1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: My own lived experience, was I prefer to the point 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: where I jeopardize my career. Is I prefer the cannabis 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: because it felt more like I was taking care of 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: myself than the pills, where I felt more like I 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: was masking stuff. 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Right, Wow, that's real. 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 3: Lava for Good and Stand Together Music present The War 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 3: on Drugs Podcast Season two. This season, we're diving deeper 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: into the real stories behind the War on Drugs, its impact, 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: its failures, and the people offering a better path forward. 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: Today on the show, two time All American Texas Longhorn 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: and nineteen ninety eight Heisman Trophy winner, two thousand and 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 3: two NFL League Leader in rushing, All Pro and Pro 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 3: Bowl selectee for the Miami Dolphins, and longtime cannabis advocate 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: mister Ricky Williams. 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 4: All Right, welcome to season two of The War on Drugs. 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we're talking to real people. We get to 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 5: hear their real stories about how they've been impacted by 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 5: the world. 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: And you know, we're fighting it. We're working the world. 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 5: It's still waged, it's going, but we're still fighting a 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 5: good fight. 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 3: We're gonna kick it off with one that I know 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: we were both really excited to talk to. Oh yeah, 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 3: Ricky Williams, former Texas running back. Yes, uh NFL running back. 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: I'm a big Ravens fan. He played with the Ravens 27 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: for a little bit, Saints, all these other teams, and 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: I remember like those interviews that he was doing because 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: there was so much pressure like on people don't know 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: the Saints. Essentially New Orleans Saints traded like their entire 31 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: draft to move up to get this guy. 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: He was the only draft pick. 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 4: Like it was there, literally their only draft traded, and 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 4: so everything was on like the team was I don't 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 4: even know. 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: They won maybe like two games of a year before 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: they stunk, and this was like the savior and the 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: media was just all around him and it was not 39 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: used to have interviews like his helmet on Advisor and 40 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: like so you could and people that you know, it's 41 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: just like, oh look at look at crazy guy. 42 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: He doesn't like people. 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, you look at those old interviews. They weren't that 44 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 4: from that long ago. 45 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: Like the lack of knowledge like it actually helps sometimes 46 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: and know like we are moving in a good direction 47 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: kind of seeing like how people talked about him back then, 48 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: like he would not be talked about that way now right, 49 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: someone was saying, then there'd be a bunch of people 50 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: being like, obviously this is someone dealing with either is 51 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: you know, like we are the problem. You know, there 52 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: would be like something back and forth. Then it was 53 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: just like look at this loopy yeah. 54 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know if this is where it 55 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 5: came from, but it definitely is the sentiment from the 56 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 5: sports journalists when you look at like Steven A. Smith, 57 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 5: stay off the weed, like and it's like, man, you 58 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 5: need some weed. Yeah, because you're yelling this early in 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 5: the morning, like you wake up this loud, Like my 60 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: son wakes up that loud, and it is terrible. 61 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's it's crazy the world. You know, 62 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: it's twenty years ago about that he was. And you 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: know back then the NFL, you could be suspended for 64 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: cannabis for a long time. 65 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: Super strict, yeah they. 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was arbitrary the way that's testing now 67 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: that we know where you have a certain amount in 68 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: your system, and it was and we as we know, 69 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: like it's they try to almost do it as like 70 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: other drugs that are water soluble, like you know. 71 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 4: Like cocaine or something like that. 72 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, in there, but you have cannabis in your system 73 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: or in your urine and test positive, you know, months after, 74 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: And so they're doing it on these arbitrary notions. I 75 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 3: know they've laxed it obviously. Moving forward, they've made changes 76 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: where they don't suspend anymore, they required you know, more violations. 77 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: Or they reduce the amount that could be in your 78 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 5: system right exactly drastically, yeah, yeah, yeah. 79 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 4: Or they increase the amount. Yeah yeah, they increase the amount. 80 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 81 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 5: And really the reason that a lot of these things 82 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 5: have been changed is partly because of you know, his advocacy. 83 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 5: And I mean I look back in two thousand and 84 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 5: four and like I said, I just know the story 85 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 5: from through the media and how they painted it, and 86 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 5: it wasn't really social media like it is, so he 87 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 5: could never really come out and kind of tell his story. 88 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 5: You see them on one interview here, our interview here, 89 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 5: and you can just gather what you can from a 90 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 5: ten minute interview. But to actually be able to say, hey, 91 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: this is what happened, this is what I was doing, 92 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 5: this is why I was doing it, It's a whole 93 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 5: different thing. And I think a lot of people didn't 94 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 5: have that as an outlet, and I think that's the 95 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 5: difference now that people can get their story, you know, out. 96 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: There with that Ricky Williams, here's the interview. 97 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: What's going on, man? Thank you for having me. Man. 98 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 5: It's beautiful out here, beautiful home, beautiful area. I don't 99 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 5: want to tell anybody where you are right now because 100 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 5: we want to keep it as peaceful as possible. 101 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: We do not want people out here. Man, it's too peaceful. Man. 102 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 5: Great to have you here. Heisman Trophy winner, pro Bowler 103 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 5: advocate for the people, Ricky Williams, Glad to have you here, Man, 104 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 5: good to be here. Yes, yes, I guess I got 105 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 5: to hear it from you because we hear your story, 106 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 5: especially somebody that was as prolific as you were in 107 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 5: the sport. We hear their narration, their story of what happened. 108 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 5: But can I get at least part of that from you? 109 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 5: From San Diego to Texas to New Orleans to where 110 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 5: we're at now. Yeah, you give us the the Ricky 111 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 5: Williams story in his own words. 112 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 6: Okay. 113 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I grew up and I grew up in 114 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: San Diego, raised by a single mom. As a kid, 115 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: young kid, I had a dream that I would be 116 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: a professional athlete. But at the time, I thought it 117 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: would be a professional baseball player. Okay, big big Padres fan. 118 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: Played Little League, and then when I got to eighth grade, 119 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: I started playing football for the first time, and after 120 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: a couple of years, I was really good. So I 121 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: was really good at baseball football. Got to high school, 122 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: and I'm a big Bo Jackson fan, So my dream was. 123 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 6: To play baseball and Footballah. 124 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: I got drafted by the Phillies, got a chance to 125 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: play some baseball, and I got a scholarship to go 126 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: to the University of Texas to play football. At the time, 127 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: I thought I would just play college football and then 128 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: when I was done, I would go be a professional 129 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: baseball player. But I had so much success on the 130 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: football field and not enough success on the baseball diamond 131 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: that it kind of got flipped and I gave up baseball. 132 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 6: And I stuck with football. 133 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: Then I went to the got drafted the big all 134 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: the trade from the Saints and Mike dickerd traded everything 135 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: and the next year's first round fish everybody you're drafted. Yeah, 136 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: I was only a couple of free agents, but I 137 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: was the. 138 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 6: Only draft pick. Yeah. 139 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: And then I had had three so so years in 140 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: New Orleans, had a lot of injuries. Then I got 141 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: traded in Miami, and that first year in Miami really 142 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: took off, led the NFL and Russian Pro Bowl, All Pro, 143 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: all that good stuff. And then I came back for 144 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: my second year in Miami, and to me, it kind 145 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: of started before then. But really the story started that 146 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: second year, my second year in Miami, because what occurred 147 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: in the first year of Miami is I failed a 148 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: drug test and I was put in the NFL's drug program. 149 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 5: But let me, I'm sorry not to cut you off, 150 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 5: but you failed to drug test after putting up ridiculous numbers. 151 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: It was right before I put up the right before, 152 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: right before I okay, okay, the timing of it was 153 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: was interesting. So now that's the kind of the football 154 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: story up to a certain point. Now I'm going to 155 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: tell more of the cannabis side of the store. So, 156 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: growing up, my stepdad was a rosta and so and 157 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: I was a huge, huge Bob Marley fan. So my 158 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: first my first relationship with cannabis was not as a consumer. 159 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 6: It was just appreciating two. 160 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: Wise men who I respected who used cannabis. 161 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 6: First book I ever read front to back. 162 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: Was Bob Martley's biography, so I was like in it. 163 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: But because I was a professional, I mean because I 164 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,119 Speaker 1: wanted to be a professional athlete and I was AH 165 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: and I grew up in the eighties. 166 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 6: Just say no, they didn't. They didn't mix. They didn't 167 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 6: mix in my in my head. And also I grew 168 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 6: up in San Diego, so it was it was all around. 169 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 6: It was all around. 170 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: And I had a couple of friends that smoke, So 171 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: I probably smoked three or four times before I left 172 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: high school. 173 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 6: That's it. 174 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: I get to college and I started noticing that sometimes 175 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: on Fridays the guys would go to my to sean 176 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: the other running back storm room and shoot dice and 177 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: pass a blown around. And so I was just trying 178 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: to be cool with the upperclassmates. I you know, mix 179 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: it up with them. But again, maybe ten times. And 180 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: then I get to my senior year, my senior year 181 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: in college, and I came back from my senior year 182 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: because I wanted to win the Heisman Trophy. 183 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 6: And the season started off kind of bumpy, you know. 184 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: I had a couple of rough games, broke up with 185 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: my girl, and I just was in a really bad place, 186 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: like why did I come back? 187 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: You know? 188 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 6: I was like, lo. 189 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: My roommate was a smoker, so he was like, you 190 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: just need to chill, and he slid his bond over 191 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: to me. I remember, I took a hit, coughed a little bit, 192 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: and I went upstairs. I was laying on the laying 193 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: on the bed, looking up and I noticed it was 194 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: the first time in weeks that I wasn't obsessing about 195 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: all the things that were going wrong. And then that 196 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: that that moment of clarity, I started to look to 197 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: the future and think about things getting better. That was 198 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: just one night, go to sleep, wake up the next morning, 199 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: and go on with my with my week. 200 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 6: The next two weeks of the season, I had back 201 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 6: to back. 202 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Three hundred yard games, rushing three hundred yard games back 203 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: to back, and after that, I was like, Okay, there's 204 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: something there's something here, right, there's something here. 205 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not all in yet, but I can't. 206 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Say that this is a bad thing because it just 207 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: helped me like get out of a phone right and 208 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: kind of change change to my season around. So like 209 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: when the Heisman Trophy, fast forward, go through a bunch 210 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: of the draft stuff, and during the draft prep, I 211 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: moved back to San Diego and had a little money, 212 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, so I bought my first ounce. 213 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,239 Speaker 6: I remember about my first out. 214 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: And this is this is you you you're this is. 215 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 6: Right after my senior before the draft. 216 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: So it's never like. 217 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 5: You was just a dude just smoking before every game 218 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 5: or it. 219 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: Was never it was never that, but but it was 220 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: like a relationship was developing, you know, a relationship was developing. 221 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: So I had a little free time. I was training 222 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: and I just smoke a little bit to relax. But 223 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: I didn't have a real relationship at this point. I 224 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: just was messing around and I had some free free time. 225 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: I heard somebody say cannabis is synonymous with freedom, you know, 226 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: and I think because of the war on drugs. I 227 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: don't think it always has to be this way, but 228 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: I think because of the past and the war on drugs, 229 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: it kind of is right. We're either, you know, some 230 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: because some of my white friends, right, they had enough 231 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: money that if they got a little they got in 232 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of trouble, nothing happened. So of us 233 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: if we got you know, we got put over and 234 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: we got a roach in the car. 235 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 6: We're in the system. 236 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: So so since then I got a little money, I 237 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: got help. I can figure out if I get caught 238 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: with this little bit, so I had a little bit 239 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: of freedom. Then I get drafted to New Orleans and 240 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: I kind of put it aside because now I got 241 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: to focus on football. So go through my rookie year, 242 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: and my rookie year is a disaster. I mean just 243 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: mainly because of injuries. I just was hurt the whole year. 244 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: Second year, I trained really hard. I come back killing 245 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: it in week ten and I break my ankle. 246 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 6: Literally. 247 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: I broke my ankle on my thousandth yard. If you 248 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: look in the stats, you see I got a thousand 249 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: yards my second year in New Orleans just because it 250 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: was my ankle. 251 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 6: Snap. And something in me snapped at that moment because. 252 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: I realized I put all, like all my heart and 253 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: so into this game and it can just be taken away. 254 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 6: Literally like that. 255 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I thought, okay, I need to start 256 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: working on a plan. B you know what am I 257 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: going to do other than football? Because I can't trust 258 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: this and I wasn't playing and I was hurt. That's 259 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: when I really started smoking, you know, And part of 260 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: it was you know, my body was healing, but most 261 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: of it was trying to get my mind right because 262 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, as an adult, all my identity had been 263 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: put in to being a football player, and I wasn't 264 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: so attached to that anymore because I couldn't trust it, 265 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: and so I needed something to like over clear my 266 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: mind and try to figure things out. And that's when 267 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: I noticed myself smoking more so. About a year later, 268 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: I get traded to Miami, and I was in a 269 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: sweet spot right. It was kind of like back to 270 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: when I was in college where I was working on 271 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: putting the pass behind me. I had a new start 272 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 1: in Miami, and I was just thinking of like envisioning 273 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: what the season is going to be like. 274 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 6: So it's right. 275 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: Before it's right before the season starts, and I come 276 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: to work and there's a little like thing on my. 277 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 6: Locker that says you're being tested today. 278 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: I was like what Because NFL back then, NFL tested 279 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: only one time a year, but they had a big window, 280 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: big window when they can test, but it was only 281 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: one test when I was in New Orleans. That one 282 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: test was in training camp, and I thought when I 283 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: got to Miami that the test would be in training camp, 284 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: but it wasn't it was in the off season, so 285 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: that's when they got me. But again a couple of 286 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: times a week. But I wasn't like blowing before games 287 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: or anything. So I got I get popped, and then 288 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well they got me, so I'll just 289 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: stop smoking. That That was my attitude that at that 290 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: point it's nothing but the first test. They just put 291 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: you in the program. And so when you're not in 292 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: the program, that test one annual test. When you are 293 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: in the program nine times a month, you get tested 294 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: nine times a month, and if you pop, then you 295 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: get a fine, and then if you pop again you 296 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: get the you get four. 297 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 6: Game suspension, and then you get a year suspension. 298 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: So I was I was just on the map where 299 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: I was getting tested nine times a month, and I 300 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: was like, it's fine, and they make you talk. 301 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 6: To the therapist once a week. 302 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, I can't hurt to 303 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: have someone to talk to, and I don't you know, 304 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm good not smoking. 305 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 6: About four game in the season, I was like, I 306 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 6: can't do this. 307 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: If I smoking, you are to put your body on 308 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: the line. After I started smoking, and then I tried 309 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: to stop. I was like, I ain't going back to 310 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: the farm. I was like, I'm not going back to 311 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: that life. So then it was like, okay, how do 312 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: I keep smoking and pass the tests? 313 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: You know? 314 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 6: And then it took me. 315 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: A little while to figure it out, but I figured 316 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: out how to how to make it through with passing 317 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: the test. Had a little system, so I make it in. 318 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: The drug program is two years. You got to make 319 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: it through two seasons and then you're out of the program. Okay, 320 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: So found my little system. Made it through the first year, 321 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: good Pro Bowl, all that good stuff. You know, nobody knows, right, 322 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: nobody knows, but I'm good that next year I come 323 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: back again. That's back to where we were. My second 324 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: year in Miami, that's when everything kind of changed. So 325 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: so my second year in Miami, I was thinking it's 326 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: time for me to break the two thousand yeard rushing 327 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: mark and like put my name on a map. I 328 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: was like, this is it, you know, kind of all 329 00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: my eggs back in the basket. 330 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 6: I said, this is it. And it just didn't work 331 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 6: out that way. 332 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: The Dolphins didn't get a quarterback, and they just kept 333 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: giving me the ball, giving me the ball, giving me 334 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: the ball and my body was beat up. And I 335 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: remember we played the Eagles on it was Monday night. 336 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 6: I played the Eagles. 337 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: And we lost that game and we were at a 338 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: playoff contention, and I was hurt, and I remember I 339 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: smoked that night. I went to bed and the dude 340 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: was coming to drug test me at six in the morning, 341 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: So set my alarm. 342 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 6: I had my little system. I drink my little. 343 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: Drink, so my urine clear for five hours. Okay, so 344 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: I wake up early. 345 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 6: I was that late. 346 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: I woke up early, drank my drink, and then I 347 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: fell asleep because part of the system is you got 348 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: to drink, to drink twice and then you're good. But 349 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: I fell asleep and I woke up when he knocked 350 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: on the door, and I was like, damn. 351 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 6: I was like, I'll probably be fine. Pissed. 352 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: Got a letter of the next week that I fell 353 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: a drug test. So now it's the second drug the 354 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: second failed test. And the big thing about the second 355 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: failed test is they find you. And the biggest thing 356 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: about the fine as they take it out of your check, 357 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: which means the team has to know that you failed 358 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: a drug test. 359 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, So this is the NFL. It's not even 360 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 5: the team. 361 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: It's not even the team. So the idea some players 362 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: don't care, some players do. I did at the moment, 363 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: so nobody knew I was in the drug program. 364 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 6: Nobody. 365 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: The NFL does a decent job of keeping it confidential, 366 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: so the team didn't know. But after that second test, 367 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: the public doesn't know, but the team knows, you know. 368 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: And it feels silly to say it now. But in 369 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: that time, like the team knowing that I smoked, it 370 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: was like, you can relate to this. It was like 371 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: they got something on me. Now you know they got something. 372 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: This is going to be what they point. 373 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: To exactly exactly when I go for a renegotiation to 374 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: get paid, right, they got they got something on me. 375 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: So I was like okay, So I kind of pushed 376 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: through that. And then something happened where it leaked to 377 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: the public that I failed a drug test, and that 378 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: was something. Again, it feels silly saying it now. 379 00:16:58,720 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 6: That's something. 380 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I was ready four right, it's one 381 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: thing the team knows and they're going to keep it 382 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: on the low. But now the public knows, you know, 383 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: and I not that my image was one hundred percent pure. 384 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: But at least back in two thousand and four, I 385 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: felt like, you know, it would tarnish my image. 386 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 5: I mean, I think most athletes at that point would 387 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 5: think that men four. 388 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: So I was kind of bent out of shape. And 389 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: at the same time, I was thinking, like, this is 390 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: a lot. You know, this is a lot. 391 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: And so. 392 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: When I fell another drug test and it was going 393 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: to be a four game suspension, I just said I'm out. 394 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: I said I'm good. I said it's time for me 395 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: to do something else. Anyway, I think the significant thing 396 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: about that moment is before then I didn't consider cannabis 397 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: is being medicinal, right, there was, at least in the 398 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: football world, there was nobody having that conversation, nobody talking 399 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: about it like that. So I thought I just was 400 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: smoking because that's what we do. But when I had 401 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: to stop while doing in the football season, I realized, 402 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this just for fun. I'm doing this 403 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: because it helps, right. It helps my body, it helps 404 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: my mind. It helped me feel good about getting up 405 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: in the morning and doing this and doing this again. 406 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 2: Right. 407 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: And also I noticed that when I started smoking more 408 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: that I stopped taking the pills that they gave me 409 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: less and pills that they were giving me. They're giving 410 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: me Pax for my social anxiety, and they were giving 411 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 1: me intocend. 412 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 6: It's an insight, like an anti inflammatory. 413 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: And the guys would joke, It's like it's funny because 414 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: if you didn't take the anti inflammatory the night before, 415 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: your body was hurting at practice the next day. So 416 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: the guys would joke, you know, there's gonna be a 417 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: bad day if they forgot to take their pills. And 418 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: I started thinking about it. In order for us to 419 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: feel good to practice, we have to take pills. And 420 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: when I noticed I started smoking, I didn't have to 421 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: take as many pills to practice. And when I stopped 422 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: smoking because I felt drug test, I noticed I was 423 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: taking a lot more pills and I just didn't feel 424 00:18:59,480 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: good to me. 425 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 6: So just the side effects. 426 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: And again I wasn't reading anything, and there was no 427 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: one that was talking to me about it, so I 428 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: didn't have the language. But my own lived experience was 429 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: I prefer to the point where I jeopardize my career. 430 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: Is I prefer the cannabis because it felt more like 431 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: I was taking care of myself than the pills, where 432 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: felt more like I was masking stuff. 433 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 2: Right, Wow, that's real. 434 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: This is what I've realized about pharmaceuticals. It's like so 435 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: much about the pills that the doctor was giving me. 436 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: It was like to cover stuff up, to hide it, 437 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: to pretend like it wasn't there. 438 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 6: Like the pills make it better. 439 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: But whether it was the anxiety or the underlying cause 440 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: of the pain, the pills didn't make it better. It 441 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: just put me in a position where I was pushing 442 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: myself beyond where it was good for me. And I 443 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: noticed with cannabis it was it was making me feel better, 444 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: but from a different perspective of being more aware of 445 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: what hurts, where I feel the pain, so that I 446 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: can go to treatment, so that I can stretch, so 447 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: that I can do something about it, rather than just 448 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: popping a pill and going about my business. 449 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, well you popped the pill and then well everything hurts. 450 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 5: But when you a little more tuned in, you're like, oh, 451 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 5: wait a minute, is this part of my knee that's yeah, okay, 452 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 5: And it. 453 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: Might seem simple, but true story, true story. My my 454 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: second year in Miami, I had this little, this little strain. 455 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 6: Right behind my calf muscle and go to. 456 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: The doctors and I'll try to get him to explain 457 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: it to them, and they didn't know what I was 458 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: talking about. And so finally I said screw it. And 459 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: we had like the medical books in the training room, 460 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: so I just got one of the books and I 461 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: like looked at that part of my body and I 462 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: looked really closely, and I saw there's this little tiny muscle, 463 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, and I said, it's this is called the 464 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: papladio muscle. I said, it's that muscle right there. And 465 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: once I showed the doctor what the muscle, exactly what 466 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: muscle it was, they knew how to treat it and 467 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: it got better that quick. 468 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 6: So I just found it's a different mindset. 469 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: And because I think the mindset of most athletes, hopefully 470 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: it's changing coming in is it's kind of like they 471 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: can use my body anyway they want, and I have 472 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: to follow all their rules right, And to me, I 473 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: just couldn't make that work. So I think it's things 474 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: are changing and people in the leagues are allowing the 475 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: players to consume cannabis. It is giving the players more 476 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: tools to be able to better take care of themselves, 477 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: and I think it helps just in the mindset of 478 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: an athlete. There's something that it does that allows us 479 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: to feel more free and not like we're boxed in 480 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: to do the work that they want us to do 481 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: and we can't even take care of ourselves. 482 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 5: As you're saying this, when you're saying you stepped away 483 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 5: from it, I'm allowed a lot more insight, you know. 484 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 5: I think people can now, Like just you saying that, 485 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 5: that's like, oh wait a minute, Like, yeah, that was 486 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 5: definitely decision for yourself. 487 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 6: Tell you, I can feel it. 488 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: I can feel like if I come back and try 489 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: to do this, something's gonna I'm gonna get hurt because 490 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: my heart's not in it. 491 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 6: I'm somewhere else. 492 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: I had this taste of the things that I could 493 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: be experiencing, and again I started doing the math, and 494 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: I said, my life is short, and if I don't 495 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 1: have take this time to get to know myself and 496 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: live a little bit now, I might never have the 497 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: opportunity to. And I feel like I accomplished everything I 498 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: wanted to and needed to with football, so I felt 499 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: good about taking that next step. 500 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 6: I was free. 501 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: It was scary to make that call, but as soon 502 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: as I hung up the phone, like the cannabis stuff aside. 503 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: To me, I think cannabis was my ticket out. It 504 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: gave me a way to get out. It truly did. 505 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 6: It opened my mind to even imagine that I could 506 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 6: be something other than a football player. 507 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys the reason they stayed 508 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: playing football so long is they can't imagine themselves doing 509 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: anything else that would feel as good as football. And 510 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: I started to see, I'm not gonna be able to 511 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: do this for the rest of my life. I need 512 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: to find something else I love. And when I started traveling. 513 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 6: I was like, I love I love this experience. 514 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: Of being able to go anywhere in the world and 515 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: have an experience and be myself. And then I was 516 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: traveling and I met this guy who gave me a 517 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: book on alternative healing, and I started flipping through it, 518 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: and I noticed there was a whole chapter on cannabis, 519 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: and it was the first time that I had seen 520 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: cannabis even mentioned alongside of something positive. So, of course, 521 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: but my experience, I was all in this book and 522 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: I started reading everything I could, and I started to 523 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: realize there was a whole nother side of the story 524 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: that we'd never been exposed to, and then I became 525 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: passionate about trying to get to the bottom of that. 526 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: Right. 527 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 5: So, because you said you went to school for you've 528 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 5: been to several. 529 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been a bunch of school. 530 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: When was it? 531 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 5: Like, Yo, this is the because they call it alternative medicine, 532 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 5: but I don't like to call it that because that 533 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 5: tries to make it sound like it's crazy. 534 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 6: I actually came wait before this, exactly. 535 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the part of the conversation that I 536 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: don't think anybody talks about enough, you know, and part 537 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: of it is read we don't have the language. It's 538 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: like the dark ages of cannabis. When it was made illegal, 539 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: we lost we lost the language, we lost the way. 540 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 6: People used to talk about it. 541 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: But if you go back to the late eighteen hundred, 542 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: doctors knew how to talk about cannabis, and they had 543 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: they had some clarity about all the things that could 544 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: help with But I feel like we've lost we'd lost 545 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: our ability to how to talk about it. And I 546 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: think the biggest the biggest motivation for my advocacy is 547 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: to empower people with the language and the permission to 548 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: share their actual experience about it. Because we're talking about 549 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: something that happened in two thousand and four, two thousand 550 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: and five. It took ten years from there before I 551 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: really felt confident enough to be an advocate right. And 552 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: up until that point, my advocacy was. 553 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 6: Not lying about it, right, not lying. 554 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: Too much about right. That was my advocacy is somewhat 555 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: telling the truth. And I remember when I came up here, 556 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: right after I retired, I was sitting interviewing for sixty 557 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: minutes with Mike Wallace, and Mike Wallace asked me, point, Blake, 558 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: you know NFL tested you right now. 559 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 6: Would you pass the drug test? And I remember like. 560 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: Sitting there and like being nervous because all these people 561 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: are watching, you know, And I was like, I have 562 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: an opportunity to lie or to tell the truth, you know, 563 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: And somehow and I told the truth right, And to me, 564 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: that was the That was the first, my first form 565 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: of true advocacy. But it wasn't until ten years later 566 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: where I was at. I was living in Austin because 567 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: I went back to school after I retired, and a 568 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: teammate of mine, Kyle Turley. 569 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 6: Big big time advocate, he's all in. 570 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: He called me up and he said, hey, there's a 571 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: cannabis conference at the convention Center in Phoenix, won't you 572 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: come out and tell your story? And I was in 573 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: Austin and I was getting a lot of flak for 574 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: my reputation, so I was like, I'm good. 575 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 6: I said, I'm good, and I hung up. 576 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: The phone and I sat there and I thought about it, 577 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: and I was like, first, I was like. 578 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 6: There's a cannabis convention at a convention center. 579 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 2: I was like whoa. 580 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: I was like okay, and then I thought, you know, 581 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: fuck it. Everybody knows I smoke anyway. So I called 582 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: them back up and I was like, I'll do it. 583 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: That's when that real advocacy started. I remember I went 584 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: to Phoenix and I was sitting on this stage is 585 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: probably like one hundred. 586 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 6: And fifty people in the audience. 587 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: And it was the first time that I told my 588 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: story that I actually shared how it made me feel 589 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: and how I used it, and it was like it 590 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: was cathartic. It was healing, you know, because it was 591 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: something that I kept inside that I didn't talk about, 592 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: and to share with people right powerful, most powerful though 593 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: it was afterwards, twenty twenty thirty people came up to 594 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: me afterwards and basically told me I was their hero. 595 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: And because I hadn't put myself out there, I didn't 596 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: have exposure to the way that my. 597 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 6: Story touched a lot of people. 598 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: Because the way it unfolded for me, I kind of 599 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: felt like a coward, you know. But to see that 600 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: because I, you know, tried, I made an effort that 601 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: it really inspired other people. When their parents or their 602 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: coaches were giving them a hard time about smoking, they 603 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: could point to me and say, look, you know, he doing. 604 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 6: It, and look at him. I was like, WHOA. And 605 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 6: I remember something my mom always says. He says, go 606 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 6: where you're celebrated, not where you're tolerated. 607 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: And I felt like in that cannabis convention, right for 608 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: the first time since I failed a test. 609 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 6: That I was actually being celebrated, you know, without. 610 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: Without the astro, you know, and people would like the 611 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: stories would even if someone wrote a positive story about me, 612 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: right at the bottom, they would say he failed multiple 613 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: drug tests, right, And I was like, right, like, we 614 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: really need to throw that in everything. 615 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: You don't. 616 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: It's going to be funny to see how it evolves 617 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: because most of us, most of us adults now have 618 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: come out of a place where the prohibition, where it 619 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: was always something different or you had to hide it. 620 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: But I imagine, you know, maybe even my youngest kid 621 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: or pretty soon after, it's not going to have that 622 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: stigma so much that they have to deal with, so 623 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: they to have more of a clean slate. And I 624 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: think what they come up with and how they use 625 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: it is gonna be even We're gonna see it keep 626 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: growing and evolve. 627 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 5: Right, and then it might not even be as abusive 628 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 5: as I would say how I used it, you know, 629 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 5: because now you don't have to run off somewhere, you 630 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 5: don't have to go to one person's basement, and you 631 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 5: don't have to put a bunch of spray on and 632 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 5: eye drops and try. 633 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: To whole thing. 634 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 5: Like now you feel like now you're like, okay, I 635 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 5: just needed two quick hits, but now it's this whole process. 636 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 5: So you're like, I gotta finish it. Yeah, you know, 637 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 5: I can't bring it back home like I got so yeah. 638 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 5: So that's that's insightful, man, because so for me, I 639 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 5: do comedy and I did Last Common Standing and I 640 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 5: had some weed jokes in there, and I remember there 641 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 5: was people like, man, you're not gonna be able to 642 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 5: talk about weed. It's gonna be on NBC, and I'm like, 643 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 5: at this point, it's legal in California. It's like I'm 644 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 5: talking about something that's happening. And I wound up winning 645 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 5: the show. But it was one of those things where 646 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 5: it's like, no, I knew what I was talking about. 647 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 5: I just had to you know, you just had to 648 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 5: push through and believe you. 649 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 6: Yeah. 650 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 651 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 5: So I mean I definitely looked at you on the 652 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 5: sports side and I'm like, no, like, there's so many 653 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 5: people that tried to put that on. Oh, well you're 654 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 5: gonna not You're not gonna have drive, You're not gonna 655 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 5: have ambition, You're not gonna you know. 656 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: What I'm not. 657 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 5: Able to do is deal with all y'all putting stuff 658 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 5: on me. 659 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: But I'm able to deal with it when I have 660 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: a look. 661 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I had a conversation today and the 662 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: dude talking to me, he's like, yeah, it's like I smoke. 663 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 6: To treat my adhd. 664 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, I was like, you spoke 665 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: to deal with the people that are trying to like 666 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: label you the way you are. Yeah, So that's that's 667 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: actually And then we got to it. That's the deeper 668 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: reason why I was saying I can't do this if 669 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: I spoken, you know, it's just being around. This is 670 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: real talk, okay, because part of the part of the 671 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: drug conversation is about people using substances or whatever to 672 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: escape their problems. Okay, and that's real. But you don't 673 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: need cannabis to do that. There's a lot there's a 674 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: lot you can watch TV, there's a lot of ways. 675 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways. 676 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 6: To do that. 677 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: And when I launched my brand Heisman, our tagline is 678 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: sparked Greatness because that's my background and that's my story, 679 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: and my thing is cannabis helps us recover, Okay, but 680 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: if you ain't doing shit, you don't have nothing to 681 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: recover from, right, So it has to be it has 682 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: to be a balance of actually doing something right, because 683 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: even the creativity has to be the balance of doing 684 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: something right and the need to like come back afterwards 685 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: and reflect and make the connection so that you can 686 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: go back and do it again right. And and so 687 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: I realized that football, I was good at it, but 688 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: I had like it wasn't really what I was supposed 689 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: to be doing. In order to keep myself doing what 690 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to be doing. 691 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 6: I had to smoke, you know. 692 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: And and and I think that's part of the definition 693 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: of medicine because sometimes in life we have to do 694 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: things that we don't really want to do, but we 695 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: have to learn to take care of ourselves while we're 696 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: doing it. But also the recognition of when it's time 697 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: to move on and do something else. 698 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, what's your relationship with the NFL. 699 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 5: Are you advocating with them or is it a relationship 700 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 5: with them now? 701 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: I've had several conversations with the NFL, mainly on the 702 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: Players Association side, because when I was going through my appeals, 703 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: when I fell drug tests, the part of an appeal 704 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: process is they send someone from the Players Association to 705 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: support you. But at the time, cannabis was still so 706 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: stigmatized it wasn't really much support, you know. They just 707 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of sat off in the corner, like didn't say 708 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: anything anything to fit me. And so the conversations I've 709 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: had with them is really getting them to change their 710 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: attitude about cannabis, to say, this is not about substance. 711 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 6: Abuse, this is about wellness, you know. 712 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: And I've been talking to him about that over and 713 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: over again, and finally they started to listen and in 714 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: the last collective parting agreement, they said, we're taking cannabis 715 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: off the table as a negotiating piece for substances of 716 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: abuse and we're talking about. 717 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 6: It as wellness. 718 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: And that's what started to get the NFL to lighten, 719 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: so they don't suspend players anymore for filling cannabis tests. 720 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: They've raised the amount of THC metabolites in the urine 721 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: to like three hundred and fifty nanograms per milli leader 722 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: And that doesn't make sense, that doesn't mean anything to anyone, 723 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: but it's basically, you have to have a huge cannabis 724 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: problem in order for the NFL to get on the 725 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: NFL's radar, where when I was, you just had to 726 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: have a little system. 727 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 5: Where can people or how can people do what you're doing, 728 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 5: or how can they support what you're doing and advocate 729 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 5: for the wellness side of the cannabis industry. 730 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what we've seen in the past decade is 731 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: the NFL really changing their stance about head injuries, for example. 732 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: So there's been a huge shift where because of the fans, 733 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: really because of the fans that the NFL is having 734 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: to take player safety more seriously. 735 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 6: And they they've done it. 736 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: And I think when cannabis gets lumped into that conversation 737 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: about player safety and player wellness, I think that's when 738 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: the NFL really starts to listen. When on social media, 739 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, they're seeing people say it's a travesty that 740 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: these guys aren't allowed to take care of themselves with 741 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: natural through natural means, and they're forced to take pharmaceuticals. 742 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: And I already know that's what's been opening the NFL's 743 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: minds those that kind of talk. And I think the 744 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: more fans right become more player centric and saying, you know, 745 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: for what Riggy Williams, you know, puts his body on 746 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: the line to do all those things, he should definitely 747 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: be allowed to consume cannabis to take compared to the alternatives. 748 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean in the grand scheme of things, 749 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 5: it would benefit them. You're getting you're getting the whole person, 750 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 5: or at least you know them, closer to one hundred 751 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 5: percent than just trying to keep putting the band aid 752 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 5: on whatever's actually wrong. 753 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: But also the alternative because and this is this is 754 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: when I talk to the NBA players right. This is 755 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: the argument that they used in the bubble helped. But 756 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: the argument that NBA players used was, you know, after 757 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: after a game and they have a specific story. 758 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 6: I think they must have all got a line. 759 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: They said, those specific games that we have back to backs, 760 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: They said, after a game are adrenaline is so hyped up? 761 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: You know that we don't have the ability to come down, 762 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: so a lot of us are drinking and doing other things. Right, 763 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: imagine if we could smoke that allow us to come 764 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: down and get ready to do it the next day. Right, 765 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: that's the car. They all say the same thing, and 766 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: they use the back to backs. But I think when 767 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: you humanize and it's easier to humanize basketball players because 768 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: they're not wearing help and. 769 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 6: All these pads. 770 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: But I think when you humanize the athlete and you 771 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: realize what we're doing and the amount of stress physical emotional, 772 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: mental stress, and the alternatives we have to nurture ourselves 773 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: based on the current landscape right now, it's just the 774 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care 775 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: for themselves. 776 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 5: Right, And like what you've done in allowing other athletes 777 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 5: to step forward help everybody, because like you said, it 778 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 5: helps athletes take care of theirselves. The compassion for somebody, well, 779 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 5: it's the same thing for people who have cancer. 780 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 2: Are the kids who have seizures. 781 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 5: Or anybody who else is using it, like you said, 782 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 5: medicinally and to help with wellness. 783 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: And I think you put it a lot. 784 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 5: Of ways just we're talking to you right here, that 785 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 5: a lot of people don't look at it. A lot 786 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 5: of people just are from that you know DARE program 787 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 5: just say no reaf madeness era where oh it's you're 788 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 5: a druggie, you're a druga and taking that out of it, 789 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 5: like you said, giving people the right language to be 790 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 5: able to talk about. 791 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: I think the language and permission are the two biggest 792 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: things because if people don't have permission, you can have 793 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: the language, but they ain't gonna use it right. And 794 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: if people have the language but they don't have permission, 795 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: they're going to hide. 796 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 6: So it's like you got to have you got to 797 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 6: have both. 798 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm in a position where I 799 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: can talk right and as I talk, people can pick 800 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: up the language of how I talked about. 801 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 6: It ways that it related to them. But permission, right, 802 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 6: that's where the advocacy work comes. 803 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: In because when the NFL stops testing or takes it 804 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: off the list, all the players that were too afraid 805 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: but they're in a lot of pain, but they are. 806 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 6: Too afraid to try it. 807 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: It opens the door all the people in the world, 808 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: right that know they need some help and whatever the 809 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: doctor said isn't working, but they don't want to break 810 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: the law. I think it's the first time in my 811 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: life where I have appreciated, truly appreciated the power of 812 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: the law. 813 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 2: Right, it's real. 814 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 6: I've been too DC three times. 815 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: Right right before then, I was like, but this came up, 816 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, because just being in the industry, 817 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: I've seen so many people and I heard so many stories, 818 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: right aside from my own, I heard so many stories, 819 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's not even about me anymore. It's about 820 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: realizing that because of my story, I have the ability 821 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: to open doors and hopefully allow other people to have 822 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: access in relief. 823 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, what can people do to advocate on their 824 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 5: own or you know, just try to get the thing 825 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 5: pushed legally to where it needs to be. 826 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think what individuals can do is just 827 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: be honest. It's just right, and it's not like take 828 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: a flag and wave it around, you know, at your 829 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: kid's soccer game. 830 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 6: It's not it's not that. 831 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,479 Speaker 1: But if you're if you're around a mom or someone 832 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: and they say, you know, I have a headache or 833 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,919 Speaker 1: I can't sleep, you know, and you know that taking 834 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: a five milligrand gummy has helped you sleep? 835 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 6: Right, just say something, you know, because it's not about hiding, 836 00:37:59,440 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 6: it's about it. 837 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: You have something that might offer someone some relief, and 838 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: they might look at you like you're crazier say no. 839 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: But they hear that enough times, right, because sometimes it's 840 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: not the first time, and it doesn't feel good to 841 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: be the first one to put up the idea and 842 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: the person say that's crazy, But you say it once 843 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: they hear it from someone else. To hear it from 844 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: someone else, to hear it from someone else in their 845 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: mind is more open. So I think we can all 846 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: be advocates by just sharing our story, by being real. 847 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 6: More specifically towards the NFL. 848 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: You know, if a story comes out or you see something, 849 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: don't be like. 850 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 6: Everyone else and put the same tag why was he smoked? 851 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 2: Why? Right? 852 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: I get it, But that doesn't help, you know, So 853 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: it's another version of just being honest, right, you know, 854 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: and if I was giving a pep talk is to like, 855 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: you know, I say, find yourself in history, you know, 856 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: in the future, let's say ten fifteen years down the road, right, 857 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: this is going to be a part of our everyday life, 858 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: you know. And do you want to be the person 859 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: that's like, damn, I missed the boat on that one, 860 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: or do you want to be the one that feels 861 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 1: good because you helped get it to that exactly exactly. 862 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for inviting us out here. 863 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 5: And I've got to come back out here at some 864 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 5: point because I got to check out some of the 865 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 5: some of the scenery out here. But thank you again, man, 866 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 5: one Drugs Podcast, Ricky Williams, Thank you so much. 867 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:21,399 Speaker 2: Man. 868 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 6: I feel like I'm a survivor of the world Drugs. 869 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 2: You are a survivor. 870 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 5: You definitely you a general at this point, Like, yeah, 871 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 5: you definitely a general. You came out of it and 872 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 5: you pulled more people through than what they put you through. 873 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 5: So we appreciate thank you. Thank you. 874 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 2: There it is Ricky Williams. 875 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 5: Man in his own words, Uh yeah, it was great 876 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 5: to be there and just just hear his side of 877 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 5: the story. And how he really wanted his freedom. 878 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 4: Peace by the way to you can you can peace. 879 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 4: You can feel his like genuine like at EA's. 880 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, to find something that kind of works for 881 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 5: you For me, I'm like, man, think about how many 882 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 5: other people weren't able. 883 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 2: To find that? Yeah, So what talent, what ability? What genius? 884 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 5: Are we missing in the world because we put this 885 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 5: stipulation on this one plane. 886 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 3: Now, something that Ricky was talking about the kind of 887 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 3: triggers on to me was, you know, kind of this 888 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 3: thing of like medicinal versus recreational and what's accepted and 889 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 3: what's not, and you know, someone having anxiety dealing with 890 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 3: these things at the peak of their powers, really actually 891 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 3: trying to use something in a way that is medicinal. 892 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 3: Like all the arguments that people have, Oh, people just 893 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 3: want to go this is not what was happening here. 894 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 4: This was a person trying to deal with this. 895 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 3: And it's crazy how far we have come. I think 896 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 3: in that conversation, because if Ricky's saying that on his 897 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 3: own podcast or someone else's or what's going on about 898 00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 3: his use on that, I think we look at the 899 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 3: today in a completely different light, like, oh, he has anxiety. 900 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 3: I think it's really good that he's talking about. Like 901 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 3: then it was you know, Mike Lupika and the Sports Report, 902 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 3: all these were like this guy is a bomb and 903 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 3: a bus. All he wants to do is party and 904 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 3: have a good time. And it's like, no, that's what 905 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 3: everyone else is kind of doing. Like this guy's actually 906 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 3: not like he's trying to see something and trying to 907 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 3: put his hand up and everyone's like, put your hand down. 908 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 4: And it wasn't that long ago. 909 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 5: And one of the things that he said too, that 910 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 5: I think kind of ties into what you were just saying, 911 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 5: is a lot of times people don't have the language 912 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 5: to talk about it, right, he said at that time, 913 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 5: he didn't have, you know, it was he couldn't put 914 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 5: it into words. He didn't know that, oh, okay, this 915 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 5: actually helps with that. He knows it's helping him. But 916 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 5: how are you going to tell somebody when the whole 917 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 5: world looks at it, Like you just said, you're just 918 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 5: trying to get hot, You're just trying to party. 919 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 2: You're just a weed head. Yeah, you're you're a stoner. 920 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 5: And now that we do have the language and capacity, 921 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 5: no matter which side of it, you're on. These are 922 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 5: kind conversations that can be had. These are conversations that 923 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 5: can be talked about even if you don't if you 924 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 5: want to keep your kids away from weed, or if 925 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 5: you want to be able to have it medicinally. Now 926 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 5: that we have these words like it helps with anxiety 927 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 5: and mental health. Yeah, it's all of these things that 928 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 5: I don't think we're even thought of saying in the 929 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 5: same sentence with marijuana. 930 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 931 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 3: I mean, like you couldn't talk about being like, hey, 932 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 3: I don't think I should play now, you're not tough, 933 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 3: And it was like, oh, you can't. Ricky was always 934 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 3: he can't deal with the pressure, right, and it's like, 935 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 3: what does that even mean. I'm just supposed to be 936 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 3: dealing with the pressure. 937 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 2: And at the same time, oh, you're dealing with paint. 938 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 2: Come take this right exact Yeah, yeah, come get this shot. 939 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 3: And then the turk guy, like the health guy, will 940 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: be like, yeah, he can get you a few more 941 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 3: like yeah, I mean you hear those stories about the 942 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,919 Speaker 3: pill passing and like the greenies, like the coffee they're 943 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 3: taking amphetamines. 944 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 2: In the eighties. 945 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable. 946 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so again that's why hearing these stories, particularly 947 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 3: someone that was like in the middle of this area 948 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 3: and where we've come now and hearing like how it's 949 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 3: different for athletes, and you know, you think even like 950 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 3: very recently Shikari Richardson she got suspended and even a 951 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 3: lot of the pushback on her it really was like, well, 952 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 3: this is her fault. She's wrong, like she should have known, 953 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 3: and like, you know what it's and if. 954 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 2: She wasn't able to tell her side of. 955 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 4: It right exactly, probably roll with that. 956 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 2: And who knows if she would ever got back into 957 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 2: the Olympics. 958 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you saw the push I mean there was 959 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 3: I would I don't know what there was, but I 960 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 3: assume the vast majority of folks in our country were like, 961 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 3: this is not something that she should be knocked. 962 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 4: Out of the Olympics. And I think there was a 963 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 4: lot more empathy on her for she was. 964 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 5: Asked the question had been asked right after a race, 965 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 5: ties back into anxiety, mental health issues, those type of things, 966 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 5: and me, you know me, come on, man, she won 967 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 5: a race. She should get an extra metal like she won. Yeah, 968 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 5: give her an extra little add on, man, You know 969 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 5: how to give you the thing when you graduated, like 970 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 5: give her an extra little sash because. 971 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 6: She is crazy's looking to that. 972 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so special. 973 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 5: Thank you to Ricky Williams. His family had his kid there. 974 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 5: Reminded me of being with my son. 975 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 2: It was great. Yeah, that's that's the first episode. 976 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 4: What we got up next another amazing athlete. 977 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 3: But we're going to talk a little bit more about 978 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 3: actual physical pain and that's with Liz Carmose. She's a 979 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 3: veteran m M, A fighter, gorilla, total badass. She's going 980 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 3: to talk about some of her you know, in a 981 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 3: world of combat sport where you're constantly under injury and 982 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 3: strain and training. CBDs really helped her with her training 983 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 3: and keeping at the top of her game so long 984 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 3: in that sport, which you know, it's a pretty short 985 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 3: shelf life for a lot of folks. 986 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 4: And so we'll this ball rolling. 987 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 3: But what an awesome guest to kick off with Ricky Williams. 988 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 3: Awesome that you gotta do at Clay and amazing like 989 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 3: in his home, Like it's cool to get to get 990 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 3: that vibe and it's been awesome to travel around and 991 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 3: see these people where they're at. 992 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 4: Again, special thank you to Ricky and awesome. 993 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,720 Speaker 2: That was a war on drugs. 994 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 3: The War on Drugs is a production of Lava for 995 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 3: Good and Stand Together Music and association with Signal Company 996 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,240 Speaker 3: Number one. 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