WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: HOF Debates, Who's Better? 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:06.880 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:16.720 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the player's 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:22.040 loud broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:27.680 Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and new he scrugs. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:38.280 It is that time, Friday mclock in Frisco, Texas, and 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:44.440 we're back together, yes again, all three of us. Barry Church, yes, 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.479 so he's back into building. Danny McCray in the house. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.640 These guys former players for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm Newi scrugs, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.280 a long time sports anchor here in the Dallas for 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.880 UR Theory. So we are going to entertain you for 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.800 an hour with a whole lot of different topics you've 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:03.240 got to get to, from Eli Manning to Byron Jones, 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.280 Antonio Brown, Brian possibly coming back into building. But let 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.080 us start with something that I found very interesting on 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:21.840 social media, especially Twitter, is that's going on they entertainment 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:26.760 between the NFC champion San Francisco forty nine, the Hot 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:32.679 Boys and the Dallas Cowboys and the Hot Boy one z. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:41.160 That's the difference, yes, zing the Boys and the Hot Boys. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:46.000 So Tank is basically the CEO of the Hot Boys, right, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.280 and he deserves to be. And Tank is selling Hot 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:55.840 Boys T shirts, Hot Boys sweatshirts, Hot Boys, Beanie CD 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:05.280 right eating opened up a little shop. He is very 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.840 protective of the name. Well, the San Francisco forty nine 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.120 ers defense calls themselves the Hot Boys, and they put 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.560 two z's on the end. So Tank is out there 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.840 on Twitter this week claiming that they're basically imposters and 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.000 that he's trademarked the name and the dig, you know, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.960 basically saying there will be a cease and desist. And 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:28.760 of course the forty nine are faithful jumped on him. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.760 Aren't in the playoffs. They're in the Super Bowl, you guys. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.120 I mean they Tank and Company getting lit up now 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.440 here was poor old Jalen Smith just trying to fly 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:45.200 to the Pro Bowl and trying to He's on the 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.720 plane with a Hot Boys being he Tank tweets it 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:53.240 out and then Jalen gets dragged in Twitter comments manages 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.160 straight col in. The forty nine are fans just trolling 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:01.600 and with each incident it just gave just put more fuel. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.480 It takes take is tweeting back and it's just and 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.480 I had a long time NFL writer, Uh, send me 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:15.920 a DM. It just said, what's going on here? But 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:20.000 what what is going on? And just his premise was, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.320 this is the problem of the cowboys worrying about the 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.960 wrong thing. Where is the substance? You're worried about a 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:39.000 style and a brand. This is this is what I'm getting. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.960 Somebody said it wasn't. No, I'm just telling you some 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:47.920 veteran NFL scribe said and and and that a conversation 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.280 needed to be had with the head coach of Hey, 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.120 this is what your locker room is is like where 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.160 you've got guys worried about brands in merch and not 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:05.080 enough on the winning the style versus the substance. So 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:09.120 that is where we start off. Now, I throw it 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:15.880 to the floor. Let me tell you something, Brook, This 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.320 is the same tank has been doing this with everything. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.240 The hot Boys didn't start this year, the same stats 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.919 in play that got him the Honey million. It was 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.760 the same hot boys, all right. So I don't have 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.560 nothing to do with his performance that he's tweeting this 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.919 out and taking this that series. Also, it's the offseason. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.120 You're right, we're not in the playoffs. What should he 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:40.560 be doing marketing himself and making some money off the field. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.679 He also tweeted out we are more than just players. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.359 He's starting a business, trying to start a legacy, and 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.440 this is his thing. All right now. I will say 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.320 I'm in a tough position because Cohen Alexander is a 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.760 LSU guy and he's also trying to trade mark the 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:01.840 two z's. He's trying to trade mark. But I'm in Dallas, 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.599 all right, so I know the Hot Boys to be 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.840 the guys that walk around in this locker room. Playoffs 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.479 are not. This is that was their things. So he 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.240 gotta right to feel the way you do. And if 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.320 he trademarked it and he making bread off of it, yeah, 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.800 get off of it. Outside of football. This is business pursuing, right, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.320 I mean, he got all rights to trademark his brand. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.120 He's the Hot Boy Ambassador, he's the CEO all this stuff. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.880 I just don't understand the fort of course they know 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.200 the Dallas Cowboys are called the Hot Boys. Why go 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:29.839 ahead and sit there and say, let me let me 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:34.600 take that name. You can't be more creative, Like, come on, man, 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.520 this is Z and the name. And it gets worse 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.880 because we know that the Cowboys are this big brand 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.160 have a lot of sponsors and all this stuff, and 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:48.440 other companies have sent the Cowboys gifts with hot Boys 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.440 on there, right, So it's not like it's just their 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.360 thing where they're like, nah, we even train. Yes, there 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.640 are big brands in here who are buying into this 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.360 and it's already been made. They're doing this now. It 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.039 is good. This is good. I'm glad when we handcu 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.640 there's video what is the original hot Boy juvenile? So 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:13.400 Julie the Great Julie they are the new hot Boys 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.440 and gave the blessing and permission to Quan Alexander. That 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.880 changes everything. That changes everything. Man. If Julie the Great, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.479 the original president hot Boy says, you know what, y'all 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.960 got my blessings and they ain't cross the country. They 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.000 ain't like you know they they right next to that 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:34.160 changes that, Listen. I said, like I said, I just 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.520 wanted to I wanted to put the geography into play here, 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:41.240 all right, What school did Quan Alexander go to? Where 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.479 is Julie where this is? So? Of course, like that's 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.080 like if if Joe Burrow or somebody else they went 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.120 to LSU saying something about something that Boosey says in 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:57.400 the song. Of course he's gonna co sign it Louisiana. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.840 But that still don't take away the fact that they 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.720 wasn't a big thing until the markus Lawance called him 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.400 the hot boys. He started this, ain't read the beef 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.520 And of course, of course Julie gonna hop on look 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.080 at him. Nobody was talking about Julie. But the last 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.040 time you will, the last time you told him, I 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.720 got listen, I got respect for the songs. You know 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.920 what I'm saying. But when it up bad. Listen, when 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:26.160 the last time you mentioned j Now just like I'm 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.760 not respect, I'm just saying we didn't know nothing. Nobody 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:33.040 was thinking about mattering it right now. He just gat 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.520 he just gave out the name. Huh, he just he 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.120 just the name was already gone gave He said that 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.520 you all can use here boys, you all the new 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.880 by two zis because because because the court is saying 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.720 that d lauding them is the Onesia and the public 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.040 of the court. Did the court say that yet it's 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.400 trademark that saying that you had said no season de 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.800 sensive and ain't trademark morning and the course they're gonna 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.360 get it. Let me tell you so public course the 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.360 Hot Boys than guy. So this is the equivalent when 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.640 Um with two Live crew leader Luther Campbell was using 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.640 Luke Skywalker and then George Lucas Lucas film came in 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.520 and then he had to go to Uncle Luke. That's right, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.640 that's what happened to him. So he was using Luke 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:21.920 Skywalker and take some I can almost tell you exactly 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.360 what d Law is thinking. Who cares what you now 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.840 talking about? It? We are, but we've been saying this. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.000 He went, do not want talking none of that when 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.880 they was calling themself dot but maybe because he's not 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.680 a fan of the cowboys. But just so out of Spike, 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.440 you get you're gonna give somebody the right to use 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.360 hot But now the courts did that. The courts gave 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.560 him the right. By Juvie, I'm gonna say this fact 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.600 that the forty nine is tried to take the Hot 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.439 Boys name from the from the Cowboys when they could 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.240 have had their own. There's so many other You gotta 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:51.960 be more creative than that, man. That's the one thing 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.439 I'm gonna give it for. But Juvie talking about Dad, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.560 they deserved to get it. Judie says it, you know, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:04.760 Julie the Great and everybody and everybody boys, c C. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.439 He said, that's the way here. That's where he believed that. Fine, 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.360 I'm not you know what I'm saying that that's but 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.760 if he believed that everybody should believe, you know, whatever 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.680 they do, So that's fine. I mean he believes in it. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:20.160 But one Z the one. I'm ones, but everybody and listen, 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.439 everybody making money out there, man, go if you gotta 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.880 start the trademark and you want separate streams and in 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.360 call dude, you got a new d law. I appreciate 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.120 what you're doing trying to get everybody out there to 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.240 find other streams of revenue and show them that you 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.400 have more than athlete. Shout out to you. By the way, 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.280 Quan has got a whole bunch of new merchancs with 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.920 Hot Boys University. So so let's see where the speaking 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.520 of hot boys. Didn't Taco start Hot Boys? I think 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.080 he did. I think Taco started, and then then Tank 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.240 just kind of just kind of took it over. Just 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.800 so so now Quan taking it from a d law, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.720 it's how all these things, you know what happens. Easy 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.080 created NWA, but it was Ice Cub just putting all 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.880 the music and writing all the lyrics. Rain had the beats, 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.440 and so you know this, it is what it is 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.880 that the Hot Boys and Kwan Alexander will be playing 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.400 in the super Bowl, so they will have an ultimate stage, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.839 especially if they win this game. Go ahead and get 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.000 a jump on the merchandise. But really, and they still 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.120 won't sell merchandise than law now and and this is 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.400 going to be interesting on how much and how they're 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.640 going to use this week because you already see it 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.200 right now, how much they're gonna be able to use 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:26.880 this week to get them saves because people want to 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.200 wear winners. People want to wear Let me tell you 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.360 how crazy this is though, because everybody speaks about like 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.800 Jerry Jones or being this marketing genius and all that. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.720 The Cowboys not in the playoffs, not in the super Bowl, 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.880 look at this, They will be in Super Bowl talks 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:46.080 and merchandise be merchandise being purchased just because of the 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.000 forty nine ers and the Cowboys old vary. Now they're 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.400 gonna be buying all the Hot Boys gears, Danny. This 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.600 goes back to what I talked about before, and this 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.280 has been a criticism of the Cowboys, the style versus 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.920 a substance, that there's been so much put into style, 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.360 but when do you come with the substance to go 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.880 back with it? Because yes, I remember Zeke and Das 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.559 rookie year when they were telling the two one four 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.040 shirts and I was over there at the Cowboys plant. 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.800 We did a story for NBC Dallas. I mean they 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.439 could not that mean, the presses were going, they had 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.640 people working overtime. You could not get out a Zeke shirt, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.400 a Zeke jersey, a dakh or the two one four 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.800 and me would just move. You take that winning combined 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.640 with the brand, boom is good, and that to me, 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.680 that's where if I was a Cowboys player, man, I'd 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.040 be working like crazy because could you imagine what type 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.440 of opportunities would come if they're in a super Bowl. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.839 When you think about it, the how Boys, it's big. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.360 They go to the playoffs last year, I mean they 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.560 lose in the Rams. But my whole thing is when 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.400 people say, like how much marketing and all this stuff, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.440 and they focus on you know, money and all, how 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.480 does making two one four effect the way that Dak 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.920 and Zeke play the game the way that the game 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:05.719 is coached. When they say that what I'm saying, it 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.200 doesn't right to me. And my mind is like the dudes, 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:09.840 they ain't think about something them t searchs when they 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:11.560 out there on the field. Well, that's not the reason 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.920 he missed the past. That's not the reason Zeke. People 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.200 say that. People say that the Cowboys focus too much 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.960 on the brand instead of just focusing on what football is. 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:22.760 They talk about the building and all this other stuff, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.640 and I'm like, well, what that they still outside on 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.080 the practice field, practice work. Let me put the disclaimer 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.360 in on the whole two one four that was the Cowboys. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.280 They did that. Dak and Zeke didn't have any taking this. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.600 This isn't endeavor by by Tank. You know, this is 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.800 his own thing I'm saying. But the history of it 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:46.000 is the Cowboys. People understand, because this is not me. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.760 If you notice, you don't see stars on this at all. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.840 In fact, they don't even really use blue was there man, 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.680 Because this is a total separate thing. Entity wants it 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.559 to beat all right. He wants to do more than 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.520 just play play football, right, because because sometimes people don't 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.280 understand it that becomes a part of NFL branding. There 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.280 was one player here who tried to do something, and 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.080 this player had a fantastic brand, and he tried to 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.959 sell some shirts and was using Cowboy the Cowboys stars 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.760 color right. They had to come and tell him, now, yeah, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:24.400 we like you, but make your own thing. He's up. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.400 Now he's something outside of the Cowboys. He has us him. Okay, 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.680 so let's move on from the hot Boys and we'll 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.800 see exactly who wins the Super Bowl between the forty 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.080 nine Ers and the kans Chiefs. We'll do that next Friday. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.000 We'll come up with our picks and we'll see where 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.240 we go. By the way, the Kansas City Chiefs case 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.520 some of your youngsters don't know, started off in Dallas. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.440 They were the Dallas Texans, owned by Dallas businessman Lamar 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.319 Hunt played one year and the Cowboys also started in 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.000 nineteen sixty, so both franchises started in nineteen sixty. The 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.120 Texans were in the AFL, the American Football League, Cowboys 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.760 in the NFL. Lamar Hunt in it up, taking his 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.480 team after one year up to Kansas City and they 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:08.480 have been there since. So there is a Dallas connection 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.640 and the Hunt. The Hunts still live in Dallas from 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.240 where they not relocated to Kansas City at all, so 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.920 they are still right here. So does my boy Clay One, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.679 who will be playing in the super Bowl this year, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.960 Anthony hitchings Man. We got some we got some former 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.720 Cowboys on a super Bowl. So I guess we're all 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.680 going for the Chiefs. But next week, next week we'll 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.400 put in our scores, we'll make the prediction of me. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.080 I'm hoping the Chiefs win as well. Will you be 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.520 making middle bet because I'm just gonna win. I'm just 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:43.400 talking about the popular to wait for springtime. I told 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:48.080 you want to sit outside. I just spent all week 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.760 in North Carolina. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I couldn't take 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.480 care of you. He won the Higsman a month ago. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:00.640 Last week, about a week se World while I was 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.880 I was gonna I was going to slow play doubling 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.160 nothing in the clipson, and he almost got me to 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.600 do it, and I thought about it. I thought, I can, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.720 I can, just you know, I just wait on Dabbo 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.320 to come on up in here and go double nothing 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.280 to get clut the brakes gate off. So that was 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.080 mitt January, so it was min Mi January. And then 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.320 I just said to my nun, I don't believe that much. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.360 Not in New Orleans, you know, not in New Orleans. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.040 Not We're not gonna talk about LSU. But don't sound 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.680 like that, Sweeney. It's our own game. They came out, 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.880 they played where they got beat, all right, not location 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.000 is you know what, Look, if we're just using common sense, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.840 anybody who was gonna pick against LSU and New Orleans 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.640 was dumb. Anyway, this is where they have one championship, 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.040 this is this is as home field as it gets. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.760 But at the same time, everybody knew coming into the 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.080 year where it was. Everybody know, everybody knows. Nobody was 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:56.840 complaining the beginning of the year. I mean, it is 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:58.760 what it is. They could have played at Clemson and 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.120 Clemson wouldn't won that game. I'm not gonna disagree with, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.400 thank you, But my thing of just the whole Hey, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:09.520 you all you knew, you knew, you know exactly where 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.080 it's gonna be. So and and I'm sure at the 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.080 beginning of the year, if you said, hey, all right, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.880 we're gonna make it back to the championship game, but 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.120 we got to go to Louisiana the Superdome and face LSU. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.120 Anybody want to go. Everybody's gonna raise a hand and 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.080 clips and say we're gonna go. So but that's but 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.680 that's but that's also he understand dabble. He's he lives 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.960 and has lived off hey man with an underdog, even 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:40.080 though I mean that's just him. He was right. All right, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:45.640 Let's dive into Eli Manning, who within the last hour 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:50.280 officially retired from the New York Giants. So you guys 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:55.560 have spent those games playing against Eli Manning, give me 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:00.240 your Eli thoughts for me. I thought Eli. I thought 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.160 Eli was a good quarterback. M I did intercept him twice, 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.200 so things shout out to Eli for that one, but 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.080 appreciate you. But yeah, I think he was a good quarterback. Man. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.240 He led his team. He showed up in the biggest 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.560 games that mattered and the playoff runs. I'm not sure 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.000 if that any other quarterback has had success in the 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.200 playoffs like he's had beside you know, Tom Brady and 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.720 those guys. But I feel like Eli is a great quarterback. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.680 He plays great in the clutch and above everything else, 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.040 he beat the Dynasty twice in the Super Bowl so um, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.159 and he didn't. He did it with just you know, 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.479 he had Plexico birds. He had I forget the guy 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.399 with the helmet Cashman, he had him. He had a 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.080 David Tyree and mab brash Jack anything like he had 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:37.920 World Beaters. He didn't have Randy Mahas out there. He 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.080 didn't have all these guys out there, and he was 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.440 still able to perform at a high level. His first 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.240 Super Bowl he had a great defense. Second one, I'm 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.960 not so sure about, but I think he was a 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:49.440 great quarterback and Hall of Fame kind of second guessing it, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.600 but I think he gets in maybe second or third ballot. Yeah, 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.720 I'm not even gonna get into the Hall of Fame talk. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.000 I'm not sure we need to as far as as far. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.320 I got one pickoff Eli as well, But I think 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.280 I think he was a good quarterback. I think he 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.679 played well. Like you said that clutch Gene, he did 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.400 have a great team around him, but we've seen quarterbacks 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.359 with great teams around him still not be able to 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.119 come up and come up with it an end, and 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.000 he did that twice, right, So holding nothing against Eli. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.360 I think it was great. It was a little sad 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.880 to see how it ended for him of those last 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.320 two years, you know, with getting benched and coming back, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.320 but I think with him finally accepting it, being able 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.440 to retire and move on to something else, I'm happy 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.640 for him. Good luck to him and whatever he does next. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.360 Let's go back into what has been next and that's 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.119 his is Eli Manning Hall of Famer. And I'm just 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.879 going to reference exactly what you both said because I 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:44.960 made sure I wrote it down, because I've started to 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.280 do this now when when people talk about Eli Manning, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:53.399 you first said good, you said good, later on you 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.359 said great, depending on the moment. Yeah, he was a 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.760 good in the regular season. When he got to those 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.520 stretches where he had to be, he was great. One 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.080 seventeen and one seven. That's the only guy. And to me, 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.560 and I don't know if you've guys ever been to Canton, Ohio, 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:13.880 And I've been there. I used to live in Cleveland. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.000 I mean, it is a special place that's been there 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.080 many times. It is at place for the greats. It's 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.040 not a place for the good or the very good. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.399 It's great. No one is saying, really, Eli Manning had 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.560 a great career. He had great moments, right, that's the 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.120 Super Bowl. Was a great moment to beat a New 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.159 England Patriot team that was going to go down as 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:39.520 the greatest team in NFL history. Yes, Eli Manning had 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.159 a great game, ended up having another great finish in 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.679 that Super Bowl. I was there in Indianapolis when they 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.960 ended up beating New England and come came from behind. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:53.280 I mean, great performance. I just don't think great moments 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.320 eu equate a great career. I go back to just 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.280 for Cowboy fans to make it really simple, when DeMarco 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.280 Murray won the NFL Offensive Player of the Year is 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.359 a free agent, I said, look, I don't think you 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.879 should pay a great quarterback a great contract to a 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.040 guy who had a great year because I don't believe 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.600 DeMarco Murray is a great running back. I think he's 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.080 a good running back who had a great year. I 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.720 think Eli Manning was a good quarterback who had two 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.000 great runs to win Super Bowls. I don't think that 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.840 puts him in camp. He never was an NFL Offensive 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.760 Player of the Year, he was never an MVP, he 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.880 was never first team All Blows. He had four Pro Bowls. 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.200 I mean, you start talking about the Pro Bowls I 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.320 think Tony had at least three maybe four same in 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.160 his career. DA's already got two, and so the guy 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.439 had some seasons where they were subpar led He led 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.920 the league interceptions three years. I mean, I just I 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.880 just think he's to me. When I think a Hall 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.399 of Fame, I have to attach the word great to you. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.680 Eli Manning was not a great player, so he's not 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.240 getting in on your on you. I had a vote, 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.040 I would not give it to Eli. How much you 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.000 think super bowls way in when you're doing that voting projects. 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.160 People have to be careful with these the Super Bowl things. 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.040 What will happen in Eli's favor? He played for the 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.360 New York Giants, and he will get because it's New York. 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.400 And then New York beat New England and Bill Belichick 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.280 the Dynasty twice. It's gonna sway a lot of people 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.359 that way. I was already I was listening to Trerest 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.920 Payler of Yahoo NFL Sports and on his podcast, and 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.520 he has a vote, and that stuff swayed his way. 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.520 But he has what he calls this algorithm about all 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.480 these things that he puts into you know, whether or 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.840 not a guy should be in the Hall Boomer Sisson 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.240 had a better number in his algorithm than he used. 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:38.520 I go back to Jim Plunkett, and this is before 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.639 your time. Jim Plunkett was the quarterbacks of the Raiders. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.520 They were the first wildcard team to win a Super Bowl. 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.680 They were a underdog against the Philadelphia Eagles and Super 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:50.879 Bowl fifteen at the Superdome. They ended up winning that 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.600 game twenty seven to ten. Then they end up in 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.280 super Bowl eighteen. This is when Washington was already the 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.480 defending champion. They had set a record for points score. 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:05.720 That's when they had the fun buns. And this is 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.040 a great ten head they had John Riggins me this 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.960