WEBVTT - Featuring Jessica Alba 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:08.200 Hi guys, and welcome back to what is the season 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.680 three finale of the Let's Be Real Podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.960 Sammy Jay, and welcome. We are ending the season on 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.080 a very, very high note with the incredibly talented entrepreneur, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:26.520 businesswoman actress Jessica Alba. We talked about a lot in 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.280 this episode, and I usually give you a quick downlow 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.640 on well what's about to happen, but I really just 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.879 want to let this episode speak for itself. I just 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.680 want to thank Jessica for coming on my podcast and 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.839 for all of you for listening every week or this 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.280 is your first week listening. I have enjoyed this journey 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:55.000 so much, and I hope you enjoyed this week's episode. Jessica, 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.080 I'm so thrilled and honored here on my podcast. Thank 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.440 you for having me. This is We're exciting. I have 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.479 looked up to you for such a long time, specifically 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.840 as a businesswoman, because something that I've tried to do 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.680 or learn about is just I love creating things. I 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.480 love the process of developing something and then seeing it 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.720 come to fruition and the process of that. And that's 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.319 what you do now, like you're the products. You're producing. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.000 They're not only doing that, but they have an incredible 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.800 mission behind it. When you first started, honest um, what 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.399 was the process like of developing products? Because that's a 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:37.800 completely separate world than acting. Um, I think the process 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.160 was more satisfying actually, because I actually got to have 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.959 an idea and watch or create essentially create the process 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.480 to make it happen. Because I didn't I've never seen 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.919 that before. I didn't know anyone who'd ever done that before. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:57.400 And um, I think it took three years before I 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.960 even got a solid business partner to join me. So 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.360 it was me putting it down on like a vision 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.480 board and then turning my vision board into like like 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:12.720 a visual book. Um. And so my vision board became 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.000 like a visual book, and then I categorized this book 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.440 with a lot of photos, a lot of values, and 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.440 then I had to So it's like taking something from 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.840 your brain and this idea, and then how do you 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.400 create something tangible so that when you sit down with 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.720 someone for an hour they understand what you're talking about. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:31.560 And I got a lot of people looking at me 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.840 pretty confused about what I was talking about because I 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.320 think for them, they were like, why is this idea 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.080 so big, and I think my husband in particular, it's 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.520 not that he didn't think I was capable of it. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.000 He was like, can you walk before you run? Um? 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.120 And I was like, no, I want to have like 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.480 a global, you know, business that stands for these values, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.520 and I want to create safe and healthy products and 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:01.840 frankly a lifestyle around honesty and being honest and authentic 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:06.480 not perfect. Um. I felt like anything that was natural 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.560 ish or better for you was for like a certain 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.079 type of person that lived off the grid and did 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.400 yoga all the time, which more power to you, but 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.000 that wasn't me, um or it was for a group 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.280 of people that, you know, just lived in a certain 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.359 tax bracket. And while I had at that point made 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.520 money in a different way, I grew up with family. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.400 You know, my family was living paycheck to paycheck all 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.440 my life growing up, and so I was just like, 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.200 this shouldn't just be for wealthy people. This should be 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.440 for everyone. Everyone should be able to live a healthy life. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.560 Everyone needs tips and tricks on how to like hack 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.680 their way through parenthood or had to change the dip 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.320 for really quickly, but then also how to do a 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.280 five minute face if you need to just get out 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.840 the door or you know, and throw an amazing dinner party. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.760 And so I was like, there has to be a 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.520 and that kind of stands for these things, but could 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.880 also give you sort of tips and tricks along the way. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.760 I think it's so crazy that you talk about is 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.720 just a clean, honest brand. Is should be what all 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.360 brands are, you know what I mean? But unfortunately they're not. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.040 There's a lot of secret chemical ingredients. There's a lot 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.200 of misinformation on packaging that make the consumer to believe 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.400 something that isn't necessarily true. What was the process and 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.320 uncovering that was there? Like certain products you're trying, You're like, 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.880 this feels a lot worse on my skin than it should. Yeah, 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.760 so how did I test products? Well? I would oftentimes 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.120 the big one was seeing if it was if it 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.920 had perfume or fragrance. So something and an ingredient list 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.800 has perfume or fragrance, Immediately it was like nope. And 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.120 what's confusing is a lot of times there would be 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:51.080 pictures of nature. It would look like it was something 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:56.039 that you would assume was more natural leaning um, but 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.400 for whatever reason, they still used perfume or fray grunts. 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:07.600 The other big one for me was looking at sort 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.159 of the ingredient list and then comparing it to a 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.080 conventional and I would see, oh, just because it has 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.719 a it's a brown packaging, it's four times more expensive, 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.560 and the ingredient list looks pretty much the same as 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.200 the conventional. What's going on? Just yea, and so you're 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:31.240 often paying so much more money for alternative packaging, but 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:37.479 the juice inside was different. And UM, what I learned 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:42.000 is that the only way we could really differentiate and 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:46.000 create products that stand for our values and are we 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.640 call it our no list of chemicals we won't use 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.520 is by having our own labs in house, having not 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.720 just a team of chemists, but then also a regulatory 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:01.320 team UM and a supply chain operations team that can 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:06.120 source raw materials that can help create these formulas and 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.040 find third party manufacturers to make it, but then also 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:14.280 be there when the manufacturers are making it, showing their 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:18.600 team how to batch something and be there kind of 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.599 for the It's it's a it's a long and drawn 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.680 out process, but it's the only real way to create 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.080 the types of products that have the integrity that we 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:33.520 want behind our brand, but then also effective. It really works, 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.680 and it's not using a ton of these chemicals that 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.799 we just are choosing not to use in our products. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.480 So it was it was a hard lesson to learn 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.640 because it's expensive to invest in that much of R 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.760 and D supply chain operations. And it's also again, I 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.000 never knew how to do this stuff. Like you know, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.200 in movies, most movies or TV shows that you see, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.840 they've been in the works for ten years before you 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.480 ever see them, you know. And that's something that a 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.719 lot of people don't talk about in Hollywood, and probably 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.680 most people don't even know. So I, you know, I 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.920 didn't have time to wait around for ten years for 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.600 someone to like get with the program. I love that, 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.800 and especially like you can't wait on other people to 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.480 do something. That's the biggest lesson I've learned. The best 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.560 way to do is by starting and by going and 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.000 trying and trying and it and failing. It's as long 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.520 as you learn from it, that's the best lesson you 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.320 can have a lot of the time. Yeah, And I 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.840 think that's like a great way to think about, especially 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:35.120 because you're so young in life, not necessarily looking at 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:41.400 quote unquote of life experiences as a failure, but you 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.960 should like it really is the lesson. Um, you embrace it. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.760 You only learn by trying, right, Um, you only get 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.440 better by it not working, and you only know how 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:58.160 to iterate and refine it literally because it didn't work 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.840 the first time. Uh, and that is how you create 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:08.040 incredible things. If we all had an idea and things 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.000 just sort of fell into place as we thought it would, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.000 what would be the point of life? That would be? 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.640 Everyone could do it? Yeah, if it was easy, and 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.040 if you could think of it and it just happened, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:25.440 you know, by snapping your fingers, then what what is that? 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.840 It wouldn't even be. I don't think as as gratifying, um, 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:34.199 anything in life that you really love and appreciate, Um, 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.800 you spent time on it, You've iterated it, you've refined it, 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.720 You've learned what didn't work in order to know what 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.280 does work. And so I think I think through life 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.160 if you maybe don't think of the word a failure, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.600 but think more of like, this is me trying it 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.360 so that I can be better at it the next time. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.120 Something that I've been trying to do is look at 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:01.719 everything as more of a experience and a journey, not 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.800 what the final outcome is. But the process of getting there, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.760 because that's where you learned so much, is what I'm realizing. Yeah, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:09.840 that's a great one. I didn't learn that until I 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.839 was thirty. What made you learn that? I think just 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:19.080 all of the outcomes were so disappointing, and Hollywood especially, 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.840 I was like, this is so out of my control. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:28.160 Why you know, you would have a big weather issue, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:33.839 and you know, if of the country is frozen, guess 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.720 who's not going to the movie theater that opening weekend? 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.640 But you're slotted for that certain opening weekend. You just 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.880 spent you know, I think collectively, like I said, ten 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.520 years someone had spent on this project. You've spent at 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.640 least two years of your life and you think it's 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.680 going to turn out some way, and then the country's 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.560 frozen over and no one can leave their house. Does 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.240 that mean it's a failure? No? Does that mean can 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.199 they take away from your experience creating it and wanting 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.680 it to be good? No? But I always looked at 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:12.320 that final sort of outcome as that's what I'm trying 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.560 to retrain my brain heart. That's a hard lesson it, 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.560 but in a way, it sort of releases you from 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.439 what's out of your control, and it allows you to 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.439 sort of really be present in the moment and make 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.480 the most with what you got. Absolutely, and I think 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:34.599 something that I'm someone that likes to have control, I overthink, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.920 I like to I'm a perfectionist and something that I've 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.200 very quickly learned is that is not the business to be. 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.120 And like I, things happen and that's a part of life, 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.360 and I'm trying to embrace that. Um And I think 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.200 something that I'm also learning currently in dealing with is 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:56.720 being burnt out. And I'm so curious how you run 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.480 this incredible company, you act you're running a family at 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.479 the same time. How do you stay inspired and motivated 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.560 but not let the nose get you down. I would 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:13.760 say that being a perfectionist and wanting everything to be 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:19.280 just so is for me another lesson that I had 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.240 to learn. And the more I paid attention to every 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.480 little tiny detail, the in a weird way, the less 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.640 happy I was in the end. Because you're so caught 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.880 up on those details, you're always going to be disappointed. Um, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.520 nothing will ever live up to being one hundred all 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.480 the time. It's just not possible. And also you're not 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.800 focused on the right stuff, and so burnout for me 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.439 comes when I'm focused on all of the small details 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.680 and I'm not living in the moment of what really matters. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.440 It is a great way to distract yourself from probably 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.200 what you're meant to deal with. I think it's it's 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:11.280 a great way to um feel like you're doing something 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.640 by busying yourself. But ultimately, what I have found in 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.360 my life is I'm probably running away from the thing 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.400 I actually should be focused on, which is like, where's 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.120 my heart? What am I really struggling with? Where am 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:32.080 I emotionally? Is this filling me up? We only have today, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:36.600 we don't really have tomorrow. There's nothing guaranteed. So for 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.400 me preventing burnout um or when I start to feel 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.880 burnt out, it's usually because I'm not focused on the 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.520 right stuff. Interesting, I haven't heard that perspective. I like that, though, 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.600 What do you do to stay in the moment? Because 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.880 I find being present can be difficult. Sometimes it is 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:59.360 difficult and I'm and I my mind wanders man um 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.920 and so I have to make a concerted effort to 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:08.440 surround myself with reminders to be present. I think weirdly, 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:14.280 my children are all right. My family um naturally forced 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.960 me to be present because they don't give a flying 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:23.280 fuck about tomorrow, about five minutes from now, none of it. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.200 They just care about what's happening right now in this moment. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.199 And they're so visceral in the way that they operate. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.079 You know, they all have all of their emotions and 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.960 there what's going on in their head and what they 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.280 think it should be, and they all have their own 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.880 individual experiences and they're all three very different um and 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:47.160 at different stages in their life experiences. So being around 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.880 them forces me to be present. And and it's not 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.440 fair because if you don't have kids, how could you 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:57.680 ever have a takeaway? Um I would say. Another thing 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:02.760 is I found that I nat really compartmentalized things in 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.199 order to be productive as a young person, because that's 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.840 what I do too. I got very distracted and my 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.839 mind wanders. And so if you can figure out how 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.840 to sort of compartmentalize your time in a way where 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:15.640 it's like, Okay, this is going to be the time 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.320 that I'm gonna focus on studying, and this is going 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.200 to be the time that I'm gonna focus on talking 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:24.200 to my family or my I'm gonna do a FaceTime. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.280 And I find that even facetimes force you to be 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.920 more present in your communication with your loved ones versus 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.120 you can be on the computer and on the phone 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.720 and whatever. If you do have that face time, you know, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.000 force yourself not to be on another device and force 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.440 yourself to be present. So I think that's a big one. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.520 Um and compartmentalizing. So it's like, this is my study time, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.720 this is my friend time. And when you are around 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.080 other people, try not to be on your phone, try 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.000 not to be on a tablet, try not to be 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.560 on your computer, and really then dedicate your work time 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.680 to work. And if it's like, gosh, these four hours 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.200 are going to be my study time, and I'm going 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.680 to break them up because I get exhausted when it's 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.000 a four hour block, it's gonna get myself an hour 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.240 in the morning, maybe an hour in the early afternoon, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.280 an hour in the early evening, and one late at 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.000 night because I'm a night All great, but then you 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.000 know you have four hours that are just dedicated to 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.920 that work, so you can be effective all the other time, though, 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:36.560 should be filling you up spiritually, intellectually, emotionally. Time management 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.200 is so important and yeah, it's tough though it is, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.560 but if you can get time management down, I feel 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.600 like that is such a tool to have in your 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:48.520 toolbox for the rest of your life, work or in family. Um, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.000 you just filmed a movie and I know your work 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:57.600 schedule was very hectic around that. It's very ambitious. I 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.960 don't I don't tell people this is you. Yeah, tell 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.960 people the situation that you put yourself there. That was dumb. Um. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.480 So we've been developed. I've been developing this movie for 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.880 about four years and it was finally going to happen, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.840 and it just happened to happen like right after I 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.600 took the company public, and so I just felt like 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:21.000 there was no way I could completely neglect honest and 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.800 I know face time matters, especially right now, right after 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.880 you take the company public and people are feeling fragile 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.080 about is a company going to be need different and 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.160 are we going to operate differently? And you know you 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.960 need to implement new standards and practices, but people need that. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:42.720 And after COVID there's there's a sensitivity and a vulnerability absolutely, 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.360 and so especially with my leadership team, I just felt 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.080 like it was important for me to show up for 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.680 them and be there. Um. And then I also shoot 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.600 a ton of content um from a creative standpoint, and 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.080 I'm the chief creative officer, so I have a lot 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.440 um of say in that content and how it gets 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.800 sort of yeah, you're not just a faith of it, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.040 like what people don't realize. You run the business, which 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.400 I help. You know, I'm definitely a strategic arm and 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.200 how we communicate with consumers and go to market and 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.879 how we show up on packaging on our website all 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:21.400 of that, so yes, I am you know, part of that. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.560 And then as well as like formulas and ideation around 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.560 new categories and all the things. So I just felt 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.119 like I needed to be here. But then we were 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:33.159 shooting in Santa Fe, which is a beautiful place, but 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.880 you know, those hours are long. I'm doing an action 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.359 movie and certaining energy and being on set. It's a 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.840 lot of hurry up and wait. It's there's no waiting, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.480 there was no there was no way, only hurry up. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.040 I'm in every scene and there's a ton of action, 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:51.600 so I had to learn choreography for these action sequences 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.080 and a lot of it is me um, you know, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:59.760 mourning my only family member that that has passed. So 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.800 it's like days after my only family living family member 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.960 that like raised me as my grandfather in the movie 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.960 and he's uh, he dies and so I'm mourning him, 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:17.119 and then I'm uncovering how he was, how he died, 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.399 and then killing a lot of people. They need to 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:25.560 die in the process, and so or defending usually defending 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:30.560 myself itself defends sometimes they needed to die. Yeah, So 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.240 this to me was like an important movie. The directors 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.000 a woman, the DP as a woman, that the producers, 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.560 the key producers on set, we're women, and we were 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.680 doing like a very intense action movie with a lot 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.600 of feminine energy, and it was cool. So I was 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.120 like passionate about doing it. But then and and it's 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.600 a modern day Western, which I've always wanted to do, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.200 and instead of guns, I use knives, and so just 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.560 like flipped a lot of those uh the genre, flipped 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.200 a lot of the stereotypes around. And I just so 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.000 I did that five days a week, and the hours 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.600 were brutal. I'm in every scene. It's very physical and 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.840 emotionally exhausting. And then I would get off at work 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.520 at six am, get on a plane at six thirty 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.679 and I'd fly home. I'd land here like seven thirty 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:27.000 because it's an hour time difference, and sleep and seem 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.239 usually trying to see my kids for five minutes as 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.160 they were running out the door to go to school, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.440 kiss them, jump into bed, and then I'd get into 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:39.359 hair and makeup at one to do UM shooting until 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.680 like seven pm, sometimes eight pm, try and get home 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.879 for dinner, try and connect with the kids, talk to 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.560 them about their day, their homework. Again, they do not 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.639 care about me being gone, me filming, none of it. 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.199 They are like they want to go in you know, 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.080 and I've been gone for the week, so they want 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.720 to catch me up on all the tea of their 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.880 life and school. If school is back in person, then 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:07.600 there's actual so they're telling me all the drama. But 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.840 then also like I have this thing coming up in 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.560 this exam or you know where they're they're they're academically. 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:18.360 They want to show me um. And then the next 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.879 day nine am to five thirties, my all day meeting 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.320 with my leadership at Honest, so I had to go 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.920 there and then I would go straight to the airport 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.840 from there, jump on a six o'clock flight, fly back 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.560 to Santa Fe, have a four thirty am call in 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.080 the morning. How long was How long? Did this last? 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:41.000 Two months? Okay, it's finished, finished, so exciting. Have you 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:45.359 done anything to celebrate? Well, last week I did three 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:50.760 add jobs okay, so I basically worked every day. Okay, 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.800 And are we doing something to celebrate? I hope I 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:59.320 can sleep soon. Um, I need to sleep. I need 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.000 to hang out with my hids. I want to figure 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:06.560 out how to carve out me time and also like 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.280 husband time and then also kid time, because like I 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.520 kind of feel like when you work, work, work work, 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:17.000 which is my tendency. Again, I'm focused on all the 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:22.040 details and I'm not living the life in a full way. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.800 And I only really get filled up when I have genuine, 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.439 like tender interactions with my family, so and my friends. 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.400 So I'm trying to figure out how to do more 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.760 of that. It's a journey, though, you know, It's one 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.560 of those things that is what has it been like 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.399 going back into acting, because I know you took a 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.119 break for a little bit, You know what. I was 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:46.840 such an insecure actress when I was younger, really so 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:51.639 wildly insecure about my abilities as an actress. UM, I 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:56.280 felt so judged. I was quite criticized. In my head, 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.760 I was my worst critic. I think I didn't feel 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:04.199 work the UM and so I was so in my 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:08.000 head and so paralyzed with fear that I never had 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:13.639 a real liberating, fun experience. Like I just admired people 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.960 who just we're swaggy on set, just like we felt 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.280 like they were just in the zone. And you can 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.359 tell when someone's in the zone and when they're just 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:26.240 when they just feel good. And I think taking a 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:31.720 break for so long from it and literally having no 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:36.639 consequence to whether it works or not, it allows me 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:41.520 to have the freedom as a storyteller to just be 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:46.439 completely present and try things and and and I really 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.399 love it and it and it's like it's brought me 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:53.359 like real joy. That's incredible to have that outlet. Also, 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.480 and I feel like and a nice balance to the 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:01.879 really logical, pragmatic day to day of running a company. Yeah, 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:06.280 for surely, Okay, we have to take a quick break, 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.160 but when we come back, I want to talk more 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:11.359 about your acting career, the way the media and Hollywood 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.480 has portrayed you over the years, your thoughts on social media, 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:23.200 and much more. We'll be right back, and we're back. 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.040 The way Hollywood is structured, especially the way they treat 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:30.600 women like you were sexualized at a very young age 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.879 and then starting your company, did that affect the way 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:37.880 you were perceived and just being a badass, smart business women. 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.240 Did people not realize that because of the way movies 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.720 you were in portrayed characters or the way Hollywood or 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:44.800 the media did you know? What's interesting is like I 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:50.560 don't even know if the characters I played were hyper 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:56.880 sexualized as much as the media around me as a person, 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:03.280 and when they would advertise said project, I wasn't that person. 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:08.440 And so you know, when you have a studio advertising 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:12.280 this piece whatever it is that they need to come out, 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.959 and then you have these various publications that are trying 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.760 to give their audience clickbait or now it's a clickbait, 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.320 but like those you know, headlines that will get the 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:28.200