1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello, and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. This week we had our 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: latest installment of Unearthed. I don't feel like we often 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: remind folks that we are too human beings living and 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: working through all of the things that are happening in 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: the world that are also affecting everyone else. But I 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: worked on these episodes as the Supreme Court was issuing 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: one decision after another that was like monumental and has 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: wide reaching effects, and regardless of how you personally feel 11 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: about any of these decisions, it was definitely a kay 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: atic uh and often, from my point of view, demoralizing 13 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: series of days. Yes, I did a lot of all 14 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: caps swearing on social media because I just couldn't help myself. Yeah. Yeah. 15 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: A lot of these are related to things that um 16 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: that we have talked about on the show before. I 17 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: think the first thing that comes to people's minds is 18 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: probably ro versus Wade, But there were also decisions that 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: affected things like tribal sovereignty, which has been something that 20 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: has come up on the show so much, and that 21 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: also like that decision seems to foretell other decisions that 22 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: might also have a damaging effect on tribal sovereignty. Like 23 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: there was just a lot. There was so much that 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: was happening. And one thing that has been true of 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: Unearthed episodes going back since starting to do them is 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: that as I work on them, I usually have hundreds 27 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: of links to articles to go through for them. Uh. 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: And the farther I get into them, like, the more 29 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: aggressive I will get and being like, that's confusing, we're 30 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: not talking about it. That seems like them something we 31 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: already talked about before, We're not talking about it again, 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: Like it just I start to feel increasingly draconian in 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: my approach to choosing what things to talk about, and 34 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: in this particular set of Unearthed stuff, I feel like 35 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: that was the case from like minute one I was 36 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: trying to go through this, like I had something like 37 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy six links bookmarked, uh. And I 38 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: feel like from the first moment of working on them, 39 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't like this headline, don't want 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: to talk about it. To feel like this is confusing 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: and doesn't make any sense not talking about that either, 42 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: and that's I don't know, it was just it was 43 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: one of the weirder unearthed preparation periods that I can recall. Yeah, 44 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean I had I had aside a subject to 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: be working on in these last couple week that I 46 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: was kind of excited about. It's weird and esoteric. It's 47 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: still happening, but one of the main books I was 48 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: I was hoping to use I got delayed in transit 49 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: and so I couldn't work on it, and I just 50 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: remember being like, but that was my mom. That was anything. 51 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: It's like it was like that, damn, let us all 52 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: over again, like touch a break, Um, but we got 53 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: I will say there was a thing included in this 54 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: that was one of those um items that made me 55 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: um super angry, which is the tall chief statue being 56 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: cut apart and sold for scrap. I mean that's like 57 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: on multiple levels, right, It's like an indigenous person and 58 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: their memorial representation being destroyed. It's art being destroyed, and 59 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that this is not a 60 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: case where a thing got stolen because of private lector 61 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: wanted it. I'm not saying that's good, but it's better 62 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: than cutting it up. Yeah, there's so many layers of anger. 63 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: In an earlier draft of the outline, I had various 64 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: expressions of of anger over that that that I wound 65 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: up deleting because a lot of the other things that 66 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: we were going to talk about we're also anger inducing. 67 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: Something we didn't specifically say about this is I really 68 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: think the person who stole that statue just took the 69 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: first one they found, because the way those five statues 70 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: are arranged, Marjorie Tall Chief was on the end, and 71 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: I really think, like I haven't personally been to that park, 72 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: but the fact that it was just the one on 73 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: the end was probably just the one that somebody came 74 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: to came to And like, part of me wants to 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: believe that nobody would do that unless they were so 76 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: desperate for money that they could not. But even so, 77 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, you stole that statue, when you cut it 78 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: to pieces and you sold it to scrap dealers, that 79 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: takes a lot of effort. Again, It's one of those 80 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: things where I'm like, there was no other way to 81 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: make a book really than all of the time you 82 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: took to do all of these things that were probably 83 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: rather labor intensive, Right, Yeah, I don't know. One of 84 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: the things that's like just sort of the comes with 85 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: the territory of working on this episode these episodes is 86 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 1: that they are just a reflection of what I saw 87 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: in the many many RSS feeds and now also websites 88 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: that I go visit individually to see what people are 89 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: reporting on UM and the collection of stuff that I 90 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: got this time around, I felt like was a lot 91 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: more Eurocentric than some of our more recent other episodes, 92 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: Like they're just I just did not see as much 93 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: reporting on things that were happening in UM in Africa, Asia, 94 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: or South America. A lot of it was from Europe 95 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: and North America, and I UM, I was sort of 96 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: I had to be limited by the news that I 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: had access to through these hundreds of links that I 98 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: had bookmarked or the span of three months. So I 99 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: did want to acknowledge that, even though like I don't 100 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if there is a reasoning behind, like 101 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: why this time around, so much of the reporting seemed 102 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: to be so focused on just these parts of the 103 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: world and not write other parts. Some of it is UM, 104 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: Like I just like things that it seems like we've 105 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: talked about these so many times, like coin hoards, lots 106 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: of coin hoards in places that are not Europe in 107 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: North America. But like then then it's just like I 108 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: included a coin hoard for the sake of having things 109 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: that were not in Europe and North America. Right, I 110 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about salmon vertebrae. Okay, let's do because 111 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: I really think we need a craft project. Yeah, this 112 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: is not stuff that's hard to get, right, Like you 113 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: can buy a whole salmon, so I feel like with 114 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: a little gumption we can make some beats. Yeah. I 115 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: don't know if there's uh anything you would need to 116 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: do to like specifically preserve fish vertebrate, Like, I don't 117 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: know how, I don't know how bony they are. Does 118 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: that make sense? Oh? Do you mean? Like, I'm not 119 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: sure if you're asking how to preserve them so they 120 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: don't degenerate, or how to preserve them so they don't 121 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: bite you what you're wearing them. I know. I was 122 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: more thinking, I don't know if they are more cartilaginous 123 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: than bony, And if they were more cartilaginous, then I 124 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: would think it would be hard to there would be 125 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: something that you would need to do to keep them 126 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: from just deteriorating. But I don't actually I actually knew, 127 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't know enough about fish physiology. Those ones lasted 128 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: a long time. You could always if you really wanted 129 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: to be you know, fancy pants and unicorn and didn't 130 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: want to actually wear fish bones, you could asked them. 131 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: You know, you can make a mold and then cast 132 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: them in like reson or something, and just make them 133 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: as needed. There's so many projects we can make with fishbones. 134 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: I also mentioned that I had thoughts and feelings about 135 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: anonymity when it comes to auctions of large scale items. Yeah, okay. 136 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: On the one hand, I, of course we study history 137 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: all the time. I understand the desire and concern that 138 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: people have around knowing that something of historical importance is 139 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: going to go to a place that will appreciate and 140 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: understand it and preserve it and do But at the 141 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: same time, there's part of me that's like, how someone 142 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: spends their money, if it is not nefarious, is nobody's business, right, 143 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: So like if I had to like report every time 144 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: I bought something I don't know, say, over like three dollars, Like, 145 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: can you imagine how weird that would be if you 146 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I bought another bolt of fabric. I 147 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: promise it's going to a good home. Like I imagine 148 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: if you have millions of dollars that you're throwing at 149 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: purchases of that nature, you were accustomed to the game 150 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: of having to like disclose on occasion. But right, that's 151 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: always a weird thing when people get in an uproar 152 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: about yes, but who bought it, and it's like, well, 153 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: it's an anonymous perch. Yeah. I think I think the 154 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Charlotte Bronze one in particular, had like a lot of 155 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: feelings around it, Like there's the the emotional attachment that 156 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people feel to the Brontes. Not saying 157 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: everybody feels that way, but like sort of like there 158 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: were Jane Austen Fines like people, a lot of people 159 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: I think would have similar feelings. Uh. The fact that 160 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: like that was the last of her tiny books to 161 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: be in a private collection instead of in a museum, 162 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: I think it was a thing that brought up a 163 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: lot of feeling because the articles that I read that 164 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: were about it being sold at auction before it became 165 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: clear who had bought it, had this very dismayed tone, 166 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: and it was very quickly afterward that it was like Oh, 167 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: the friends of the library bought it and they're donating it. 168 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: And there it was like then there was this tone 169 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: of like a sigh of relief, and all the news 170 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: reporting Yeah, the metal that's in a good home now 171 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: like that, that wording just still cracks me up, pretty funny. 172 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting, right. I also think about the 173 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: fact that there are people, and I'm just conjecturing people 174 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: are organizations who could be purchasing things like that to 175 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: some end that is good and has goodwill around it, 176 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: but they don't want to disclose it initially, you know 177 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I'm thinking about a weird thing 178 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: that's not the same at all, But like I'm thinking 179 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: about when Walt Disney set up a shell company to 180 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: buy property in Florida because he didn't want people to 181 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: know Disney was buying it, so it would falsely inflate 182 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: the price. And I imagine similarly, if there is somebody, 183 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: like you know, a Bill Gates of the world who 184 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: decides I'm going to start an art museum and I'm 185 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: gonna start buying up amazing things. The second that news 186 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: got out, it would artificially inflate the price on a 187 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: lot of things, so like, there are things like that 188 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: to consider as well. And I don't know. I just 189 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: I have feelings that I'm like, yeah, but I shouldn't 190 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: have to tell people what you're buying. But then again, 191 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: if that bolt of fabric that I bought was something 192 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: that was public knowledge in an auction, maybe I don't know, 193 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: maybe I should be the be able to um or 194 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: be willing to say no, no, that was mine. I 195 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: don't know. It's just a strange thing. Uh. It's totally 196 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: possible that whoever bought that medal will publicly disclose it 197 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: at some point. Who even knows it's even possible that 198 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: they'll disclose it in the window between when we recorded this, Oh, 199 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: it probably happened right after we finish, or or it 200 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: happened sometime between when I wrote this episode and today 201 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: when we're recording it. Because I sent it over to 202 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: you on Friday before the fourth of July holiday weekend, um, 203 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: and I have not looked at any news headlines related 204 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: to this, because why would I do that. Yeah, I 205 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: don't know. You gotta have time off. I also mentioned 206 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: that I certainly have theories about how a tiny book 207 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: could be in the library's collection and uncataloged. Going back 208 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: to my library cataloging days, where there are times when 209 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: large palettes of things show up um and depending on 210 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: how they're arranged your store, you could potentially have an 211 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: itty bitty thing inside a bigger thing and not even 212 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: know it was there at the time, especially if it's 213 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: like part of a large um a session situation where 214 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: like someone has willed a library their collection, or a 215 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: large donation from someone or any number of you know, 216 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: those large drops that happen in which they do sometimes 217 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: depending on what's going on. I mean, there are a 218 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: million reasons that someone might be a little speedier with 219 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: a session in catalog ng than than would be ideal, 220 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: but it has to happen for whatever reason. They might 221 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: miss something that happens so it's not mysterious, or they 222 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: might just have however, many linear feet of somebody's papers 223 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: that were donated, nobody has gone through all of the papers. 224 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: And I also have that thing when things show up 225 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: missing in a collection and it's like we didn't even 226 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: know it was missing. I have a flashback to a 227 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: particular book I was trying to track down when I 228 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: was working in acquisitions, and I had called a library 229 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: overseas a library in England, and it was one of 230 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: those things where I was trying to check a copy 231 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: that was being offered to us for sale against one 232 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: that like someone else at an an accredited institution would 233 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: recognize and be like, yes, that seems to be the 234 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: same the same run or the same edition. And I 235 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: ran into a problem when I was on the phone 236 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: with a lovely person who said, we believe we have 237 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: that book, but we still haven't recovered everything that was 238 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: covered in rubble in the bombings from World War two. 239 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: So like, there are things that happened like that where 240 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: parts of buildings get damaged in a way that might 241 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: reseal something up away from the libraries circulating collection or 242 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: even their archive collection, and then they kind of know 243 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: it's on the premises, but they can't access it. Those 244 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: happened too, And I always wonder whenever, whenever I'm looking 245 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: at any of these um unearthed that you put together, 246 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: and there's like they didn't know it was gone, and 247 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if they thought it was in 248 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: the rubble, Like, oh yeah, that's always my first thought. 249 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: That just reminded me of how our local library had 250 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: a water intrusion into the local collections room during a 251 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: major storm, and it was like they had to get 252 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: everything out of that room fast. Uh. And I mean 253 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: I was not there. I was not involved in any 254 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: of it. But I can absolutely imagine people just trying 255 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: to get everything out of a room that was flooding 256 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: as fast as possible. And you gotta deal with it 257 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: at some point in this case when everything was closed 258 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: because of COVID. Yes, I had to do that after 259 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: I like the frame water intrusion that flood at a 260 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: library that I worked at. I don't want to talk 261 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: ill about anybody, but we had an archivist that was 262 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: maybe not super motivated to stay on top of things, 263 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: and one of our rooms of archival materials had been 264 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: flooded and it had not been realized that it had 265 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: flooded until their staffer went looking for something in that 266 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: room like a month and a half later and came 267 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: back and said, everything is covered in mold. And so 268 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: we had to like start pulling stuff out of that 269 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: room really quickly. Aside from like the archival materials, which 270 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: is a loss, is dangerous to have a room full 271 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: of mold in a building where the public can come. 272 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: So that was like a whole ordeal, and I imagine 273 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: that it's not unique to my experience. Other libraries have 274 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: had similar things happen. So stuff goes away. I'm sure. 275 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure that at some point in history at some 276 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: libraries some staffer has been in that position and been like, 277 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to try to discern what this was, 278 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and they throw it away and then they don't know 279 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: if they have that book anymore. Right, Those are my 280 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: my thoughts on tiny things items in libraries. Yeah, when 281 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: I was in middle school in high school, I shelved 282 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: books in the school library. It was like I was 283 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: a library helper, and I remember the librarians being like, 284 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: you got to put them back exactly where they go, 285 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: And looking back on it, I'm like I was a 286 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: teenager showing before school. Listen, it happens all the time, 287 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: and even at the college level, like people that are 288 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: doing work study not always. I mean, I'm not shading anybody. 289 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: I was not always as careful as I should have 290 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: been either when I was in college and working in 291 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: those jobs. I mean I tried to be, but I'm 292 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: sure there were days where I was like, I think 293 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: it's here, and I just shoved it in. That happens 294 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: all the time. So libraries are are amazing places where 295 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: it is legitimately difficult to maintain the orderliness of a 296 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: collection of any size. If it's a circulating collection, it 297 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: gets so hard, especially since they tend to be understaffed 298 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: and under fundays. Yes, and I will tell you, I mean, 299 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: this is like a thing that I'm just not good at. 300 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: But like you'll do audits where you're like, okay, we're 301 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: doing a shelf read this week, and you kind of 302 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: go through. At the time when I was doing it 303 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: was like print out, and you would go through your 304 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: print out and like tick off every book and make 305 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: sure it was in order down the shelf. I have 306 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: a hard time with shelf reading, just like that form 307 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: of visual recognition scrambles my brain in a hurry. And 308 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: so I'm sure I'm not the only one who's like, 309 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: I think these were in the right order. I don't 310 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: check it off because I'm really hungry, which will also 311 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: make your cognitive powers for us. Yes, my executive function 312 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: is not. Frankly, I'm not. Yeah. So anyway, that was 313 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: our unearth this time around. One of the more angry, 314 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: frustrated unearthed writings of Maybe Ever, Possibly Ever. It's Friday, 315 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: so whatever is happening on your weekend, I hope it's 316 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: gonna be great. We have a classic episode that will 317 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: come out tomorrow, something brand new on Monday. 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