WEBVTT - Ep. 434: My Mule Deer Can Kick Your Whitetail’s Ass 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.440 Oh, hey, if you're listening, you're gonna have to just 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:04.080 finish listening to the show later. There's something more important 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.960 that you need to be doing. If you remember back 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:12.480 a few episodes we had on some anthropologists and archaeologists, 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.840 and we talked about a project in which me and 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.720 some other folks from the Meat Eater crew went out 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:25.119 and butchered a bison using stone tools. We used particularly 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:31.639 Clovis points, Clovis projectile points, stone flakes, and we like gutted, skinned, butchered, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:36.480 boned out, and entire bison in collaboration with researchers from 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:43.040 Kent State University, SMU, Southern Methodist University, and Oregon State 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.800 University as all part of this broader study about developing 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.760 a toolkit, so to speak, for how to interpret what 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.040 happened at Ice Age kill sites where all you have 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:59.040 left is bone in stone. So we were using stone 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.120 tools to butcher animal, and then the research was to 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.119 be able to like look at what happened to these bones, 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.800 what happened to these stones, and use it as clues 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.479 right to put together the puzzles of what was going 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.319 on when hunters during the Ice Age were chopping up 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.480 bison and wooly mammoths and whatnot. That is now an 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.920 episode that we've put together for YouTube. It is available 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.720 right now on the me eater YouTube channel. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.520 If this is the me Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.920 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.520 Listeningcast, you can't predict. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:47.200 Anything presented by first Light creating proven versatile hunting apparel 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.080 from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear. For every hunt, 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:58.720 first Light Go Farther, stay longer. Phil's got a new haircut. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.760 I do, yes, very boyish. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.600 Oh no, he looks like Yeah, he looks like one 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.160 of my kids if I took a scissors. If I 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.400 took a scissors and just clicked the little in the front, 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.960 he'd have exactly my eight year old's haircut. Looks great. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.560 Does your wife like it or not like it? She 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:18.000 likes it? 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.480 Yeah, yeah, I was. I I was getting shaggy. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.480 I had a haircut scheduled when we went to NWTF 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.200 be honest, and then we ended up leaving town, so 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.079 I had to cancel. Whenever I cancel an appointment, I don't 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.720 know if anyone else is like this. If I have 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.560 something set on my calendar and I have to get 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:32.840 rid of it. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:33.480 For some reason. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.800 I never have the motivation to reschedule it. I just 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.720 forget about it until it catches up with me. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.440 That's what keeps happening with my thing where they're supposed 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.720 to put a probe in my butt. Oh, Beau, I'm 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.320 that age, Huh. I just like I just can't. It's 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.679 not that I don't want the experiences. I don't want 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.840 to know if there's a problem. Yes, I get that, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:02.160 So you're you want the experience. No, I'm indifferent to it. Man, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.160 if we weren't, if this wasn't a bro like listen, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:11.640 if we were just talking privately and I and I 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.440 didn't have any there may be a few people. If 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.000 we were talking privately and I didn't have any and 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.160 there's nothing like I would tell you a. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.080 Story that'll curl your hair. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.360 No, that would explain why how I've come to be, 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.000 What what medical experience I had? That would that made 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:35.840 me indifferent to the experience. Okay, but it's like I 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.000 I like I would be. I just don't. I don't 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.000 want to find out that I know I have a problem. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.280 Can't they do that by blood work? 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:43.440 Now? 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.280 Though that's what I thought you. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.120 I thought that my doctor was telling me that there's 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.960 at least for a while the next ten years, that 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:52.200 we didn't have to go down. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.720 Well, they changed it and then someone brought it back 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.960 up not long ago, and for a while they bumped 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.720 it Like I got aged. I was I aged in 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:04.280 and an I aged out? Am I the oldest person here? 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.400 Oh you, Brent Reiths fifty seven just turned fifty. You 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.880 got a clear long time on me. I gotta lead. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.000 How's your colon? I could be? Situation pretty good. I 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:21.520 don't want to talk about it. We're all good. One 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:27.080 more thing, Clay, have you switched to all fire retardant clothing? 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.880 Is there something you know about? Listen? I bought this 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.040 shirt the other day because I just liked it. You 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.640 didn't realize it was fire retard I. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.920 Paid quite a bit of money for it, and when 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:36.560 I got out to. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.600 The truck, I was like, this sucker's fire retarded man. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.760 And I felt really good about it, and I've been 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.720 wearing it all over just I feel like. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:48.320 I feel bulletproof. You know. When the back and oil 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:53.279 field was like totally kicking ass and had half the 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.600 country living over there, I went into a store there 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:03.159 they have like fire tardant lingerie because you have to 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.800 have fire retardant close. So they supply all your needs, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:14.240 not your personal needs. Wow. Joined today by Tony Paterson. 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:22.560 You you disagree with Kansas trailcam thing. I think it's dumb. Yeah, 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:23.320 I do. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.680 I mean, I know, I know the reason why they 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.960 said it. They're going to ban it because there's hunter conflicts. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.360 But I just I don't think that's the issue. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:31.520 What do you think the issue is. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.000 I think the issue is people are just really bitching 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.360 a lot about too much pressure out there, and they're 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.240 finding ways to try to cut it down. I mean, 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.080 what we're seeing in the white Tail space is Western 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.520 hunting moving east. You know, people are really gatekeeping on 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.920 the public land thing, and that's moving. You know, we're 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.880 seeing that, you know, South Dakota and Nebraska and now 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.479 Kansas and it just keeps coming east. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:56.839 Explain that more. What do you mean? 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.479 I mean, it's the classic resident non resident fight, right, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.359 and you know, residents have power over the non residents 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.920 and they will wield it. And I look at that 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.880 and I go, you know, if you have if you 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.360 have a problem like oh, there's too much pressure on 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.880 this Kansas public land. The first reaction we have is 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.359 take something away, and we take something away and we 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.280 never give it back, and it's either an opportunity or 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.360 something like that. And I just don't see, you know, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.040 I don't see Kansas whitetail hunters the same way you 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.320 saw like Arizona water holes or you know some of 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.760 the Western like really tight water sources that you know, 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.240 twenty seven cameras on one tree type of thing. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:37.960 I just don't think it was that big of a deal. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.720 I know, twelve years ago you could bow lift over tags. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.279 On your way to Kansas's bow hunting opener. You could 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.279 stop in Walmart and buy a lift over tag. And 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.520 now it's they go when they go out for the draw, 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:53.440 they're gone before midnight. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.640 That's it. People got wander lost now. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:55.840 Man. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.320 But are you saying the West companies is more like 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:02.440 the West problems are now all so arising and showing up. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.880 The strategies are showing up, the strategies that the problem 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.840 is actually moved from the East to the West, and 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.840 now the strategies are coming back, you know, because we've 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.520 been dealing with hunting pressure. You know, public land has 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.360 been real busy in a lot of wait till states 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.800 for a long time, and now you know that kind 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.680 of moved out west. Everybody wanted to go hunt ELK 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.000 and over the counter units and we're just kind of 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:24.640 watching that wave wash back. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.480 But I just I look at. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.400 That and I go one of the solutions that I 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.880 think we should be looking at is more public land, 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.800 Like how do we do more walk in programs? How 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:35.680 do we fund this better? Because when you look at 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.600 these problems, it's always an access thing. We don't have 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.600 enough space for people anymore. And I'm like, let's let's 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.480 try to make some more space instead of always just 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.239 defaulting to taking away something. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:49.320 So you think that there was a conversation in which 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:54.400 someone said, I want to stick it to non residence. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.080 The way I'd like to stick it to non residence 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.960 is make it that no one resident or non resident. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.520 Can you use a trail cam on public land in Kansas, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.000 but let's act like it's hunter conflict. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.640 Did you see the meeting that they had, Oh, I 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.160 think I think partially. I think you know, when you 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:20.119 when you do something like that, you're disproportionately affecting non residents, right, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:21.840 I mean, what do you think. 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.600 Because they're not around to run their cameras. Well, they're 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.760 and they're the ones are they able to put you 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.520 don't think? So you don't run cameras in any other state? 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.440 You've never done that? Well I would, I I'm not there. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.959 Have you ever been to another state? Yeah, because I 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:40.400 run states. I run a camera. I run a camera 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:46.080 basically aimed into the woods from my fish shack. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.199 Now, I know guys in Arkansas that have like thirty 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.600 plus cameras in Kansas all round. 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.319 Oh listen, I'm not like, I mean. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.640 I can tell you that cameras in Wisconsin. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.760 Yeah, but wait, you don't live in Wisconsin, do you no? 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.120 How'd you do it? That's a good question. Listen. I'm 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:12.880 so all right, listen, Okay, that's wrong about that detail. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.720 But I just think it's like, I think it's too 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:21.480 It feels to me like it's too sort of uh indirect. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.480 Maybe it's too indirect, maybe like it's an indirect way 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:26.360 to stick it to them. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.120 Yeah, I mean I don't think that's like, I don't 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:30.520 think that's like the primary reason. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.080 I think it's just one thing that happens. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.720 But I and listen, I'm super sensitive to this because 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.719 you know, Clay, you and I have talked about this 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.240 where we look at like when I was growing up, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.720 I started bow hunting in nineteen ninety two, right when 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.040 I turned twelve, and the enemy was the anti hunters, 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.319 Like that was when animal rights activists and stuff like 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.960 that was like the boogeyman, and like they're taking away 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.280 our opportunities. And now I look at it state to 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.640 state to state, and we will take away opportunities from 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.480 each other all the time if it helps us. And 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.600 I just think it's so bad, Like I think it's 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:01.280 so danger. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.079 Do you think you should be able to do you 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.440 think you should be able to hunt moose with a drone? 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.680 I don't really know the answer is no. So you're 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.360 comfortable that's stripping that opportunity away from somebody? 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.000 No, no, no, no, listen, I'm not I'm not like a 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.720 super defender of trail cameras. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.200 Like I don't really care about that part of it. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.959 Like if they took it away, wouldn't affect my success 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.679 hunting at all. Same thing, like if they were like, oh, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:30.760 no more food plots, no more bait or whatever, Like 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.920 I don't care personally. I just look at when these 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.120 things go away, they just don't come back. And I 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.560 don't think that's a resource issue when you say no 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.920 more trail cameras on public land, it's not. It's not 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.040 like that was causing, you know, the white tail population 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.640 to plumbt because people were so effective at hunting. Yeah, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.920 you know so, And I you know, the drone thing, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.280 the technology thing, Like I'm I'm super sensitive to that, 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.480 Like I don't. I look at the cell camera movement 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.360 and the live stream movement with cameras and stuff, and 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.040 I'm like, it doesn't make me feel good. But I 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.800 also look at how quickly we'll give something up if 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.320 it doesn't really like it would be kind of like 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.280 I don't trap. I don't, I have no interest in trapping. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:10.880 But I will defend your right. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.319 To do it. Well you should, because I'll explain why. Yeah, 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.760 I'm glad you brought that up. I think that I'm 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.840 trying to develop a principle. I might call it the 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.200 I think I need a name for it, Ronella principle. No, 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.600 so it sounds too self serving guard the gate. No 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.040 either way, I'll work on the name of the principle later. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:41.880 But what you do is, are you familiar with with 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:50.200 the way Alaska might bow to defer to traditional use practices. Yeah, okay, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.320 as we add new things in Okay, as new technologies emerge, 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.000 and we need to pick and choose which of these 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.280 we're going to go with, right, So pretty clearly we 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:08.160 decided early on, we decided that drones would would be 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:14.040 too up would be would upset a system that we'd 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.800 already created. Mean that you could take a drone over 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.040 a willow flat or over the top of a mountain 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.720 and check the r side to see if there's elk 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.440 using a certain meadow and get a live feed of 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.760 what they're doing and then make your plan accordingly, we decided, well, no, 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.120 because that will undo our that'll impact our habits, that 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.920 will impact the systems that we have in place about 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.160 how we control efficacy and what we regard as No, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.040 not even I don't even want to get into ethics. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:48.599 It'll upset and ingrained long in place system that we 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.400 have about how we pursue game okay, And we decided 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.560 not to do that because it would upset the norm 0:12:53.640 --> 0:13:00.920 too much. So there were we're putting a we're dismissing 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:06.880 something new and preservation of an established norm. Okay, if 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:11.079 you go the more you go back, I'll open up 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.480 a criticism of my own argument a minute. But if 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:20.920 you go back and start undoing the norm, I think 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.080 that that's equally upsetting, Meaning I wouldn't undo the norm 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.120 in order to make room for the new one. Would 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.440 go like, okay, but how come so you would prefer 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.120 that we still could use punt guns at night for waterfowl? Right, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.720 there's a limit to the logic I'm applying, but I'm 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:43.280 not applying it. I'm not applying it retroactively. I'm not 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.640 saying that the norm should be extended back to eighteen 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.840 fifty or nineteen hundred. I'm saying, if we establish a 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.680 baseline norm right now, I'm very interested in defending the 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:57.880 baseline norm, knowing that to defend the baseline norm, we're 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.679 going to need to make hard decisions about things that 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.640 emerge in the future in terms of efficacy, right, and 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.640 primarily in the way that it in the way that 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:18.280 it preserves opportunity, you know, meaning things that allow it 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.000 to be that if you know, you can kill one 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.280 hundred elk off a mountain, things that let one thousand 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.880 people take a shot at it, rather than one hundred. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.960 So if the camera thing, and I don't know, is 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.560 there evidence that it increased, does it really helped efficacy? 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.240 I don't think so. I mean, I really, I actually 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:40.720 think it hurts people. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.880 Yeah, I've never seen an argument that since cameras, since 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.360 cameras became prevalent, that public land efficacy is shot through 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:49.560 the roof. I've never seen that. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.360 I hunt white tails a lot, and I think that 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.280 they're I don't think they do us as many favors 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.320 as people think. And I think people look at them 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.440 as like it's a shortcut to scouting and it's just not. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.440 You know, and listen, I get the argument in Kansas 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.640 or I get the public land argument of like claiming 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.800 a spot because that sucks, right, like you walk in 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.360 somebody's got a stand or somebody's got a camera. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:08.480 Like. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.280 I get that, So I get that argument about it. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.040 I just don't think, like, I don't think this was 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.400 the answer to their problems. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.120 I don't. So, you know, I laid out like this 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.000 because we kind of straight into this idea of you 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.800 would defend trapping, and I think you ought to. I 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.520 don't know that that the trail cam thing, like I've 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.080 never seen any evidence or any argument the trail cams 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.040 were increasing efficacy to the point where they had like 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.280 cut back on how many people were allowed to hunt 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.520 because everybody's killing deer because they've got trail cameras. I 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:42.200 haven't seen that, and I don't think that them doing 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:47.760 the trail cam thing is going to alleviate pressure on 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:52.200 public lands. I mean, do you think there's dudes that 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.120 are gonna be like, well, screwed, I'm not gonna hunt. No, no, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.560 So I think that it really is that you feel 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.840 like when you're on there's an assumption, there is an 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:10.280 assumption of privacy. When you're in the woods, and taken 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:14.440 to an extreme, you go on to public land with 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.480 the assumption of privacy, but you've entered a surveillance state 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.880 that it's no different than walking into seven to eleven 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.200 the number of cameras aimed at you, and I think 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.120 that that pisses people off and it's unnerving. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:32.240 Sure, I think it's really hard. I mean for me 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.560 to think, Okay, you could probably go walk through seven 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.800 thousand miles of public land in Kansas and you might 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.040 not have gotten your picture taken. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.200 I can tell you about a spot in Florida where 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:42.480 you did. 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.880 Yeah, listen, I've seen it seven hundred yards. But I 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:47.240 just I look at it and I just go I 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.480 just don't. I get why people are pissed at it. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:50.840 I get why they want it to go away. I 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.840 understand that. I just don't think it's the solution to 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:54.360 the problem. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:59.480 Is part of it, not disturbance at non hunting times 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.560 of the year, those guys are just like year round 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.720 running trail cameras and they're going in and they're monkeying 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.840 around with stuff. Was part of it, not just disturbance. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.080 It's kind of like them putting limitations on shed hunting. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.120 You can't shed hunt until this time because we're trying 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:12.439 to give these animals a break. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.239 That might have been part of the We pause real 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.240 quick so I can finish introductions, because now you got 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.280 this the whole. You got this hold of ball there, doude, 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.600 And there's a lot to say about that. Sure, let's do. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.600 Let's do some introduction. Joined today for the first time ever. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.879 Boy Brent reeves glad to be here. Man, if you 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.840 haven't heard them before, you're gonna hear about them all 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.600 the time, true story, all the time. I heard a 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.720 lot of people talking last night about Taylor Swift. Mm hmm. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.440 You think you hear about her a lot? Wait, wait 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.840 till Brent Reid's new podcast starts up the boom. That's 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.600 pretty good's new podcast. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.200 Yeah, this Country Life, How to cheat the system, How 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:58.080 to beat the system. You gotta beat them, beat them 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.800 at their own game. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:00.440 Brent. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.640 People would know if they listen to bar people would 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.280 People would know Brent from the bear grea surrender and 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.160 just lots of bear grease stuff. So Brent's a longtime 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:08.720 friend of mine. 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.640 M hm. Clay has been an advocate. Tell the whole 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:15.080 story Clay about about Brent. We'll come back to it. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:17.560 Join Today by Jordan Bud. 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:18.600 What's up. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:19.240 How's it going? 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.200 It's going good, Glad to be here. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:23.960 You got guiding coming up. 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.399 Yeah, had three archery guys for turkeys and really it 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.280 had to miss and a snowstorm. So yeah, it's been 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:32.920 a little rough. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.119 That was tough. Yeah, probably just because the season is 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:37.200 it's not like springy. 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.520 It's really not springy. No, and it's currently a snowstorm 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.560 there right now too, So I think a future I'm 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.600 just gonna hold off on the archery season till you know, 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:47.719 further into April. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.919 How many clients you got coming for regular turkey? 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:50.359 Eight? 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:50.760 I think? 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:51.600 Are you filled up? 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:51.920 Yeah? 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:56.040 Yeah, filled up? Yeah, So that's good and people want 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.680 to want to book out to twenty four to twenty five. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.560 So excellent. Crazy you got eight turkeys running around? 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.760 Yeah, there was eight shredders. My dad sent me a 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.399 picture in the arm yesterday morning. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.920 Yeah, and I filled his new haircut. Jason Phillips is here. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.080 Thanks for having me. It's a packed toiles. Clay Nukem, Hello, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.399 and Janus Putiless. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:18.479 Good morning. 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:24.000 Okay, finished off what you're saying now, Well, just about 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:25.440 Brent and his podcast. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.159 No, no, no, no, no no, we'll get to that. We gotta go. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.240 Yeah, you got you're bringing up a whole other thing 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.800 that that that that. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.080 The effect on wildlife effects on because because this is 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.840 the thing you've been here, listen, I got, I gotta, 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.720 I have a go ahead. Well, I just I just 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:46.480 said what I had heard. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.719 I just asked somebody that was I felt like in 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.000 the know, and I said, why did they do it? 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.159 Why did they bend trail cameras in Kansas? And he 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.320 said the first thing he said was it was an 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:02.960 issue of disturbance of wildlife, yep, And that was that 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.240 was his interpretation, probably many many things. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.159 Let me Okay, you know how when you're normally like 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.480 a normal person who has a real ax to grind, 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.119 and they like we see with the media, right like, 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.399 depending on where you get your media, you see that 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.360 they omit a lot of information in order to accentuate 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.800 the parts that they're interested in, right right, that's like 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:34.200 a so people who are ideologues, and in some ways 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.719 I am would never say a thing that would damage 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:43.200 their own argument. But in the spirit of not being 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.159 that way, I'm going to point something out. I have 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.199 been seeing a lot of things in the news and 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:53.360 I've even jumped on them where hunters have said where 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.760 hunters are looking at other land users or land use 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.960 practices and saying it disturbs wildlife. So there's all this 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.359 stuff around Colorado, and we've reported on a bunch of 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:09.160 it where hikers, okay, recreationalists are disturbing wildlife. You want 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:16.960 to know what disturbs wildlife? Kevin kidding me? Yeah, Well, 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.639 they're saying that Colorado is too wet hikers and it's 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:25.080 scaring elk Off I mean, it's like holy shit, like really. 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.879 But no, don't you remember we did a whole podcast 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.840 yes with mill the warden from Colorado, and it was 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.760 the fact that it was a twenty four hour a day, 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:41.280 three sixty five pressure where he's like, look, yeah, hunters 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.960 apply a lot of pressure, but it's we're about two months. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.919 But the other recreation, now that is year round in 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.439 those mountains, and it literally is like he's saying, on 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:55.560 top of a fourteen or in January at midnight, it's 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.359 not surprising to see a headlamp up there because there's 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:02.640 some person went extreme and climbing to fourteen or January 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.120 first at you know, at midnight in a snowstorm. It's 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.199 just a thing now, right, And there's just pressure and 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.720 just human activities all the time, and like you said, 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:15.440 it just slowly but surely, just little chips at those 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.040 deer when they every time they got to lift their 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.960 head up just to see a passer by, that takes 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.399 them away from taking that one bite of grass. And 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:25.280 when that happens every single day, multiple times a day, 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:26.600 it adds up to a lot of stress. 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.040 Yeah, yeah, you're right, I forgot about that. He did 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:34.880 acknowledge the thing, But there are a few months out 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:38.560 of the year where I'm talking public, private, whatever, there's 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:40.280 a few months out of the year where most things 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:49.520 need to adjust their behavior in radical fashion because hunters 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.399 are disturbing wildlife. So I'm just saying, like people in 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:58.000 glasshouses don't throw stones and some respects. But there's a 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:00.199 churn to the three hundred and sixty five days a 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.000 year thing. But I always like a little bit when 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.520 I hear that argument, I'm always like a little bit late. Listen, 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:09.639 Let's let's be honest. No, I agree, yeah, Like you 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.680 look where ducks want to go and then where they 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.080 need to go. It's two different things. 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.720 And I don't know the legs that that argument actually 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.359 had in terms of was that the real reason, But 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.560 you know, it feels to me like it it feels 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:30.240 to me like a like an action point that an 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.800 agency was able to take to kind of slap down 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:40.960 just the encroachment of technology on to the traditional way 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.640 of hunting. I mean, whether that actually cross somebody's mind 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.960 or not, it feels like what it is because it 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.879 is outrageous, Like if we could take you know, somebody 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.119 from nineteen eighty four that was a bow Hunter was 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:57.199 a Turkey hunt. Well, let's even say the nineties when 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.840 things were a little bit more modern, after television and 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.399 some of the you know, more modern things happen, and 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.880 you put them in today's world and had them interview 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.639 a guy and said, what are your number one priorities 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:11.879 this year? I guarantee in the top three would be 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.080 putting out trail cameras so that I can get intail 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:17.280 about wildlife without being there. 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.600 And people would go, what are you serious? 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.320 I mean, the trail cam thing is wild, and man, 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.440 I'm I play the game, so don't you know, don't 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.320 hate the player or don't hate the don't hate the player. 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:35.320 Yeah, Holms, you can fool me once, but you can't 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:36.920 fool me. What I'm trying to say that you can't 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:37.480 fool me again. 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.639 The this trail cams are crazy, man, And I mean 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:44.640 I use them like I use them like crazy. 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:45.760 It is. 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:51.280 It is wild how dependent we are on technology for that. 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.199 And if you want to talk about fair Chase, I 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.720 say this privately to people, like people want to talk 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.960 about using dogs or bait or something, and say, fair Chase, 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.920 Lord of Mercy Son, take the GPS on your phone 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:07.159 and a trail camera. You if if we were on 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.080 a different planet in front of an unbiased judge, and 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.440 I had somebody that was telling me I wasn't fair 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.720 Chase for using dogs and bait, and you had satellite 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.320 GPS mapping on your phone, and just a trail camera went. 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:22.880 You went from a jury and this I would win. Yeah, 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:26.520 pick which one of these guys is unfair? I mean, 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.359 it's true. I gotta ask you this though. 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:32.320 If I said, Clay, in the next week, you got 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.280 to kill a deer, I said, you can take this 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:36.520 trail camera or you can take this bag of corn. 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:37.760 You picked the trail camera. 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.200 That's a that's a great that's a great comment that 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.920 what would you? I would pick the corn too, But 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:49.360 but I'm just saying that in the broader. 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.960 In the bread, that's can we change the question? That's 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.520 a great You have a year to kill a big 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:58.879 smoker buck, trail camera, corn, trail camera? 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:04.639 Really, I mean, I have to think about it. 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:04.880 All. 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:09.080 I'm saying, that's a great comment. I'm not saying what 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:12.080 you're saying is true. But I'm just saying I kill 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:16.720 a lot of stuff because of trail cameras. It encourages 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:20.160 me beyond like I work harder because of trail cameras. 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.000 I mean, like there's intangible factors like I got a 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.879 picture of a of a I got a picture of 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:28.399 I don't even want to say what kind of animal 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.880 it was on my trail camera yesterday on my cell phone. 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.880 I'm sitting here in Montana and I'm pumped, and I'm 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.800 thinking about what I'm going to do this fall. But 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.119 I'm doing stuff I would not be doing. 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:44.520 Big old coon, Hey man, I could have caught it. 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.600 I could have caught a raccoon off trail camera, but 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:51.040 shows not to caught one. Oh every night he crosses 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:55.560 on this beaver. Damn easy pickings. Mm hmm. But I 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:59.320 let him walk. That's that's fair. Hey Tony, let me 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:00.800 say this. Let me what response to you. 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:06.119 If you're out west, I would totally take Like if 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.440 you're in the eastern deciduous forest where I live, yeah, 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:09.640 a bag of corn is going to be. 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:10.800 But if you were in a place where you weren't 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:12.080 allowed to use corn. 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:16.720 Well, I mean, if you're out west, like the GPS 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.399 on your phone is taking people into places they would 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.639 never have the courage to go or the guts to 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.280 go or know was there. I mean, just the point 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.560 is is that there's a lot of stuff going on. 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.480 It's not always Apple styles. Dude, I totally agree with you. 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.800 I honestly think one of the biggest advantages and one 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.080 of the biggest problems we have now is it's so 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.680 easy for you to pull up your phone in scout 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.080 a spot. I mean, you can find public land anywhere 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.679 private landowners, and I love it. But it's just opened 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.360 up this world to everyone that you know, twenty years 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.520 ago just wasn't there, and that I think that's a 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.679 at least as big of a game changer as the 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:54.160 proliferation of trail cameras. 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.040 You know, it's possible to have both because even like 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.120 I've always loved alcohol, to drink too much alcohol me too, 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.560 And when I drank too much alcohol, I was like, 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:09.000 you know what, they should probably never have a repealed prohibition. 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:12.880 Even when I was having a drink, I would think 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.960 that it's like you know who you know, Like, I 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.400 love it, but I mean, really, is it really doing 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:20.440 anybody he favors. 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.000 Yeah, you're going to see the same thing though. I 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:28.080 mean they outloud alcohol, people kept drinking it. There's people 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:29.960 gonna be putting game cameras in cabs. 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.720 Well, no, because what I just heard, you weren't hearing. 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:34.720 We talked about this. But I got a friend in 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.960 Arizona who I thought would have been livid about Arizona's 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:42.120 trail camp ban because he is not only is he 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:46.320 a guide, but he does a lot of scouting, okay, 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.240 and he'll so he's got different guiding clients, and he'll 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:53.800 go find stuff. Yep, He'll find something that catches his 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:56.360 interest and he can then go, you know, he can 0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.400 go to an outfitter and get a client and be like, listen, 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:03.959 look what I got from the suite whatever. I was like. 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.080 And I said to him, and I didn't try to 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.360 tee it up. I already discussed this once on the show, 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:10.560 but I didn't try to tee it up too much. 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:11.720 I said, hey, man, what did you think about the 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:12.440 trail camp thing? 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:13.320 Uh? 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.960 He was all for it. And he said, what's interesting 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.320 now is says you can't find a trail cam. He's 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.480 talking about public opinion and where it really came from 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.120 and where the public sort of sat on the trail 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:24.720 cam issue. 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:24.920 Right. 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:29.720 He said, I haven't run into a trail cam since, 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.600 and that wasn't that long ago. I haven't run into 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.320 a trail cam still hanging in the woods that doesn't 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:37.719 have a bullet hole through it. Really, I've heard that 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:39.840 now you just shoot him when you see him, because 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:41.880 they're not supposed to be there. They'll just start hiding 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.880 them better. Yeah, but I mean, if you hide it 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.360 too good, it's not gonna get any pictures. I can't 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:47.800 find it. 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:49.840 You're not an undercovered well lef agent. 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.120 Have you had, Tony? Have you had it? Just before? 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.320 We need to get off this topic. I know, but 0:29:55.400 --> 0:30:01.720 have you had any on public land that your experience 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.920 has been negatively affected by seeing too many other people's 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:07.000 trail cameras in the woods? 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:10.600 No, in fact, and I don't. I don't run trail 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.880 cameras on public land ever. It's just not part of 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.880 my strategy. And when I drew Iowa last time and 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.400 I was down there, I was walking past trail cameras. 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.560 I was dragging deer past trail cameras. They were all 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.520 over and I just look at it and I go. 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.560 One of the things that trail cameras do is they 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.000 convince people to not hunt you put them out and 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.360 you're like, oh, these bucks aren't consistent, or they're only 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.160 at night or whatever. So I actually I'm like whatever, 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.360 Like they're out there. And if you would have looked 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.360 at the prevalence of trail cameras where I was hunting, 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.680 you'd be like, this place is getting pounded. But I 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:43.760 had so much of that public to myself. You know, 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:45.520 part of it was October. It wasn't the right. 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.800 Forgetting pictures of Tony Peterson all the time. I just. 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.400 I just walked by a wave and so no, but 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.640 I don't. I'm just kind of used to it, you know. 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:57.160 I mean, it's just like a part of the thing, 0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:58.880 and it listened it does it piss me off a 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:01.360 little bit kind of you know, like I'm getting old 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:03.360 enough where that kind of stuff makes me a little grumpy. 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.080 And it's the same thing when I walk in and 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.880 there's a you know, a ladder stand chained to a 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:09.720 tree on land. You're not supposed to leave a stand 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.400 up overnight. But it's just when you hunt public land, 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.440 it's just part of the game, man Like, it's just they. 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.600 If you have a trail camera, picture come part of 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:16.960 the game. 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.280 But it's been for a while, you know. 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.040 If you have a trail camera picture if Tony Peterson 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.480 on your phone, and you'll send it somehow to me, 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.160 I will send you a bargery's hat. 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.000 Now you know, uh, you remember earlier I mentioned I 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:33.960 have a trail came at my fish shack. There's like 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.360 a really good game trail behind my fishack. Well, one 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.680 of my friends went back there and she peeded and 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:44.719 then she saw that the camera pulled my cards. Has 0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:48.840 to give you my card back. So here's a person 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:53.320 where uh, here's a person that you know, not on 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.160 private land, but here's a person that really didn't like 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.720 that h feeling. 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.880 I acid beyond trail cameras. I can remember being a 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.160 young guide and thinking hunting public land, guiding public land 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.080 in Colorado and thinking, all, there's just beautiful, serene places, 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.440 and that's what I came to expect. And the first 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.720 time you go into a meadow and you think, oh, 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.040 no one else is on this meadow forever. And then 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.240 you search around in some upper corner a little farther 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:21.520 than you've ever been, and all of a sudden you 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:25.240 find the leftover milk crate or the metal folding chair 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.920 or whatever, just some sign that somebody else was there 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:32.040 before you once and it just takes away from the experience. 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:32.400 You know. 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.440 I like the woods just looking like no one's been there, 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.600 you know, maybe a boot track here and there. 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.680 Can I tell you about my sweet trail cam setup 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:45.200 that I have Right now, dude, there's this biggest picture, 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.040 the biggest nastiest scree slide you ever seen in your life. 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.080 I mean from the bottom of the mountain to the 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.600 top of the mountain scree slide. H But then imagine 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:57.480 that there's like a finger timber that noses out into 0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:01.720 that scree slide, and a finger timber on the other 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.200 side that noses out into that screen slide, and a 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.800 little band of brush that connects those fingers of timber. 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:12.360 And when you go up there, it looks like it 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.320 looks like someone that over the years, someone is actually 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:20.760 coming and smoothed the rocks out. M M. I got 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.760 one hanging right there. What kind what kind of animals 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.800 are you getting? Whatever? I don't know. Here's the deal. 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:30.720 It's a see now I'm retelling my story. Two years ago, 0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:32.680 I went up there and I'm not gonna It's like 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.200 a place I'm gonna go. And I was like, I'm 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.480 gonna come in a year and get my camera. So 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.360 I went and hung it up there, talked all year 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.320 to my wife about my camera and fretting about it 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.080 and how I was gonna get up there, and thwarting 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:45.800 I was gonna make her come with me, and my 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:47.560 plans got ruined. And eventually I go up there and 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:53.800 I had forgotten to turn some bitch on, so I 0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.000 set it back, and it'll have been sitting there a 0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:57.600 year this. 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:05.800 June on this time, we think, and I got wolverines bulbs. 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.719 Who knows what's waiting on that thing? So I'm talking 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.080 out of both sides of my mouth here. 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.120 Tony Peterson might be on there. 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:32.480 Dragon White, I think that's highly unlikely. Okay, moving on. 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.480 This is the most amazing news story I have a 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.040 come across. Where was this supported? Oh? The Guardian? You know, 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.200 the Guardian always has a lot of We're I was 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.439 getting scooped by the Guardian, which is a British rag. 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:49.880 The Guardian is. So here's the deal. In northern Japan. 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.520 Japan has prefectures, which I'm not sure what that means. 0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.239 Let me just tell you what's going on there. They 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.560 have a bear meat vending machine. Which has proven to 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:06.640 be a surprising success. The machine in the northern prefecture 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:16.520 of Akita sells locally killed wild bear. Now there's a 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.600 hunt club there in this remote area. Hey, what'd you say? 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.120 It comes out to a pound. 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.520 One hundred and fifteen bucks one hundred. 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.000 And fifteen dollars per pound of bear meat. Not a 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.560 bad deal. That puts a bear. That values a bear 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:33.560 at about a per pound. I killed a big bear 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.200 one time and got the bat. I had the backstraps, 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.600 I had the backstraps, and eighty three pounds a ground 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:39.920 off it. 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:42.279 I'd say that's eight thousand dollars bear. 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:47.719 Yeah, So what they're selling at they're selling at two 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:52.040 thousand and two hundred two thy two hundred yen for 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:53.600 two hundred and fifty. 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:57.520 Grams of bear meat, which comes out to tummygin iink 0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:02.840 one fifteen one fifteen pound. There's a nearby railway station 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:07.759 in the town of Semboku, Okay. This guy sets up 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.920 a bear meat vening machine, and now he's got people, 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:17.120 he's got requests for mail order deliveries into Tokyo. There's 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.600 a there's a hunt club nearby, and the hunt club 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.640 got permitted in the mountains the hunt club got permitted 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.120 to kill a certain number of bears during the hunting season, 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:31.879 and they set up a vending machine to sell it. 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.640 A customer said, bear meat tastes no one of their 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:43.880 spokesmen bear meat tastes clean and doesn't get tough. This 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:47.960 is not a total departure because in my reading here, 0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:53.160 venning machines are ubiquitous in Japan, selling odd things you 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.760 can get like hot and cold drinks, edible insects, hamburgers. 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:03.120 But they now have one selling meat. You can also 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:08.000 in Japan by whale meet in a vending machine. One 0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:10.319 hundred locations around the country in the next five years 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.080 will be selling whale meat and vending machines. 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.160 Incredible, it would happen in our country if it was legal. 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.680 Yep, yeah, I think so. So the number here's the 0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:24.840 thing you don't really think about with Japan. The number 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.040 of bear encounters has risen in recent years from an 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:32.960 estimated four thy eight hundred like human bear conflict encounters 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.880 in two thousand and nine, to more than twenty thousand 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:40.480 and twoenty twenty two people killed in one hundred and 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:46.080 fifty eight injured from bears in Japan. H A shortage 0:37:46.080 --> 0:38:00.440 of acorns. Yeah, shortage of acorns. This is a forty 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.239 percent of the encounters in twenty twenty occurred in residential, 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:07.560 in urban areas, or on agricultural land. Experts say a 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:11.840 shortage of acorns and their natural habitat means that animals 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:13.920 are more likely to come into contact with humans as 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:14.760 they foraged for food. 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:21.040 Acorn in Japanese is donguri in Japan. 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:26.480 I wonder how the hill folks say, here's the earth 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:28.120 that you might not think of when you think of Japan. 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:37.520 A eight point eight five foot brown bear three hundred kilograms? 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:37.799 What's that? 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:44.520 Put them at four fifty. 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:47.480 Four hundred and fifty pounds? Brown bear killed good size bears. 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:52.560 Listen to this. Oh sorry, this is going back to 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.840 nineteen fifteen, but it's still warrants discussion. 0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:02.360 It appears there's two species of bears pan a brown 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:08.160 bear and a Asiatic black bear like they call They 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:14.400 called a Japanese black bear ursus the bitanus jeppanikus. 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.040 We used to do a trivia question at our live 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.239 shows where you had to name I can't remember how 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.160 many of the world's bears you had to name. Some 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:23.960 of the bears you know what used to stump the 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.640 shit out of people at the trivia show the live 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:31.600 show is name five of the was it six of 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:35.520 the seven or five of the six cats? Wild cats 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:41.440 natives of North America and uh, people had a very 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.399 hard time doing that. Or we'd say name the name 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.560 like six members of the weasel family, which you think 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.360 would be a slam dunk, but that stump people. 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.400 Now that would get made the weasels cause. 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:52.719 They don't know what to put in, like skunks and 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:58.120 badgers and stuff. So continuing on, check this out. In 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:03.800 nineteen fifteen, a brown my own bear killed seven people 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:09.719 and injured three others on the northern main island of Hokkaidu. 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.800 A hunter tracked down and killed it. Can you imagine 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:18.960 that would be quite a news story here in the 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:22.040 US today? Was it like over a period of time 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:28.520 or does it say? Doesn't say? Isn't think about that? 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.359 I know a story and I don't know it well, 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:33.960 so I'm going to tell it very generically. 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:34.360 But in. 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.719 The last forty years, there was a guy, an American 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:44.799 guy that took hounds to Japan and hunted for an 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:49.080 extended period of time in Japan with American. 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.000 Bear dogs bear. Yeah, did he do good? 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.520 I think so. I think it was a very specific 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.280 reason that he was there. It was they were having 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:01.200 some trouble and like they recruited guy to come, and 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:04.040 he went and took his as I recall, he took 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.520 his plot hounds and went to Japan and hunt for 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.240 a short period of time. I don't remember the context 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:11.120 of the story, but interesting. 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:17.720 Likely story a plot guy would tell detail. 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:25.200 I remember this is this is interesting. If you listen 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.080 to the show. You heard recently me talking about a 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:34.160 guy ran into at the Cabo airport who had a 0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:38.680 fanny pack. You know Rogan Wars fanny packs. I sent 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.719 this to him as well, has a fanny pack made 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:46.560 to look like a human gut overhanging your belt. So 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:50.640 I see him in the airport, slender Feller, and I'm like, 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.480 what's going on? As I'm standing next to him, and 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:55.520 it takes me a while to realize that he has 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:59.000 a fanny pack made it look like a large overhanging 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:03.600 gut with a knave in the hair and everything hanging 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.440 out of his T shirt. I talked about this on 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.880 the podcast and we got this note. I was listening 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:13.280 to Monday's podcast and double over laughing at Steve's description 0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:17.520 of his observation of me with my belly fanny pack 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:22.840 at the Cabo Airport. I'm a big fan and immediately 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:24.759 recognized him at the airport. I feel it's rude to 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:28.120 approach famous people, especially with their families in public, so 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.480 I didn't approach him. But I've been telling everyone that 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.200 I saw Renelle at the Cabo airport to hear that 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.399 he has been telling people about the fella he saw 0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.640 with a ridiculous novelty pack to describe the other side 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:42.480 of the interaction that wasn't as hilarious. My wife bought 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.000 me the fanny pack as a gag gift for Christmas. 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:52.560 I've paid her back by wearing it anytime. I pay 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.359 her back by wearing it anytime I travel her. 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.600 What are the chances that Steve that this guy would 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:01.279 have known Steve manny pack. 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.759 In the longgoing debate about golf courses that we've had, 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.160 and this whole wrinkle has emerged about how golf courses 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:14.719 make great a golf course person pointed out, and I 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.239 gave him a lot of credit for pointing this out. 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.439 He pointed out, like they live in a suburban area 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:21.439 and they have a golf course. It's got woods, it's 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.680 got I don't know how many hundreds of white oaks 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.319 that he's counted up, water holes, all the wildlife that 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.239 lives there. And he's like, tread lightly when you're hacking 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.359 on golf courses because in a lot of places, that 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:37.600 is the area's wildlife habitat. That's it. And he was 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.719 talking about his particular golf course. They do a lot 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:45.080 to foster to create wildlife habitat, and even how some 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.640 golf courses are regured with register with the Audubon Society, 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:53.160 and they do things to improve bird nesting habitat on 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.720 golf courses. And I'm only mentioning this guy's note because 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.240 he goes on to say, here's why. When he's shut, 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:04.439 he's been shopping for land. And he said he's very 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:08.400 interested in buying a golf course. She says, if I 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.440 want to put in food plots, they already have clear 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:18.000 areas with irrigation, they already have ponds. Since better drier 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.160 land is often put to higher use, there is often 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:24.160 some wetland area the course is built around where you 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.000 can duck hunt. They have a network of paved cart 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:31.160 paths in place to it for easy transport of gear 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:38.480 and your kill. There's a clubhouse, a kitchen facility in 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:43.279 a bar. But the reason I mentioned this whole thing 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:50.080 is me and Yanni's friend did this. He bought an 0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.920 undid a golf course. I mean undid it. 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.799 You couldn't golf course. Just take the flags out of 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:57.440 the hole. 0:44:57.680 --> 0:44:58.560 No, dude, one. 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:03.000 The club house, he removed it. It's gone. 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:05.640 Oh he didn't want to hunting camp. He took some 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.359 of the fairways and planted him in oak I mean 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.560 he did. 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.600 The golf course. Yeah, if you drive by there now, 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:14.960 there's no way you would ever know that it used 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:16.879 to be a golf course. And it wasn't that long ago. 0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:18.759 The first time we went, you could tell it was 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:19.399 a golf course. 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:25.480 He undid it as a wildlife property. That's pretty cool now. 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.280 The place that I grew up, so my dad always 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:34.280 wanted us to play golf and I never did. And 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:37.080 the old golf course that we used to play on 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.040 when we were kids in my hometown in Arkansas is 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:42.600 now no more. And it's like a it looks like 0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.839 a cutover, it's like grown up at least the last 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.640 time I saw it. 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:54.040 Refugia Wildlife. Yeah, and it's true. We have a local 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:57.680 golf courses plaster through the wildlife. So I get it. 0:45:58.120 --> 0:45:59.759 This means you know, I mean, this is like listen 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:08.680 golfers whose golf courses not the same thing. A little 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.480 update here. A long time ago. You know what's funny. 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:14.680 We were recording so we had the Atlanta Braves player 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.319 Austin Riley on the podcast, and we were recording the 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:24.799 podcast in Atlanta, and at as we were recording it, 0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:31.480 the Walleye cheating scandal in Ohio was erupting. That's how 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.520 I can place that. On that episode, I did a 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:39.279 very spirited defense of the Montana woman who mistook a 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:45.279 husky puppy for a wolf and rugged it out and 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.000 put it on social media. And you can imagine how 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:56.000 that went over in my spirited a defense of her. 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.320 My defense was this, it's not as bad as it seems. 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:03.560 So it's a tepid I call it spirit, a tepid 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:11.040 defense being not as bad as it seems, right, not 0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:14.520 as bad as it seems. So she just got a 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:19.120 six month deferred sentence. I can't be this much trouble 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.560 for this. Yeah, I mean neither a six month deferred 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:27.880 sentence and banned banned from using a hunting rifle for 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.000 six months on the Flathead National Forest. I like how 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:37.440 specific that is. So for six months no rifle on 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:43.320 this particular national forest from so they can rest assured 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:48.279 that no more husky puppies will be killed by her 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.960 for at least six months. That's that's the punishment. 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:55.920 Sounds like they had to give her a punishment, and 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:57.560 so this is what they came up with. 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.960 What they came up with, that's one heat cycle oh 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:13.319 for oh a conservation. So she was charged. She had 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:22.280 a misdemeanor offense for animal cruelty. M hmm. Does anybody 0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.640 have anything wildly different than how I view it? I mean, 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:25.879 I can. 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:27.799 It's a mistake that could be made. I mean, if 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.320 you're in wild country, you could legally shoot a wolf. 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.160 You're three hundred and I don't know the details of 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.800 the story. It's reasonable that someone could shoot a husky 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:37.840 and think that it was a wolf. And if you 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:41.400 and if you were not an experienced person in the 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.040 in the woods, you'd never seen a wolf up close before, 0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:47.440 I could understand it's reasonable to think that someone would 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.040 think a husky puppy or a husky was a young wolf. 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:52.919 It seems reasonable to me, even after skinning it out. 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.799 I mean, that's as far as morgument goes. Like the 0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:57.720 corner trail everything. 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:00.680 I didn't have a cow, and it was like a 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.560 guy had dumped a guy had I don't know why 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.400 this sum bitch isn't that the guy had taken a 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:11.280 whole litter of dogs and dumped them up in the mountains. 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:13.280 Who's that? Maybe he is in trouble. 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:17.040 He must be if he's been caught. 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.759 They just had to leave a They just had to 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:22.759 leave a paper trail. It sounds like I mean, they 0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.920 had to they had to do something. They had to 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:26.919 do something. Yeah. 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:30.440 Uh, that's what the game warden said to me at 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:35.880 the time that my legally caught and legally kept wild 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.800 buck got loose and went and roughed up my neighbor. 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:42.080 That's what the game warden said to me everybody about. 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:44.239 He said, you're gonna have to We're gonna have to 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:47.799 leave a paper trail legally. I had a deer, a 0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.880 wild caught deer in a that we kept. We raised 0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.120 several of them, and one day. 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:56.360 My already you were a captive deer breeder. I was 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:58.319 for a time my kids were young. 0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:03.720 I set out to raised deer and a long story short, 0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:08.600 a pit bulldog ended up in the pen with my 0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:13.360 forked horn buck and they were going round and round. 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:15.600 I mean, the deer was going to get killed. The 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.680 dog got in there. It wasn't my dog. And so 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.439 the only way to remedy the situation was to open 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:24.880 the door. They're running circles, and when that buck came around, 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.080 he just went straight out the gate, and I shut 0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:32.440 the gate and captured the dog, you know, called the 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:37.120 called the dog owner, and the buck was gone for. 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:40.800 He was just gone, okay. 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:44.799 And he had a collar on and what kind of 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:48.200 collar like a dog collar? Get a dog collar on 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:54.680 a It was a really dramatic scenario where I hear 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.680 a dog bark and I look out and there's just 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.920 this like chaos, and you have a collar on your deer. Uh, 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:02.840 just so somebody wouldn't sneak up in my yard and 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:06.160 shoot it thinking that it was a deer. Just when 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.040 you when you have when you have deer steve, you 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:11.279 put collars on them. I want to this is no 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:12.920 longer legal in Arkansas. 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:14.239 But for years you could. 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.960 You could keep up to six handcuught deer from the wild, 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:19.319 and I wanted my kids to. 0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:25.879 Catch them by hand. I mean, okay, but okay, if 0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:29.960 I gave you the rest of today. 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:35.799 Camera and all the cameras you want, I'll tell you 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:39.640 stories about hand catching deer. An catch them as you 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:41.840 got to catch them. Man, there was a period of 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.439 time when my kids were young, about four or five 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:48.080 years that I became an expert at when fawns were 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:49.040 born in the Ozarks. 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.640 I would go hunting for him. No, I've come across 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:57.480 some hunting morels because you're looking right, Yeah, so I 0:51:57.520 --> 0:51:59.480 don't do that anymore. So you can. 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:01.680 You know it's not legal anymore. 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:07.960 But you gets out. Okay, but I want the whole 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.160 damn story. But I do want to catch Like walk 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:11.560 me through catching one. 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:14.600 Well, I'll tell you how I caught one. I was 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:18.319 driving down the road, and boy, if I want to 0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:22.040 say it was May eighth, I would have remembered the 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:23.720 date ten years ago. 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:27.279 And there's a dose stand in the road with two 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:29.440 little fawns, and. 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:35.000 The dough jumps off and the fawn beds down in 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.640 the ditch. I literally got out of the truck, picked 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:40.319 it up, put it in the back seat, and we 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:41.480 raised it bottle fed up. 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:46.359 And the other one my father in law picked up 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:46.680 for me. 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:50.040 I used to go out when when guys were cutting 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:55.960 hay and walk hayfields, and when they're about four or 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.440 five days old, you can't hardly catch them, but when 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.200 they're young, you can catch them. 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:03.120 And uh so, yeah, we raised three deer. 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:04.440 Oh. 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:06.160 I mean, I could bore you with stories, and I've 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:08.799 told some of them on the media podcast, but. 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:13.640 Well, I mean, I'm afraid people have heard them now. 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:19.160 I raised a dough that we called Lulu that lived 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:21.560 in our house like a like a like a pet 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.840 dog for a long period of time. And eventually, again, 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:28.080 you can't do this anymore, so this is like not okay, 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:32.439 but this at the time it was and we ended 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:35.400 up kind of releasing her back into the wild, and 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:40.560 she raised at least three pairs of fawns that she 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:44.600 she became wild. She raised three pairs of fawns that 0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:48.359 she would bring back to our house during periods of stress. Really, 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.040 when it got real hot in August, we'd be eating 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:54.160 dinner and we'd look out the window and there'd be 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:57.120 Lulu standing there about five feet from the window looking 0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:59.440 at us. Huh ultra wild like you go out and 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.160 she'd run off, But then she'd stop and she was 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:03.200 looking for a handout. 0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:06.560 One time, tell about your daddy. Yeah. 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:09.480 One time I was bow hunting a mile from my 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:13.920 house and Lulu walked underneath me with her fawn. One time, 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:17.880 another buck that I had, great that we let this. 0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:20.480 I've told this story before. Stop me someone. 0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:25.480 One time I raised the buck and I let him 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:28.640 run wild, or just let him run loose around my house. 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:31.799 The older he guy, he was a button butt. No no, no, 0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.360 let him run just like like loose out in the 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:35.120 yard like a dog. 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:37.600 And when he. 0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:41.440 Became a when he became a button buck, he would run. 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:43.560 He he just started to become more. 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:46.200 He would just be gone for a little while and 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:49.600 just disappear for like hours at a time. I go 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:54.120 muzzle oder hunting across the road from my house. I'm 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:57.960 sitting on the ground. The wind that's hitting me in 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.280 the back of the neck, blowing down into this little drawl. 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:07.239 I see two deer coming and it's a antlerless deer 0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:10.880 and a small buck and they're coming, and I go, 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:15.000 here we go. There's a deer and the wind's blowing 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:17.680 straight down the hill, and I see that they're going 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:21.640 to cross my wind. And when the antler lists deer 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:26.839 crosses my wind, it's my deer. He's piled up. He's 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.680 piled up with another buck. And when he hits my wind, 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:35.759 he turns directly towards me, starts grunting, and walks up 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:39.560 to me and starts licking my ear while I'm in 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:42.120 a I've got the gun up on my knee, and 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:46.279 I don't move a lick. I don't move a lick. 0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:49.399 And the deer is licking my ear. And the wild buck, 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.160 which is like a little forkid horn, catches my wind 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.680 and just flips out, and it's just like. 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:55.319 What are you doing? 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:59.960 Man? And the buck took about four or five steps 0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:03.160 towards me, and then the buck spooks and then me 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:06.920 and and uh uh, shoot, what do we call him? 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:08.400 We had? That was road runner? 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:11.479 Me and road Runner walked back to the house. 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.919 Story, you've got like that? 0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:19.360 The deer, I mean, I knew what it would do 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:23.200 when it caught my wind. The deer walked up, but 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:27.799 I just never moved and I got we've got videos 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:28.359 of these deer. 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:30.800 But I wonder what year buck would have thought about 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:34.399 what your deer would have thought if you'd shot that deer. 0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:36.920 Probably thought nothing of it. 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.960 Man, it just doesn't have the frontal cortex to be 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:42.880 able to process abstract thought like that dude just shot 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:43.400 by buddy. 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:48.080 Imagine somebody stand watching you walked back. 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:52.480 That's a jen a trail camera. 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:55.120 What if I have been on your trail camera walking? No, 0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:58.000 so to finish the stop me someone? 0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:00.839 Uh no, we want to hear about that. I said, 0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:01.759 the paper. 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:02.200 Trail, I said. 0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:04.239 The game warden said to me, we got to have 0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:07.719 a paper trail for this, mister nukelem uh was somebody 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:11.440 my my buck gets loose because he's been I saved 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.520 his life by opening the door and shutting it on 0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:16.040 this pit bull. The buck is gone for like a week. 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:21.200 I told this story on the Badory podcast. One day, 0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:24.439 I come home, Misty comes home and she had seen 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:25.240 blue lights. 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:28.040 Up at the front of the road again, and and 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:28.680 she comes. 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:32.040 She comes home and the phone rings and it's our neighbor. 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:36.120 And he goes, Clay, they're after you, man, They're after you. 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:36.800 He said. 0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:38.840 The game Warden came by here and said, does anybody 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:45.479 on this road own a deer? And my neighbor goes, no, 0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:47.120 I've never heard. 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.240 Of anybody having a deer around here. And he picks 0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:49.680 up the phone. 0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:52.640 He goes Clay there after you, and he says, he says, 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:55.240 your buck is hurt. And he names the person, this 0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:58.120 elderly gentleman on the road, and I go, oh no, 0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:01.520 I mean, I'm just like, think my life's over. I 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:04.440 get in the truck, drive down there to where the 0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:06.520 game boardings at and I'm like, this is my deer? 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.600 What's going on? And he didn't hurt the neighbor. 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:11.960 But he walked up to my neighbor while he was 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:15.520 doing chores outside and just started pushing around. 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:17.600 On him, just just messing with him. 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.200 And the neighbor obviously is like what is going on? 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:24.400 They call the game and fish game and fish comes out. 0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:27.520 I go turn myself in. You know, I'm like, kids, 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.160 is great being your dad. I'll write you from prison 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:34.200 and the game. I tell the game ord exactly what happens. 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:36.920 You know, this deer I had it had to let 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:40.720 it go the dog and and he he gave me 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:47.680 a warning. Citation for releasing captive wildlife. No jail time, 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:48.920 no jail time. 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:53.160 That's the story. You can't own a deer for six months. 0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.280 So the best, the best photo of the nukes that 0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:01.400 we have is my son Epherd when he was three, 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.880 and he's sitting on a rock wall, ball in his 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:07.680 eyes out. It's like a cell phone photo. He could tell. 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:10.760 He's just like he's balling his eyes out and there's 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:14.120 a half eaten apple on the wall beside him with 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:17.480 a deer eating it. And I came outside because Shepherd 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:20.520 was crying, and I said, what's wrong, Son? And he said, 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:24.040 road rudder took my apple. That deer had walked out 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:26.479 and stole his apple. It's the best picture in the world. 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:33.720 It's Shepherd. Yeah, guy wrote in this is interesting, this 0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:37.000 is interesting deal. He's first off, he says he's dusting 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:40.600 off everything he knows about proper grammar so that his 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:42.680 email doesn't wind up on a T shirt of ours, 0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:48.800 which the thing we've had appen for exemplary emails. He's 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:51.440 he's gotten tuned down to a program in the Netherlands 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:56.440 called visder bell put that make that sound Dutch, but 0:59:56.520 --> 1:00:01.720 here Dutch vist bell. It means fish door bell. So 1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:05.240 they have a river. They have a nagamous fish in 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:08.280 the Netherlands, and they have a river with a lock 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:12.960 system on it. And they've found that anagamous fish are 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:17.400 susceptible to predation when they get up to the lock 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:20.560 system and they're stuck there waiting to get through. So 1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:26.200 they have underwater cameras and volunteers who watch to see 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:29.600 when fish show up. And basically they press a doorbell 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:33.760 for the fish. They press a doorbell and then the 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:35.520 guy that and when a fish shows up needs to 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:37.880 get through the under the volunteer hits a doorbell, I think, 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.960 ding the lock. The guy that controls the lock then 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:42.840 the cracks it open so the fish can slip through. 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:49.360 You can watch it all on live stream. That's cool. 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:50.160 Uh. 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:55.000 Here's a piece from the news from the Northern Ontania. 1:00:55.080 --> 1:01:00.760 What is this from Northern Ontario CETV news. A Northern 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:04.560 Ontario man has been banned from license hunting and fined 1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:07.800 five thousand dollars. So this is whatever this is is 1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:12.640 much worse than shooting a husky. After pleading guilty to 1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:15.440 having more than six times the legal limit of grouse 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:22.720 and obstructing conservation officers. This guy had ninety one grouse, 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:25.880 which is seventy six over the legal limit of fifteen. 1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:31.040 This is in Ontario. He didn't want to let the 1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:35.040 game wardens into his house. When they finally got in, 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:38.280 they found two large boxes of frozen grouse hidden in 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:44.680 the shower. So there's a heavy duty fine, way worse 1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:50.600 shooting puppies. This is one that blows your mind. Two 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:56.520 guys from Colorado went to the Maynistee River in Michigan. 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:01.800 So they come allway from Colorado to the Manistee River 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:07.240 and they get caught with four hundred and sixty three 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:13.720 pounds of illegally caught salmon. You know what they're fine 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:15.560 is this is just like, it's just interesting how this 1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:20.640 stuff plays out. So these guys have hundreds of illegally 1:02:20.640 --> 1:02:23.640 caught salmon thousand bucks apiece. 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:28.120 Dany Wow, not per fish, per person. 1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:30.040 Per yeah, a thousand bucks. No, not a thousand bucks 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:33.160 per fish. Oh so this guy shoes too many grouse? 1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:35.040 Five thousand What else happened to him? 1:02:35.200 --> 1:02:40.000 He lost his hunting privileges for life. They don't mess 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:40.840 around in Canada. 1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:43.320 These dudes kill. It's a big there's a picture of 1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:46.400 the confiscated fish. Just a big pickup truck load of 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:54.320 king salmon heads and bags of flays uh thousand bucks apiece. 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:00.000 Great inconsistent. 1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:03.880 I would have at least taken away their fishing privileges 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:17.280 on the Mannassee River for six months, not the minimal clay. 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:19.320 I like those deer stories. I think you should do 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:23.760 a whole podcast about deer stories on bear Grease. That's 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:26.360 a good deer stories, Yeah, because I bet you could 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:29.000 interview some other fellas down there in Arkansas who also 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:32.720 have crazy pet deer stories, because any there's nobody has 1:03:33.560 --> 1:03:40.880 bad pet wild animal stories like Steve's Coo stories. Was 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:43.520 it the fact that it became illegal or did you 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:45.000 just grow out of it that made you quit? 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:54.880 So basically, my my buck, my buck got dangerous. 1:03:55.800 --> 1:03:59.840 You know, the bucks get dangerous. Sure, and so that 1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:01.720 spooked me a little bit. 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:04.560 As the kids got older, and when that dog got 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:07.560 in there, Like there was just complications with having a deer, 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:12.480 and there're a lot of work, I mean an incredible 1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:16.560 amount of work to bottle feed, you know, a very 1:04:16.560 --> 1:04:16.960 young deer. 1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:18.880 I mean it's like having a newborn baby. 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:22.560 You're waking up for multiple weeks, You're waking up every 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:25.120 four hours to go bottle feed that thing. So it's 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:30.360 a legitimate tax on your life to raise one successfully. 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:33.160 And I think we just kind of had our feel 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:35.160 of it, and you know, what were you. 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:36.640 Hoping to get out of it? Do you'd raise a 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:38.240 giant buck and then pretend you got it? 1:04:38.360 --> 1:04:38.440 No. 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:41.760 I remember, Steve, when I was a young kid, they 1:04:41.760 --> 1:04:46.080 took us on a field trip to the Walston Farm 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:48.720 way out in the Washington Mountains in Arkansas, and everybody 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:50.760 where I'm from will know who I'm talking about. They 1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:53.800 had this like just a neat family in this neat farm, 1:04:54.120 --> 1:04:56.200 and I remember they had they had deer there just 1:04:56.200 --> 1:04:58.160 walking around and I was just a little kid that 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:01.200 had my dad was a hunter, and I was intrigued 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:02.920 by it, and I was just like, this is living. 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:05.000 That's just kind of what I thought to have a 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:05.560 pet deer. 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:08.640 And so I always wanted that for my kids, and 1:05:08.680 --> 1:05:12.160 so I just set out to We're gonna We're gonna 1:05:12.200 --> 1:05:14.960 be people that have pet deer and or raise our 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:16.000 kids having pet deer. 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:19.120 Do you know during the American Revolution, there was an 1:05:19.160 --> 1:05:24.680 American there was an American officer who had a pet 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:30.600 buck and one day he leaned over to put on 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:36.080 his pants and the pet buck charged him and ran 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:40.920 a time through his artery. Really is for moral artery, 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:44.000 and the guy bled out right on the floor. An 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:46.720 officer in the an American officer in the Revolution. 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:51.080 Wow, it's not surprising. They're real dangerous and during the run, 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:51.840 even when they're young. 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:57.280 So if it's illegal to release captive wildlife, how did 1:05:57.320 --> 1:05:59.400 you get rid of the pet deer you had? 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:03.040 Well, you're honest, I don't really want to talk about that. 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:04.920 No, I had to. 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:08.919 It was it probably was illegal. I wouldn't have even 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:11.040 that wouldn't have even entered my mind at the time. 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:12.560 But you just release them. 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:13.320 I did. I did. 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:15.880 Yeah, Well, no, I had to put down the buck, 1:06:16.080 --> 1:06:21.760 the buck that roughed up mister Mitchell. I had to 1:06:21.760 --> 1:06:26.760 put it down, but I had it processed, gave it away. Yeah, 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:27.840 because it's hard to eat your. 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:30.280 And and I mean the story of it coming back 1:06:30.520 --> 1:06:31.160 was a week. 1:06:31.240 --> 1:06:34.320 So the game warden gives me the give gives me 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:36.680 the deal, and he says, I say, well, what do 1:06:36.680 --> 1:06:37.920 you want me to do? And he says, if you 1:06:37.960 --> 1:06:40.680 see the buck, put it down? And I said, yes, sir. 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:43.160 And so like a week later, I'm sitting in my 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:46.960 office and it's like late October, and I have a 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:50.680 big window right by my computer. Brit seen it, and 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:53.520 I just look up and there's road runner like three 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:59.760 feet from him, and and I, yeah, I could go 1:06:59.800 --> 1:07:00.600 into the details of. 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:04.080 Yeah, just going. I mean, if you want the whole thing, 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:04.520 I'll tell you this. 1:07:05.600 --> 1:07:08.160 I walk outside and he's been running wild now for 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:12.520 like ten days, and he was he was invigorated by 1:07:12.560 --> 1:07:14.240 his by his experience. 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:17.200 And when I walked out, he immediately. 1:07:18.080 --> 1:07:19.880 Started roughing me up like he was I'm not going 1:07:19.960 --> 1:07:22.000 to say he was attacking me, but he straight up 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:24.840 just came and started pushing me around, pushing on. Jason 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:28.120 Phelps here, just pushing me around. And I have a 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:31.240 twenty two mark t Ruger pistol on mind. 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.160 So he was trying to rough you up with his antlers? Yeah, 1:07:33.160 --> 1:07:35.240 oh yeah? What kind of rack was he throwing out there? 1:07:35.320 --> 1:07:36.720 He had a little forking horn rack. 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:42.160 I still got it, uh uh. And he starts pushing 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:44.600 me around, and the house is here, and my office 1:07:44.640 --> 1:07:47.000 is here, and I'm and no one's home, and you 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:49.320 got a pistol and I've got a pistol, and I'm 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:51.160 trying to figure out a way to safe way to 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:54.640 shoot this deer in the head to put it down. 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:57.000 And I mean, it's pushing me and I'm like just 1:07:57.080 --> 1:08:00.840 dancing around, dancing around, and it's more intense. 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:06.400 So if I never had I've never done this. When 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:08.640 you think of his power, He's a year and a 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:12.320 half old at this time, yep, could you is it 1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:16.320 if you grabbed him by the antlers and you pushed 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:18.080 him out and held him at arm's length? Is he 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:19.080 able to overcome that? 1:08:19.560 --> 1:08:23.240 The more aggressive you get, the more aggressive he gets. 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:24.720 And I would have said it a year and a 1:08:24.720 --> 1:08:27.599 half old and me weighing, you know, like one seventy 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:30.160 a man of average strength, it would have been all 1:08:30.240 --> 1:08:33.960 I could do to if he had full throttle come out. 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:35.360 I mean, it would have been all I could have 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:36.280 done to keep him off me. 1:08:36.720 --> 1:08:38.760 But picture that, you picture like I'm saying, You've got 1:08:38.800 --> 1:08:41.080 you got his antler's wonder in each hand. Yeah, and 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:45.080 you stiff arm him, right? Can he overcome that resistance? 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:48.680 He wouldn't overcome it by pushing your arms in, but 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:52.000 he would flop and flip and get spun around. And 1:08:52.040 --> 1:08:55.519 be on your back before you know, seriously, really, yeah, 1:08:55.520 --> 1:08:56.160 they're a handful. 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:58.360 So the more they're strong, the more we. 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:02.320 Tussled, the more intense he gets. And and and he 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:05.000 realizes I'm fighting him back. He's just sparring me. 1:09:04.960 --> 1:09:08.080 Like at some point he's got to register the pistol. Well, 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:13.080 he try to wrestle away from you. 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:16.479 We already went through that part about the frontal quartex. 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:22.840 He's not able to process abstract thought that the deer 1:09:23.080 --> 1:09:27.200 eventually gets distracted. As deer do, something happens and he 1:09:27.320 --> 1:09:29.400 I remember, he just threw up his head and looked 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:32.599 away from me, and and there was a gap between 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:33.840 my house and the office, and. 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:40.360 I just Joe, Yeah, put him right down. 1:09:40.680 --> 1:09:44.839 Did you feel terrible? I mean no, I didn't feel terrible. 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:46.880 It was it was a it was a shame that 1:09:46.880 --> 1:09:48.439 it had to end. I felt like I was doing 1:09:48.479 --> 1:09:51.000 my due duty. I mean it's like, if you play 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:54.000 in the dirty game, you're gonna have to do dirty stuff. 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:57.160 The game warden told me to put him down, So 1:09:57.200 --> 1:09:57.800 I put him down. 1:09:57.840 --> 1:10:00.720 It's interesting that I've been to the new com You 1:10:00.720 --> 1:10:04.080 guys raised pigs, chicken, slaughter them, eat them. 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:06.040 Yeah, but you raise. 1:10:06.120 --> 1:10:08.479 It was just it was it was it was a 1:10:08.479 --> 1:10:11.360 family deal, you know, all all the kids knew this deer. 1:10:11.479 --> 1:10:14.759 And I told him exactly what happened. And uh and 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:18.360 and it just was not an appealing idea to eat roadrunner, 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:22.040 you know, but it was a good meat. So I 1:10:22.120 --> 1:10:23.240 did salvage the meat. 1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:29.759 Yeah, hmm, that's my story. Okay, how'd you meet Brent Reeves? 1:10:29.800 --> 1:10:34.000 Now we were fighting. 1:10:34.200 --> 1:10:37.639 Now I've known Brent for it's probably since twenty ten 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:41.800 or so. And uh, Brent actually first called me when 1:10:41.840 --> 1:10:44.800 I was doing I had a regional magazine and a 1:10:44.840 --> 1:10:49.080 regional hunting organization called Arkansas Black Bear Association, and and 1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:51.600 Brent had reached out to me because Brent was a videographer. 1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:54.920 He was doing a lot of filming and he was like, hey, 1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:57.880 it's a guy in Arkansas film some bear hunts. I'd 1:10:57.920 --> 1:11:01.680 like to he he he offered to help me. It's like, hey, 1:11:01.680 --> 1:11:03.120 if you want, if you want somebody to film a 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.040 bear hunt, I'd be willing to do it. That's that's 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:08.519 how we became friends. And at first I brushed him off. 1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:11.880 It was just like, ah, man, thanks, I appreciate it 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:13.760 because I was pretty tight with my in my bear 1:11:13.840 --> 1:11:17.920 hunting world still am and uh, but over you know, 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:19.840 Brent can take over at any moment here. 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:23.960 Yeah, it was the next year you called and said, hey, 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:28.200 you're still interested in doing that, and because you were 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:31.599 doing those fundraisers for the magazine, and then I can 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:35.080 went over to West Arkansas and filmed the first hunt 1:11:35.160 --> 1:11:38.040 over there, and then it was after that it was 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:41.439 I'd get a call, hey, man, can you go here? Yep, 1:11:41.640 --> 1:11:43.840 I can do that. And I had had a job 1:11:43.880 --> 1:11:45.840 that where I could pretty well take off when I 1:11:45.880 --> 1:11:49.880 wanted to. And what was that job? This is what 1:11:49.920 --> 1:11:53.920 I'm doing now. I worked for the federal government. But 1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:55.720 you used to be in law enforce. I'm still in 1:11:55.800 --> 1:11:58.200 I'm still in law enforce. Okay, Yeah, I can't go 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:01.040 into the details of but it's it's with the Food 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:04.720 and Drug Administration now. And that's a commissioned position, a 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:06.200 law enforcement officer position. 1:12:06.640 --> 1:12:09.120 Got it, so he still has a badging a gun. 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:10.920 Kids, listen off. If you want to have a lot 1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:14.160 of free time, good chame job, pretty flexible hours. 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:16.040 There's a cryptic position. 1:12:18.520 --> 1:12:21.200 Yeah, that's only been for the like the last eight years, 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:24.800 and there's there's only five of us in the state 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:29.360 and we're mainly dealing with the tobacco laws. So's that's 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:34.040 our concentration there. The federal it has a lot a 1:12:34.080 --> 1:12:35.320 lot to do with taxes. 1:12:36.320 --> 1:12:38.519 And you don't have to tell him what you do, 1:12:39.040 --> 1:12:41.639 but tell him what you did before. Like you're well, 1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:43.960 a little bit about your law enforcement career. 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:46.320 Yeah, I started out as a deputy sheriff and then 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:50.679 I went into undercover work. I ran a drug task 1:12:50.760 --> 1:12:54.280 force in southeast Arkansas had we had six counties in 1:12:54.320 --> 1:12:58.000 that district, and I was the agent in charge and 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:02.559 had a number of undercover agents working as well. It 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:07.639 was all undercover positions and for that period of time, 1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:10.840 our one hundred percent focus was drug investigations. And this 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:15.160 would have been during the height of methamphetamine movement coming 1:13:15.200 --> 1:13:20.280 into that part of the world, and it was one 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:26.920 meth lab after another. You know, Arkansas is an agriculturally 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:30.840 driven state, that part of Arkansas, so a lot of 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:32.639 the stuff that would have been hard to come by 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:39.840 in urban places, like an hydrosumonia, which is you know, fertilized, 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:43.640 it was held in humongous storage tanks on farms in 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:47.200 remote places and easy to get to. Oh I got it, 1:13:47.360 --> 1:13:50.400 so that and you go to Walmart and get the 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:52.559 rest of the ingredients you need to get. 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:56.400 That was the reason that now when you go into 1:13:56.439 --> 1:14:00.200 buy science medication you had to sign for it. That 1:14:00.360 --> 1:14:03.680 was the reason. Right there. We're going to stray from 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:05.920 the normal subject matter of the show here for a second. 1:14:05.920 --> 1:14:10.680 But to what degree do you mean to understand this? 1:14:11.160 --> 1:14:18.200 To what degree did the opioid crisis eliminate myth from 1:14:18.240 --> 1:14:19.080 the landscape. 1:14:21.120 --> 1:14:26.439 I don't know that it's eliminated it, but myth was 1:14:26.479 --> 1:14:29.960 still number one when I got out of that. Opioids 1:14:30.040 --> 1:14:33.639 was just coming on. Now by far, opioids are the 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:36.120 most abused drug you know that you can get from 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:37.960 the doctor's office, from the drug store. 1:14:38.520 --> 1:14:42.680 It's more abused than anything. And at that time. 1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:48.240 When I was in everybody made their own methopetomine. I mean, 1:14:48.320 --> 1:14:52.760 if we this group of folks right here, five of 1:14:52.840 --> 1:14:55.040 us would be manufacturing and the rest of them would 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:55.599 be using it. 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:59.439 And out of how many people, how many people we 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:00.000 got in here? 1:15:00.200 --> 1:15:01.960 I know, but I mean, like, where is that. 1:15:02.160 --> 1:15:04.120 In that part of in that part of Arkansas? 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:04.920 It was that bad. 1:15:05.240 --> 1:15:07.160 Oh yeah, it was that bad, And it was so 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:07.920 easy to make. 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:10.520 I mean you could get the you could get the 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:14.840 recipes for it right off the internet. There was there 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:20.320 was no everybody in their brother was cooking and selling men. 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:22.519 So they were making it for just personal use. 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:30.120 Probably no, no, they a lot of them were. You know, 1:15:30.160 --> 1:15:34.320 it's it's it's a real big, out hard algorithm to 1:15:34.360 --> 1:15:40.320 get around. Some folks manufactured it and their deal they're high, 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:46.240 was making the best having the best methamphetamine in this area, 1:15:46.880 --> 1:15:49.320 and other folks were making it just to get the 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:53.400 next fixed. But if they made enough, and they were friends, 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:56.280 Me and Claire friends, okay, man, we got to find 1:15:56.280 --> 1:15:56.879 some somewhere. 1:15:56.880 --> 1:15:59.840 Well, heck, let's just make some. Then we started making it. 1:15:59.840 --> 1:16:04.000 Well, I've got a cousin that you know, he likes it, 1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:08.160 or he'll his girlfriend does it occasionally, so okay, well 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:11.000 we'll make them some if they'll go get pills. 1:16:11.400 --> 1:16:12.200 So that that was. 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:15.320 People started catching on to it, and then you you 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:18.000 couldn't go to Walmart and get everything you needed. Then 1:16:18.040 --> 1:16:19.960 you had to go to one Walmart and get one thing. 1:16:20.360 --> 1:16:22.280 Then you had to go to another store and get 1:16:22.280 --> 1:16:25.880 another piece. Because people started putting it together. You know, 1:16:25.920 --> 1:16:31.040 why is this guy coming by all this siinus medicine 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:36.559 and you know, and solvents, charcoal lighter and all the 1:16:36.800 --> 1:16:37.439 So it's not. 1:16:37.439 --> 1:16:40.960 Clear why opioids now are better than that. 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:41.439 Is it just? 1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:41.760 Is it? 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:44.040 I guess there's just trends inside. 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:46.479 Of well, there are trends, and you know, some of 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:50.720 them may be contributed to the consistency of what you 1:16:50.720 --> 1:16:57.840 could get, because obviously pharmaceutical grade narcotics are you get 1:16:57.840 --> 1:16:59.599 what you pay for. Every one of them is the same. 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:02.360 If you're getting meth from me this week and then 1:17:02.360 --> 1:17:05.080 meth from Tony next week, you know, is a big 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:07.880 difference in what you're and what you're getting. And now 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:12.040 the there's hardly any manufactured here compared to what it was. 1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:15.759 It all comes out of you know, Mexico and other places. 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:22.040 Now, do you think it was effective to go after it? Like, 1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:26.160 did you meaningfully reduce what was available? I know that, Yeah, 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:29.120 you think so. I think so. I think. 1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:32.439 You know, we were working at that time anywhere from 1:17:33.479 --> 1:17:37.840 four to five methaphetamine labs a month, on top of 1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:43.519 undercover bides and all the other investigations we were doing 1:17:43.840 --> 1:17:48.439 for one one calendar year. Our for our budget, the 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:52.720 state funded budget for every one dollar we spent out 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:55.800 of the whole budget. We took three hundred dollars worth 1:17:56.040 --> 1:18:00.160 street value of drugs off the street. Wow, well it 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:01.559 was a big deal. 1:18:02.000 --> 1:18:04.800 He's got wild stories about and he may not want 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:07.880 to share him He probably doesn't. But of some of 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.320 those busts and all the different stuff they had to do. 1:18:11.920 --> 1:18:14.440 So would you just hand off when you phone the locations? 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:16.200 Would you guys hand it off? And then someone to 1:18:16.280 --> 1:18:20.000 go in there and tear the place apart? So am 1:18:20.040 --> 1:18:21.519 I working on the meth labs? 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:21.920 No? 1:18:22.120 --> 1:18:25.840 We It was me and three other guys from Little 1:18:25.920 --> 1:18:31.360 South of Little Rock that were certified in dismantling methamphetamine labs. 1:18:31.400 --> 1:18:34.719 We went to DEA put on, a big class or 1:18:34.760 --> 1:18:37.680 a school in Quantico, Virginia. So we had to go 1:18:38.080 --> 1:18:42.320 and get certified and all the different hazardous materials you 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:45.759 had to deal with, and at that time, most big 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:50.800 urban fire departments would have a hazardous material disposal team 1:18:51.360 --> 1:18:55.440 for like working accidents on the highway or train derailments, 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:59.439 you know, with carrying hazards materials, and. 1:18:59.360 --> 1:18:59.840 We would go. 1:19:01.120 --> 1:19:09.280 We'd have to wear SCBA's you know, suit containment suits, masks, 1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:11.280 whole bottle of wax to go in and run these 1:19:11.320 --> 1:19:15.479 warrants and rate on these raids, make the lab safe 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:18.679 if it was in operation, because you're dealing with chemicals 1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:24.000 and things, they're all corrosive or explosive. Render it safe, 1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:26.920 and then stand by with it until a hazmat team 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.559 could get there to properly dispose of it. 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:35.520 So you had to raid it in a hazmat suit. Yeah, 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:37.639 because you have no idea what you're interrupting or what's 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:37.960 going on. 1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:40.439 Yeah, you never know. And you go in there and 1:19:40.479 --> 1:19:45.720 there'd be kids playing in the floor. Oh it's yeah. 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:49.720 Yeah. What was was, if you had to generalize, was 1:19:50.360 --> 1:19:57.880 resistance compared to other illicit activities. Was a resistance to 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:05.679 arrest higher four math folk. Then people engaged in other 1:20:06.120 --> 1:20:09.120 illegal activities because of the stereotype of them being like 1:20:09.240 --> 1:20:11.559 kind of crazy and jacked up and ship you know. 1:20:11.680 --> 1:20:15.599 Just depending on the on the individual in what stage 1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:18.880 they were in. Some of them actually thought it was 1:20:19.080 --> 1:20:23.360 it was a relief and they knew they had a problem. 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:27.080 They could see, you know, they could look at themselves 1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:29.240 every day and think, you know, hey, I lost another 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:30.920 tooth today at work. 1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:34.120 And and then. 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:39.439 It became a release for him now some of them. Yeah, 1:20:39.520 --> 1:20:41.680 there was one guy. I remember the Marshalls had a 1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:44.720 had a warrant for a guy in the southern end 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:46.479 of our county or one of the counties that was 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:49.640 in my district. So they called us. We had an 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:52.640 SRT team and he said, what's that stand for a 1:20:52.640 --> 1:20:55.519 Special Response Team LAS of SWAT team. So and I 1:20:55.560 --> 1:20:57.200 was the commander of that. So it said, we want 1:20:57.200 --> 1:21:00.280 to use you guys going there. We're going after you know, 1:21:00.840 --> 1:21:05.960 I suspect. Ay, he's located in your county, a very 1:21:06.040 --> 1:21:09.080 rural place, he said, we're going to Our plan is 1:21:09.120 --> 1:21:10.960 to hit him. You know, you guys come up with 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:13.880 a plan and we'll go with you. Once we get 1:21:13.960 --> 1:21:16.840 him located and get him arrested, we'll take him from there, 1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:20.160 and you know, thank you. So we go down there 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:24.000 and we find the guy, or find where he's living 1:21:24.760 --> 1:21:27.439 during the daytime, and he's working in this garage out there. 1:21:27.520 --> 1:21:30.200 We get a positive ID on him with a spot 1:21:30.280 --> 1:21:30.679 and scope. 1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:33.519 Yeah, that's him. That's the guy we're looking for. So 1:21:33.560 --> 1:21:35.479 I said, Okay, three o'clock in the morning, we're going 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:38.840 to hit this Hit this guy, get him arrested and 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:40.439 get out of there, we'll catch him in the bed 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:45.320 while he's asleep. So we deplore the team and four 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:48.479 of the guys go creeping up to this this property 1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:51.800 and we get just like half a mile through the woods. 1:21:52.640 --> 1:21:54.639 We get up there and we can see the lights 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:58.320 on in the garage and we think, so we'll sit 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:00.360 there and listen a minute, and we can hear him 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:03.080 beating and banging around, moving around in the garage. Like guy, 1:22:03.160 --> 1:22:06.479 this guy's still awake. He's just tinkering. So we go 1:22:06.520 --> 1:22:09.000 ahead and hit the garage and we hit the house 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:11.200 and hit the garage at the same time. And my 1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:14.840 team hit the garage and that guy's in there. He's 1:22:14.880 --> 1:22:16.720 still in there, and he's painting the car with a 1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:20.840 paint brush one end of the other. We hit the door, 1:22:20.920 --> 1:22:22.760 kicked the door open. He never looked up and he 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:28.559 just kept painting. Knocked the paint brush out of his hand, 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:31.000 and you know, hooked him up and took him out 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:33.360 and he never said a word. I don't know that 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:36.120 he even knew we were there. Wow, But he had 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:39.960 been there the whole day that there was fifty coats 1:22:39.960 --> 1:22:42.400 of paint on that car. He would just dump open 1:22:42.479 --> 1:22:46.519 another can, grab a paint brush. Really yeah. The interview, 1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:48.559 Marshall said that guy told him he had been awake 1:22:48.600 --> 1:22:55.240 for like eight days. Go fast reason they call it 1:22:55.240 --> 1:22:55.799 go fast? 1:22:57.400 --> 1:22:59.519 God? Man, Yeah, I need to get some of that 1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:03.720 for the people work here. You have to take something 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:10.400 like I'm doing all that podcast? What's next? Because I 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:14.760 that one nine times? Yeah? Yeah, You're dental insurance is 1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:20.040 going to go up. No, that's incredible, man, What it 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:21.479 was strange? Did you want to get out of that 1:23:21.520 --> 1:23:22.000 pretty bad? 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:22.599 Yeah? 1:23:22.640 --> 1:23:25.479 It was pretty rough. You know, remarried all through it? 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:29.760 Uh huh off and on? Uh yeah, what does that 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:31.360 mean about sixteen years? 1:23:31.439 --> 1:23:34.599 Yeah? I had a starter wife. Oh, I got it. 1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:37.639 You know, it's it's rough on the family's it's rough. 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:39.200 It was rough on everybody. 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:43.240 I get it. But to explain it, how like what 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:44.400 as well? It was? 1:23:45.000 --> 1:23:49.280 It was all encompassing. I got a high off of 1:23:49.880 --> 1:23:55.519 the work. I couldn't rest thinking. And I'll take it 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:59.160 back to the very beginning. The first time I saw 1:23:59.320 --> 1:24:01.799 a house full of children that were in a bad 1:24:01.840 --> 1:24:06.040 way because of it, that was it just lit a 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:09.400 fire and I couldn't rest. I thought every child should 1:24:09.600 --> 1:24:12.679 should grow up like I did, and every child should 1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:16.320 be like my children and that and have to worry 1:24:16.360 --> 1:24:19.519 about missing, you know, a cartoon on them, or not 1:24:19.640 --> 1:24:23.160 getting their favorite kool aid. Be their only worried, not 1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:26.280 if I'm going to step on a hypodermic needle in 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:29.720 the yard, or if you know, Mama's going to wake 1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:32.519 up from whatever it is she just took, or where 1:24:32.520 --> 1:24:35.479 my next meal is coming from. And I and there 1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:39.000 was at one time I held the record for how 1:24:39.000 --> 1:24:43.600 many kids I'd taken away from people like that. And 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:48.240 it was just horrible that the stuff that you see 1:24:48.280 --> 1:24:51.400 those kids are in and I could not rest and 1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:54.920 I neglected some of my kids for that. You know, 1:24:54.960 --> 1:24:56.599 when I should have been at home, I was. I 1:24:56.640 --> 1:24:59.800 was out working. And so it was, you know, it 1:24:59.840 --> 1:25:06.479 got it got tough. It was tough, but that that 1:25:06.640 --> 1:25:11.559 was my always my motivation. It was I couldn't rest 1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:14.840 on the laurels of you know, we got this guy 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:18.320 that we've been after for six months, Okay, we got him, 1:25:18.360 --> 1:25:21.080 Who cares, Let's get the next one. And it didn't 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:26.040 matter when it was, it was Christmas or whatever birthdays? 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:29.280 That was the focus. Did you give up hunting and 1:25:29.320 --> 1:25:30.400 fishing during those years? 1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:34.160 No, we still did I still did it. I didn't 1:25:34.160 --> 1:25:37.479 have many hunting dogs during that length of time because 1:25:37.479 --> 1:25:40.960 I couldn't. It was just it didn't work. But no 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:43.479 I did. I hunted and fish and I did that 1:25:43.520 --> 1:25:45.640 with my family. You know, that was the time that 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:46.479 I spent with them. 1:25:47.240 --> 1:25:49.479 But you got you were in the waterfoul business for 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:50.240 a long time. Yep. 1:25:50.360 --> 1:25:53.679 My brother and I ran a guide service for about 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:57.360 twenty six years. And this is some of this overlap. 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:59.439 Some of some of that time I was in patrol 1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:07.519 and in the uniform part. So but yeah, there's there 1:26:07.600 --> 1:26:09.880 was a lot of a lot of time. Yeah, we 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:13.559 did that on the Arkansas River, Like I said, for 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:16.120 twenty six years. We got it folks from all over 1:26:16.160 --> 1:26:17.280 the nation. 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:21.000 Do you are you worried that Clay thinks that maybe 1:26:21.040 --> 1:26:24.160 you're an undercover game warning investigating Clay. I have never 1:26:24.240 --> 1:26:27.920 heard that story. That is news to me. 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:34.960 Of course, he's he's always When I when I interviewed 1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:40.000 Artie Stewart, I was like, Artie and Britt have a 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:40.759 lot in common. 1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:46.120 An undercover agent's like the best friend in the. 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:49.840 World, always ready to go, always got an extra cash, 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:54.200 and always missing, always missing, always wanting you to take 1:26:54.240 --> 1:26:54.639 the shot. 1:26:55.160 --> 1:26:57.200 Always wanted to video you. 1:26:57.479 --> 1:26:59.640 Yeah, that was my biggest saying is like, finally I 1:26:59.680 --> 1:27:05.200 was like, Brant wants to video of me everywhere I go. No, no, yeah, 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:08.360 that's our I mean, he's in there, just still he's 1:27:08.720 --> 1:27:10.719 if he's still in he's in deep, which I'm pretty 1:27:10.760 --> 1:27:11.360 convinced he is. 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:14.400 So tell me now get to the part about about you. 1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:17.360 Start like like, how did you guys? I remember when 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:19.040 Klay came to me and said, I think Brent Reeves 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:19.760 should do a show. 1:27:21.200 --> 1:27:24.599 Can I segue from Brent's That's some of the most 1:27:24.640 --> 1:27:27.839 I've ever heard Brent publicly talk about his law enforcement stuff, 1:27:27.920 --> 1:27:28.160 is it? 1:27:28.280 --> 1:27:29.120 Yeah? Absolutely? 1:27:29.680 --> 1:27:36.320 Like and so this segue, well, I'm just telling you, Brent. 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:40.120 We talked on the phone yesterday and we're we're yeah, 1:27:40.160 --> 1:27:42.479 there's a new podcast coming out called This Country Life 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:45.800 with Brent Reeves and if you're if you're around Brent, 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:49.360 he does not talk about law enforcement stuff like I'm 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:52.360 like you, Steve, I'm constantly like, tell me about this 1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:56.760 or that, and he like usually wants to get around it. 1:27:57.520 --> 1:28:00.800 And what he said to me yesterday, as he said, Clay, 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:03.920 I spent thirty years of my life dealing with people 1:28:04.000 --> 1:28:07.920 on the worst day of their life, at their worst self, 1:28:08.880 --> 1:28:12.000 and and he said, I want this podcast to be 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:17.880 about the good days. And so this Country Life with 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:20.120 Ritt Reeves is gonna. 1:28:19.840 --> 1:28:23.040 Be it's about the guys that got away on that. 1:28:23.479 --> 1:28:27.720 Yeah, no, it's a it's it's uh, it's gonna be well. 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.360 And I don't want to steal Brent's nunner. 1:28:29.400 --> 1:28:34.320 But but that segue into this is gonna be a lighthearted, 1:28:34.640 --> 1:28:40.840 fun short podcast. And Brent, aside from having this law 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:45.880 enforcement career, has lived a very robust rural American life. 1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:47.360 I mean, there's a there's. 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:49.880 A boat ramp on the Saline River at Arkansas named 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:54.040 after Brent's dad. They squirrel hunted and had lines of 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:58.360 cur dogs and and just anything any kind of like 1:28:58.760 --> 1:29:02.000 Southern hunting cred that you want to get, Brent Reeves 1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:04.680 has it. And Brent, of all people, and here I 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:13.080 am talking over Brent. Brent remembers stories like nobody I've 1:29:13.080 --> 1:29:15.320 ever met like he. Every time I'm with him, he 1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:18.639 tells a story or remembers something and I go, did 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:19.920 you just make that up? 1:29:20.240 --> 1:29:20.559 Did you? 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:25.240 And And it's like, so this Country Life with Brent 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:29.599 Reeves is a podcast that capitalizes on stuff that Brent's 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:36.280 really good about. It's telling great stories, teaching country skills, yep, 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:39.799 to teach you how to beat the systems. 1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:44.280 Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a throw in, just recent 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:48.280 but it works. And it's not like getting away with 1:29:50.120 --> 1:29:53.439 it's going against like corporate thinking or doing things that 1:29:54.000 --> 1:29:57.599 give you an advantage, getting you get a better lesson 1:29:57.640 --> 1:30:00.200 out of it, you know than the and. 1:30:02.160 --> 1:30:03.120 Going along with it. 1:30:03.520 --> 1:30:06.479 Give us an example, because Clay was saying, you had 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:08.760 something that he that you had a thing about the 1:30:08.760 --> 1:30:10.639 first time you beat the system. 1:30:11.120 --> 1:30:14.479 Yeah, that was when I was in the sixth grade. 1:30:15.240 --> 1:30:16.200 It's kind of a long story. 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:18.120 Yeah, yeah, do you want to I don't know if 1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:20.000 you want the whole story here because it's this is 1:30:20.040 --> 1:30:21.960 the opening podcast. 1:30:22.040 --> 1:30:26.000 Is him telling the extended version of the story. Oh, 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:28.120 I don't know. You want to hear it, I'll tell it, 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:30.599 tell me a truncated version. Okay. 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:33.519 When I was in the sixth grade, you know, I 1:30:33.600 --> 1:30:36.479 like to do things, and everything that I like to 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:40.559 do had nothing to do with school. There was other 1:30:40.640 --> 1:30:42.600 things to do, all of it outside. I grew up 1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:47.640 on a little farm and if I wanted to be 1:30:47.680 --> 1:30:49.720 in the woods. I wanted to be outside. I want 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:51.479 to be if when I got my chores were done, 1:30:52.040 --> 1:30:54.439 I had to go. I didn't TV was not a 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:59.120 I didn't care about watching television. So when I was 1:30:59.160 --> 1:31:01.679 in school, it wasn't that I was missing something on TV. 1:31:01.800 --> 1:31:03.880 I was missing something in the woods somewhere, or there 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:07.960 was a pickle fish and do anything. And I had 1:31:07.960 --> 1:31:12.000 a buddy that lived in town. I rode the bus 1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:14.680 to school. His mama brought him to school and we 1:31:14.720 --> 1:31:16.280 would sit out in front. This I was in the 1:31:16.320 --> 1:31:19.679 sixth grade. We sit out in front school every morning. 1:31:20.200 --> 1:31:22.599 All the kids gathered up there. The bell would ring, 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:24.479 all the kids would go in with the duty teacher, 1:31:25.400 --> 1:31:27.840 and there was a potlatch meal. There was two meals 1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:31.200 in Warren, Arkansas, where I. 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:32.519 Grew the extended version. 1:31:32.560 --> 1:31:36.000 Man, Well, you got to have this context for the 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:38.519 rest of it to make sense. And they were on 1:31:38.640 --> 1:31:40.719 each side of town, and they ran a little railroad 1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:44.280 that took lumber and wood chips from one side of 1:31:44.320 --> 1:31:47.000 the town to the other, back and forth to those 1:31:48.280 --> 1:31:51.559 to those between those meals, and it rolled right beside 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:56.120 the elementary school, the sixth, fifth, and sixth grade school 1:31:56.200 --> 1:31:59.639 right there, forty yards from the front door. And I'm 1:31:59.640 --> 1:32:03.400 thinking that it came by nine times out of ten 1:32:03.439 --> 1:32:06.680 when the bell would ring to go into school, and 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:10.080 it came back by fifteen to twenty minutes before school 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:12.800 let out every day. And I'm thinking, dude, that's my 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:16.120 ticket right there. I get somebody to go with me, 1:32:16.760 --> 1:32:19.160 and my friend would go with me, and he did, 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:21.320 and we jumped that train and we rode it to 1:32:21.360 --> 1:32:23.840 the middle of the town. After all the kids went in. 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:27.640 We hoboed from one end of the warren to the 1:32:27.640 --> 1:32:31.040 middle and got out and knocked around all day, then 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:33.519 got back on it when it was climbed back up 1:32:33.520 --> 1:32:36.439 on them the depot. They cranked that train up, took 1:32:36.479 --> 1:32:38.479 it back across town, and we bailed off of it 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:43.360 at the school fifteen minutes before before the bell rings. 1:32:43.439 --> 1:32:45.080 We hid in the bushes and the bell ring and 1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:47.200 all the kids come out and we just jumped in 1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:49.479 there with them, and I walked up on that school 1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:54.080 bus like I had the title to it. He got 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:56.880 in the carline to go home, and we beat the 1:32:56.920 --> 1:32:58.040 system and. 1:32:57.960 --> 1:33:02.080 We never got caught. We walked all over town and nobody, 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:04.559 I mean we're seeing people. This is a town of mine. 1:33:04.640 --> 1:33:07.200 Lucky Strike cigarettes out of a vending machine, fifty cents 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:07.519 a pack. 1:33:08.880 --> 1:33:11.360 I remember those that they always had that something like 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:14.479 clear handle. Yep. I know. I was never a smoker, 1:33:14.479 --> 1:33:16.559 but you can just be able to walk up, yeah, 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:19.960 instead of getting bury meat and spin out cigarette cigarettes. Yeah. 1:33:20.720 --> 1:33:23.479 Yeah, So we beat the system. My mother and they 1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:25.400 never knew about it. I told him about it. My 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:27.600 mama didn't believe me. She said, you did not do that. 1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:31.479 You tried to tell it, tried to Yeah, I mean, 1:33:31.560 --> 1:33:35.000 this is I'm grown. She's like, you didn't do that. Yeah, 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:35.360 I did. 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:38.960 And so in my buddy, I don't name him in 1:33:39.000 --> 1:33:42.360 the story, but he went there. We were both involved 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:47.280 in what's coincidental about it? We both we ran in 1:33:47.360 --> 1:33:49.960 separate crowds after that as we as we grew up, 1:33:50.240 --> 1:33:53.920 and we both became involved in law enforcement, me on 1:33:54.040 --> 1:33:57.200 the badge toting hen and him on the other end 1:33:57.240 --> 1:33:59.639 of it. So, oh he got involved in the arts. Yeah, 1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:03.559 he got involved on the other side. So I've always 1:34:03.560 --> 1:34:06.719 thought about that up until the sixth grade. We were 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:08.200 the he got he got arrested. 1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:08.880 He became a criminal. 1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:12.880 Oh yeah, criminal, Yeah, yeah, I think he's squared away now. 1:34:12.920 --> 1:34:16.160 But what kind of crime did you get into? Oh, 1:34:16.240 --> 1:34:21.360 it's just you know, drugs and drinking and all all 1:34:21.439 --> 1:34:23.559 of the sort that you love. I think he's doing 1:34:23.600 --> 1:34:24.080 fine now. 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:27.920 So so I was just going to ask what this 1:34:28.120 --> 1:34:31.519 takeaway or the skill is that we learn from jumping 1:34:31.560 --> 1:34:32.000 the train. 1:34:32.760 --> 1:34:36.120 That's a prelude, Well we beat the system. 1:34:36.320 --> 1:34:38.840 Well, let me explain this. I'll answer your question. So 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:41.640 in the podcast, you're going to hear the stories that 1:34:41.680 --> 1:34:43.560 you need to hear. Yeah, Brent's gonna teach you the 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:46.360 country skills that you need to know to beat the system. 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:49.839 So every episode you're going to hear some great funny story, 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:53.160 like a five or six minute story, and then he's 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:55.640 going to talk about a country skill for instance, Like 1:34:55.720 --> 1:34:57.479 there's one of the episodes is how to train a 1:34:57.479 --> 1:34:59.200 squirrel dog. One of the episodes is how to run 1:34:59.280 --> 1:35:00.800 trot line. One of the episodes is. 1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:02.720 What does a what does? 1:35:02.880 --> 1:35:04.880 What do you need to carry in your pockets if 1:35:04.920 --> 1:35:08.679 you're a countryman? One of one of the episodes might 1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:10.120 be about how to buy a truck? 1:35:11.040 --> 1:35:13.600 And and and there at what point, I don't know 1:35:13.640 --> 1:35:14.880 if you guys are doing this one or not we 1:35:14.960 --> 1:35:19.320 talked about it is how to know when it's okay 1:35:19.360 --> 1:35:24.160 to bring your own dog hunting and when you go 1:35:24.560 --> 1:35:26.720 duck hunt with other people and you're not sure of 1:35:26.800 --> 1:35:28.680 your duck calling skills, how do you know what it's 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:29.960 okay to blow your duck call? 1:35:30.920 --> 1:35:35.240 So one of the episodes is du camp Etiquette. So 1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:38.360 it's it's fun, it's a it's a it's a very fun, 1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:43.880 you know, Jerry Kloer esque, but also gonna teach you 1:35:43.920 --> 1:35:47.120 something fun podcast and it's and it's gonna be I 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:48.920 think I can say this. It's gonna be on the 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:53.560 Bear Grease feed. So if if you if you subscribe 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:56.040 to the bear Grease podcast, They're now going to be 1:35:56.080 --> 1:35:59.840 two drops per week on the bear Grease podcast. Bear 1:36:00.320 --> 1:36:02.040 is going to come out and the Bear Grease Render, 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:04.200 which brand is on most of the time. And then 1:36:04.520 --> 1:36:07.280 This Country Life with Brent Reeves. So you find This 1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:10.240 Country Life with Brent Reeves by going to Bear Grease. 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:13.960 The same way that the Trivia show runs on the 1:36:14.000 --> 1:36:17.800 Mediator podcast feed. Yeah, So what would really be great 1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:26.000 is if picture that This Country Life starts outperforming Bear Grease, 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:28.760 does it become to this Country Life feet. 1:36:30.680 --> 1:36:35.040 Hey, I believe this could happen. Man, people are gonna 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:35.840 love Brent's podcast. 1:36:35.920 --> 1:36:37.160 I think so. I think they're going to. I think 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:38.760 we need to be prepared for change the name of 1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:41.240 that feet. 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:44.400 I'll be wearing that this country life hat, this country patch. 1:36:45.080 --> 1:36:48.759 Now it's it's kind of a perfect story too, because 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:51.160 I would say that if anybody, I mean, people might 1:36:51.200 --> 1:36:53.200 have a lot of criticisms of the Bear Grease podcast, 1:36:53.240 --> 1:36:55.559 but one of them could be that it was just 1:36:55.600 --> 1:36:57.640 kind of like a heavy listen, like you got to 1:36:57.640 --> 1:36:58.160 pay attention. 1:36:58.240 --> 1:36:59.679 It's not like easy listening. 1:37:00.120 --> 1:37:02.320 It's you know, we're usually telling some in depth story 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:03.760 and if you miss half of it, you don't know 1:37:03.800 --> 1:37:06.519 what's going on. Like now what it's it's it's it's 1:37:06.560 --> 1:37:10.120 like a it's like a robust chunk and it's and 1:37:10.160 --> 1:37:13.600 it's longer. Bear Gree's podcast. Is This Country Life with 1:37:13.640 --> 1:37:15.720 Brent Reeves is gonna be like twenty minutes long? 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:17.599 Yeah, fifty. It's just gonna be fun. 1:37:18.479 --> 1:37:20.840 So it's kind of the but it's still gonna be 1:37:20.880 --> 1:37:24.240 in the vein of rural American life. 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:38.920 When does it launch a twenty first Tony, can you 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:41.880 tell me why I'm Uh, can you tell me about 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:43.800 why you think I'm wrong about how mule you're cooler 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:44.439 in white tails? 1:37:45.680 --> 1:37:49.280 H sure, I think and we you know, we were 1:37:49.280 --> 1:37:52.320 talking about this before we started recording. But I think 1:37:52.360 --> 1:37:55.000 you look at them in a certain way because where 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:58.080 you live and where you hunt. No, no, all right, 1:37:58.200 --> 1:38:02.960 why don't you tell me why you said better first? 1:38:04.280 --> 1:38:11.320 No, Tony, go just ignore his Well they're anyway. No, okay, 1:38:11.320 --> 1:38:12.479 I won't go. No, I want you to. 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:17.240 I can't even really, I mean, Tony, you can knock 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:17.880 this out of the park. 1:38:18.360 --> 1:38:23.719 They're just more like more mysterious, Okay. They they drift 1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:26.400 around and show up places. They have a hot, greater 1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:37.040 tendency to be migratory. They're they're a lot of them 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:41.800 are gonna go and never be glimpsed and never like 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:47.479 owned by anybody. They're harder to lay a hand on, 1:38:48.960 --> 1:38:55.640 and they're harder to buy. Meaning when I see a 1:38:55.920 --> 1:39:03.880 true when I see a truly giant white tail rack, okay, 1:39:05.040 --> 1:39:08.519 hanging in you know wherever, hanging in some guy's house 1:39:08.520 --> 1:39:11.320 that I don't know, well, I see a big old 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:15.560 white tail rack. In my head, I'm always thinking, Oh, 1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:21.519 don't even ask, right, okay, because it's like it came 1:39:21.600 --> 1:39:28.719 off some high fence deal whatever whatever, So you assume 1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:32.120 the worst when you see it is usually the case. Yeah, 1:39:32.520 --> 1:39:35.400 when I see a giant when I see like a 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:40.640 freaking giant mule deer rack, and you ask, there's a 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:44.920 really good chance it was a really good chance that 1:39:45.040 --> 1:39:47.840 it came off some crazy chunk of BLM ground somewhere 1:39:47.960 --> 1:39:51.479 or something. You know, It's like, it's just there's a 1:39:51.600 --> 1:39:57.599 greater chance that it was that it stayed free. Okay, 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:06.920 I have, I have gone, I'm about done. I have 1:40:07.640 --> 1:40:10.320 in my house on display. Well, I have in my 1:40:10.360 --> 1:40:14.479 house on display a number of what I regard to 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:17.400 be like pretty nice mule deer. Every one of those 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:24.720 came off public land. Okay. Uh And and people could 1:40:24.720 --> 1:40:29.080 probably assume that that was the case. So I'm not 1:40:29.080 --> 1:40:34.360 saying anything bad about white tails. I'm just saying that's 1:40:34.400 --> 1:40:36.360 why I like them more. It doesn't mean that that 1:40:36.439 --> 1:40:40.120 I that they're not good, But I'm saying, like you 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:44.080 can love two things, right, one's a ninety nine and 1:40:44.120 --> 1:40:46.680 one's one hundred or whatever on a scale of one 1:40:46.720 --> 1:40:51.639 to one hundred. That's why they're higher. Because they're wild 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:53.280 and unknowable and little touchy. 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:57.840 I would say that you might be like twenty percent right, Okay, 1:40:58.720 --> 1:41:01.559 So I look at that and I go and listen. 1:41:01.600 --> 1:41:04.799 I'll preface this by saying, if you were to say, Tony, 1:41:04.920 --> 1:41:06.799 if you're gonna go have a week of fun hunting, 1:41:06.800 --> 1:41:08.960 what would you pick? I'd go spot in stock meal 1:41:08.960 --> 1:41:12.080 deer with my bow. Oh okay, I would huge fan. 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:15.519 But I also look at this, and I go, when 1:41:15.560 --> 1:41:18.280 you say, meal deer are this? 1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:19.559 They're wild? 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:22.040 And I go to my buddy's house and Aspen and 1:41:22.080 --> 1:41:24.320 I see giant meal deer feet in his backyard. 1:41:24.680 --> 1:41:28.320 I go, well, not those, okay, But listen, a turkey 1:41:28.360 --> 1:41:31.280 once beat up my dog in my yard. Yeah, does 1:41:31.320 --> 1:41:33.920 that change how I think about turkeys and turkey hunting? 1:41:34.439 --> 1:41:37.240 There's always a there's always there's always the mildier land 1:41:37.240 --> 1:41:37.720 in someone's ear. 1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:41.439 It's not like it's that that uncommon. And it's also 1:41:41.600 --> 1:41:43.240 I look at it and go, Okay. You can say 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:46.679 you've got a trophy room full of public land meal deer, 1:41:46.840 --> 1:41:48.040 I have a trophy l in it. Or I have 1:41:48.040 --> 1:41:49.760 a trophy room full of public land white tails, Like 1:41:49.800 --> 1:41:54.160 what does that matter? Like there's still asked there, like 1:41:54.439 --> 1:41:56.760 the high fence thing exists in white tails, but so 1:41:56.880 --> 1:42:01.719 does the other end of it. Dude, Okay, the mule deer, Okay, 1:42:01.800 --> 1:42:04.880 let me say it this way. The mule deer just 1:42:05.000 --> 1:42:09.280 generally staying there more wild, all right. But your hunt 1:42:09.400 --> 1:42:12.040 on blm land somewhere is that the same as a 1:42:12.080 --> 1:42:14.400 private ranch hunt somewhere else for meal deer. 1:42:15.080 --> 1:42:17.519 I don't know. I don't understand the question. Are they 1:42:17.600 --> 1:42:19.080 Is it the same hunt? Is it as easy? Is 1:42:19.080 --> 1:42:20.200 it as hard? 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:24.479 Because what I think you're doing is you're lumping white 1:42:24.479 --> 1:42:27.040 tails sort sort of in a negative way. 1:42:27.040 --> 1:42:29.040 But I'm like, I'm not No, No, I was. I 1:42:29.080 --> 1:42:30.840 didn't talk about what I was talking about why I 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:33.800 like Mulder? No, I know, but the reasons you list. 1:42:33.880 --> 1:42:35.719 So if I talk about why I like my wife, 1:42:36.479 --> 1:42:38.120 are you like, man, why are you so hard on 1:42:38.200 --> 1:42:43.439 my wife? No? I'm like, no, I don't know. But 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:46.479 if you what was the original statement, not. 1:42:47.400 --> 1:42:49.320 About that giant white tail on the dude's wall. 1:42:49.400 --> 1:42:53.559 Yeah, And if you said coming down to I was 1:42:53.600 --> 1:42:55.920 at a friend's house and there's like this freaking giant. 1:42:55.960 --> 1:42:57.680 He's got a giant It's not even it's like a 1:42:57.800 --> 1:43:01.040 giant Whitetail Mount and you look at you, there's no way, 1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:04.160 there's no way, there's no way, and sure enough is 1:43:04.280 --> 1:43:06.280 bought from one of them places in Pennsylvania. 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:09.719 Well, what about the fact that there are exponentially more 1:43:09.800 --> 1:43:12.120 white tails and more white tail hunters than mule deer. 1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:15.640 So for sure there's gonna be some apples inside of 1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:19.479 that crate that are not the pristine, romantic, best way, 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:22.040 best practice way we want to kill them, And that's 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:24.519 not the white tail's fault, it's just the fault that 1:43:25.160 --> 1:43:29.240 people have. Well, white tails range is so much bigger, 1:43:29.240 --> 1:43:32.080 there's been so much more biologically successful, There's been so 1:43:32.160 --> 1:43:33.479 much culture built around them. 1:43:33.560 --> 1:43:35.280 I mean, the things that you hate about white tails 1:43:35.280 --> 1:43:36.240 are because they're great. 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:40.000 I mean, the reason guys have high fence operations and 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:42.760 dedicate their lives to growing big deer is because of 1:43:43.240 --> 1:43:46.280 the wild deer that Tony hunts on public land. And 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:48.040 when the guy killed one and they wrote about it 1:43:48.080 --> 1:43:49.960 in nineteen ninety two at North American white Tail, the 1:43:49.960 --> 1:43:52.879 world went crazy and we're living off of that vibe 1:43:53.000 --> 1:43:55.000 and so people cheated the system. 1:43:55.240 --> 1:43:57.080 And so, I mean, white tails are easier to hack. 1:43:57.560 --> 1:43:58.200 Like we know this. 1:43:58.800 --> 1:44:02.320 We know how to make big white tails, and that's 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:05.800 like an undeniable part of the hunting industry. But I 1:44:05.880 --> 1:44:08.280 just don't like the broad statement of being like that. 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:10.080 And people do this to me all the time. They're like, 1:44:10.160 --> 1:44:11.920 that's white tail hunt. You go sit on a food plot, 1:44:11.960 --> 1:44:14.920 you name your bucks, and I'm like, there's so many 1:44:14.920 --> 1:44:18.200 different ways to do this. And you know, like somebody 1:44:18.200 --> 1:44:20.439 who's in Southern II where they have a thousand acres 1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:22.040 and they know how to raise there and they've hacked 1:44:22.080 --> 1:44:24.160 it and they're they're producing two hundred inch year every year. 1:44:24.960 --> 1:44:27.439 That's not the same white tail you're hunting when you 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:28.840 go to the up and you try to bow hunt 1:44:28.880 --> 1:44:30.960 one up there with a low deer density, Right, it's 1:44:30.960 --> 1:44:33.559 a different hunt. That's what I met with a meal 1:44:33.560 --> 1:44:36.640 deer thing. I've hunted them, you know, not nearly as 1:44:36.720 --> 1:44:38.120 much as a lot of people here, but I've hunted 1:44:38.160 --> 1:44:41.120 them quite a bit, and that it's varied a lot. 1:44:41.280 --> 1:44:44.839 You know, like it's felt amazing and like the breaky country, 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:47.559 like that's one of my favorite things to do. But 1:44:47.600 --> 1:44:50.720 there's different kind of meal deer hunts than that. You know, 1:44:50.800 --> 1:44:52.880 then I could do it yourself. Public land white til hunt. 1:44:52.920 --> 1:44:53.040 Right. 1:44:53.080 --> 1:44:55.320 Oh, there's plenty of giant box to get shot underneath 1:44:55.360 --> 1:44:55.799 a pivot. 1:44:55.960 --> 1:44:56.439 Yeah. 1:44:56.560 --> 1:44:58.920 Yeah, a lot of alfalfa field bucks. So I just 1:44:58.960 --> 1:45:01.040 don't like the generalization out here. 1:45:01.120 --> 1:45:05.200 Let me let me let me blow your mind then, please. 1:45:05.320 --> 1:45:10.479 I love muskrats. I like beaver's better than muskrats. Okay, 1:45:11.560 --> 1:45:16.479 I like otters better than beavers. Now it's some muskrat. 1:45:17.040 --> 1:45:19.920 It's just like it's it's it's always like this. Like ducks, 1:45:19.920 --> 1:45:24.720 I like big fat mallards better than some other duck, 1:45:25.920 --> 1:45:28.679 but I like wood ducks most of all. This isn't 1:45:28.680 --> 1:45:30.360 the hack on other things. 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:34.840 I get that, and your your your story about mule 1:45:34.880 --> 1:45:37.679 deer is compelling. I mean, like, I get what you're saying, 1:45:39.120 --> 1:45:42.160 but I mean what we're we're arguing about something that's 1:45:42.400 --> 1:45:44.439 silly to argue about, like the people that turn this 1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:46.960 into a big thing about Oh, Ronella said this about 1:45:47.120 --> 1:45:51.040 white tails. I mean, it's fun to debate it, but 1:45:51.240 --> 1:45:53.000 I mean, really, you're just telling us what you love, 1:45:53.320 --> 1:45:54.920 and Tony's telling you what he loves. 1:45:55.160 --> 1:45:58.439 Yeah, let me let me distial it down more. When 1:45:58.479 --> 1:46:03.080 I see a big old hue, huge mild your mount, 1:46:03.760 --> 1:46:07.800 I feel like I just know, I know I'm looking 1:46:07.800 --> 1:46:10.760 at a more interesting story. The odds are I'm looking 1:46:10.760 --> 1:46:13.799 at a more interesting story than when I see a big, 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:16.799 huge way to I think it goes back to numbers. 1:46:16.800 --> 1:46:20.719 Though there are let's say, there are a million white 1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:23.360 tail mounts of Giant two hundred engineer in this country, 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:27.719 and there are let's say one hundred thousand, one hundred 1:46:27.800 --> 1:46:31.479 thousand milder amounts, And again it goes back to the 1:46:31.880 --> 1:46:32.720 to the numbers thing. 1:46:32.800 --> 1:46:35.599 I see what you're saying in your right I'm talking 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:39.400 about percentages, not total numbers. Well, but I think you're right. 1:46:39.520 --> 1:46:41.320 Yeah, you see a big mulder like it was, it 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:43.840 wasn't a high fence milder. That's your point for me, 1:46:44.040 --> 1:46:44.599 and that's good. 1:46:45.080 --> 1:46:50.360 I mean, I like them both. Conversation Jason Phelps. Jason 1:46:50.360 --> 1:46:54.960 Phelps once told me he will Jason Phelps has vowed 1:46:55.040 --> 1:46:57.200 not to shoot a white tail. I did kill them 1:46:57.280 --> 1:46:58.840 last year, and I absolutely love it. 1:46:59.160 --> 1:47:02.360 But I'm Steve on this one, and not necessarily because 1:47:02.479 --> 1:47:04.800 of ones better than the other. I think when like 1:47:04.880 --> 1:47:07.280 when we're out there doing it, like the boxes that 1:47:07.320 --> 1:47:09.400 you get to check, the adventure most likely is going 1:47:09.439 --> 1:47:11.479 to go to meal deer. Every time you're gonna the 1:47:11.520 --> 1:47:13.639 places that you're gonna go chase these things. I mean, yeah, 1:47:13.680 --> 1:47:15.160 we've hunted them in the breaks, we've hut them down 1:47:15.160 --> 1:47:17.240 in the Bilm flats, but I can't go chase a 1:47:17.240 --> 1:47:19.160 white tail at the top of a mountain above tree line, 1:47:19.200 --> 1:47:21.599 you know. Just most of the time, I think meal 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:25.880 deer just like checks those boxes for me for that 1:47:25.960 --> 1:47:27.320 adventure that you're looking for and hunt. 1:47:27.400 --> 1:47:27.599 Now. 1:47:27.760 --> 1:47:30.200 I love sitting in a tree stand in Kansas just 1:47:30.200 --> 1:47:32.439 as much, you know, not just as much, but it's 1:47:32.479 --> 1:47:34.640 still fun. It's still something I like to do, but 1:47:34.680 --> 1:47:37.559 it's not the work that goes And this is where 1:47:37.560 --> 1:47:39.360 it really gets like a measuring stick, Like you're not 1:47:39.400 --> 1:47:42.280 trying to say this meal deer was way harder to kill, 1:47:42.320 --> 1:47:43.720 and not everybody could do it because I had to 1:47:43.800 --> 1:47:46.680 hike six miles up. But I think some of that 1:47:46.720 --> 1:47:48.840 adds into it, Like you feel more accomplished when you 1:47:48.840 --> 1:47:51.599 can go into meal deer country sometimes and do this 1:47:51.720 --> 1:47:55.040 versus that's a physical exertion, versus the scouting that it took, 1:47:55.160 --> 1:47:57.640 the trail cam pictures that you had to take to 1:47:57.720 --> 1:47:59.479 like put the plan together for this big white tail 1:47:59.520 --> 1:48:01.479 so I think growing up out West, it's a lot 1:48:01.479 --> 1:48:04.280 of that, like checking the box, adventure difficulties. 1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:07.960 See, it's all about mind frame and worldview. Because to 1:48:08.000 --> 1:48:11.880 me and Tony, setting in a tree stand for four 1:48:11.960 --> 1:48:14.479 days daylight, tail dark and killing the big buck is 1:48:14.560 --> 1:48:18.320 the same boxes checked is going into some remote canyon, 1:48:18.360 --> 1:48:21.600 and it's just different. It's the same buzz, it's the 1:48:21.640 --> 1:48:25.519 same you know, you'd say adventure and then this one 1:48:25.560 --> 1:48:28.439 you might say strategy and chess match, and I mean it's. 1:48:28.280 --> 1:48:30.720 Just kind of your worldview and I have to throw 1:48:30.800 --> 1:48:34.000 into there's a personal experienced component of this that's very impressure. 1:48:34.600 --> 1:48:38.479 I grew up only hunting white tails. That was the 1:48:38.520 --> 1:48:41.800 only we had one big game animal. I mean, you 1:48:41.840 --> 1:48:44.479 could go north of us and draw bear tag. We 1:48:44.520 --> 1:48:47.800 had one big game animal all through growing up, all 1:48:48.960 --> 1:48:55.360 big game focus was on hunting white tails. So to 1:48:55.400 --> 1:48:59.599 move away in your twenties and also here's this whole 1:48:59.600 --> 1:49:03.479 other thing, I think it's just a completely different system. Yeah, 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:07.680 it was, you know, a mild active it was like 1:49:07.680 --> 1:49:10.759 an exotic, a mild act of rebellion. It was just different. 1:49:11.120 --> 1:49:15.000 But now I've spent more of my life, you know, 1:49:15.120 --> 1:49:17.040 at this point I spent more of my life focused 1:49:17.080 --> 1:49:18.599 more on Mulder than the white Tails. And now I'm 1:49:18.600 --> 1:49:21.800 starting to get nostalgic and wanted to go and sit 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:23.879 in the tree all the time. Yeah. 1:49:23.960 --> 1:49:26.479 Wait till you get yourself a little twenty acre chunk 1:49:26.600 --> 1:49:29.880 and you start thinking about making some habitat back there 1:49:29.880 --> 1:49:33.040 for those white tails, Buddy, you're gonna get some nostalgia. 1:49:34.040 --> 1:49:37.040 Put some sale cams out. When I was a kid, 1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:46.080 making habitat was dumping carrots. That was habitat improvement. Yeah. 1:49:47.080 --> 1:49:49.320 Oh, your Milder, I love it. I mean what you 1:49:49.320 --> 1:49:52.920 said about Mulder. I've never killed a Mulder. I've never 1:49:53.200 --> 1:49:56.120 never hunted a Milder. But yeah, I love what you're 1:49:56.120 --> 1:49:58.479 saying there. But I also love what Tony said. I mean, 1:49:58.600 --> 1:50:01.920 just it's just different. It's not a legitimate argument. It's like, 1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:04.920 you know, there's no argument. 1:50:04.960 --> 1:50:07.679 I disagree. Plant your flag. Jordan Giannis team mule Deer, 1:50:08.439 --> 1:50:10.120 which definitely Muder. 1:50:10.320 --> 1:50:11.120 Your team Mulder. 1:50:11.800 --> 1:50:15.000 Oh yeah, I think honestly, I'm just team big Buck too, 1:50:15.120 --> 1:50:16.760 because they're hard to kill. 1:50:16.840 --> 1:50:21.160 Man, Jordan's killed some giant Mulder, haven't you. 1:50:21.280 --> 1:50:22.280 A couple of big ones? Yeah? 1:50:22.479 --> 1:50:26.240 Yeah, yeah, what's your giant Milder. You're killing secret? Jordan? 1:50:27.560 --> 1:50:30.599 Uh, I don't know if there's a secret. I think 1:50:30.680 --> 1:50:35.160 it's just uh not quitting, just like keep going. 1:50:35.800 --> 1:50:38.000 I don't know, haven't you killed? 1:50:39.360 --> 1:50:39.559 Yeah? 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:43.960 That was in Nebraska. Yeah, yep, that was in Nebraska. 1:50:43.479 --> 1:50:46.639 And that was like a I mean, I've never seen 1:50:46.640 --> 1:50:49.040 one like that ever before then, and I haven't seen 1:50:49.040 --> 1:50:52.080 one since. So that was definitely kind of a wild card. 1:50:52.120 --> 1:50:54.000 But we call that taking the cream off the top. 1:50:54.439 --> 1:50:59.680 Yeah, taking advantage of a situation, I guess, yeah, or yeah, opportunity. 1:51:00.280 --> 1:51:02.320 So yeah, yeah, do. 1:51:02.240 --> 1:51:06.400 You ever talk about mule deer tactics in your new podcast? Jordan, No, 1:51:06.680 --> 1:51:07.280 because we're. 1:51:07.120 --> 1:51:13.519 All about the gear Talk, just about the gear, talk 1:51:13.560 --> 1:51:16.439 about your show, Jordan. Yeah, so yeah, some guy you 1:51:16.560 --> 1:51:17.080 partnered with. 1:51:17.040 --> 1:51:20.160 The Johanni Yeah, Yanni and I are partnered up on 1:51:20.200 --> 1:51:23.519 the Gear Talk podcast and talking about gear, doing deep 1:51:23.600 --> 1:51:29.040 dives into lamin it's and you know, breatheabowlel of whatever clothing, 1:51:29.479 --> 1:51:32.919 talking about boots and all kinds of stuff. So hopefully 1:51:33.000 --> 1:51:36.519 just to educate consumers on when they decide to buy 1:51:36.640 --> 1:51:38.320 a piece of gear, they have a place to go 1:51:38.400 --> 1:51:41.680 look at and listen to what they should look at 1:51:42.280 --> 1:51:43.200 when they're buying something. 1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:45.800 So yeah, and y'all talk about Mulder because I've heard 1:51:45.800 --> 1:51:47.400 your Mulder story told on there. 1:51:47.680 --> 1:51:50.760 Yeah, I mean, we definitely's right because every week I 1:51:50.760 --> 1:51:52.400 asked Jordan what she's been up to, and then she 1:51:52.439 --> 1:51:54.840 tells me she's been scouting for mule Deer, doing whatever 1:51:54.880 --> 1:51:55.400 she's been doing. 1:51:55.600 --> 1:51:57.320 Yeah, it's true. 1:51:58.840 --> 1:51:59.759 Tell me Annie, Joannie. 1:52:00.360 --> 1:52:03.400 I couldn't have said it any better. But in the end, Yeah, 1:52:03.439 --> 1:52:05.200 don't feel like you're getting sold something. You need to 1:52:05.280 --> 1:52:08.840 look at it as though you're learning about When I 1:52:08.840 --> 1:52:13.320 had to make a sort of a PSA, Yeah, it 1:52:13.360 --> 1:52:16.040 wasn't quite a PSA, but it just had I had 1:52:16.040 --> 1:52:18.679 to get off my chests i'd read I'd been reading 1:52:18.680 --> 1:52:21.280 too many comments, too many people thinking like I was 1:52:21.320 --> 1:52:23.679 selling them something, or Jordan and I were selling them stuff. 1:52:24.280 --> 1:52:26.879 And I want everybody to know that it's more important 1:52:26.920 --> 1:52:28.360 to me that you get out in there and go 1:52:28.479 --> 1:52:32.040 hunting versus going buy new gear. If it comes down 1:52:32.080 --> 1:52:34.840 to that, you spending money on gas and ammos, you 1:52:34.840 --> 1:52:37.000 can actually be in the field hunting versus buying a 1:52:37.040 --> 1:52:41.160 new jacket. Do the former, not the latter, right, But 1:52:41.640 --> 1:52:44.439 when you are ready to go buy a new jacket. Hopefully, 1:52:44.640 --> 1:52:46.920 when Jordan and I do a nice review of five 1:52:46.960 --> 1:52:50.120 different soft shells, you can go, oh, I listened to that, 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:51.960 and now I know what I'm looking for it. Maybe 1:52:51.960 --> 1:52:53.720 you don't even buy one of those, but you'll know 1:52:53.800 --> 1:52:56.479 that you might be looking when you pick up the jacket. 1:52:56.520 --> 1:52:59.720 You're gonna be thinking about air permeability, whether or not 1:52:59.720 --> 1:53:03.920 it pit zips, how well it fit, you know, if 1:53:03.960 --> 1:53:07.479 it runs large, runs small, price point, whatever it might be. 1:53:07.960 --> 1:53:10.679 But yeah, we hope to just educate everybody on their 1:53:11.280 --> 1:53:15.200 gear or their future gear buying, and and hopefully also 1:53:15.320 --> 1:53:17.679 educate you how you use the gear in the field 1:53:18.120 --> 1:53:22.640 and what you told along with you, Yeah, what you 1:53:22.720 --> 1:53:24.679 told a long as far as gear goes, Oh yeah, 1:53:24.680 --> 1:53:28.280 oh yeah, what to grab or not to grab? 1:53:28.400 --> 1:53:28.799 Yeah. 1:53:28.920 --> 1:53:31.280 Yeah. We've already done a couple of pack dump episodes 1:53:31.920 --> 1:53:35.479 talk about what was in Jordan's bear pack when she's 1:53:35.520 --> 1:53:39.400 going bear hunting. My turkey Vest did a pack dump 1:53:39.439 --> 1:53:39.640 on that. 1:53:39.760 --> 1:53:41.880 We talk with people in the industry that are making 1:53:42.000 --> 1:53:44.840 boots and making jackets and kind of educating people on 1:53:45.040 --> 1:53:46.280 how stuff happens. 1:53:46.680 --> 1:53:49.000 That's right, that's right. We recently did a podcast of 1:53:49.080 --> 1:53:53.000 Taylor Chamberlain, who's shot I think more dear than anybody else. 1:53:53.000 --> 1:53:55.480 I know. We talked all about all the different broadheads 1:53:55.479 --> 1:53:58.160 he's tried and the results that he's seen with different broadheads. 1:53:58.160 --> 1:54:00.240 That's a downtown deer hunting guy or no, that's right. 1:54:00.920 --> 1:54:05.519 Yeah, he's killed a lot of deer to almost so 1:54:05.680 --> 1:54:09.000 many that he doesn't like to say the numbers because 1:54:09.040 --> 1:54:11.240 it kind of makes people a little sick when they 1:54:11.520 --> 1:54:13.800 think about people killing that many animals. 1:54:13.840 --> 1:54:16.160 But he kills them all downtown like nuisance deer. 1:54:16.280 --> 1:54:17.160 Yeah, one percent. 1:54:17.400 --> 1:54:18.879 Yeah, that's why he kills so many. 1:54:19.200 --> 1:54:21.599 Sometimes three and four to sit and I don't want 1:54:21.600 --> 1:54:26.400 to like applaud you know, this sort of like mass killing. 1:54:26.479 --> 1:54:29.840 But yeah, I mean there a lot of these suburban 1:54:29.920 --> 1:54:32.720 areas have these deer problems, and there are a lot 1:54:32.760 --> 1:54:35.520 of bull hunters that are in there trying to help 1:54:35.560 --> 1:54:37.080 it out, you know, and help out the people that 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:40.680 don't want their fancy flowers eating up, and probably help 1:54:40.720 --> 1:54:43.240 the deer population in general, right because they're eating themselves 1:54:43.280 --> 1:54:47.200 out of house and home. But yeah, I think you 1:54:47.200 --> 1:54:49.680 can say it's in the number, is in the thousands 1:54:50.240 --> 1:54:52.960 of the deer that he's taken with an arrow, and 1:54:53.280 --> 1:54:56.640 it's very interesting to hear his perspective. My big takeaway 1:54:56.640 --> 1:54:58.360 from our interview the other day with him was that 1:54:59.080 --> 1:55:01.640 a lot of us will me personally, if I shoot 1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:04.880 any animal with an arrow and it runs one hundred 1:55:04.960 --> 1:55:09.680 yards and then tips over, I am both arms up cheering, yes, yes, yes, 1:55:09.800 --> 1:55:13.400 best day of my life. I feel great. Well for Taylor, 1:55:13.840 --> 1:55:17.040 he's only someone's backyard. He has to have that deer 1:55:17.120 --> 1:55:20.560 fall over in ten yards or fifteen yards. If it 1:55:20.600 --> 1:55:23.440 goes one hundred yards, his evening went from great to 1:55:23.480 --> 1:55:25.280 not so great because now he's got to probably talk 1:55:25.320 --> 1:55:28.440 to two or three other homeowners. There might be there 1:55:28.480 --> 1:55:31.960 might be a blood trail going across three driveways, blood 1:55:31.960 --> 1:55:36.320 trail on someone's car. Like, he's very focused on making 1:55:36.360 --> 1:55:39.480 that deer drop right then and there, and so the 1:55:39.720 --> 1:55:42.960 very interesting insights on you know, what different types of 1:55:42.960 --> 1:55:46.640 broadheads do and how they perform in that specific sitution. 1:55:46.680 --> 1:55:50.000 No, that's a really good example, man, it's a really 1:55:50.040 --> 1:55:55.600 good example. I remember thinking something similar when it's not 1:55:55.640 --> 1:55:58.320 the same, quite the same example when people argue about 1:55:58.360 --> 1:56:03.080 shot placement right on different things and calibers on different things. 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:05.840 But remember back when all the bison migrating out of 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:08.160 Yelso National Park used to just get shot by the 1:56:08.200 --> 1:56:11.480 Department of Livestock I do and not go to hunter tags. 1:56:13.120 --> 1:56:17.280 So here you what, however, you agree about bison management 1:56:17.360 --> 1:56:20.120 at that time, and whatever your opinions are about how 1:56:20.160 --> 1:56:23.240 that resource ought to be utilized. It's like I could 1:56:23.400 --> 1:56:25.400 point you in the direction of a couple of people 1:56:25.880 --> 1:56:28.240 there really know a lot about how to put bison 1:56:28.280 --> 1:56:33.440 on the ground and what do they do. So everybody 1:56:33.560 --> 1:56:37.320 arguing about, you know, the two times they did it 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:40.120 and what worked out for them, I say, guys, he's 1:56:40.160 --> 1:56:41.360 done one hundreds of times. 1:56:42.160 --> 1:56:47.360 Yeah. The guys that work for for aphis for Wildlife Services, right, 1:56:47.840 --> 1:56:50.360 I mean those people literally they kill for a living 1:56:50.400 --> 1:56:51.400 and so that's their job. 1:56:51.560 --> 1:56:51.760 Right. 1:56:52.320 --> 1:56:55.720 There's people that have killed thousands and thousands of hogs 1:56:55.760 --> 1:56:59.200 and you know, whatever else happens is becoming a. 1:56:59.160 --> 1:57:01.640 Nuisance like what I like to do the time I 1:57:01.680 --> 1:57:04.440 did it, but. 1:57:04.440 --> 1:57:08.960 I did it once for twelve out of fifteen last years, 1:57:09.040 --> 1:57:09.600 so I know. 1:57:09.960 --> 1:57:11.760 Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good place to 1:57:11.760 --> 1:57:15.880 go for some information. Yeah, can you can you give 1:57:15.880 --> 1:57:18.280 you a spoiler alert? What's his take on broad heads? 1:57:19.440 --> 1:57:22.400 We take a guess. 1:57:23.880 --> 1:57:26.400 I mean, I will tell you what his goal is 1:57:26.440 --> 1:57:28.120 and then you can guess as to what it is. 1:57:28.160 --> 1:57:30.360 But as he puts it, he likes to take a 1:57:30.440 --> 1:57:32.400 large chunk out of the animal. 1:57:33.320 --> 1:57:38.160 Really mm hm, so she's an expandable Nope, Oh, he 1:57:38.200 --> 1:57:41.720 doesn't fixed over expandable. Really. Oh, I thought you're gonna 1:57:41.760 --> 1:57:44.400 tell me this one of the freaking you know, like 1:57:44.600 --> 1:57:48.360 when I think of a chunk, I wasn't thinking fixed here. 1:57:48.680 --> 1:57:50.880 But it's a. It's a it's a it's not a 1:57:51.080 --> 1:57:55.440 standard fixed. It is wider, it's got very wide bleeder blades. 1:57:56.000 --> 1:58:00.600 But yeah, he's putting a big hole through these animals 1:58:00.200 --> 1:58:02.040 to stop him quickly. 1:58:02.920 --> 1:58:06.000 Hmm. I'll be tuning in. Yeah, what do you think 1:58:06.000 --> 1:58:08.640 about all that? Phelps? I don't know there. 1:58:08.960 --> 1:58:11.800 But see, you guys already like cut my legs off 1:58:11.800 --> 1:58:14.520 of my argument because I've only shot fifty, you know, 1:58:14.640 --> 1:58:17.280 or thirty thirty five and then maybe seen a hundred 1:58:17.360 --> 1:58:19.000 get killed by an arrow. So it's like, all right, 1:58:19.040 --> 1:58:21.280 you guys have already like taken the wind out of 1:58:21.280 --> 1:58:24.520 my cells. But I don't know, like having something like 1:58:24.720 --> 1:58:28.240 designing a the energy in a arrow isn't meant to 1:58:28.320 --> 1:58:31.440 necessarily drop stuff. Yeah, we've dropped elk with a shot, 1:58:31.480 --> 1:58:33.360 and we've dropped deer through the high shoulder. But it's 1:58:33.360 --> 1:58:37.920 like it's I don't know if like going that direction 1:58:38.040 --> 1:58:39.680 is better than shoot him, letting me aroun one hundred 1:58:39.720 --> 1:58:42.440 yards off because I know that's gonna die eventually. Where 1:58:42.440 --> 1:58:43.960 it's like you can have a lot of more, you know, 1:58:44.040 --> 1:58:46.320 just as many mistakes like high shoulder, neck head whatever. 1:58:46.400 --> 1:58:48.480 I don't know. Yannie didn't give me the answer to 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:50.920 where what's his average shot distance? 1:58:51.760 --> 1:58:54.320 Oh no, I mean again, this is a very specific situation. 1:58:54.480 --> 1:58:57.520 He will not shoot past twenty yards right because he 1:58:57.680 --> 1:59:00.440 has to you know, he has to hit the ring. 1:59:01.040 --> 1:59:04.640 But his ten ring is definitely very far forward into that. 1:59:05.200 --> 1:59:07.080 He said he actually doesn't like to hit the heart 1:59:07.120 --> 1:59:09.360 itself because he feels like that deer is going to 1:59:09.400 --> 1:59:11.520 go a little ways, but basically a couple of inches 1:59:11.560 --> 1:59:14.200 above the heart where it's going to cut that main 1:59:14.480 --> 1:59:18.040 is it the order connection right to the heart and 1:59:18.080 --> 1:59:20.960 basically take out the bottom of the lungs. And also 1:59:21.000 --> 1:59:24.680 he feels like there's a lot of ligaments that connect 1:59:24.720 --> 1:59:26.920 the shoulder to the body there and if he can 1:59:27.120 --> 1:59:29.760 place it just so it gets that and maybe touches 1:59:29.760 --> 1:59:33.040 some of those where almost those front legs become immobilized. 1:59:33.320 --> 1:59:35.760 All right, Yeah, I agree with that shot placement. With 1:59:35.800 --> 1:59:41.200 a big, solid cut, that's probably the best location. You know, 1:59:41.640 --> 1:59:44.480 high shoulder with a big setup. I know I'm opening 1:59:44.480 --> 1:59:46.840 myself up for a whole lot of debate. But with 1:59:46.880 --> 1:59:50.600 a big setup elevated stand like high shoulder will work 1:59:50.640 --> 1:59:52.600 and the thing will become immobile. But there's always a 1:59:52.680 --> 1:59:55.040 chance for a mess up. So there's another wrinkle of 1:59:55.040 --> 1:59:55.440 this too. 1:59:58.920 --> 2:00:01.400 You talk. You mentioned like aphist guys that kill tons 2:00:01.440 --> 2:00:04.800 of urban deer. They shoot him in the head, but 2:00:04.840 --> 2:00:09.480 you know what they can. So there's a fair amount 2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:14.280 of you needing to be open about what your actual 2:00:14.320 --> 2:00:19.640 capabilities are, and that might change your approach where some 2:00:19.680 --> 2:00:23.200 guys like at night how I do it, And I've 2:00:23.240 --> 2:00:25.400 done it hundreds of times when I'm shooting deer out 2:00:25.400 --> 2:00:28.480 of people's yards, I hit them all three eighths of 2:00:28.520 --> 2:00:32.960 an inch down at a four o'clock pattern, down from 2:00:32.960 --> 2:00:35.360 its ear canal. And that's what I do all night long. 2:00:36.520 --> 2:00:40.400 So does that mean that when you're you know, sitting 2:00:40.400 --> 2:00:44.240 in Wisconsin an opening day and some buck comes busting 2:00:44.320 --> 2:00:46.640 out and pauses in the brush three hundred yards away 2:00:46.640 --> 2:00:48.200 that that's your best and he's like, well, I'm gonna 2:00:48.200 --> 2:00:51.240 do like the aphist guys. No, yeah, of course not. 2:00:51.600 --> 2:00:55.760 It's just different. Yeah, you're like, I'm gonna hold center 2:00:55.840 --> 2:01:00.920 mass on the ribs and hope something good happens. So 2:01:00.960 --> 2:01:05.200 it's different but still instructive. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that's good. 2:01:05.880 --> 2:01:08.560 So phelps you. You recovered from getting attacked by a scorpion. 2:01:08.800 --> 2:01:11.320 I'm good, healthy. What else going on in your world? 2:01:12.040 --> 2:01:14.080 Turkey seasons getting close, We're heading out to me and 2:01:14.120 --> 2:01:15.280 you're heading the Kansas what. 2:01:15.240 --> 2:01:17.520 In two weeks? Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Man, finish 2:01:17.560 --> 2:01:20.520 up the line one saga. When we did our line 2:01:20.560 --> 2:01:23.080 one call, I vowed to someday take the one of 2:01:23.080 --> 2:01:25.120 the people that got a line one call, and I 2:01:25.200 --> 2:01:26.840 was said, I'm gonna take him and we're gonna try 2:01:26.880 --> 2:01:29.480 to kill a turkey from that walnut stump. Yeah, I 2:01:29.480 --> 2:01:30.879 don't know that we're I actually gonna. 2:01:30.760 --> 2:01:33.840 Okay, we've been I've been dealing with I've been dealing 2:01:33.880 --> 2:01:35.600 with Chester and Sam a little bit, and I'm like, 2:01:35.920 --> 2:01:38.320 Steve said something in passing. I don't know, like how 2:01:38.360 --> 2:01:40.360 dead set he is, Like, cause if we just move 2:01:40.440 --> 2:01:42.280 forward twenty yards of the field, that it's gonna be 2:01:42.280 --> 2:01:44.160 a way better set up than sitting on that stone. 2:01:44.160 --> 2:01:47.040 Oh, no, visit. So so we took we did. We 2:01:47.080 --> 2:01:51.879 did calls where we went to a place and chopped 2:01:51.880 --> 2:01:55.080 down a big wallnut and chopped down some osage orange 2:01:55.320 --> 2:01:58.320 and made a line one our line one call out 2:01:58.320 --> 2:02:02.280 of that wood. And then we wanted to we were 2:02:02.600 --> 2:02:07.080 we couldn't. Like I always tell people that are going 2:02:07.120 --> 2:02:09.400 into law to go into sweep steaks and raffle law 2:02:10.160 --> 2:02:12.280 to help you out. No, just a general like if 2:02:12.320 --> 2:02:15.840 I was going to start my life over, I would 2:02:15.840 --> 2:02:19.720 spearfish instead of anything else, and my job would be 2:02:19.720 --> 2:02:21.800 I'd be in raffle and sweep steaks law. I would 2:02:21.800 --> 2:02:24.040 have gone to law school and specialize in raffle and 2:02:24.080 --> 2:02:27.160 sweepstakes law, dude, and I would tear a new one. 2:02:27.320 --> 2:02:28.880 I would tear it a new one as a lawyer. 2:02:30.880 --> 2:02:33.560 No lawyer knows anything about sweep steaks and raffle law. 2:02:34.000 --> 2:02:35.480 To the point where people tell you like, oh, I 2:02:35.520 --> 2:02:37.000 guess I don't think you can do that. You never 2:02:37.040 --> 2:02:39.800 get to get this clear answer on it. Anyways, It 2:02:39.840 --> 2:02:43.720 turns out that you can't say, for reasons I'll never understand. 2:02:44.400 --> 2:02:47.640 You can't say when we sell the line one call, 2:02:48.800 --> 2:02:53.000 we're gonna pick someone who bought a line one call 2:02:53.160 --> 2:02:54.920 randomly because they got numbers on them. We're going to 2:02:55.000 --> 2:02:57.200 generate a random number and then take that person to 2:02:57.280 --> 2:02:59.560 hunt the place where we got the trees from. Weren't 2:02:59.560 --> 2:03:02.960 allowed to say it so stupid because you got to 2:03:03.000 --> 2:03:05.200 open up a way for someone who doesn't have any 2:03:05.320 --> 2:03:11.200 jingle to participate. For instance, raffle and sweepstakes law. Every year, 2:03:11.520 --> 2:03:13.800 Yanni and I do a turkey hunt. We give away 2:03:13.800 --> 2:03:17.200 an all expense paid turkey hunt to someone in their 2:03:17.240 --> 2:03:21.640 friend and we cover airfare, lodging. We'll even get them 2:03:21.680 --> 2:03:24.240 a shotgu if they need one gear or whatever a 2:03:24.320 --> 2:03:28.800 turkey hunt. And if you donate twenty five dollars to TRCP, 2:03:29.040 --> 2:03:31.120 all the money, like, all the money goes to a 2:03:31.160 --> 2:03:37.120 nonprofit theatre conservation group, Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. But if 2:03:37.160 --> 2:03:42.240 you're a cheap steak, a cheap skate, you can actually 2:03:42.280 --> 2:03:45.840 sign up without even donating any money to TRCP. So 2:03:45.880 --> 2:03:50.280 we got thwarted on this whole Line one deal. But anyways, 2:03:50.840 --> 2:03:52.600 how'd you end up getting the guy? Then we just 2:03:52.640 --> 2:03:55.760 picked someone and did without ever telling anybody we picked. 2:03:55.800 --> 2:03:58.560 And now we're taking this. We're taking them hunting. We're 2:03:58.600 --> 2:04:01.320 taking him to hunt the place where we got the 2:04:01.360 --> 2:04:02.320 walnut from. 2:04:02.120 --> 2:04:04.320 Which number uh well called that he had. 2:04:04.880 --> 2:04:05.960 I remember how we did. 2:04:06.200 --> 2:04:07.680 I don't even know if we did. I don't know 2:04:07.680 --> 2:04:09.200 if we even though what number he had because it 2:04:09.240 --> 2:04:11.880 was kind of random. We just picked from the original plan, 2:04:11.960 --> 2:04:12.720 the original plans. 2:04:13.080 --> 2:04:14.760 I wanted to get all them ping pong balls that 2:04:14.800 --> 2:04:17.400 got the number on him and that blowing machine, but 2:04:17.640 --> 2:04:18.840 we never were able to do any of that. 2:04:21.000 --> 2:04:23.680 Anyways, I called in and killed more than a couple 2:04:23.720 --> 2:04:25.640 of gobblers last year with that call. 2:04:26.000 --> 2:04:30.720 Dude, sounds good my call. Anyways, we're gonna take someone 2:04:30.760 --> 2:04:33.360 hunting at that spot. And I was saying that I 2:04:33.400 --> 2:04:35.800 wanted to go in there and hunt off that stump. 2:04:35.920 --> 2:04:41.560 That's thick briers there. Now, you'll be to come in there. Now, 2:04:41.600 --> 2:04:43.680 as he opened up the canopy, it's probably figure. But 2:04:43.680 --> 2:04:45.400 we're gonna go in there and take a look. It's 2:04:45.400 --> 2:04:46.880 gonna be awesome. We'll go see the stump. 2:04:47.280 --> 2:04:49.640 Yeah, he's been Randy's been sending his pictures of birds 2:04:49.680 --> 2:04:51.680 everywhere every day, So it's looking good. 2:04:51.720 --> 2:04:53.680 Yeah, that's the thing people like to do. But man, 2:04:54.200 --> 2:04:56.040 it's gonna be good. No, I think it'll be good. 2:04:56.160 --> 2:04:58.680 It'll be good. What else going on. 2:05:00.080 --> 2:05:03.560 About it? Starting to plan fall hunts? Disneyland got in 2:05:03.560 --> 2:05:05.680 the way of Spring Bear for me this year. So 2:05:05.680 --> 2:05:09.240 I'm still recovering from that depression. Taking your kids to 2:05:09.240 --> 2:05:11.680 Disney Yeah, we're gonna do Disneyland, which got right in 2:05:11.760 --> 2:05:14.760 the middle of my at. 2:05:14.560 --> 2:05:17.320 Some point or another. It has. It happens to everybody. Man, 2:05:17.360 --> 2:05:19.640 there's nothing really due. Yeah, and then it's like, man, 2:05:19.680 --> 2:05:21.040 the big you're going to get out of it, Yanni. 2:05:21.680 --> 2:05:24.120 Yeah, I'm already out of it. My kids are nine 2:05:24.120 --> 2:05:24.600 and eleven. 2:05:26.320 --> 2:05:27.960 You don't have to go to Disneyland. 2:05:28.000 --> 2:05:32.680 Man, Well, when your wife tells you I tried very 2:05:32.720 --> 2:05:33.440 hard to get out. 2:05:33.320 --> 2:05:35.480 Of and I did something wrong, it's a long time 2:05:35.520 --> 2:05:36.040 before that. 2:05:36.200 --> 2:05:38.400 The good thing about it is we went and they 2:05:38.400 --> 2:05:41.840 weren't really they didn't really care, like it's never come 2:05:41.880 --> 2:05:45.160 back up again. They didn't. You didn't go, No, we 2:05:45.200 --> 2:05:48.600 took them. They didn't really care. It's never come back 2:05:48.680 --> 2:05:51.240 up again. But one thing that came funny out of 2:05:51.240 --> 2:05:53.280 it is they had a Lego Land. It was like 2:05:53.280 --> 2:05:56.360 a Lego Land by Disney. So we went to Disney 2:05:56.440 --> 2:05:58.160 and then we went to Lego Land, and one day 2:05:58.280 --> 2:06:02.960 my buddy gave me a leg of Lamb and we're 2:06:03.000 --> 2:06:05.120 eating leg of Lamb and then we're at the family 2:06:05.160 --> 2:06:07.720 dinner table talking about leg of Lamb and leg of Lamb, 2:06:07.840 --> 2:06:10.160 and my little boy at one point goes, so, what's 2:06:10.160 --> 2:06:17.560 going on with Lego Lamb? That's the best thing to 2:06:17.600 --> 2:06:20.280 come out of that whole experience. So that, but how 2:06:20.280 --> 2:06:22.360 can that ruin a whole spring bear season? Because I 2:06:22.440 --> 2:06:22.880 was my one. 2:06:22.960 --> 2:06:25.000 I had it planned thinking for some reason, we were 2:06:25.120 --> 2:06:27.080 like going to these land at different time, So planning 2:06:27.120 --> 2:06:29.920 my big hunt with lampers, We're gonna go, gonna go 2:06:29.960 --> 2:06:31.920 do all that, and it just landed wrong. And then 2:06:32.680 --> 2:06:34.480 business kind of always gets in the way, Like we 2:06:34.520 --> 2:06:36.800 don't spell, we don't sell a whole lot of we 2:06:36.840 --> 2:06:40.160 do sell predator calls, but turkey is definitely like the priority, 2:06:40.200 --> 2:06:42.360 and so the time I do have needs to be 2:06:42.400 --> 2:06:43.920 spent chasing turkeys around. 2:06:44.120 --> 2:06:45.800 Got it? Yeah, it's hard to justify it. 2:06:45.920 --> 2:06:50.400 Yeah, yeah, So yeah, got got some new out hooters 2:06:50.880 --> 2:06:52.640 and you know, we brought out this year in new 2:06:52.680 --> 2:06:55.720 small bat calls, so kind of took a little bit 2:06:55.760 --> 2:06:58.640 of a dive back and really wanted to like hone 2:06:58.680 --> 2:07:01.000 in on the designs that we were working on make 2:07:01.000 --> 2:07:04.080 sure they were buttoned up. So brought some world champion 2:07:04.120 --> 2:07:07.440 callers on, James Harrison. James Harrison and then Steve Morgenstern 2:07:07.840 --> 2:07:09.960 kind of joined the design team with me, and so 2:07:09.960 --> 2:07:11.200 I think we knocked it out of the park with 2:07:11.240 --> 2:07:14.320 some of our small batch tricky calls we kicked out 2:07:14.320 --> 2:07:16.080 this year. So I'm excited to get out and start 2:07:16.120 --> 2:07:18.960 testing those. Well we hunt together in Kansas. What call 2:07:19.000 --> 2:07:21.080 you're gonna be using? I think we got to use 2:07:21.080 --> 2:07:22.480 the line one right as much as I'd love to 2:07:22.560 --> 2:07:24.840 use those new small batchs because they're they're dialed. That 2:07:24.920 --> 2:07:26.240 line one is real good. 2:07:27.400 --> 2:07:28.760 Yeah, that and what we do? So are you and 2:07:28.760 --> 2:07:30.000 me gonna be able to hang out because we never 2:07:30.080 --> 2:07:31.800 hunt turkeys together? I think so, I think we. 2:07:32.120 --> 2:07:34.360 I mean, it's your show, but I imagine we all 2:07:34.400 --> 2:07:36.280 start together as a group, and then we'll just break 2:07:36.320 --> 2:07:39.600 apart as people start harvesting turkeys and we'll. 2:07:39.440 --> 2:07:41.600 Tell the dude that won, like you're on your own buddy. Yeah, yeah, 2:07:41.600 --> 2:07:46.760 you see that stump off of them, We'll take it, 2:07:46.840 --> 2:07:48.360 show you where you're supposed to wait. And then me 2:07:48.400 --> 2:07:51.040 and Phelips are going to going to run and gun. 2:07:51.280 --> 2:07:54.640 And I'm excited trail camera over by that stump. Gobblers 2:07:54.720 --> 2:07:55.560 coming by every. 2:07:55.400 --> 2:07:58.440 Day, and I got coming right up, I got coming 2:07:58.520 --> 2:08:05.600 right up youth, the Wisconsin youth turkey, which is the 2:08:05.680 --> 2:08:08.320 highlight of my ear, one of the highlights of my ear. 2:08:08.520 --> 2:08:10.840 And I'm in that thing now of looking at like 2:08:10.840 --> 2:08:15.280 like looking at ten day forecasts, but then at trying 2:08:15.320 --> 2:08:18.520 to extrapolate out days from that ten day forecast, which 2:08:18.560 --> 2:08:20.160 is a nerve wracking experience. 2:08:20.240 --> 2:08:25.440 Man, there's other things be spending your time on Steve. 2:08:25.440 --> 2:08:28.200 No I like, I check it every morning. I do too, 2:08:28.480 --> 2:08:30.960 taking my little girls over there to Wisconsin. Right now, 2:08:31.040 --> 2:08:33.720 the last the farthest out date I can look at 2:08:33.840 --> 2:08:37.120 is a doozy. It is a turkey killing madman. But 2:08:37.120 --> 2:08:44.240 it's by my man, if that turkey season open on 2:08:44.320 --> 2:08:47.600 that day, that'd be a good day at turkey hunting. 2:08:47.920 --> 2:08:50.920 We'll see, all right. I hope everybody out there, uh 2:08:51.200 --> 2:08:57.000 gets out and gets after some birds this spring. Check 2:08:57.040 --> 2:08:57.640 your trail. 2:08:57.480 --> 2:09:02.680 Camps, sir, on public land in Kansas. 2:09:03.120 --> 2:09:06.080 Shot you're seeing any trail KANSA on public land in Kansas. 2:09:06.160 --> 2:09:08.480 Shoot them all, everybody, thank you? 2:09:09.320 --> 2:09:22.320 Oh right A Ride on land on the seal, gray, 2:09:23.520 --> 2:09:36.720 shine like silver in the sun. Ride ride on alone, 2:09:37.520 --> 2:09:38.280 sweet heart. 2:09:39.160 --> 2:09:44.040 Were done beat this damn horse to death, taking a 2:09:44.200 --> 2:09:44.640 new one. 2:09:45.600 --> 2:09:46.680 Ride. 2:09:49.360 --> 2:09:55.000 We're done beat this damn horse today, So take a 2:09:55.120 --> 2:10:02.360 new one and ride on.