670
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 4: the haunted door would always open, And then I did

671
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 4: see that the locks were opening at the same.

672
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: Time the door would open.

673
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: The locks would just kind of like like pop up

674
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: and the door would just fly open.

675
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: Then it did start scaring me.

676
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: But you know what's really scary about that is that

677
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: since the locks are on the outside, that means the

678
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: ghost was in your room. They weren't in the creepy

679
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: crawl space.

680
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 4: Well what if they were in there trying to get

681
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 4: out though, and just forcing.

682
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: But how could they unlock it from the outside if

683
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: they were in the caral space. I bet you don't know.

684
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: I bet you it was the mutant child that was

685
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: like nobody liked it was trying to like let me

686
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: back in there. I need to hide. I don't know,

687
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm just making things up.

688
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 4: Well, your guess is as good as mine. But the

689
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: more time went on, like I started paying attention to it,

690
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: and me and my friends started realizing a couple things

691
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 4: about it, which is that like it never happened when

692
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: I was alone, Like it always happened when somebody.

693
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: Else was with me.

694
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: And then I noticed that it happened when a new

695
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 4: person was around, so like I was a bit of

696
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 4: a hostess, like I had a lot of people over

697
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: a lot.

698
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: It was a cool space.

699
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: It was kind of like a hang and it always

700
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: would happen like in front of people, like in front

701
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: of a person who.

702
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: Was like, what the hell what was that?

703
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: And it was like a new person was around. So

704
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: it wasn't like happening just when I was home. It

705
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 4: wasn't happening just when like me and my roommate were there.

706
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: It was like almost like a greeting or don't I

707
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: don't really know what it was.

708
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: That's really polite of the ghost, because I feel like

709
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: often what happens is when no one's looking and then

710
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: you don't have any witnesses, and everyone thinks you're crazy.

711
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: Right, No, I know right.

712
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: It was like she I don't know, was making an

713
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: honest woman out of me, Like there was no denying

714
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 4: that there was something going on. So it would happen

715
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: a lot, and then it really started. I kind of

716
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 4: just I got over it. I was like, I'm over this.

717
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 4: I can't I don't want to deal with this anymore.

718
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: And I ended up moving a dresser in front of

719
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: it because I was like, let's move on from this.

720
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't like, let's.

721
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: Say goodbye to the ghost. And I kind of moved

722
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: on with my life a little bit. But then a

723
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: couple of weeks later, it was like nearing the end

724
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 4: of the year and my two best friends from home

725
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: were coming to visit me and my apartment for the

726
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 4: first time.

727
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: And we walk into the room and we just hear.

728
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: A big thud against the dresser and a picture frame

729
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: like falls off the dresser. So the freaking door flew

730
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 4: open behind the dresser and like hit into the dresser

731
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: and knocked a picture frame off of it. Oh. I

732
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: was like, oh no, they're back.

733
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: That poor ghost was like, do you I'm gonna come

734
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: on out and on man.

735
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was two friends who had never been there.

736
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: Before, new people, and.

737
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 4: The kind of like creepy cherry on top was that.

738
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: Later I went to pick up the picture that fell,

739
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 4: and in the picture was the three of us like

740
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 4: me and those two friends who walked in. I don't know,

741
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: that might be a coincidence, but like later I was like, oh,

742
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: let me pick this up. And then I was like,

743
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, it's us.

744
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: Oh this is good.

745
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: What's scary?

746
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: You got good stories? I mean, this is better than

747
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: anything I could ever ask for. We get Teresa Caputo

748
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: and the door that opens on its own when new

749
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: people come in.

750
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I know, I know, I'm blessed.

751
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm a blessed person.

752
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm blessed that you joined me today. So thank you

753
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: so much. Thank you, Ros, thank you Jackie. And finally,

754
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: we have a caller named Jen who's got a reincarnation

755
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: story and then just randomly throws in an incredible ghost story.

756
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: So here's my conversation with Jen. It is now time

757
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: for Jen into Homa, Washington. Hello Jen, Hello Ras. Okay,

758
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm seeing you have a haunted mansion shirt on and

759
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: I see a Haunted Mansion blanket or something couch, yeah,

760
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: the throw Yeah, so you a fan of Oh and

761
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: then that lady what's her name, Madam Leota, Madam Leota,

762
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: the lady in the ball. So you're a Haunted Mansion fan.

763
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 5: I am definitely a Haunted Mansion fan. I'm a huge

764
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: fan of technical theater and special effects, theatrical special effects,

765
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 5: and I mean, you can't do better than the og

766
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 5: as far as Dark Rids go with the Haunted Mansion.

767
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 5: So my love for the Haunted Mansion is really all

768
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 5: of the fantastic special effects that they managed to pull

769
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 5: off using really old techniques, with the exception of a

770
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 5: few new things like the abounam Liota effect and.

771
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: Like that Pepper's ghost.

772
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 5: Pepper's Ghost.

773
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the thing I learned about, which is like,

774
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: it's how they do like the projection to make the

775
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: ghosts right or what is it you now?

776
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 5: Sort of it's actually a light effect. It's a light effect.

777
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 5: So they have a pane of glass and then at

778
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 5: directly beneath the pane of glass they have the mannequined

779
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: ghost characters dancing on turntables. The way that it works

780
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 5: is the light shines on the onto the ghosts, and

781
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 5: it reflects up onto the glass, so you get this

782
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 5: transparent effect of these ghosts, kind of you know being

783
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 5: you know, see through transparency. But there you can see

784
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 5: the ghost moving through the dining room.

785
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: And that's like an old thing they did a long

786
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: time ago.

787
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, like the eighteen hundreds, maybe even before. I'd have

788
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 5: to double check them. I'm a theater history nerd, but

789
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 5: I'm not that much of a nerd that I know

790
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: exact dates.

791
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: Do you know anything about the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland

792
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: being haunted? Yes, I do.

793
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 5: I've had quite a few friends who actually worked as

794
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 5: cast members for Disneyland, and a few of them were

795
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 5: lucky enough to get stationed at the Haunted Mansion, and

796
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 5: they did say that there were a few occasions where

797
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 5: they they got spooked in the mansion, even with all

798
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 5: the lights on. I don't, unfortunately, have any like specific

799
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 5: details about that, but you know, they basically I've had

800
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 5: someal friends say oh yeah, yeah, no, there's definitely something

801
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 5: going on in there.

802
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: I think I've told this on the show before, But

803
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: like I talked to a girl one time that worked there,

804
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: and she was like one time, They're like it was

805
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: closed and I was trying to make sure there was

806
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: nobody in there, and there was this little boy and

807
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: then and then he disappeared.

808
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 5: Yes, I've heard that story. Yes, there's a website called

809
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 5: doombuggies dot com that has a little chat form and

810
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 5: you can find lots of cast members also all posting

811
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: posting stories there too.

812
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: I want to hear your stories you According to the

813
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: bullet points I was said, you have it goes inside

814
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: my child type story sort of.

815
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 5: Yeah. The funny thing is, I love you know, I

816
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 5: love telling ghost stories. I love the mythology and folklore

817
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 5: ghost stories that I don't really believe in ghosts myself personally, okay,

818
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 5: but this is something where it's like it was so weird.

819
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna stick with me for my entire

820
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: life because it just completely caught me out of left

821
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 5: field and I don't have an explanation for it. I

822
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 5: genuinely don't, you know.

823
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of just like you know, I

824
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: think about this all the time with the state of

825
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: our world when it comes to trans people, and these

826
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: people are always trying to explain away everything and this

827
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: can't happen and how is this and that? And I'm

828
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: just like, just a person is telling you how they feel,

829
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: and that is all that you need to think about,

830
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I think that way

831
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: with a lot of things in life, and paranormal being

832
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: one of those things where you're like, I want to

833
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: explain it all, but at the end of the day,

834
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: it's weird and I can't explain it, and it's just

835
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: something that I know is something Do I need to

836
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: have a full explanation? No?

837
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I think it's a waste

838
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 5: our of our mental and emotional energy to try to

839
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 5: explain something where it's just like, you know what, it's okay,

840
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 5: just take the oddity and say this is something that's

841
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 5: interesting about that. I've experienced it and I've got a

842
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 5: story now.

843
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what happened? What have a habit?

844
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 5: Okay? So my kid was born in twenty nineteen. My

845
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 5: child was conceived a couple of weeks after my dad

846
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 5: passed away. Most queer moms know when a conception happens

847
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 5: for what, I hope for obvious reasons that I don't

848
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 5: need to go into. But about three years after after

849
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 5: my dad passed away, my three year old spontaneously, out

850
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 5: of nowhere, says to me, I'm sorry that when I

851
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 5: was your dad, I died what And I just kind

852
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 5: of like my heart stopped for a second in my chest,

853
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 5: and I went, what, you know, and she's like, I'm

854
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: just really sorry, and I'm like, it's so, it's okay, honey.

855
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 5: You couldn't help that, you know. I really didn't know

856
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 5: how to continue with that conversation. I went, can you

857
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 5: explain what you mean? And she just said, I'm just sorry.

858
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 5: You know, three year old not a huge vocabulary, not

859
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 5: a huge capacity to really, you know, go deep into

860
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 5: a conversation, you know. So I was just like, great,

861
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 5: you know. And the thing is is, prior to that,

862
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: when my kid was only two years old, she woke

863
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 5: up suddenly in the middle of the night from a

864
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 5: nightmare and she was crying and she was pointing at

865
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 5: the window saying, moo, cow in the window, which, okay,

866
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 5: that's a strange thing to say in any case. But

867
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 5: we're on the second floor. We have a two story house,

868
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 5: and the bedroom is on the second floor, and so

869
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 5: we're on the second floor, and we're thirty miles minimum

870
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 5: from the nearest farm. So that was a weird statement,

871
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 5: and you had to go, oh, well, just she was

872
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 5: having a weird dream and she said it. But the

873
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 5: thing is that when my dad was a kid, when

874
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 5: he was a teenager in the sixties, his dad worked

875
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 5: for NASA based out of Huntsville, Alabama, and so they

876
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 5: had a little house that was on the edge of

877
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 5: some farmland property and he shared a bedroom. It was

878
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 5: a single story and little house. He shared a bedroom

879
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 5: with his brother and between their two beds was a window.

880
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 5: One night, they wake up in the middle of the summer,

881
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 5: they had their windows completely open. They wake up in

882
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: the middle of the summertime to find a cow heads

883
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 5: in the window, just like munch and could right next

884
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: to my dad's face. And he screams, His brother screams,

885
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 5: and the cow moves and he backs out, and you know,

886
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 5: my granddaddy comes in. He's like, what's going on, and

887
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 5: they're trying to explain cow in the window. There's a

888
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 5: cow in the window. I never told that story to

889
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: my kid, she was two years old. I would have

890
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 5: had no occasion to tell my kid this story, and

891
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 5: I hadn't. And so the fact that she wakes up

892
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 5: dead asleep from a dead sleep, and she's like, move

893
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 5: cow in the window, and it's just terrified of this cow.

894
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 5: There was literally nothing that could have you know, there's

895
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: no cartoon or anything like that she could have watched

896
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 5: that would have inspired that outburst. So yeah, so that,

897
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 5: you know, and then a year later, the whole I'm

898
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 5: sorry when I was your dad I died, you know,

899
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 5: it was just like mm hmm, okay, you know, because

900
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: we thought it was interesting that we finally succeeded after

901
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 5: like three years of trying, we finally succeeded in conceiving

902
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 5: two weeks after my dad dies, you know. And so

903
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 5: at the time, I was like, oh, that's you know, huh,

904
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 5: maybe maybe this is Dad's way of sticking around. But

905
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 5: you know, it's one of those kind of fancy thoughts

906
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 5: you have, you know, in the moment when you're dealing

907
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 5: with greed fan joy at the same time and you're

908
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 5: just trying to sort of soothe yourself, right, So, but

909
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 5: it just it's strange. Now I will say that we

910
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 5: haven't really had any what I guess would be called

911
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 5: ghost winks, you know, since then. But my kid very

912
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 5: much is like my dad. My dad is a professional actor.

913
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 5: He's very much a performer, stage performer, and my kid

914
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 5: loves the theater. She's five years old and she's about

915
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 5: to she's actually in rehearsals now for her fourth show, Whoa. Yeah,

916
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 5: so so she definitely has a lot of my dad's

917
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 5: kind of personalities. But I think it's like, is it

918
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 5: coming from some metaphysical place or is it just I'm

919
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 5: like my dad too, and so she's just naturally taking

920
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 5: on my attributes as well. I mean, I think that's

921
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 5: probably more likely. But oh, come on, I know, I know,

922
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 5: embrace the odd.

923
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: I know, it's so fun. Have you ever seen that

924
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 1: show go sinceide my child? I have, Yes, it hasn't

925
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: been on it a couple of years, but I like

926
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: every once in a while because of my algorithms, like

927
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: a clip will come up on YouTube that I click

928
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: on and it's it's a lot of this kind of stuff.

929
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: You know, these kids they know things or how did

930
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: you know that?

931
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

932
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, my kid also had for a while, she had

933
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 5: the same imaginary friend that I had out of nowhere.

934
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: Wow.

935
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I never told her about my imaginary friend, and

936
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 5: suddenly one day she starts talking about this little man

937
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 5: named Joe. And I'm like whom because my imasiny friend

938
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 5: was a little guy named Joe, and I said he

939
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 5: was the mayor of Joeville and he drove a trans am.

940
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: He know his being.

941
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 5: So she didn't go to that mischis detail, but she

942
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, here's this is This little guy's name

943
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 5: is Joe. And I'm like, great, never told her about that. Yeah,

944
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 5: so we're on a wavelength somehow. It's something, it's something,

945
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 5: there's something going on.

946
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: Do you have other stories to share?

947
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, let me think. Well, when I was

948
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 5: on my honeymoon, my wife and I this is unrelated

949
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 5: to my kids. My kid didn't exist yet. But my

950
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 5: wife and I were staying in this carriage house at

951
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 5: this old B and b and where it was here

952
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 5: in Takoba. We didn't live here yet. We didn't live

953
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 5: here in Dakoba yet. We were visiting from Nevada. We'd

954
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 5: actually gone up to Canada to get married because it

955
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 5: was before marriage was legal here. We'll see how long

956
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 5: that last cuugh cough, but maybe need to cut that.

957
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 5: I don't know, but so so so we thought about

958
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 5: you know, well, we had some friends nearby and kind

959
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 5: of between Seattle and Tacoma. We were staying with them

960
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: but for our you know marriage eve, I guess, or

961
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 5: the evening after we got married. With that, we're like,

962
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 5: you know, we'd kind of like to have a place

963
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 5: to ourselves. So my wife found this fantastic little B

964
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 5: and B traditional ben Breakfast here in Tacoma, and so

965
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 5: she booked the entire carriage house for us, and I'm like,

966
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 5: that's awesome. So we got into the carriage house and

967
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 5: we were we were in bed, just in just lying

968
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 5: in bed. We really this doesn't have to change the

969
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 5: rating of this podcast, but we were just we were

970
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 5: relaxing and my wife suddenly looks at me.

971
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: She goes, do you see that?

972
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 5: And I was like, uh, you me and the guys

973
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 5: standing in the doorway.

974
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, do you see that guy?

975
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, clearly yes, because I just said,

976
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 5: you mean the guy standing in the doorway. And she's like,

977
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 5: what's he wearing? And I'm like, well, I'll tell you

978
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 5: the tops if you tell me the bottoms. And she's

979
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 5: like okay, and I'm like, okay, at the top he's

980
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 5: wearing kind of you know, in kind of a night

981
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 5: teen twenties style. Henley's sort of a shirt at a

982
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 5: vest and he and she's like yeah, and his bottoms

983
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 5: are like brown pants and I'm like yep. And so

984
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 5: when we were directly looking at and we were looking

985
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 5: at each other and kind of looking through this our

986
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 5: side eye, and then I was like, it was like,

987
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 5: is he really here?

988
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 2: You have the thing?

989
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 5: And She's like, I don't know, because he's awful quiet,

990
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 5: and so we when we both turned to look fully gone, I.

991
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: Mean, you know, how did you both see him?

992
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 5: Yeah?

993
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: I exactly.

994
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 5: I can't explain that we were both wide awake and

995
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 5: you can't share a dream. So it's one of those

996
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 5: things where it's like I'm just going to embrace the

997
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 5: odd and say that was a weird moment, you know,

998
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 5: where we just had this strange experience that we can't explain.

999
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 5: And we talked to the owner of the BnB the

1000
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 5: next morning having our breakfast that they were so kindly

1001
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 5: serving us, and we were just like, have you ever

1002
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 5: had any activity in the carriage house? And the owner

1003
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 5: just kind of stopped and he went why and really

1004
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 5: just curious if anyone's ever seen a guy in the

1005
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: carriage house looking like he's supposed to be working with horses,

1006
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 5: and he was like, yeah, a few, We've had a

1007
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 5: few people.

1008
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, that's all we needed.

1009
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 5: We don't need to go anymore into it. You know,

1010
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 5: we don't need to know if you know, circumstances or anything.

1011
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is crazy. God. He was probably like

1012
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: room for one more h creep, such a creep. Wow,

1013
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: that that's good. What well, let me ask you when

1014
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: you saw him, did he look transparent? I mean, if

1015
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: you know that you're in this house alone and then

1016
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you see a guy, I mean

1017
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: that's yeah, and you both are you both obviously realized

1018
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: it was a ghost. Yeah.

1019
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 5: I mean what happened was there was through the doorway

1020
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 5: that we saw him in led into the bathroom, the

1021
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 5: all like onto and so it looked directly to the

1022
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 5: sink and there was a window there. So my first

1023
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 5: thought was someone standing pressed up against the window outside,

1024
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 5: because my brain is trying to logic out of this, right,

1025
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 5: So so that's part of why I didn't turn my head.

1026
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 5: I was just like, there's somebody there, Okay, what's going on?

1027
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 5: And then the more I kind of cheated looks the

1028
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 5: more I realized that's not outside, that's inside. And so

1029
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 5: then it's one of those things where it's like we were,

1030
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 5: you know, checking off with each other, like this is

1031
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 5: what I'm seeing, is this is what you're seeing, And

1032
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 5: we were able to confirm that we were both seeing

1033
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 5: the same thing without giving anything.

1034
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: Away to each other.

1035
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 5: And then when we kind of I don't know, psychically,

1036
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 5: kind of communicated with our eyes like we're going to

1037
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 5: turn our heads now, that's when it went away. And

1038
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 5: so there was just no other explanation than like, Okay,

1039
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 5: well we just saw something we can't explain.

1040
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm so mad this this always happens to people that

1041
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: don't even believe a ghost. I have wanted that to

1042
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: happen to me so many times. I mean I think literally,

1043
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: with all my ghost life, I think one or two

1044
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: times I kind of feel like I saw something like

1045
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: saw a person, but never that good where you can

1046
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: tell what they're wearing and everything.

1047
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the thing that was just completely absolutely bizarre,

1048
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 5: and I you know, it's one of those things where

1049
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 5: I'm not looking for explanations, but like if someone were

1050
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 5: to come to me and go, okay, well, scientifically, you

1051
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 5: have this aspect of mirror disturbance and you know, whatever,

1052
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 5: swamp gas whatever, you know that I could be like, Okay, yeah,

1053
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 5: I can kind of see how in this situation maybe

1054
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 5: blah blah, but I haven't had anyone coming to me

1055
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 5: with anything that kind of made any sort of sense

1056
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 5: where I'm like, yeah, okay, you know, my logical brain

1057
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 5: is can buy that and go, yes, I can see

1058
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 5: what you're saying and I can put that together. But

1059
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 5: with this, we just couldn't, you know, because I mean

1060
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 5: there have been plenty of times where we've gone into

1061
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 5: locations that were supposed to be haunted and you know,

1062
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 5: we're kind of jazzed up and maybe like, oh maybe

1063
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 5: we'll actually see something. We never see anything. We never

1064
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 5: encounter anything, not even like a spooky feeling. Yeah, we

1065
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 5: were not in that house thinking this place is not

1066
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 5: we're going to see something. We were we were completely

1067
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 5: focused on each other for obvious reasons. So when that

1068
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 5: interrupted us, that's really why I think it was just

1069
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 5: so striking and memorable, because we were not anticipating anything

1070
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 5: at all.

1071
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: That's how that's when they get you, that's when they

1072
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: creep in. Yeah, well this is great. I think you

1073
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: gave us all we need. This is wonderful, fantastic. Well,

1074
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate you doing this, and hopefully I'll

1075
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: talk to you again sometime. If anything spooky happens.

1076
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, if anything else happens, I'll let you know.

1077
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. To Billy Jackie and Jen. Oh

1078
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: don't you just listen and go? I wish I was

1079
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: like Billy Jackie and Jen. Well you could be, so

1080
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: you email ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com with

1081
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: some bullet points in a subject line that says listener

1082
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: episode I love you all, but living in Dad. But

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Speaker 1: if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt

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Speaker 1: me came by. This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 1: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I

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Speaker 1: read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you,

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Speaker 1: So email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can send a DM or voice message to the

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Speaker 1: show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

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Speaker 1: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Roz Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

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Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

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Speaker 1: sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker

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Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by

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Speaker 1: the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced

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Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 1: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen to Ghosted by Roz

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Speaker 1: Hernandez on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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