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Speaker 1: with our music. Episode three eighty eight Martina McBride, Well,

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Speaker 1: what a good good job, Mike, I know you worked

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Speaker 1: So super cool. You can go check her out on

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Speaker 1: the road Martina McBride dot com. She's in Louisiana, Missisippi, Alabama, Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: all coming up May through June four CMA Vocalists of

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Speaker 1: the high school was really the hub of the whole town.

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Speaker 1: So so the band that you were in with your

425
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: your dad, your family band was it called the Shifters?

426
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 1: And so was he a musician when he was younger?

427
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: Did he ever try, like I'm gonna give this the

428
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 1: real try to make it as an artist or was

429
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 1: he always just someone who loved it recreationally and got

430
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: pretty good at it. Yeah? I think so. I mean

431
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 1: he was he was a farmer as well, and a woodworker,

432
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: built houses and things like that, and he like entered

433
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: some contests when he was a kid, but just never

434
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: really thought of actually like picking up and moving to Nashville.

435
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 1: Is it because nobody else did it? So he didn't

436
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 1: know it was a real thing. I don't know, because

437
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: that was nobody else I knew did it either. But

438
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: it was a whole different, you know, generation, But like

439
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I mean, I think he was

440
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: really really happy playing in that local band. It was

441
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 1: kind of a big deal. We were like, you know,

442
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: regionally respected, and we worked a lot and I think that,

443
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, that was that was good for him, And

444
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean that was probably good enough for him. How

445
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: was he when it came to you doing your own thing?

446
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: Support wise? Very supportive. My parents were both very supportive.

447
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: They always said, you know, we didn't come from a

448
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: lot of like college graduates, so it was going to

449
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: college wasn't really that important? It was you know for me.

450
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: I think everybody we just always assumed that I would

451
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: sing in some capacity. And they always said when I

452
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: when I decided to move to Nashville, my husband and

453
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 1: I decided to move to Nashville. We'd just gotten married

454
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 1: about a year before that, um or two years. My

455
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 1: parents were always like, look, somebody's got to make it right.

456
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: Like literally, maybe tomorrow there's going to be a new

457
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: artist that gets signed and makes a record. Why couldn't

458
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: it be you? If you get in the right place

459
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: at the right time, and you work really hard, why not?

460
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: Why not you? And I was like, yeah, so I

461
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: think you know, probably like you when you have when

462
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: you have when you grew up with something that you

463
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: it's just kind of part of you. You have a confidence,

464
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, especially when you're young. If a confidence that

465
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: I could probably do this little naive, little confidence. Yeah,

466
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: it's a real lethal mix it. Yeah, And I think

467
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: you have to see it, Like I think you have

468
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: to be able to visualize walk. I'm like, for me,

469
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: I always visualize walking up on CMA steps and accepting

470
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: an award. You know, I think you have to see it,

471
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: otherwise you won't go for it, especially if there's no

472
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: one around you that can tell you that it can

473
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: be a reality. I mean, a mountain Pine, Arkansas, nobody left,

474
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: we worked at the mill, or you worked in Hot Springs.

475
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: That was it. And so there was never anybody that

476
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: was like, this is a reality, you can actually pursue it.

477
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: But at the same point, there was nobody said it.

478
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: You couldn't. It was just a TV thing. It was

479
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: like fairy tale. Yeah, probably like moving to Nashville. Yeah,

480
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: but to have parents that were so optimistic, Yeah, like

481
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: what an asset for a kid? Yeah? Oh absolutely. And

482
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, also just being able to watch the CMA

483
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: Awards or watch he Harror, watch whatever we watched and

484
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: see you know, Loretta Lynn and Tanya Tucker and Riba

485
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 1: and all of these amazing women doing that. I mean,

486
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: you just saw you saw yourself there, You're like, well

487
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: I could do that. I mean she's from Oklahoma, you know,

488
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: a little town in Oklahoma, little town in Kentucky. Like

489
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: they came from small towns. Why couldn't I do that?

490
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: When you were singing as a kid, when did people

491
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: start to treat you special, like, oh, you're better than

492
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: other kids at that age doing that thing. It's interesting

493
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm very Kansas is very Midwestern and

494
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and praise isn't really something

495
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: that's bandied about, Like it's not really freely given, so

496
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: they think you're going to get an ego or a

497
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: big head or something. So like kids are like, I

498
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: think I recognize that people recognize that what I did

499
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: was good. I was the only kid that did it.

500
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: Like everybody else was into sports and things like that,

501
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: so but it wasn't nobody was going around going, oh

502
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: my god, you're you're you know what I mean? So

503
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: I think I probably recognize that it made people pay

504
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: attention and made people happy. When I was probably about

505
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: seven years old, that is a lot younger than I

506
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: thought you were going to say, Ye, could you like

507
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: nail pitch? At seven? Yeah? You know, I was a belter,

508
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: you know I was, And I didn't have any lessons.

509
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: We didn't have like my lessons that were in high school.

510
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: The way I learned to sing was from listening to

511
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: records and singing along with records like Linda Ronstadt records,

512
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: Bonnie Rate records, Rebo records, um and singing those cover

513
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: songs in the band. That was really how I learned

514
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: to increase my range and try to match their nuances.

515
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: And they're all of it, you know, how long they

516
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: held notes, how big the sound was, And so I

517
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: forgot your question. But well, just about other kids treating

518
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: you different and you at seven being able to hit

519
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: just match a pitch at all, but you did. You

520
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: just got it from listening. I just got it from listening.

521
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: And you know, we we lived way. I didn't live

522
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: in the town, the booming town of Sharon, Kansas. I

523
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: lived on a farm about ten miles away the suburb

524
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: of Sharon. Obviously. Yes, it was like literally ten miles

525
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: down or eight miles down a dirt road and then

526
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: there's a house. And my grandparents lived a mile down

527
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: the road before he got to my house. So it's

528
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: very isolated and we my mom didn't drive. So until

529
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 1: we could drive, we were just come home from school.

530
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: You're there, like you're not going to run around and

531
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: go down to the corner, you know what I mean.

532
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: It's just like so my parents always had instruments for

533
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: us though piano, guitar. We had little tape recorders that

534
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: we would record ourselves messing around on the out, you know,

535
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: in the utility room. And my brother, my younger brother.

536
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: So that was our entertainment and records. And I can

537
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: remember having kids home from school, like my classmates to

538
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: play after school or to stale night or whatever, and

539
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: we would I would be playing them all these records

540
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: and they they just didn't. I found a friend in

541
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: high school that was a little older of me that

542
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: loved music like I did. But you know, most of

543
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: the kids in my school were just not that interested.

544
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: It was just music. It was just like background, you know.

545
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: And so I would we would sit and listen to

546
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: records and they after about thirty minutes, they'd be like,

547
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: is this all we're gonna do? Like, let me go

548
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: outside and blay. I'm like, yeah, okay. Your music maturation,

549
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: I guess jumped quickly because that's what you had a

550
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: lot of at the house. Yeah, what did your parents

551
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: care what kind of music you listen to? Were the

552
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: rules on what you couldn't listen to? Um at twelve, thirteen,

553
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: fourteen years old, I don't know if it was rules,

554
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: but there was they they My my dad was a

555
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: country fan, like he like I somehow my old I

556
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: have an older brother and an older sister. My older

557
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: brother was into like Credence, clear Water and um, I

558
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: don't know, just like really cool rock bands, and my

559
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: sister was into pop living Newton John and Casey and

560
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: the Sunshine Band whatever it was on the radio, and

561
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: so I got those influences from there. But when we

562
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: were in the car, it was specifically with my parents

563
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: country music. And my mom loved like she loved more

564
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: like crooners like um, like Nashville sound type croner. Yeah, No,

565
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: like like you know, like Frank Sinatra. We didn't have

566
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: any Frank sat Yeah, I got it, got it, like

567
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: the rat Pack guy Boubley now yeah. Yeah. And my

568
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: dad love he did love Ray Charles, and so we

569
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: did have Ray Charles records and Eda James. But then

570
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: I got into high school and I got into like

571
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: like my first concert that I went to without my parents.

572
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: Was Ozzy Osbourne, right, the Blizzard of Oz tour. It's

573
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: it was so like rock and roll and was so

574
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: exciting to me. And um so some of that music

575
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I would listen to with headphones. Yeah, you finished high school,

576
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: you go to college. Now, you mentioned college a minute ago,

577
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: because there wasn't a lot of college graduates in your family.

578
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: Same here, so it was a whole new world to me. Again,

579
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: I'm I'm somewhere. I don't really have anybody to lean

580
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: on to go How do I do this? How was

581
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: your experience to college short lived? I went to a

582
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: community college. I got a UM dollarship for music and

583
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: academic and I went there. Okay, so but we like

584
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: my kids grew up in Nashville and had all of

585
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: this college prep. They've got a college counselor, they've got

586
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: all of these people that helped them know what to expect,

587
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: help them with the application process, all of that stuff. Okay.

588
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: I had the opposite of college prep. I had no

589
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: college prep. So I show up, I'm literally so overwhelmed.

590
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't know this whole schedule thing, you know, and

591
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: how you have to find your classes and it was

592
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: just completely overwhelming to me. Plus I was living off campus,

593
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: I was singing in a rock band, and I was

594
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: working at dairy Queen. I had a boyfriend, so I

595
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: had a lot going on that was pulling me in

596
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of directions. But I went one semester and

597
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't know what I'm doing at all.

598
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: The fact that you came from such a small school,

599
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: and I'll speak from my experience as well, it's more

600
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: than just I having college prep as well. It's like

601
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: a culture change. Yeah, going from ten kids in a

602
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: class too, it doesn't matter our community college aid side

603
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: school like that is like moving to New York City

604
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: or to Yeah. So it not only was wow, nobody

605
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: family has ever been in college before. I'd never been

606
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: around so many people, right, Yeah, and it's always all

607
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: been on me. But now I'm having to go and

608
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: do the same thing. Yeah. And so speaking of your

609
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: rock band, The Penetrators, Yeah, yeah, well we're in a room.

610
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: Who says, well, okay. In my defense, I was seventeen

611
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: years old when I joined that band, and I've lived

612
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: a pretty sheltered life and we didn't have the you know,

613
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: Internet or anything like that. Three channels on the TV.

614
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: One was fuzzy, so like I just didn't get it,

615
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: like I'd really not until I think years later then

616
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: when somebody said something, I was like, oh my god.

617
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, the penetrators will penetrate you

618
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: with our music. What role did you have when you

619
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: entered the band at first? Were you pure front front man? Yeah,

620
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: like that's it. And did they not have a singer

621
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: before or we just way better than the one they

622
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: already had They had one and she quit or moved

623
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: or something, and so yeah, they actually one of the

624
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: guys in the band owned worked at a like a

625
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: music store that my parents frequented, you know when we'd

626
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,239
Speaker 1: go to the big townel Wichita or whatever. So they

627
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: actually came down and talked set in our living room

628
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: and talked to my parents. They were these were older

629
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, well I guess they're probably in their mid

630
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: twenties thirties, and said, you know, we want more tea.

631
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Looking back on it, it seems like a blur. I

632
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: don't really recognitantly remember like having that. I kind of

633
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: remember sitting there going, Okay, these guys want me to

634
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: sing in their rock band. I'm going to be a

635
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: rock star. I love it, you know. And my parents

636
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: were like, well you seem like good, good people, you know,

637
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: they kind of gave their blessing. And I spent the

638
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: next year and a half riding around in a van

639
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: with a hole in the floor, you know, pooling all

640
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: of our money together to get two jars of peanut

641
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: butter and two loaves of bread, and like that's what

642
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: we were going to eat for the week, you know

643
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like just playing locally but scream

644
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: like singing Pat Benatar and Heart and Journey and it

645
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: was it was fun. Well, you have to be nourished

646
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: if you were, can penetrate properly? Yeah, yeah, I mean

647
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: I completely understand have your protein absolutely. You mentioned those

648
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: three artists, Like what I was gonna ask, like what

649
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: songs do you hear and remind you of that time period,

650
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: like if you hear it on the radio or playing

651
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: at Walgreens. You mentioned Journey, like don't stop believing anything

652
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: like we did anyway you want it? Oh, yeah, good,

653
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: anyway you want it? And we did Pat Annatar, we

654
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: did uh oh my gosh, the best shot. Hey, I

655
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: don't know if we did that one. I did that

656
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: live every once in a while now, but we did

657
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Promises in the Dark, we did um Fire and Ice.

658
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: It's probably a little bit later Pat Benatar, because I

659
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: remember when Pat Benatar came out. I was at my

660
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: grandmother's I was folding clothes and I was listening to

661
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: Casey Kason's Top forty and Heartbreaker came on the radio

662
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is that. I was so

663
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: knocked out by that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then later

664
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: I got to do Crossroads with Pat Benatar, which was

665
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: and when it all comes back, unbelievable. Was that like

666
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: one of the coolest Yeah, for sure for me, if

667
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: I get to hang out with people that I loved

668
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: as a kid, it's way cooler than somebody that could

669
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: be massive, like in celebrity stature. Yeah, but for me

670
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: to be able to remember, like John Michael Montgomery right,

671
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: like he's been over here and we and to him,

672
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: he's just John and loves in Kentucky, drove down listen

673
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: to the show. But I'm like, I don't know if

674
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: I need to remind you you're John Michael mcgomery. Like

675
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: that to me is super cool because as a kid,

676
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: listen to a lot. Yeah, and so for you to

677
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: be able to do that, that's awesome. It was awesome,

678
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: and it was so surreal because I thought to myself, Okay,

679
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: never in a million years would I have dreamed that

680
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: I would be on stage with Pat Benatar singing her songs.

681
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: But then also, I have songs that she's going to

682
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: learn and sing. That's so that's even beyond like but no,

683
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm it's not lost on me. Like when I was

684
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: standing on the stage a couple of weeks ago with

685
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: Winona and Tanya Tucker and me, and I'm like an Tanya,

686
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, with like put her arm around me, like,

687
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, what am I doing here? Like, yeah,

688
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. And when you when you kind of

689
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: allow yourself to look at it that way, yeah, that's

690
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: super cool. The Penetrators, how long do you guys play

691
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: before you stopped penetrating? It was pretty short lived. It

692
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: seemed like a long time, but I think it was

693
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: probably I don't know, because I moved to Which's Hodd

694
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: to sing in another band five nights a week at

695
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: a club when I was probably eighteen, so maybe eight

696
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: months a year at eighteen? Did you kind of have

697
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: it figured out somehow? Someway you were going to sing, like,

698
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: oh yeah, did you know you would go to Nashville

699
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: eventually or was it let's just see where it takes me. No.

700
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: I always dreamed of making records and doing, you know,

701
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: doing the big thing, but I couldn't at that point

702
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: in my life eighteen nineteen twenty, really settle on country music.

703
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: I was kind of rebet. I was kind of like

704
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: singing all kinds of music. So I was singing with

705
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: this cover band. I was singing everything from Marita Franklin

706
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: to Whitney Houston to Madonna to you know, just whatever

707
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: was on the radio at the time, plus some classics

708
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: like that. And I love that too. So I was like,

709
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm really ready to go and

710
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: do country music full time. And I had an aha moment.

711
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: I had to quit singing for a while because I

712
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: was I was like waiting tables and singing in clubs

713
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: five nights a week, and I started to get like

714
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: some vocal fatigue and that they did a scope and said,

715
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have nodules, but they're starting. It's

716
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: not looking good. You should probably take some time off

717
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: from singing. So I did and in the meantime. Of course,

718
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't just completely take out sings, so I started

719
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: singing harmony vocals in this country band, these two brothers

720
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: called the Feller Brothers that played locally, so I'd go

721
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: and sit in and sing harmony. And then I started

722
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: singing with my dad's band a little bit again, and

723
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: we did a battle of the bands, which is so weird.

724
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: We never did that the entire time I was growing up.

725
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: Your dad, me and my dad in that band. Yeah,

726
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: And it was at a club and it was in Wichita,

727
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: and we did this battle of the bands, and something

728
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: clicked for me, like a light bulb went off, and

729
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: I said, I said. One of the DJs that was

730
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: judging the contest actually said to me, I don't know

731
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: what you're going to do with your singing, because I

732
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: know you're singing a lot of other stuff, but I

733
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: hope you decided to sing country music, because you know

734
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: that would be really great. And I that comment coupled

735
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: with the experience of singing that music again and realizing

736
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: how important the lyrics were, how important the singer is,

737
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: it just felt like home to me. I said to

738
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: my mom. She was there. She ran the soundboard actually

739
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: for the band, and I said, I think I've made

740
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: a decision. I'm going to move to Nashville and pursue

741
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: a career in country music. And I told my I asked,

742
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, didn't tell my husband, Well kind of, maybe

743
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: I kind of did. I think I said I want

744
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: to move to Nashville. And he had a local sound

745
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: company that was doing you know, local sound and touring

746
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: a little bit regionally. Um, And he was like, all right,

747
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: let's go, and he moved his entire sound company. We

748
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: didn't know. We knew John Kay from Steppenwolf because John

749
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: had worked with him and toured with him doing monitors, um,

750
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: but we really didn't know anybody, and we talk about

751
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: naive like I would go. I knew I had to

752
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: find songs, so I'd go to these publishing companies and

753
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: walk up down walk up and down music row and

754
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: knock on the door and say I'm a singer and

755
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: I want to get a record deal. Can you play

756
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: me some songs that I can records for demos? And

757
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: they're like, um, sure, come on in. Like it was

758
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: so odd that they were probably slightly welcoming but confused. Yeah,

759
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: like this is really not how it works. But okay,

760
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: you know right, wow, So okay, were you married? You

761
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: were married at the time, Yeah, you and your husband,

762
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: so how long he'd been married? Therefore we moved. We

763
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: got married in May of nineteen eighty eight, and we

764
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: moved here January of nineteen ninety. That's a that's a

765
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: pretty adventurous first year and a half. Yeah, so you

766
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: get here, you don't know anybody, You're walking up and down.

767
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: How did you even known music row was a thing? Though? Well,

768
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: we ran into We came down before we moved and

769
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: made a demo and actually we went in to see

770
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: this guy at a publishing company that John Kay had known,

771
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a friend of a friend,

772
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: and sat down with him and played him a demo

773
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: that we had made back in Kansas, and he said,

774
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: that's not good. That's not going to cut it. Like,

775
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, that's not good enough. You need to find real,

776
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: real musicians. It was recording a warehouse. It was like, really, echoy,

777
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: He's like, you need to find a studio records. And

778
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: he gave us a list of names of people that

779
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: maybe could help us do that, studio musicians, and John

780
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: made a couple of calls, and I think the third

781
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: person he called was a bass player named Mike Chapman,

782
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: who said, yeah, I can. I got a friend, Lonnie Wilson,

783
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: who's a drummer played on sons on my records. Do

784
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: you know Lonnie, I know who is so great? And

785
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: he said, he's got a studio in his like reck

786
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: room or garage or whatever. How about tonight put a

787
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: little band together. You can come out Because we were

788
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: only in town for like three days. And I went

789
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: out there and we recorded, Um, I don't need a

790
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: couple of original songs that one of the one of

791
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: the musicians had said here, you can record these songs.

792
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, I like these songs and took

793
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: it back to the guy the next day and he said, yeah,

794
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: that's good enough. That's that's a real demo, right, so

795
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: um so yeah, it was. It was just it was

796
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: just like meant to be. I guess what sounds very

797
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: divine in that the battle of bands happens, whether you

798
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: had your awha moment where somebody happened to be there

799
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: and go, hey, I would like to give you affirmation

800
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: that what you're doing here is the right thing. Like

801
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: all those little particles came together, and then you knew

802
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: somebody that knew somebody, and that person first of all

803
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: not only helped let's do it tonight, but it's also

804
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: like still that same game. He's still in your life. Yeah, yeah,

805
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean all of that's not coincidental, right, but pretty

806
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: cool that when the dominoes fell, we aren't afraid to

807
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: kind of go with them, because that's also brave. Yeah,

808
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: you know to here you are, You're I don't know

809
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: how how old you at this time twenty two? Okay,

810
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: I'll make a demo with guests musicians here. How did

811
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: you feel singing with experts? Did that? Because again they're

812
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: the bad they're they're doing studio work. You gotta be

813
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: really good to do that kind of stuff. Yeah, did

814
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: you think about that at all? Are you just like

815
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: I can saying, let's go, I don't remember I journal,

816
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: I have to look up, I gotta go. I'm say

817
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back through and read all of

818
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: my journals because your perception of things and how it

819
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: really happened are different. But um, I think I was

820
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: probably just nervous and blown away and kind of like,

821
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: but let's do this. You know, it's kind of quite

822
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: equal parts of because because you know, I was in

823
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: my element musically but out of my element situationally. You know.

824
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you come back with that demo,

825
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: do you when you move here, do you start passing

826
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: it around? Are you duplicating it? Or are you like, Okay,

827
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: this will get me into another room where I can

828
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: then record even more or our songs. Yeah. We I

829
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: think we ended up borrowing some money to move here,

830
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: and we set up this was like a two song demo.

831
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: So the song the next demo that we made was

832
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: the one where the songwriter said, here record these songs,

833
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: and um, we went to we went to Fireside I think,

834
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: and recorded the tracks for like five songs, which I

835
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: just found that demo the other day, by the way,

836
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: and um, then we were Then we went to the

837
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: Music Mill, which was it was a big studio here

838
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: at the time, and recorded the vocals and then we

839
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: so we pitched that around to every record company. Got

840
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: turned down by everybody. Why, I don't know. They just said,

841
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: we're not looking it's not what we're looking for. Standard answer,

842
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: it ain't for us. Yeah, And then I made a

843
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: second demo, This is all all within about a year

844
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: year and a half, and um John was out as

845
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: production manager for garth At that he'd got that job

846
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: in the meantime, and so I made it. We made

847
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: a second demo, and I Mike Chapman, the original bass

848
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: player guy, said you know you need to do somebody

849
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: had told me at a publishing company size singing demos.

850
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: They said, we think we hear that OURCA is looking

851
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: to sign a female artist, and I was like, okay.

852
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: So Mike Chapman said, you need to put your demo

853
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: in an envelope and you need to write they don't

854
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: just take stuff off the street, which I didn't know.

855
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: You got to write on their requested material and put

856
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: a phone number on it. And I was like all right.

857
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: So I went down to Kinko's and I got this

858
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: bright purple envelope and wrote I think John actually wrote

859
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: requested material Martina McBride and a phone number. And about

860
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: three weeks later we got a phone call from Josh Leo,

861
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: the head of A and R at the label who

862
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: and they wanted to see a showcase, and we heard

863
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: through the grapevine there was like me and two or

864
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: three other girls. So we put together a band. We

865
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: went to ASA clubs, we did a showcase, and they

866
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: came back that night and said, come in tomorrow and

867
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: you've got a record deal. Why all that that advice

868
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: of just write requested material on there so they'll think

869
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: that they actually were the ones who wanted this, that

870
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: that act that paid off. Obviously it was you who closed.

871
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: But sometimes you can have all the talent in the world,

872
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: but if you don't have a way to get that

873
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: talent to where it needs to go, it's a tree

874
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: fallen in the woods. Yeah, that is so crazy. He's like,

875
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: just write requested material and they'll just believe they wanted

876
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: it and that they were the ones. We're in control

877
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, and that's it worked. And you know,

878
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: on my I think my fortieth birthday, Randy Talmas, the

879
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: head of A and R, gave me that envelope. He'd

880
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: saved it all those years and he framed it and

881
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: gave it to me and now I think it's in

882
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: my Hall of Fame exhibits. So it's yeah, it's it's wild,

883
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I just think that some things

884
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: are meant to be and if you can meet it,

885
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, if you have enough enough determination and sort

886
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: of passion and perseverance to meet it where it is,

887
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, then it's then it, like you said, the

888
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: dominos start to fall, Yeah, and it's okay to fall

889
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: with him. We interrupt this interview to bring you a

890
00:42:54,200 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: message from our sponsor. This is the Bobby Cast. So

891
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: you've been married thirty five or so years almost so,

892
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: got married for the first time about a year ago.

893
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: Never been married, was never engaged, was never in a

894
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: serious anything. Ever, She's the first person I ever told

895
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: that I loved, because she was the first person I loved. Right,

896
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: So I'm a little stunted in that part of my

897
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: life because I was just so dedicated to my career

898
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: and met her and it's been a year, year, a

899
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: year and a half or so. What is there is?

900
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: I know there's no universal key. You can't give me

901
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: a key to the city and I open every door

902
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: with it. What is it? What's what's the secret that's

903
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: not that secret that it's just right in front of me.

904
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: I think it's determination and deciding. You kind of decide

905
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna stick. I mean, unless there's abuse or

906
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, if it's just really not healthy. That's a

907
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: whole different thing, right, But like, if it's healthy and

908
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: you found your person who wants to grow with you

909
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: and encourages you and you makes you laugh every day

910
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: and has a sense of adventure and all some of

911
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: the really important things, then you just decide we're in this.

912
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: And there's going to be times when you know, maybe

913
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: you go, oh my god, what have I done? You

914
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean for him and me? But you

915
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: go that passes, it passes, or you talk about it,

916
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: or maybe it was just a mood or a season,

917
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: and then you just you know, you then you start

918
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: to have all these shared experiences and I don't know,

919
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: I think you honestly, I think you just decide to

920
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: be dedicated to it if it's a good relationship. Whenever

921
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: your success really started to grow, and as a new

922
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: artist that has a bit of momentum, you're gone. A

923
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: lot people think new artists are just making tons of money,

924
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: and new artists are not grinding harder than anybody. Yeah,

925
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: making no money. How was that for the relationship with

926
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: you and your husband? Was that a really hard time

927
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: or was he able to take what he does and

928
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: take that along a little bit of both, so he

929
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: was my sound engineer on the road, so he did.

930
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: We did travel together and we still do that. Really

931
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: may I think made things easier than if it would

932
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: have been a different situation because we get to share

933
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: everything together. We've kind of grown through this together. And

934
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: but when we were first get when I first got

935
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: a record deal, he tells the story of how, you know,

936
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: he was kind of like my manager for lack of

937
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: not really, but you know what I mean, he was

938
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: like the biggest he wrote on the envelope. He went

939
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: and dropped it off. He was like a big supporter.

940
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: And so you know, we go do this thing. Ourca

941
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: used to have this thing during country radio seminar that

942
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: was like a boat show. So he went on this

943
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: General Jackson boat and all of the radio people were

944
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: there and it was like a showcase, like you did

945
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: your new material or whatever. So the first time I

946
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: went on there, my promo guy, my radio guy, came

947
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: and got me and said, I want to take you

948
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: run and introduce you to some people. And John says,

949
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: it's like he just like you just left with the

950
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: real people, you know what I mean, and left and

951
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: he was kind of left standing there. And also a

952
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: lot of people weren't. He had to go through a

953
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: lot of things where until people get to know him

954
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: and respect him and not see him as that the

955
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: husband that was going to be in the way, or

956
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, all of those stereotypes that people have. So

957
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: it was I would say it was harder for him

958
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: than me. But you know, once people spend any time

959
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: with him and recognize his talent and his passion and

960
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: his heart, you know then that that came around nineteen

961
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: ninety three, you get inducted into the Grand ol Opry.

962
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: You mentioned Lauretta in earlier, she's the one who does it.

963
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that night? It was part

964
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: of a television special. It's like an anniversary of the opry.

965
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: And Loretta is so funny. She came, she came to

966
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: do the rehearsal and they gave you. They gave me

967
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: a plaque and she said, well, during rehearsal, she said,

968
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: is this is this what I'm supposed to give you?

969
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: This is what you get for joining the opry? And

970
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I guess though, and so she said

971
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: she kind of laughed, and during the ceremony she said,

972
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: welcome to the opera, honey, this is what you get.

973
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: That's super cool that it was her and she's the

974
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: one like just first want anything with her. Yeah, but

975
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: she's the one inducting you into the greatest country music

976
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: space in the history of the world, the Grand Ole Opry.

977
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: Like what a special memory. Did you know that she

978
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: was going to be inducting you before like rehearsals with it,

979
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: because sometimes you know, they the invite us a surprise.

980
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: Was that a surprise to you? Yeah, but they didn't

981
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: do it like they did. They didn't just show up

982
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: and surprise you at performance. I went to lunch with

983
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: the head of the opera and he asked me at lunch,

984
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: and and then and then I got to I got

985
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: to invite. I got to ask who I wanted to

986
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: induct me. So you chose, all right, okay, man. Being

987
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: told at lunch by someone who an executive is like

988
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: being proposed on the phone. It was like, I mean,

989
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: you're still getting married and that's awesome, but you didn't

990
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: even get on a knee. Yeah. I don't think they

991
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: did it like that back then. Now I love how

992
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: they do it now where they I got to be

993
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: that person for Charlie Daniels, I got to ask him

994
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: to join the opera and he didn't know you were there.

995
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: You guys kept it completely secret. That's that's the greatest.

996
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: Those videos where people are surprised. Just dude, I would

997
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: say the history, because you're right. They didn't do it

998
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: like that twenty five years ago. I think like twenty

999
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: years they started doing it a little bit. But those

1000
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: videos where people get surprised and they're awesome only second

1001
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: to whenever somebody for the military comes home and surprises

1002
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: are kids. Man, those are good too. But I don't

1003
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: like when they show the videos of the dogs with

1004
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: one eye and Saidarah McLaughlin sings those videos that don't like.

1005
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: I like what they're doing. I just don't like those videos. Yeah,

1006
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: Like you know what comes to me? You sign a

1007
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: record deal ninety one? How fast until you actually take

1008
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: off and have a hit from the moment you signed

1009
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: until you're on the radio and you got a number

1010
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: one song? Yeah it was a second record. I didn't

1011
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: have a number one song to the third record. Wild

1012
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: Angels was my first number one. It actually just happened

1013
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: the other day. I think it was in nineteen ninety six,

1014
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: So it took six five or six years to really

1015
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: get to that place. But i'd be four wild angels.

1016
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: I had Independence Day and I had my first three Independence.

1017
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't a number one song, No, it was number ten.

1018
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: Maybe Again, I'm just the consumer here the song that

1019
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: I would know you for the most. Yeah, it wasn't

1020
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: even a number one song, right, that's a whole story. Like,

1021
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, we had a lot of resistance at radio

1022
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: with that song because the subject matter, and I think

1023
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: it was really because she burned the house down, you know,

1024
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: it was like she was taking she took action that

1025
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: just didn't set very well with a lot of radio people. Bizarre.

1026
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: And so it's funny because I was so passionate about

1027
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: that song, like it literally changed my life, not only

1028
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: career wise, but just my awareness and my you know,

1029
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: wanted to try to help some way, and all the

1030
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: letters that I got and the people that I talked

1031
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: to and heard their stories and it was so big

1032
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: for me. And so my probown guy once again, Mike Wilson,

1033
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: came to me and he said, I think we're losing

1034
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: the song. I don't think that it's gonna take it.

1035
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, what, how is this possible? And

1036
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: he goes, well, there's there's a you know, maybe twenty

1037
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: stations that won't won't refuse to play it, And I said,

1038
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: can I talk to them? Can you give me their numbers?

1039
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: And I want to have a conversation and he was like,

1040
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: uh sure, I guess, like that's not usually done, but

1041
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: I guess though, And so I got on the phone

1042
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: with these guys and I was just like, talk to me, like,

1043
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: tell me what is it? And some of them would say,

1044
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: we just don't think it's appropriate that it's on our station.

1045
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: And I said, and oddly enough, this is right. Independence

1046
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: Day came out maybe seven weeks before Nicole Brown Simson

1047
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: was murdered, so all of a sudden it was on

1048
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: that story was everywhere, and so I was I said,

1049
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because you're talking about domestic violence

1050
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: every every day, several times a day on your newscasts, right,

1051
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: yet you don't feel like this song can can be

1052
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: listened to or whatever. And I turned a couple few

1053
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: of them around. There were ten stations that never did

1054
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: play it, but but I was able to they would

1055
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: give it a chance. You know. One guy said to

1056
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: me that video like if I'm sitting with my daughter

1057
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: and that video comes on. Then I have to talk

1058
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: to her and explain things, and I'm like, yeah, dude,

1059
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: that's maybe not a bad idea. So it was interesting.

1060
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: It's just a different time, you know, is it when

1061
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: people just think that song is about fourth of July? Yeah,

1062
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: like on fourth of July you hear the song and no,

1063
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: it's not the same thing. Guy talking about literal Independence

1064
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: Day of America. Yeah, because sometimes I'll be like, it's

1065
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: your July for the playlist and oh all that every year. Yeah, yeah,

1066
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: Independence Day comes on. I think I think that's what

1067
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier. How sometimes you can just

1068
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: sing a song for years and not really ever. You

1069
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: kind of just sing the chorus and you're distracted during

1070
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: the verses or whatever. Because I think a lot of

1071
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: people don't know what that song is about still, But

1072
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: then so many people do, and that's you know, that's

1073
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: the song that I've heard and thought to myself, somebody

1074
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: needs to hear this song. This is going to be

1075
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: the song for somebody. Yeah, And then I get letters

1076
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: people saying that's what I got in the car and

1077
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: I heard that song on the radio, and that's I

1078
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: decided I'm out of here. I've had enough, right, So

1079
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: it's like that's the power. That's not me. That's the

1080
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: power of music and the power of a song. Let's

1081
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,

1082
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. Three questions for

1083
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: you when you finally win for female vocalists, because you

1084
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: grow up a couple of times in like the late nineties,

1085
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: but in like maybe two thousand and three or so,

1086
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: I think you won the first time three in row.

1087
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: By the way, it was like bam, bam bam. Yeah

1088
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: it was ninety nine. Is that you won ninety nine? Okay,

1089
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: So the first time you win and you had always

1090
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: been able to envision yourself winning, did you have that

1091
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: moment while it was happening where you're like, I've always

1092
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: like it while it was happening, like I always could

1093
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: see this and now it's actually happening. Yeah, kind of. Yeah,

1094
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: it was like not an out of body experience, but

1095
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: like it's so okay, I want to say this and

1096
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: have it come off as an in aconceited way because

1097
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm not, but and it's not where it's coming from.

1098
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: But like, like it goes back to what I was

1099
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: saying before, you kind of have to believe it. You

1100
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of have to believe it otherwise all of the

1101
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: rejection and the and the being away from home and

1102
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: the traveling and the recording and all of the stuff

1103
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: that you do is you know, you have to believe it.

1104
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: It's going to pay off in that moment as as

1105
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: in that moment. So you know, there was a I

1106
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it might have been even four or

1107
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: five years we were nominated and didn't win, and and

1108
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: you you just go, what's going to happen. It's gonna happen.

1109
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: So you still believed it was going to happen. Yeah, Yeah,

1110
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: when you got that close and didn't, Yeah, because it

1111
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: was too maybe premature, Like I feel like we One

1112
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: thing I'm really that was a good feeling for me

1113
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: was when we finally won. I felt like we'd been

1114
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: around long enough to kind of deserve it in a way,

1115
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: and my team, you know, everybody that worked so hard,

1116
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: they it was rewarding. It was just kind of like, oh,

1117
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm so glad it didn't happen too fast. I'm so glad.

1118
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm kind of in the industry and

1119
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: that people really wanted me to win, maybe so, but yeah,

1120
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: there's that moment where you go, well, this is it,

1121
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, the first times that you didn't win. Are

1122
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: you like listening for mum and is it deflating or

1123
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: is it? Do you really feel anytime I ever lose,

1124
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm not honored to be there? Right, I'm like this sucked? Yeah?

1125
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: Or are you honored just to be there? And You're

1126
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: like I'll get him next time? Like it? Like, yeah,

1127
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: I was kind of like that. I was really because

1128
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: I would look at the category and the other females

1129
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: in the category and I was just like wow, wow,

1130
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: like it's so amazing that I'm even in the same

1131
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: like these people even know. I remember when I walked

1132
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: past Alan Jackson one time at an award show, probably

1133
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: the first CMA Awards I went to, and he's in

1134
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: the front row and I walked by him and kind of,

1135
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, I was I'm not I'm kind of an introvert,

1136
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: really honestly extroverted introvert. So I'm not the kind of

1137
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm always the kind of person that doesn't want to

1138
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: go up to somebody and introduce myself. I don't want

1139
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: to bother them, you know, what I mean. But I

1140
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: walked past him and I just kind of looked at

1141
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: him and thought to myself, Oh God, that's Allen Jackson.

1142
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: And he said I love your stuf, and I was like,

1143
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, Alan Jackson knows who I am and

1144
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: has heard my music. What in the world you know?

1145
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: So it's it was like that. I don't think it

1146
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: came off. I conceded at all. And I'm a big

1147
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: believer in what I would call a healthy arrogance it

1148
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: because if I don't have it, if I don't believe

1149
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: in me so much, nobody else is going to yeah,

1150
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: like I have to because at times other people are

1151
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna go yeah or nope, or I don't know, prove it.

1152
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: But if I don't believe in me and I don't

1153
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: believe what I'm putting out, it's worth people buying a

1154
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: ticket if I'm doing a comedy show or spending twenty

1155
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: minutes with me in the morning or reading a book.

1156
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: If I don't believe it and I don't believe it's great,

1157
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: nobody else will. Yeah, that's true. So I have to

1158
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: be that, and I have no problem. It's just for me.

1159
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: At times I think I get so insecure that that

1160
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: healthy arrogance tends to come off the other way because

1161
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm so insecure that it's like, well, I got a

1162
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: prove to everybody that I don't take any crap, and

1163
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: let's let's go. That's my problem. When things started to

1164
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: really pop for me, I had to There are a

1165
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: couple times where I had to be like, WHOA, we

1166
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: got to check yourself. Luckily, I have that awareness. I

1167
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: was going to say, you're aware of Luckily, yeah, did

1168
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: when it? Did you ever have to have that talk

1169
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: with you That's a weird question to ask where you're like, oh,

1170
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: it's hitting now, like let's make sure we make these

1171
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: some wise decisions, not because of an arrogance thing or

1172
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: insecurity really, but you know, I just it took me

1173
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: a really long time to realize that I had some power.

1174
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, nobody tells you that when you start out.

1175
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: They're like, there's all kinds of people that want you

1176
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: to do what they think you should do. And I

1177
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: mean everybody from video directors to art directors to producers

1178
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: to everybody executives. And it took I think it was

1179
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: my husband actually that said, you know you they're kind

1180
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: of working for you in a way, and I was like,

1181
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, so then you kind of you

1182
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: can kind of assert your power over your creativity and

1183
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: your own persona and how you see you over yourself,

1184
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: and that can get pretty heavy. So sometimes I feel like,

1185
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: especially I don't you know, as a woman, I kind

1186
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: of had to check that a little bit just to

1187
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: not alienate everyone. Makes sense, Yeah, absolutely it does. My

1188
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: final question, it's kind of a two parter. If you

1189
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: go to your home, inside your home, what is your

1190
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: favorite professional picture that you have that if somebody could

1191
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: stumble across it's in a frame somewhere. And what is

1192
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: your favorite personal picture that you have that somebody could

1193
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: just stumble across and be like, oh look at this,

1194
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: Oh you're duck hunting. I don't know what, but give me,

1195
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: give me both of them. Okay, well, I don't really

1196
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: have any professional pictures of me framed, but nothing like

1197
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: you had a singing it's the opery anything at all?

1198
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: Any not in my house. But a friend of mine,

1199
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: Nathan Chapman, who I think has been on this show.

1200
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: I love him. Yeah, saw him. We played the Rheman. Yeah, yeah,

1201
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: he does. He's an amazing human being. And my favorite

1202
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: bass player. Really no offense to all the other bass

1203
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: players out there, but he's so good and he's a

1204
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: great singer and a musician and I just love him.

1205
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: I can't see enough good things. But he also, because

1206
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: he's good at everything he does, is an amazing photographer.

1207
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: So he called me up a few weeks ago and said,

1208
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: can I jump on your bus and just I just

1209
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: want to come out and shoot photos. I was like absolutely,

1210
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: So he took this photo of me two actually, one

1211
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: me going up the stairs to the stage and it's

1212
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of blurring out of focus. It's so iconic, and

1213
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: then another one of me on stage from the back,

1214
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: which is my best angle, by the way, and there's

1215
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: nothing for me to critique or pull pick apart. It's

1216
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: like it's the back of my head. My hair looks good,

1217
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: it's fine, and so um that picture. And I haven't

1218
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: got him framed yet, but he made me huge prints,

1219
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: like like as big as that when you have here,

1220
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: So I'm probably gonna frame a couple. That's super cool.

1221
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: What about personally, My one of my favorite pictures is

1222
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: my picture with Loretta. I have a couple of snapshots

1223
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: with her that I have framed um and I just

1224
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: look at I walked by them and just think, I

1225
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: just was so lucky to know her, so lucky to

1226
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: know her, you know. And then of course I've got

1227
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: kid pictures with my kids when they were from all

1228
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: all through their whole um, you know, their whole lives.

1229
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: Got some newborn pictures with all of them. So you know,

1230
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: that's personally. I guess when I said, when you said

1231
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: personal picture, and I said me and Loretta, that did

1232
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: feel like a personal relationship to me. So, but that's

1233
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: probably more in the professional category. So pictures of me

1234
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: with my kids would be the second one. So you're

1235
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: doing shows a few in May and in June. Now

1236
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: you're taking a break right now though for the most part.

1237
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: That's what you're saying. Are you going back out in

1238
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: the fall? Is that announced yet? No? Okay, putting that together,

1239
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to tour jail, so I'm

1240
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: not going to push no, what's up. I just decided

1241
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: this year to take a little bit more, to try

1242
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: to tour a little smarter, because we were for the

1243
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: past since COVID, since since touring started back up again,

1244
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: we were really hitting it every single weekend like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

1245
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: every single week, maybe with a week off here or there,

1246
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: and it just gets to be so discombobulating. There's there's

1247
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: always this first of all, I'm a real homebody. I

1248
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: love to be at home, but I love to tour.

1249
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: But there's this reentry that comes every time I coming

1250
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: off the road. There's about a day where it just

1251
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: takes a minute to get settled and in the groove,

1252
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: and and that's just jarring, and nothing ever gets unpacked,

1253
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: and everything's I'm transporting things back and forth. And so

1254
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: this year I said I kind of wanted to work

1255
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: in chunks, so we did the Judge tour. We've got

1256
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: April and May off, no March and April off, and

1257
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: then we were working in May, June, a little bit

1258
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: in June July. Then we're going to do a tour

1259
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: in the summer and the fall for probably fifteen dates,

1260
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: and then we always do a Christmas tour, so we'll

1261
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: probably end up doing the same amount of shows, but

1262
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: they're just spread out a little more. It's been a

1263
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: real treat. I appreciate you coming and just talking with

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Speaker 1: me about like the stuff that I don't have to

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Speaker 1: get to hear from you, like I want to know

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Speaker 1: about Sharon. Yeah, I want to know about your mom

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Speaker 1: and your dad. And so I hadn't heard this. So

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking an hour and spending it

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Speaker 1: and sharing that with me. That's that's the coolest thing

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Speaker 1: for me to get to do this. So if you

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Speaker 1: want to get ticket, you go to Martina McBride dot

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Speaker 1: com or go to our socials quite the Instagram following.

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Speaker 1: I must say, you kind of kill it over there.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's fun at Martina McBride. And then

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Speaker 1: the final final question, do you still love singing? I do? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do. I mean I do, And I think I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm learning to love it in a different way. Um,

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Speaker 1: for a long time, it was just this thing I did,

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Speaker 1: and it was just this I sort of had complete

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Speaker 1: control over it. I don't want to say I took

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Speaker 1: it for granted. But you know, now I'm older, I've

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Speaker 1: gone through a couple of vocal issues which I've been resolving,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate it more and I think I'm more

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Speaker 1: connected to it in a in a in a different way.

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Speaker 1: And I think the next few years I'm going to

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Speaker 1: enjoy it more than ever. Well, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: This has been a real treat for me. Um, I

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Speaker 1: guess that's it, right, Mike, all the stats and stuff

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Speaker 1: we read before you got here. I'm glad you did

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Speaker 1: you know what I was here. Yeah, Well, we didn't

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Speaker 1: want you to get too cocky, you know, So all right,

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Speaker 1: Martina mcgride, Everybody, I loved this episode of The Bobby Cast.

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