1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: never told your production of I Heeart Radio. So Samantha, 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: as you know, unfortunately we're having to talk a lot 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: about abortion lately. Not that we shouldn't talk about it, 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: but it's unfortunate that we have to talk about it 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: right now. Right? Can I ask you, like if I 7 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: had asked, I don't know, four or five years ago, 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: would you have known that the abortion pill was a thing, 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: could be a thing? You know. I don't think I 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: actually knew about it until a couple of years ago 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: as a thing. I assume the old school tactics of abortion, 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: the d n C, I believe is what was accessible 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: in a story. I knew about Plan B. But that's 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: a whole different level in just finding out that Plan 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: B if you're over a hundred pounds, it's isn't it's 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: not effective? Oh, oh my goodness. Yeah. There's so many 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: things that are frustrating about this conversation, uh, And we've 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: talked about many of them at length, and there are 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: plenty more to go. One of them is to me, though, 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: that like information is kept for most purposefully, and we 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: have such a poor record of sex education in this country, 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: and Plan B would be one. I don't think I 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: knew what that was until well into college, which is 24 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: feels ridiculous, but I get like, looking back, I grew 25 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: up in a small conservative town. They didn't really talk 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: about any of this. Um abstinence was taught at my school. 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: You yeah. And and so with all of the very 28 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: frankly pretty scary stuff happening around abortion here in the 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: United States, we really thought it was important to bring 30 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: back this classic episode. We did with Bridget Todd, who 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: recently reran in it on her show. There are no 32 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: girls on the Internet, but we thought it's important enough. 33 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: Let's just run it everywhere about tele medicine UM and 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: the abortion pill, which is still available as we speak. 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: As we speak, and it's very safe and it's a very, 36 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: uh from what I've read, an option that a lot 37 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: of people prefer. Just I know it can be gloom 38 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: and doom, but do your research. There's still abortion available 39 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: in one way or the other right now. So uh, 40 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is any and Samantha. 41 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm welcome to stuff I never told you production of 42 00:02:49,480 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: I Hire Radio. And we are through to once again 43 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: be joined by our good friend, the amazing, so talented 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Bridget Todd. Oh. I'm so happy here. Thank you for 45 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: having me. I'm I told you earlier. I was drinking 46 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: a little sparkling wine to celebrate the holiday season and 47 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: getting to hang out with you all. I'm so excited. Yes, yes, 48 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: they're so excited too. And this one is actually pretty 49 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about it. Some rare good news, 50 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: I feel. But yes, um, Bridget Uh, We're we're coming 51 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: toward the end of the year and this is we're 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: kind of finishing up recordings for one which is weird, 53 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: very very strange. Do you have anything I know last 54 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: time we talked about weird Christmas? Is there anything else 55 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 1: like on the horizon you're excited about? Later today we're 56 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: leaving for our weirdo Christmas, which I'm so ecstatic about, 57 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: so happy. Yeah, I'm also spending the holidays with my 58 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: brand new, fresh out the oven niece, little baby three 59 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: months old and the cutest kid in the world. I 60 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: am ob tested with her. She doesn't know that I'm 61 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: a person, but we'll get there. Baby steps, as they say, right, 62 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: I don't think they recognize you as a person until 63 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: they're literally in their adolescence because until then you are 64 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: their servants to give to them what they want. Essentially, 65 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 1: is what I've discovered with all the young uns pretty much. Yeah, 66 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you probably I'm gonna say seven. Oh, okay, 67 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: I think you and I have different ideas of adolescents. 68 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: And okay, am I saying that wrong? I don't. I 69 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: just always thought that was like twelve years. Well, this 70 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: is we're going to get hung up in in vernacular 71 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: that we don't need to get into right now. But 72 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: now I'm clear on what you mean. Okay, I got you. 73 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: Now I'm having to question it anyway, Yes, move on. 74 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: I'm excited. Judy is that her name? That's such a 75 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: great name. We're throwing it back a little bit. Yes, 76 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 1: it's It can be turned into all kinds of cute nicknames. 77 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: I call her Judy Cutie. Again. She doesn't understand that 78 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm speaking to her. She only now just realized that 79 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: she has like hands and a tongue. So we're at 80 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: your baby steps. Yeah, yeah, do you all have fun 81 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: holiday plans? Uh? Well, we teld you about our kind 82 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: of weirdo New Years, which is essentially staying in and 83 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: wearing one's ees, watching pies. I do make like the 84 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: traditional soup, you know, the yes, exactly exactly. I can't. 85 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, it's been going so well for me. 86 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: So maybe I didn't get the right type of collared greens. 87 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you know this, Bridget, 88 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: But right before the pandemic, I really said in my 89 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: New Year's resolution was to stay in more. Oh and 90 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: that's the thing that I feel like I ruined everything 91 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: a curse. I think you're to blame. I'm sure I 92 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: thought my first ever planner for I usually never buy 93 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: a planners about my first ever in life planner, and 94 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote all kinds of goals dream Oh. Yeah. 95 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: We had a whole episode about predicting what would happen, 96 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: and we were real wrong, like the wrongest that we 97 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: could be. I think we hit those Essentially, it's one 98 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: for the books, that episode. Yeah, we kind of it 99 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: almost had to be an apology, like sorry, we have 100 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: to retract something. Essentially, we just go ahead and we 101 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: were the conspiracy theories about five g We were right 102 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: about that. There were we didn't know how far it 103 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: would go. We just did not have the imaginations to 104 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: match the reality. Uh, for myself, it is going to 105 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: be a very low key low key I say, because 106 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: we are are going to partners Christmas. This is our 107 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: first big deal Christmas, I guess, And I say low 108 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: key because I am anxious written about it, and so 109 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretending like it's not happening. So I'm sure the 110 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: day we drive there is when I'm gonna have a 111 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: panic attack, which is silly because they're great people, but 112 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: in my head, this is a new situation. So I'm like, good, 113 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. You should watch a lot 114 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: of holiday movies like um, The Family Stone, like like 115 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: you know holiday movies where it's like, oh, they're like 116 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: a new partner visiting for the holidays to sort of 117 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: get get your mind right. Wait, have you seen Holiday Stone? 118 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: Because it does not end well what happened? Oh, don't 119 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: watch that one. It's gonna go much better than that. 120 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: I forgot about that. You're because it's not over the 121 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: top that I was like, oh my god, this is 122 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: so depressing. Why am I watching those? Every wrong thing 123 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: has happened? And Nolbridge is like, I hope that upaul 124 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: on you. I thought we were friends. That won't happen. 125 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: It'll be that'll be a representation of what will what 126 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: will not. Right there we go, Okay, okay, I'm gonna 127 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: I'll take that. That was very very funny. Also, I 128 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: just want to say, Bridget, thank you for complimenting my 129 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: very direky Star Wars Boba Fette sweater. So it's actually 130 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: a big deal because it's a gift from my older 131 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: brother and he's never given me a gift in my 132 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: entire life. So yeah, I know, I'm like, all right, Mark, 133 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: because he was like I knew this, this is for you. 134 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: There's no way I couldn't get this. You are correct, 135 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, it's a very antie gift. Kudos to 136 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: the brother. Yes, and Annie has is it now? Six 137 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: five six different Star Wars Christmas sweaters, none of which 138 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: I purchased, So people do know me very well. But yes, 139 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: so I'm trying to get through the catalog while I can, 140 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: while it's acceptable, even though it's mostly just me in 141 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: my apartment, so I guess it doesn't matter. I could 142 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: wear them whenever. All right, So we are also excited 143 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: to discuss the topic he bought today, Bridget Um, So 144 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: what are we going to be discussing. It feels like, 145 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: let's go. I know, it's like it's like it feels 146 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: like a little bit of a gift for once. I 147 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: am excited to share we have a little bit of 148 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: positive news for people who have uterus is can you imagine? 149 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: That feels like all we ever get is like, oh, 150 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: we're bad news, We're bad news. But actually, just yesterday, 151 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: the Food and Drug Administration the FDA announced a permanent 152 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: repeal of the in person dispensing requirement for I actually 153 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: have the pronunciations spelled out. If I butcher dis pronunciation, 154 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Please don't come after me. Myth A prity zone one 155 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: of the two medications used in medication abortion a k a. 156 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: The abortion pill. So uh, pretty exciting, it's a it's 157 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: a I'm cautiously optimistic and pretty comfortable saying like it's 158 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: a good thing. Well discuss like why it's sort of 159 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: like not the best thing, but it's definitely a step 160 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: in the right direction, and so I'm comfortable like these days, 161 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: you gotta take a w however you can get it. 162 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: So I'm comfortable saying this is a small win for 163 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: abortion rights, which is such a yeah, A sentence, my 164 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: brain did not know how to process. When I was 165 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: looking over your outline, I was like, right, I feel 166 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: the same way. I really feel maybe we've just so 167 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: traumatized previously and we're all on edge that I'm like, yeah, 168 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: but but what like just waiting but instead of celebrating, Hey, 169 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: this is good news because it is a step forward. 170 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: But totally as someone who is pretty involved in the 171 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: fight for abortion rights and access and reproductive justice, I 172 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: know exactly that that weird feeling you're describing when but 173 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: qualified within then sort of like well, and then ultimately 174 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: I guess I feel that we shouldn't have to be 175 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: fighting for this stuff in general, like we should. Everybody 176 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: deserves to have autonomy over their own body, access to 177 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: health care, access to abortion care if they need it. 178 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: Even the conversation I feel is we shouldn't even have 179 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: to be fighting for stuff like this. But you know, 180 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: in the fight for abortion rights that can be very negative, 181 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: very taking many, many many steps back, and so I 182 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: do think it's important to, you know, highlight when we 183 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: have something that is not awful happening, and this is 184 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: actually something I think I've seen it in the headlines 185 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: and I know you and I talked about it bridget 186 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: a while back, several years ago, and I not I 187 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: didn't really know much about the abortion pill. So can 188 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: you can you tell us what it is and how 189 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: it works? Absolutely so? According to Planned Parenthood, the so 190 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: called abortion pill is a popular name for two different 191 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: medicines used to end a pregnancy, miffor pretty zone and 192 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: another one myso prosatol. So pregnancy needs the hormone called 193 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: pro estrogen to grow normally, and miffor pretty zone blocks 194 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: your protys own pro estrogen. And so basically it's just 195 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: a combination of pills that you take to induce an abortion. Yes, 196 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: And I know, like you know, this conversation isn't only 197 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: limited to the US, was it Ireland? Had it somewhere? 198 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: Had a similar kind of conversation with Scotland and Andy, 199 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: you and I we did that whole episode about um 200 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: the changing rules in the UK because the United States 201 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: and so this is definitely a global issue and issue 202 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: where like other countries and other regions have have different 203 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: standards of the legality of how pregnant people can access 204 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: this kind of medication to get the abortion here they need. Yeah, 205 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: and one of the things that we talked about in 206 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: that episode was also tele medicine UM and being able 207 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: to get it and like from the comfort of your 208 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: own home, and how important that was for a lot 209 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: of people for this UM. So, can you share the 210 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: history of this kind of abortion care via telemedicine in 211 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: the US? Totally? So tell a medicine if you don't 212 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: know what that is is basically when you access your 213 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,359 Speaker 1: doctor through the Internet, through your phone through video conferencing. 214 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: That's kind of like the thing for me that makes 215 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: this kind of a tech story is that people have 216 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: been relying on that kind of technology enabled healthcare for 217 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: a really long time. So abortion via telemedicine has been 218 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: available in the U s SCE around two thousand and eight, 219 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: when the first formal program began an eye Love, a 220 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: patient and one clinic can confer via video conference with 221 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: a doctor and another clinic and then they would get 222 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: their pills to induce an abortion. And that video conferencing 223 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: element that satisfied a federal requirement that a doctor had 224 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: to dispense the medication to induce an abortion in a 225 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: clinic office or hospital. And so that was a real 226 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: instance where technology bridged that gap. That's satisfied this federal 227 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: requirement that a doctor dispense I'm using quotes around that 228 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: this medication. And so there are so many reasons why 229 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: that would be a huge deal for people who are 230 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: pregnant or really anybody looking for any kind of healthcare. 231 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: Because if you're someone who lives in a rural community 232 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: or a remote community, you can't always get to a clinic. 233 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: Maybe there's not one close. Let's say you don't have 234 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: a car. Let's say you're just a busy person in 235 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: a lot on your plate, and you can't physically go 236 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: see a doctor. Telemedicine really is this thing that can 237 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: really bridge that gap and bring the health care that 238 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: folks need right into their homes, and so huge, huge deal. Unfortunately, 239 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: opponents responded pretty quickly prohibiting abortion via telemedicine in twenty state. 240 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: In the US, the FDA regulates medication abortion under a 241 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: set of rules called the Risk Evaluation and Medication Strategy 242 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: or r e m S. We should turn means how 243 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: and which doctors can provide abortion pills to patients. There 244 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: was this really interesting paper called sixteen years of Overregulation, 245 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: Time to Unburden Myths, published in twenty seventeen in the 246 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: New England Journal of Medicine. UM we're leading clinicians and 247 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: public health experts argued that the FDA restrictions were medically unnecessary, 248 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: and a c l U attorneys noted that the leading 249 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: medical groups, including the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, 250 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: support making abortion bills available by prescription at pharmacies UM. 251 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: And here's a really good quote from one of the doctors. 252 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: He says, overwhelming medical evidence and decades of clinical experience 253 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: show medication abortion to be a safe and effective method 254 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: to end pregnancy. There are simply no medical justifications for 255 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: these restrictions, and they create a needless and harmful burden 256 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: for women seeking in this care. And I think that 257 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: really sums up I feel what this conversation is about. 258 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: It's about what happens when there are needless and undo 259 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: burdens that separate people from the medical care and including 260 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: abortion care that they need. And in one of the 261 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: things that happens is that people who who need an abortion, 262 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: who want an abortion resort to if they have these 263 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: undue burdens, are these obstacles two less than reliable, perhaps 264 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: less than safe, like online places where they can get 265 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: these medications. Right, Yeah, so this actually really makes me sad. 266 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I feel again, these 267 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: burdens make people resort to things that are not always safe. 268 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: In a study called exploring the Feasibility of Obtaining myth 269 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: Repriti Zone and be so Protosol from the Internet, Elizabeth Raymond, 270 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: a senior medical associate at the research organization Genuity, google 271 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: phrases like by abortion pills online, and the researchers ended 272 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: up ordering eighteen of the pill combinations from sixteen different websites, 273 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: none of which required a prescription. Pills usually came from India, 274 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: which there is a large generic drug industry there, and 275 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: the shipments usually call surround like a hundred and ten, 276 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: three and sixty dollars, and they took about three days 277 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: to three weeks to arrive. And so basically they found 278 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: that these products they were getting when they would they 279 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: would google things like abortion pills online, we're just kind 280 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: of sketchy. They would have typos that would be language 281 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: mistranslations in the in the packages. Um In one instance, 282 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: the pills arrived with the blister packs had been broken, 283 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: and the researchers think that was done intentionally because they 284 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: didn't want someone to be like, oh, I think there's 285 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: abortion pills in this package, so they would break the 286 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: blister packs those things that keep pills from cracking um 287 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: before sending them. And even more worryingly, none of these 288 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: pills came with instructions for use, and so just like 289 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: very sketchy, but you can see the kinds of things 290 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: that people resort to when these burdens are put in 291 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: place to keep them from the abortion care that they need. Right, 292 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: I feel like this is just talking in a different 293 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: way of what was happening in the early pre row 294 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: versus way in trying to find solutions the best they can, 295 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: especially for those who can't afford access in any way 296 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: at all. Just not being able to pay a hundred 297 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: dollars I'm assuming in a lot of things, when you 298 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: start realizing that price is too good to be true, 299 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: it probably is. And when we will talk about especially 300 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: for healthcare and reproductive care, we already know, yeah, because 301 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: people want this to fail, that people are not going 302 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: to look and try to stop these these really sketchy situations, 303 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: which is infuriating because that has put so many people 304 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: with us in danger and so many people who are 305 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: in a place that they cannot go to doctors. They 306 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: cannot even afford tele medicine, even though that's a better access, 307 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: thank goodness, is a step up. But we have things 308 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: like kind amendment that prevents even trying to access it 309 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: for those who can't afford these types of solutions that 310 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: should already been existing. As you had said earlier, Oh absolutely. 311 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: You reminded me of one of my favorite quotes from 312 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: one of my idols, shortly Chisholm. She says, no matter what, 313 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: and think, abortion is the fact of life. Women have 314 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: always had them. They always have and they always will. 315 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? 316 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Will the good ones be reserved for the rich? Will 317 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: the poor women go to quacks? And I feel like 318 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: that really sums it up, you know, this idea that 319 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: when you know, surely just is almost talking about this 320 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: in the seventies, and here we are in still having 321 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: this conversation about whether or not people who don't have 322 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: access or influence or financial means. Are we going to 323 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: say that it's okay for them to have to access 324 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: abortion care through sketchy means, via quacks, via like pills 325 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: that maybe aren't super you know, on the level, and 326 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: I think the answer should be no. Everybody deserves medical care, 327 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: everybody deserves abortion care if that's what they need. And 328 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: it makes me so sad that, just like you said this, 329 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: it's kind of an updated version of the same conversation 330 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: we've been having since the sixties and seventies, and it's 331 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: so depressing in that regards here to put a dark 332 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: cloud everything you can always count on you. I feel 333 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: like we need to sound effect like the more you know, 334 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: but it's like Samantha's dark cloud. I think it should 335 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: be like D work on that later. This also reminds 336 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: me of because a lot of what you talk about, 337 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: Bridget has to do with, yes, the Internet and misinformation 338 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: and disinformation. And I know we've had conversations around CPCs 339 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: or crisis pregnancy centers and how when you'll type you know, 340 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: where do I get in abortion? A lot of times 341 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: the results will be like the first results will be 342 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: um D C PCs And I can just imagine for 343 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: people trying to get access to to this medication the 344 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: same kind of issue there, and then on top of 345 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: that people have been arrested. Correct, Oh, absolutely so the 346 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: s I a legal team, a group of lawyers who 347 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: specialized in people who have induced their own abortions, knows 348 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: of twenty one people who have been arrested or prosecuted 349 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: for ending their pregnancies outside of this medical setting that 350 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: was required, you know, in terms of medication abortion or 351 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: helping someone else do it. This actually might be and 352 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: be undercounted since they rely on news reports such fact 353 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: these cases. The charges brought against people who self aboard 354 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 1: can range from child abuse, the abuse of a corpse, 355 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: or failure to report death. Now, to be clear, none 356 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: of the women were prosecuted for buying abortion pills specifically, 357 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: but they note that buying pills online or even googling 358 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: phrases like buy abortion pills online, can leave a paper 359 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: trail that can be used as evidence against them in 360 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: a trial. And so this is not something that is 361 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: abstract like we in this country, people have been prosecuted 362 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: for trying to induce abortions on their own via pills 363 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: they get online. Um a famous case in twenty fifteen, Indiana, 364 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: woman named Pervy Patel was sentenced to twenty years in 365 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: prison for feet aside after she allegedly used abortion pills 366 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: that she ordered online. Prosecutors claimed that her feet as 367 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: had been quote born alive and that she allowed it 368 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: to die, but later her conviction was overturned on appeal. 369 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: So again we are talking about very real circumstances where 370 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: this this right to access abortion care via pills via 371 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: tele medicine online has been really a fraud thing that 372 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: people have been prosecuted for trying to do. And you know, 373 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: we have all of these instances where people have subjected 374 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: themselves to unsafe, sketchy abortion pills because of the undue 375 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: burdens that have been put in place to prevent them 376 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: from getting access to the care they need. The case 377 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: for the woman in Indiana, even though it's not related, 378 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of brings back the memories of what just happened 379 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: in Alabama recently with a woman who lost the fetus 380 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: wanting to have this baby, not trying to have an abortion, 381 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: but got prosecuted with those same types of charges for 382 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: neglect of a fetus. And I'm like, we all were horrified, 383 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: and had it not been publicized, she probably would still 384 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: have remained in jail or prison. And it also takes 385 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: me to what's happening in Texas as the Supreme Court 386 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: is now allowing the bounty law what I'm calling it, 387 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: I know that's not what it's actually called for it 388 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: to go. And I'm wondering how this is going to affect, uh, 389 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: if people are trying to access abortion pills, and then 390 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: we are you already said I believe that twenty states 391 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: are not allowing for this type of access in anyway. 392 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: So I'm guessing Texas is one of those. I'm ones 393 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: to guessing Georgia is to that. Wow, this is going 394 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: to affect even more so in trying to prosecute those 395 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: with yours or those who are helping trying to get 396 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: access at all. Yeah, it's a great question, and I 397 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: think it really underscores just what scary dire times we 398 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: are in. You know, I remember talking to my mom about, 399 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: you know, when she was coming of age protesting for 400 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, abortion on her campus, trying to get access 401 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: to birth control pills, and she once told me she 402 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh, when I was doing all of that 403 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: back then, I knew at least when I had a daughter, 404 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: she wouldn't have to sort of fight these same fights, 405 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: that these fights would be over and done with at 406 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: the time my daughter was here, Well, talk about, you know, 407 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: predictions that didn't come true. She was wrong. Here I 408 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: am her adult daughter still having to deal with this 409 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And so we are in a really 410 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: scary time for abortion access for anybody who cares about 411 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: abortion access, and that should really be everybody, everybody, regardless 412 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: of gender, should care about this. And so I agree 413 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: with you. I I think that sometimes I'll see, like 414 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: I think it was Chris Hayes who tweeted something, and 415 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: I like Chris Hayes, and I'm not I'm not trying 416 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: to like get down on him, but he tweeted about 417 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: I think the Texas abortion bill, like, oh, I think 418 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: that we're going to see miscarriages being criminalized next. And 419 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: it's like, I hate to break it to you, Chris Hayes, 420 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: but we're there. That happened. You know. This is exactly 421 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: that same level of like, oh my god, we're still 422 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: fighting for access. We're still trying to have this conversation 423 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: about bodily autonomy for those with uterus is those who 424 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: are non binary, like trying to figure out how to 425 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: even have rights at all. Like honestly, seeing the news 426 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: as I talked about it earlier, I was like, but 427 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: but waiting for you know, they had to job waiting for. 428 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's gonna go fall apart. I'm trying to 429 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: figure out how even how the FDA even came to 430 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: this point, How did we get here? Which is amazing, 431 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: but how well. I actually have an answer for you, 432 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: which is like, as much as I hated COVID, we 433 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: kind of have COVID to thank for this important change. 434 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: And so this new change, to be clear, um, it's 435 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: not going to impact everyone on every state, like you said, 436 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: but the reason why we have it is because of 437 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: COVID restrictions. And so during the pandemic, medical groups filed 438 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: a lawsuit asking that the in person dispensing requirement be 439 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: lifted because the pandemic meant that patients were faced with 440 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: a greater risk of being infected um with coronavirus if 441 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: they were visiting clinics in person to get pills. And 442 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: so a judge granted that request this that summer, but 443 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: after a challenge by the Trump administration, of course, the 444 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: Supreme Court reinstated the restriction. In March. Medical organizations it 445 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: again right into President bide An end Vice President Harris 446 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: in April, the FDA decided not to enforce the in 447 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: person requirement for the duration of the pandemic and allowed 448 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: uh these pills to be mailed to folks, and again yesterday, 449 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: the big decision is that that change, which at that 450 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: point was temporary, is going to be made permanent. And so, 451 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, the pandemic. I hate it. I hate it, obviously, 452 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: but this is one of those things where I think 453 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: that the people who were fighting for these regular this 454 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: regulation change really saw a way to be like, you know, 455 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to ask people to go in 456 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: person to get the abortion care they need, particularly during 457 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: a pandemic, and then being like and also, shouldn't we 458 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: just end it all together? You know, I really appreciate 459 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: them kind of like the strategy of this. Yeah, you know, 460 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: you gotta find your like you said, your wins and 461 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: your chances where you can and if it's a pandemic, well, 462 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: so could you go into just a bit more like 463 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: what exactly this this ruling is means in terms of like, yeah, 464 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: the states and how how it's like specifically impacting different 465 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: states and just what does it all mean? BRG Totally. 466 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: I want to make clear that, like, it is important 467 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: to note that this will not impact everyone in every state. 468 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: As you said, in nineteen states, mostly in the South 469 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: and the Midwest, telemedicine visits for abortion our banned, and 470 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: so that really, you know, there's really no change in 471 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: those states. And and then you know, because everything is awful, 472 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: and that because you know, the powers that be are 473 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: constantly shipping away at our rights and our our access 474 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: to abortion care. Um, we do believe that conservative states 475 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: are expected to pass other laws to further pertail the 476 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: access to abortion pills. And so even know, again I 477 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: feel like this is a win, I want to be clear, 478 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: that is not a win that impacts everybody. And so 479 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: this means that people who live in states that do 480 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: not allow telemedicine for abortion must travel to a state 481 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: that does. Although and this is kind of a weird point, 482 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: they do not have to visit a clinic. They may 483 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: be in any location within that state for their telehealth visit, 484 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: even inside of a car. They may receive pills at 485 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: any address in that state. So again, it just seems 486 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: like such a weird, obviously burden to be like, well, 487 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: if you're in this state that does not allow for 488 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: telemedicine appointments for abortion pills, you can't get them, but 489 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: if you drive to a state that does allow them, 490 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: you can just sit in the Wendy's parking lot and 491 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: have a telemedicine and visit over your phone in your car, 492 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: and then that's all good. That again, it just seems 493 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: like it's really reveals that this is about putting ridiculous 494 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: burdens and barriers to prevent people from getting the abortion 495 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: care they need. Like what if you don't have car, 496 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: what if you don't have the financial means to drive 497 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: to another state, what if you have to work or 498 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: already have kids and don't really have the ability to 499 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: just like take a trip like this. It seems like 500 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: such an obvious way to just prevent people from getting 501 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: the care they need. And like, to me, it's just 502 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: like my both alarm goes off, Like this is clearly 503 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: just like let's just make it hard for people to 504 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: get the care they need. Yeah, I mean, this is 505 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: such a like a much more superficial problem. But it 506 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: reminds me of when I was a kid. Um we 507 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: would drive to the border of Alabama and where I'm 508 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: located in Georgia, and we'd right in the border. They'd 509 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: be all these fireworks you're gonna say that we would 510 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: get all these fireworks and be like, but if they're 511 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: legal in Georgia, my parents would be like, you can't 512 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: sell them, but we could shoot them off. I'm like, 513 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: that makes no sense to me, right. I was looking 514 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: the same thing with like alcohol cells, you know, within 515 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: the Southern States, like they were very restrictive up until 516 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: a certain point, so people would cross board orders to 517 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: go get alcohol. So for the long time, Georgia couldn't 518 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: sell it on Sundays, so people would go to Alabama 519 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: like that would have access to it. Again, this is 520 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: very like less harmful than any other the stuff, but 521 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: it is also very reminiscent of the fact that they 522 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: are shutting down clinics in certain states and so therefore 523 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: we have to access clinics maybe two or three states 524 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: away in general, And honestly, we've been watching what's happening 525 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: with Poland as well, as they have had one of 526 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: the harshest restrictions and bands um in the world as well, 527 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: and it's fairly new and them talking about the fact 528 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: that they're having to do essentially underground networks to get 529 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: access to pills and to any type of reproductive health 530 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: access by traveling across country borderlines in order to get access. 531 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's exactly what's happening in that level of 532 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: state wise for us that yes, for some of these 533 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna make it so difficult that you will you 534 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: will have to plan as if like you have to 535 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: be a way for a week to get a pill 536 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: um in order to get any kind of access, and 537 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: if you can't afford it, sorry, then you're not allowed it. Yeah, 538 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: and so just like what's happening in Poland, we're seeing 539 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: some a bit of that here in the United States. 540 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: So states like California and New York states where you 541 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: can access abortion pills via telemedicine, they've taken steps in 542 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: recent years to further solidify access to abortion, and they're 543 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: expected to increase the availability of telemedicine for abortion pills, 544 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: specifically to provide opportunities for folks and other states with 545 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: these kinds of restrictions to obtain abortion pills by traveling 546 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: to their state to get them. And so we are 547 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: seeing this thing where other states that allow this are 548 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: probably going to be stepping up so that people specifically 549 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: so that people who live in states that you know, 550 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: they can't access this can get them, and so it 551 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: is it is a little bit like that. And you know, 552 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: even though this is a win, we shouldn't have to 553 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: be doing any of this just to get abortion care. 554 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: Like nobody should have to jump through ridiculous hoops to 555 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: get medical care that they need, and so this is 556 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: no different. And so I think of this as a 557 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: in but I just I have to keep harping on 558 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: that that we shouldn't have to be fighting this way 559 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: and like celebrating these sort of like incremental tooth and 560 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: nail winds for something that like should just be a 561 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: right that everybody should have. And these pill based abortions 562 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: are actually pretty common, right, that's right. And so especially 563 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: in the pandemic, the tele Abortion Project, which is a 564 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: research program authorized by the FDA to conduct tele medicine 565 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: appointments and male pills, has heard from many people and 566 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: they're saying that they have really seen from folks using 567 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 1: their services, that people are really stepping up the amount 568 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: that they are seeking these kinds of services since the pandemic. 569 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Raymond. She said that of the two thousand and eighties, 570 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: three abortions provided under the program between July and October one, 571 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: more than a third seven and fifteen occurred during the pandemic, 572 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: and that really mirrors what the CDC has found. The 573 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: CDC found in in some states, including Indiana, Kansas, and Minnesota, 574 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: that methodic pill based abortions accounted for the majority of 575 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: abortions according to state health department records, and the CDC 576 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: also found that sevent abortions occurred before the ten weeks 577 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: gestation period, suggesting that there are many, many, many more 578 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: people who would probably choose abortion pills over an in 579 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: clinic procedure if they could. Another great resource, Abortion on Demand, 580 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: which is an online platform that provides position supported medication. 581 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: Abortion Care Online, said that they have seen a lot 582 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: of growing interests in pill based abortions since the pandemic 583 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: as well. And so it makes complete sense that at 584 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: a time when it's like not safe to leave your house, 585 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: that people would be turning to the internet to get 586 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: the kind of care that they need, and even beyond abortion. 587 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: You know, I when the pandemic started, actually very early 588 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: into the pandemic, this is like a little bit embarrassing. 589 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: I had a assist on my butt cheek and my 590 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: doctor had switched to telemedicine only, and I remember thinking like, well, 591 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: certainly she's not gonna want to like have me take 592 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: down my pants and show her my butt cheek over 593 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, face time. And that's exactly what I did, 594 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: and I probably get the care that I needed. And 595 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: so obviously we should not be putting unfair barriers in 596 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,479 Speaker 1: place when I think that the pandemic really showed how 597 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: important it is to use the technology that we have 598 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: to access healthcare right. And I know there are stories 599 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: you can find out. There are people who said, like 600 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: why it was so important to them and why they 601 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: wanted to be in like they're kind of you know, 602 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: home or where they felt comfortable when they did this. Um. 603 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: But also unfortunately a lot of times going to an 604 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: abortion clinic can also not feel safe because there can 605 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: be people protesting outside and that makes it a much 606 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: more stressful experience. And and speaking of I'm sure, um, 607 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: not everyone was happy about about this news. Oh, of 608 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: course not so. Anti choice groups were not happy about 609 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: this announcement. The Susan B. Anthony Foundation said, the Biden 610 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: administration today moved to you can the long standing federal 611 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: safety regulations against mail order abortion drugs designed to protect 612 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: women from serious health risk and potential abuse. So here's 613 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: my question about this. First of all, how and why 614 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: would someone be abusing these abortion pills. It's not like 615 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: they like take it from me. They do not get 616 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: you high the side effects that you might have or 617 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: like mild nausea. I don't really think that people are like, oh, 618 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get these drugs to induce mild nausea. 619 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a wild time. Can't wait to abuse them. 620 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: So already have some questions there, and then doctors make 621 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: it clear that pill based abortions are safe. A research 622 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: program at the FDA found that of the one thousand, 623 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifties seven abortions that occurred through the 624 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: program between September, we're completed without requiring any follow up procedure, 625 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: patients made seventy visits to emergency rooms or urgent care centers, 626 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: with ten instances of serious complications to study reported. And 627 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: so that's really like pretty good in terms of you know, 628 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: the safety of its, Like, doctors have made it very 629 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: clear that pill based abortions are not unsafe, and telemedicine 630 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: abortions are safe for all the reasons that you've just said, 631 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: any they can be more convenient. Maybe you don't want 632 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: to go to an abortion clinic where there's going to 633 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: be people shouting at you when you're already stressed. Uh, 634 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: maybe you have to work, or maybe you can't afford 635 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: to get to a clinic, or like, there are so 636 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: many reasons why someone would choose to, you know, access 637 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: the care they need through telemedicine, and it's there's not 638 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: really a lot of reasons why we are regulating it 639 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: in this way. And one thing I also want to 640 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: point out is that this change is obviously, like very 641 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: long overdue, especially when you consider that out of the 642 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: twenty different prescription medications currently regulated by the FDA, these 643 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: abortion bills are the only one, the only one the 644 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: f d A previously required to be dispensed in person 645 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: but permitted patience to self administer. And so that really, 646 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: I mean, like, of all of these medications, this like, 647 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: why is this the only one that had this unfair 648 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: burden to access? This is one of the only medications 649 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: that are given to people with uteruses and those who 650 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: need reproductive home Like essentially, this is why we know 651 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: these answers, And I find that fascinating because as we're 652 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: looking for the future, and of course, I think part 653 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: of the reason and any and I are both like 654 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: hesitant in celebrating because we are in Georgia run by 655 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: current Governor Brian Kimp who has absolutely put into place 656 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: every restriction that you can think of when it comes 657 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: to accessing any kind of health care in general. And 658 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: I say that very loudly, as he is threatening to 659 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: shut down any connections with federal assistance when it comes 660 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: to coverage in the state at this point in time. 661 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that we are 662 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: talking about and trying to be very loud about is 663 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: that these groups are not focusing on the women. Obviously, 664 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: it is a literal fight about what is moral in 665 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: their eyes, and for a Bible belt area of such 666 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: as Georgia, it is a constant battle trying to see 667 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: how to combat uh, these really generalize slash false narratives 668 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: of the harming women as if they're truly trying to 669 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: save women. What is actually they're trying to prevent women 670 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: to get good access and good health care at all. 671 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: So it's kind of one of those moments of like 672 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: how and I guess honestly the pandemic has shown a 673 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: lot of light about the fact that when it comes 674 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 1: to morality and conspiracies, they don't care if it's from science. 675 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: They don't care about the truth, as we have learned, 676 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: um and I find it interesting that as we are 677 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: trying to focus on this, what what are some ways 678 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: that we can maybe uh advocate for ourselves, for people 679 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: like Annie and I who are stuck in Georgia right now, 680 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: for more access to these things. Oh what a good question. 681 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I just have to honor 682 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: what you just said, because we are at a time 683 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: where it is scary and the threat is real. Anybody 684 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: who told you like, oh, they're not gonna overturn row, 685 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: like you'll be fine, Like we're not gonna go backward, 686 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: they were incorrect. They were telling you something that wasn't true. 687 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: And I I I'm sorry to have to say that, 688 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: but here's here's the reality of where we are, and 689 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: it's it's very real, and it's very scary, and I 690 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: completely understand the urge to be like, well, this is happening. 691 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: It's inevitable. Our rights are going to be rolled back. 692 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 1: Women are going to die, people are going to die. 693 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: This is going to be bad. Anybody who's feeling that 694 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: that exhaustion and malaise, I'm with you, I get it. 695 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: All I can say is that now is not the 696 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: time to retreat. Now is the time to dig in. 697 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: And so I have to really lift up and amplify 698 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: all the amazing people who are doing the work on 699 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 1: the ground of protecting abortion access. I want to shout 700 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: out a few people right now. My colleague at Ultraviolet, 701 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: Sonya Spoo, who is incredible. Um, my friend Renee, who 702 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: is doing a lot of work around abortion storytelling and 703 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: just like helping people understand how many different people are 704 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: impacted by abortion care and need abortions, and like someone 705 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: that you love has had an abortion. And then if 706 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: you're looking like what can I do? Absolutely now is 707 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: the time to be supporting abortion funds around the country. 708 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: If you've got a local abortion fund in your in 709 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: your community, throw them some money. If you've got some 710 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: extra money, you can go to abortion Funds dot org 711 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: and find out. You know, people are doing a lot 712 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: of organizing of making sure that people can still get 713 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: the access to care that they need. So definitely support 714 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: those folks. Also urge your lawmaker to support the Women's 715 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: Health Protection Act. You can go to we are Ultra 716 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: violet dot org and find our petition demanding the Women's 717 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: Health Protection Act be passed because we need Now is 718 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: the time that we need to be fighting with all 719 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: that we've got. I know it is scary, I know 720 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: it is hard. I know we've all been through a lot, 721 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: but now is the time to really dig in. And 722 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: I think, like, like, one of the things that really 723 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: gives me hope in this fight are things like abortion 724 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: care networks, are things like this, individuals doing what they can, 725 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: and so I know that we got us are The 726 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: government might always not always have our back, our left 727 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: that officials might not always have our back, but we 728 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: have our own backs. And so this spite is hard 729 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: and long, but I know I know that we got 730 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: we got each other, and so that's the one thing 731 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,919 Speaker 1: that really gives me hope. So Will said, I think 732 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: I needed it, because yes, I've been very stress, we 733 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: all are very concerned and worried. But that was a 734 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: nice a nice bow on this our last recording with you, 735 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: Bridge and some excellent advice as always hanging there, Yes, 736 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: hanging there, we can do this. We can do this. 737 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: Low key there. That's that's what I call you, Samantha 738 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: LOKEI very loy. Yes, yes, well, thank you as always 739 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: Bridget for joining us, um and bringing this topic. It 740 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 1: is always such a delight to have you have fun. 741 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: You're about to leave for your your weirdo Christmas. Correct, 742 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,399 Speaker 1: that's right. In a matter of hours, I will be 743 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 1: wearing a fur hat like probably pretty drunk in the wood. 744 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: It's important in this whole conversation. Yes, yes, have a 745 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: lovely time. Um. Where can the listeners find you? Well, 746 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: you can find me all over the web. I'm at 747 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: Bridget Marie on Twitter and at Bridget Marie in DC 748 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Please follow me. 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