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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario, So this is a really exciting

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Speaker 1: episode for me because I've always been a huge fan

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Speaker 1: my guest today he is quickly becoming one of the

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Speaker 1: reigning kings of horror. The very talented Mason Gooding joins

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Speaker 1: in the upcoming horror film Heart Eyes Now. Hart Eyes

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Speaker 1: is about a masked killer who terrorizes romantic couples on

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, and yes, Mason spends the most romantic night

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Speaker 1: of the year well trying to stay alive. But what

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Speaker 1: I love about this movie it's not just horror. It's

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Speaker 1: a rom com mixed with horror. Yes you hear that correctly.

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Speaker 1: It is so creative, so fresh, and of course it's terrifying.

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Speaker 1: I definitely had a few jump scares watching this movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, you know, and love Mason from

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other fan favorite projects, perhaps most notably

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Speaker 1: we are all excited for the seventh installment of that

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Speaker 1: a cool dude. Yeah, he's definitely an actor to watch

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Speaker 1: across film and television because he's just fantastic. But he

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Speaker 1: also leads his life with so much heart and thoughtfulness.

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Speaker 1: He's what you call a real one. So let's see

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Speaker 1: if today we can get Mason to say something that

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Speaker 1: he has never said before. Mason, Gooding, my man.

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Speaker 2: Howdy, thank you so much for having me. I'm a

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Speaker 2: big fan of the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you in your time. This means a lot

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm very excited to have you. I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're going to become bros very quickly.

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Speaker 2: We better very this one.

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Speaker 1: If you're not cool, I talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it depends on how this goes pross.

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Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: No, I know what time it is.

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Speaker 1: That's all right, Well, welcome, Welcome to New York. Man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for enjoying your time. You're happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so you know, moving here in about a month. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to move and I couldn't be more excited

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Speaker 2: about it. No offense to la. It just feels like

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Speaker 1: New York's the place.

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Speaker 2: New York seems to be the po Well you're here,

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Speaker 2: what else? You're right exactly, that's actually what motivated the

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Speaker 2: you for being inspiration.

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Speaker 1: I am here to help you. Man, bless you. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. I already like you a lot. This is

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Speaker 1: off too good. Sorry, I am so excited for you. You

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Speaker 1: have a lot going on right now. I saw your

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Speaker 1: movie Hard Eyes. It was awesome. I am a big

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: To begin, I guess what I want to know from you,

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Speaker 1: Mason is your character is very smooth. A are you

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Speaker 2: Oh? No, well no, I feel like what's funny about

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Speaker 2: my profession, being an actor, is because we have so

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Speaker 2: many great people creating or crafting the written word. In

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Speaker 2: and you try and pay respects to the nuance and

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Speaker 2: the level of artistry that they apply to the words.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, and because Jay's written so smooth, the biggest

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Speaker 2: application of my art that I can afford it is

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Speaker 2: I like to be a very honest and vulnerable guy.

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Speaker 2: And I notice when you apply a genuine desire to

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Speaker 2: Olivia Holt, who plays Ali and I love dearly, if

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Speaker 2: it's actually effective or if she's just an incredible actress

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Speaker 1: But well, it's very convincing.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: You do a solid job with it.

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Speaker 1: Man, what a concept? What a concept? Man? Well, I

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you love about diving into this genre?

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Speaker 2: I grew up loving horror in all facets, whether it's

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Speaker 1: I grew up watching horror too, and my mom hated

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Speaker 2: You're like, if anything, I'm trying to indoctrinate you into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I imagine horror has so many

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Speaker 1: The choreography is at the chase scenes, like, what is it?

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Speaker 2: I So I'm very prepared to get emotional and vulnerable

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Speaker 2: I think one of the harder things about a horror movie,

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Speaker 1: Well in this movie too. I mean it's a horror

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Speaker 2: Listen, we're starting it now, trying our.

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Speaker 2: We hear a lot of sorry to hear a lot

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Speaker 2: of comparisons between My Bloody Valentine and this, and I

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Speaker 1: Was that part of the attraction to doing this movie

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Speaker 2: Well, the second I heard Olivia wasn't it, I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: And you're chemistry man, with Olivia, it's right on the money.

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Speaker 2: Of course, well, you hope that all artists are as considerate,

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Speaker 1: Do you have something that you like or have to

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Speaker 2: It's nice to meet you. Can I know exactly what

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Speaker 2: No. I like to think you build it over time

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Speaker 2: I was always under the impression that because you're having

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about spoilers? You know, people posting

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Speaker 2: As for this is embarrassing for five, they not only

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Speaker 1: But wait, you chose not to read it or you

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Speaker 2: They never gave it. They never gave it to me

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Speaker 1: I like it. I'm bringing it back, so I'm going

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Speaker 2: It sounds better coming out of your Mouthain.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where it came from, but I'm bringing

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Speaker 2: Someone's got to started. But no, they now they didn't.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, excuse me, yeah, hell yeah.

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Speaker 1: These yeah, these characters. Yeah, good for you man. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm very excited for that journey for you too,

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Speaker 2: And what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I just turned recording.

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Speaker 2: I just turned your eyes literally gave me the butterflies.

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Speaker 1: I don't want this interview to ever and man, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, I'm just turned thirty nine. I grew

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Speaker 2: No, it's no. It's obviously touch and go for a

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Speaker 1: So you knew your place was secured in this one? Not? Well, yeah,

438
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: I guess if like I earned it hard. That's hard.

439
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's hard to answer without you seeing the movie,

440
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: and you know, dependent on how one read the script,

441
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: that answer varies. Which is the most noncommittal way. Respect that,

442
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: I respect part of the anyway.

443
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: I respect that, and I think it's really cool, like

444
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: I said, that you're part of such a big pop

445
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: culture moment and that it kind of, you know, gave

446
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: you a springboard to lead your own horror film now,

447
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: which I believe will become a franchise hopefully.

448
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: You know, I would do for the rest of the.

449
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: I just think it's such a badass film. What I

450
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: like about you is you seemingly seem to have balls

451
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: of steel. And what I mean by that is I

452
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: know that when you were in meetings for the original Scream.

453
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: I don't believe you had a real audition, did you?

454
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 2: Actually you have an audition.

455
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: You had a meeting with the creators and you brought

456
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: up a paper you wrote at N y U right,

457
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: N y U two?

458
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: You did.

459
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did, graduated again a little earlier than you.

460
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 1: There we go, There we go, and you brought up, like, Yo,

461
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: I wrote this paper about it, and you offered for

462
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: the creators to read it.

463
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: Read it. Well, they did ask And I was like,

464
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: I'm not going to pass a an opportunity to engage

465
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: with the franchise beyond like what if I didn't get

466
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: the role? What if I did after audition I didn't

467
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: get it. I was like, I just want this paper

468
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: to mean something because and the paper was about what

469
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 2: it was about Scream and the like your love for

470
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: it sort of the I don't know if I remember

471
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: the prompt, but I do know the thesis was just

472
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: that Scream was maybe more so than any other franchise

473
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: Right for Revival, given the meta narrative and the ability

474
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: to touch on different cultural or social dynamics present.

475
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: In the world.

476
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 2: And when they were discussing in that original meeting, it

477
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: was Chad, Matt, and Tyler, and they were talking about

478
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 2: what they wanted to do with five, it felt resonant

479
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 2: to what I had written, just why I don't just

480
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: go around not just like, hey, can you guys please

481
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: I do that now? But for others I usually love poem. Yeah.

482
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 2: But they we talked for like two hours and at

483
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: the very end was like, you know, I about this thing.

484
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: I gave it to them. That whole thing was because

485
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: I was supposed to. I was supposed to audition before

486
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: like pre COVID, I think for like Ritchie, which is

487
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: jack Quade's character, And for some reason I got lost

488
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: in my email. I never saw it, so I didn't

489
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: so it looked like I was like eh, And they

490
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: were like, all right, well, let's can we meet. Can

491
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: we set up a meeting with the team and see

492
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: if it's a good fit and then maybe read for

493
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 2: this other character Chad, And sure enough we had the

494
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: meeting sent in the paper. I heard nothing for two

495
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: weeks and I was like, damn, it was that bad.

496
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: I remember the paper was pretty good, that's fine, and

497
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: then they put an offer in and the rest was

498
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: thankfully history.

499
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: And so that paper could have sealed the deal for.

500
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: You could could have which is crazy because I don't

501
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 2: remember getting a great grade on it.

502
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't recall, well, that's seach, you're just an understanding,

503
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: clearly clearly.

504
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: Down on horror is a medium. That's their fault. But

505
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: that's awesome.

506
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: I love that story because I think it shows that

507
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: sometimes an unconventional way of going about something can reap

508
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: the greatest rewards.

509
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: That was always there was always something I heard growing up.

510
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: It was like, there's no rules to it. Yes, Like,

511
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: especially in acting, it's like, however you make your mark

512
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: or showcase your ability, whether it's through thoughtful, you know,

513
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: endeavors like letters or essays or whatever. It's like, sometimes

514
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: it's best to just take that chance and showcase society

515
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: of your personality you can't get from like a tape,

516
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: which every director hates me now because I just told

517
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: every actor writing right, write a collegiate MLA format essay,

518
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: send that in.

519
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: But it worked.

520
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 2: It worked, so it proves in the pudding.

521
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, there we go. It's cool. Like

522
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: I said, I think, I think we're in this day

523
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: and age where you can create so much of your

524
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: own work and bring it to life if you really

525
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: believe in it and stay at it, and yeah, push

526
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: you know yourself to do it. And I think that

527
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: there's no one path to anything nowadays. I never would

528
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: have imagined being here today like you just. I think

529
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: some of the best life, you know, Like I think,

530
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: the best things in life sometimes happen when you do

531
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: do something that's maybe a little riskier or unconventional, like

532
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: so many people in your position could have said, Oh,

533
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't bring that up like they're going

534
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: to think I'm crazier. They're not going to want to

535
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: read it. They're going to think I look desperate or.

536
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Hence the balls of steel.

537
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: That's why you have the balls of steel.

538
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: See, that's why I love for reasons. I love social

539
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: media because it has an opportunity to highlight voices and

540
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: talent that might otherwise go overlooked, and to watch a

541
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: younger generation involve themselves in creative means that past generations

542
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: just didn't have the chance to is really inspiring. And obviously,

543
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: you know what that looks like is having different cultural

544
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: touchstones of you know, I love that little black boys

545
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: and black girls can put dances on TikTok and go

546
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: viral and then launch us a career of you know,

547
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: content and artistry in its own right. So I think

548
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: there's plus size to everything. I'm an optimist. If you

549
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: couldn't tell no, I try no.

550
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: I like that about it. I like that you're a

551
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: very positive, forward thinking person, and I imagine that's something

552
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: you've chose at a young age to be and you've

553
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: had to kind of cultivate. How did you cultivate that?

554
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: How did you become this way?

555
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: That's it comes from a lot of trial and error.

556
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: I would say I was a younger kid with a

557
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: lot of image issues and insecurities, especially because I was

558
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: one of the bigger I guess facets of my childhood

559
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: was being overweight. I was like three hundred pounds by

560
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: the time I got to like eighteen nineteen, and I

561
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: spent every day. It's funny because people would always say

562
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: back then, it's like, you'll lose the weight, you can

563
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: slim out, and I was like, you don't understand when

564
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 2: you're that when you're heavier than people are telling you

565
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: is allowed. You don't spend time at least I didn't

566
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: spend time wanting to lose weight. I wanted to literally disappear.

567
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to like fold into myself and not take

568
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: up space. Was like a big thing. That's why paradoxically

569
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: would wear really tight clothes like I would wear skinny

570
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: jeans and tight T shirts because it made me feel

571
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: like I could physically take up less space in a room.

572
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: So that when I decided, through you know, conversations with

573
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: people that I trusted and felt safe with about acting,

574
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 2: I understood that my desire to change my physique or

575
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: take my fitness to in a direction that I felt

576
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: would help me. It was not from a place of

577
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: wanting to like disappear or like lose something a part

578
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: of me, but just to make a change that felt

579
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: like a more authentic version of myself. And you know,

580
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 2: I feel better about it every day. That's why I

581
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: love talking to people about like fitness and diet stuff.

582
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: Not that I'll get into that now because it's boring.

583
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: It's math basically, but I spent so long loathing my

584
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: physical appearance and how I was that instead of letting

585
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: that become part of my personality, a I consider that

586
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: other people might be experiencing the same thing, and how

587
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: I might be able to recontextualize that, and just like

588
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: an opportunity for growth or change. And then you know,

589
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: as a public figure, there's a lot of discourse online

590
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: about like the way one looks or things you say.

591
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: And the longest time, I was always like, I promise

592
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: you there's nothing you could say to me that I

593
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: haven't said to myself. And the strength that came from

594
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: that is like, I'm still here And despite it hurting

595
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: to consider that I ever felt that way about myself.

596
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: I think part of growing up is realizing the version

597
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: of yourself that you were as a child was really

598
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: trying their best and just creating space not only for

599
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: the younger me that really loved oreos and pop douds,

600
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: but for other people that maybe deal with you know,

601
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: the same trials and tribulations to come with you know

602
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: that experience.

603
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: So do you ever feel that younger you, that version

604
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: of you creeping in today that you have to kind

605
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: of quiet down?

606
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: No? I love him for experiencing the hardship that he did,

607
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: and I try to make space for him. Now, that's

608
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: why I act like a goofball, because I felt like

609
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 2: as a kid, I tried to tried to keep myself

610
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: from any social settings because I knew what the perception was.

611
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: I knew how I would kind of be perceived, and

612
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: it felt safer to isolate or be insular with my

613
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: with my own thoughts about myself, which is not necessarily

614
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: the way to go. So as an adult, I do

615
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 2: a lot of work to be patient with myself and

616
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: who I've been and recognize it as just part of

617
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: the journey. And some of the best moments I've had

618
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: have came from reconciling with that. That a lot of

619
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: work I've done seems to be paying off because I

620
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: can be positive and still feel like I mean it,

621
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: be positive about myself or about other people, and have

622
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: it feel genuine, like when I give someone a compliment

623
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: like your beautiful fucking face, I mean that because I'm

624
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: looking at it and perceiving it, because it is that,

625
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: not just trying to get one over on you or

626
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: say something that sounds nice.

627
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: You say what you mean. It's very clear though, hope,

628
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: so you're that kind of a person. You leave with that,

629
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, and I think through going through what you

630
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: went through as a kid and kind of being your

631
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: own worst critic, right, do you think that that, in

632
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: a weird way prepared you for being in the spotlight

633
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: where everybody has an opinion and now you're able to

634
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: not let that affect you unless it does affect you.

635
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: No, if it affected me, it would only be in

636
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: so much as you know, my work is out there

637
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: to be consumed. I'm no idiot. I know that art

638
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: is subjective, and I certainly don't think I'm above or

639
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: exempt from criticism. So I welcome it and accept that

640
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: is just part of the processing, learning and growing. I

641
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: do think I can separate the punitive comments that are

642
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: just meant to like bother me, right, and the constructive ones.

643
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: That's why, Like, you know, there's stuff that a lot

644
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: of stuff that some people seem to perceive as negative.

645
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: I tend to find humor in Like the NEPO baby thing.

646
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: Was over that conversation. I'm so over that conversation. But

647
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: I stop, crap, It's clearly I'm sure you trigged me.

648
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Now I need to That's part of the I'm trigged.

649
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm trigged. Now I'm upset.

650
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: You understand, first of all, for me, that was part

651
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: of my upbringing and part of my psychoses that I

652
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: had to understand as moving into you know, uh, the

653
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: acting and Hollywood landscape. But also case in point, that's

654
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: a term that was kind of contextualized as being pejorative.

655
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: And as time goes on, I feel like people are

656
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: starting to realize that that's present in most industries. Yeah, yeah,

657
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: you know, a lineage of.

658
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: You don't think if my dad was the biggest doctor

659
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: in the world and I wanted to be a doctor,

660
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: he'd say, let me get you a job as a doctor.

661
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: Of course he would like, of course, that's just how

662
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: the world works, you know. And and now you triggered me,

663
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, I need to talk about it. And

664
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: I almost think, and this might be controversial to some,

665
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: but I almost think if you come from a parent

666
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: or a sibling or whoever who's doing the job that

667
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: you're now doing, you have to prove yourself even more interesting.

668
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: I think now it's like, oh, well, let's see if

669
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: that person has it like so and so does, and

670
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: you have to maybe the door opens for you a

671
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: little easier, but once you're in that door, you better

672
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: deliver and improve yourself or you won't have a career,

673
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: no mistake, you won't have a career. So that's why

674
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: I get bothered by that conversation.

675
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: No, rightfully so, because it does take away from the

676
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: hard work that a lot of incredible artists and in

677
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: this case, doctors are capable of doing despite their lineage.

678
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: I also feel like being able to, you know, adopt

679
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: certain ideologies and understandings or even methods from past generations

680
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: is inherent to the job. It's like what makes acting

681
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: so fun as you can build upon it.

682
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you if.

683
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: That source is a family member, you can at least

684
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: have that discourse. I couldn't say I really had that experience,

685
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: but I do love talking to other NEPO babies and

686
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: hearing their experience in being able to call on, you know,

687
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: parental figures and have those discussions that because it is

688
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: like a privilege, or at least like an asset. I

689
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: would say, but the work is, the onus on the

690
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: artists to do that job is always present. So that's

691
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 2: why I'm like, I don't know where the discourse goes

692
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: or how it turns negative as it relates to specific

693
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: artists because they're so good. But I can also understand

694
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: that the dynamic between privilege and all that stuff.

695
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: I just don't like throwing around buzzwords. I think it's

696
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm tired of and i'mbward of it, like everyone move

697
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: on from that conversation, and and it's it's not.

698
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: Good, but that's why you're good at what you do.

699
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: Well. I don't know about that, but I just I

700
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: think there's so much more than meet CI. But I

701
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: think for you, when you look at your career and

702
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: everything you've accomplished in industry that's very difficult to achieve

703
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: success in and now leading your own big movie releasing,

704
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, nationwide on February Sevenebruary seventh, February seventh, you

705
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: must be so proud of everything you've accomplished, right, So

706
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: are you able to look at your career and say, wow,

707
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm doing it like I'm proud of me?

708
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: Or is that a weird thing for you?

709
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to I don't know, because that's a

710
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: binary and so much as like I'm either proud or

711
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm not. And I think the nuance is enjoying, enjoying

712
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 2: the moment as it's sort of happening for me. Took

713
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: a long time to work on. Whereas I don't know

714
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: if I could me personally, I don't know if I

715
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 2: could look at my career and say, wow, you're really

716
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: doing the thing without looking ahead for like, well, what

717
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: are we going to do next? As I just know

718
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: I invite that juxtaposition between what I've done and what

719
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: I want to do. So a huge aspect in getting

720
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: older and in being a performer is taking it a

721
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: job at a time and really affording all my excitement

722
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: and my belief in myself and my pride into you know,

723
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: making this one as you know, meaningful as I can.

724
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: The pride i'd say I feel is the pride I

725
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: say I feel in work done is whether or not

726
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: my mom has watched it. It's like a big one,

727
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: and you said I was my bit biggest critic. She

728
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: will let me know if she likes or does not

729
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: like a project, and that's why that's why I'm like,

730
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: I just want her to I just want her to.

731
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: Like one man, that's going to be the best day.

732
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: Of my life.

733
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: One of these days she's also my biggest fan. She

734
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: bought she just bought a hard Eyed T shirt. I like,

735
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: look what I found on the internet, and I was like, oh,

736
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 2: I hope you like the movie.

737
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: That's so cute.

738
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: She will, I know, she will.

739
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: I love to hear that. I love to hear. Well, Mason,

740
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: we are at that point in the show Yeah, where

741
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I ask every guest that comes on the same question,

742
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: which is based off the title of the show. So

743
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, is there something that you can think of

744
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: today that you've never said before that you want to say?

745
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: That's right. I am a way to say this doesn't

746
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: feel as if I'm applying a level of self importance.

747
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: So in college, I was studying psychology. I was there

748
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: for writing in psychology, and there was a class. You

749
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: might hate this given the conversation we just had, but

750
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: it's my story, so that's fine. There was a class

751
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: on adolescent psychology where we were discussing the dynamic that

752
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: children as in adolescence between the age of birth to

753
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: four or five six maybe so on the relationship they

754
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: have with their parents and how the understanding of mom

755
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: and dad is more ethereal at that point. It's like

756
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: the mother as in one who gives life and all

757
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: those things, father, those concepts, and how you realize over

758
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: time naturally that they're just people and that mom is

759
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: mom and dad is dad, and vice versa and whatnot.

760
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: And the separation, if done and properly, can lead to

761
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: a lot of different psychoses and whether it's trauma or

762
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 2: experiences later down the road. And as the professor was

763
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: talking about a relationship between an understanding of our parents

764
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: as not only people, but as you know, ethereal beings,

765
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 2: I raised my hand and I was like, Hey, what

766
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: what happens if the subject has a parent who is

767
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 2: a pub figure and the relationship you have to them

768
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: is mostly parasocial, regardless of the amount of personal time

769
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: or physical time that you spend with them. She goes,

770
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: I think that's more of a you thing, and that's fair.

771
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: But it it allowed me to consider not just in

772
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: the context of my family as it exists now, it's

773
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: it put me in a place at this time I

774
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: wasn't acting. Now I am now I have a whether

775
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: it's a level of you know, experience in the industry.

776
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: I realize that my relationship to my children and even

777
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: to the people that consume my content and what it

778
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: means to be a you know, public figure, so to speak,

779
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 2: and how the relationship between you know, who I am

780
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: personally and how I'm perceived is inherence different and me

781
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: it as time goes on, I reconcile with that every day.

782
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: A lot of times I feel like I know certain actors,

783
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: even my father, better as personas rather than as people.

784
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: And the work that has to be done to kind

785
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 2: of mitigate that and actually create human relationships. That's probably

786
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: where I value them so deeply. But yeah, it terrifies me,

787
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: but I feel like it makes me this is the

788
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: optimist coming out. It makes me grateful for icons like

789
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: the late Chadwick Boseman who put in such a prolific

790
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: amount of work to be showcased as understanding the cultural

791
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: impact that not only he as an actor had In

792
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: Jackie Robinson forty two, I think, and specifically for me

793
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: at least Black Panther and the amount of work he

794
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: would do in different Black communities and for you black youth.

795
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: In recognizing his position as a inspiration and as a

796
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: Zeitgeist defining persona, he put in all this work to

797
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: you know, uplift and be that figurehead beyond any personal

798
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: dynamic that he had with that same Chadwick persona, and

799
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: that to me was not only inspiring, but it's kind

800
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: of the ethos that I take into my work, is

801
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: recognizing the separation between who I am and who I

802
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: will be parasocially and just trying to be the best

803
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: version of myself that I can be. Hence the positivity.

804
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

805
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never told anyone that, nor did I think

806
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: about that ahead of time. That one somewhere crazy, But

807
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: on the bright side, I stuck true to my word.

808
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: I've never said that before or so hopefully it landed

809
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: with a modicum.

810
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Of I'm pretty impressed you are. You are a very

811
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: impressive person.

812
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, Now this is where I can't take

813
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: com Yeah.

814
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean that that was an amazing answer, and I

815
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: think it gives a really cool insight into who you

816
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: are as a human beyond the actor, right, because so

817
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: many times people conflate the actor with who that person

818
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: really is and the roles they couldn't be farther from

819
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: who you are usually. I mean, there's similarities, but you know,

820
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: you are your own person, and I think that's really

821
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: cool insight into you.

822
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that that relationship goes both ways, as

823
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: someone like a Bozeman can recognize the onus to be

824
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: that figurehead in the most positive and all encompassing way

825
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: as well as the people that consume it and can

826
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: you know, support that work by going and seeing it

827
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: and engaging with it. Kids dress up as black Panther

828
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: like you see that. You see the discourse happen, and

829
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: that is that is why I love my profession. That's

830
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: why I do it. And obviously that's a high bar

831
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: that I may never achieve. But on the bright side,

832
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: I can try.

833
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: Well, something tells me you're gonna have a very long time.

834
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: You're gonna keep doing it, keep killing it. I could

835
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: talk to you for four more hours. I mean, what

836
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: a treat this has been, Seriously, Like, I just I

837
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: think you're awesome as a person and as an artist,

838
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: and I think you have a lot of exciting things coming.

839
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: I hope, So I do I do all the way away?

840
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: I have one bone to pick before I let you go. Yeah,

841
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: or maybe it's a question because I genuinely need to

842
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: know why in the world.

843
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you.

844
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: X your eyes out on all of your Instagram posts?

845
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Like why am I looking at X's and not your eyes?

846
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: I see your eyes right now. They're great eyes, sweet,

847
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: very nice eyes. Why do you ex them all out?

848
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: There's a longer answer, which I don't know if you

849
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: have time for, but most of it's about ownership and

850
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: the understanding that like, if I'm taking photos of someone

851
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: while I'm out, I don't want to implicate that I

852
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: feel as if I have ownership over their likeness as

853
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: it relates to my eyes and axing them out. The

854
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: boring answer is just that I get bored of looking

855
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: at my face and I want to.

856
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: Do But you do know there's a lot of people

857
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: that want to look at.

858
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: Your face and love and you're ripping that away from

859
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: So I just want you to think, next time you're

860
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: doing an edit on a picture, what would Tommy say?

861
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: What would sometimes they do? Just one eye?

862
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: I know that I know that too. That's even more

863
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: annoying because it's like all balance and I'm so type A.

864
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's either both or none. So all I'm saying,

865
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: if you get nothing else from this conversation, the world

866
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: wants to see your eyes. So maybe you can just

867
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: put aside that you don't want to see yourself. That's

868
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: that other people do. I'm gonna let you simmer on it,

869
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: and change doesn't happen overnight. No, no, don't worry. If

870
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: you put up a photo with your eyes, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to I will scream in a pillow. You know. Let's say,

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Speaker 1: by end of year, we'll see your eyes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see hard eyes. We will see hard eyes

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Speaker 2: on February seventh, Hard eyes everywhere. Movies are available, everywhere,

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Speaker 2: movies are availed.

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Speaker 1: Go see it. It's fantastic, Mason, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you such a pleasure. Of course you can, of

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Speaker 1: course you can. That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Than Oh, you're great, great, great.

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Speaker 1: I've never said this before. Is hosted by Me Tommy Dedario.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Publisi at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've

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