1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discuss the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And President Biden called Trump Donald dumb. 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: Well, there you go, I'm done. We can all go home. 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today. 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: Domestic policy advisor to President Biden, near A Tandon, stops 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: by to tell us about the Biden administration's move to 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: fixed drug prices. 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: Don't worry, I made her talk about the hacking. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Congressman Mondare Jones about his race 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: to get back into Congress. But first we have Washington 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: Post columnist Dana Milbank. Welcome back to Fast Politics, Dana Milbank. 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: Molly, it is always a pleasure. 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this bizarre moment in the world's 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: weirdest presidential campaign. We are three weeks, almost a month 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: into the Harris presidential run. She recently picked a vice 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: presidential candidate who, by the way I called it, I 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: would like. 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: To say, I'm sorry you called it like when. 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: That weekend I was like, it's going to be Tim Walls. 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 3: That's pretty good. 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: I thought, she's going to meet him, and he reads 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: like a normal person, which for American politician is unusual. 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: It is. I mean, I don't know how much of 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 3: this tampon tim stuff and stolen valor nonsense gets through. 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 3: They're trying, Yeah, I get the sense that they've tried 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: a little too hard. I mean, there are just so 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: many crazy things out there that, oh, my goodness, he 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: signed legislation that would allow the state to kidnap children, 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: to allow gender reassignments, or I mean, it's just I 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: think if they just stuck with one thing, like if 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: you were just going to swift boat the guy, you know, 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: maybe try that, But it just so many insane things 34 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: over and over again. You just can't keep up. I 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: suspect people are just gonna see him out there doing 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: what he's doing, like asking people to picture Donald Trump 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: working at the McDonald's operating the mcflurry machine. 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: First, I want you to talk about Jadie Vance, because 39 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: when he picked him, I was like pretty surprised. Everybody thought, oh, 40 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: he'll pick someone who will grow the electorate. I don't 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: know why any of us thought this, right, because Trump 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: has never been interested in growing the electorate. But I 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: think some of us thought, or at least I thought, oh, 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: he'll pic Nicky Haley or he'll pick I thought he 45 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't pic Nicky Halley at that one, But I thought 46 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: Tim Scott or even Marco Rubio someone where it's like 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: he's at least paying lip service to the idea that 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: he can't just win with angry white guys. 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: But she didn't do that at all. 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: No, And that was I think it was accidental, But 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: that was sort of the genius of when Biden actually 52 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: pulled out, because just think about at that moment Biden's 53 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: collapsed in the debate, the assassination attempt, it really looked 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: like it was going to be a cakewalk for Donald Trump, 55 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: and so it was the overconfidence and he said, well, 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: what would I like most, Well, here's what I'd really 57 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: like is a real sycophant who used to be a critic. 58 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: And that has just totally won over to me because 59 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: that's what people are going to love. They're going to see, 60 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 3: you know, how much this guy adores me now. And 61 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: so he wasn't looking, you know, to expence like we 62 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 3: can win this with angry white men. So it really 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: appeared that way. So yeah, very predictably, there was all 64 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: this buyer's remorse. First of all. Clearly he wasn't fitted 65 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: about the cat ladies and all that. But you know, 66 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: it's not just what he said in the past. It 67 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: just seems to keep happening on a daily basis. You know, 68 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: he's just mixing up the was it the Secretary of 69 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: Energy and the Secretary of transportation? He's talking about the 70 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: cars costing him fifty thousand dollars a year. I mean, 71 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: you know, he was plucked from relative obscurity. I mean, 72 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: we in Washington knew who he was. He'd written a 73 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: book that Donald Trump seems to think was sympathetic to 74 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: working people, but was in fact disparaging them from beginning 75 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: us and it was an error that was understandable based 76 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: on the moment that we're in. But as you pointed out, 77 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: we are now in a much even crazier moment than before. 78 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the beginning, this was an election cycle between 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: two people that everyone felt were too old to run. 80 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: My defensive Biden has always been he's not a great speaker, 81 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: and he never was a great speaker, So the fact 82 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: that he's a less good speaker now just doesn't move me. 83 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: That was exactly right. I was writing about how terrible 84 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: he was in the nineteen nineties, so that was always 85 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 3: my line too. But in truth, I wasn't expecting what 86 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: happened at the debate, So it was worse that I realized. 87 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it definitely was worse. 88 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: But I never had huge expectations for him as an orator. 89 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: But I think that what happened was a sign that 90 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: Democrats are Actually, it's interesting because it's like you've been 91 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: doing this for such. 92 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: A long time, not that you're old, you're very young, Molly. 93 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: I feel like each time I'm on here, I get 94 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: a little thing, a little dig like that, and then 95 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: you have to bring up the Coolidge administration and then 96 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: we're off for the race. 97 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: Well, it's because you remember the past, which I do. 98 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: Two because I am also old. 99 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: And so that was not as old as I am, 100 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: my dear. 101 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: No, certainly not. 102 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: But when I think about these like the recent past, 103 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: much of political journalism today is almost allergic to the 104 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: very recent past, which is always strange to me. So 105 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: you'll be looking at an election cycle and no one 106 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: will want to talk about the election cycle that preceded it, 107 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: which in my mind is insane, right, because how can 108 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: you think about behavior without thinking about the very recent past. 109 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: But the point of this is, so now all of 110 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: a sudden, Democrats have someone. And it's funny because, like Harris, 111 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: if you look, if you go back to Harris's speech 112 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: in Oakland, it's actually quite a good speech. I remember 113 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: watching it and thinking like, this is pretty good speech. 114 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: And the problem with her campaign was not that she 115 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: wasn't actually quite a good orator. 116 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: It was that two things. 117 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I think one she lacked organization and two the party 118 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: was way to. 119 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: The left of her in twenty twenty. Do you think 120 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: that's right? 121 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: And do you think that somehow this has actually put 122 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: her on a uniquely good position for this Yeah. 123 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: Look, I think twenty twenty was not her moment because 124 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: there was this real sense that to beat Donald Trump 125 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: you actually needed a white guy. I think that was 126 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: probably right at that moment in time, something that would 127 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: not bring out Trump's base and the same numbers. Now, 128 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: okay that his base came out, but so did the 129 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: other side Spase. So yes, she was not the right 130 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: candidate for that moment. But I think people over interpreted 131 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: that to think that she is a disastrous candidate, which 132 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 3: is not the case. In some ways. Yeah, she probably 133 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 3: would have had difficulty if this were a proper, you know, 134 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: primary campaign, when you do have to do all kinds 135 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 3: of unseemly things to appeal to the various parts of 136 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: the electorate. So you know, it was a huge advantage 137 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: to basically be airlifted at this moment and have just 138 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: this overwhelming sense of relief. You know, most democratic and 139 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: Democratic voters had basically given up on the election, you know, 140 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: so I say, well, maybe it won't be that bad 141 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: this time around. You know, there's still a chance that 142 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: Biden can win. I just think the overwhelming sense of 143 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: relief wiped out any kind of doubts about her now 144 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: that you know, there's I guess there's a question is 145 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: does that come up in the next eighty days or so. 146 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: I don't think so. They'll keep hammering away at the 147 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 3: fracking or Green New Deal or whatever. All that stuff 148 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: is sort of baked in the cake now and it 149 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: doesn't feel like they're going to be able to get 150 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: traction on any of this. And also it's again because 151 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: the shots against her, like against walls, are just so 152 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: random and scatter shot. Trump is saying she's a communist lunatic, 153 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: and then in the next breath he's saying, she's copied 154 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: all of my policy ideas. Which one is it? It 155 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: can't be both of those things at once. It's so 156 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: random and scatter shot. And Trump is he's such a 157 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: mess at this moment. You know, you see these Republicans 158 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: I might call him this week is about this. You know, 159 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: they're saying, you know, can you stop the insults actually 160 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: focus on policy? Like come on, I mean, insults are 161 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: his policy right right? 162 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: Right? 163 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: You know they have you know, he comes out and 164 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 3: gives an economic speech and here there he is talking 165 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: about her. Laugh again, I mean, there's he has no 166 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: way around it. 167 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, this economic speech where he keeps trying to remind 168 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: himself that he wants to talk about the economy. 169 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: Or says that his aides want him to talk about 170 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: the economy. I'm not so sure myself about that. 171 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because it's like Silicon Valley. Not entirely, 172 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: but certainly, people like Elon Musk have gotten very excited 173 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: about Trump for almost no reason. As far as I 174 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: can tell. 175 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: I assume the reason is the same as it always 176 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: has been in deregulation and taxes. But Elon Musk is 177 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: sort of suwey generous. I mean, man, listening to those 178 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: two guys, like the two leading fabulousts in world culture, 179 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: you know, right there together talking to each other about 180 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: you know, Trump's going on about the non existence of 181 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: climate change, and then must saying, well, Eroshima and Nagasaki, 182 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 3: Well they weren't so bad. Let's take Elon Musk out 183 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: of the equation. But you'll have a lot of Silicon 184 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: Valley and corporate interests generally thinking all right, they'll get 185 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: their tax cuts extended with this guy, and just holding 186 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: their nose about the other ninety eight percent. 187 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that seems to be what's going on. Let's 188 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: talk about Walls as a candidate and his sort of JD. 189 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: Vance matchup. They're going to have two debates. 190 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: I think, at least at this point, one has been 191 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: accepted and then I think the other one's floating out there. 192 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to imagine Vance not wanting to 193 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: take the other debate, because you know, the candidate that's 194 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: losing tends to want to take the debate, right, you. 195 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: Would think, so, I mean, I'm sure it's not up 196 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 3: to Vance, but you know, up to las Avita and company. 197 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: I mean, vance. He's reasonably quick on his feet. He's 198 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: obviously a smart guy, but he just seems to be 199 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: constantly stepping in it. You know, he doesn't have any experience, 200 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: you know, talking beyond his echo chamber. But look, I 201 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: mean that's a that's a debate I would look forward 202 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: to with great enthusiasm. 203 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it'll be interesting to see because I 204 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: think that Walls is quite good, but we haven't seen 205 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Walls have to debate. Like, I don't know how he 206 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: deflects some of those attacks. 207 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: Right, the stolen valor. Yeah, I mean a lot of 208 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: it is ludicrous and over the top. For example, the 209 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: stolen valor thing. Nothing he did approaches anything like that. 210 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: But yeah, he was kind of loose with his language 211 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: about you know. 212 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: He was running for Congress because he disagreed with the war, right. 213 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's all explainable, but it's you know, 214 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: it's not sort of easily done because he did sort 215 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: of use language that he shouldn't have done in this case, 216 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: or that it's not particularly damning, but it requires explanation. 217 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: Tampon tim you know, wanting feminine hygiene products in the 218 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: boys room. The legislation didn't say that, but then you've 219 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: got to go and explain why it just it was 220 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: silent on whether it was girls rooms or boysrooms. He 221 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: doesn't want to be talking about that at all. But 222 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: presumably that's the sort of thing that will come up 223 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: in the debate. So it's not obvious that he'll clean 224 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: jd Vance's clock. 225 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: Right exactly. And jd Vance just like VI Vague, these 226 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: are like skilled debaters, if that makes any sense. 227 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he's quick on his feet and he's glib. 228 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: I think it'll be quite evenly matched. That'll probably be 229 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: you know, if we're going to be analysts of quality debating, 230 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: then well, yeah, that's probably the debate to watch, rather 231 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: Trump Harris. 232 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, I actually think sending Trump to 233 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: debate Harris is like suicide. 234 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: For sure. 235 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: I would think so. But of course if he you know, 236 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: now he's going he's the guy going in with extremely 237 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: low expectations, right. Biden had the advantage of low expectations 238 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 3: and then fell short of him. This time it is 239 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: Trump who is benefiting from low expectations. Look, I mean 240 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: there's always the chance that he will gain discipline. 241 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: No, there's not. 242 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: It's a non zero chance but it's pretty close to zero. 243 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: People tend not to get disciplined. 244 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: You think not. I mean, maybe he's got another news 245 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: conference scheduled, maybe he'll be right on message. You know, 246 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,359 Speaker 3: it's hope Spring's eternal in the minds of many Republicans 247 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: who are asking him to stick with policy. 248 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: Meanstermedia is super mad, largely lots of headlines about why 249 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: Harris doesn't have enough policy is light on policy. Democrats 250 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: are so heavy on policy. Fucking Joe Biden has been 251 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: nothing but policy, And all anyone ever asked me is 252 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 1: but can they transmit this policy? 253 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: How stupid is this discuss? 254 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 3: So we've been talking, not you and I, but the 255 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: media conversation over the last year or so about how 256 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: this election is not about policy at all. So it's 257 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: a little ludicant to now say, where's her policy? Any 258 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: discussion of policy has vanished from the American political seat. 259 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: So I think it's a little silly for us to 260 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: get high minded. Now, you know, after looking at Donald 261 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: Trump comes out with a platform that's actually all caps, 262 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 3: bullet points, recitation of his stump speech. To now expect that, Oh, 263 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: but we're going to hold Harris to a different standard. 264 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 3: You want her policy agenda, while you can look at 265 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: what I's been doing for the last four years. And similarly, 266 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: this notion that, oh my goodness, she hasn't done any 267 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: media interviews. Now, look, I would like her to do 268 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: media interviews, so don't get me wrong on that. But 269 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of standard political practice when you're 270 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 3: having a really good run. Don't do something screw it up, 271 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: just let it, just write it out. So, I mean, 272 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: it's hard to imagine why she would do anything other 273 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: than what she's doing. 274 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't totally make sense to me. I also think, 275 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: like Biden world really did have an endless fight with 276 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: the mainstream media, and I mean I think that has 277 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: made a lot of Democrats very mad at them in 278 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: a way not so dissimilarly from the way that Republicans. 279 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: Were mad at them. 280 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's true, but I mean I think undeniable. 281 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: The tenor of the media coverage has changed since my 282 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: withdrew from the race. This as usual is not some 283 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: ideologically driven thing. It's we colleagues in the media are 284 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: looking at poles, and he or she who polls better 285 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: gets better coverage. It's not how it should be That's 286 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: just how it always has been, it presumably always will be. 287 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: So when you've got momentum in the polls, you're going 288 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: to get better media coverage. So Donald Trump's complaints about 289 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: the easy ride she's got and the lovely drawing of 290 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: her on the cover of Time that looks like Milania 291 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: talking about getting under his skin. 292 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was baffling. 293 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: This is how coverage works. 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That's Politics as 321 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 4: Unusual dot bio. 322 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: You're Tandon is a domestic policy advisor to President Biden. 323 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics, New or attenantent. 324 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 5: So great to be with you. 325 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: So prescription drug pricing, what is going on? 326 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 6: Well, we are very excited to announce the first ten drugs. 327 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 5: That have been negotiated. 328 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 6: And this program is a product of the Inflation Reduction Act. 329 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 6: It gave power to Medicure to negotiate drug prices for 330 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 6: the first time ever. Before the Inflation Reduction Act, basically 331 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 6: Medicare was prohibited from negotiating drug prices, which meant that 332 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 6: pharmaceutical companies could really charge whatever they wanted and Medicare 333 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 6: would have to take that price. 334 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 5: And what that really meant was that seniors would have. 335 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 6: To face high drug prices because of that basically sweetheart 336 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 6: deal that pharma had negotiated. So that ended with the 337 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 6: Inflation Reduction Act and basically calls for Medicare negotiating ten 338 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 6: drugs this year, fifteen next year, and then based into 339 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 6: the future, twenty drugs a year. And we have the 340 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 6: results of the year long negotiation today and the President 341 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 6: and Vice President are announcing that these ten drugs are 342 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 6: going to deliver real savings. So because of the negotiation, 343 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 6: prices are going down forty to eighty percent for these 344 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 6: ten drugs. So a drug for diabetes that costs five 345 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 6: hundred dollars is now going to cost one hundred and 346 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 6: twenty dollars. So that is incredible savings that we will 347 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 6: be delivering for seniors and it is a product of 348 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 6: the leadership of the President the Vice president and a 349 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 6: Democratic progress a few years ago. 350 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: Why do you think this hasn't happened before. 351 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 5: Oh, well, I can tell you since I was previously. 352 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 6: I was an advocate for this when I was at 353 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 6: the Center for American Progress. And you know, I will say, advocates, 354 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 6: health policy leaders, lots of members of Congress have advocated 355 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 6: for this for years. 356 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 5: But it took a Democratic trifecta. 357 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 6: It took a president, a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic 358 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 6: House to finally beat Pharmas know. 359 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 5: Was pretty contentious issue. 360 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 6: And I will also say during the debate on the 361 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 6: Inflation Reduction Act, the pharmaceutical company spent over eight hundred 362 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 6: million dollars. 363 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 5: In ads to defeat these provisions. 364 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 6: In fact, when it came to the inflation production connect 365 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 6: and the various provisions, the provisions around pharmaceutical pricing, these 366 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 6: provisions were subject to the most ads of any much 367 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 6: more than the climate or any other provisions. And that's 368 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 6: because Barma had a significant stake in being able to 369 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 6: basically call the shots, really decide whatever price you want 370 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 6: to charge and just make seniors take it. And so 371 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 6: I will say took the leadership of people who believed 372 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 6: in these issues. 373 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 5: The President advocated for this. 374 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 6: Vice President's advocated for this, Democrats have advocated for this, 375 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 6: and again it took a Democratic perfecta to really deliver. 376 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 6: And I will remind your listeners that not a single 377 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 6: Republican voted for the Inflation Reduction Act. Every single voted No. 378 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 6: They attack these provisions. If they got their way, they 379 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 6: would repeal the entire Inflation Reduction Act, including these provisions 380 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 6: not to be parties in er anything. 381 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: So these provisions were in the Inflation Reduction Act. Yes, 382 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: how do you legislate negotiation like that, because that sounds complicated. 383 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 6: Basically, what the Inflation Reduction Act does is really give 384 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 6: THEMS the power to negotiate. It sets up a structure 385 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 6: for negotiation. It doesn't determine the prices. It just says 386 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 6: that these prices should be negotiated. And that's my strike 387 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 6: you as odd because Medicare negotiates for everything else on 388 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 6: the healthcare system. It negotiates the price of hospital payments, 389 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 6: that negotiates a price of services. What really happened here 390 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 6: is that prescription drugs got a sweetheart jail, a carve out. 391 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 6: That happened in the drug bill that was passed by 392 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 6: George W. Bush in the early thousands had provided a 393 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 6: prescription brug benefit and in that law it's specifically said 394 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 6: Medicare was prohibited from negotiating. And I think that was 395 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 6: basically a special carve out for pharmath paceutical companies. 396 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: I think I knew about this carve out, but it's insane. 397 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 6: It is insane, And what's crazy about it is that 398 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 6: the VA negotiates, the India Health Services negotiates, the DoD negotiates, 399 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 6: and over the last years pharmaceutical companies have run to 400 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 6: court to try to argue that these negotiations are somehow 401 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 6: anti capitalists, although last time I checked, when you're buying something, 402 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 6: negotiating for the price was pretty much the basic element 403 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 6: of capitalism. But the good news is every element, every 404 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 6: court that's looked at this, even with Republican nominated judges, 405 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 6: has affirmed that we have the CMS, Medicare has the 406 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 6: power to negotiate because it really is a basic element 407 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 6: here of what your government should be doing for you. 408 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: We have this Supreme Court very much loves to rewrite 409 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: the rules. Like I'm thinking about Chevron and I'm thinking 410 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: about you know, their famous for their obsession with just 411 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: like being the highest core and doing whatever they want 412 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: with that, you know, anything that's really successful. 413 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: I feel like they want to sort of undermine. Are 414 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: you worried they're going to step in here? 415 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 6: Well, I always worry about a over zealous Sipperport. I'm 416 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 6: really not worried when it comes to our ability to 417 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 6: deliver lower prices for prescription drugs, because these lower drug 418 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 6: prices are a product of a law change, not rulemaking. 419 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 6: And so that's why Republican judges, a series of Republican 420 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 6: judges and pretty conservative parts of Potentiary, Ohio and other 421 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 6: places have Republican nominated judges have really, you know, dismissed 422 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 6: pharma's arguments in these cases. We have close to a 423 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 6: dozen lawsuits, and every single one of the rulings so 424 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 6: far has been in favor of the administration and its 425 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 6: ability to negotiate prices. And I think that's basically a 426 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 6: fundamental fact that Congress passed a law and we are 427 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 6: implementing it. Really in this circumstance, it is the power 428 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 6: the government has elsewhere. It has been negotiating drug prices 429 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 6: as part of DoD via Indian Health Services for years, 430 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 6: decades really, and we're just saying that seniors should get 431 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 6: as good a deal as veterans or service members or 432 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 6: other people who are subject to those negotiations. And it 433 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 6: seems that's pretty common sense to me. And I really 434 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 6: think that a Supreme Court would have to debuck a 435 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 6: lot of these district judges, which seems very remote to me. 436 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: All of these mainstream media publications are holding all of 437 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: this email that was hacked from the Trump campaign or whatever. 438 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: As someone who's lived through this, how irritating is this 439 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: to you? 440 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 6: I think on a scale of one to ten irritating, 441 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 6: it's at seventy seven. 442 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 5: Obviously it's insane. 443 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 6: I'm not here, you know, I'm here in my official capacities, 444 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 6: So I can't really into all the details of this, 445 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 6: and obviously this is really an issue that plagued me 446 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 6: in my past. But I will say that I am 447 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 6: having a hard time, just as a general reader of 448 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 6: the news, to understand the coherent position of news media 449 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 6: outlets from what they did in twenty sixteen and what 450 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 6: they are doing today. Maybe the best approach would be 451 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 6: to say they were wrong in twenty sixteen. 452 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 5: That might be an approach. You wrong for what they did. 453 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 2: We haven't seen any apologies. 454 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 6: Yet I've yet to read any mea culplas personally, and 455 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 6: you know I would dine out on those MEA couplas 456 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 6: for quite a while. But say, in all seriousness, I 457 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 6: do think that this lack of transparency and decision making 458 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 6: does feed as some cynicism. And you know, the President 459 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: didn't event yesterday with influencers, and we talked about the 460 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 6: trust that influencers have with an audience, and no, I mean, 461 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 6: I think one of the elements of a lack of 462 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 6: trust in some media institutions is that there is no 463 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 6: transparency about the decisions they make, and there's no accountability 464 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 6: for oh, maybe we got this wrong, or we handled 465 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 6: the Iraq war coverage badly, or we handled Russian hacking badly. 466 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 6: I appreciate the interest of the press to press political 467 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 6: leaders when they are inconsistent, but perhaps they could look 468 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 6: themselves as well. 469 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: One of the things about the Biden White House is 470 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: that they're very heavy on policy. 471 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: Right. 472 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: If you look at the economic self landing, that doesn't 473 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: happen without a lot of fiscal policy, right, that doesn't 474 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: happen without ships and all this infrastructure investing is what 475 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: kept our economy humming along when in the UK their 476 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: inflation I mean, it was I think in some ways 477 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: a big gamble, but it turned out to not be inflationary, 478 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: and our inflationary numbers are like the envy of the world. 479 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: And so the mainstream media talking point right now, which 480 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: I think is driven by Trump's press conference last week 481 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: where he said, why won't Harris give interviews? 482 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: I'm the only one who could give interviews. 483 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: She can't give interviews obviously, to fucking give interviews, but like, 484 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: I just wonder, I mean, like, yeah, she's a sex 485 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: crimes prosecutor and a famous for her interviews of Trump 486 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: administrative people, right, Like, she can fucking give an interview. 487 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: But you know, it was so hard for Biden world 488 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: to get out policy stuff through the media because they 489 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: just didn't. 490 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: Cover it or weren't interested in it. 491 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: And I wonder how they don't have any anxiety about 492 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: now criticizing Harris for they feel she doesn't have enough 493 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: policy when she's part of the administration with all the policy. 494 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: Can you explain this to me? 495 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 6: You know, this is that's an interesting thing to me 496 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 6: because I have to say, in the last two years, 497 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 6: the question I've probably gotten the most premier borders is 498 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,239 Speaker 6: why do people not know about this great accomplishment that 499 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 6: you've announced? 500 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 5: And I have to just tell you. 501 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 6: It's like I feel like saying, would you pick up 502 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 6: a mirror and look into it? It's my response because 503 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 6: the reason why you know it's so odd is SyncE, 504 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 6: there's this thing that actually communicates what political leaders do 505 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 6: or public officials, and what is that? 506 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 5: I can't remember? Just felled. Oh yeah, it's the press. 507 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 5: Perhaps the you know, the press. 508 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 6: Can at test, can actually just communicate what we're doing 509 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 6: instead of the motives of why we're doing it, or 510 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 6: the politics of what's happening, or the ups and downs 511 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 6: of the political system. And you know, I think here 512 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 6: is a great example. And I think sometimes reporters are like, oh, 513 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 6: this is a big deal, but here, let me today 514 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 6: is a great day. It is a great test. 515 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: Right. 516 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 6: The President is announcing the negotiate drug prices, which will 517 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 6: deliver lower prices for seniors. So it's a top concern 518 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 6: for seniors. This is the top concern for the public. 519 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 6: There's no pulling that says this is a minor issue. 520 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 6: This is a significant concern. When people think about their costs, 521 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 6: they think about their food prices, they think about gas, 522 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 6: but they also think about things like prescription drugs and 523 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 6: how crazy it is that they have to pay so 524 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 6: much money for prescription drugs in this country versus other countries. 525 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 6: And the President has said multiple times that it's wrong 526 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 6: that Americans have to pay two to three times what 527 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 6: other countries, and he is delivering crisis that will be 528 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 6: close to what other countries pay. We're reducing costs by 529 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 6: a half to a third for these drugs, and so 530 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 6: you know there's more to do for drug prices writ large, 531 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 6: but this is a sea change. The ability to ensure 532 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 6: that pharmaceutical companies don't get to charge whatever they want 533 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 6: is a sea change, and we will build on it. 534 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 6: But here's a great example of how this is an 535 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 6: area where there's keen interest. So it'll be great to 536 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 6: see all the coverage of this issue because people really 537 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 6: do care, and I imagine we'll break through, but I 538 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 6: hope it will as. 539 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: Well, right, And I think that's a really good point. 540 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: And in fact, it's funny because I watch c SPAN. 541 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: I actually they cover all of Biden's speeches, or almost 542 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: all of them, so people would always be like he's hiding, 543 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I watched him yesterday 544 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: in Da DA Day. 545 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 6: I have the same experience. I would tell people all 546 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 6: the time, he actually does events every day. You don't 547 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 6: see them on your TV. But that's a decision that someone. 548 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 5: Else is making. It's actually he is viewing those bests. 549 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 6: So, you know, I would say that on all of 550 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 6: these issues, I think it's really you know, I think 551 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 6: there's multiple aspects of them. But I'd also say, look, 552 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 6: the Vice president has been doing a ton of events 553 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 6: over the last couple of weeks, and you know, people 554 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 6: should listen to those speeches. Those speeches she's talking about now. 555 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 6: When she's president, she will restore row, she will raise 556 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 6: the minimum wage. She will ensure that we have affordable childcare. 557 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 6: She'll pass ay leave, She'll pass the Voting Rights Act, 558 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 6: the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. She'll pass the pro Act, 559 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 6: which is protect unions. She has a robust agenda. She's 560 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 6: talked about providing a two thousand dollars cap on prescription 561 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 6: drugs for all Americans, not just seniors. You know, I 562 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 6: just think if you listen to her, she's talked about 563 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 6: a lot of policies that would make up a robust 564 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 6: you know, first hundred days, first six months, first year, 565 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 6: and obviously I think she's going to do more of that. 566 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 6: It's going to lay out ideas. But this whole idea 567 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 6: that she hasn't been talking about ideas and it's like, 568 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 6: what are we talking about? Why you look at one 569 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 6: of her speeches, She's been crystal clear. It's not like 570 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 6: she's just like the speeches are forty five minutes, so 571 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 6: I'm just doing joy. She's in terms of how she's 572 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 6: going to deliver as a president, and you know, I 573 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 6: will say, having worked with her, she's a practical person 574 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 6: that wants to deliver results. And that's the approach I 575 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 6: think she will take. I don't speak for her, you know, 576 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 6: I defer to the campaign, but just from my proach 577 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 6: over here, she's going to be focused, like the laser 578 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 6: being on delivering results for the American people. And her 579 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 6: experience with being the tie breaking boat on the Inflation 580 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 6: Reduction Act and ensuring that we are getting this done. 581 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 6: You know, she'll have a wealth of experience to build them. 582 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: Why do Democrats seem to have the market on joy? 583 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: Now? 584 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 6: I think we have the market on joy for two reasons. 585 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 5: One. 586 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 6: You know, I've known the Vice president for a long time. 587 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 6: I've known her since she was California Attorney General. And 588 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 6: you know, I think she is a person that is 589 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 6: sober on results, but pretty joyful when it comes to 590 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 6: process and trying to deliver her you know, she's really 591 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 6: trying to pull people into a process and into her efforts, 592 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 6: and usually she understands the way to do that is 593 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 6: make them feel good about the experience, that make them 594 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 6: feel terrible, and you know, might help that. 595 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 5: There's a kind of a little bit of a. 596 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 6: Contrast with Donald Trump these days oherance. 597 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 5: Just as an observer. 598 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 6: You know, when you look at the last fifty so 599 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 6: year sixty years, the candidates, a lot of the Democratic 600 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 6: nominees for president have been joyful warriors who are optimistic 601 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 6: about the future. 602 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 5: We talk about the future. 603 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 6: We talk about how we move this country together and 604 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 6: move it forward. And you know, I think she's really 605 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 6: well in the line of Democrats who've done that and 606 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 6: done that effectively. 607 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: Thank you, Near tandem, You're the best. By dunk Matt, 608 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: You're the best. 609 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how 610 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: awful Trump's second term? 611 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: Could be. 612 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 1: Well, so are we, which is why we teamed up 613 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: with iHeart to make a limited series with the experts 614 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: on what a disaster Project twenty twenty five would be 615 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: for America's future. Right now, we have just released the 616 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: final episode of this five episode series. They are all 617 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: available by looking up Molly Jong Fast Project twenty twenty 618 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: five on YouTube and if you are more of a 619 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: podcast person and not say a YouTuber, you can hit 620 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: play and put your phone in the lock screen and 621 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: it will play. 622 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: Back just like a podcast. All five episodes are online now. 623 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: We need to educate Americans on what Trump's second term 624 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: would or could do to this. 625 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: Country, so please watch it and spread the word. 626 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: Mandara Jones is a candidate for New York's seventeenth congressional district. 627 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Monda Jones, thanks. 628 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 7: For having me again Molly's on Fast. 629 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 1: The bad news is that Mondae and I are actually friends, 630 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: So this is going to be a really tough interview 631 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: filled with lots of terrifying No, I'm just kidding. 632 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: It will be the same for everyone. 633 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 7: I will say, despite being friends, which kind of originated 634 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 7: through these interviews, you still have tough conversations with me, 635 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 7: which I think is really important for journalism. 636 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: Right Oh, we're both realistic about what the world looks 637 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: like right now, and that I think is really the 638 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: most important thing. So first, let's talk about your race. 639 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: You were in Congress for two years. Then your seat 640 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: became redistricted in a very fucked up and an annoying 641 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: way by the actions of a guy called Andrew Cuomo, 642 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: who punted the redistricting to a nonpartisan committee that was 643 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: ten years in the future and who even knew where 644 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: any of us would be in ten years. While it 645 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: turned out we would be here, and they redistricted your seat. 646 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: Tell us what happened next. 647 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 7: I'm running to get my old seat back in the 648 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 7: seventeenth District of New York. It is the Lower Hudson Valley, 649 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 7: just north of New York City. It is a district 650 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 7: that is overwhelmingly pro choice, and my opponent, Mike Lawler, 651 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 7: won by just eighteen hundred and twenty votes against Then 652 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 7: the chair of the diatri will see Sean Patrick Maloney 653 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 7: under unusual redistricting circumstances like you were alluding to, Molly, 654 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 7: and it turns out we got to get this seat 655 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 7: back if we're going to have a Democratic Congress for 656 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 7: what will hopefully be a Kamala Harris presidency next January, 657 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 7: I'm really excited to be making the case that we 658 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 7: don't need an extremist who pretends to be a moderate 659 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 7: on Morning Joe, but who votes just like the Maga 660 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 7: Republicans in Congress. And by the way, that's not just 661 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 7: on abortion, Molly, that's on access to Social Security and Medicare. Yeah, 662 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 7: Mike Lawler voted to open the baseless impeach for an 663 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 7: angry into President Joe Biden, wasting your tax payer dollars, 664 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 7: my taxpayer dollars, all of our taxpayer dollars. This is 665 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 7: the Party of just a restraint, allegedly, but that's who 666 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 7: we're dealing with. And again, we don't take back the 667 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 7: House if we don't flip. 668 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: The seat, right, So I want you to explain to 669 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: our listeners because there are these like five or six 670 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: congressional seats in New York where they sort of control 671 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: how that House goes. And Lawler has sort of tried 672 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: to pay himself as more of a centrist, but his 673 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: voting record, he has never once said like, oh, I'm not. 674 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: Going to vote for this because I come from a 675 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: purple distruct right. 676 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 7: That is correct for someone who speaks often about how 677 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 7: different he is from the rest of his party. Recently, 678 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 7: he was even caught on camera campaigning for Donald Trump 679 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 7: and Jadie Vance when he thought the cameras were off 680 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 7: and saying that Democrats hate America. It's unsurprising that someone 681 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 7: who feels that way about a plurality of the voters 682 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 7: in his district, by the way, because Democrats do outnumber 683 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 7: Republicans in this district by eighty thousand, would also be 684 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 7: voting to cut funding for Headstart. And because he's never 685 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 7: stood up to Donald Trump and day in his life, 686 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 7: and in fact is supporting him for the third consecutive 687 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 7: presidential election cycle, would be a reliable vote for a 688 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 7: Project twenty twenty five agenda. You can imagine that. 689 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get it. 690 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: And so I'm hoping you can sort of explain to 691 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: us sort of what his appeal is. 692 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 7: Well, I think that people in this country are tired 693 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 7: of artisanship round extremism. Yeah, I think that's right, Mike Lawler. 694 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 7: He tries to remind people of a time that is 695 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 7: no longer possible within the Republican Party because it has 696 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 7: been transformed by MAGA extremists. When he talks about introducing 697 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 7: legislation with a member of my party, for example, it 698 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 7: is smoke and mirrors because it never becomes law under 699 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 7: this Maga Republican majority. It's why his most recent ad 700 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 7: on television does not speak to any legislative accomplishments of his. 701 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 7: We know that the Republican majority of this term in 702 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 7: Congress is the least productive not just in modern history, 703 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 7: but according to one publication, since the Civil War. So 704 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 7: instead he pivots to say he stops you know, Cappy 705 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 7: Hope Will from doing this thing, which of course he 706 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 7: cannot take credit for. 707 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: I mean, so we're talking about congestion pricing, right, yeah, 708 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: by the way, something that is so weirdly controversial. 709 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: But yeah. 710 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: So the idea here is that Hokal, who's a pretty 711 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: unpopular governor, wanted congestion pricing. She actually stopped it for 712 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: any number of reasons, and somehow Mike Lawler feels that 713 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: this was his victory. 714 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 7: He has taken credit for something that he cannot take 715 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 7: credit for. It speaks to his lack of legislative accomplishment. 716 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 7: Here's what people in my district want to see. We 717 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 7: want to see lower costs, We want to see a 718 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 7: border secured. We want to see our healthcare not taken 719 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 7: away from us by people like Mike Lawler, who cheered 720 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 7: the overturning of Roe v. Wade, supports allowing politicians to 721 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 7: ban abortion even here in the state of New York, 722 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 7: and opposed the Affordable Care Act so literally his physician 723 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 7: would kick millions of Americans off their health insurance plans 724 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 7: and once again allow insurance companies in states like New 725 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 7: York to discriminate against people who have pre existing conditions 726 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 7: like answer and ask. That is the very definition of extremism. 727 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 7: And while he's not getting asked any of these tough 728 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 7: questions on some of the televisions shows he's appearing on, 729 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 7: I'm so grateful that people here in the seventeenth Congressional 730 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 7: district are finding out. We're finding out in rock With, 731 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 7: We're finding out in northern West Sister, We're finding out 732 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 7: in Putnam County, We're finding out in parts of Dutchess County, 733 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 7: which are also in the seventeenth congressionals. 734 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: One of the things he wants to tie you to 735 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: is that you are bad on crime. I want you 736 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 1: to like really talk. 737 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: That through with us, like some of the everything what 738 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 2: that is about. 739 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 7: I would love to talk about this. I relish this 740 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 7: conversation about public safety. 741 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: You do have a law degree from an Ivy League institution, 742 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: just pointing that out. I know we're not fans of 743 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: the Ivy League here. 744 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 7: But you know, Mike Lawler has voted on three different 745 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 7: occasions to cut funding the law enforcement, opposes an assault 746 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 7: weapons ban, which obviously would improve public safety if we 747 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 7: were to ever enact into law, and would never vote 748 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 7: for a Speaker of the House who would allow a 749 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 7: floor vote on a universal background checks bill. Mike Lawler 750 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 7: is out here to lying saying that you know, Democrats 751 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 7: want to defund the police, when my record in Congress 752 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 7: is one of consistently voting for record levels of police 753 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 7: fund and thank god, people here in the Lower Hudson Valley, 754 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 7: to say nothing of the rest of this country do 755 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 7: support accountability for anyone with the weight of government behind that. 756 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think there were times in American life 757 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: where if you would vote for, for example, like Mike Johnson, 758 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House, is this wild extremist right 759 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: he has all these wild extremist views that are super religious. 760 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: You know, he's part of this like Kingdom of I 761 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: don't know if he's in the Kingdom of Heaven, but 762 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: he flew that crazy flag. 763 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: He's really a zalot. 764 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: Now, the Republican Party is you know, there are certainly 765 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: a huge group of Zalots in that party. But I 766 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: just wonder like there were times when if you were 767 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: trying to masquerade as a moderate Republican in the Democratic district, 768 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: you would not vote for that parton soon as Speaker 769 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: of the House, and he did emphatically. 770 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 7: So can you talk about that The most important vote 771 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 7: that any member of Congress takes is at the beginning 772 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 7: of the congressional term, and it's to elect a Speaker 773 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 7: of the House now, And in this case, Republicans went 774 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 7: through a few iterations in that because they couldn't keep 775 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 7: a Speaker of a House for even a year's time. 776 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 7: And we saw Mike Lawler say he proudly voted for 777 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 7: the most extreme Speaker of the House in modern history, 778 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 7: a guy named Mike Johnson, who I would argue is 779 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 7: is Jim Jordan with the jacket. Jim Jordan famously doesn't 780 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 7: like to wear suit jackets. I know this because I 781 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,439 Speaker 7: served with him on the House Judiciary Committee. He also said, 782 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 7: by the way, that he would have voted for Jim 783 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 7: Jordan had the votes been there. So this is someone 784 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 7: who has never when the rubber meets the road, distinguished 785 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 7: himself from the extreme MAGA Republicans. And the bar for 786 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 7: moderation cannot be in hell model. It can't simply be 787 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 7: that you acknowledge that Joe Biden is the President of 788 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 7: the United States. It has to be more than that. 789 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 7: It has to be based on policy. You can't get 790 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 7: away with supporting a convicted felon, never calling out his 791 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 7: anti Semitism, never calling out just the attempts to overturn 792 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 7: the next election, which he will not commit to supporting 793 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 7: the certification of it is really o Jesus, Like Donald 794 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 7: Trump refuses to commit to supporting the certification of this 795 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 7: upcoming presidential election, and Mike Lawler is supporting Donald Trump. 796 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 2: Right, that's right. 797 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: And he did pose with a cake with his face 798 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: on it, which in itself I think is disqualifying. 799 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just for a real talk for a minute, 800 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 2: would you pose with a cake with anyone's face on it? 801 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 7: Like it just feels so sycophantic and disturbing when you 802 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 7: talk about zelotry. This is what we're dealing with here. 803 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 7: We got someone who has been a career political hack 804 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 7: for most of his life. 805 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 2: What did he do before he was in Congress? 806 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 7: He was an oil and gas lobbyist and had a 807 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 7: you know, all right, I Jen laugh by the way, 808 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 7: has been voting like an oil and gad's lobbyist in Congress. 809 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 7: He was the executive director of a state Republican Party, 810 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 7: and in the midst of all of that was trolling 811 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 7: like Hillary Clinton and Maggie abermittt on Twitter and denying 812 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 7: climate change. So then you wake up one day and 813 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 7: you're in a district where Biden defeated Donald Trump by 814 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 7: ten points, and now you're having to hide your extremism 815 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 7: unless Democrats find out that you're not who they thought 816 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 7: you were in this district and you you know, have 817 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 7: not fulfilled your promises and so are going to vote 818 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 7: you out as we will in November of this. 819 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 2: Year, right all right? And I think that's a really 820 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,720 Speaker 2: good point. 821 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: One of the things I'm struck by is, like I 822 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: look at the attacks right now on Tim Walls, who is, 823 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, just the sort of like most kind of 824 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: affable Midwestern guy. And I'm struck by how much these 825 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: Republicans facts are not involved in any of this right, 826 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: like they've seen from like swift voting John Carey, who 827 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: had three purple hearts, that like they can like live 828 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: in this factory universe. Maybe because of Donald Trump, maybe 829 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: because there is no more local news. 830 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know why, But do you find that 831 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 2: that you get attacks like that, and also how do 832 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 2: you respond to them? 833 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 7: I think it's really important to cut through the noise 834 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 7: and to focus on what matters to voters. This is 835 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 7: familiar to me because I grew up in one of 836 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 7: the poor parts of this district, which is in otherwise 837 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 7: quite well to do district. You know, I know what 838 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 7: it's like to need this broken economy to work for 839 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 7: families like mine. And so whenever I attempted to respond 840 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 7: to smear campaigns and disinformation and other forms of nonsense, 841 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 7: I had to remind myself and also my campaign manager 842 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 7: reminds me that what matters the voters right is how 843 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 7: you were going to help them on the table, how 844 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 7: you are going to help them cover their their rent 845 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 7: or their mortgage. You know how you are going to 846 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 7: protect basic freedoms like women's reproductive healthcare and LGBTQ plus rights. 847 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 7: That is how you win an election. And I'm so 848 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 7: excited to see and to hear rather that Kamala Harris 849 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 7: on Friday of this week is going to be announcing 850 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 7: an anti price gouging proposal to deal with the market 851 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 7: manipulation of these meat companies and oil and gas companies 852 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 7: that have been charging way more than inflation would require 853 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 7: under the circumstances of the past few years. Are certainly 854 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 7: where we are today. I mean, we have identified the 855 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,919 Speaker 7: people who are responsible for oiling gas and groceries being 856 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 7: way too expensive, and now it's really important to stand 857 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 7: up to powerful corporate special interests which to capture Mike 858 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 7: Lawlers sadly, well, it. 859 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 2: Sounds like he was always captured by them. 860 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 7: He was them in Facsis. 861 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 862 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're an oil and gas lobbyist, I mean, 863 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, that sounds like pretty dubious, Are you gone? 864 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 2: Sorry? 865 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 7: No, No, that's really the point there. And I'm really 866 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 7: excited for this economic proposal that I've been reading about. 867 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 7: It's something that I had been working on as a 868 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 7: member of the Anti Trust Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee. 869 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 7: People understand vaguely that corporations are being treated under a 870 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 7: different standard than everyday folks, a more favorable standard to corporations, 871 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 7: but they don't typically understand all of the excess and 872 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 7: the manipulation of the marketplace that they have been engaging, 873 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 7: And so it's really important to name that and to 874 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 7: identify mechanisms that the federal government can use to lower 875 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 7: costs for working people in their everyday lives. 876 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 2: Right exactly. 877 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: And I think it is a really good point that 878 00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 1: we just are so in the kind of moment now 879 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: where we need these solutions and the government can provide them. 880 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,240 Speaker 2: You endorsed George Latimer. 881 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 7: Tell me why I was privileged to represent at least 882 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 7: one hundred thousand people in the sixteenth Congressional District, which 883 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 7: is right next to my south of mine here in 884 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 7: the seventeen and obviously have a very deep connection to 885 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 7: the Jewish community throughout the Lower Hudson Valley. I grew 886 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 7: up in Rockland County and just have been distraught by 887 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 7: the events of October seventh and the events that have 888 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 7: unfolded since and the failure of leadership when it comes 889 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 7: to some members of Congress, and more than just a 890 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,760 Speaker 7: failure of leadership, I think there are members of Congress 891 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 7: who have actively inflamed tensions and frankly have wittingly or 892 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 7: otherwise caused members of the Jewish community to feel less safe. 893 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 7: We add have still to the end of the year, 894 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 7: a member of Congress in the sixteenth Congressional District, the 895 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 7: person who George Latimer defeated in that primary that you 896 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 7: just referenced, who said that Hamas didn't commit sexual assault. 897 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 7: He described it as propertyanded that was not only very 898 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 7: hurtful to people of good conscience, not just in the 899 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 7: Jewish community, but sort of representative sadly of the way 900 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 7: that that member of Congress, Jamal Bowman, has engaged I 901 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 7: think with the US Israel relationship, which to me is 902 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 7: still a very important relationship, even as some people would 903 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,760 Speaker 7: undermine that. And this isn't to say that you shouldn't 904 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 7: care about Palace any human rights or advocate with palast 905 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 7: inning human rights. No one has Eversene. But it is 906 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 7: to say that there has to be a thoughtfulness and 907 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,280 Speaker 7: that when you go about your advocacy, that you don't 908 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,240 Speaker 7: make people feel or actually become unsafe in the process. 909 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 7: You know, there's been a lot of stuff on these 910 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 7: college campuses that are also very distressing. Not to pay 911 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 7: with the broad brush of people who are exercising their 912 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 7: First Amendment rights, but there has absolutely been harassment of 913 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,320 Speaker 7: Jewish students, and there's been an effort, i think, on 914 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 7: the far left to try to, you know, just ignore 915 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 7: that or omit it from. 916 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 3: The narrative and act like that's not happening. 917 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 7: And what I'm hearing from Jewish residents of the Lower 918 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 7: Hudson Valley is that they want people in Congress, people 919 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,800 Speaker 7: running for office, to send up against anti Semitism, stand 920 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 7: up for a thoughtful, nuanced leadership. And that is what 921 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:23,319 Speaker 7: I've been doing. 922 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 2: Right good point, Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, 923 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 2: thank you. Mandar Jones, thanks for having me. 924 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 7: No moment. 925 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon, So, mister j. D. D. 926 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,800 Speaker 4: Van's very bad choice for vice president. 927 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 2: He was a good choice. Well, depending on how you look. 928 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 4: Here's some bad analysis for us on women and how 929 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 4: they vote. 930 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 2: Friends. One of my dear friends tonight said to me, well, 931 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 2: all these suburban women, all these suburban women, all they 932 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 2: care about is abortion, and they don't understand. The decision 933 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 2: is with the states. Now, it's not banned nationally. People 934 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 2: somebody wanted to be banned nationally. It's with the States. 935 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 3: What do you say to. 936 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: Suburban women out there who are marinating in this propaganda. 937 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't buy that, Laura. 938 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: I think the most suberbal women care about the normal 939 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: things that most Americans care about. Right, Yes, most normal 940 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: women don't care about bodily autonomy. So look, Trump has 941 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,800 Speaker 1: also been saying that same thing. He's been saying abortion 942 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: isn't a big issue anymore. Everyone's over it, and I 943 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: think he is over it. But you know, if you're 944 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: a pregnant woman who can't get can't get prenatal care 945 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: in your first trimester, I don't think you're over it. 946 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: And if you're a if you have a daughter who 947 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: was sent home from the hospital while having a miscarriage 948 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: because they can't give her a methapristone, which is the 949 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,320 Speaker 1: way to treat a miscarriage, because the doctors are worried 950 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: that they're going to get in trouble, I don't think 951 00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 1: you're over it. And I actually think that, like these 952 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 1: Republicans really want women voters to be over it, but 953 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't think you guys are over it. That's it 954 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 1: for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, 955 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: and Friday to hear the best minds in politics makes 956 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard, 957 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 958 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: And again, thanks for listening.