WEBVTT - 6. The Ramp Rat

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<v Speaker 1>President phone call I mean a nine fifteen pm East

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<v Speaker 1>some of the time in the US and the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>of February twenty fourteen, be as kind to and the Georgescos.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one the Colombian phone call.

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<v Speaker 1>To Flavio on the fourteenth day of My two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen at eight am immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>For two years now, Wan's been recording his phone calls

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<v Speaker 2>with the two unrelated George Escus, Flavio and Flavio's friend

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<v Speaker 2>in Los Angeles, Andy.

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<v Speaker 3>He leaves me the name, a phone number, and a

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<v Speaker 3>great message.

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<v Speaker 2>He even records the voicemails. He leads for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, so call me back. Lizen doesn't man all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Just call me back. It's one thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>I will plays A call to Flavio is twelve forty

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<v Speaker 1>eight a m. Eastern time on the nice of July

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Want's also been keeping a secret. He is Colombian, that

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<v Speaker 2>part's true, but he isn't working for the farc rebel group.

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<v Speaker 2>He's working for the FEDS, and he's trying to build

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<v Speaker 2>a so called narco terrorism case for the Drug Enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>Administration the DEA.

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<v Speaker 1>The local time in eight thirty five pm. Go, I

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<v Speaker 1>about to go to the cafeteria at the Mario Hotel

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<v Speaker 1>to me where the flood and a compani your hairs

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<v Speaker 1>with him. We are right now in for the inn book.

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<v Speaker 2>In some of wants undercover recordings, you can hear his

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<v Speaker 2>Dea colleagues. They're helping Wan create some elaborate theater arms,

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<v Speaker 2>trafficking theater, all designed to ensnare Flavio Georgescu. I'm Trevorarensen

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<v Speaker 2>from Western Sound and iHeart Podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys,

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<v Speaker 2>episode six. The ramp rat Wan sting operation targeting Flavio

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<v Speaker 2>is complex, but this thing isn't unique. It's not some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of one off. It's part of a much larger

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<v Speaker 2>Dea tactic that drug agents adopted during America's post nine

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<v Speaker 2>eleven era. To explain, I need to go on a

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<v Speaker 2>short tangent and tell you about another similar sting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah everything, Yeah, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, no no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>How I'm sitting in a conference room in Lower Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to interview Joshua dre Tell, a criminal defense

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer specializing in terrorism cases. So so topically, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to you about the kind of narco terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>things in general, and also this idea of the Southern

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<v Speaker 2>District being kind of the world Police. And then and

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<v Speaker 2>then also about the Jamal Yusuf case. Sure in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>one of Joshua's clients was a man named Jamal Yusuf, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Jamal Yusseff was a hustler, a successful hustler. The parlayed

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<v Speaker 5>knowledge of certain geographical regions such as the Middle East

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<v Speaker 5>and Latin America into being an effective broker for many

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<v Speaker 5>deals that were mostly hustles.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal, like Flavio, was targeted in a so called narco

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<v Speaker 2>terrorism sting operation. Neither Flavio nor Jamal had anything to

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<v Speaker 2>do with drugs or really narco terrorism. Now, the DEA

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<v Speaker 2>is meant to be investigating cases involving drugs, that's obvious,

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<v Speaker 2>But the DEA built cases around both Jamal and Flavio

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<v Speaker 2>that centered on the idea that they were supporting terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>by attempting to sell weapons to people who earned money

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<v Speaker 2>running drugs. In this episode, I'm going to explain how

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<v Speaker 2>people like Jamal and Flavio, no real connections to terrorists,

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<v Speaker 2>no real connections to drugs, could become in the DEA's

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<v Speaker 2>eyes narco terrorists with the help of course of informants

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<v Speaker 2>like jan Jamal Yusuf was born and raised in Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was a Syrian citizen. His background is shadowy

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<v Speaker 2>and suggest possible connections to Syrian intelligence. As a young man,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal lived and worked in several countries, including Greece, Nigeria, Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>and the United Arab Emirates.

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<v Speaker 5>You could trace his evolution through the geographical areas that

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<v Speaker 5>he basically burned bridges and could go back to.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point, Jamal moved to Norway, where he ran

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<v Speaker 2>several small businesses, including a restaurant, a store selling baby

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<v Speaker 2>clothes and cosmetics, and a kiosk offering cigarettes and candy.

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<v Speaker 5>And he had a good history of disappearing himself and

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<v Speaker 5>then appearing somewhere else in a different identity or in

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<v Speaker 5>a different context. That's how he got out of the

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<v Speaker 5>Middle East in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually, by two thousand and six, Jamal makes it to

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<v Speaker 2>Latin America, where he starts a new hustle. He negotiates

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<v Speaker 2>a deal to borrow two hundred thousand dollars from a

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<v Speaker 2>group of Mexican men connected to organized crime. Jamal said

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<v Speaker 2>he could repay the loan with weapons secretly shipped from Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal has this picture of himself in front of a

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<v Speaker 2>room full of military grade weapons. He shows the photo

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<v Speaker 2>to the Mexicans as proof of the weapons that he

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<v Speaker 2>can deliver. But what the Mexicans don't know is Jamal

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<v Speaker 2>is talking to someone else, the FBI agent stationed at

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<v Speaker 2>the US embassy in Mexico City. It's a complicated web

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<v Speaker 2>of people around the world. To sound familiar, but there's more.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal claims to the FBI agent that the weapons in

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<v Speaker 2>the photo belonged to the US military and that they

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<v Speaker 2>were stolen by American soldiers in Iraq. He says those

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers then sold the weapons to the Hesbala terrorist group

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<v Speaker 2>in Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 5>As any sophisticated hustler would do. Jamal's trying to play

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<v Speaker 5>both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal also tells the FBI agent that he has a

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<v Speaker 2>deal to sell those weapons to some Mexican guys, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's willing to cooperate with the US government.

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<v Speaker 5>He's trying to ingratiate himself to the government so he

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<v Speaker 5>has protection, which is why he operated overseas all the time,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, in his original environment, and when that played out,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, to the point where he couldn't do it anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>He wound up in Latin America, so he's just doing

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<v Speaker 5>the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But the deal with the Mexicans falls through. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>provide any money and no weapons are shipped. In two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and six, Jamal is arrested in Honduras on charges

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<v Speaker 2>of using a fake passport and possessing a handgun, and

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<v Speaker 2>by two thousand and eight, two years into his prison sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal is desperate, so he comes up with a new hustle.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal meets a Colombian who claims to represent get this,

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<v Speaker 2>the FARK rebel group. He shows the guy another photo

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<v Speaker 2>of a room full of guns, and Jamal tells the

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<v Speaker 2>Colombian that he can deliver these weapons. But this photo

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<v Speaker 2>it's not real, at least not real to Jamal. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an image that he found online.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was just a photo of a room full

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<v Speaker 5>of like RPGs and stuff in boxes, you know, crates,

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<v Speaker 5>like typical kind of armament crates, and had a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of stray aks and things like that lying around. It

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<v Speaker 5>was on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal arranges to sell these weapons to the FARC, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Colombians don't know that Jamal's trying to run a scam.

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<v Speaker 2>Once he gets the advanced payment, he plans to bounce

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<v Speaker 2>with no weapons delivered.

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<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, he was being hustled at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>This might not be surprising now, but the Colombians, like

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio's friend Juan, aren't really with the FARC. They're with

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<v Speaker 2>the DEA. And once the DEA has built its case

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<v Speaker 2>against Jamal, armed agents grab him off the street and

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<v Speaker 2>hounder us throw them into an suv and speed toward

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<v Speaker 2>the airport.

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<v Speaker 5>He thinks he's being killed, you know, guys with automatic

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<v Speaker 5>weapons hooded in the back of a suv hurtling down

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<v Speaker 5>the highway and openly gets to the airport and he

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<v Speaker 5>gets thrown on a plane to the US.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it's started.

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<v Speaker 5>Even though we have an extradition treaty with the hunters,

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<v Speaker 5>this is how it's stuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal's taken to Manhattan, where federal prosecutors charge him with

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<v Speaker 2>conspiring to provide material support to terrorists. Jamal's charge was

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<v Speaker 2>supporting FARC, even though in his case, FARC wasn't really FARK.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the DEA, and he's brought to New York to

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<v Speaker 2>face those charges even though the alleged crime didn't happen

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<v Speaker 2>in New York or even in the United States. Under

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<v Speaker 2>federal conspiracy law, a defendant doesn't need to help an

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<v Speaker 2>actual terrorist, he just needs to think he's helping a terrorist.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal's scam attempt caught him in what's known as a

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<v Speaker 2>narco terrorism sting. These things occur exclusively outside the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>using paid informants employed by the DEA, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>person caught is sent to Manhattan to be prosecuted, even

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<v Speaker 2>though there is no connection at all between the crime

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<v Speaker 2>and New York City. The Southern District of New York

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<v Speaker 2>in Manhattan, the most influential and powerful US Attorney's office

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<v Speaker 2>in the nation, has turned narco terrorism stings into its

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<v Speaker 2>own little cottage industry.

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<v Speaker 4>They're imagined an event and ambitious in that way. And

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mean that in a bad way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that in a way of like.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to do these things, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>cultivate a group of FBI and DA people who will

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<v Speaker 5>master this and bring all the cases to us, will

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<v Speaker 5>own the informants, Our network will be hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua, the defense lawyer, says that narco terrorism stings aren't

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<v Speaker 2>really about stopping narco terrorism. They're about numbers, arrests, prosecutions, convictions,

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<v Speaker 2>which to federal law enforcement agents mean paychecks and promotions.

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<v Speaker 5>They cultivated the informants and they cultivated the people overseas

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<v Speaker 5>as a reliable actor in the process.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not wasting your time.

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<v Speaker 5>You are going to get convictions, you're going to get paid,

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<v Speaker 5>and you're going to have work next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal Yusuf pleaded guilty in his case and served ten

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<v Speaker 2>years in prison. His ultimate crime making the mistake of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to scam a much more powerful scammer, the US government.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does this have to do with Flavio? A lot, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll get to that, But first I need to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about the guy who was Flavio in his crosshairs,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy running the governments Wan, the wide bellied, brash Columbia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's after the break. One is a Dea informant, but

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<v Speaker 2>one isn't his real name. That's Alex Diaz. The current

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<v Speaker 2>whereabouts of Wan or Alex are difficult to pin down.

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<v Speaker 2>He's lived at various times in Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Kansas,

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<v Speaker 2>and Colorado. The most recently available public records suggest that

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<v Speaker 2>one lives at least part of the time in a

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<v Speaker 2>condo in Centennial, Colorado, a suburb of Denver. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>a large middle class complex of three story buildings, each

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<v Speaker 2>with wood paneledy accents on the outside. Wan's condo, or

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<v Speaker 2>what I think is Wan's condo, is here seven. His

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<v Speaker 2>unit is on the third floor of the building. The

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<v Speaker 2>doormat reads welcome to the shit Show, which seems fitting

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<v Speaker 2>for Wan. No one's answering, so I leave a note,

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<v Speaker 2>tucking it slightly under the welcome to the shit Show Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>In the note, I write that I'm searching for Wan

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<v Speaker 2>or Alex ds and then I want to discuss his

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<v Speaker 2>work for the DEA. Jan has never contacted me, which

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<v Speaker 2>honestly isn't surprising. Federal drug agents pay him lots of

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<v Speaker 2>money not to talk to journalists like me. Want's a

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<v Speaker 2>seasoned hand for the DEA. His specialty narco terrorism cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Narco terrorism. It sounds scary, right. Take two of the

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<v Speaker 2>world's most villainous evildoers, drug runners or narcos and terrorists,

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<v Speaker 2>and well combine them you get narco terrorists. They must

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<v Speaker 2>be the world's super villains, right, or maybe and hear

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<v Speaker 2>me out, maybe they don't exist, not really, maybe they're

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<v Speaker 2>just inventions. To understand how American law enforcement might have

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<v Speaker 2>conjured up so called narco terrorists, you really have to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to the so called war on drugs.

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<v Speaker 6>America's public enemy Number one in the United States is

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<v Speaker 6>drug abuse. In order to fight and defeat this enemy,

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<v Speaker 6>it is necessary to wage a new, all out offensive.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy one, well in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 2>fight for his political life, President Richard Nixon formally announced

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<v Speaker 2>the War on Drugs. In hindsight, now a half century later,

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<v Speaker 2>the rhetoric was clearly the product of a moral panic,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was being pushed by America's highest elected officials.

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<v Speaker 4>Drugs are menacing our society.

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<v Speaker 7>They're threatening our values and undercutting our institutions.

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<v Speaker 4>They're killing our children.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty six, as part of the Just Say

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<v Speaker 2>No campaign, President Ronald Reagan boasted in a televised address

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<v Speaker 2>from the Oval Office that thirty seven federal agencies were

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<v Speaker 2>engaged in the War on drugs and that funding for

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<v Speaker 2>drug related federal law enforcement had tripled. The drug war

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<v Speaker 2>was a feeding frenzy, an alphabet soup of dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>federal agencies all seeking a spot at the time table,

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<v Speaker 2>and the FBI, at the time, not tasked with investigating

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<v Speaker 2>drug crimes, was left out. The Bureau saw all that

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<v Speaker 2>government money flowing to much smaller agencies, including the Drug

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<v Speaker 2>Enforcement Administration the DEA, and so around the time that

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan gave this national address, the FBI muscled in on

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<v Speaker 2>the drug war, successfully lobbying Congress to give the Bureau

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<v Speaker 2>concurrent jurisdiction with the DEA over drug crimes. Undercover stings,

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<v Speaker 2>in which federal agents pretended to be drug buyers or

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<v Speaker 2>drug sellers, became one of the FBI's primary tools, racking

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<v Speaker 2>up arrests, prosecutions, and convictions. There were so many cases

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<v Speaker 2>and so many prosecutions that the war on drugs became

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<v Speaker 2>self fueling. The moral panic meant more law enforcement funding.

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<v Speaker 2>More law enforcement funding meant more undercover stings and more arrests.

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<v Speaker 2>More stings and more arrests meant more hysteria. A cycle.

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<v Speaker 7>This This is crack cocaine.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty nine, President George H. W. Bush gave

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<v Speaker 2>a national address from the Oval Office in which he

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<v Speaker 2>held up a bag containing crack cocaine.

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<v Speaker 7>Seized a few days ago by drug enforcement agents in

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<v Speaker 7>a park just across the street from the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>America's panic about drugs at the time made President Bush's

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<v Speaker 2>claim seem believable. A drug dealer was selling crackouts at

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<v Speaker 2>the White House, but it was all nothing more than

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<v Speaker 2>drug theater. The Washington Post later reported that DEA agents

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<v Speaker 2>had to manipulate a drug dealer to come to a

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<v Speaker 2>park near the White House. A decade later, America was

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<v Speaker 2>on to a new war.

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<v Speaker 8>We understand that there has been a plane crash on

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<v Speaker 8>the southern tip of Manhattan. You're looking at the World

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<v Speaker 8>Trade Center. We understand that a plane has crashed into

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<v Speaker 8>the World Trade Center.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know anything.

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<v Speaker 2>The War on Terror, billions and billions of dollars poured out,

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<v Speaker 2>and among the biggest beneficiaries was the FBI, which overnight

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<v Speaker 2>transformed into an agency whose number one priority is counter terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>The administration of President George W. Bush then launched something

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<v Speaker 2>of a pr campaign to combine the old war his

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<v Speaker 2>dad fought with the new war he was fighting. Combining

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<v Speaker 2>the War on drugs with the War on Terror.

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<v Speaker 1>I helped murder families in Colombia.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just innocent fun.

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<v Speaker 4>I helped kidnap people's dads.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, some harmless fun.

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<v Speaker 4>I help kids learn how to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a public service announcement that ran during the

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two Super Bowl, just a few months

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<v Speaker 2>after nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 6>I was just having some fun, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I helped kill policemen.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just having fun.

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<v Speaker 7>I helped the bomber get a fake passport.

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<v Speaker 4>All the kids do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I helped kill a judge.

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<v Speaker 4>I helped blow a building.

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<v Speaker 2>My life, my body. The ad ends with large white

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<v Speaker 2>letters on a black screen. Drug money supports terror, it reads.

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<v Speaker 2>The intended message was clear, if you use drugs, dear Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>you support those evil terrorists with the war on terror. Suddenly,

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<v Speaker 2>the DEA found itself in the same position the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>was in in the nineteen eighties, shut out of the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest funding game in town. Here's Joshua dre Tell again,

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<v Speaker 2>the lawyer specializing in terrorism cases.

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<v Speaker 4>They were losing their budgetary control, they were losing their

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<v Speaker 4>career advancement through these kinds of investigations, and they were

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<v Speaker 4>also losing their status essentially within the law enforcement and

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<v Speaker 4>criminal justice community.

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<v Speaker 2>So the DEA took a lesson from the FBI and

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<v Speaker 2>petitioned Congress to give the agency a peace of the

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<v Speaker 2>War on terror.

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<v Speaker 5>So what better way to sort of reaffirm their importance

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<v Speaker 5>by saying, Oh, this is narco terrorism problem that's out there.

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<v Speaker 2>The DEA was then given jurisdiction over narco terrorism, a

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<v Speaker 2>mandate to travel the world and investigate how drug smuggling

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<v Speaker 2>operations were secretly funding terrorist networks and terrorist attacks. The

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<v Speaker 2>gambit worked, the money came flowing into the DEA. In

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, Congress allocated two hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>seven million dollars in the DEA budget for international enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>A decade later, that number had ballooned to four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty seven million dollars. Suddenly, the DEA has nearly

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<v Speaker 2>half a billion dollars every year to search the world

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<v Speaker 2>for narco terrorists, a lot of money to hire informants.

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<v Speaker 2>And among those enlisted to help the DEA in this

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<v Speaker 2>global search is one liason.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you have this thing. I know you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to no one, and I agree, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to go business people that I have

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<v Speaker 1>a man this time that can make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Wan wasn't always a DEA informant, but he's been one

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<v Speaker 2>for a very long time. Want's a former drug runner

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<v Speaker 2>who spent decades working for the DEA, and he's earned

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<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars in the process. And here's what I

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<v Speaker 2>can say as fact about Wan or Alex ds. He's

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<v Speaker 2>an only child from Colombia.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother hardly helped me. My mother is Moke locust Stride. However,

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<v Speaker 1>lockus strike many and many of you.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born in nineteen fifty, making him about sixty

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<v Speaker 2>four years old. When communicating with Flavio, anytime someone brings

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<v Speaker 2>up one's age, he's quick with a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>O you, I'll tell you too.

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<v Speaker 2>One came to the United States from Colombia at age

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen and has strong ties there.

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<v Speaker 1>Am miss Is. It's a good count, very big counter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's big.

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<v Speaker 2>As a young man, Juan began working for American Airlines

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<v Speaker 2>sky Chef, you know, the guys responsible for loading food

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<v Speaker 2>and drinks on the planes. Jan eventually took a position

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<v Speaker 2>with sky Chef in Miami. Miami International is a key

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<v Speaker 2>hub for American airlines and a US gateway to Latin America.

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<v Speaker 2>Miami at the time was basking in the afterglow of

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<v Speaker 2>Miami Vice. The city had a reputation for drugs, fast cars,

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<v Speaker 2>skimpy bikinis, and free flowing money.

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<v Speaker 7>That dude you showed up with tonight works undercover for

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<v Speaker 7>the DEEA pal.

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<v Speaker 2>His name Scott Wheeler. And as for Leon, he's on

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<v Speaker 2>the payroll of a Columbian. I've been too stiff. As

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<v Speaker 2>if you were a character straight out of Miami Vice.

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<v Speaker 2>Juan had a sideline gig at Miami International Airport. He

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<v Speaker 2>used his position with American Airlines to smuggle a daggering

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<v Speaker 2>amount of drugs into the United States three thousand kilos

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<v Speaker 2>of marijuana and four thousand kilos of cocaine. But federal

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<v Speaker 2>drug agents figured out what Wan was up to, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was arrested and hit with federal criminal charges and

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<v Speaker 2>a ten year prison sentence for drug smuggling. So Wan

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<v Speaker 2>cut a deal with the DEA. He agreed to work

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<v Speaker 2>with drug agents as an informant in exchange for knocking

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<v Speaker 2>down his decade long prison sentence to just three years.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the time that Jan was released from prison, federal

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<v Speaker 2>agents in Miami had been noticing that baggage handlers at

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<v Speaker 2>the airport, so called ramp rats were driving around in

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<v Speaker 2>fancy cars and living large, which was odd for guys

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<v Speaker 2>earning about ten dollars an hour. Of course, the DEA

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<v Speaker 2>had a pretty good idea of how these low paid

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<v Speaker 2>workers might afford such a lifestyle, so federal agents launched

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<v Speaker 2>two undercover investigations at Miami intern National Airport called Operation

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<v Speaker 2>sky Chef and Operation ramp Rap, resulting in scores of

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<v Speaker 2>arrest of airport workers who were helping to smuggle in cocaine, heroin,

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<v Speaker 2>and other drugs. The Miami Herald in nineteen ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>published a front page story about the DEA investigations at

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<v Speaker 2>the airport. The newspaper described the DEA's lead informant as

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<v Speaker 2>quote a fat man with an annoying habit of spitting

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<v Speaker 2>an agent's faces as he talked. One is, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>Shorten Stocky, a fat man and spitting an agent's faces

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<v Speaker 2>as he talked. Well, I mean, just listen to one.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. If you cannot do it,

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<v Speaker 1>then let's forget about this. And and you're killing I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care about you. I don't care only about my business.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're gonna work with me with it to be

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<v Speaker 1>serious about working.

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<v Speaker 2>You can almost feel this hitting you in these recordings.

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<v Speaker 2>Wan's been at this informant game for nearly thirty years,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been rewarded handsomely. In addition to getting to

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<v Speaker 2>skip those last seven years of his prison sentence back

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties, Wan has earned nearly five million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>working for the DEA and other federal law enforcement agencies.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to Rome, I have a list of

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<v Speaker 1>hotels that I've built, like American hotels.

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<v Speaker 2>Want's traveled the world with undercover work, funding a lifestyle

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<v Speaker 2>filled with nice hotels.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll find was built as an American hotel because they

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<v Speaker 1>are the biggest rooms, all.

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<v Speaker 2>That exclusive restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>I want the ottobush and women, Oh, beautiful, women, beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm friendly, friendly, It's good, It's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Wan's been delivering federal cases for decades. Experienced operator and

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<v Speaker 2>his current target, Flavio George Escom that's after the break

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<v Speaker 2>One makes big money as a DEA informant in part

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<v Speaker 2>because he's the ideal frontman for a narco terrorism sting,

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect guy to play the part of a fark agent.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Colombian.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe when you saw me, you know it was because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the only Latin people Columbia.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a native Spanish speaker, have a part head on,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has plenty of firsthand experience with cocaine.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to like cocaine leaves fresh to keep your

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<v Speaker 1>your blood pressure right.

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<v Speaker 2>But neither of the de nor the Justice Department maintains

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<v Speaker 2>a publicly accessible list of so called narco terrorism stings.

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<v Speaker 2>So we scoured federal court records and press releases to

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<v Speaker 2>create one of the DEA's narco terrorism cases. Half involved

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<v Speaker 2>in foremants like Juan pretending to be from the FARC.

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<v Speaker 2>The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia or FARC FAARC for

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<v Speaker 2>the acronym in Spanish, is a gorilla group that has

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<v Speaker 2>been in conflict with Columbia central government since nineteen sixty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of farc' supporters are in rural areas, which the

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<v Speaker 2>Colombian government has historically neglected. As a result of the

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<v Speaker 2>FARC's presence in remote areas where coca plants are cultivated

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<v Speaker 2>and cocaine processed, the group's funding has come in part

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<v Speaker 2>from the drug trade, and if you're a federal drug

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<v Speaker 2>agent with funding to travel the world trying to prove

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<v Speaker 2>that drugs fund terrorism. Then well, FARC is perfect for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think when you talk about FARC, you really.

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<v Speaker 9>Kind of have this almost perfect organization from the government's purposes,

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<v Speaker 9>sort of out of central casting.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what Dsie, a law professor at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of South Carolina who has studied narco terrorism stings.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a kind of an association that people will make

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<v Speaker 9>in their minds almost automatically, And of course it leaves

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<v Speaker 9>out the Colombian government's role in the war on drugs,

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<v Speaker 9>which has not been to say it in exceedingly simple terms,

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<v Speaker 9>it hasn't been a clean one. So the FARC is

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<v Speaker 9>a useful dupe in this whole exercise. Not to say

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<v Speaker 9>its hands are clean either, but certainly it's kind of

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<v Speaker 9>almost like heaven sent for the government as a kind

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<v Speaker 9>of a prosecutorial foil.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty eleven, one gets a big lead to offer

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<v Speaker 2>the dea. I'd a Romanian guy living in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Georgescu. Juan met Andy through another confidential informant. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been able to figure out those details. What

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<v Speaker 2>I know is that Wan tells the Dea that this

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<v Speaker 2>Andy guy is involved in smuggling and money laundering. Wan

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<v Speaker 2>suggests to the agents that he spent some time getting

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<v Speaker 2>to know Andy to see where things might lead, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course doing that means money for Wan and so

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<v Speaker 2>testing Andy. Wan says he wants to buy weapons for

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<v Speaker 2>the FARC. Andy suggests his friend Flavio Georgescu, a guy

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<v Speaker 2>over in Europe who can make things happen. Based on

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<v Speaker 2>that and not much more, Wan starts targeting Flavio and

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time Flavio, if you're inclined to believe

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<v Speaker 2>his story, thinks he's collecting information for the CIA, so

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<v Speaker 2>he works to put together the weapons deal.

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<v Speaker 1>For one, you're saying that you have the person. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what's with you that he could take care of at least.

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<v Speaker 4>I hear it right, Yeah, he is the person who

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<v Speaker 4>is not the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's not reforcement. Uh huh, Okay, well I call

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<v Speaker 1>them people. I call them people in Colombia, the fire people. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and tell me that I want to look and see

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<v Speaker 1>if I can program perhaps meeting with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio tells one that if he wants to move forward,

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<v Speaker 2>he has to come to Romania. But one having been

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<v Speaker 2>stood up once already in Rome, and now tired of

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio's constantly changing plans, says he doesn't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Romania. In this call, Flavio is sitting in his

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<v Speaker 2>car in Bucharest. Also in the car is a man

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio has lined up to help negotiate the arms deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It is either you mide me in Rome or no.

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<v Speaker 1>If not, I appreciate you very much, he all due respect.

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<v Speaker 1>You do your business because you don't have time for me,

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<v Speaker 1>because that means you never will get it done right.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I'm going If you come to Rome, you mean me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go with you to Romania. That's the deal. I

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<v Speaker 1>can'not go to Romania every time you change me, or

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<v Speaker 1>to Parish, or to Italy or to the other guy

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<v Speaker 1>who you put me in Liverpool. Because everybody has a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a plan and the one who show up

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to show it up. I just need

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<v Speaker 1>you to come, and once you come, I know you there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you face to face, we like each other,

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<v Speaker 1>you like while talking, and then we go to wherever

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<v Speaker 1>we need to go. That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>That just there might have been hard to hear, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's another person, a guy who says, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>so that's the guy Flavio has recruited to help him

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<v Speaker 2>complete the arms deal. He's willing to meet with one,

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<v Speaker 2>but only in Romania.

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<v Speaker 3>My friend, he said, it is not interesting when I

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<v Speaker 3>talk with them, you find a solution.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I do? Okay, tell your friend that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it wasn't even kind off to get on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone. I'll tell me that. That right, but no

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<v Speaker 1>problem you you know, Kim talk with Shila, talk with

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<v Speaker 1>him well, I mean, well what I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him about. He doesn't understand what I've been here.

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<v Speaker 3>Because if you if you, if you come, if you

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<v Speaker 3>come to Romania, I have the meeting granted one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>percent and talk with the real people. If I come

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<v Speaker 3>to I don't know if I can come or not.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I come, I come like a luster. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know nothing about this business.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you said, this is a business for me

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<v Speaker 3>to know. This is a help for me. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to help you out. I don't need any business. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't need any money. I don't need nothing. Believe me,

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<v Speaker 3>an your kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio is telling one that he doesn't want any money

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<v Speaker 2>that he's putting one in touch with people in order

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<v Speaker 2>to help him, which, to Flavio's credit, does seem consistent

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<v Speaker 2>with his claims of believing that he's working for the CIA.

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<v Speaker 2>In Flavio's mind, accepting any money as part of the

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<v Speaker 2>deal would compromise him. So he's making it clear to

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<v Speaker 2>one that he's not doing this for money. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want one's money.

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<v Speaker 1>Well me to men too. But I can't listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't look. I cannot come to Romania until I meet

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<v Speaker 1>you in Rome. I go from Rome to Romania. If

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<v Speaker 1>I meet you in Rome, he doesn't have to come.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to talk. I don't need to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him, or we don't need to do business. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not because you don't need my business. That's it. In

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<v Speaker 1>all due respect to you, you a glem.

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<v Speaker 3>He cannot come, What can I do?

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that, then then I'm not coming. That's I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot go because I cannot take a change every day

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<v Speaker 1>from you trying to help me, okay, which is a business,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna get help of yourself, okay. So I

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<v Speaker 1>can't know you go to Romania thinking that I want

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<v Speaker 1>to miss someone that said brother don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry you change your mind, let me know you do.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be in Rome. Okay. Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>The call gets disconnected and at this point the arms

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<v Speaker 2>deal appears to be dead. It's all a hot mess,

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<v Speaker 2>but one he does change his mind. He's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>build a case for the DEA after all, and he

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<v Speaker 2>spent months grooming Flavio as a target. He's not ready

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<v Speaker 2>to give up just yet, so he travels to Europe

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<v Speaker 2>again and one finally comes face to face with his target.

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<v Speaker 1>Here I am in your town, and here I am

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<v Speaker 1>to to doc. Okay do you I'm the Mariota Hotel.

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<v Speaker 4>M h okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? True?

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<v Speaker 8>One.

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<v Speaker 2>That's in the next episode. This is up in arms,

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<v Speaker 2>season two of Alphabet Boys. Alphabet Boys is a production

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<v Speaker 2>written and hosted by me, Trevor Aronson. For more information

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