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Speaker 1: From the Rams studio connected by AT and T. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Between the Horns. It is November nine, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I am Miles Simmons. I am joined today by DeMarco

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Speaker 1: far and we are here to talk some Rams football.

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Speaker 1: I know we all kind of probably need the distraction,

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Speaker 1: so let's get to it. That's a coaster, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that you have a drink? I do not. I offered

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Speaker 1: you a water. Unfair, This is unconfair. We're supposed to

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Speaker 1: bring one anyway. Anyway, go ahead, all right, well, um,

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Speaker 1: let's see where we are right now. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Rams are three and five after Sunday's thirteen to ten

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Speaker 1: loss to the Panthers, and it's kind of in the

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Speaker 1: same story. For the last couple of weeks. The Rams

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Speaker 1: offense has not been able to hold up. Basically, it's

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Speaker 1: end of the bargain with the defense playing well. Fun,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're right, it's fun to talk about the

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Speaker 1: defense first. But I mean I think they could be

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Speaker 1: better and they're gonna have to be Yes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think what we know now Lance Kendricks is not

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Speaker 1: a big play tight end and you desperately need one.

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Speaker 1: Case Keenum isn't going to grow overnight. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: some of the throws that he needs to make in

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Speaker 1: traffic are always gonna be tough. And it's not just him,

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Speaker 1: it's any shorter quarterback. The risk is always higher throwing

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Speaker 1: the football. Anything can happen. So I think that's what

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Speaker 1: we're seeing. But you know, this defense is really really good,

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Speaker 1: and that's a plus, and I think it has a

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Speaker 1: chance to be great, but you need help on the

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Speaker 1: other side offensively, or they're just gonna have to step

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Speaker 1: it up and start taking the ball away and being

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Speaker 1: that sort of unit if you want to make the postseason,

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Speaker 1: that's where you are, right exactly. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that they've talked about this week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you brought up the takeaways. We can stay

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Speaker 1: here for a second, just the fact that they have

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Speaker 1: not gotten the takeaways that they need to get over

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Speaker 1: the last think what four or five games ever since

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Speaker 1: they beat the Arizona Cardinals And was that always week four? Right?

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Speaker 1: So now we are at week ten. So they've played

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Speaker 1: Harver many games, they've lost four in Roses since in

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Speaker 1: this four game losing streak, they've had one takeaway and

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Speaker 1: that not good enough. Yes, and that's the fumble that

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Speaker 1: they caused against the Giants right there in London. I

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Speaker 1: think what was that the Giants like second third play

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Speaker 1: from scrimmage and then they went on they got the

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Speaker 1: score out of that, and then they put built up

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Speaker 1: at Tensiolade and since then it's just nothing has really

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Speaker 1: gotten going for the defense in terms of takeaways, but

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Speaker 1: also for the offense in terms of just being able

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Speaker 1: to score points consistently. Yeah, and it's tough, man. I mean,

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Speaker 1: having to walk over to that side of the building,

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Speaker 1: the defensive side, and say, hey, you guys need to

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Speaker 1: do more, right, It's like asking Johnny Hecker to be better. Wait,

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Speaker 1: he's the best there is right now in the game.

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Speaker 1: So but that's where you are. I mean, but your

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Speaker 1: your offense, and you know, it's a shame. And this

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Speaker 1: is what I saw versus Carolina. There's just too many

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Speaker 1: disadvantages or advantages you're you're giving up to the defense

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Speaker 1: when you can't run the football, short receiver, short quarterback,

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Speaker 1: like we said, the you don't have a first down

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Speaker 1: machine at tight end that's going to help the the

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Speaker 1: the offense stay on the field. So there's just too

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Speaker 1: many things you're giving up with a taller guy in

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Speaker 1: the pocket, all you're worried about when you think of

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Speaker 1: protection is probably time because vision you don't have to

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Speaker 1: worry about. With shorter guys. You have to worry about

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Speaker 1: time in space. So you have to work hard or

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Speaker 1: harder than most just to get the ball off. And

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Speaker 1: that's you know, passes one to ten, eleven to twenty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that stuff bigger guys can do just from the pocket.

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Speaker 1: But the Rams have to do so much just to

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Speaker 1: get the ball down the field that if it's off

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Speaker 1: just by an iota, or you don't hit the pass

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Speaker 1: just right, it's tipped, it's picked, it's this, it's that.

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Speaker 1: So the passing game without a running game is like

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Speaker 1: you said, you're giving up too much to a defense. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing you're just brought up is

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Speaker 1: absolutely correct. The running game has not gotten going, and

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Speaker 1: only that, it's the fact that the Rams are now

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Speaker 1: getting their distribution with run pass. It's been skewed and

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Speaker 1: part of that is because they've been down in the

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Speaker 1: be able to recommit to the run game, because if

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Speaker 1: you look at this game against Carolina, Todd Gurley had

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Speaker 1: the football well and getting Todd Gurley to twenty ish carries,

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Speaker 1: which Jeff Fisher has said this week. But they've they've

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Speaker 1: now got to go in out and actually do that.

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Speaker 1: Being stubborn. I like it. I mean, like when we argue,

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Speaker 1: even if it's a bad point, I mean you have to,

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Speaker 1: you know, defend your point and run the football regardless

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Speaker 1: of what you see upfront. I get that, but you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I want to track carries and I want Todd Gurley

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Speaker 1: and the running game. I want more attempts by him

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Speaker 1: by one guy. That means you're controlling the clock. But

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Speaker 1: if they're just telling you flat no, you can't run

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Speaker 1: the ball by how we're setting up and you're actually

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Speaker 1: slamming your head against a brick wall, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to throw it. I mean, you can't be afraid to

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Speaker 1: throw it in this league. I mean that's since the

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Speaker 1: forward pass has been legal, you have to use it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's how defense is going to play you.

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Speaker 1: So look, until you start becoming a better credible or

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Speaker 1: And if I'm the Jets, I'm gonna redouble my efforts

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you can't run the ball. Based

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Speaker 1: on what I've seen versus Carolina, versus New York, versus Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: versus this whole four game losing streak, I'm gonna make

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Speaker 1: sure Todd Gurley is an afterthought after halftime. So then

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Speaker 1: how do you combat that as an offense? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you watch football all the time, and you are my

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Speaker 1: most trusted football sources. So he said, it's on tape.

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Speaker 1: It's on tape, he said it finally. Okay, yes, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, yes, but no, I mean, as somebody who

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Speaker 1: guy who was your twenty fifteen offensive Rookie of the Year,

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Speaker 1: how do you how do you combat it? Well, you

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Speaker 1: might have to go pace. We saw some some hurry up.

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Speaker 1: demoralizes defense. Yes, when everybody in the building knows you're

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Speaker 1: But if you're having trouble conventionally, then, like you said,

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Speaker 1: hurry up, offense is work. Throwing the ball, running the

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Speaker 1: CounterPunch with Todd Gurley. So there are ways, and it's

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Speaker 1: be done here. I mean it's super critical at this point. Yes,

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Speaker 1: four game losing streak, get to five or six, usually

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Speaker 1: that doesn't denote playoff team. So we're getting close. Well yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think you know right now in the division

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Speaker 1: and everybody you know, you talk about wanting to contend

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Speaker 1: for that division. The division hasn't necessarily run away, but

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Speaker 1: you got to be able to take care of your

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Speaker 1: well that means if you rip off as many wins

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Speaker 1: league works. Funny question, though, um, who's the best defense

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Speaker 1: West by ratings? Right now, it's Arizona and then but

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Speaker 1: been better. But considering what they did on Monday Night football,

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Speaker 1: I thought they looked like Russell Wilson might be back

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Speaker 1: and Jimmy Graham's back and all these different things. But yes,

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Speaker 1: I see where you're going. Okay, Arizona Seattle. You didn't

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Speaker 1: pick the Rams, but head to head on that day,

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Speaker 1: Rams versus Seahawks, that's absolutely it's yeah, yeah, yeah, well

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Speaker 1: but that's division opponents, right, I mean, anytime you've had

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Speaker 1: they know each other so well. I think that's why

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Speaker 1: Seattle and yeah, the MS won, but the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 1: can raise their level of play defensively when they need to, Yes,

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about this quarterback situation. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: Fisher said that he is sticking with Case Keenum, and

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Speaker 1: you know the questions that I get in that, you

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Speaker 1: know the media has really been asking lately, is okay,

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Speaker 1: So then what's wrong with Jared Goff? Do you think

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Speaker 1: that it has to be that there's something along with

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff or that Case Keenum really just is at

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Speaker 1: this point the best option for them to win. That's

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Speaker 1: what Fisher is saying. Readiness is all the Goff needs

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Speaker 1: right now, and even for guys to go out and

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Speaker 1: have that first year's success. Think about this, right And

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Speaker 1: and it's hard to do in ten minutes or less,

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Speaker 1: but you think about guys that go out there too soon,

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Speaker 1: get beaten up and they're never the same or they recover,

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Speaker 1: but usually when they recover and they regain that promise

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Speaker 1: they had coming out of college, it's in a different uniform.

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Speaker 1: Thank Sam Bradford think Nick Foles think Alex Smith's a

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Speaker 1: good point. They recover from that beating, or when you

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Speaker 1: have five different coordinators in five years and they're confused,

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Speaker 1: they're health to skeltered quarterback. They do recover later on

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Speaker 1: if they do so. It takes a while for some

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Speaker 1: guys from most quarterbacks too mature in this league. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is ruining things for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: pass play touchdown all seasons. Yeah, that's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: That's good basically without help of an offense, imagine what

425
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Speaker 1: they could do if you were scoring twenty five points again, right, well,

426
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: the other thing, and Fisher brought this up to it,

427
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Speaker 1: and I think this is a fair criticism. The one

428
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Speaker 1: thing that the defense really can also step up is

429
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,919
Speaker 1: their production on third down, because right now they are

430
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Speaker 1: twenty third in that category. I think they're giving way

431
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Speaker 1: nearly forty two percent of third down opportunities. That's something

432
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Speaker 1: that if you bring that down back into mid to

433
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 1: low thirties, that really does actually help your offense. Yeah, exactly.

434
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Speaker 1: Play on more opportunities gives the offense more opportunities. You know,

435
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: if you're running Todd Gurley, gives him more opportunities to

436
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 1: find a little crease and bust one offense. We're not quitting, though,

437
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: right yeah, a long way ago. Don't quite on me.

438
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Speaker 1: I'm not quitting. Don't quit on me. I'm starting to

439
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: see the gray form, man, the gray. I'm starting to

440
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: see gray hair form. Come on now, I look forward

441
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 1: to Sunday. It's all good. It's funny you say that.

442
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean like I have their gray like sporadic gray

443
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: hairs on my head. Yeah, which makes me feel old.

444
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: Football will do that to you. Football is just life.

445
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 1: Football will do that to you. Enjoy it. This will

446
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: never change one hundred by fifty three. See, it's always fun.

447
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: It will never change. Ten yards is always a first down. Yeah, exactly. Yes,

448
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 1: that's what makes me happy in So, what are some

449
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: of the what are some of the other things that

450
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: you'd like to see this week just from the roomsternally, Well,

451
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to find a way to run

452
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Speaker 1: the football. Um, it would be nice to see Todd

453
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Speaker 1: Gurley pace an offense, pace the game, take over the game. Um.

454
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Speaker 1: I think he's the only guy that's equipped to do

455
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: that right now on this football team when you think

456
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: about it, UM, probably yeah, yeah, I mean that could

457
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 1: really really dominate the game for four quarters and win it. Um.

458
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: I think we've seen Case Kingdom do it in Detroit

459
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: and came up shirt just a little bit, but it

460
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't all on him there. So that would

461
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: be nice to give the defense that act a chance

462
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: to co stars and yeah, and not put on Front

463
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: Street all the time. So we'll see if they can

464
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: get that done. But going up to New York, there's

465
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: a lot of things that need to get worked out

466
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, But the New York Jets have

467
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: their problems too, and it is more off the field stuff, yeah,

468
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: that they're dealing with. So look, this is another winnable

469
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: game for both teams it is, so whoever makes the

470
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Speaker 1: fewest mistakes is going to come out on top. So

471
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Speaker 1: well as we talk about as we record this, I

472
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Speaker 1: should say it is Wednesday. We're about two pm pacifics,

473
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: so we know a little bit about the Jets injury

474
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Speaker 1: situation with Ryan Fitzpatrick. He was practicing today, that's Wednesday,

475
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: so he was limited in the session. So apparently he

476
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: did some things in the individual drills at the media

477
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Speaker 1: was able to watch. The New York Media reported that

478
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: Todd Bowl said after practice that he's not sure whether

479
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Speaker 1: or not Fitzpatrick will be able to play, to know

480
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Speaker 1: at this time or what have you. But then Fitzpatrick

481
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: was speaking in the locker room and he said that

482
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Speaker 1: he is confident that he's going to be able to

483
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Speaker 1: play or something like that. So I think yesterday when

484
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Speaker 1: you know, when we're talking to you, some of the

485
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Speaker 1: guys in the locker room, they said that they expect

486
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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick to be out there, and it seems like that

487
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: is actually going to be the case. He's got a

488
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Speaker 1: knee right, yes, Okay. I wonder how his week is

489
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Speaker 1: going right now, and when he's watching Cam Newton, the

490
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: most mobile quarterback in the league, just getting beat by

491
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: the Rams, getting hit hard, and you've got a bad knee.

492
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Speaker 1: So that's that's going to factor in. I think the

493
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Speaker 1: the old lines when when you look at talent wise,

494
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Speaker 1: because the Jets have had some mix and match problems,

495
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: some continuity problems on the old line. So I think

496
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: the old lines between Carolina and New York are similar.

497
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Speaker 1: So with the exception of crowd noise, which is going

498
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: to help pass rushers, I think you're going to see

499
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: the same advantages out of Coin and out of Donald

500
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Speaker 1: so um, they're gonna get pressure on Fitzpatrick. He's going

501
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: to get hit, so expect that ball to come out fast.

502
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Speaker 1: So we talked about tackling. That's gonna be huge. No

503
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 1: yards after catch, make them go the entire way and

504
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: then you can force them to punt and then you've

505
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 1: got a chance. Yeah exactly. So you know, let's talk

506
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Speaker 1: a little bit about New York because it is a

507
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: city that is very near and dear to my heart.

508
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: Even though why I went to school, I forgot about that.

509
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: I ken't forgetting about that. Yeah, you always forget. I

510
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: forget that. Yeah. So I went to Columbia, No, I

511
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: went I went to Columbia. I spent four really really

512
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: awesome years in New York, and I don't get back

513
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: there as much as I would probably want to. Yeah,

514
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm very excited to go there, even

515
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: though that we are staying in New Jersey, but you know,

516
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: we're staying like right across there, like literally right across

517
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Speaker 1: the river, apparently on the Hudson. So like, I'm really

518
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: excited about that. I get to meet your college friends.

519
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: We get to go out and like, you know, drink

520
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: he fun. Maybe Yeah, No, I think so you're gonna

521
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: hide me. Huh. I'm gonna get to meet the friends.

522
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of hard to hide you

523
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Speaker 1: whenever you go somewhere. Is that a fat joke? No,

524
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: fat joke. But you're excited to a large human joke.

525
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: You're excited, You're excited to go back, excited anybody coming

526
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: to the game, You got people coming, friends coming, No, No,

527
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta work. Are they excited to have

528
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: you back in New York? Maybe? Outstanding parking tickets? This

529
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: is a parking ticket in New York. Do you owe

530
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: any rent? No? No, no, because I didn't live there.

531
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like I didn't live there as like human,

532
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: I lived there as a college. Oh do you have

533
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: any bar tabs? No? Oh, okay, just making sure. No,

534
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. Where are we gonna go? Um,

535
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, So

536
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: because we want we want to start doing we're going

537
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: to Yeah. Yeah, and I guess we could tell the

538
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: audiences that, you know, where we're going to try to

539
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: go to a landmark in different cities and we're gonna

540
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: just kind of talk ball. So yeah, that's something that

541
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: we should probably be discussed. We can talk about it

542
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: right now. I vote ground zero. Really, I vote ground zero.

543
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: Why why not? I mean it's right there, basically, let's go. Yeah,

544
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: I definitely want to go there, and as long as

545
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: I live there, it's pretty crazy that I never went,

546
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: and it's it's sort of a regret. And it's also

547
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: is one of those things where I just I know,

548
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very very sad emotional too good. Yeah,

549
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: it's gonna make me very I think we need to

550
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: go see that right now, yeah, especially right now. Yeah, yeah,

551
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: I think so kind of push the reset button. Yeah, exactly.

552
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: Have you been in New York more? How many times

553
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: you've been in New York. I'm sure you've been in

554
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: New York that you probably played there. He's like looking

555
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: at me, like I'm crazy because I've been in New

556
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: York once or twice in my life. Yeah, what do

557
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: you think of New York? I love York. Guy. Uh No,

558
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm not a New York guy. Guy. Yeah, I'm more

559
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: spread out, man, I'm more laid back. But if you

560
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: want to go, feel small and and and I don't

561
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: want to say insignificant, but um, head to New York.

562
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: There's just thousands and thousands of people on top of

563
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: people and it's just really really fascinating to watch. What

564
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 1: do you what makes it so fascinating for you? Just

565
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: the people? I mean like, um, it was a movie

566
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: maybe I heard, but it's it's true. Like in California,

567
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: no one touches anyone, Like when you walk by in

568
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: New York is different man, It's it's real. You got

569
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: you get on the subway and you know it's rush

570
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: hour traffic, like you're like packed in like sardines. Yeah.

571
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's very uncomfortable. Yeah, but I mean it's it's

572
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: it's a different way of life. So I mean something

573
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: I'd like to go visit. It's just not something i'd

574
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: want to call my home, so and vice versa. I'm

575
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: sure the same when they get out here the same way,

576
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: I want to visit and go home. You know, it's

577
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: so interesting, and you know, I'm not really a New

578
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: Yorker that New Yorkers New York real new Yorkers would say, like,

579
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: you're not a real new york You lived here for

580
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: four years, gay here, like because I'm from Cleveland and whatnot.

581
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: But like I it was a place where, you know,

582
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: being there for college, like it fell like home to me.

583
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: So it's very interesting because you know, you talk to

584
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: different people who are from New York and then they

585
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: come out here or people from LA and then they

586
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: go there and it's like, man, like this is weird.

587
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: And when people from both places kind of say the

588
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: same thing about it. Right. Um, when it comes to sports,

589
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: I love those conversations. When we get to like hip hop,

590
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: that's when I have to leave. That's when I have

591
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: to leave. Okay, we're gonna leave it at that. Okay,

592
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: that's fine, I'm saying. I mean, like it's not it's

593
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: not it's not my strong suit anyway, I'm like jay Z,

594
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: you start talking about the greatest rapper alive. Wait a minute, Okay,

595
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: well but about the greatest rapper. Just saying the greatest

596
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: rappers dead is too po right, So he's gonna get

597
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: the started again. We're going to New York. Man, don't

598
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: bring on no, I'm just right. I don't have these

599
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: conversations making me upset. See look at me. He's waving

600
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: a piece of paper so that it fans himself for

601
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: everybody who's not actually watching this, But thank you listening

602
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: to this one. Yeah, let's do it all right, guys, everybody,

603
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to this episode of

604
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Speaker 1: Between the Horns. UM for DeMarco far from my producer,

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00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: Josh I am Miles Simmons. Thank you for listening, and

606
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Speaker 1: we will see you next week wherever you may be

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Speaker 1: in football