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Speaker 1: It's now officially open. This is Draft season. Hello everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's all brought to you by Moody's a proud sponsored

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Speaker 2: the New York Football Giants. I am John Schmilke, joined

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Speaker 2: by Tony Pauline, Tony Hyabi sar Okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean, some interesting games on the college front last week,

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Speaker 3: some interesting games on the NFL front as we moved

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Speaker 3: to the midway point of the NFL season. Some big

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Speaker 3: games on the college front coming up but this year.

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Speaker 3: But you know, a lot of close calls last week

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Speaker 3: in college football, but no real upsets. Yeah, did see

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Speaker 3: some good performances.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're in the Hacken Sagra Maary Health podcast studio.

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Speaker 2: Keep getting better and we're doing a little bit different

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Speaker 2: this week when we do our same review of last

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Speaker 2: week of college football, look ahead the next week in

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Speaker 2: college football, kind of two sleepier weeks as we kind

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Speaker 2: of slowly lead up towards you know, and the conference

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Speaker 2: play conference championships stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 2: But also it's about midway point of the NFL season.

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Speaker 2: There isn't really a true midway point anymore because there

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Speaker 2: are seventeen weeks, but eight weeks are in the books.

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Speaker 2: We thought this would be a good time to talk

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Speaker 2: a little bit about what the twenty twenty five rookie

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Speaker 2: class has done so far in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: Tony and I spent so much time talking about these

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Speaker 2: kids leaning up to the draft. I think it's important

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Speaker 2: for us to look at what they've done and maybe

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Speaker 2: learned some lessons from our evaluations last year who's done well,

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Speaker 2: we think about next year's class. But Tony, let's start

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Speaker 2: with last week in college football, and you had a

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Speaker 2: couple of quarterback matchups that you want to focus on, well.

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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks who played against each other. I mean Lenora Sellers

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Speaker 3: against Alabama and Ty Simpson. And you know, I mean

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Speaker 3: Ty Simpson is really developing into an outstanding quarterback. He's

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Speaker 3: making a lot of NFL type throws. He's making a

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Speaker 3: lot of good decisions. He got to like his game.

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Speaker 3: You gotta like the development of his game. But I'm

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Speaker 3: still concerned about the you know, the lack of the

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Speaker 3: game starter. The Laura Sellers, the physical skills are there.

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Speaker 3: He just makes some incredible plays. But there's no consistency.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he'll make an outstanding throw and then there's

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Speaker 3: you wonder what he's thinking, what he's doing. I think

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Speaker 3: weapons at ty Simpson's disposal are significantly better than what

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Speaker 3: Lenora Sellers has I think they failed him in that matter.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think Lenora Sellers has really improved his game.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to say this. You know, people talk

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Speaker 3: talked about Mendoza potentially being the first pick of the

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Speaker 3: but ty Simpson really looks more like an NFL quarterback

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Speaker 3: at this point. I mean, he's making more NFL throws,

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Speaker 3: NFL plays, He's being asked to do more and more

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Speaker 3: and he's doing it well. And the question with ty

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Speaker 3: Simpson if he enters the draft, how high? How high

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Speaker 3: do you select him? You know, there's that Matt Jones's

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Speaker 3: memory kind of come into play, where the guy was

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Speaker 3: a one year starter. Nobody of work. Are you willing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony, and I think that's the thing, and I

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Speaker 2: I think if I had to pick a quarterback in

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Speaker 2: this class first overall, right now, I think I probably

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Speaker 2: his upside. You know, you talk about mac Jones Simpson

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Speaker 2: and in terms of the experience, but Simpson has more

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Speaker 2: physical talent than mac Jones. He's got a cannon. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he is an absolute cannon. He can make all the throws.

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Speaker 2: I think he used to work on getting some touch

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Speaker 2: your point, though, the lack of experience worries me. You know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of the old Bill parcels issms they don't

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Speaker 2: that you want guys that have started thirty games in

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Speaker 2: a real thing. And the NFL, and Dan Brugler says

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Speaker 1: The NFL is not a developmental league, Tony.

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Speaker 2: You know, Anthony Ridgess got picked two years ago and

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Speaker 1: They need time, they need development.

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Speaker 2: Well guess what in two years both teams that attracted

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Speaker 2: those guys like not, we're out, we can't wait, sorry,

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Speaker 2: we're done, finished, We're moving on, We're done. So I

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Speaker 2: hope Simpson gets a boatload of money and goes back.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, to your point, he's in not

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Speaker 2: so and Calen de Boord has a downfield passing attack.

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Speaker 2: We saw that when he was in Washington with Pennix

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Speaker 1: So I mean they have I mean, yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: If I had to pick a quarterback first, and I

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Speaker 2: this year for the record, I think it would probably

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Speaker 3: Well, and the missing the thing that you kind of

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Speaker 3: where was he he was in Washington? Who did he develop?

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Speaker 3: a year too late for Jaln Milroe and now Todd

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Speaker 3: you know, a significant advantage for him to return. Obviously

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Speaker 3: The problem with Trinidad Chambliss is he's probably not even

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Speaker 1: But he's playing really really.

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Speaker 2: Well, all right, incredible well, yeah, incredibly well, And you

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Speaker 2: gotta give him credit again in the end, we'll see,

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Speaker 2: you know, Ole Miss sets up their quarterbacks extremely well.

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Speaker 2: We saw that with Jackson Dort last year and now

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Speaker 2: we got to see Tony. If the coach is gonna

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Speaker 2: see how the whole college landscape gets shuffled this year

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Speaker 3: And there's probably gonna be more before the season's over.

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Speaker 3: You got to look at the Florida State situation. You

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Speaker 3: got to look at Wisconsin. Luke Fickle, surprising to me,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And there'll be a lot of people writing a lot

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Speaker 2: of checks and promising a lot of money around college football,

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Speaker 2: we get to the twenty twenty five draft class, you

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Speaker 2: have some Day two wide receivers that you're excited about.

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Speaker 2: And I'll be honest with the only guy I really

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Speaker 2: watched extensively in this group is Chris Bell out of Louisville.

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Speaker 2: We talked about him last week with Mike Renner. Kind

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Speaker 2: think he's lacking some of that explosiveness that AJ Brown has.

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Speaker 2: I still see him with you. Some people talking about

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think he's a Day two pick like you.

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Speaker 2: But talk about him and these other receivers that have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not just day two, Day two and Day three guys.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there is no definite number one receiver as

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Speaker 2: I mean, Toy, I'll be honest with you. Brazzl's growing

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Speaker 3: And the Arizona State kid is constantly having injury issues,

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Speaker 3: which true to be concerned. He's not a big body receiver,

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Speaker 3: So really, how many first round receivers are there going

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Speaker 3: So you got to start to look at Day two,

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Speaker 3: Day three. You mentioned Chris Bell. We spoke about him

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Speaker 3: He catches everything that's drawn to him. Goes about six

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Speaker 3: He was good last year. I had him as a

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Speaker 3: that second round. A couple of guys, Casey Concepts, she owned,

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Speaker 3: that LSU job. Helped that LSU job open up with

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Speaker 3: he's very explosive. Thirty six receptions, seven touchdowns this year,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony.

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Speaker 2: Every year, you know, you always say that there's gonna

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Speaker 2: But as few players that many positions have emerged in

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Speaker 2: Again just because they're frankly or not that many impressive

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Speaker 3: And it's a need position. I mean, it's a passing league.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of it being a passing league, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five draft class, Tony. I think we

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Speaker 3: It's not even It's not even close. I mean, hands down.

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Speaker 3: And he's making good decisions. He's making terrific passes, he's

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Speaker 3: I mean he continues to play this level. This season

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Speaker 2: And now let's go to the Tennessee Titan Sody, and

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Speaker 1: This year.

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Speaker 2: That have to give Giant fans a lot of hope

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give him a pass on holding the

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Speaker 3: He loses scatable last week in the game, So I

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Speaker 3: I'll pass on that.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Cam Warred Tony and has been

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Speaker 1: If he gets the right coaching staff in there.

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Speaker 3: You better have a new offensive line too, especially a

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Speaker 3: You draft the quarterback early and it constantly happens. You

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Speaker 1: Now you have a couple of building blocks in that line.

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Speaker 2: Right, you have Latham Scoronsky plays inside on that line too, correct,

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Speaker 2: No question. I'm with you one hundred percent. And then finally,

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Speaker 3: I think he's playing what we all thought he would be,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what's going on with Tudor Sanders there.

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Speaker 1: Tony.

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Speaker 2: I think they've met their expectations despite the fact that

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Speaker 3: You know, go back to us about Cam Warred protecting him.

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Speaker 3: is a guy. He has the agility to get to

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00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,880
Speaker 3: get around in the corner, but he turns it upfield

434
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 3: and watch out Camp Scatibo. You know we said this

435
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,640
Speaker 3: when he was drafted by the Giants. He was gonna

436
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 3: be allegend. He was gonna be a legend for Giant fans.

437
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,119
Speaker 3: It's sad to see the ankle issue. I'll let you

438
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,199
Speaker 3: go on go about him on further about but he

439
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: was good catching the ball as well as running the ball.

440
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: And he was pretty good in pass protection too, Tony.

441
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 1: He was doing a good job picking up the blitz.

442
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 3: I mean he bays. He came in as a polished prospect.

443
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 3: You knew what you were getting from him. I think

444
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 3: the upside was that great. He's because he's big. He's

445
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 3: not super fans, but you knew what you were getting

446
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 3: from him, and he's produced. I think Cory Krusky merit

447
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 3: of the Commanders, a guy who barely when he played

448
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 3: two games as a senior because of the eligibility issues.

449
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 3: We saw him at the Shrine Bowl. I think he's

450
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 3: done a good job. And Woody Marks has done a

451
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 3: terrific job as well as a ball carrier and pass

452
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 3: catcher this season.

453
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

454
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And just to add on scataboo, Tony, I wondered

455
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 2: whether or not the ability to break tackles and run

456
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 2: with power at his size, because he's not the biggest guy, right,

457
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: He's kind of just stocky and very He's like a

458
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: bowling ball, but it's playing man. He breaks tackles in

459
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,199
Speaker 2: the NFL too, And again you hope that he can

460
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: bounce back from this injury, and he looks like the

461
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: same guy, obviously a very serious one. He's been released

462
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: from the hospital corning to the Giants after having surgery

463
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: after the game with that ankle injury, So hopefully he

464
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 2: bounces back.

465
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: You know, Tony, you mentioned Will Marks.

466
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 2: And that's a guy that we saw as like a

467
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: hybrid type of player coming out right, kind of a

468
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: third down back. You know the three guys that were

469
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: also picked in the draft, two of them early.

470
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 1: RJ.

471
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: Harvey has had moments for the Broncos, but I think

472
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 2: with the emergence of JK.

473
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: Dobbins there, he hasn't gotten quite as many touch as.

474
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 2: We would have thought, and Trevion Henderson has had trouble

475
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: getting a lot of rumbers. Romondre Stevenson has played well

476
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 2: and you know, one of my favorites, so I have

477
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: to bring him up for Shard Smith in a very

478
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: small role for the Chiefs has been good as a receiver,

479
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: but they don't seem to trust him as a runner,

480
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: so I think, and this is why I brought it

481
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: up earlier. With kind of those four guys we led with,

482
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: they're all kind of bigger backs. These are all smaller backs,

483
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: and I think you're seeing NFL teams trying to figure

484
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 2: out how to use them because I don't think they

485
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: see him as guys that can be their bell cows

486
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: in the running game.

487
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Speaker 3: You know. The funny thing is R. J. Harvey. We'll see,

488
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he had a breakout game on Sunday. We'll

489
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 3: see if they keep the momentum going and if they

490
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 3: keep going back to him. We knew that, you know,

491
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 3: he was a Sean Payton type of back, so you know,

492
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: is the future now for him or do they continue

493
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: to rotate to him and Dobbins, who was a terrific

494
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 3: run up except for all the injuries that he's had.

495
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: And it's funny that you mentioned that the bigger backs.

496
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: Are we going to see running backs? Bigger running backs

497
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 3: starting to be taken earlier in the NFL draft? You know?

498
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 3: Is there a return to that bigger two hundred and

499
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: twenty pound feature runner with the success these guys are having.

500
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Speaker 2: Remember, teams are playing a lot of two safeties deep now, Tony,

501
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: gap scheme, duo power run game is back in style,

502
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: so I think we are, but we'll have to see

503
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: how that goes when we get there this year. All right,

504
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: let's jump to the pass catches here, Tony, and let's

505
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: start with the tight ends, because how about this number, Tony.

506
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: Three of these tight ends are about to talk about

507
00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 2: in terms of rookie players receiving yard leaders their third, fourth,

508
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: and fifth in the National Football League this year. Tyler Warren,

509
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: or On the Gadsden and Harold Fannon are third, fourth,

510
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: and fifth in receiving yards by rookies in the NFL.

511
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: And all three of those guys have certainly showed what

512
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: they did in college was no Fluke. And I know

513
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: you're loving the Gadson thing because you were all over

514
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: him coming out in the draft last year.

515
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

516
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: So I was right on here to do with Gadston.

517
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 3: Start with Warren. I mean I wrote an article before

518
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: that Warren was gonna have a big year because he

519
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: was going to be more of a dink and dunk

520
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: type of offense with the Colts. They didn't have any

521
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: downfield threats. Well, he's turned out to be more than that,

522
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: and he's starting to stretch the field a lot of

523
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: yards after the catch. We're getting what we thought from

524
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 3: from him or saw from him at Penn State, and

525
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: he's delivering a little bit more as far as Gadson's concerned. Yeah,

526
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I said prior to the draft last year

527
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 3: that I thought that the best tight ends in the

528
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: end from the twenty twenty five draft would not come

529
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: from the first route, would come from the middle rounds.

530
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: And I mentioned Elije Arroya, who's had moments at Seattle,

531
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: has n't been consistent at Ronde Gatson, and it just

532
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 3: bottled my mind really through the entire twenty twenty five

533
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: draft process, how Gats him, who was a two hundred

534
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: and twenty pound receiver at Syracuse turned tight end. And

535
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 3: then we saw him at the Shrine Bowl in excess

536
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 3: of two hundred and forty pounds, yet he was moving

537
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: like a two hundred and twenty pound receiver.

538
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: And apparently Tony he apparently he's up to two fifty

539
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: now for the Chargers.

540
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: Catching everything inside. He's got the blood lines. Why this

541
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: guy was being so ridiculously underrated? And yeah, I mean

542
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: I love seeing it because I thought he was underdrafted

543
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: and I knew he had the potential. You're not gonna

544
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 3: use him much as a blocker. I'm sure he'll learn

545
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: how to block. But you know, you got a two

546
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty pound tight end basically who's a former

547
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: receiver and he and he's proving it and fat and

548
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: I think Fannon has done much better than I ever

549
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: would have thought. I agree. You know, you were right

550
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: on the money with that one. And you know, we

551
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: knew he was a downfield pass catcher, had huge production

552
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: of bowling green and he's been able to, you know,

553
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: transition out to the NFL where now it looks like

554
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: the Browns may try and move Nadjoku because they don't

555
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: need them. They get something in return. They got their

556
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: tight end not only for the present but for the

557
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: future in Fannin.

558
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. They've done no good job.

559
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: And then one of your favorites, Coast and Loveland hasn't

560
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: quite gotten off to Schneid yet.

561
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: Tony deal with some injuries.

562
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: Well that's the problem. I mean we knew that coming

563
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: into the draft. I mean, he had that ac shoulder

564
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: injury last year which kept him out of most of

565
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: the season at Michigan. He did no testing for the draft.

566
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: I was told, yeah, he's healthy, he's healthy. Obviously he's

567
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: not been healthy. It was I don't want to say

568
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 3: it was a risky pick for Chicago to take him

569
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: at ten. Right now, it seems like one. But with

570
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: all these other tight ends that we just mentioned doing

571
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: so well, the first tight end of the drafts selected

572
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: in the first end picks really sitting on the sidelines.

573
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: He's got to get on the snide real quick. Yeah.

574
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, and you mentioned Elijah Royo.

575
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: He's been basically playing almost half the snap, so he's

576
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: been on the field for Seattle. They run a lot

577
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: of two tight ends. That's him and A. J. Barner,

578
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna be good. He just hasn't

579
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: quite broken out yet, which by the way, I remember

580
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: he barely played in college. He was hurt the first

581
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: few years of his career. So he's the guy that

582
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: needed a little bit more experience, I think to kind

583
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: of get going a little bit. All right, let's jump

584
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: to the wide receivers here, Tony, I'm going to start

585
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: off with Ted McMillen.

586
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: Here.

587
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: He's second in terms of receiving yards among pass catchers

588
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: that are rookies thirty seven catches, five hundred and twelve yards,

589
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: two touchdowns, second in receiving yards, and I think he's

590
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: been exactly his advertised.

591
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: Both of us loved him coming out.

592
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: We didn't understand why he wasn't talked about as being

593
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: a higher pick. And look, we'll see what it looks

594
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: like now with Andy Dalton in there for Bryce Young,

595
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: But the Panthers needed a number one type receiver and

596
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be that guy.

597
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't that even talked about as being an

598
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: earlier pick. He wasn't early pick. It's just that people

599
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: were talking about him in the middle of the first round,

600
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 3: the second half of the first round, you know, and

601
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: he was the go to guy at Arizona for two years.

602
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: He caught everything, and I think the guy liked d

603
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: Alton in that offense, which is hit and miss. They

604
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: like to run the ball and they do a good

605
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: job running ball. Wants that bigger possession, consistent, reliable receiver,

606
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: and that's what McMillan is. And again, you know, it's

607
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: great to see him doing as well as he did

608
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: considering the disrespect that he was receiving outside the scouting community.

609
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: Because obviously the scouting community liked him so much that

610
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: they took him as a top ten pick, but the

611
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: way people kind of dismissed him, which I never understood.

612
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, Yeah, I should have talked about how the

613
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: pre draft fake fall that people were talking about with

614
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: him never made a whole lot of sense. Now, then

615
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: you have two receivers in Tampa Bay. You know, tam

616
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: Bay drafted these wide receivers. We sat, They're like, yeah,

617
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: how much opportunity is a Mecca Buka going to get with,

618
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Godwin coming back, Mike Evans there and

619
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: all in the whole, both those guys are hurt, so

620
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: a Mecca. Buke is all automatic the number one wide

621
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: receiver for Tampa Bay Tony. He's made the most of it.

622
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: Leads all rookie's in receiving yards with five hundred and

623
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: sixty two on thirty four catches, and he has been

624
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: a down field threat for them.

625
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: He's been great.

626
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 3: He's been fantastic until he got hurt. He had a

627
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: hamstring issue which kind of slowed him up. But he

628
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: was not only a downfit thread. He was a big play,

629
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: big impact guy that would come away with important catches.

630
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: And you know, Baker Mayfield's the kind of guy and

631
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: the kind of quarterback guy. If he doesn't like you

632
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: or he doesn't think you're not gonna be able to

633
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: do the job, he's not gonna throw the ball to you.

634
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: And he is when those guys were, when Evans and

635
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: Godwin were on the sidelines, he had all the faith

636
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: in Abuka and he was throwing the football in big spots.

637
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: And Abuka was coming away not only with downfield catches

638
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: but without standing contested catches up until the time he

639
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: heard his hamstring. And he's still producing, not at the

640
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: level he was. But and again when they made this

641
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: pick Tampa, a lot a lot of eyebrows were raised.

642
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: Why are they taking another receiver when you look at

643
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: the guys they have on their depth chucks for as

644
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: long as they haven't Why didn't they take a pass rusher?

645
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: Why didn't looking in all the direction? And it looks

646
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: like they've hit a home run with this selection.

647
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: And you also had the second year wide receiver out

648
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: of Washington too coming back for them, and he tours

649
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: ACL in the offseason, so they really had a lot

650
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: of wide receivers and he's now had an opportunity to

651
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: do it. And I had to tip my cap Tony

652
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: because this was one of my guys in the draft

653
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: last year, Tedes Johnson. He's got an opportunity now with

654
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: all those injuries we talked about, Tiny did not test

655
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: well at all, but if you watched him on tape,

656
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: nobody could cover him. Nobody could cover him all year

657
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: for Oregon last year. So for me, I'm so happy

658
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: to see the job that Tess Johnson has done, the

659
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: opportunity he's gotten. He's played a couple of games, fifteen catches,

660
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirteen yards, two touchdowns, and he seized

661
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: the opportunity, and he's going to be a player in

662
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: this league for a long time now.

663
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: Making a lot of difficult receptions. You know, you mentioned

664
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: didn't test well. Everyone thought he was a fourth free

665
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: guy at that size. He ran in the four to fives,

666
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: which is why he dropped. But he's a good pass catcher.

667
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: You just got to line them up right, You got

668
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: to lose them off the line of scrimmage, put him

669
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: in the slot, keep them off of press coverage, move

670
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: him around the field. And again you know the fact

671
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: that Baker Mayfield is throwing him the ball. Getting the

672
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: ball to him, I think says a lot about Tess Johnson.

673
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Speaker 1: And elic Io Mannor He's done a nice job too.

674
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: Tony Calvin Ridley has not done a great job this year,

675
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: and Ileo Manner has picked up the slack thanks.

676
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: That, and I'm sure cam Ward is very happy. I mean,

677
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: Iron Manner is a guy that didn't have a big

678
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: body of work, wasn't a great route runner, big body guy,

679
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: long arm, soft hands, and is doing that in Tennessee.

680
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: So that is one of the building blocks that they

681
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: can go with.

682
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Travis Hunter now, and I

683
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: think we always. You know, the big question that we

684
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: talked about endlessly last year Tony was how would he

685
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: be drafted, what would he be drafted as? And how

686
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: is he was going to be used? So so far

687
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: this year I broke it down. He's taken three hundred

688
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: and twenty three snaps on offense. He's taken one hundred

689
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: and sixty two snaps on defense. Both of us thought

690
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: it'd be a lot easier to be a full time

691
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: defender and a part time receiver. The Jaguars that have

692
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: done this the opposite way. Now, there's been some issues

693
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: with the Jaguars in their passing game in general this year.

694
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: Hunter does lead them in receptions with twenty eight two

695
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: hundred ninety eight yards in a touchdown, but they seem

696
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: to be struggling to figure out how they want to

697
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: use him as a receiver. Brian Thomas Junior the same way,

698
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: who has not had a good second year, but he's

699
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: on the field a lot.

700
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: He's making an impact, but I still.

701
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: Feel like the Jaguars are feeling out how to best

702
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: utilize his skill set on both sides.

703
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: Well, they better figure it out soon. I mean, they

704
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: gave away a ton of draft capital to move up

705
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: what three spots to select this guy. I think you're

706
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: doing a disservice to him by spreading him out so much.

707
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: I always liked him as a receiver. Develop him as

708
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: a receiver, put him in dying packages on occasion. Let

709
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: them develop at one position and take it from there.

710
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: You know, they said from the beginning, we're gonna use

711
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: him on both sides of the ball. I know, was

712
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: his selling point or not? I mean, I think Lawrence

713
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: he's not developed the way many of us thought he would.

714
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: He looked good early in his career, he kind of seen.

715
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: It's been a bit of a rocky ride for Trevor Lawrence.

716
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: You know, all those snaps on defense, just leave them

717
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: a receiver, let them develop a receiver, occasionally put them

718
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: on defense. You know, you got to develop a team here.

719
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: They're not a winning organization. And I don't think you know,

720
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: fans made like seeing Trevors Hunter on both sides of

721
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: the ball. I don't think it's good. I don't think

722
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: it's good for the Jaguars.

723
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: All right, Tony, Let's jump to the offensive line now,

724
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: and surprisingly, I feel like the tackles have been better

725
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: than the guards so far. I know the tackles are

726
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: drafted higher, but usually that's a tougher position to play.

727
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: But you look at some of the highest drafted tackles.

728
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: Tony, Will Campbell's been good, Armont Membo has been good,

729
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: Calvin Banz has been good. Those are three hits there

730
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: in the first round of the offensive tackle position. And

731
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: by the way, I think the Cowboys are pretty pretty

732
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: happy with Booker Reguard as well, even though he's had

733
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: some injury issues.

734
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: They are now. Campbell started off very rocky. He didn't

735
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: have a good preseason. Early on in the season he

736
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: did not too well. He's really starting to turn it on,

737
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: as are the Patriots. And you know, we knew going

738
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: in you want to develop Drake May, you better get

739
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 3: a blindside tackle to protect him. The better Will Campbell

740
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: has played, the better Drake May has played. I mean

741
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: Drake May playing lights out because he's able to stand

742
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: up right. And Will Campbell, as he's developed and gotten

743
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: better and better and better, has been a big factor

744
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: in that. Armand Membo he's a little bit up and down.

745
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: That first week against Pittsburgh, I was like, Wow, he

746
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: was just destroying everybody on the opposite side. Of the

747
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: line that Pittsburgh put in front of him. He's had

748
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: a three problems with the penalties off illegal motion things

749
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: like that. Overall, though, I think the Jets have got

750
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: to be happy with him. And then Kelvin Banks. I mean,

751
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: we talked about it before. How many times have the

752
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints selected an offensive lineman early in the draft.

753
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: They keep doing it. It looks like they hit with

754
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: Kelvin Banks again at the all important left tackle position.

755
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: I agree. How about the interior guys, Tony, who have

756
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: you liked so far?

757
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: I think Gray's Abel's done well. You look at its

758
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 3: overall game, you look at the fact that they're really

759
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: struggling on the interior of that offensive line in Seattle,

760
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: I think he's done very well. Tate Ratledge of Detroit

761
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: has had his moments. He's definitely a Dan Campbell type

762
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: of offensive lineman. I think Donovan Jackson, who's been a

763
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: week since a starter since week one, has also done

764
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 3: relatively well in the Vikings offense that's been up and down.

765
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: Agree.

766
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,640
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767
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768
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769
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: let's go to the defensive front here, Tony. These are

770
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: guys that play up on the line of scrimmage, and

771
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: we've had some really good players get drafted and I

772
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: think have done a pretty good job. I think this

773
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: the early returns on those rookie class Tony have overall

774
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: been pretty positive. Let's start with the two guys inside

775
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: you want to focus on. Mason Graham has thirteen pressures

776
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: this year, coring the Pro Football Focus. He's done a

777
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: nice job for Cleveland. And then Jeroi Calmwell, who both

778
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: of us liked as a.

779
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: Mid round pick.

780
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: He's been fantastic because both the run stopper and a

781
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: pass rusher for the Chargers.

782
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: All Well had the size, he had, the athleticism, he had,

783
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: the quickness. I questioned his play strength. That seems to

784
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: have worked itself out, and I think the Chargers really

785
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: got to steal with this guy because he's elevated his

786
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: game from the college level. He's got great size, he

787
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 3: plays with leverage, and he's really starting to put it together.

788
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: Mason Graham has been a consistent horse, really since Week one.

789
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: He's not dominant, but I think he's got good returns

790
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: to the fact that you look at the overall picture

791
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: with Cleveland. They were able to trade down get a

792
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: first round pick in next year's draft, and still take

793
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 3: Mason Graham, who's having an impact on the defensive line.

794
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: I think that's a major win for Cleveland.

795
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: I still wonder if they could have traded down again

796
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: from that spot Tony and got even more picks, But

797
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: Mason Graham is a good player, so you can't argue

798
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: with that. The two edge players I believe though the

799
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: first two edge players taken, if I'm not mistaken correct,

800
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: Abdul Clarter obviously number three to the Giants, almost double

801
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: the number of pressures of any other rookie, only a

802
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: half the sack, which is disappointed Tony, but you know

803
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: Saxson coming bunches. It doesn't necessarily, you know, define how

804
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: well you're playing. He's certainly been in the backfield a lot.

805
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: He's a good game last week. He consistently leads the

806
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: Giants and pressures, or at least he does from week

807
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: to week. Brian Burns also having a really good year,

808
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: so it is Keevon Thibadeau and then Mike Gott Williams

809
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: a very different type of edge player for the forty

810
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: nine ers, he was slow going as a pass rusher.

811
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: This year, he's been good against the run all year round,

812
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: which is what we thought he was going to be

813
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: with his size in his length. But he's coming on

814
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: as a pass rusher too. Is the Niners down need

815
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 2: him too with all their injuries they have on defense.

816
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say that because Michael Williams is

817
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: getting the opportunity because of the injuries and he moves

818
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: into the starting row where Abdul Carter is really rotated

819
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: in that three man rotation and is not a consistent starter.

820
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: And that may be good for Ablul Carter keeps some pressure,

821
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: doesn't put all the pressure on his shoulders, and allows

822
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: him to develop his game. But I mean, both of

823
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: these guys I think have come in and helped, especially Williams,

824
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 3: as you said, with all the injuries, and I think

825
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: Williams I'm happy because I think he was unrefined and

826
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: there was more upside than there was say production on

827
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: the college level as opposed to Carter. But he's starting

828
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: to put the pedal to the metal now and he's

829
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: turning that great athleticism and that great potential into production

830
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: and into productive play.

831
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: And I want to mention a couple other guys told

832
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: me that you didn't have hear that. I want to

833
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: bring up.

834
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: I think Donovan Azaraku one of my guys coming out.

835
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: I think he's done a nice job for the Cowboys.

836
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: He has seventeen pressures and nine quarterback sets, which is

837
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: the most quarterback hits of any rookie and the second

838
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: most pressures after Abdul Carter. And he's had seventy fewer

839
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: pass rush snaps than Michael Williams. He's done it in

840
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: fewer snaps, but he's been pretty productive for what otherwise

841
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: has just been a.

842
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: Terrible Cowboys defense.

843
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: And then the Falcons, I think their defense, even though

844
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: they didn't do two well last week, for the most

845
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: part this year, they've done a pretty good job. And

846
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: I think they got to be pretty happy with a

847
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: Jalen Walker and James Pierce has given them member. They

848
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: traded up for Pierce back into the first round to

849
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: pick him, they picked Walker as well. I think they

850
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: have to be pretty happy with what they've gotten out

851
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: of those two guys.

852
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: Walker I believe is now dealing with an injury. Yeah,

853
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: so we'll see what happens with that moving forward. And

854
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: the Cowboys you're gonna need as a rock. What do

855
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: you mean if they have any whatever hope they have

856
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 3: of making the playoffs, they need help on the defensive line.

857
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: So maybe he gets more snaps now unless they make

858
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: a trade before the deadline.

859
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: All right, off ball linebackers, Tony and two guys have

860
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: really jumped off the tape. And then I'll let you

861
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: hit on the other two you want to talk about too.

862
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: But Carson Sweesssinger. This Brown's draft class, by the way,

863
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: despite the fact that the quarterback situation is extremely messy,

864
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a pretty good draft class. We already

865
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 2: talked this is the third round that we're talking about.

866
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: We talked about Quinn Jahn Jenkins, we talked about Mason Graham. Well,

867
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: here's their third pick in this draft, and that's Carson Swesssinger,

868
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: who's been phenomenal. He's been all over the place. His

869
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: play strength has been better than what I thought it

870
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: was gonna be. And then Jihad Campbell for Philadelphia. The

871
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: Kobe Dean missed earlier in the year, so he was

872
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: an in linebacker ness.

873
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: The Zach Bawn.

874
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: Now that Dean is back, they're putting him on the

875
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: edge with all the injuries the Eels have had. On

876
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: the edge he's played while there, he covers, he stops

877
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 2: the run, he rushes the passer. Both those two guys

878
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 2: I think have been fantastic.

879
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 3: Well, actually, Swassengers the fourth round we talked about because

880
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: you forget Harold's fanning.

881
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about.

882
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: And junk and so I wrote an article right before

883
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: the season about how in love the Browns were with

884
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: Carson Swessenger and how people were talking. If he stays healthy,

885
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: he could be the defensive rookie of the year. And

886
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: literally through the first eight games, he's played better than that.

887
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: He's been more consistent, played better than any rookie in

888
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: the defensive rookie that was selected in the twenty twenty

889
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 3: five draft. Now we suffered a high ankle screen. We'll

890
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: see how much time he misses or how he does,

891
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: But as far as I'm concerned, he was. He's the

892
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: best off wall linebacker we've seen this this year from

893
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: the rookie class, no doubt about it. You can cover

894
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 3: the pass. Tackle numbers are off the charts. I hope

895
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: gets back on the field soon. As far as Jahid

896
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: Campbell's concern, it's kind of been up and down recently.

897
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. But I mean credit to Howie Roseman,

898
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: and I know Giant fans don't want to hear that,

899
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: but there was a lot of injury concerns, a lot

900
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: of red flags with Jahat Campbell. Harry rose said the

901
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 3: hell with it, and he's done this before with Alabama kids.

902
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: You remember Landon Dickerson with all those knee injuries. People

903
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: thought he was gonna fall. Roseman took him in a

904
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: second round. It's worked out well. He takes Johid Campbell,

905
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: moved up a spot to get Jahide Campbell actually wanted

906
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: to move up even further to ensure or that he

907
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 3: gets Johad Campbell. And Campbell has been what we all

908
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: expected him to be be. But he's been healthy and

909
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: that was the big question about him. As far as

910
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: the other two guys, Teddy Buchanan out of Baltimore, the

911
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 3: guy who came from Cal big fierce pursuit linebacker, goes

912
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: sideline to sideline, a ton of tackles this year and

913
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: Barrett Carter Cincinnati. The Bengals actually have two rookie linebackers,

914
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 3: but Harder has played so well that some of the

915
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: veterans are now asking to be.

916
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: Traded Logan Wilson because.

917
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: They're not going to get their jobs back as he's

918
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: been a consistent starter and he's got great upset. And

919
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: we knew this about Barret Carter. I mean, Barreck Carter

920
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: coming into the twenty twenty four season, we thought he

921
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: was gonna be a first round pick. He did not

922
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: play well as senior season at Clemson, fell in the draft.

923
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 3: But if you go back and you watch him as

924
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: a sophomore in the junior at Clemson, he had first

925
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: round potential. He's playing like a top linebacker now.

926
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it.

927
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: All Right, let's go to the defensive back to here,

928
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: Tony and Trey Amos has been probably the best secondary

929
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: player on Washington teams this year. Their safeties had been rough.

930
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: Marshaun Lattimore has been rough. They whipped on the Emmanuel

931
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: Forbes that two years ago.

932
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: Now right and years ago, but yeah, whatever, it was.

933
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: No, I think yeah, and then Trails has been great.

934
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean he's been starting outside for them. He's big,

935
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: he's fifth goal, and I think he's going to be

936
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: a good man cover corner for Washington for for quite

937
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: a while.

938
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: The thing about Amos that you gotta like is the

939
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: consistent development. I mean, going back to his college years

940
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: at Louisiana, then at Alabama, then at Mississippi, and now Washington.

941
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: He seems to get better and better and better. And

942
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: he's got great size. He's got outstanding length. As we

943
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: talked about in the lead up to the draft, he's

944
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: one of those cornerbacks that does a great job getting

945
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: his head back around and making plays with his back

946
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: to the ball, and he's transitioned that and he wasn't

947
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: a first round pick, so you know, dan Quinn's got

948
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: to be loving what he sees from. Yeah.

949
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: Two other corners, Tony will Johnson again he had some

950
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: injury issues, but he's back now he's playing outside and

951
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: starting for Arizona. And then Jacob Parrish in the slot

952
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: for Tampa Bay has been their slot corner all year long,

953
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: and he's done a really nice job in a secondary

954
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: that otherwise has been pretty banged up.

955
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: Been an outstanding nickel corner for him again, you mentioned

956
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 3: Cleveland with the four guys. Tampa a guy has had

957
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: a real good dud as of getting a lot of

958
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 3: productivity from their draft class. I don't know that Parish

959
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: is going to be anything other than a nickel in

960
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: his NFL career, but they are, you know, just as

961
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: important as you're outside corners. He's done terrific and Will

962
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: Johnson Listen, Will Johnson did not play well in twenty

963
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 3: twenty four. There were injury issues, but you go back

964
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: in his during his early Michigan career, he looked like

965
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: a first round corner and when he's healthy and he's

966
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: on the field, he is a terrific shutdown cornerback. It's

967
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: just a matter of can't he stay healthy or are

968
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: those injury flags that pushed him out of the first

969
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: round you know, going to rear their ugly head throughout

970
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: his career.

971
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: All right, now, let's touch on the safeties.

972
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: Tony Andrew mcoba has basically been a starter for Philly

973
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: all year long.

974
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: He's had some flash plays.

975
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: He had some rough moments a couple weeks ago against

976
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: the Giants two, but he certainly is shown to be

977
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: a playmaker. Jonas Sanker has been fantastic. When I was

978
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: preparing for the Giants Saints game earlier this year, I

979
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: thought he played was playing really good football. And you

980
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: have marked down here smart and Steady. Well, he's a

981
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: big plays, he has a couple of picks. He plays

982
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: plays on the football, playing tight ends man on man.

983
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: He's done a nice job.

984
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: And then Xavier Watts again, he's been starring for the

985
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: Falcons at safety. They have a young defense that's played

986
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: pretty well this year, and I think he's been very,

987
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: very solid, which to me is not a surprise. I

988
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: thought he should have been a second round pick. He dropped,

989
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: and I think the Falcons got great value with him.

990
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely good to mccooba. I mean, the Eagles have

991
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: needed his safety for the longest time. They get when

992
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: mccouba was what a third round pick, so they get

993
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: a start. He's safety in the third round. And you

994
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: know he was good in Texas. He's better than Philadelphia Sanker.

995
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: What reason I said smart insteady is he didn't have

996
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: great testing numbers. You know, he wasn't a guy who

997
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 3: tested off the George prior to the draft. We saw

998
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: him at the Senior Bowl. He was really good at

999
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 3: the senior ball has really transitioned that those instincts and

1000
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: that consistency into the NFL, and wats is what he is.

1001
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just a tough, consistent not a guy

1002
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: that is going to wow anybody with his athleticism, but

1003
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: he's just out there in every down making positive plays.

1004
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: All right, Tony, So I want to wrap this up

1005
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: here by saying this, and I want you to remind

1006
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: me of this when we're doing shows in February in

1007
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 2: the beginning of March. Don't care so much about combine numbers.

1008
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: You know.

1009
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: You look at some of these guys here that have

1010
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: played the best football Tony. Donovan Azeraku he did not

1011
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: test out of the to test crazy. Mason Graham did

1012
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: not test crazy. Michael Williams did not test crazy. You

1013
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: look at the wide receivers and wasn't a great tester.

1014
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan wasn't a great tester. E look, Iomanner was

1015
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: not a great tester. Tes Johnson was a terrible tester,

1016
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: all right. You look at and with Cam Scattabo not

1017
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: a great tester. Quin John Jenkins was fine. He didn't

1018
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: test off the charts. So you look at some of

1019
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: these guys, well, Johnson not a great tester. Some of

1020
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: these guys that did not test great, they're just good

1021
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: football players. Worry about the tape. Let what happens at

1022
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: the combine. Inform what you saw on tape. But always

1023
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: go back to that type of football players these guys are,

1024
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: because that really is the most important thing. And you're

1025
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: seeing the guys that are succeeding early are the guys

1026
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: that played the best football in college, not necessarily the

1027
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: guys that tested the best.

1028
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 3: Go back to the North sellers at the top. Some

1029
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: people are absolutely in love with his receiver, Nick Harber,

1030
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: the six foot five track and field sprinter. But when

1031
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: you watch Nick Harbor South Carolina, he's attractive field guy

1032
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 3: struggling and become a football player, struggling and become a receiver.

1033
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: That's your perfect example there. And I think the other

1034
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: problem with the combine guys are the guys who test

1035
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: off the charts, put up the Olympian numbers is you know,

1036
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: sometimes it's the teams that's the coaches. They'll see a

1037
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 3: guy who's six for four, two hundred and forty five pounds,

1038
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: he runs in the low four fives. He's a linebacker.

1039
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: They say, we're gonna turn this guy, We're gonna coach

1040
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 3: this guy to be a football player. And he doesn't

1041
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: have the instincts of a Jonah Sanker. You know, he's

1042
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: not the steady player of a Macuba or a Carson Swessinger.

1043
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's the film, like you said, and more

1044
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: times than not, it's what goes on between the ears.

1045
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, you're always gonna have thresholds.

1046
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: But look, even look at Kamari Lassiter, Tony, he were

1047
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,479
Speaker 2: almost a four to six as a corner and he's

1048
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: been playing great football. Tess Johnson almost ran a four

1049
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: to six as one hundred and sixty pound wide receiver.

1050
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: He's productive. So look, you don't want to draft exceptions,

1051
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: but again, worry about how good foot. If the guys

1052
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: are going to football player, he's gonna figure out a

1053
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: way to succeed more likely than not. All right, let's

1054
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: look ahead to this week, Tony, and let's start here

1055
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: a game that at the beginning of September we thought

1056
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: could determine who's gonna win the Big Ten and potentially

1057
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: get to the college football playoffs, Ohio State and Penn State.

1058
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: The luster's off that matchup a little bit, but it's

1059
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: still an interesting game with a lot of prospects on the.

1060
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: Lines of scrimmage. And we've talked about the Ohio State

1061
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: defensive line a couple of times. Guys like Kenetta Jackson,

1062
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: Caden McDonald, Cayden Curry. Their senior pass rusher. This year's

1063
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: sort of Jack Sawyer type. Those guys are developing at

1064
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: a quick, quick clip, and they've really helped their draft stock.

1065
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: You look at Penn State. We talked about la vega

1066
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: Ione last week with Mike Runner. Keep an eye on him,

1067
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: the inside guard. He's a big, strong, tough guy. How

1068
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: is he going to match up against Cayden McDonald of

1069
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 3: Ohio State who's having a great year. They're left tackle

1070
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: Drew Shelton against KENYAA. Jackson of Ohio State. Shelton was

1071
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: an athletic guy. He blocks with great fundamentals. He just

1072
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: hasn't shown that wow factor yet. Took over for for

1073
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,959
Speaker 3: Shanu and has done a solid but not a great job.

1074
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: And they got a nice little center there in the middle,

1075
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Speaker 3: Nick Dawkins again, watch him against Caiden McDonald. You look

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Speaker 3: at the Ohio State guys, Kenyetta Jackson, and Caiden McDonald

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Speaker 3: the day two picks if they if they entered the draft.

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Speaker 3: Drew Shelton has Day two ability. He's probably fallen out

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Speaker 3: ione if he talked to Mike rennerd We've watched the

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Speaker 3: show with Mike Renold last year. He had him as

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Speaker 3: a top fifty pick. I think he's more fourth round

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Speaker 3: type area. But they're all NFL prospects. All right.

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Speaker 2: Let's go on to USC Nebraska, a classic Big Ten

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Speaker 2: matchup Tony that everyone looks forward to every year. But

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Speaker 2: USC has a couple of wide receivers. Makayle Lemon's been

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Speaker 2: good this year. I think he concussion two weeks ago

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Speaker 2: or something like that, but I think he's back. I

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Speaker 2: think he's a little bit of an injury, but he's

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Speaker 2: been great this year. And then Nebraska has some dbs

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Speaker 2: you're excited about.

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Speaker 3: Well, the USC, he's got two receivers, Makayle Lemon, who's

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Speaker 3: the quick downfield threat, and Kobe Lane, who's the bigger

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Speaker 3: position type receiver. And you know, Nebraska doesn't have a

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Speaker 3: great roster. They don't have a lot of guys that

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Speaker 3: our Day three picks, never mind Day one or Day

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Speaker 3: two picks. They've got some dbs to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: Sierra Wright, who last year against USC had a career

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Speaker 3: game against the Trojans. He actually transferred to Nebraska from USC.

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Speaker 3: He's a guy that some people like. In the middle

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Speaker 3: of Day three, you gotta watch him. Watch him. He's

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Speaker 3: good in press coverage, but when he plays backed off

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Speaker 3: the line or he's got to give a cushion in zone,

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Speaker 3: he kind of struggles. So that's going to be interesting,

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Speaker 3: especially if he's going up against mkayle Lemon. Malcolm Hertzog

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Speaker 3: the other corner is a solid player. And Deshaun Singleton,

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Speaker 3: who first they thought he was gonna enter the draft,

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Speaker 3: he was actually got an invite to the Shrineball. He's

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Speaker 3: your typical downhill, take your head off type of run

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Speaker 3: defending safety who's good in coverage between the numbers.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: And finally Virginia, who by the way, escaped by the

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Speaker 2: skin of their teeth last week against North Carolina and overtime.

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Speaker 1: They're taking on cow and that was.

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Speaker 3: A week after they beat Washington State in the last

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Speaker 3: a couple of seconds. If you if you remember two

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Speaker 3: weeks ago of Virginia is a great story you consider

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Speaker 3: where that program was a couple of years ago with

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Speaker 3: that tragedy. They're one of the best teams in the ACC.

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Speaker 3: They're playing great football. They've got the third best rushing attack,

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Speaker 3: uh in the ACC. Watch the cow linebacker Kate Oluvier.

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Speaker 3: I would have bout him at sports in a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks ago. You know, we talked about some of

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Speaker 3: the top rookie linebackers. Teddy Buchanan, who's also from cal

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Speaker 3: Barrett carter Yula Leavy is just like that. He is

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Speaker 3: a smaller but fierce, lays like his hair's on fire,

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Speaker 3: pursuit sideline to sidelineline backer who really seems to enjoy

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Speaker 3: contact and really goes after the ball carriers. Going up

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Speaker 3: against Virginia's running attacks, it's going to be a big

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Speaker 3: challenge for him.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 2: That's a little time we have for draft season, presented

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Speaker 1: Tony, you got anything going on you want to let

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Speaker 1: people know about?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean risers and sliders and uh, just a

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Speaker 3: lot of watching college football.

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Speaker 1: And make sure you follow Tony on Twitter. He gives

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Speaker 1: all his great insights on there as well.

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