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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network, Let's roll. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Giants Subtle Podcast. It is our

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Speaker 1: NFC East Reporter Round Table. I am John Schmelk. We

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Speaker 1: have a lot of friends of the program here in

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Speaker 1: a couple of new faces as well. We welcome and

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Speaker 1: Bobby Belty covers the Cowboys for one oh five point

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Speaker 1: three FM. He works for Front of the Program. Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us there. Comrades and arms down there. We have

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Speaker 1: Fran Duffy who is with phl Y covering the Eagles

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Speaker 1: and All City Network on the draft. And Ryan Foller,

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Speaker 1: he was on our programming at the NFL Combine this

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Speaker 1: year or Bleacher Report Draft Network and he's the host

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Speaker 1: of the Commanding the Huddle podcast. Gentlemen, we are when

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Speaker 1: this airs about nine days away from the start of

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Speaker 1: the regular season, and I know we're all surprised. The

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Speaker 1: Cowboys steal the headlines about a week and a half

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Speaker 1: before the year. So Bobby ceedee lamb a contract I

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Speaker 1: think all of us assume would get done and look

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Speaker 1: like this For some reason it took this long. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you can explain why. And then we're still kind of

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Speaker 1: on Dak Prescott. So your take on some of the

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Speaker 1: business the cowboys have gotten done and what still is

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Speaker 1: to come in maybe the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Lamb deal is a little puzzling in the

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Speaker 3: sense of just how ordinary it is like and how

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Speaker 3: much it seemed to check every box along the way

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Speaker 3: of what everybody expected. You get to the end of

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Speaker 3: it and you go, okay, well, then what were you

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Speaker 3: slow playing? Well, what was the big sticking point? Because

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Speaker 3: everything in there looks like a really easy number that

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Speaker 3: you could have come to. Thirty four seems like it

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Speaker 3: makes sense. Four years seems like it makes sense. The

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Speaker 3: guarantees seem like it makes sense. So it feels a

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Speaker 3: lot like Dallas was just driving a hard bargain, trying

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Speaker 3: come up to Seed's numbers. Seed he had been at

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Speaker 3: thirty four for a while, him and his agent Tory Dandy,

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Speaker 3: and it was something where the cowboys were kind of

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Speaker 3: I still don't know what the hold up was there.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's really sure other than just it feels like a

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Speaker 3: prioritization of winning the negotiation, like really wanting that rather

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Speaker 3: start of training camp and knocking those things out. But

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Speaker 3: I think everybody's happy it's done. Sevie Lamb was up

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Speaker 3: I think that everybody's kind of relieved around the building,

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Speaker 3: breathing asigh relief. And now it turns over to can

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Speaker 3: they get Dak done before the ear starts, because if

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Speaker 3: it doesn't get done before the ear starts, I don't

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Speaker 3: if you let it get to the new league ear,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Dak Prescott's back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think just real quick follow up, how

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Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to test the market necessarily

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Speaker 3: he has way too much leverage. There's no reason for

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Speaker 3: nothing other than just I want to be a cowboy,

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Speaker 3: If you want this much money, you're probably gonna lose

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Speaker 1: Right, fran I think the big offseason story for the

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Speaker 1: How have those things kind of come together here? And

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Speaker 1: do you think whatever caused those issues at the end

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Speaker 1: do you think they've been solved?

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Speaker 2: I mean right now everything looks great.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, no games have been played yet, and so you

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Speaker 5: don't know how things are going to go until adversity strikes.

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Speaker 5: I think when you look at the offense, the big

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Speaker 5: what you're hoping for is an improvement in the margins.

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Speaker 5: And the last year, especially in the second half again

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Speaker 5: down the stretch, Jalen Hurts in the passing game had

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Speaker 5: Went blitz after blitz after blitz after Hurts and just

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Speaker 5: consistently had no way to be able to respond to that.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's what you're hoping for with Kellen

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Speaker 5: some more easy buttons for Jalen Hurts. Back in twenty

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Speaker 2: It was third down pressure.

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Speaker 5: Hey, you know what, I'm gonna drop back and I'm

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Speaker 2: That's a fun way to live.

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Speaker 5: That's not always an efficient way to live. And so

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Speaker 5: we saw it come back down to earth last year

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Speaker 5: that's something that they'll try and look for again. How

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Speaker 5: is the dynamic there between Nick Siriani? It was his

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Speaker 5: to look like moving forward? Right now, everything looks good,

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Speaker 5: everything sounds good, everything smells good, everything tastes good. But

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Speaker 5: what happens if you have that two game losing streak,

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Speaker 5: you lose three or four something like that. Now things

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Speaker 5: something certainly to watch with this team. And then over

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Speaker 5: on the other side, I mean defensively, I said, they

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Speaker 5: look when things got bad on offense, it still finishes

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Speaker 5: second half of last season, and that was after what

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Speaker 5: I thought was a pretty good start. I mean, what

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Speaker 5: They shut out Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay in the

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Speaker 5: wheels fell off the wagon, and I think when you

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Speaker 5: look at this pass rush was non existent in the

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Speaker 5: and you saw some holes there that I think they've

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Speaker 2: And so you go in.

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Speaker 5: You draft Quinjan Mitchell, you draft Cooper Dejen, You signed

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Speaker 5: Chauncey Gardner Johnson, you bring him back from the Detroit Lions,

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Speaker 5: and you hope that all right, is this enough here

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Speaker 5: to keep this thing going and get it back on track.

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Speaker 5: I think they've seen some good things from these young dbs.

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Speaker 5: Cooper Degen now healthy, what does he look like? He's

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Speaker 5: Quinion Mitchell has played a little bit in the slot

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Speaker 5: keey Ringo has come along nicely. So it's a young secondary,

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Speaker 5: which means it's gonna be violatile. There's gonna be some

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Speaker 5: is going to be who's the playmaker linebacker? Can that

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Speaker 5: the best in football. Jalen Carter looks like a future

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Speaker 2: He looks as.

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Speaker 5: Advertised, he is going to be a game wrecker. I'm

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Speaker 5: excited to see what these guys all look like.

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Speaker 1: All right, then, Ryan, I guess the big picture question

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Speaker 1: for you is how much of a long term player

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Speaker 1: we looking at here for the Commanders? Right? They signed

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Speaker 1: a bunch of middle of the road players, right, they

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Speaker 1: feel like they take half of dan Quin's defense from Dallas.

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Speaker 1: They bring him over, that's the guys, they turn him

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Speaker 1: into starters in Washington. What do you think this looks like?

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Speaker 1: And how slow of a ramp up is this going

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Speaker 4: I think when you look at what Houston did last year, right,

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Speaker 4: Damiko Ryans and CJ. Shroud, I think that's something where

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Speaker 4: something like that happens in twenty twenty four. Now, I

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Speaker 4: think the trade of John Dotson told you a lot

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Speaker 4: about how this organization thinks about Jayden Daniels, how he

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Speaker 4: can elevate the skilled players around him away from guys

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Speaker 4: seventeen on the outside. So at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: it really revolves around Jayden Daniels. Now, the biggest thing

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Speaker 4: also is going to be this new look Joe Witt

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Speaker 4: defense coming over from Dallas, of course, following Dan Quinn,

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Speaker 4: where on the outside they have questions as well. Emmanuel

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Speaker 4: Forbes working into year two, this is a cover three

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Speaker 4: corner right in college in Mississippi State, and they asked

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Speaker 4: still with him. And they only have three perimeter corners

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Speaker 6: Nobody should be.

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Speaker 4: But they're on the right track forward at least adding

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's start a little string of getting

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Speaker 3: I mean, the chemistry and the connection that Dak and

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Speaker 1: The Corner group.

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Speaker 7: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 7: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: I still think it is the line of scrimmage John

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Speaker 6: Yeah, as much.

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Speaker 3: room that turned toxic really fast when there were so

438
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Speaker 3: many guys on one year deals and coaches and players,

439
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Speaker 3: and when things start to turn, people have a tendency

440
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Speaker 3: to go, well, I got to start looking out for me,

441
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Speaker 3: Where's my next job. I got to start making sure

442
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Speaker 3: that I get my ducks in a row because this

443
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Speaker 3: isn't working anymore. Anytime they hit some struggles this season,

444
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Speaker 3: I think people are going to be on the lookout

445
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Speaker 3: for do people start looking out for their next gig

446
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Speaker 3: or looking out for the future and stop looking out

447
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Speaker 3: for what's happening right now. And that's something that the Joneses,

448
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Speaker 3: I think, have had to weigh and have to have

449
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Speaker 3: some level of concern with because that's what happened in

450
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen and they can't let it happen again this year.

451
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Speaker 1: Bran, how about the Eagles? Where is your siren up

452
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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on earlier in the year. If

453
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Speaker 1: you think this season is going to go as well

454
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Speaker 1: as I'm sure the Eagles. Hope it will. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think the big thing John will just be some

456
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Speaker 5: of the things we talked about earlier, because honestly, that

457
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Speaker 5: this roster is a good roster. You look at linebacker

458
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Speaker 5: and you have questions, But I mean Devin White, Zach

459
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Speaker 5: bond Na, Kobe Dean, Jeremiah Trotter junior. There's a mix

460
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Speaker 5: of youth, some unproven quantities, and then some veterans there

461
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Speaker 5: that you're like, all right, like, let's throw them all

462
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Speaker 5: a cup, shake it all out, and one of these

463
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Speaker 5: will hit yati right. That's kind of the hope is

464
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Speaker 5: that one of these guys can turn out to become

465
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Speaker 5: like a solid level.

466
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Speaker 2: Starter and then you feel good moving forward.

467
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Speaker 5: So if that's the biggest question mark on the team

468
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Speaker 5: moving into the season, you feel pretty good to me.

469
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Speaker 5: It's more the volatility defensively. You know, it's okay, Darius Slay,

470
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Speaker 5: he's a starting corner over thirty. What happens if he

471
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Speaker 5: falls off a cliff and the rookie corners aren't ready

472
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Speaker 5: to go, then your secondary may not be great. The

473
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Speaker 5: guys off the edge from the pass rush standpoint, if

474
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Speaker 5: Bryce Huff is not ready for the limelight as a

475
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Speaker 5: full time pass rusher and he needs to be more

476
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Speaker 5: of a role player and Josh Sweat just can't find

477
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Speaker 5: that form. And you see the second half of last

478
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Speaker 5: year's version of Josh Sweat, then you have no pass

479
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Speaker 5: rush because you moved on from Hassan Redick. So it's

480
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Speaker 5: really like, Okay, if this happens or if that happens,

481
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Speaker 5: then things could go bad defensively.

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Speaker 2: But just looking at it face value, I mean, this

483
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Speaker 2: is a good roster.

484
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Speaker 5: You take the coaching dynamics out of it that we

485
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Speaker 5: spoke about, I think everything else looks pretty good for

486
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Speaker 5: this team moving forward.

487
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Speaker 1: How about the Commander's Ryan.

488
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all on defense, and it's that corner. You know,

489
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Speaker 4: it's now there's a lot of questions. Of course, that tackle.

490
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Speaker 4: Who's gonna be protecting Jade Damis's blind side? Is it

491
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Speaker 4: Brandon Coleman, the rookie from TCU. Is it going to

492
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Speaker 4: be career Leis Lucas? But this group at that corner

493
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Speaker 4: is it may be worse than the league and it

494
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Speaker 4: might not be close. Emmanuel Forbes has so much work

495
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Speaker 4: to do technically. He is their third perimeter corner. They

496
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Speaker 4: bring in Michael Davis Benjamin Saint Jos is still on

497
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Speaker 4: the outside. And even the opportunities that you've seen just

498
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Speaker 4: in the preseason where you get opportunities man and man

499
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Speaker 4: Emmanuel Forbes against Travis Brownly against the Jets didn't work out.

500
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Speaker 4: Benjamin Saint Jukes against River Craikraft. You look at Benjamin

501
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Speaker 4: Saint just looks the part six y three over thirty

502
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Speaker 4: threes on the arms. He can get inside the frame

503
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Speaker 4: and force guys get up the line of scrimmage. But

504
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Speaker 4: he's always been a guy that's looked like two years

505
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Speaker 4: away from being two years away for the Washington Commander.

506
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Speaker 4: So they line up in week one against Mike Evans,

507
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Speaker 4: Chris Godwin, and then soon after you see Jamark Chas

508
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Speaker 4: and Joe Burrow. It's gonna be tough for this Commander's group,

509
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Speaker 4: really defensively and really as a hole, for this roster

510
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Speaker 4: to ever reach their ceiling if this perimeter group on

511
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Speaker 4: the outside doesn't have talent.

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Speaker 6: Because they also brought.

513
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Speaker 4: In Udfa Chegozi Enusium paid him a lot from Colorado State,

514
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Speaker 4: he's on on the roster again. As I mentioned earlier, guys,

515
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Speaker 4: they only had three perimeter corners on this roster, and

516
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Speaker 4: those are the guys you're gonna see on the field

517
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Speaker 4: when teams a line on that base eleven personnel. So

518
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Speaker 4: it's huge this year for Washington's perimeter corners to try

519
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Speaker 4: and at least be close to league average for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, run, I'm gonna follow up. I'm surprised that, I

521
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Speaker 1: know you kind of mentioned off the top you didn't

522
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Speaker 1: go with the offensive line because you have a rookie

523
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Speaker 1: quarterback who's you know what, one hundred and ninety pounds

524
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Speaker 1: soaking wet depending on when you put him on a scale.

525
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Speaker 1: And frankly, you know, as great as he was at LSU,

526
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Speaker 1: and he was a top ten player on my board,

527
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a really good player. I

528
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Speaker 1: don't think he handled press. He didn't face a lot

529
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Speaker 1: of pressure at LSU. When he did, it was a

530
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Speaker 1: lot of running that a lot of throwing on their pressure.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that offensive line as the potential really

532
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Speaker 1: derailing the first year of jayde and Daniels despite all

533
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Speaker 1: that talent that he has.

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Speaker 4: I think after the last few years of what Washington's

535
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Speaker 4: seen the offensive line, I think whatever they do this

536
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Speaker 4: year has to be some sort of better Now I

537
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Speaker 4: will also say this John and that look you look

538
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Speaker 4: at what LSU had up front, Emery Jones, Will Campbell.

539
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Speaker 4: Those are two first rounders in this year as well,

540
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Speaker 4: protecting jayde and Daniels. Now, I also I have confidence

541
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Speaker 4: in what Washington has at the tackle spot. Now Andrew Wiley,

542
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Speaker 4: I have some questions with him on the right side,

543
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Speaker 4: followed of course Eric the enemy from Kansas City last

544
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Speaker 4: year that didn't work out there, but he is still there.

545
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Speaker 4: On the left side, however, Cornelilius Lucas has been one

546
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Speaker 4: of their better tackles that hasn't received snaps really these

547
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Speaker 4: last few years. He's always been that key sixth offensive

548
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Speaker 4: lineman if he starts right now on what it looks

549
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Speaker 4: like at week one on the left side of this

550
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Speaker 4: line of scrimmage to where they also brought in Nick Allegretti,

551
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Speaker 4: and we brought in Tyler Biatis of course from Dallas.

552
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Speaker 4: This group up front, I think is going to be

553
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Speaker 4: fundamentally much better. Not only and when they have to

554
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Speaker 4: drop anchor and pass pro arts, they're going to sling

555
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Speaker 4: it around a little bit, but they also fit the

556
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Speaker 4: body types of what Cliff Kingsbury likes in this vertical,

557
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 4: downhill type of run game that we know Brian Robinson

558
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Speaker 4: does well, it has done in Washington and what he

559
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Speaker 4: did well in Alabama, So there are questions there. Of course,

560
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Speaker 4: I'm not expecting to be a top five group. They're

561
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Speaker 4: not the Philadelphia line, they're not Detroit, they're not Cleveland.

562
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Speaker 4: But I think they could be absolutely a league average

563
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Speaker 4: group this year. And if they are, they will allow

564
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Speaker 4: Washington and Cliff Kingsbury to expand that playbook with Jade.

565
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Speaker 1: Daniels and look, and I think, given the answer I'll

566
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Speaker 1: give for the Giants here, I'm looking at the Eagles

567
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Speaker 1: and Cowboys guys here. Considering the Commanders and Giants are

568
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Speaker 1: both gonna give the secondary as the two biggest issues

569
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Speaker 1: on their roster, I think probably bodes well for the

570
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Speaker 1: AJ Browns and CD labs Dak Prescott's and Jalen Hurts

571
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Speaker 1: of the world. But they look the Giants have. Of

572
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Speaker 1: their starting corners, they're all twenty four years old or younger.

573
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Speaker 1: They're starting safeties are twenty five and twenty two. They're

574
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Speaker 1: just rolling out a bunch of young players here in

575
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Speaker 1: the new defensive system, young defensive backfield that runs a

576
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Speaker 1: lot of his own and requires a lot of communication

577
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Speaker 1: and passing guys off. I'm curious to see how the

578
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Speaker 1: Giants early will handle some of that stuff. Bobby swing

579
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Speaker 1: player for the Cowboys. Who's one guy that they're really

580
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Speaker 1: depending on maybe taking that next step and becoming maybe

581
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Speaker 1: young guy becoming a good player, a newcomer they sign

582
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Speaker 1: that they need to step up and be a really

583
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Speaker 1: good player at or position that you'd think could really

584
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Speaker 1: impact their season.

585
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that when you look at

586
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Speaker 3: what's going on on the defensive interior for them, they

587
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Speaker 3: really need OsO di Giezua, their three technique to more

588
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Speaker 3: consistently step up. He's flashed really well early on every

589
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Speaker 3: year that he's been in the league. It doesn't always

590
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Speaker 3: you know, you know, his motor runs so hot. It's

591
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Speaker 3: almost like he gets fatigued by about week twelve. He's

592
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Speaker 3: just burned out by the end of the season and

593
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Speaker 3: the production just really goes downhill. He's one that I

594
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Speaker 3: think that if they could get consistent play at him,

595
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Speaker 3: they'd feel better about what they're able to do with

596
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Speaker 3: their pass rush, especially after they lost a lot of

597
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Speaker 3: depth there during this offseason. I think that's a big

598
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Speaker 3: one for them. Honestly, parent Steele coming back from injury

599
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Speaker 3: is going to be for them because twenty twenty two

600
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Speaker 3: he was one of the better run blocking, rocked right

601
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Speaker 3: tackles in the NFL, and he tears his ACL and

602
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: last year he came back and he was just he

603
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Speaker 3: was not the same. He's looked a lot better during

604
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Speaker 3: training camp. Mike McCarthy said he thinks it's the best

605
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Speaker 3: training camp that he's had since he's been here. And

606
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Speaker 3: he and Zach Martin just worked so well in conjunction

607
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Speaker 3: with each other in run block combo stuff that if

608
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Speaker 3: they are able to get that version of Terrence Steel

609
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Speaker 3: back or even better, their run game could be on

610
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Speaker 3: this wide spectrum of much more effective to struggling a

611
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Speaker 3: ton based just on Steel Steele, I think you could

612
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Speaker 3: argue is the biggest X factor for them in terms

613
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Speaker 3: of their success this season.

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Speaker 1: It's funny, let me follow up real quick because I

615
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Speaker 1: thought you might reference one of the two first and

616
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Speaker 1: second round picks last year. I know Scoonmaker's kind of

617
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Speaker 1: buried a little bit on the depth chart, but Mazzie

618
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Speaker 1: Smith was the first round pick last year. I know

619
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Speaker 1: they had him drop all this weight he's trying to

620
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Speaker 1: gain it back and it hasn't really worked. What have you

621
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Speaker 1: seen from Mazzie Smith as a guy that I'm sure

622
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Speaker 1: they hope can try to make that run defense just

623
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Speaker 1: a little bit better.

624
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Speaker 3: I've seen Mazzie Smith hang his head a lot at practice,

625
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Speaker 3: is what I've seen. That's no, it's not for for

626
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Speaker 3: somebody who watched Charlton and Tristan Hill hang their head

627
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: a lot during practice as top pics for the Cowboys

628
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Speaker 3: in years past. It's concerning when you see him out

629
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Speaker 3: there practice and Jeff Scania who was in Washington last year,

630
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Speaker 3: he gets into him a lot at practice and he's

631
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Speaker 3: trying to bring it out of him and and I

632
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: think the thing for the Cowboys is they just want

633
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Speaker 3: to see They want to see that he can take

634
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Speaker 3: that criticism and he can level up and not let

635
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Speaker 3: it defeat him. I think Mazzie Smith has a tendency

636
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Speaker 3: to kind of let that stuff defeed him. Last year,

637
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Speaker 3: he lost thirty pounds from the start of the season

638
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Speaker 3: to the end of the year, not on purpose. This

639
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: is a three hundred and thirty pounds one technique that

640
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: fell below three hundred pounds by the end of the

641
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Speaker 3: season and it was just it was a disastrous rookie year.

642
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Speaker 3: And I think it's it's not great that when you

643
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Speaker 3: get in here into the in training gip. Two weeks

644
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: into training camp, they said we need to go get

645
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Speaker 3: Jordan Phillips and then they said we need to go

646
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Speaker 3: get Lynvall Joseph. They when you make two moves like that,

647
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Speaker 3: that kind of buries Mozzie a little bit. If Mozzie

648
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Speaker 3: Smith were out a first round pick, I don't know

649
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Speaker 3: that Mozzie Smith would have been kept on the roster

650
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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 1: Wow, strong words brand, how about you? And I'm gonna

652
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Speaker 1: maybe tease maybe a defensive tackle that was a high

653
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Speaker 1: pick for the Eagles as well. Yeah.

654
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: I was going back and forth on it.

655
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: John, Honestly, as Bobby was talking about Mazzie Smith, I

656
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 5: was like, Oh, maybe I will go Jordan Davis because

657
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 5: I initially I was thinking Queen Don Mitchell. But for me,

658
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 5: Jordan Davis is a guy that you want to see

659
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 5: take that next step.

660
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: It's going to be year three for him.

661
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 5: Howie Roseman said that on Draft night, the night they

662
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 5: drafted him and they traded up to take him at

663
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 5: fourteenth overall.

664
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Speaker 2: Back in twenty twenty two.

665
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 5: Hey, if he does not take that step as a

666
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: pass rusher, then this is not a good pick. We

667
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 5: know what Jordan Davis can be as a run defender,

668
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 5: and at times he has been a truly dominant force

669
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 5: at the point of attack, but the flashes as a

670
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: rusher have been exactly that. They have just been flashes,

671
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 5: and so being able to see that consistently, especially once

672
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 5: you get past the week four, week five, week six mark,

673
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 5: that would be ideal for this football team. When you

674
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 5: lose Fletcher Cox on the inside, obviously you're expecting Jalen

675
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 5: Carter is going to take that mantle, but you'd love

676
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 5: to be able to see Jordan Davis really take that

677
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 5: next step as a full time player for this defense.

678
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 5: And that's not to say that, hey, second half he

679
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 5: completely disappeared. He had some outstanding moments in the second half,

680
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 5: But again, it's just really more about the level of

681
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 5: consistency with him against both the run and the pass,

682
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: because he's a little bit of a roller coaster right

683
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 5: now against both.

684
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Speaker 2: He's a great kid, he.

685
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 5: Works hard, that's not the question is just really about

686
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: putting it all together from a technique standpoint.

687
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: On the field.

688
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 5: If he can do that and if he can raise

689
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 5: his level of play, that will mean a lot for

690
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 5: this Eagles defense.

691
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: Ryan, is it too simplistic to just say it's your

692
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: second overall pit quarterback?

693
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Speaker 6: And I think that's the easy answer.

694
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I'm going to I'm gonna go on defense,

695
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: and I think it is Frankieluvu. You know a guy

696
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: that comes in that was used primarily as that ab

697
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: gap attacker as far as a blitzer up the middle,

698
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 4: And I think when you watch Frankie Carolina and then

699
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: what he's asked to do now to really play beside

700
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Speaker 4: Bobby Wagner in the hip pocket of a future Hall famer,

701
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see him. And I know a

702
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Speaker 4: lo out there excited to see what he does in

703
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: the front seven here because he is going to play

704
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: that hybrid type of role for this Commander's defense to

705
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: where he's going to be in the A gap, he's

706
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: going to play five tech, he's gonna be wide nine,

707
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: he's going to play in coverage. What he will be

708
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: beside Bobby Wagner this year is going to be huge

709
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: for the overall impact of this front seven that I

710
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: mentioned prior because all the attention every year is on

711
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: Deron Pain and John Allen. But it's a step back,

712
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: and Washington hasn't had good linebacker play since London Fletcher

713
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: was in town years ago, and prior to that it

714
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: was LaVar Arrington or in the two thousands. That's the

715
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: last time good, good linebacker play was in Washington. So

716
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: having Frankieluvu in the building where they paid handsomely to

717
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: come in from Carolina, having Bobby Wagner as that green

718
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 4: dot in the middle where they live in two linebackers

719
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 4: in the middle of the field, They're going to bring

720
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 4: some hybrid guys down, as Dan Quint did in Dallas.

721
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: Whether it's your Jeremy Chin's, you're Derek Forrest. They drafted

722
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: Dom Hampton out of Washington. He's not a safety, he

723
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: moved him down to linebacker. He's going to be that

724
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: hybrid piece as well. But overall, Frankie Louvu in the

725
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: middle of this defense, what it's going to do at

726
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: a variety of depths is gonna be huge for the

727
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: Brigadien Gold.

728
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: This year and for the Giants. Look, Daniel Jones is

729
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: the easy answer. You know, can he play better? But

730
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I think whether or not he plays better is a

731
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: lot to do with the two big units around him

732
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: right his targets, and I think the league Neighbors highlights

733
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: that list. I mean, guys, I've been here eighteen years now,

734
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: I've been at every training camp practice. He's the best

735
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: rookie I've ever seen now, keeping mind old O Beckham

736
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: Junior at a hamstring in his rookie year in training camp,

737
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: so I didn't get to see him in his rookie

738
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: training camp year. But the league neighbs has been dominant.

739
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: He's been that good. And I think they've gotten a

740
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: new offensive line coach, Carmen Brisillo, who's from Dante Scarneckia School,

741
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: came over from Vegas who did elevate an offensive line

742
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: there that did not have Pro Bowl Calbour players except

743
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: for Colton Miller. They brought in veterans from there as well.

744
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: I think the offensive line will not be the worst

745
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: in the league like it was last year. I think

746
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: they're hoping to get in like the twenty second area,

747
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: which would be a huge, you know, step up for

748
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: where the Giants were last year giving up eighty five sacks.

749
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: So I think they're taking enough steps offensively where they

750
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: can be more watchable than they have been frankly the

751
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and a lot of that is

752
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: to do Elie Neighbors. Can he be that number one guy?

753
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: Then you can slot Slayton Hyde and wonder Robminson into

754
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: where they belong on the debt chart, not where they

755
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: would have to be. And you know, I'm sure Bobby

756
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: talks back to the Ceede Lamb. His presence allows other

757
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: guys to be the best versions of themselves, and I

758
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: think that's the situation of Neighbors can be what he

759
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: looks like he is. And again, I hate to put

760
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: that in a rookie business, frankly, not fair, but I

761
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: really do think that's kind of where the Giants are

762
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: at this point. All right, let's kind of have more

763
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: of a free flowing here deal in the final fifteen minutes. Guys,

764
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: what do you think success means for your team? And

765
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: what does kind of this division look like to you? Fran?

766
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: Why don't we start with you?

767
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

768
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 5: For me, I mean success for this Equals team is

769
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 5: getting into the at least the second round of the

770
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 5: playoffs and beyond. So you want to start with winning

771
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 5: the division and then moving around from there. I think

772
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 5: anything short of that and there's gonna be serious discussions

773
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 5: about what the future of this team looks like and

774
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 5: what changes need to be made. So I think when

775
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 5: you look at this team, that's certainly high aspirations right

776
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 5: now now for the season.

777
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: How about you, Bobby, Yeah, I mean it's the same

778
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: standard it's been for thirty years now. They got to

779
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: get back to the conference title game. And you've heard

780
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: a lot from people, they'll say, Mike McCarthy's won twelve

781
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: games three years in a row. That's a great accomplishment.

782
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy wasn't brought in here to win twelve games

783
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 3: three years in row. Mike McCarthy was brought in here

784
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: to be different in January from what Jason Garrett did

785
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: and it hasn't been different yet. And so I think

786
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: for them, they've got to see conference title game this year.

787
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: If you don't get to the conference title game, anything

788
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: short of that, and there are a lot of this

789
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: is going to look very different. Entire coaching staff might

790
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: be different, and several players might be different. But I

791
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: think for everybody, for their futures here in Dallas, this

792
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: is a big make or break kind of year where

793
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: they've gotten it further than they've been the last twenty

794
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: eight twenty nine years.

795
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: And I realized there's no singular easy answer to this, Bobby.

796
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: But I mean, you'ven mentioned the thing you're hanging your

797
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: hat on is the chemistry between Dak and see Lamb.

798
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Even that didn't look right in the playoff game against

799
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: the Packers last year, right, Like, nothing looked right? Oddly?

800
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: What's going on in these playoff games? Bend?

801
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: You know it's that's the thing is that we've heard.

802
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: And I'm a big Dak Prescott defender. I think Dak

803
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: Prescott is one of the you know, top six or

804
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: seven quarterbacks in the NFL. And when the discussion has

805
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: come up about well, Dak really dropped the ball overhanded

806
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: this and it's like, okay, he could have put up

807
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: forty Green Bay was going to put up fifty five

808
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: that day. Like the only reason they scored forty eight

809
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: is because they said, all right, Mercy, we'll let you

810
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: guys have the fourth quarter. I mean, that just felt

811
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: like an utter collapse from guy one through fifty three,

812
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: which then makes me say, what's going on from the

813
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: top down? And in terms of preparation during the week

814
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: and their game plan and how they were ready to

815
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: attack because Green Bay came in there and punched him

816
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: in the mouth on both sides of the ball, and

817
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: they weren't prepared for it. So it's this is there

818
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: have been a lot a lot of points during the

819
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 3: playoff runs where it's, man, you've got a poor performance here,

820
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: and that was the difference. That's why you lost by

821
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: seven to San Francisco, or oh, that's why you lost

822
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: by three to Green Bay in twenty sixteen is because

823
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: this guy didn't perform. Last year was a sobering moment

824
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: for everybody, I think, where they said, how do you

825
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: walk into a playoff game at home and collectively just

826
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: nobody is any good, nobody looks prepared, and that was

827
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: something that's been tough for everybody to swallow. And I

828
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 3: don't know that they've been able to shake that feeling

829
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: completely yet. So I don't know that they have a

830
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: great answer to what happened last year for a complete

831
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: and total collapse across the board, But I think Mike

832
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: McCarthy probably recognized that, Look, I'm at the top, I'm

833
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: preparing everybody down below me, and so that ultimately falls

834
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: on me that you know, the whole team looked out

835
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: of swords.

836
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: Ryan, how about you?

837
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's about laying the foundation right in

838
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: Washington and that foundation is in the form of Jaden Daniels.

839
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: And you can also potentially say that your franchise left

840
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 4: tackle and Brandon Coleman or a guy for the future,

841
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: Mike Sanders still. So it's about advocating talent that they

842
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: haven't been able to do and it's such a long

843
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 4: time adding talent we get the draft and building from there.

844
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's gonna sit here and say that

845
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: Washington is a favorite in the East. Are not a

846
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: favor to puncher tickets or a wildcard around. But I

847
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: think when you look at this roster, fundamentally they have

848
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 4: a nice mix of youth infused talent. They have some veterans,

849
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: as I mentioned, Bobby Wagoner's going to be a major

850
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: addition in the front seven for that defense.

851
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 6: They have some talent there, but talent.

852
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 4: You know, you don't win games on a spreadsheet, right,

853
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 4: You got to line up nose who knows what the

854
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: man in front of you and execute come game day.

855
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 4: But overall, in twenty twenty four with Adam Peters all

856
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: the way down to Dan Quinn and Jayden and Daniels.

857
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: It's about laying the foundation for Washington. Hopefully, you know

858
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: what is a franchise that can get back to those

859
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 4: glory days that were so so, so long ago for Washington.

860
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 7: You love turf, You're good at it, So you start

861
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 7: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the

862
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 7: most celebrated name in turfs. Are you ready for all

863
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 7: that life brings? Yeah?

864
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: Look, I'm going to reference the Thanksgiving game the Giants

865
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: are playing in Dallas. I want to be able to

866
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: walk into that building and walk out of that building

867
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: thinking something is still at stake for the season. Right,

868
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: Can you still be in the mix and not like this,

869
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh well, if you win four games they lose four games,

870
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: you have a chance to get the seven seed in

871
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Like, can you legitimately have a real chance

872
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: to like compete for that final wildcard spot when you

873
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: hit December, which frankly has not happened enough for the

874
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: Giants over the past five or six years. It did

875
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: two years ago. Can you still be legitimately in the mix?

876
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Believe it? Or not. I know Bobby knows this, Fran

877
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: and Ryan probably don't. The Giants have never beaten Dak

878
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: Prescott as a starter starting quarterback for Dallas Cott Boys,

879
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: not once. I mean he's been in a league a

880
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: long time, had long time. Now that's a problem. So

881
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: you want to be competitive in December and try to

882
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: make that same type of run you made in twenty

883
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: twenty two. All right, I'll leave this wide open. You

884
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: guys can just give me your first thought that comes

885
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: to your mind about the division or even the conference

886
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: as you especially I think for Dallas and Phillies. You

887
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: guys are really competing to get to that championship game again,

888
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: to get to the Super Bowl. Fran, why don't we

889
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: start with you just kind of maybe you think, what's

890
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: going to be the twenty point of the NFL this year?

891
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: Just something that you think is really important in this

892
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: division or conference as you think about it in context

893
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: of the Eagles.

894
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I know all of you guys know this,

895
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 5: but one of my favorite stats in all of professional sports,

896
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 5: not just the NFL, but all of sports is the

897
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 5: fact that we have not had to repeat NFC's division

898
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 5: winner since two thousand and four thousand and five. That's ridiculous,

899
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 5: that's silly. So to me, I think that that continues

900
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 5: this year. I'm not gonna bet against that. So my

901
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 5: guess is that the Eagles are able to come out

902
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: on top here this year. I think that it's going

903
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 5: to be a two team race there.

904
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: At the top.

905
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 5: Obviously, as we've discussed between the Eagles and the Cowboys,

906
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 5: but it just feels like with the vibes in Dallas

907
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 5: and a lot of the things that Bobby has hit

908
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 5: on here today, it feels like the Eagles going into

909
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 5: the season have a little bit of the edge there.

910
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: But it's gonna be fun to just kind of see

911
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 5: things play out. I think this NFC is open because

912
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: it hasn't been great vibes out in San Francisco either.

913
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of things pointing out well for Detroit.

914
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 5: But I think when you look at the rest of

915
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 5: these teams in this conference, there is room year for

916
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: wins to be had, and so I think I look

917
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 5: at the Eagles, I look at Dallas, two teams that

918
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 5: are very capable of having double digit win seasons.

919
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: I just think that the Eagles more than likely come

920
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: away with the division.

921
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: How about you, Bobby.

922
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean things clicking into place. For Dallas,

923
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: everything goes right, you know, they could be a twelve

924
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: win team again if everything falls into place. But I

925
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: mean things very rarely do fall into place exactly the

926
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: way you want. I think what's more likely is that

927
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 3: the Cowboys are kind of going through this sobering evaluation

928
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 3: for themselves where they look and say, you know, we've

929
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: been pretty consistently for the last three years or so

930
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: right there with basically the forty nine ers, where it's

931
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: we're trying to catch them, but we're right there as

932
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: like the second team kind of jockeying with Philly. I

933
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 3: think they're this troubling point after the green Bay loss

934
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: where they feel like, I think green Bay's on the ascent,

935
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: Detroit's on the ascent rams played a lot better, and

936
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: now Doubts is stuck in this position where they go, conceivably,

937
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: are we the fifth or we the sixth best team

938
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: in the NFC? Not even like you know, talking about

939
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: in the NFL. We're talking about the NFC. Are we

940
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: fifth or six potentially? And I think that I would

941
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: not be surprised if this is a not well below.

942
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: But I would not be surprised if this is a

943
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: slightly below five hundred team this year, that they're eight

944
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: to nine or something like that, because it is just

945
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: it's got such a an odd it's such an odd moment

946
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: right now here in Dallas where you feel like nothing

947
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: is certain past this year. It's a very difficult schedule,

948
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: and they didn't do a whole lot to.

949
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: To buy in.

950
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: Even though Jerry us the all in quote all off season,

951
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: they didn't do a lot to have They added Eric

952
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: Kendricks and then since then, it's a bad sign to

953
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: me when you have added twelve players between August first

954
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: and August twentieth. With NFL veteran experience, that means you

955
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: know that you don't have things right here and you're

956
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: swapping pieces and kind of panicking a little bit. So Dallas,

957
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: absolutely things could click. They could be a twelve win team. Again,

958
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: I think more likely this is about a five hundred

959
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: t team and there's gonna be a lot of changes

960
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: after this season.

961
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Tell me, Bobby, I'm gonna bring this full circle down

962
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: to your first answer. Do you think that's part of

963
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: the calculation where if Dallas looks at their roster and

964
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: they say, all right, we're the fifth best team in

965
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: the NFC, fourth best team in the NFC. Can we

966
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: get better than that if we pay our quarterback sixty

967
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: million dollars? Like, if they can't realistically see a path there?

968
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: And again, I'm a big Dak Prescott fan too. I

969
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: think he's a top eight quarterback in the league. But

970
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: if we can't see a path with him at that number,

971
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: even if you don't and look, an unknown quarterback horizon

972
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: is a scary thing. All of our franchises have been

973
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: through that where we're trying to find a quarterback. It sucks.

974
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to go through it. It's really bad. That's

975
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: what you get Guys like Quincy Carter is your quarterback?

976
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Just go down the list for all of us. It's

977
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: not pretty. Is that what the calculation is in deciding

978
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: how much you're willing to invest in Dak that that

979
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: maybe they've hit their ceiling with him making that type

980
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: of level of salary.

981
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: I don't even know that it's that. I think it's

982
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: that they view themselves right now as this is the year.

983
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 3: They opened a window a couple years ago financially where

984
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: they did different things where they were flipping switches with

985
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: contracts and restructuring deals and pushing money off and this

986
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: year and next year kind of the two years to

987
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: pay the piper. And so I think they recognize that,

988
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: all right, they maybe want CD and Dak here long term.

989
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: These next two years might be difficult to put anything

990
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: around outside of young cheap talent. Well, it's rough when

991
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: you know you want young, cheap talent and you gave

992
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 3: away your fourth round pick for Trey Lance last year,

993
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: and so when you have certain things like that, or

994
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 3: you wanted Eric Scott in the sixth round a year ago,

995
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 3: so what did you do. You traded your fifth round

996
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: pick in twenty twenty four so that you could get

997
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: the sixth and twenty twenty three, and then you cut.

998
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: Eric Scott this year.

999
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: So when you need cheap talent to weather these two

1000
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: years cheap young talent, you need those to hit, and

1001
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: then you don't necessarily have the resources or those guys

1002
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: aren't hitting, like Mazzie Smith and Luke spoon Maker, and

1003
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: you're not getting these perfect drafts anymore. It kind of

1004
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: sets you back. So I think the Cowboys look at

1005
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: it and they say, we had a bad draft. We're

1006
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: gonna have to tighten our belt to the next couple

1007
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: of years. But after that we're fine building forward with

1008
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: DAK and CD. We just we need to weather this

1009
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: financial storm where we got to kind of let these

1010
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: charges hit the cap finally.

1011
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: And then Ryan, given where the Commanders are, maybe this

1012
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: isn't you know, talking about who's going to win the

1013
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, win the division, but something else that you

1014
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: kind of are fascinated about in terms of the division

1015
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: or the conference this year.

1016
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, John, I think we can.

1017
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: I can speak for both of us here in that

1018
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 4: the Giants and the Commanders League don't have much to

1019
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 4: lose here in twenty twenty four. So it is just

1020
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 4: working back on tracks and competing here in twenty twenty

1021
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 4: four and showing production in all three phases of the game.

1022
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: But I'm glad probably brought it up because I have

1023
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: a lot of questions with the Dallas roster and Philadelphia

1024
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 4: roster specifically what happened back end of last year, and

1025
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 4: it was Jalen Hurt's gonna regress. They brought in Saquon

1026
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: Barkley for a reason. A lot of skilled players in

1027
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 4: that offense, but Saquan is going to take touches away defensively,

1028
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: we talked about linebacker. I mean, I think if Dallas

1029
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: have not been able to figure out the linebacker position,

1030
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: I mean, you drafted Michael Parson as an off ball

1031
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 4: linebacker and away from individual players right Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb,

1032
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: Michael Park, Marcus Lawrence. That that sounds great on paper,

1033
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: but you're talking about Kayln Carson as a starter opposite

1034
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: right now of Trevon Diggs. Offensive line, you're starting two rookies.

1035
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 4: You don't have a running back that scares anybody as

1036
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: far as to expand that playbook offensively beyond Ceedee Lamb,

1037
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: you know, he's one injury away from Dayalen Tolbert, Ryan

1038
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: Flornoy and Brandon Cooks. So there's a lot of questions

1039
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 4: for me really with specifically Dallas, and I'm glad again

1040
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: probably brought it up. As far as potentially being an

1041
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 4: eight win team this year, I've see more of an

1042
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 4: eight win team right now, a nine to win team

1043
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: that's twelve or thirteen win team. So right now, I

1044
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 4: do think Philadelphia for me, is the team to beat

1045
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 4: in the division. I think Washington and the Giants are

1046
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: going to be a team that, you know, for our sake,

1047
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 4: John as far as potentially competing for a wildcard spot

1048
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 4: here in the NFC, overall is a conference perspective. Detroit's

1049
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: my number one team in the conference right now. I

1050
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: love what they're doing up there in Detroit and the

1051
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: editions they added in Ennish, Rakestraw and Terry on Arnold

1052
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 4: on defense, even though losing C J. Arthur Johnson back

1053
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: to Philly. But overall, I just think Washington and Giants

1054
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 4: have nothing to lose. Philly and Dallas are in huge

1055
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 4: years to where that Super Bowl window specifically Fulfilledladelphia they

1056
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: don't get this year. That window continues to shrink.

1057
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: All right, guys, final question, and you can take this

1058
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: anyway you want. I'm fascinated by team building, to be

1059
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: honest with you, and that'll be my answer. And we're

1060
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: seeing the forty nine ers struggle this right now. How

1061
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: much can we afford to a Brandon Ayuk? Can we

1062
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: give Trent Williams a raise, which I think is a

1063
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: much bigger deal than the AU thing, To be totally

1064
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: honest with you, We're seeing Dallas struggle this with Dak Prescott.

1065
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: We see the Eagles handle this by just you know,

1066
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: putting endless void years on the end of all of

1067
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: their contracts to push the money down the road. Right,

1068
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: the Giants do flat contracts. Obviously, the Commanders are starting

1069
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: from scratch. They're carrying a lot of salary cap space

1070
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: over So for I'll start with you, because I think

1071
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: the Eagles probably do this in a more unique way

1072
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: than a lot of other teams in terms of how

1073
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: they're building their team and trying to keep all their

1074
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: players avoid the cap issues. They're actually what twenty five

1075
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: million dollars out of the cap something like that. They're

1076
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna carry that into next year. So how do you

1077
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: see team building moving forward for just not only the Eagles,

1078
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: but in terms of the NFL and how the Eagles

1079
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: have done it in terms of trying to put a

1080
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: long term winner together, which in the salary cap world

1081
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: can be very very difficult.

1082
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, without getting too deep into the nitty gritty,

1083
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 5: and honestly, guys like I'm not the most well versed

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Speaker 5: in the nitty gritty when it comes to the salary

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Speaker 5: cap stuff, but when it comes down to it, you know,

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Lurry and the way that that he operates, I

1087
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 5: mean he's he is willing to put cash down for

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Speaker 5: this team, whether that means getting out of contracts or

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Speaker 5: whether that means footing the bill for contracts for down

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Speaker 5: the road. He is willing to put cash down to

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Speaker 5: help this football team and try and get a win,

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Speaker 5: another Super Bowl win. So really that's what it ultimately

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00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 5: comes down to, is that he is willing to make

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Speaker 5: some of those sacrifices that not all owners are. But

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Speaker 5: I think at the end of the day that that

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Speaker 5: is one way that they go about trying to make sure,

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00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 5: you know, we are always putting our best foot forward

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Speaker 5: with building this team. And then outside of that, it's

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Speaker 5: trying to stay true to their core philosophies of building

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Speaker 5: through the line of scrimmage, always operating the past game.

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Speaker 5: We want to have an elite the elite offense, so

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Speaker 5: trying to state stay true to those core values, while

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Speaker 5: also again you're using cash to be able to to

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Speaker 5: with the bill whenever possible.

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Speaker 1: And then Bobby, I think the Cowboys are interesting because

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Speaker 1: you guys build so well through the draft, right. Will

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Speaker 1: McLay is just a really good evaluator. I know, based

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Speaker 1: on what I see on Twitter, Cowboy fans don't seem

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Speaker 1: to think that Jerry Jones likes to spend enough. But

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Speaker 1: I looked at some of the stuff on the books,

1111
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Speaker 1: and they have dead money next year for Martin and

1112
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Speaker 1: Prescott A Gillboards of forty to sixty million dollars. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: how much more dead money do you guys want to

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Speaker 1: pack into a year. I don't get the complaints, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, but maybe I'm wrong, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm looking from the outside in here. So how do

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00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: you see the Cowboys trying to evolve here as teams

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00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how a team build when as

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Speaker 1: all these top salaries for top players kind of go

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Speaker 1: off the charts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, A good example of the dead money for the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys Isekiel Elliott's cap number this year is two million,

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Speaker 3: but that's his current cap number. He also has six

1124
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Speaker 3: million in dead money from being released last year that

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Speaker 3: they split the cap charge that's also sitting there, So

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Speaker 3: is Ekiel Elliott is being charged twice to your salary

1127
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 3: cap this year totally eight million dollars. But that's the

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Speaker 3: kind of that's the kind of thing they did where

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Speaker 3: they tried to open a window where they went financially

1130
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Speaker 3: all in and now they've had their issues. The Cowboys

1131
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: do draft really well. Will mclay's done a great job

1132
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Speaker 3: not only with his evaluations, but he did something kind

1133
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: of unique, I think, where they built up an entire

1134
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: scouting staff kind of from scratch under Will's guidance and

1135
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: then taught them Will's ways and the way that he

1136
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: looks at things. And their scouting staff has a lot

1137
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Speaker 3: of really great rising stars now, Mitchell Point, Chris Vaughan, Ross, Winchy, Klein, Kubiak, Like,

1138
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Speaker 3: they've got all these guys who are really good talent

1139
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: evaluators and they've It's almost kind of been a double

1140
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: edged sword in that they're so good at drafting that

1141
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: it feels like ownership kind of goes well, they'll bail

1142
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: us out, They'll they'll get all the players, they'll nail

1143
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: these guys, and so we don't need to go at

1144
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: this over here, this over here, We'll just let the

1145
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: draft hit for us. Well, the draft is is, you know,

1146
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: not an exact science, and you're gonna have every now

1147
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: and then a draft that just doesn't hit. Dallas has

1148
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 3: had a better hit rate than a lot of folks.

1149
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: But you are gonna have of you know, last year's draft.

1150
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: Every now, I'm Mazzi Smith, Luke Schoonmaker, your fourth round pick,

1151
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: Junior Fojoko, who you just waved like you're gonna have

1152
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: these issues every now and then. Were drafts crop up

1153
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: like that? And when that happens, becomes just critical to

1154
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: your team's health because you didn't do anything to supplement

1155
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: it at all. So I think building through the draft

1156
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Speaker 3: the way the Cowboys doing Will mclay's, the way that

1157
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: he's built up his scouting staff a really strong personnel department.

1158
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's a great way to approach it.

1159
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: You've got to have some willingness to spend a little

1160
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Speaker 3: bit more money. My favorite stat back in the day

1161
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Speaker 3: that I used to throw out to Cowboys fans who

1162
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 3: talked about free agent spending was that every Super Bowl winner,

1163
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 3: I believe from twenty thirteen to twenty twenty one had

1164
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: spent more guaranteed money on one outside free agent than

1165
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 3: the Cowboys had spent in that same offseason on their

1166
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: entire outside free agent class.

1167
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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And so whether it was Darrell Revis or you know,

1169
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: different guys like that. On Darell Revs on the Patriots

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Speaker 3: or another year somebody else. Cowboys. The most guarantees I

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Speaker 3: think they ever gave out somebody was Cedric Thornton during

1172
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: that run, which was like eight million guaranteed, And so

1173
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: they just don't come close in that respect. But I

1174
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: think the Will McClay method and going to the personnel

1175
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: department that way, that is the way to build. But

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Speaker 3: you've also got to supplement that to some extent. You

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Speaker 3: can't just put it all on your personal department. That's

1178
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: too much pressure to put on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and on young players in their first and second year,

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Speaker 1: which which which kind of get very tough. Ryan, You've

1181
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: an owner with deep pockets down there with with the commanders. Now,

1182
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: obviously you don't want to flex that too early until

1183
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: you're ready to do. So. How do you see them

1184
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: kind of approaching this team building process?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we can all remember the Dan Snyder

1186
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: Vinnie Serrato days of old, right, Albert Haynesworth, OJ todg Way,

1187
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 4: you know the interest of Nomdy Awesome while before he

1188
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: goes to film. I mean, it was a long time

1189
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Speaker 4: ago where they were just paying a hundred million guaranteed

1190
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Speaker 4: to a lot of different players. That's not the approach

1191
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Speaker 4: from Adam Peters. You know he's going to build through

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Speaker 4: the draft, and I think you saw that this year

1193
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Speaker 4: and even just recently trading John dottson now that no

1194
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 4: one's going to be moved by two seventh rounders, but

1195
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Speaker 4: that third rounder may come back. Maybe they package that

1196
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Speaker 4: for another deal. Who knows, right, Jonathan Allen's coming up

1197
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Speaker 4: on a potential. Another extension is is Johnny Newton going

1198
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Speaker 4: to be that player that replaces him along the interior

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Speaker 4: and they want to move him for capital.

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Speaker 6: We'll see.

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Speaker 4: But Adam Peters, as he did in San Franz hip

1202
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Speaker 4: to hip with John Lynch, They're going to continue to

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Speaker 4: build through the draft, and right now.

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Speaker 6: Little is a blank slate if he will.

1205
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Speaker 4: From Adam Peters, is it really is his first offseason

1206
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Speaker 4: brought in free agents on a few prove it deals, right?

1207
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Speaker 4: You think of Austin Eckler, Cleveland Ferrell, Dante Fowler junior

1208
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Speaker 4: prove it right a little bit along this front seven.

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Speaker 4: So I'm excited personally a lot of people should be

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Speaker 4: excited about what the Commanders are going to do, both

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Speaker 4: in Washington and elsewhere. As far as the next really

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Speaker 4: four or five six years. But overall he's going to

1213
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Speaker 4: continue to build through the draft and as he did

1214
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Speaker 4: in San Francisco, to really what they've become here.

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Speaker 6: In the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, this has been fun. Tell the folks where'd they

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Speaker 1: go find your work? Ryan, Let's start with you.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Bleacher Report, Draft Network and on Twitter if you

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Speaker 4: don't follow me there already at Underscore Ryan Fowler. My

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Speaker 4: podcast is Commanding the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle, frand you got a new home. Tell people where

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: Yep. You can follow me on Twitter at FDFFY NFL.

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Speaker 2: You can check out my.

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Speaker 5: Eagles coverage with phl Y Eagles and then draft coverage

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Speaker 5: across the entire All City Network Bobby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Monday through Friday one o five through the Fans

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Speaker 3: six to ten am covering the Cowboys there on the

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Speaker 3: website to my podcast Love the Star with Brian brought

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Speaker 3: us friend of the Show here, and then draft coverage

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Speaker 3: starting around January all the way through April for Dallascowboys

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Speaker 3: dot Com.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're about to kick off another season.

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Speaker 1: It should be a lot of fun. We thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us on our NFC's Roundtable presented by the

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Speaker 1: Giants Little Podcast brought to you by citizens, the official

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Speaker 1: bank of the Giants. For our team, I am John Schmulk.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,