Speaker 1: What's up, y'all. This is to Maka Mallory and I
Speaker 1: might saw and this is Street Politicians. Street Politicians makes
Speaker 1: me super excited. It's been a long time coming that
Speaker 1: we've been working on this podcast. Um, you know. I know,
Speaker 1: for me, there's a lot of information out in the world,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff coming at us, a lot of
Speaker 1: ways to get information, a lot of ways to give
Speaker 1: your opinion on that information. But I find often that
Speaker 1: people don't necessarily understand everything that they're consuming. And I
Speaker 1: think this space gives us an opportunity to really deconstruct
Speaker 1: and you know, dissect some of the things that we
Speaker 1: see happening in pop culture and hip hop culture, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and entertainment and business. Of course we're talking
Speaker 1: about money, right, economic empowerment, community engagement, criminal justice. There's
Speaker 1: so much happen in politics, and we just want to
Speaker 1: be able to break get down. And I think Street
Speaker 1: Politicians in itself embodies exactly what we mean. We do
Speaker 1: the work on behalf of our people. You have to
Speaker 1: be folks alike. I'm not political. If you live every
Speaker 1: day in this society, you're political. You live in a
Speaker 1: political life. Um. But we want to be able to
Speaker 1: bring information to you in the street, you know. I
Speaker 1: think us being actually being in the movement, on the
Speaker 1: front lines of this movement. We see things from a
Speaker 1: different perspective, and us definitely having connections to the streets,
Speaker 1: to the hip hop community, to pop culture, and being
Speaker 1: able to infuse all of those things that once gives
Speaker 1: us a different, a unique point of view that's not
Speaker 1: really out there right now. A lot of you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of information out there, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know how to get it on, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't know how to um digest it or they
Speaker 1: don't know how to break it down. I think that
Speaker 1: we come from an unique perspective because we know how
Speaker 1: to throw on some constructions and then we go on
Speaker 1: to the boardrooms and then we're on the front lines
Speaker 1: of the movement, and we can give you all of
Speaker 1: these perspectives at the same time and pretty much bridge
Speaker 1: that gap between the culture and and and explain why
Speaker 1: politics are importing for our communities because a lot of
Speaker 1: people in our communities don't believe that they should be
Speaker 1: involved in policies. But the podcast is not just about politics.
Speaker 1: We want it. We're gonna have fun because it's you know,
Speaker 1: even your fun, it's political and even your finest And
Speaker 1: that brings me to something I was just thinking about.
Speaker 1: It happened a few weeks ago in the news. You know,
Speaker 1: it was about when the NBA players. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you yeah, I sure didn't. You know, you always
Speaker 1: have to help us understand. So what happened because Lebron
Speaker 1: something was going on with Lebron. It was me Lebron
Speaker 1: was the person who was acting to speaking on the happen,
Speaker 1: but it was the China had did some expedition with
Speaker 1: the NBA players went over to China, and it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be about press day. It was supposed to
Speaker 1: be a lot of things because there was some type
Speaker 1: of merger with the NBA and Channel and then you
Speaker 1: know the protests that were happening, and one of attention
Speaker 1: to that and one of them. Let me get this
Speaker 1: exactly right, because it was one of the executives in
Speaker 1: the NBA. When you look a look at what he said,
Speaker 1: who was it. Daryl Maury is his name after his
Speaker 1: tweets supporting Hong Kong's protesters. The Houston Rockets general manager
Speaker 1: was the subject of a pro China campaign a selection
Speaker 1: of tweets at Daryl Maury, many of which contains in
Speaker 1: M S l okay, y'all properly know what that is
Speaker 1: and I don't, which loosely translates to your mother is dead.
Speaker 1: So then what the Lebron said. So what happened was
Speaker 1: at that point Lebron Lebron statement, the executive wasn't knowledgeable
Speaker 1: about what was doing, you know, and what they were saying.
Speaker 1: What that Lebron is one of them I was spoken at.
Speaker 1: He utilizes this platform to speak again all kinds of injustice.
Speaker 1: I mean even we were able to get Lebron's where
Speaker 1: the I can't breath t shirts for Justice Leagues protests
Speaker 1: during the Eric Garner protests. So yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: been really really supportive of the movement. He's been supportively
Speaker 1: moving and people felt that in some ways the pocket
Speaker 1: because you can't say that it's okay for you to
Speaker 1: be vocal about issues that affects you that you are
Speaker 1: passionate about and then go against someone who has different
Speaker 1: views on another subject to be passionate about those because
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel that you know or because you know
Speaker 1: the result of it ended up in something that probably
Speaker 1: negatively affects you. So I got I understood both front
Speaker 1: of you and not been Then from Lebron when he
Speaker 1: talked about it again, he said he was insane, that
Speaker 1: he was wrong or that he was wasn't informed about
Speaker 1: the issues that were going on China, but he was
Speaker 1: saying that he wasn't informed about what they had to feel,
Speaker 1: why they were He didn't think he made sense for
Speaker 1: him to speople about that while they were on the story,
Speaker 1: and they will have to deal with the negative effects.
Speaker 1: So in that that regarded, that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: tell you. Like this, it's politics and everything. These are
Speaker 1: guys that wanted were to play basket. So he's saying
Speaker 1: you should have waited to say that until we came exactly.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to tell you that's what when people
Speaker 1: is a lot of a lot of those athletes, with
Speaker 1: the exception of the Guard are not really even into politics.
Speaker 1: They don't. But but the problem with that where I
Speaker 1: take issue, And of course I didn't read it, and
Speaker 1: I don't know all the details, but I do know
Speaker 1: that every time it's a good time to save what's right.
Speaker 1: Number one. And then the second thing is that if
Speaker 1: the gentleman had waited, the owner had waited until they
Speaker 1: came back, it wouldn't have been a news story. Purpose
Speaker 1: of him saying it while they were going was so
Speaker 1: that he could they could get that he could get
Speaker 1: the type of attention. And I'm sure that the protests
Speaker 1: is the people on the street they appreciated that he
Speaker 1: spoke up on their behalf. So you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: to catch twenty two situations, but also which we deal
Speaker 1: with all the time in our movement spaces. It's like,
Speaker 1: before you actually say something that impacts my life, we
Speaker 1: may need to have a conversation about how this is
Speaker 1: going to play out. And we argue about this all
Speaker 1: the time. And that's but that's that's where you know,
Speaker 1: that's where it is. What it? What is it that
Speaker 1: you're trying to do? Are we are we champion? Are
Speaker 1: we promoting that people should be outspoken about issues that
Speaker 1: affect them when they feel that they need to talk
Speaker 1: about it, or we're saying that there has to be
Speaker 1: a sort of time as you talk about it, or
Speaker 1: do I have to say in a way that makes
Speaker 1: people comfortable, Because I don't think change comes from comfortable.
Speaker 1: I don't think me saying something that that's politically correct,
Speaker 1: that makes you feel comfortable, it's really going to do anything.
Speaker 1: But it's all it's about balance, and it's also understanding
Speaker 1: who's the ultimate enemy? Right? And then how are people
Speaker 1: who are caught up in the mixt of it going
Speaker 1: to feel about what it is that you're saying when
Speaker 1: in fact they want to be on your side, they
Speaker 1: want to be with you, And so if you're making
Speaker 1: comments that ultimately marginalize them or make them feel a
Speaker 1: certain type of way, you have to be thoughtful, like
Speaker 1: we all have to be thoughtful about how we enter, um,
Speaker 1: you know, certain conversations, or you know how what our
Speaker 1: our discourse is like around different people's issues. We need
Speaker 1: time as leaders to be able to process what it
Speaker 1: is that we're saying, and again, who are all the
Speaker 1: beneficiaries and or people who will be hurt by whatever
Speaker 1: we're saying that. I work for a very powerful civil
Speaker 1: rights leader for a long time, and one of the
Speaker 1: things that I know is that before making decisions, even
Speaker 1: if his gut instinct led him back to his original
Speaker 1: thought his kitchen cabinet, when he would go to come
Speaker 1: to some of us and throw around different ideas about
Speaker 1: a topic that he wanted to address, only helped to
Speaker 1: develop his point. It only helped him to be able
Speaker 1: to see the perspective of everybody that's in the room.
Speaker 1: So if he's gonna talk about l g B t
Speaker 1: Q issues, you know, you before you speak on it,
Speaker 1: you might need to educate yourself from someone who is
Speaker 1: actually in that community. So I think that's that's that's
Speaker 1: that's no brainer. I think that you speak about people
Speaker 1: or or issues that don't directly pertain to yourself, that
Speaker 1: you're not directly impacted by or or directly member of
Speaker 1: the community that you're speaking of, and you definitely should
Speaker 1: have out. But if there are issues, like we have
Speaker 1: a lot of time when they're issues that directly affect men,
Speaker 1: directly affect I was getting ready, I was getting ready.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you started it so I could talk
Speaker 1: about the male ego. And the dangerous bottom line is
Speaker 1: if there are issues and I believe that you believe
Speaker 1: I'm almost I am a man in every every essence
Speaker 1: of regard of the world. So when they are issues
Speaker 1: that you know regard man and and you know, then
Speaker 1: I think that I should be able to speak freely
Speaker 1: on a man's behalf. Yeah, I'm not saying that you shouldn't,
Speaker 1: but I do think that you have to also decide.
Speaker 1: I mean, we all when we use social media, which
Speaker 1: is a place that attracts a lot of negativity, trolling,
Speaker 1: fake accounts and all of that, we have to decide
Speaker 1: what's the best for them to get our message acros
Speaker 1: us because if we take something to social media that
Speaker 1: in our hearts, minds, and you know, and our soul,
Speaker 1: we think we're saying the right thing. We're talking into
Speaker 1: a particular audience, but yet it's in the context of
Speaker 1: things that have been that folks have been being dragged about,
Speaker 1: and they actually their careers and other things have been
Speaker 1: impacted by these things. You have to actually be thoughtful, careful,
Speaker 1: and the way in which you say so, I mean,
Speaker 1: we we we get into this all the time. It's like,
Speaker 1: how how you approach the Internet is very very very serious,
Speaker 1: and sometimes the best thing to do is not to
Speaker 1: approach it at all, because you know, the thing I
Speaker 1: told Tariq, my son, is that everything you're thinking does
Speaker 1: not need to go online. And that's something that it
Speaker 1: took me a while to figure out. Sometimes I'll be
Speaker 1: ready to go on people's comments and say all types
Speaker 1: of things. And then one day I noticed that media
Speaker 1: outlets we're picking up what I said in folks comments,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, they're actually watching me, so
Speaker 1: I need to be careful. You know. That brings me
Speaker 1: to a lot of people said that I'm too hard,
Speaker 1: your obsessed, you keep talking about Kanye. We just need
Speaker 1: to leave it alone. And I just and I think
Speaker 1: that people don't understand the moment that we don't understand that.
Speaker 1: You know that the media is very probably like the
Speaker 1: media controls like it controls our minds and controls how
Speaker 1: we walk and we talk, how we address what we think.
Speaker 1: And if somebody is constantly using platforms for millions of
Speaker 1: people following them two two give you rhetoric that is
Speaker 1: detrimental to our society constantly, Well they don't think that's
Speaker 1: the problem. They don't think it's detrimental his his rhetoric
Speaker 1: in some ways is correct, just like Canda's own. Some
Speaker 1: of the things that Kanye is saying. It's important, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta stop voting Democrat all the way down the
Speaker 1: ballot because that's not working for us. Now he's talking
Speaker 1: about industry and bringing I no, no, no, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying he's talking about bringing factory is in you know,
Speaker 1: sort of agriculture, if you will, an idea about that
Speaker 1: to the US. All those things are important. What you're
Speaker 1: saying is that it's embedded in language or in a
Speaker 1: in a particular idea that is problematic for our community.
Speaker 1: And in fact, what he doesn't even know, maybe he
Speaker 1: does know, is that it's it's really being um it
Speaker 1: is being shared with us through the lens of white supremacy,
Speaker 1: which is even more than But that's that is My
Speaker 1: whole point is that he doesn't because he was very
Speaker 1: aware he understood that Bush didn't like black people. If
Speaker 1: he was very aware, he's always been adamant about racism
Speaker 1: in his country. Prior to the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: he's been very vocal and understanding the things that's going
Speaker 1: on this culture. When he went into Sway and he
Speaker 1: was talking about you don't have the answers, where his
Speaker 1: whole position was that the white supremacy in itself does
Speaker 1: not allow him to reach past for a certain seal
Speaker 1: that he can't be me, he can't be Steve Jobs
Speaker 1: because they won't allow and that he's created all of
Speaker 1: these things. He's the mind behind all these things. But
Speaker 1: there are certain things elements within this country will not
Speaker 1: allow him to get past roadblocks. He's very aware of that.
Speaker 1: So what he's utilized now, he said, I can't beat
Speaker 1: him swarming to join so for for his financial game,
Speaker 1: he decided to sacrifice our approach. He decided to tell
Speaker 1: us lies about the Republican Party was the one who
Speaker 1: did It's not not telling the truth about this is
Speaker 1: not the same Republican Party that he speaks up that
Speaker 1: the Abraham Lincoln was not the person who we slay,
Speaker 1: that the Republican Party then was the anti slavery party
Speaker 1: that changed to the Democratic Those are not conversation that
Speaker 1: he's having. He's saying, don't vote for Democrats what they've
Speaker 1: been doing for the Republicans. I can love Trump. I
Speaker 1: don't care these races. I've never made a decision based
Speaker 1: on just being black. When you make these when you
Speaker 1: start making these statements and you start saying that in
Speaker 1: front of black people follow you, who believe that you
Speaker 1: would for our liberation and for our poacher, and then
Speaker 1: you start to intentionally lie to that because you want
Speaker 1: to benefit. I cannot just sit by and say, can's
Speaker 1: gonna let let him say this some millions of people
Speaker 1: every day, and everybody else is just gonna go along.
Speaker 1: He decided we're gonna do Sunday service today because now
Speaker 1: I know y'all into the church. I know I can
Speaker 1: sell the church whenever when y'all said, I'm not invited
Speaker 1: to the picnic no more, I can do Sunday service
Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna come because they're gonna say Ranie trying
Speaker 1: to get Guardians life. And now I can sell an
Speaker 1: album called Jesus King. But last week it was I'm
Speaker 1: a sick funker like my dick sell. You know. So
Speaker 1: when I understand, when I understand the reality of that,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be slad. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say you know what, I'm just gonna fall back
Speaker 1: and let somebody else because nobody else is gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it. I'm not gonna did not talk. But okay,
Speaker 1: if people have been talking about it, people have they
Speaker 1: shrug it off. Yeah no. But but but you are
Speaker 1: a hundred percent right about one thing that that the
Speaker 1: system that is uplifting. Kanye knows that black people love
Speaker 1: spiritual music, you know, church, God, Jesus, the whole that narrative,
Speaker 1: um that we we follow. And certainly I believe in
Speaker 1: love and am a a a devout follower of Jesus Christ. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's so I agree with him in that perspective
Speaker 1: that we need Jesus in our lives. The problem is,
Speaker 1: I don't think we're following the same god. There's something
Speaker 1: wrong with the God that he has come into contact with,
Speaker 1: because it has not well exactly, and so he would
Speaker 1: see that, right, And and that's two different gods. Because
Speaker 1: the ones that our people were singing about in the
Speaker 1: field was a liberating god. It was a god that
Speaker 1: understood that at times we might have to actually strike
Speaker 1: our master down in order to get free. The God
Speaker 1: that Kanye is singing about is the god of oppression. Um.
Speaker 1: Is the god that says that the massive well, it's
Speaker 1: the god a cat feelings. As long as you have money,
Speaker 1: we don't even have to worry about the rest of
Speaker 1: the things. We don't have to worry about the people
Speaker 1: that at the border. We don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: the racism that that our presidents evoking in within this country.
Speaker 1: The division we don't got to worry about that. He's
Speaker 1: told us how to get some money, so let's figure
Speaker 1: out how to get money and everything else. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that that's something that my soul personally, it can't
Speaker 1: nobody else is gonna talk. Everybody's gonna laugh about. But
Speaker 1: we also have to remember, uh, you know, how sick
Speaker 1: our people are. There are a lot of sick people
Speaker 1: in our communities that really don't understand nuance. They really
Speaker 1: don't have not done the research. And that's not our fault.
Speaker 1: Like we weren't taught, and we were in many ways
Speaker 1: blocked from the knowledge that we need in order to
Speaker 1: understand all of what's happening around us, right, and so
Speaker 1: we're sick people that are are are We We have
Speaker 1: a quest for knowledge, but it has not been provided
Speaker 1: in the ways in which is should. So if you
Speaker 1: don't understand your history, then you are are. It's really
Speaker 1: impossible for you to be able to understand all the
Speaker 1: elements of what's happening around you, especially to your point,
Speaker 1: the media. Every minute it's coming with something new and
Speaker 1: you're trying to be follow But you do know, Jesus walks,
Speaker 1: you know that you know all the good gospel songs,
Speaker 1: you know those, and so if it's coming through a
Speaker 1: musical genius, then it sounds right, especially when we want
Speaker 1: to say I'm not political, so it's and and this
Speaker 1: is very political what Kanye is doing. It's really dangerous.
Speaker 1: But I think in terms of a different perspective around
Speaker 1: what you're saying, that you have to be able to
Speaker 1: challenge Kanye because he is directly and he is a
Speaker 1: direct influence UM for our people. That is very very damaging.
Speaker 1: What he's doing right now is very damaging. It is.
Speaker 1: But listen, but this might change the topic a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I think it's important. This is my thought process
Speaker 1: on what you see in terms of people saying too
Speaker 1: hard on Kanye or you know, why are you so obsessed?
Speaker 1: I think the issue is um and we talked about
Speaker 1: this all the time sometimes. I think for you because
Speaker 1: of the fact that there's so much ship bullshit that's
Speaker 1: going on in our society where you kind of feel
Speaker 1: like you have to be a voice to try to
Speaker 1: to check different things that's happening so that your followers
Speaker 1: and other people will have and and and a different
Speaker 1: voice that shows them. So either either will say it's
Speaker 1: the right way or a different way that's probably better
Speaker 1: for our communities. You find yourself in that all the
Speaker 1: time because of the fact that you are constantly having
Speaker 1: to engage in these conversations. It seems to some folks
Speaker 1: and sometimes to me as well, that you have become
Speaker 1: critical all the time of too many different people. And
Speaker 1: I think what you have to do, which we've we've
Speaker 1: been discussing, is pick your battles. Sometimes we should go
Speaker 1: out and challenge different things, but sometimes we might have
Speaker 1: to actually miss some ship right because people, for me,
Speaker 1: they say, Okay, you're angry, because I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: even every speech that I used to make, I was
Speaker 1: yelling and screaming at the world, and eventually I had
Speaker 1: to figure out that sometimes that tone was not necessary
Speaker 1: nor was it winning our people over. So I just think,
Speaker 1: especially if you don't I know that because I don't
Speaker 1: agree what you said that that tune was winning our people,
Speaker 1: I believe that that yelling that you quote quote unquote
Speaker 1: yelling is what Galvin naze millions of people and me
Speaker 1: people feel like they had somebody that spoke on behalf
Speaker 1: of them. I think the people that pussy put around
Speaker 1: and they say the politically correct say I don't want
Speaker 1: to yell because I don't want to see unruly and
Speaker 1: I don't want to come for us as the angry
Speaker 1: black person. They don't have that back. I think the
Speaker 1: fact that I'm willing to fight any advertary that votes
Speaker 1: against my moral tumping that my people follow me for
Speaker 1: that reason. But there's but balance is key. But I
Speaker 1: don't balance is balances balances that there should not. I
Speaker 1: don't believe that you should participate in four or five
Speaker 1: days of dialogue back and forth about an issue with
Speaker 1: whomever it is, or every time they pop up in
Speaker 1: the news there's a response, and then on top of
Speaker 1: that in the comments, going back and forth arguing where
Speaker 1: every troll that comes along. I think that's I don't
Speaker 1: want to but I think that with my connix, he
Speaker 1: who controls the news controlled the people. So if they
Speaker 1: continue to put out you that is lying every day,
Speaker 1: is lying, is directly lying when you start trying damaging.
Speaker 1: But the line is there, could you not tell the
Speaker 1: truth about somebody? Is able to create a narrative and
Speaker 1: pointing into your brain it becomes factual, but it's not
Speaker 1: actually factually. Then that's a problem. So I'm not going
Speaker 1: to lie. So I'm going to be the person that, yeah,
Speaker 1: well no, you gotta think about that. We're not going
Speaker 1: to just let's just go like IM sorry, I'll be
Speaker 1: back to discuss this again anyway. So I guess that
Speaker 1: brings us to the last topic, which is really important
Speaker 1: to me. It's really near and dear to me. And
Speaker 1: I've been struggling so much with this Harriet film, and
Speaker 1: not just the film, but just the moment that we're
Speaker 1: in and how Harriet the film seems to be sitting
Speaker 1: in the middle of the complicated, sort of complex nature
Speaker 1: of just like the pushing pull of and um, I
Speaker 1: feel like we saw the film until Freedom. Our organization,
Speaker 1: UH did a screening, not a screening, but we hosted
Speaker 1: folks going to Magic Johnson Theater and I thought it
Speaker 1: was incredible. I thought it was incredible. Now their films there.
Speaker 1: A friend of ours who went said that it was
Speaker 1: the acting was for perhaps if you're a filmmaker you
Speaker 1: may see different things, but in terms of need the
Speaker 1: naked eye, just someone who likes to be entertained and
Speaker 1: also like education and information. I thought Harriet was great.
Speaker 1: Do I think it was perfect and that every single
Speaker 1: character it actually existed, and that the story was told
Speaker 1: um to what happened in her life. No, And I
Speaker 1: also I think that the only person that could have
Speaker 1: informed them on how to be exact and accurate would
Speaker 1: have been a person who dead, and that's Harry and
Speaker 1: to this for me was the first time that I
Speaker 1: watched a black woman really portrayed as a like for me,
Speaker 1: like I've watched a lot of different moves with beside
Speaker 1: or they supported this, it's not there. I'm saying this
Speaker 1: wasn't the first time that I watched a black woman
Speaker 1: portrayed as a superhero in mind, and then she was
Speaker 1: not decide to kick to the man. She was she
Speaker 1: was her own superhero. She but not strengths from within
Speaker 1: her that other men didn't even that. And this was
Speaker 1: something that was complictly wealthy. But that's one of the
Speaker 1: one of the things we heard that we're not properly
Speaker 1: That's what I want to bring. No, I want to
Speaker 1: bring two of our biggest liberates. And you know her
Speaker 1: and you look at that and you see the count
Speaker 1: behind when you look at how the liberation movies that
Speaker 1: that put us in position where we were liberated got
Speaker 1: the most flat what they found everything bad out about
Speaker 1: the people who played the roles, who directed the roles.
Speaker 1: They figured out everything wrong accurate. It's not saying that
Speaker 1: they weren't accurate. But I'm just trying to tell you
Speaker 1: that for years, we've watched twelve years to play. We
Speaker 1: watched every we see. Did you we seen all of
Speaker 1: these movies that didn't have the same content, that didn't
Speaker 1: you know, uplift us and make us liberate and nobody
Speaker 1: found anything wrong with you. But we we constantly dissected
Speaker 1: and and then it was and then what happened with
Speaker 1: both of these movies. Both of these movies divided black
Speaker 1: men because if you look at if you look at
Speaker 1: the black women were out well and it had to
Speaker 1: me and I wasn't sun. They pointed out that, you know,
Speaker 1: the rap the rate never actually happened within within history,
Speaker 1: and that's something Wait a minute, let's be careful, because
Speaker 1: we're talking about two different things. No, No, weal the
Speaker 1: issue that turn his story Nat Turner and the woman. No, Nate,
Speaker 1: Nate Parker, Nate's I know what you're saying. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying because people, I'm talking the movies that didn't happen
Speaker 1: with movie, the Gabrielle Union, the parts the road she
Speaker 1: played where she was raised and her husband had to
Speaker 1: sit there, that that was an accurate part of history,
Speaker 1: that that you can't go through our history anywhere and
Speaker 1: see that that that happened Durman during this we're saying
Speaker 1: it could have. It definitely happened to slavery. So they
Speaker 1: pointed those things out, just like they pointing out within
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't know. So they been there so
Speaker 1: many inaccuracies in terms of, you know, what actually happened
Speaker 1: during in her story. And what we're saying is that
Speaker 1: some of the first of all, this is not a documentary.
Speaker 1: It is a movie. It is not an autobiography. It
Speaker 1: is a movie, and it is based upon her story.
Speaker 1: And so I think that the illustrations in the film,
Speaker 1: we're there to bring forth some of the challenges that
Speaker 1: we faced at that time and to day. So the
Speaker 1: black slave catcher, maybe he didn't have a gun, his
Speaker 1: name definitely wasn't bigger long, and he certainly wasn't running
Speaker 1: around just living in a while without being checked by
Speaker 1: his own slave master. Even if he was free, there
Speaker 1: still was a you know, a hierarchy if you will,
Speaker 1: and he certainly wasn't at the top of it, right,
Speaker 1: but I think introducing him in the film gives you
Speaker 1: an example of how black people were working with the
Speaker 1: slave master to help try to catch exactly exactly to
Speaker 1: try to catch um uh, the black Moses being a
Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman. And again it applies to today because we
Speaker 1: worked with black slave catchers all the time, people who
Speaker 1: were supposed to be a part of the movement and
Speaker 1: and and in fact they're seeking us out on behalf
Speaker 1: of the oppressor and willing to turn us over. So
Speaker 1: you know, you could be literal. You can be literal
Speaker 1: as you want with especially if it's the menory. Let's
Speaker 1: be literal. But this was a movie that had the
Speaker 1: ability to give us messages that we need to pass
Speaker 1: down to our children. So a kid that is sitting
Speaker 1: there watching this film and nine to ten years old
Speaker 1: who sees the Black Slave Catchup has the ability to say,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that. I never want to
Speaker 1: be the person that turns against my own people. That
Speaker 1: to me was the point of it. And by the way,
Speaker 1: because people said there's no such things as black slave
Speaker 1: catch up at that time, and someone on my social
Speaker 1: media page, which I thought was funny, was it was
Speaker 1: was folding that Harvard, the Harvard Trust said there was
Speaker 1: no such thing as black slave catches. Yet the University
Speaker 1: of Alabama, the chair of their history department says, not
Speaker 1: necessarily in the South, but definitely as it got closer
Speaker 1: to the north where more people would free, there were
Speaker 1: slave black slave catches. And I just think that I
Speaker 1: choose to believe the university about what I wanted to.
Speaker 1: It is divided. We are at a very crucial time.
Speaker 1: We we can't we don't have the ability, we don't
Speaker 1: have the luxury to be divided, especially about people that
Speaker 1: we we know throughout history that that wasn't that tournament
Speaker 1: to this liberation. We know what harrietsament to liberation. So
Speaker 1: for us to allow specific or small parts of things
Speaker 1: to completely erase them their moments in history, their moment
Speaker 1: where the children can be introduced to their legacy, to
Speaker 1: even do more research, because now we understand that with
Speaker 1: these movies they give, they say I want to I
Speaker 1: want to learn about it, because we we we study
Speaker 1: for condom Conda don't exist. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: There's no there's no historical reference for wa Conda. We
Speaker 1: can't go look up what Conda. These kids can't say, well,
Speaker 1: that actually happens. So when we have real life that
Speaker 1: all type of things that never could happen never will happen.
Speaker 1: But we need to tell me we can't fly from
Speaker 1: one mountain to the other. We can't with what's what
Speaker 1: they had. I mean, I love, we ain't got no brain,
Speaker 1: None of that exists. But we went out in droves
Speaker 1: for that. But we know that black Moses existed. We
Speaker 1: know that that turning exists. We know what they gave
Speaker 1: their lives for this liberation that we that we are
Speaker 1: able to enjoy right now. So I just think that
Speaker 1: black men and black women, we we gotta come to
Speaker 1: some round tables because I see where the problem is.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that both sides have legitimate issues.
Speaker 1: We can't. For the moment for that, for um Harriet
Speaker 1: Tubman to be seen as a superhero was bigger than
Speaker 1: me saying that big It just for me, And there
Speaker 1: are so many lives out there. People are talking about
Speaker 1: a white savior. I'm wondering we were watching the same movie. Well,
Speaker 1: what what what I've got from people. Was that from
Speaker 1: some people In perspective, it is really because your perspective
Speaker 1: if you go, because if you're going with a perspective
Speaker 1: that you want to see something on, you can find
Speaker 1: something wrong. So people did for me when I looked
Speaker 1: for the white slave owner who who was her slave
Speaker 1: owner never existed to me. He was probably one of
Speaker 1: the most died bother the white man that I've ever
Speaker 1: I didn't see him. I didn't see anything as a savior.
Speaker 1: I've seen when he killed Bigger Loan, because Bigger Loan
Speaker 1: was about to shoot her. I've seen him as no,
Speaker 1: you're nothing to kill because you're not even worthy. I
Speaker 1: want to take her back. I want to torture back
Speaker 1: to my white mother. I want to take your burner
Speaker 1: in front of the in front of the town. I
Speaker 1: want her because he told her when she pulled out
Speaker 1: a gun, he said, they're gonna they're gonna tear and
Speaker 1: feather you. They're gonna burn, They're gonna rip you limb
Speaker 1: from lift. So this was his goal. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to know you ain't because you were Nigga too. I
Speaker 1: don't want you to get well that you're not. The
Speaker 1: point is he was shown by him killing Big Along,
Speaker 1: it was to show you how you're disposable. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say big he said. My father told me that
Speaker 1: he was like a pig that eventually you have to
Speaker 1: sell it or you gotta eat it. Think that's the
Speaker 1: spoilers because people need to see the movie. Bottom line
Speaker 1: is to me, he killed her. He killed this man
Speaker 1: because he probably was always gonna kill him, and he
Speaker 1: wanted to take her back and do unfathomable things. And
Speaker 1: let me just say, when she talks about life or
Speaker 1: what she talked about, uh, freedom or death to me,
Speaker 1: big a long. If if the storyline was that that
Speaker 1: she was captured and that her slave master was actually
Speaker 1: able to take her back, she probably would have been
Speaker 1: would have preferred being killed by Big Alan because I
Speaker 1: would definitely not want to go back with him, So
Speaker 1: for him to shoot her would have probably been fine.
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