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Speaker 1: we're back together, yes again, all three of us. Barry Church, yes,
Speaker 1: so he's back into building. Danny McCray in the house.
Speaker 1: These guys former players for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm Newi scrugs,
Speaker 1: a long time sports anchor here in the Dallas for
Speaker 1: UR Theory. So we are going to entertain you for
Speaker 1: an hour with a whole lot of different topics you've
Speaker 1: got to get to, from Eli Manning to Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, Brian possibly coming back into building. But let
Speaker 1: us start with something that I found very interesting on
Speaker 1: social media, especially Twitter, is that's going on they entertainment
Speaker 1: between the NFC champion San Francisco forty nine, the Hot
Speaker 1: Boys and the Dallas Cowboys and the Hot Boy one z.
Speaker 1: That's the difference, yes, zing the Boys and the Hot Boys.
Speaker 1: So Tank is basically the CEO of the Hot Boys, right,
Speaker 1: and he deserves to be. And Tank is selling Hot
Speaker 1: Boys T shirts, Hot Boys sweatshirts, Hot Boys, Beanie CD
Speaker 1: right eating opened up a little shop. He is very
Speaker 1: protective of the name. Well, the San Francisco forty nine
Speaker 1: ers defense calls themselves the Hot Boys, and they put
Speaker 1: two z's on the end. So Tank is out there
Speaker 1: on Twitter this week claiming that they're basically imposters and
Speaker 1: that he's trademarked the name and the dig, you know,
Speaker 1: basically saying there will be a cease and desist. And
Speaker 1: of course the forty nine are faithful jumped on him.
Speaker 1: Aren't in the playoffs. They're in the Super Bowl, you guys.
Speaker 1: I mean they Tank and Company getting lit up now
Speaker 1: here was poor old Jalen Smith just trying to fly
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl and trying to He's on the
Speaker 1: plane with a Hot Boys being he Tank tweets it
Speaker 1: out and then Jalen gets dragged in Twitter comments manages
Speaker 1: straight col in. The forty nine are fans just trolling
Speaker 1: and with each incident it just gave just put more fuel.
Speaker 1: It takes take is tweeting back and it's just and
Speaker 1: I had a long time NFL writer, Uh, send me
Speaker 1: a DM. It just said, what's going on here? But
Speaker 1: what what is going on? And just his premise was,
Speaker 1: this is the problem of the cowboys worrying about the
Speaker 1: wrong thing. Where is the substance? You're worried about a
Speaker 1: style and a brand. This is this is what I'm getting.
Speaker 1: Somebody said it wasn't. No, I'm just telling you some
Speaker 1: veteran NFL scribe said and and and that a conversation
Speaker 1: needed to be had with the head coach of Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what your locker room is is like where
Speaker 1: you've got guys worried about brands in merch and not
Speaker 1: enough on the winning the style versus the substance. So
Speaker 1: that is where we start off. Now, I throw it
Speaker 1: to the floor. Let me tell you something, Brook, This
Speaker 1: is the same tank has been doing this with everything.
Speaker 1: The hot Boys didn't start this year, the same stats
Speaker 1: in play that got him the Honey million. It was
Speaker 1: the same hot boys, all right. So I don't have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with his performance that he's tweeting this
Speaker 1: out and taking this that series. Also, it's the offseason.
Speaker 1: You're right, we're not in the playoffs. What should he
Speaker 1: be doing marketing himself and making some money off the field.
Speaker 1: He also tweeted out we are more than just players.
Speaker 1: He's starting a business, trying to start a legacy, and
Speaker 1: this is his thing. All right now. I will say
Speaker 1: I'm in a tough position because Cohen Alexander is a
Speaker 1: LSU guy and he's also trying to trade mark the
Speaker 1: two z's. He's trying to trade mark. But I'm in Dallas,
Speaker 1: all right, so I know the Hot Boys to be
Speaker 1: the guys that walk around in this locker room. Playoffs
Speaker 1: are not. This is that was their things. So he
Speaker 1: gotta right to feel the way you do. And if
Speaker 1: he trademarked it and he making bread off of it, yeah,
Speaker 1: get off of it. Outside of football. This is business pursuing, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, he got all rights to trademark his brand.
Speaker 1: He's the Hot Boy Ambassador, he's the CEO all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the fort of course they know
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys are called the Hot Boys. Why go
Speaker 1: ahead and sit there and say, let me let me
Speaker 1: take that name. You can't be more creative, Like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: this is Z and the name. And it gets worse
Speaker 1: because we know that the Cowboys are this big brand
Speaker 1: have a lot of sponsors and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: other companies have sent the Cowboys gifts with hot Boys
Speaker 1: on there, right, So it's not like it's just their
Speaker 1: thing where they're like, nah, we even train. Yes, there
Speaker 1: are big brands in here who are buying into this
Speaker 1: and it's already been made. They're doing this now. It
Speaker 1: is good. This is good. I'm glad when we handcu
Speaker 1: there's video what is the original hot Boy juvenile? So
Speaker 1: Julie the Great Julie they are the new hot Boys
Speaker 1: and gave the blessing and permission to Quan Alexander. That
Speaker 1: changes everything. That changes everything. Man. If Julie the Great,
Speaker 1: the original president hot Boy says, you know what, y'all
Speaker 1: got my blessings and they ain't cross the country. They
Speaker 1: ain't like you know they they right next to that
Speaker 1: changes that, Listen. I said, like I said, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to I wanted to put the geography into play here,
Speaker 1: all right, What school did Quan Alexander go to? Where
Speaker 1: is Julie where this is? So? Of course, like that's
Speaker 1: like if if Joe Burrow or somebody else they went
Speaker 1: to LSU saying something about something that Boosey says in
Speaker 1: the song. Of course he's gonna co sign it Louisiana.
Speaker 1: But that still don't take away the fact that they
Speaker 1: wasn't a big thing until the markus Lawance called him
Speaker 1: the hot boys. He started this, ain't read the beef
Speaker 1: And of course, of course Julie gonna hop on look
Speaker 1: at him. Nobody was talking about Julie. But the last
Speaker 1: time you will, the last time you told him, I
Speaker 1: got listen, I got respect for the songs. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But when it up bad. Listen, when
Speaker 1: the last time you mentioned j Now just like I'm
Speaker 1: not respect, I'm just saying we didn't know nothing. Nobody
Speaker 1: was thinking about mattering it right now. He just gat
Speaker 1: he just gave out the name. Huh, he just he
Speaker 1: just the name was already gone gave He said that
Speaker 1: you all can use here boys, you all the new
Speaker 1: by two zis because because because the court is saying
Speaker 1: that d lauding them is the Onesia and the public
Speaker 1: of the court. Did the court say that yet it's
Speaker 1: trademark that saying that you had said no season de
Speaker 1: sensive and ain't trademark morning and the course they're gonna
Speaker 1: get it. Let me tell you so public course the
Speaker 1: Hot Boys than guy. So this is the equivalent when
Speaker 1: Um with two Live crew leader Luther Campbell was using
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker and then George Lucas Lucas film came in
Speaker 1: and then he had to go to Uncle Luke. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's what happened to him. So he was using Luke
Speaker 1: Skywalker and take some I can almost tell you exactly
Speaker 1: what d Law is thinking. Who cares what you now
Speaker 1: talking about? It? We are, but we've been saying this.
Speaker 1: He went, do not want talking none of that when
Speaker 1: they was calling themself dot but maybe because he's not
Speaker 1: a fan of the cowboys. But just so out of Spike,
Speaker 1: you get you're gonna give somebody the right to use
Speaker 1: hot But now the courts did that. The courts gave
Speaker 1: him the right. By Juvie, I'm gonna say this fact
Speaker 1: that the forty nine is tried to take the Hot
Speaker 1: Boys name from the from the Cowboys when they could
Speaker 1: have had their own. There's so many other You gotta
Speaker 1: be more creative than that, man. That's the one thing
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it for. But Juvie talking about Dad,
Speaker 1: they deserved to get it. Judie says it, you know,
Speaker 1: Julie the Great and everybody and everybody boys, c C.
Speaker 1: He said, that's the way here. That's where he believed that. Fine,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know what I'm saying that that's but
Speaker 1: if he believed that everybody should believe, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: they do, So that's fine. I mean he believes in it.
Speaker 1: But one Z the one. I'm ones, but everybody and listen,
Speaker 1: everybody making money out there, man, go if you gotta
Speaker 1: start the trademark and you want separate streams and in
Speaker 1: call dude, you got a new d law. I appreciate
Speaker 1: what you're doing trying to get everybody out there to
Speaker 1: find other streams of revenue and show them that you
Speaker 1: have more than athlete. Shout out to you. By the way,
Speaker 1: Quan has got a whole bunch of new merchancs with
Speaker 1: Hot Boys University. So so let's see where the speaking
Speaker 1: of hot boys. Didn't Taco start Hot Boys? I think
Speaker 1: he did. I think Taco started, and then then Tank
Speaker 1: just kind of just kind of took it over. Just
Speaker 1: so so now Quan taking it from a d law,
Speaker 1: it's how all these things, you know what happens. Easy
Speaker 1: created NWA, but it was Ice Cub just putting all
Speaker 1: the music and writing all the lyrics. Rain had the beats,
Speaker 1: and so you know this, it is what it is
Speaker 1: that the Hot Boys and Kwan Alexander will be playing
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, so they will have an ultimate stage,
Speaker 1: especially if they win this game. Go ahead and get
Speaker 1: a jump on the merchandise. But really, and they still
Speaker 1: won't sell merchandise than law now and and this is
Speaker 1: going to be interesting on how much and how they're
Speaker 1: going to use this week because you already see it
Speaker 1: right now, how much they're gonna be able to use
Speaker 1: this week to get them saves because people want to
Speaker 1: wear winners. People want to wear Let me tell you
Speaker 1: how crazy this is though, because everybody speaks about like
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones or being this marketing genius and all that.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys not in the playoffs, not in the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: look at this, They will be in Super Bowl talks
Speaker 1: and merchandise be merchandise being purchased just because of the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers and the Cowboys old vary. Now they're
Speaker 1: gonna be buying all the Hot Boys gears, Danny. This
Speaker 1: goes back to what I talked about before, and this
Speaker 1: has been a criticism of the Cowboys, the style versus
Speaker 1: a substance, that there's been so much put into style,
Speaker 1: but when do you come with the substance to go
Speaker 1: back with it? Because yes, I remember Zeke and Das
Speaker 1: rookie year when they were telling the two one four
Speaker 1: shirts and I was over there at the Cowboys plant.
Speaker 1: We did a story for NBC Dallas. I mean they
Speaker 1: could not that mean, the presses were going, they had
Speaker 1: people working overtime. You could not get out a Zeke shirt,
Speaker 1: a Zeke jersey, a dakh or the two one four
Speaker 1: and me would just move. You take that winning combined
Speaker 1: with the brand, boom is good, and that to me,
Speaker 1: that's where if I was a Cowboys player, man, I'd
Speaker 1: be working like crazy because could you imagine what type
Speaker 1: of opportunities would come if they're in a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: When you think about it, the how Boys, it's big.
Speaker 1: They go to the playoffs last year, I mean they
Speaker 1: lose in the Rams. But my whole thing is when
Speaker 1: people say, like how much marketing and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and they focus on you know, money and all, how
Speaker 1: does making two one four effect the way that Dak
Speaker 1: and Zeke play the game the way that the game
Speaker 1: is coached. When they say that what I'm saying, it
Speaker 1: doesn't right to me. And my mind is like the dudes,
Speaker 1: they ain't think about something them t searchs when they
Speaker 1: out there on the field. Well, that's not the reason
Speaker 1: he missed the past. That's not the reason Zeke. People
Speaker 1: say that. People say that the Cowboys focus too much
Speaker 1: on the brand instead of just focusing on what football is.
Speaker 1: They talk about the building and all this other stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, what that they still outside on
Speaker 1: the practice field, practice work. Let me put the disclaimer
Speaker 1: in on the whole two one four that was the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They did that. Dak and Zeke didn't have any taking this.
Speaker 1: This isn't endeavor by by Tank. You know, this is
Speaker 1: his own thing I'm saying. But the history of it
Speaker 1: is the Cowboys. People understand, because this is not me.
Speaker 1: If you notice, you don't see stars on this at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, they don't even really use blue was there man,
Speaker 1: Because this is a total separate thing. Entity wants it
Speaker 1: to beat all right. He wants to do more than
Speaker 1: just play play football, right, because because sometimes people don't
Speaker 1: understand it that becomes a part of NFL branding. There
Speaker 1: was one player here who tried to do something, and
Speaker 1: this player had a fantastic brand, and he tried to
Speaker 1: sell some shirts and was using Cowboy the Cowboys stars
Speaker 1: color right. They had to come and tell him, now, yeah,
Speaker 1: we like you, but make your own thing. He's up.
Speaker 1: Now he's something outside of the Cowboys. He has us him. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's move on from the hot Boys and we'll
Speaker 1: see exactly who wins the Super Bowl between the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers and the kans Chiefs. We'll do that next Friday.
Speaker 1: We'll come up with our picks and we'll see where
Speaker 1: we go. By the way, the Kansas City Chiefs case
Speaker 1: some of your youngsters don't know, started off in Dallas.
Speaker 1: They were the Dallas Texans, owned by Dallas businessman Lamar
Speaker 1: Hunt played one year and the Cowboys also started in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, so both franchises started in nineteen sixty. The
Speaker 1: Texans were in the AFL, the American Football League, Cowboys
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Lamar Hunt in it up, taking his
Speaker 1: team after one year up to Kansas City and they
Speaker 1: have been there since. So there is a Dallas connection
Speaker 1: and the Hunt. The Hunts still live in Dallas from
Speaker 1: where they not relocated to Kansas City at all, so
Speaker 1: they are still right here. So does my boy Clay One,
Speaker 1: who will be playing in the super Bowl this year,
Speaker 1: Anthony hitchings Man. We got some we got some former
Speaker 1: Cowboys on a super Bowl. So I guess we're all
Speaker 1: going for the Chiefs. But next week, next week we'll
Speaker 1: put in our scores, we'll make the prediction of me.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping the Chiefs win as well. Will you be
Speaker 1: making middle bet because I'm just gonna win. I'm just
Speaker 1: talking about the popular to wait for springtime. I told
Speaker 1: you want to sit outside. I just spent all week
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I couldn't take
Speaker 1: care of you. He won the Higsman a month ago.
Speaker 1: Last week, about a week se World while I was
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was going to slow play doubling
Speaker 1: nothing in the clipson, and he almost got me to
Speaker 1: do it, and I thought about it. I thought, I can,
Speaker 1: I can, just you know, I just wait on Dabbo
Speaker 1: to come on up in here and go double nothing
Speaker 1: to get clut the brakes gate off. So that was
Speaker 1: mitt January, so it was min Mi January. And then
Speaker 1: I just said to my nun, I don't believe that much.
Speaker 1: Not in New Orleans, you know, not in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Not We're not gonna talk about LSU. But don't sound
Speaker 1: like that, Sweeney. It's our own game. They came out,
Speaker 1: they played where they got beat, all right, not location
Speaker 1: is you know what, Look, if we're just using common sense,
Speaker 1: anybody who was gonna pick against LSU and New Orleans
Speaker 1: was dumb. Anyway, this is where they have one championship,
Speaker 1: this is this is as home field as it gets.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, everybody knew coming into the
Speaker 1: year where it was. Everybody know, everybody knows. Nobody was
Speaker 1: complaining the beginning of the year. I mean, it is
Speaker 1: what it is. They could have played at Clemson and
Speaker 1: Clemson wouldn't won that game. I'm not gonna disagree with,
Speaker 1: thank you, But my thing of just the whole Hey,
Speaker 1: you all you knew, you knew, you know exactly where
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. So and and I'm sure at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the year, if you said, hey, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it back to the championship game, but
Speaker 1: we got to go to Louisiana the Superdome and face LSU.
Speaker 1: Anybody want to go. Everybody's gonna raise a hand and
Speaker 1: clips and say we're gonna go. So but that's but
Speaker 1: that's but that's also he understand dabble. He's he lives
Speaker 1: and has lived off hey man with an underdog, even
Speaker 1: though I mean that's just him. He was right. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's dive into Eli Manning, who within the last hour
Speaker 1: officially retired from the New York Giants. So you guys
Speaker 1: have spent those games playing against Eli Manning, give me
Speaker 1: your Eli thoughts for me. I thought Eli. I thought
Speaker 1: Eli was a good quarterback. M I did intercept him twice,
Speaker 1: so things shout out to Eli for that one, but
Speaker 1: appreciate you. But yeah, I think he was a good quarterback. Man.
Speaker 1: He led his team. He showed up in the biggest
Speaker 1: games that mattered and the playoff runs. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if that any other quarterback has had success in the
Speaker 1: playoffs like he's had beside you know, Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: those guys. But I feel like Eli is a great quarterback.
Speaker 1: He plays great in the clutch and above everything else,
Speaker 1: he beat the Dynasty twice in the Super Bowl so um,
Speaker 1: and he didn't. He did it with just you know,
Speaker 1: he had Plexico birds. He had I forget the guy
Speaker 1: with the helmet Cashman, he had him. He had a
Speaker 1: David Tyree and mab brash Jack anything like he had
Speaker 1: World Beaters. He didn't have Randy Mahas out there. He
Speaker 1: didn't have all these guys out there, and he was
Speaker 1: still able to perform at a high level. His first
Speaker 1: Super Bowl he had a great defense. Second one, I'm
Speaker 1: not so sure about, but I think he was a
Speaker 1: great quarterback and Hall of Fame kind of second guessing it,
Speaker 1: but I think he gets in maybe second or third ballot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna get into the Hall of Fame talk.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we need to as far as as far.
Speaker 1: I got one pickoff Eli as well, But I think
Speaker 1: I think he was a good quarterback. I think he
Speaker 1: played well. Like you said that clutch Gene, he did
Speaker 1: have a great team around him, but we've seen quarterbacks
Speaker 1: with great teams around him still not be able to
Speaker 1: come up and come up with it an end, and
Speaker 1: he did that twice, right, So holding nothing against Eli.
Speaker 1: I think it was great. It was a little sad
Speaker 1: to see how it ended for him of those last
Speaker 1: two years, you know, with getting benched and coming back,
Speaker 1: but I think with him finally accepting it, being able
Speaker 1: to retire and move on to something else, I'm happy
Speaker 1: for him. Good luck to him and whatever he does next.
Speaker 1: Let's go back into what has been next and that's
Speaker 1: his is Eli Manning Hall of Famer. And I'm just
Speaker 1: going to reference exactly what you both said because I
Speaker 1: made sure I wrote it down, because I've started to
Speaker 1: do this now when when people talk about Eli Manning,
Speaker 1: you first said good, you said good, later on you
Speaker 1: said great, depending on the moment. Yeah, he was a
Speaker 1: good in the regular season. When he got to those
Speaker 1: stretches where he had to be, he was great. One
Speaker 1: seventeen and one seven. That's the only guy. And to me,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've guys ever been to Canton, Ohio,
Speaker 1: And I've been there. I used to live in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a special place that's been there
Speaker 1: many times. It is at place for the greats. It's
Speaker 1: not a place for the good or the very good.
Speaker 1: It's great. No one is saying, really, Eli Manning had
Speaker 1: a great career. He had great moments, right, that's the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Was a great moment to beat a New
Speaker 1: England Patriot team that was going to go down as
Speaker 1: the greatest team in NFL history. Yes, Eli Manning had
Speaker 1: a great game, ended up having another great finish in
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. I was there in Indianapolis when they
Speaker 1: ended up beating New England and come came from behind.
Speaker 1: I mean, great performance. I just don't think great moments
Speaker 1: eu equate a great career. I go back to just
Speaker 1: for Cowboy fans to make it really simple, when DeMarco
Speaker 1: Murray won the NFL Offensive Player of the Year is
Speaker 1: a free agent, I said, look, I don't think you
Speaker 1: should pay a great quarterback a great contract to a
Speaker 1: guy who had a great year because I don't believe
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray is a great running back. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good running back who had a great year. I
Speaker 1: think Eli Manning was a good quarterback who had two
Speaker 1: great runs to win Super Bowls. I don't think that
Speaker 1: puts him in camp. He never was an NFL Offensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, he was never an MVP, he
Speaker 1: was never first team All Blows. He had four Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1: I mean, you start talking about the Pro Bowls I
Speaker 1: think Tony had at least three maybe four same in
Speaker 1: his career. DA's already got two, and so the guy
Speaker 1: had some seasons where they were subpar led He led
Speaker 1: the league interceptions three years. I mean, I just I
Speaker 1: just think he's to me. When I think a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, I have to attach the word great to you.
Speaker 1: Eli Manning was not a great player, so he's not
Speaker 1: getting in on your on you. I had a vote,
Speaker 1: I would not give it to Eli. How much you
Speaker 1: think super bowls way in when you're doing that voting projects.
Speaker 1: People have to be careful with these the Super Bowl things.
Speaker 1: What will happen in Eli's favor? He played for the
Speaker 1: New York Giants, and he will get because it's New York.
Speaker 1: And then New York beat New England and Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: the Dynasty twice. It's gonna sway a lot of people
Speaker 1: that way. I was already I was listening to Trerest
Speaker 1: Payler of Yahoo NFL Sports and on his podcast, and
Speaker 1: he has a vote, and that stuff swayed his way.
Speaker 1: But he has what he calls this algorithm about all
Speaker 1: these things that he puts into you know, whether or
Speaker 1: not a guy should be in the Hall Boomer Sisson
Speaker 1: had a better number in his algorithm than he used.
Speaker 1: I go back to Jim Plunkett, and this is before
Speaker 1: your time. Jim Plunkett was the quarterbacks of the Raiders.
Speaker 1: They were the first wildcard team to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They were a underdog against the Philadelphia Eagles and Super
Speaker 1: Bowl fifteen at the Superdome. They ended up winning that
Speaker 1: game twenty seven to ten. Then they end up in
Speaker 1: super Bowl eighteen. This is when Washington was already the
Speaker 1: defending champion. They had set a record for points score.
Speaker 1: That's when they had the fun buns. And this is
Speaker 1: a great ten head they had John Riggins me this
Speaker 1: was a great NFL team about to become a dynasty.
Speaker 1: The Raiders on Black Sunday ended up beating the Brakes
Speaker 1: off of him and Marcus Allen was the MVP. But
Speaker 1: there's Jim Plunkett with two super Bowls. Oh, underdog in
Speaker 1: both games. You know it wasn't the MVP of any
Speaker 1: of the games. But still, this guy can't get in.
Speaker 1: This guy was a good quarterback who had two really
Speaker 1: great runs. So why do we change it for Eli
Speaker 1: Manning because he's in New York? Because we like him
Speaker 1: because he was a class player. He was also an
Speaker 1: MVP into both of those Super Bowls. He's also manning,
Speaker 1: don't don't, don't, don't forget that. Get say he didn't,
Speaker 1: but he didn't. He didn't get dragged to his second
Speaker 1: super Bowl like Peyton did. I feel like in his
Speaker 1: second he won it. He won both of his supol
Speaker 1: He was the MVP and both of them. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Nick Foles win Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, got an MVP,
Speaker 1: Nick Boles. This this is what I was saying with Nui.
Speaker 1: When you start talking about those type of things to
Speaker 1: get you in. If you have a horrible, not okay
Speaker 1: regular season and then all of a sudden the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you become this great player and then your Super Bowl
Speaker 1: MVP and you win a super Bowl. So now Nick
Speaker 1: Voles has a Super Bowl mvper Bowl. I know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But even if you do it once, you
Speaker 1: have that on your record. So did you say just
Speaker 1: because you got that, you should be somewhere on the ballot.
Speaker 1: I think he should be Nick Vos, not Nick Voles. No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Nick Voles. I'm saying. I'm saying so
Speaker 1: I'm saying, No, I'm not talking that saying that Eli
Speaker 1: shouldn't be whatever I'm saying. When you start talking about
Speaker 1: and you start listening to accolades, you have you have
Speaker 1: to think about the entirety of the career versus just
Speaker 1: that moment, like like knew he said, because you can
Speaker 1: go in and win the Super Bowl and win MVP
Speaker 1: and get a statue and all that stuff, but you're
Speaker 1: like Nick Foles not getting into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: So the entirety of what the the even records one
Speaker 1: seventy one, one seventy one, the entirety of his career,
Speaker 1: one seventeen, one seventeen, The entirety of that is what
Speaker 1: you got, which which one highways more two super Bowl,
Speaker 1: two super Bowl MVPs or the one seventeen the entirety
Speaker 1: of your career. There's a lot of missed playoff years there.
Speaker 1: And even when they won the first Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: it was a wild card team and granted Eli Manning
Speaker 1: and that team went on a fantastic run. They beat
Speaker 1: Tampa and that was a you know, one of those
Speaker 1: Grutens teams towards the end. So then they go beat
Speaker 1: to Tampa. Then they come and face the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: number one seed at the stadium. They win that. Then
Speaker 1: they go to the NFC Championship game at lambeau Field.
Speaker 1: They get it done in over time. Then you face
Speaker 1: an undefeated New England Patriots team that's about to set
Speaker 1: a you know, a record for for wins ever and
Speaker 1: actually they did in regular season wins. And you know,
Speaker 1: we hadn't seen the team was eighteen and old. When
Speaker 1: then they make up eighteen and one. It was a
Speaker 1: great run. It was a phenomenal run. But in sixteen
Speaker 1: years there were not You had two great runs, but
Speaker 1: there was a lot of that entirety of the career,
Speaker 1: and he was Okay, when you talk about Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: being one of the greats, he's not. That mean. Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes already has more. You know, he's won an MVP.
Speaker 1: All right, let mege it. So if Aaron Rodgers retires
Speaker 1: next year, do you put him in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is done, He's done. He's of fames.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Yes, the entirety of what he's able to do,
Speaker 1: it's not very many bad bad things are bad seasons
Speaker 1: or miss playoff like that. It's not the same as
Speaker 1: Eli Elist sixteen years, Like you said, two super Bowls,
Speaker 1: A lot a lot of question first, even even when
Speaker 1: what about Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs? He smoked those ers.
Speaker 1: This is a good stat because I was talking to
Speaker 1: somebody the other day and they were talking about the Packers,
Speaker 1: and he said, look, what are the big issues in
Speaker 1: Aaron's career? Has been? How bad the defenses have been?
Speaker 1: I believe he has say so we no, no, no, listen,
Speaker 1: listen to how bad the deefen has been in these losses.
Speaker 1: I believe he has either eight or ten playoff losses.
Speaker 1: In those losses, the Packer defenses have given up thirty
Speaker 1: six points, average thirty six points. And then the wins
Speaker 1: they've averaged seventeen. And then this person was telling me
Speaker 1: the defensive Coordinay was saying, look, at some point in time,
Speaker 1: what Green Bay needed to do is address more defense,
Speaker 1: more of their defensive needs, and just how much does
Speaker 1: the defense help you out? Now, you think about those
Speaker 1: Giants teams against the Patriots. You know the Pages were
Speaker 1: scoring a whole bunch of points on those teams. You
Speaker 1: know they have not was vicious straight hand J P G.
Speaker 1: You know that that you and he basically you also
Speaker 1: do need help, by the way, and he says, as
Speaker 1: great as Aaron Rodgers has been, but you basically in
Speaker 1: his points, you're basically saying, Aaron, we need you to
Speaker 1: go win the game. That that was six thing about
Speaker 1: your mind. Most did win with that great defense in
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. So we're gonna say that's all
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers winning that defense. No, no, no, no. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm still talking about the entirety of the career. Right.
Speaker 1: When you think of Aaron Rodgers coming into your building,
Speaker 1: it's a different thought than when you think of Eli
Speaker 1: Manning coming into your building. When we when we watch
Speaker 1: film and there and Eli was coming, you say, you
Speaker 1: know what, it's time to get picks. You did say that, boy,
Speaker 1: a rod you say, man, I'm just saying. But you
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you better be on your piece of
Speaker 1: qus because Aaron Rodgers make me like the food. That's true.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, there's a lot of times we sit
Speaker 1: there and watch the TV. He say, it's Eli throwing
Speaker 1: with his eyes closed. He thought the several round with
Speaker 1: some with some accuracy. But other than that, man, the dude,
Speaker 1: the dude was a little shaky. If you comparing those
Speaker 1: two guys got your game playing for them too is totally.
Speaker 1: It is different because everybody can make different type of throws.
Speaker 1: I get what you and just just just rolling out
Speaker 1: just some of the career stats. We're looking at an
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Obviously, you know, super Bowl champions, super Bowl MVP,
Speaker 1: two times, he won the NFL MVP. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: a big time eight time Pro Bowl or two time
Speaker 1: first team All Pro, second team All Pro once UM
Speaker 1: Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year UH set the
Speaker 1: career mark for NFL passer rating at one or two
Speaker 1: point four UM in the season he said it UH one,
Speaker 1: twenty two point five and twenty eleven. The touchdown interception
Speaker 1: ratio is fantastic. Four hundred and two consecutive passes without say,
Speaker 1: when you talked about Aaron Rodgers, you talked about his
Speaker 1: greatness and then you measure him. Okay, who are the
Speaker 1: people you were playing up against? You know people are
Speaker 1: talking Aaron Rodgers. Is that you don't You never said
Speaker 1: that about Elis? This is true. This is true. Never
Speaker 1: said that about Elis. And that's when I talk about
Speaker 1: you know, we I'm I'm writing down and saying you
Speaker 1: are one of the greats. Okay, I don't feel elis that.
Speaker 1: I feel like he had two great runs and had
Speaker 1: a really good sixteen year career, but I just don't
Speaker 1: put it there. I'm also also probably going to be
Speaker 1: in the minority. All right, we gotta sit up here
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Speaker 1: Back to the players, Loud Luis Scrugs, longtime sportscaster. Here
Speaker 1: at Dallas Fort Worth, Barry Churches the former Dallas Cowboys player,
Speaker 1: Danny McCray, former Dallas Cowboys player. This is players lines.
Speaker 1: We do it every Friday from the Star. Barry was
Speaker 1: not with us last week when we spoke about Drew
Speaker 1: Piersons of Barry's asking a couple of questions in the break,
Speaker 1: So let me just kind of go ahead and give
Speaker 1: you that that whole Drew Pierson running. I was at
Speaker 1: Drew's house, so I worked thirteen years with Drew on
Speaker 1: Sunday nights at NBC five. So I have a great
Speaker 1: knowledge of this because Drew and I spoke many times
Speaker 1: about it. So Drew Pierson is now the only member
Speaker 1: of the All Decade nineteen seventies first team who is
Speaker 1: not in. There were two first team members not in
Speaker 1: before they came out with the centennial class. It was
Speaker 1: Cliff Harris safety with the Cowboys who played five five
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, two wins, and Drew. I mean they even
Speaker 1: put the punt a gray guy in. So with these
Speaker 1: two guys, Drew didn't get in the All seventies second
Speaker 1: team receiver Harold Carmichael got Drew spot before him. So
Speaker 1: when we were watching it and Harold Carmichael was a
Speaker 1: third name out there, I immediately said, they're gonna put
Speaker 1: three receivers in. I said that they would put in
Speaker 1: two because it was ten. It was ten players that
Speaker 1: we're going to get in. I said, and beforehand, I
Speaker 1: just now I wrote it, and I even told Drew.
Speaker 1: I said, Drew, it'll be you and Max Speedy. They'll
Speaker 1: get in. That's what I'm thinking, because Max Speedy was
Speaker 1: a guy to play for the Cleveland Browns, great player,
Speaker 1: had been overlooked all decade, got needed to be in.
Speaker 1: So I figured it would be the two first team guys.
Speaker 1: Harold gets in, I'm thinking, men, it's gonna be three.
Speaker 1: Then I get tipped off Cliff Harris was gonna get in.
Speaker 1: And this was before the announcement of the clip. I
Speaker 1: go back to someone who told me they're not going
Speaker 1: to put three cowboys in. It'll put in two of
Speaker 1: this class they're not gonna put because it was a
Speaker 1: total of fifteen. So they'll put in two, they will
Speaker 1: not put in three. Well, Jimmy Johnson had got in,
Speaker 1: so now I knew. Cliff got in that and Harold in.
Speaker 1: Now I know we're in trouble. And then the last
Speaker 1: person who got in was Max Speedy. So now Drew
Speaker 1: Pearson since the nineteen thirties, and you go into first
Speaker 1: team All decade White receivers, there are eighteen of them.
Speaker 1: Seventeen are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Drew
Speaker 1: is the only one who's not in. Don't look at
Speaker 1: numbers because if people look at numbers today, they'll say, oh,
Speaker 1: he didn't have any numbers. And I'm sitting here trying
Speaker 1: to educate people on Twitter. There's a different football game.
Speaker 1: What you're watching today is not the kind of football
Speaker 1: that was played in the nineteen seventies. You, as a
Speaker 1: defensive backe, sit up here, run the whole route of
Speaker 1: guy runs down the field. You could push him, mug him,
Speaker 1: hit him, do whatever. You can't do that today in
Speaker 1: quarterbacks you was getting hit high. I mean there was
Speaker 1: they were roughing the guys. I mean there's a different
Speaker 1: football game. Here is the issue for Drew Pearson. The
Speaker 1: entire time after you retire nineteen eighty three, and once
Speaker 1: he was eligible as a modern day era candidate, he
Speaker 1: was never put on the ballot to be discussed in
Speaker 1: the room. Okay, Steve Atwater's name is going to be
Speaker 1: discussed in the room next week, next Saturday. Drew never
Speaker 1: got in the room. This was the first time Drew
Speaker 1: got in a room over thirty years. First team got
Speaker 1: the writers failed Drew Pearson. So now Drew has moved
Speaker 1: into the seniors category. So the hope next year to
Speaker 1: try to get him in the Class of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: is come August when they start talking again about senior candidates,
Speaker 1: is that Drew can get on that list. Now here
Speaker 1: comes the tough part. They'll only put in two senior
Speaker 1: candidates and the class of twenty twenty one. But his
Speaker 1: case is going to be stronger. Two ways. This is
Speaker 1: a better opportunity for Drew. This class of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: will be voted on Senior Writers. There will be nobody
Speaker 1: else like a Bill Belichick and Bill Polian, people who
Speaker 1: might think a little bit differently. These writers are going
Speaker 1: to have to face the fact that, according to the
Speaker 1: very criteria they said, they have denied a man who
Speaker 1: has earned Okay, and I say this all day long,
Speaker 1: and I'll fight anybody, Drew Pearson has earned a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame jacket based on the criteria that the writers
Speaker 1: have used to induct people in. So, of course, is
Speaker 1: it is there a difference when they say like Senior
Speaker 1: Hall of Family? Is there an asterisk beside Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1: But and so what the Senior Committee is about is
Speaker 1: over time, guys, guys get passed over. Some guys will
Speaker 1: fall through the cracks. And that's what the Senior Committee
Speaker 1: was made up to do, to say, hey, look, you
Speaker 1: know what, we've got some guys who we missed on
Speaker 1: that we as the Hall made a mistake and we
Speaker 1: need to correct the error. And now that they have
Speaker 1: the Contributors category, one reason that the Contributors categories are saying,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some people who really haven't played a
Speaker 1: major part in the National Football League. But according to
Speaker 1: how we vote right now, five modern day people, two seniors,
Speaker 1: they probably won't get in. It's very hard to get
Speaker 1: in it. So that's how someone like Jerry Jones ended
Speaker 1: up making it because they wanted to say they're people
Speaker 1: out here who've made a major contribution to pro football
Speaker 1: and how we see it that we can't tell the
Speaker 1: game without him. But it's really hard because you want
Speaker 1: to try to reward the players. One are the next
Speaker 1: categories that they're gonna come up with it is they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out a way to put some
Speaker 1: assistant coaches into the profitable hall. Yeah, because there are
Speaker 1: some guys who are great assistants weren't necessarily the guy's
Speaker 1: head coaches, but made a difference over a long period
Speaker 1: of time that you have to say, you know you
Speaker 1: made a difference. Now that we're seeing general managers get in,
Speaker 1: George Young, who helped build those Giants teams, that guy
Speaker 1: is now we have to make sure we recognize these
Speaker 1: people because the process, honestly, you don't let a lot
Speaker 1: of people in. That's one great thing what makes it special.
Speaker 1: But they know they've excluded people, so back to your
Speaker 1: point about the seniors. The hope is Drew's on the
Speaker 1: ballot in August, and as they go through the process
Speaker 1: and whittle it down, that Drew is one of the
Speaker 1: finals because his case is strong. And you look at
Speaker 1: the people you've passed over. So first team all nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: two wide receives, Lynswan, Drew Pierson, lyns wan In by
Speaker 1: the way, took lynz one way too long to get so,
Speaker 1: Paul Warfield, second team, Harold Carmichael second team. They're in
Speaker 1: John Stalworth neither first nor second team. They voted him.
Speaker 1: You have no more excuses. This is a guy you
Speaker 1: have to put in. He's got the memorable moments, he's
Speaker 1: got a Super Bowl ring. He checked off all the
Speaker 1: boxes that they say you should have to get into
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So at this point
Speaker 1: in time, I've said to Drew Purson, I said it's
Speaker 1: time to start shaming them. When I showed the video
Speaker 1: of Drew at his house walking away in tears, I
Speaker 1: wanted people to see that this is what you have done.
Speaker 1: This is what you've done to a man who has
Speaker 1: earned the jacket. It's one thing if you don't win
Speaker 1: and you don't earn it. But this guy earned it.
Speaker 1: He checked all the bout so it's not a matter
Speaker 1: of if it's just win. He's sixty nine years old.
Speaker 1: What I would say to anybody on the Committee of
Speaker 1: the Seniors Committee is, look, let's not ever have another
Speaker 1: Kin Stabler situation. For years, Jenny Stabler had to me
Speaker 1: a resume that said, look, you were one of the
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks of the seventies. No, he wasn't first or
Speaker 1: second team all decade because that went to Terry Bradshaw
Speaker 1: and Rodestava. But when you talk about the great teams
Speaker 1: of the seventies, it was the Vikings, it was the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it was the Steelers, it was the Dolphins, and it
Speaker 1: was the Raiders. No team won more games than the
Speaker 1: Raiders of the seventies. He got a Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1: I mean, try to win a Super Bowl when you
Speaker 1: had the Miami Dolphins, who would perfect her want two
Speaker 1: back to back Super Bowls? The Steelers who won four
Speaker 1: to Super Bowl. If you just got into the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl back then, it was hard. It was like trying
Speaker 1: to get in while Michael Jordan trying trying to get
Speaker 1: in the Finance and the east of Michael Jordan was playing.
Speaker 1: They were that good or trying to get to a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl out of the AFC while the Patriots to go.
Speaker 1: That's how tough the competition was in the seventies. Man,
Speaker 1: it was hard. And Kenny Stabler, in my opinion, was
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback. And when you talked about
Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks that you had to talk about the Snake.
Speaker 1: I mean they were throwing the ball. I was out there.
Speaker 1: We're going deep we I mean, you know one you
Speaker 1: just want dinking and Duncan you put Bob Greasey in?
Speaker 1: I mean you look at Bob Greasy's I think Bob
Speaker 1: Greasy won a Super Bowl. I think he threw maybe
Speaker 1: eight or eleven passes. I mean, and I beating up Bob.
Speaker 1: He did what they asked him to do. But that
Speaker 1: year they went undefeated. Earl Morrell won more games because
Speaker 1: Greasy was hurt, and then the second Super Bowl. You
Speaker 1: Greasy was never the MVP of any of them, right,
Speaker 1: one of the defensive guys was MVP second when Zanka
Speaker 1: was the MVP. The first one that was a running
Speaker 1: football team. They didn't throw the ball, but he was
Speaker 1: in because he helped them win. So to me, you
Speaker 1: can't sit around here and say stated it wasn't worthy
Speaker 1: because he was right there and he wanted it so
Speaker 1: bad he died. Cliff Branch was also on the ballot.
Speaker 1: Cliff did not get in. I spoke to Cliff at
Speaker 1: the Texas Black Sports Hall of Fame about three four
Speaker 1: years ago. I said, man, you deserve to be in.
Speaker 1: He was on three Super Bowl teams. He was on
Speaker 1: Super Bowl eleven, super Bowl fifteen, and eighteen. That's a
Speaker 1: long time, man, because excuse about for the nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: six to nineteen eighty three, and the guy played with
Speaker 1: three different quarterbacks. I mean, the guy was definitely one
Speaker 1: of the play You talk about three super Bowl he's
Speaker 1: on all three Raiders super Bowl teams. Deserved his spot,
Speaker 1: but didn't get in, and he died, And I just think,
Speaker 1: what a shame. We can't keep trying to all Right,
Speaker 1: Barry's dead. Now, let's let us honor man boy. We're sorry,
Speaker 1: Barry's family, We're sorry we didn't put it in when
Speaker 1: he was here and he was alive. It took him
Speaker 1: dying for us. Long lived Barry Church. What's worse is
Speaker 1: watching one of Jim Brown's teammates. It was a guard
Speaker 1: they put in and I was there and the man
Speaker 1: couldn't speak Fran Tarkington. I was a Fran Tarry was
Speaker 1: somebody else's think it was a son who did it.
Speaker 1: And then it was another one, mctinle haff A center,
Speaker 1: who was Frank Tarkington center with the with the Vikings
Speaker 1: on four Super Bowl teams. He wasn't able to speak articulately.
Speaker 1: He was old and was in a wheelchair. It was
Speaker 1: just like that. Well, when you know Berry, when you've
Speaker 1: seen the Vikings four super Bowl teams, this guy was
Speaker 1: a starting center. Fran Tarkington ends up making the Pro
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. When Fran retired, you know, nobody
Speaker 1: had throw him from more yards and he told him
Speaker 1: guy was a great prolific quarterback. You know this guy.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta have some people there helping you
Speaker 1: along the way. And then they decided to wait until
Speaker 1: the dude can't stand up there and give his own speech.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Why are we waiting till to wait? We gotta wait
Speaker 1: till you are jacked up to say, hey man, my bad,
Speaker 1: my bad. So that's my that's my two cents. Hopefully
Speaker 1: it drew get in that next year. I'm starting to
Speaker 1: shame people in if it worked, if it might as well.
Speaker 1: You don't think should have been a first ballot No, no,
Speaker 1: I do not. No, you don't. Things look okay, you
Speaker 1: need we talk. That's one thing, Barry, that that clouds
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. But we talk about numbers. Um.
Speaker 1: I also think that winning is a part of this.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, how many teams couldn't wait
Speaker 1: to get rid of the guy so and he was
Speaker 1: also the issue for me. You could have made the
Speaker 1: argument that Michael Irvin, Chris Carter, Andre Reid, Tim Brown,
Speaker 1: you could have said these guys were all first teams
Speaker 1: as well. They don't like to wait. Lynn Swan is
Speaker 1: a part of four Super Bowl teams. Was it was
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl MVP as a player, that dude had
Speaker 1: to wait almost ten years to get it. I mean
Speaker 1: he was he was so mad at something that, hey, brother,
Speaker 1: guess what, You're not the first great player who didn't
Speaker 1: get it. When I said, when you tell me first
Speaker 1: ballot guy, it's a Jerry Rice, it's an Immi Smith,
Speaker 1: it's a dude, where you just to was never first
Speaker 1: team all decade? I think he shouldn't have been. All look, okay,
Speaker 1: look at these like the man. If we're talking about
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame to get in, there were
Speaker 1: talking about just football, you know the first Okay, do
Speaker 1: you know who the first teamers were for the Let
Speaker 1: me tell tell me. Okay it was it was Randy Moss. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was Marvin Harrison. Okay, better than both of those
Speaker 1: guys on the field. And when you when you want
Speaker 1: to go, you want to go numbers, Randy mart you
Speaker 1: want to go number, go ahead. Remember who Marvin played with,
Speaker 1: Peyton He had numbers, he had Yeah, he had you
Speaker 1: sitting there telling me those two are better than Terrell Owens. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just talking about strict Randy Moss. It's
Speaker 1: better than t O football. And Randy was first back.
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, you are. You are. Anybody ever said
Speaker 1: you got to you got most. So we're just saying
Speaker 1: we talked about cash, friends or numbers the whole Randy's numbers.
Speaker 1: Who got better numbers? Please please do listen. Randy was
Speaker 1: better than t O your Margaret Harrison thing. You know,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about numbers and Tio's numbers are better
Speaker 1: than Randy Mars. How is Randy Marks better than t o?
Speaker 1: All right, just so you know, here was your you
Speaker 1: I go back, there was two thousand. For the two thousands,
Speaker 1: you're all decade team first team wide receiver. It's Moss
Speaker 1: and Harrison your second team, Tory Holt and Tarall owns Now.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind all three year end. Holt is on
Speaker 1: the Ballad edition. So I didn't if Tory's not in,
Speaker 1: he will get in. I mean because just start looking
Speaker 1: at the guys on the list and how they do
Speaker 1: things that they'll they'll find their way in. I don't
Speaker 1: think that there's ever a debate about Randy from the
Speaker 1: time this guy came in here as a rookie set
Speaker 1: rookie records to setting the all time mark of most
Speaker 1: touchdowns in a season. And you think about this with
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Tom Brady's greatest year where he threw fifteen
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, it was with Randy Moss, Dante Culpepper, Dante
Speaker 1: Culpepper gums in as a as as as a Brook
Speaker 1: And you see the kind of numbers. Randall Cuttingham was
Speaker 1: a backup player and all of a sudden goes to
Speaker 1: Minnesota and revives his career, throwing it to Randy Mos.
Speaker 1: I mean, Randy Moss is a weapon that we had,
Speaker 1: one of those rare weapons that you just don't see
Speaker 1: very Also, TiO wasn't that weapon? Not like to the
Speaker 1: numbers exact y'all saying they're like Tio's numbers aren't what
Speaker 1: they were. I'm telling you watching the game that I
Speaker 1: think Randy Moss conversation. Are we talking about the length
Speaker 1: of the career and once you've done in your career
Speaker 1: or just a couple runs and play here? No, we're
Speaker 1: talking about his the entire career, Randy Moss's career. Whose
Speaker 1: numbers were better? Okay, I'm just going down here. Here
Speaker 1: you go, you back on the numbers and nick foles.
Speaker 1: We talk about your career, yeah, Mark, Yeah, not just
Speaker 1: the run. So we're talking about the whole numbers right
Speaker 1: as in what he's done. And we've watched the game.
Speaker 1: You up fairly think when you watching a TiO, did
Speaker 1: you think that he played better than Randy Moss? I
Speaker 1: think Randy the numbers back me. Then, how how's that run?
Speaker 1: I don't know because we also talked about here, you're
Speaker 1: into your numbers, and this is a very very even split.
Speaker 1: So numbers wise, when it comes to receptions, Marvin had
Speaker 1: more one thousand, one hundred and two, Tarrell had one
Speaker 1: thousand and seventy eight. They're basically the same. When it
Speaker 1: comes to receiving yards Marvin fourteen thousand, five h eighty
Speaker 1: tifteen thousand, nine hundred and thirty four. When it comes
Speaker 1: to receiving touchdowns, terib with a bigger mark, one fifty
Speaker 1: three to one twenty eight. Where's Moss in this one? Moss? Okay,
Speaker 1: put to me, I'm putting Moss overhead. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's already. So we are going the numbers. Oh, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all going after the actual fact, going out watching the game.
Speaker 1: We think we're talking about facts though. Go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, all right? So Jo got him in yards
Speaker 1: and touchdown. Yeah. So so here's Marvin, just some some
Speaker 1: statistics since you're into the career. Highlights of stats here
Speaker 1: Marvin eight time Pro bowler, three time first team All Pro,
Speaker 1: five times second team All Pro, two time NFL receiving
Speaker 1: yards leader, ninety nine in two thousand and two NFL
Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns co leader in two thousand and five, two
Speaker 1: time NFL receptions leader in two years in a row,
Speaker 1: all decadeeen two thousand, one hundredth Anniversary NFL uh Anniversary team. There.
Speaker 1: Let me go back here over to Tarrell, six time
Speaker 1: Pro Bowler, five team first time for five time first
Speaker 1: team All Pro, three time NFL receiving touchdowns a leader,
Speaker 1: NFL decade, second team. They're very they're very comparable. But
Speaker 1: Marvin got the nod. Give me Marvin has go back
Speaker 1: to what you said when you talked about first ballot.
Speaker 1: Marvin wasn't first ballot. Terrell wasn't first. It's hard, okay,
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about writing, but if I if I
Speaker 1: am writing down like you're in, Moss was in because
Speaker 1: of his numbers or just just the numbers, the dominant weapon.
Speaker 1: There was no better wide receiver during Man had better numbers.
Speaker 1: How are we going to sit there and say he
Speaker 1: was not as dominant as Moss. I just don't understand that.
Speaker 1: I say he's a better player than than Tero. All right,
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I just don't understand if the
Speaker 1: numbers back it up, how can we sit there and
Speaker 1: say he's not better. All right, here's your Moss. Here's
Speaker 1: your Moss. Okay, here's your the three main categories reception,
Speaker 1: yards and TDS, receptions, he had less than both men. Okay,
Speaker 1: nine eighty two, So Marvin Harrison was better than uh
Speaker 1: Randy Moss. We ain't done yards okay, because his numbers,
Speaker 1: the numbers the worst yardage, uh fifteen thousand, two hundred
Speaker 1: ninety two, so more than Harrison, less than Moss when
Speaker 1: it comes to yeah, less when it comes to receiving touchdowns,
Speaker 1: he has more than he had, more than both. He
Speaker 1: had more than both to less at one fifty six
Speaker 1: yeah td so yeah, yeah, he got more tds, but
Speaker 1: less receiving yards and less reception. Let's let's receiving yards
Speaker 1: behind me a couple hundred? Was it fifteen thousand? I'm
Speaker 1: in the t o um TiO had fifteen thousand, nine
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen thousand, what nine hundred and ninety two
Speaker 1: tds to had three less? T I'm sorry they and
Speaker 1: the numbers for show that the man got more touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He got two hundred less your arts maybe less and
Speaker 1: less catchers, so he got less catchers, more touchdowns and
Speaker 1: two hundred less yards. Come on, Mary less, he over
Speaker 1: me talking like to is like the definitely better than
Speaker 1: MoMA was better. You can't you over like you can't
Speaker 1: believe that we would say better than he was better?
Speaker 1: And they gottowns. Stay back, Wait what the stats you are?
Speaker 1: You are you really about the band got less cancers?
Speaker 1: So are we doing this on opinions or facts? That
Speaker 1: all I want to know? He wasn't less yards? Three
Speaker 1: touchdown so he scored more. Here's what we know. Moss
Speaker 1: was first ballot terribly. So you buy yourself in this thought.
Speaker 1: People who vote on this, this is what they thought.
Speaker 1: People who vote has also made Pierson Waite and all
Speaker 1: these decades. But remember there right now. But he's still
Speaker 1: the same thing. Though Marva Harrison got more cats than
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, but he said Moss is better than Harrison.
Speaker 1: All right, we we just talk about nothing that we've
Speaker 1: taken this argument too far, too far. Okay, we have
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Speaker 1: we can get ready to close to the show. Sanjay
Speaker 1: Law cowboy wide receiver coach not coming back. Adam Henry
Speaker 1: is reported to be coming in. So I was listening
Speaker 1: to Jacques Taylor, good, buddy, money, we used to work together.
Speaker 1: Jacques Taylor was saying that he had a source inside
Speaker 1: and started talking about how bad Sanjay Law was as
Speaker 1: a coach and that Sanjay Law was a technical guy
Speaker 1: who sweet talk Jason Garritt into a job and he
Speaker 1: wasn't good and said, do not judge Amari Cooper based
Speaker 1: on Sanjay Lyle or even Michael Gallant. And then Fall said, well,
Speaker 1: how did these guys have the Numb're like, hey, these
Speaker 1: guys with that kind of talent that Sanjay Law is
Speaker 1: not good. Now, I will tell you this. I know
Speaker 1: someone who used to work on two stafs with Sanjay
Speaker 1: Law who thought that Sanjay was not good at his job.
Speaker 1: And when he got the job, and he said, had
Speaker 1: that guy get a job? He said, you know what,
Speaker 1: when Chris Hogan left Buffalo, he was just a guy
Speaker 1: ends up going into England, helps them go to Super
Speaker 1: Bowls And he said, you know what, Robert Woods was
Speaker 1: there with Sanjay Lyle. Robert Woods was just a guy
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, goes out out there to the Rams. The
Speaker 1: next thing you know, this guy straight ball and he says,
Speaker 1: how good is Sanjay? He said, he's not good and
Speaker 1: this thing was repeated. Now, I always say that success
Speaker 1: leaves clues. Cowboys just had two one thousand yard receives, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Sanjay's jobless, jobless right now? Is that man you know
Speaker 1: I have is the man with the bricks, right and
Speaker 1: the bricks And they said that they thought that Sanjay
Speaker 1: didn't understand the offense, that he didn't really understand the
Speaker 1: concepts of the offense of the Cowboys. So yes, so
Speaker 1: on the way I sang Jay Lyle with the you know,
Speaker 1: a scathing criticism of him also not kept in So
Speaker 1: Adam Henry is going to be coming to uh coming here,
Speaker 1: but yes, Sanjay not there. So that this was also
Speaker 1: one of the issues of how do you judge Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper and a Mari Cooper as I said, the source
Speaker 1: told Jacques because I told you, I said, guy wasn't
Speaker 1: one hundred percent even though he said he was fine,
Speaker 1: wasn't hurting. The guy wasn't The guy was not there.
Speaker 1: And then how do you judge Amar Cooper when you've
Speaker 1: got a wire receivers coach that you don't think highly up.
Speaker 1: I think the last six games, I hope he was hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he better have been hurt. I don't have nothing about coaching.
Speaker 1: The only the only thing that make you played that
Speaker 1: bad is that caliber receiver is being hurt. And I
Speaker 1: talked to coach and I told you I didn't think
Speaker 1: the guy was straight. You know, he came into the
Speaker 1: season injured and he and he had a decent year
Speaker 1: by his standards. But they're still a guy one also
Speaker 1: all right? Byron Jones. It's another thing that Jack had
Speaker 1: brought up on his show Jam session on ESPN Dallas.
Speaker 1: Here that Byron Jones seventy three games, two picks, and
Speaker 1: they're trying to decide what type of number they give him. Um,
Speaker 1: I forgot that Byron's an older place, twenty eight years old.
Speaker 1: How many yes, remember he played all four years that
Speaker 1: you come. So you're talking about trying to give up,
Speaker 1: you know, a contract of four or five years to
Speaker 1: a players twenty eight years old? Two picks. And here's
Speaker 1: the two picks he had. He had one on a
Speaker 1: hail mary and the other one was off a tip ballot.
Speaker 1: Let's his completion on his way. What I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: pix matter, pis matter, but getting the ball caught on
Speaker 1: you matter more. And in today's NFL, what are you
Speaker 1: paying for? You're paying for guys who can get their
Speaker 1: hands on the ball. So this is what this is
Speaker 1: another big decision. What you're looking at with Cooper? What
Speaker 1: do you weigh? Same thing with Byron Jones? What are
Speaker 1: you weighing? And then what is it gonna cost you?
Speaker 1: You're gonna try He's gonna probably command thirteen to fourteen
Speaker 1: millions dollars, So Cooper may want twenty and you may
Speaker 1: try to set on eighteen million dollars. So how much
Speaker 1: do you you know? I just believe you're gonna come
Speaker 1: down or choosing one of these things and keeping on three.
Speaker 1: So just like REVS right, So when when when Rex
Speaker 1: Ryan had REVS right? The thing that Rex Ryan was
Speaker 1: able to do was playing only for half of the field.
Speaker 1: He put REVS out there by itself and that he
Speaker 1: was able to focus his defense on everybody else, which
Speaker 1: is for defensive coordinators, it's probably the best thing that
Speaker 1: you can get when minus not having interceptions, When you
Speaker 1: put Byron out there, that is what you get. You
Speaker 1: get where this is this is your guy, You follow
Speaker 1: this guy, this is your guy. Everybody else we're gonna
Speaker 1: focus on the other team. Guys, right, kind of comes
Speaker 1: down to who who? Who? Would you have to have
Speaker 1: the Who's the guy from Baltimore? Who's a game Peters? Peters?
Speaker 1: Who who got random by the LA? He gets burnt
Speaker 1: up by the LA. He makes big plays in Baltimore,
Speaker 1: but he also gives up big plays. Or do you
Speaker 1: want a consistent factor? He might not make a lot
Speaker 1: of interceptions, but he does hold it side of the
Speaker 1: field down. That's just what they got away when somebody
Speaker 1: else gets some picked scheme for him acceptions from the
Speaker 1: other guy. All right, don't cut number one while he
Speaker 1: on the place. But let's fast let's fast track through
Speaker 1: a couple of these topics. Right here at the end
Speaker 1: of the show. Dez Bryant is uh talking about to
Speaker 1: come back, and there's some folks who wants to see
Speaker 1: him wear the star again. I think des would like
Speaker 1: to wear a star again. Where we where are you
Speaker 1: standing on? I just it's two years out of the game.
Speaker 1: That's that's tough to come back from. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he'll be able to do it, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I want to see him play. Um, I don't know, Jim, So,
Speaker 1: I don't know where the fit is. I know that
Speaker 1: we you know, it all depends on what they do
Speaker 1: with Coop. And you got Gallop at number two, so
Speaker 1: as here playing third receiver. You know your thirds, his plans,
Speaker 1: But what is he what is he able to do?
Speaker 1: I want to see him to get out there. I
Speaker 1: want to see him get a chance to play, because
Speaker 1: it's obvious that Daz love loves football. He's been loving
Speaker 1: his entire life. So give somebody to give him a shot.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'd be Jerry, And then we
Speaker 1: know Jerry loves him, so you never know him. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be a different system. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: different system, different room. So but you got three receivers.
Speaker 1: You got Cob, you got Gallup, and you got Coop already,
Speaker 1: so somebody got to move over. And there was my
Speaker 1: next thing is you know McCarthy came out single that
Speaker 1: Randall calls the press company want so he wants him here,
Speaker 1: and then Cobb knows the offense. And if you're Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: what better thing to have as a receiver who can
Speaker 1: help teach everybody else what it is you want. So
Speaker 1: Cobb is going to find a spot here Gallup is
Speaker 1: under contract, he's an emerging player. There's no need to
Speaker 1: do anything to try and hold him back. And then
Speaker 1: you've got Amari Cooper, who they say they want back.
Speaker 1: Who's Jack's number one guy. He's got a comfortable So
Speaker 1: where does des fit? You? Guys know that if Dez
Speaker 1: is here, you fourteen guy, you don't play special teams.
Speaker 1: You can't afford it. Can't do it, not do not.
Speaker 1: When Rick Goslin's special teams rankings came out of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys finished thirty first overall, can't do it. Can't do
Speaker 1: it because because that that puts your new special team
Speaker 1: coaching a boy. And you have a player who doesn't
Speaker 1: play on his teams and he's just taking up a spot.
Speaker 1: So John Fossil, right there, you don't have you don't
Speaker 1: have Dez Bryance. I mean, you wouldn't have Des Brynd
Speaker 1: available with special So to me right there, we've already
Speaker 1: taken him out and let's depend on what happens with Coop. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: if they don't bring Coop, you think no. Okay, forgot
Speaker 1: here's the guy that was last time we were talking
Speaker 1: about him, he said he was gonna go work with
Speaker 1: a route coach. That is true. And what was used
Speaker 1: against him and said the whispers was, hey man, this
Speaker 1: guy doesn't run precise routes. But he didn't. He might
Speaker 1: be doing it now he saw the videos. If you're
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, is this what you want to deal with?
Speaker 1: And you know, I just I just think that. I
Speaker 1: just think the ship is sale. It's hard to go home.
Speaker 1: It's hard to go home somebody. It might not be,
Speaker 1: it might not be here, but I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: get a shot. And I think if he does, I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna shine as much as he can. I
Speaker 1: could see him making some place you can be a
Speaker 1: real zone talket somewhere yet some job and that and
Speaker 1: that goes to what we spoke about. This is how
Speaker 1: does the team want to make up their roster? And
Speaker 1: you want to make up a roster of knowing that
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's not going to play specials
Speaker 1: for you, and though these are these are decisions, he
Speaker 1: plays a better shot of going to New Orleans then
Speaker 1: then trying to come here. I just don't think Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy here is gonna want to go and deal with
Speaker 1: that and everything that you've seen in the past versus, hey,
Speaker 1: can you go sign me? And Amari Cooper, who has
Speaker 1: a who has a connection with my quarterback? What's the
Speaker 1: one thing we saw about Dez and in that they
Speaker 1: didn't have a connection. They didn't have a connection at
Speaker 1: this point in time. I just wouldn't want to gamble
Speaker 1: on for some of these two years out of the game,
Speaker 1: and you know you can't. And he was already an
Speaker 1: older player coming back from injuries. He's not gonna be
Speaker 1: He's not going to be the dead of twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: This is true. He's not that same player. It's like
Speaker 1: a boxer man. You know, as you get older and
Speaker 1: you know, you get injured. Me you're just not saying
Speaker 1: and it's not to say he can't play, but it's
Speaker 1: what it is, all right. The music is playing, Danny mccraig,
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