1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,120 Speaker 1: Well, welcome in everybody. 2 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of Clay and Buck International Edition. In fact, 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Clay over in Israel, I'm still here in the good 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: old us of A. He'll tell us about what he 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: has seen over there, what's going on. Fascinating time to 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: be in the Near East. There is right now going 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: through a momentous change. 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Not only has there been the. 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Fighting between Israel and its enemies terrorist groups Hamas has 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: Belah and their backers in Iran over the last year, 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: well much longer than that, but at a heightened state. 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 2: Over the last year, you have the fall of the 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: House of Assad in Syria, Clay and I'll talk to 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: you a bit about that. There is some jubilation in 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: the streets, a lot of people firing. Celebratory gunfire is 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: a thing in the Middle East. You don't see it 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: that many other places because those bullets do come down. 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: It is actually quite dangerous and stupid and people do 19 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: die from this. But anyway, a lot of celebratory gunfire, 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: that's what they call it in the news going on 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: in Syria. Despite the fact that yes Asada is gone, 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: he was a bad man. The person who is currently 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: the de facto head of the state of Syria was 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: formerly a member of al Qaeda, so that's probably not 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: looking so great for the long term. I know they're 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: saying some things now to calm the international community down. Well, 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: we'll get into this in a little bit. But Clay 28 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: is over there right now, not saying this is a 29 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: cause and effect moment. But Clay goes to the region 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: and one of the worst tyrants of the last fifty 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: years happens to just fall suddenly and his massive car 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: collection of supercars and antique cars is exposed as well. 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: Which is all these guys man Middle Eastern tyrants all 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: about the repression and bugattis. It's somehow this always goes 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 2: hand in hand. 36 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: We'll just got some. 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: Pretty girls, oftentimes in religiously restrictive countries as well. The 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: dictator never has one wife for fifty years. Kind of 39 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: interesting how that works too. 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: It is funny how that works out, isn't it something 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: that never is a big surprise. We also had the 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: aftermath of two things that have occurred yesterday and now 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: the media narrative formation around it. The Daniel Penny verdict. 44 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: We were very pleased to see the jury came to 45 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: what we both believe here is absolutely the right decision, 46 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: which was a not guilty verdict. And after the judge 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: dismissed the top count, and we also had the arrest 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: of this guy, Luigi, And there have been a lot 49 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: of memes about this. 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: Luigi MANGIONI who it seems. 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: I know it is alleged, but I mean they found 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: the guy with the weapon. I mean, this is Colonel 53 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: Mustard with the candlestick in the solarium on video. Basically, 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: I mean this is very much looking like they have 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: the guy. But he allegedly killed the United Healthcare CEO. 56 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of talk about this online. We'll 57 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: get into some of it. Also more on the the 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: big the big Trump picks for the cabinet right now, 59 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: the ones that are getting attention, particularly Pete Hegseeth Cash Patel, 60 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: RFK Junior. He may get rid of your beloved die 61 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: in your mountain dew, mister Clay, you aware of this. 62 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: I think yellow number whatever it is, maybe a thing 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: of the past. Your mountain dew might become clear. Is 64 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: clear mountain dew not as exciting to you? 65 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: It certainly is not. That's just sprite with less sugar. 66 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: So I've been trying to give up sodas and in 67 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: favor of coffee and Crockett Coffee in particular. I think 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: that's the right decision from a healthcare perspective. But but yeah, 69 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: this is gonna be intriguing to see. I actually will 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: talk about this more. I'm actually feeling really good about 71 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: every one of Trump's nominees getting through at this point. 72 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: I think everybody's kind of getting in line. The heag 73 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Set momentum is very good, and I'm not even seeing 74 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: really much organized opposition since the heag Set stuff has started. 75 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: To you and I talked about as soon as they. 76 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: Moved from oh, he's guilty of sexual assault to he 77 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: occasionally drinks a beer when he's on television, maybe a 78 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: sign that they weren't having a lot. 79 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Of success in tearing him down. 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and the troops that have come forward, including those 81 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: who served many who served with him, overwhelming support from them. 82 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: A lot of people in the special operations community also 83 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: coming forward to say that they want Pete Hegset, that 84 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: he is the guy. I do think that there has 85 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: there's been a there's a backlash, and it makes sense 86 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: to me why against the military institutionalist who has really 87 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: been effectively a politician with stars on his shoulders, or 88 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: perhaps even worse, a board member of Rayfieon or Boeing 89 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 2: or Lockheed or whatever. That that's what you have to 90 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: be to run the Pentagon. A warfighter running the Pentagon 91 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: is something that a lot of warfighters want to see 92 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: right now. So that's seeming to go through, which is 93 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: a good thing. I wanted to start on this, Clay. 94 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: I keep wondering when we're going to see what the 95 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: hashtag resistance is. And let me be clear, there was 96 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: almost nothing from BLM last night. In I mean I 97 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: didn't see anything actually in New York. There were some 98 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 2: people saying some things outside the courtroom, but there were 99 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: no riots, and we didn't expect there to be. We said, 100 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: it feels like that is an exhausted mobilization for the left. Well, 101 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: I keep waiting for them to figure out what their 102 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: opposition is going to be and how they're going to 103 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: try to stymy the Trump agenda in terms of the 104 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: narrative right and really a move to sanity, a move 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: toward the center, Clay feels kind of inevitable, I would think. 106 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 4: But maybe not. 107 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: This is cut for AOC who I perhaps. 108 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: Have been naive enough to think is less of a 109 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: I think Jesse Kelly refers to it as a street communist, 110 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: our friend, Jesse, I like that term, less of a 111 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: street communist, less of somebody who is out there as 112 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: kind of a community organizer, activist, rabble rouser another way 113 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: of saying it, a rabble rouser. That she's been moving 114 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: toward leadership. No, she's still crazy. Actually, here she is. 115 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: On the Daniel Penny thing. This is cut forward play it. 116 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 5: If we do not want violence on our subways, and 117 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 5: the point of our justice system is a level of 118 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 5: accountability to prevent a person who does not have remorse 119 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 5: about taking another person's life. I mean, even people who 120 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 5: have engaged in nanslaughts, or have taken a life accidentally 121 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 5: expressed remorse. And so the fact that a person has 122 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 5: made expressed no remorse indicates that there's a risk that 123 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: it may happen again. And if we do not want 124 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 5: to unleash that level of vice less than we should 125 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 5: exert a level of accountability to prevent that from happening again. 126 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: As if Clay locking up Daniel Penny would make the 127 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: subways safer, she didn't get the memo that the jury 128 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: put out. 129 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: Here's a question for you, and I'm not sure what 130 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: my answer is. Is Daniel Penny a twenty four to 131 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: forty eight hour story for the left and they just 132 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: kind of move on because there isn't really any kind 133 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: of rallying cry. 134 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: Associated with him. 135 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: Or is this something that lingers because sometimes there are 136 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: jury results that it seems like it's going to be 137 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: a big story and then a couple of days later 138 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: we move on and people don't. 139 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,119 Speaker 1: Really care that much. 140 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: Or is this going to be one that lasts for 141 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: some time and becomes a form of rallying cry for 142 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: the left. My inclination is that while they may say 143 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: crazy things like what AOC just said, it's really the 144 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: twenty four hour news cycle, and deep down they know 145 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: this is not a story that lingers in a positive 146 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: way for them, and so they abandoned it. Otherwise, there 147 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: are other stories that I frankly didn't expect to last 148 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: as long as they did that did right, Like they 149 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: decided January sixth was the worst day in America since 150 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: the Civil War, and they made it a thing for 151 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: years and years. Daniel Penny, do you think it's something 152 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: that lasts that people go back to that remains evocative 153 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: going forward, or do you think this is a story 154 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 3: that forty eight hours from now basically nobody left or 155 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: right really talks about anymore. 156 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: I think that this one goes, meaning that it falls away. 157 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: I think that this isn't what they need as a 158 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: rallying cry. Here's the thing. People on the street. People 159 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: on the street, especially in New York, are really tired 160 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: of the maniacs who have been arrested fifty times, who 161 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: are urinating and defecating on the subway, who are spitting 162 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: in people's moms faces and grandmothers and knocking them down. 163 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: And New Yorkers are actually tired of that. 164 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: It's beyond the political now in terms of partisan ship. 165 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: I mean, there's still some lunatic Democrats, but now it's 166 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: only the lunatic Democrats. It's AOC, it's that maniac Taylor 167 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: Lorenz who was at the Washington Post. These are the 168 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: kind of people who's still adhere to what had been 169 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: that Democrat orthodoxy. I think it's been a huge change 170 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: normal people, including. 171 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: There are normal Democrats. 172 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: I know, sounds like exactly if there are lots of 173 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: normal Democrats, wrong on some ideas, but saying they see 174 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: this play and they say to themselves, enough is enough. 175 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's probably the ultimate takeaway. In 176 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: the short term, you get outrageous statements like what we 177 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: just played from AOC, but it's almost like she's saying 178 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 3: that to try to stay in the good grace of 179 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: the left inner party, and then they'll just allow this 180 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 3: to vanish because actual normal people want safe subways. And 181 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: when you actually acknowledge the facts of this case and 182 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 3: examine them, there wasn't much here. And I think even 183 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: the lack of BLM protests buck they were really good 184 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: at mobilizing people to protest anytime they basically called for it. 185 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: We played that yesterday, the leaders of New York City's 186 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: BLM movement said, we basically need to have protests and 187 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 3: there need to be consequences for this decision by this jury. 188 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: And then nothing happened. 189 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, it's one thing when you say, hey, 190 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: we're going to basically just decide not to come out 191 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: and try to rally about this, but they made a 192 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: pretty public proclamation that they wanted there to be some 193 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: consequences for this jury verdict. Nothing happened. Nobody really showed 194 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: up in New York City. It makes you wonder, And again, 195 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: I know we're not allowed to go back in time 196 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 3: and re examine this stuff. I still want to know 197 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: how they were able to mobilize so many people with 198 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 3: the BLM riots of the summer of twenty twenty. There 199 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: was money behind that. Remember how mysteriously all the riot 200 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: gear would just show up. Suddenly there was a truck 201 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 3: that was pulling in with all the two by fours 202 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: and all the crow bars and everything that people would 203 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 3: end up rioting with. There was a lot of money 204 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: behind that. Trump was in office, but there doesn't seem 205 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: to be any mass mobilization that's occurring against Trump. I 206 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: think the failure of any real opposition by and large 207 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: to his cabinet nominees, the left is beaten and weak. 208 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: I think right. 209 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: Now, well that's exactly what I'm feeling, which is I 210 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: cannot remember. I'm gonna tell you all that, I'm gonna 211 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: be honest with you. I since I've been doing this, 212 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: since I've been in the world of media and not 213 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: the world of the intelligence community, I've never felt like 214 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: the left was just just so deflated and and just beaten. 215 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: You know, it's like they got nothing. I don't know 216 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: who is the leader, what is the narrative, what is 217 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: the story, and so on the good side of things, 218 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: I think this means that Trump has more leeway for 219 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: the agenda from go than at any other time, certainly 220 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: than even including the beginning of twenty sixteen. I think 221 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: he has like the blank slate as much as one 222 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: can have one. But you know, he's got the clear space, 223 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 2: I would say, to really do big things. Clay, I 224 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't even know what the Democrats are 225 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: offering people. I watched Morning Joe this morning. Honestly, I 226 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: shouldn't admit this stuff. 227 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: It was like. 228 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: Watching local news. They're like, yeah, the Daniel Penny case. Yeah, 229 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: this guy got arrested for the United Healthcare CEO. Really 230 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: no commentary because I think they don't know what they're 231 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: supposed to tell their audience anymore. 232 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: What Hitler's going to be president? Hitler won You know 233 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. 234 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: I think they're panicking because Fox News now has over 235 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: seventy percent of the news audience, and their game plan 236 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: is not working in the wake of the Trump big win. 237 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 3: It's not only their influence that's diminished is that their 238 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 3: audience doesn't trust them. And so I think there's a 239 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: bit of floundering. Did we play the audio of your 240 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: good buddy Morning Joe going off on his audience for 241 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: being too critical of him. It's a sign that you're floundering. 242 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: It's one thing if he goes off on Trump's audience, 243 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: or he goes off on Republicans who are not otherwise 244 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 3: watching his show. They've now devolved to the point buck 245 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: where they're yelling at the few remaining viewers they actually 246 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 3: have and basically saying they don't understand the brilliance of 247 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 3: a guy like Joe Scarborough. 248 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you know where. You know where I 249 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: think they they rally and they dig in. If Trump 250 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: and the Trump team really go with a massively accelerated 251 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 2: deportation program, yes, this is where the identity politics, the 252 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: race politics, the class all of that, all of a 253 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: sudden has this huge resurgence. But that's a central that's 254 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: the central promise of Trump two point zero is to 255 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: start that and get that process in motion. So that's 256 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: what I think almost they're waiting for. Because right now 257 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: Clay they've just got nothing. It's it's almost sad. 258 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 3: They're gonna find a couple of kids that are getting deported, 259 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: maybe they get separated from their parents, and they're going 260 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: to use that as the stand in for why Trump's 261 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: deportations are racist and xenophobic and completely unacceptable. 262 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: I think you're right. 263 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: I think that's the hill that they're going to decide 264 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: to die on. We'll talk about that in a bit more. 265 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: But in the meantime, you're trying to save money right now, 266 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: pure talk has the best option out there. 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Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. 286 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: Buck. 287 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've been paying attention to New 288 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 3: York City Mayor Eric Adams, but he is starting to 289 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: make some really interesting arguments, and I think we have 290 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: a cut from him, but we can have a little 291 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: bit more discussion about this. 292 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: He said, let me play this cut seventeen. 293 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: He said, Hey, you know the DOJ and the FBI 294 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: turns out they have been weaponized. 295 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 296 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 6: Now we're hearing others are saying that Biden should parton 297 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 6: people because it's be difficult on their families and difficult 298 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 6: on them and they would have to pay high legal fees. 299 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: What about me? What about those mothers who. 300 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 6: Are placed on FBI watch lists because they were standing 301 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 6: up for their children. 302 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 7: Well, you said the other day you think that the 303 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 7: Justice system has been politicized. 304 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 4: Do you believe that, don't you? 305 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: Yes, I do with all my heart. But not only 306 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: do I believe it. 307 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 6: The President stated it, Donald Trump stated it, and countless others. 308 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: You should look at some of these stories. What happened to. 309 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 6: People that stand up because of what they believe in. 310 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 6: I believed in this city we were going in the 311 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 6: wrong direction with the micros and asylum seekers. 312 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: I think mamor Adams, is it possible for him to 313 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: like switch to being inn in Clay and then try 314 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: to court all the Republican voters in the five boroughs 315 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: to his side and saying Democrats. I mean, there's a 316 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: lane here. I don't think he saw it when he 317 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: should have, which is when he took office. But the 318 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: lane is still open. You want to work with Trump, 319 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 2: you want to clean up your city. People can forgive 320 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: a lot of mistakes and missteps if they and their 321 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 2: families are safe on the streets and in the subway 322 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: because of the policies you push. 323 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: That seems like the direction he's headed, because he says 324 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: he's going to run for reelection. I've said before and 325 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 3: I stand by it. I think Trump should pardon Eric 326 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: Adams I think it would be super smart politically if 327 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: you're going to be pardoning the jan sixth prisoners, which 328 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 3: I think you should, if you've also pardoned to Eric Adams, 329 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: it makes it harder to criticize you. And it feels 330 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: to me like Eric Adams is maybe trying to run 331 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 3: as a centrist, maybe even a Republican. 332 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: Look, the Democrats need a little help these days, and 333 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 2: Clay and I are in a very giving move. It 334 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: is the holiday season, we got Christmas coming up. 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You know this, We'll just say the assassin, 359 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: because it clearly was an assassination and this guy was 360 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: found with all the stuff on. I think he wanted 361 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 2: to be caught. If you if you were trying to 362 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: do something like this guy did and you wanted to 363 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: get away with it, you would go to you know, I. 364 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: Mean not that this is hard. I'm not like giving 365 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: the bad guy some roadmap. Here. 366 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: You go to some country that has flights to Cuba 367 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: or Venezuela routinely, and you fly from there to Cuba 368 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: or Venezuela, and you're not going to get extradited. You 369 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: have to live in Cuba or Venezuela for the rest 370 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: of your life, and if you go to any other country, 371 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 2: they're gonna pick you up and turn you over to 372 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: a not any country, but you know anyone nearby. I 373 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: don't think hanging out in Altuna, Pennsylvania was gonna cut it, 374 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: is my point, like, I don't think you're gonna be 375 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: able to lay low. 376 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: I don't know much about Altuna. 377 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: Could be lovely place, but my sense is that walking 378 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: into the McDonald's there by the way, did you see 379 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: the Burger King tweet? I don't know was it real. 380 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: I never know if it's real. It's so easy to 381 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: fake these tweets. Now, did you see the one I'm 382 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: talking about? That was very funny if either it was 383 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 2: a joke. There was supposed to be a Burger King 384 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: account tweet that said we don't snitch, which I thought 385 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: was very funny considering this guy got bagged at McDonald's. 386 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: Anyway. The other thing that has been noteworthy is the. 387 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: Way they're trying to On the one hand, they were 388 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: hoping the Daniel Penny thing, the forces of the Democrats 389 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: the left were they thought that Daniel Penny thing would 390 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: spark a you know, a big you know, resistance movement 391 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: BLM three point zero whatever, And I don't see it. 392 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: I don't think any because too many New Yorkers are like, look, 393 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 2: you know, if you're gonna try to cause mayhem a 394 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: night over this, I hope the NYPD pepper sprays you 395 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: in the face and arrest you, like they're not on 396 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: board for this. The jury, a multi racial and I 397 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: believe majority female jury was not on board with what 398 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg was trying to do. Clay, that's a strong 399 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: that's a strong symbol I think of what's going on, 400 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: or a strong indicator. And then there's the United Healthcare 401 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: CEO shooting situation. Are we at the point, Clay before 402 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: I play this where former Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz 403 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: should know, like is she at like wellness check level 404 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: now where we should no longer take her? So this 405 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 2: will be the last time I think on the show 406 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 2: we're planning to play anything that she says or does, 407 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: because I think she's actually think she's a strong person. 408 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: There are a lot of people I think on left 409 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: wing media that I think are psychologically unwell like I 410 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 3: think Sonny Houstin is psychologically unwell. 411 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: Is there an I need a psychiatrist away? And is 412 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: being pathologically bitter in the DSM. I'm just wondering because 413 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: she's pathologically bitter. 414 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I I just think they're broken. But to 415 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 3: your point, Taylor Lorenz, I let me say this. I 416 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: actually think there's lots of people in media like her. 417 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: And I don't know a lot of. 418 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: People think about this, but there are many people with 419 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 3: low self esteem who get a job at an organization 420 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 3: like the Washington Post and the New York Times, and 421 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: they want to wield power because they are a quote 422 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 3: journalist there right, Like they've never had any element of 423 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: power their entire life, And suddenly people will return their 424 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: phone calls and they will pay attention to them, and 425 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 3: they can get on these moral screeds because they're on 426 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: the Washington Post team or they're on the New York 427 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: Times team, and they then therefore think that power is 428 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: their own and that they have some unique talent. 429 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: I think that's Taylor Lorenz. 430 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 3: And now she's been basically fired by the Washington Post 431 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 3: and she's off on her own. The other thing I'll 432 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: say about this Buck is a lot of these people 433 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: need editors. A lot of these people need somebody who's 434 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: keeping them between the lines, even if they're a little 435 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 3: bit left wings. Sometimes you'll see it on the right. 436 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 3: You need somebody who is controlling your otherwise instincts which 437 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: cause you to drive off the road. I think she's 438 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: a drive off the road crazy person who's been being 439 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 3: kept between the lines by her editors at the Washington 440 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 3: Post probably for some time now. 441 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 2: Speaking of crazy person, she went on the Piers Morgan Show, 442 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: which I at peers these days. It feels a bit 443 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: like he's revived the Jerry Springer model. 444 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: So and I like it. I like it, you know, 445 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: he just he has people on who are gonna fight. 446 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: They're gonna argue. 447 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: It's not actually physical, but they're gonna argue and it's 448 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: gonna get intense. 449 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: And I think this is good. I miss these days. 450 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: I remember, man back in the day. I won't pour 451 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: everybody with the same thing. 452 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: But back in the day cable news, you used to 453 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: have throwdowns, you know, Uncle Bill would Uncle Bill would 454 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 2: always get some uh you know, back in the o'rally 455 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: factor days, he'd get some like Judge who decided that 456 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: some like serial child molester deserve you know, probation, and 457 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: he'd get. 458 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 8: Him on the air and he'd shout at him and 459 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 8: be like, you know, what are you doing? And the 460 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 8: guy would be like, I'm sorry, I'm horrible, you know. 461 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 8: I mean it's like that was the exchange of ideas 462 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 8: that we were offered to all we were offered up. 463 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 8: And that doesn't happen anymore. We don't have these debates. 464 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 8: We don't have anyway. 465 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: Here's Morgan's doing a bit of this on his show, 466 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: and here's Taylor lorenz Uh. Let's just hear what she 467 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 2: has to say, play cup one. 468 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 9: I do believe in the sanctity of life, and I 469 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 9: think that's why I felt, along with so many other 470 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 9: Americans joy unfortunately, you know, because. 471 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 10: I mean execution. 472 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 9: Maybe not joy, but certainly not no certainly not empathy, 473 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 9: because again. 474 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 10: How can this make you joy? This guy's a husband 475 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 10: and he's being done down in the middle of Manhattan. 476 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 9: Why does that make the joys of Americans that be murdered? 477 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 9: So are tens So are the tens of thousands of Americans, 478 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 9: innocent Americans who died because greedy health insurance executives like 479 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 9: this one push policies of denying care to the most 480 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 9: vulnerable people, many millions of Americans that have watched people 481 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 9: that I care about suffer and in some cases die 482 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 9: because of lack of health. 483 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 10: Should they will be killed? 484 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 5: Then? 485 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 10: Should they will be killed these healthcare executives? Would that 486 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 10: make it even more joyful? 487 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 5: No? 488 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 9: That would not. 489 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 10: And I. 490 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: Question for years, Yeah, peers holding to the fire, holding 491 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: their feet to the fire. But to say that the people. 492 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: Being murdered, you're aquating you know, uh, healthcare procedure with 493 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 4: somebody who goes with a pistol and assassinates somebody in 494 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 4: cold blood on the street, I mean you're actively like 495 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 4: these things are in some way in a similar moral plane. 496 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 497 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: I understand why people are angry about the healthcare system. 498 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: Our healthcare system is broken, regardless of what you think 499 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 3: of your particular plan or anything else, it is completely 500 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 3: and utterly broken. Having said that, murdering someone in cold 501 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: blood who happens to work at a healthcare insurance company 502 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 3: and then saying it brought you joy is deranged and 503 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 3: it's scary, frankly, because it's why all these executives now 504 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: who work in healthcare are going to all have to 505 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 3: spend millions and millions of dollars on their own healthcare 506 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 3: protection because buck this guy what happened to be targeted 507 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: and shot. There's thirty or forty other healthcare executives on 508 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 3: his same level that would have been equally vulnerable walking 509 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: around on the street with no idea that somebody was 510 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: going to walk up hind them and shoot them. And 511 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: the fact that this guy's kind of becoming like a 512 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: sort of modern day Billy the Kid or something where 513 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 3: there's people out there who are celebrating him, is I 514 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 3: think scary because it's going to lead to more people 515 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: who look at him and think, oh, I could be 516 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 3: the same kind of heroic figure as him. 517 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: Look, this is somewhat This might be an unpopular thing 518 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: to say, but I think it needs to be said, 519 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: so I'm going to say it. There's a lot of 520 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 2: picking out different sectors corporations and viewing them as the 521 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: enemy without any context for what really is going on. 522 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: Let me give you an example. 523 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 2: What I mean, there's a lot of people now who 524 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: are trashing, like just absolutely trashing Big Pharma all the time. 525 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: And I mean the Sackler, you know, the stuff with 526 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: what's the drug oxyconton. I mean, you know, yes, there 527 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: have been very bad things done. Yes, they spend a 528 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: lot of money on TV. I get that, But. 529 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 7: Without the without these companies, Clay, do you know how 530 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 7: many people would have heart attacks in the next thirty 531 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 7: days if these drugs weren't being made, if these things, 532 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 7: If you know, there's a reason why whenever the American 533 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 7: people are faced with losing their health insurance. 534 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: As much as health insurance is imperfect, as much as 535 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: Health Insurance United was the worst of the bunch, thirty 536 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: percent of claims or something initially at least denied, when 537 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: you try to take away people's health insurance, they freak out. 538 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: Most people, not. 539 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: Something anybody wants to hear right now, actually think their 540 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: health insurance. When I say most, I mean by every survey, 541 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: by every pole, they think their health insurance is actually 542 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: pretty good. And so when we talk about the health 543 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: insurance companies and how they're bad, these big bad monsters 544 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: and health insurance companies, there are bad things that are 545 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: being done. 546 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: But okay, should we just get rid of all of 547 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: them tomorrow? 548 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: You want single You want single payer, because guess what 549 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: single payer means. It means that a government bureaucrat look 550 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: at what they do in Canada, instead of a private 551 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: company is saying, yeah, screw you, you don't get you 552 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: don't get that service, you don't get that paid for, 553 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: or you can wait three years, or do you see 554 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: what I mean? Like everyone's having this thing about how 555 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: all the healthcare companies. I mean, look, and I'll be honest, 556 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: even with RFK Junior, I'm sorry that he's gonna be 557 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: messing with your mountain dew. I think there's some good 558 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: stuff he's gonna do on food, But take a look 559 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: at RFK Junior. My man has a peptide stack to envy. Okay, 560 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: the he is a fan of the pharmaceutical industry in 561 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: many ways, he just doesn't necessarily talk about them. They 562 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: do some really good, important things too, And I just 563 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: feel like nobody wants to hear that context right now. 564 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: But it's you know, I ever's gonna say what about 565 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: this tonight? What about They're three hundred and fifty million 566 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: people in this country. Do seventy percent of them think 567 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: their healthcare is pretty good? If you want to test 568 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: this out, let's just go to single pair. 569 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: Everybody. What happens you will lose every election you try anyway. 570 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying? 571 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: At least I know that this maybe is a little 572 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: bit of shock therapy on this subject, but this is 573 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: so easy to demonize these I know I'm probably getting 574 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: absolutely annihilated in the comments. 575 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: Whatever, It's all true. Everything I said is true. 576 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 3: My thing on healthcare that I think of why people 577 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: are so angry is because we have no idea what 578 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 3: things are gonna cost, because health care is fundamentally broken 579 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: in this country. I think you're gonna have a baby 580 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 3: because we don't want to know, Clay, because we think 581 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: other people will pay for it. 582 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: That's actually what's going on. That's my point. 583 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 3: And the insurance companies are just a symptom of this. 584 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: Because you're about to have a baby. Your wife, Carrie 585 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 3: is the two of you are going to have a baby. 586 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: You're not a Democrat and so you know men can't 587 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: have babies. But when you go in to have this 588 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: baby soon, you will go and tour hospitals. I'm betting 589 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 3: Carrie will say, hey, I want to go look at 590 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 3: these three in the Miami area and they'll you know 591 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 3: what they'll sell you on buck Just wait when you 592 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: go do this, they're gonna be like, hey, we have 593 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 3: bamboo flooring, we have all natural ambient sound, we have 594 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: organic coffee brews like I couldn't believe when I toured 595 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 3: to have the baby, I said, this is all great. 596 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: Can you tell me what it's gonna cost. Can you 597 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: tell me what it's gonna cost. What I'm gonna have 598 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 3: to pay to have a baby. I love my babies, 599 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 3: but in the same way, I don't just walk onto 600 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: a car lot and you show me a bunch of 601 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: cars and you don't tell me what any of them cost, 602 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: and when I ask, you say, oh, don't worry about it. 603 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: It's so broken. And so I think the anger is 604 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 3: because one basic math and economics doesn't exist. And then 605 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 3: the insurance companies just layer on top of it and 606 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 3: make more money. And here's the ultimate hard truth. We 607 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: don't even have that great of health outcomes. If you 608 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: look at the average age of a you know, average lifespan. 609 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: We spend in inordinate amounts compared to other countries that 610 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: get the same results. You don't know the hard truth here, 611 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: and this is gonna get people really fired up. If 612 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 3: we cut fifty percent of all health care treatment, there 613 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 3: would be no change at all in average life spans 614 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: in America, and that, to me is a symptom of 615 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 3: us getting a lot wrong. If you can cut half 616 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 3: of all of the healthcare treatments and the average life 617 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: lived in healthcare of the average American doesn't change at all, 618 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: what in the world are we doing? 619 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 9: So? 620 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 3: I think there's anger about healthcare. People know that it's broken, 621 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: but they don't know why it's broken, and so that 622 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: just creates anger in general. Does that make sense? That's 623 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 3: where I think a lot of it comes from. 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Patriots Radio hosts a couple of regular guys, 652 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 653 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 3: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 654 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 3: get your podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton 655 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: show Lots of You weighing in a variety of different 656 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 3: takes on the healthcare shooting. CEO Brian Thompson killed by 657 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: this crazy ivy league grad who was busted at a McDonald's. 658 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 3: My thing on this is we have a broken healthcare system, 659 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: and in order to fix it, it will cost a 660 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 3: lot of money and everybody will be unhappy, and so 661 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 3: the entire If you were trying to design a system 662 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 3: that is as inefficient as possible, you would have ours, 663 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: first of all, buck In addition to not having any 664 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 3: idea what any medical treatment, by and large costs, most 665 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: people's healthcare is covered by their employe and it's not 666 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 3: considered income. Right, So if you have an oh, by 667 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 3: the way, do you know what the average healthcare cost is? 668 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 3: I know because we've covered some for a family of four. 669 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 3: The average healthcare bill now is insurance twenty five thousand 670 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 3: dollars a year. 671 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: I believe. So that being embedded in. 672 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 3: Your employer's cost where people don't see it come out 673 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 3: of their paycheck, oftentimes you don't know what anything costs. 674 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: It's all broken. It's completely broken. 675 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: And so it doesn't surprise me when people are angry 676 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 3: about the healthcare system in general, because you are right, 677 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 3: it is broken, and you can point to insurance, you 678 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: can point to primary care, you can point to so 679 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 3: many different aspects. And here's the real kickerbuck, we don't 680 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 3: even have good outcomes. We spend infinitely more on healthcare 681 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 3: in America than any other country in the world, and 682 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 3: our average lifespan is not moving and is actually a 683 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 3: lot lower than countries that spend way less. 684 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 2: And yet, as I said, you'll look at poll after 685 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: poll after poll that shows anywhere from sixty to eighty 686 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 2: something percent of Americans think their health insurance is good, 687 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 2: very good, or excellent. And now you might say, what 688 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: about the other twenty percent, Well, yeah, they're very upset. 689 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna point this out. 690 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: There's no or you know, thirty percent, whatever it is, 691 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: there's no real effort to do anything about this right now. 692 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: No one's even talking about you know, there's there's no discussion. 693 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: What is the Trump teams in the incoming Trump team's 694 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: plan for healthcare? 695 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. 696 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: I mean, Doge might have some ideas, but right now, 697 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's a good time 698 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: to figure 699 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: This out of play, because it could be a lot better, 700 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: that's for sure.