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Speaker 7: But I will defend your right.

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Speaker 7: Sure, I think it's really hard. I mean for me

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Speaker 2: Is part of it, not disturbance at non hunting times

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Speaker 1: Boy Brent reeves glad to be here. Man, if you

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Speaker 1: the time, true story, all the time. I heard a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, this Country Life, How to cheat the system, How

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Speaker 1: Brent.

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Speaker 2: People would know if they listen to bar people would

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Speaker 1: M hm. Clay has been an advocate. Tell the whole

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Speaker 1: Join Today by Jordan Bud.

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Speaker 3: What's up.

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Speaker 1: How's it going?

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Speaker 9: It's going good, Glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: You got guiding coming up.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, had three archery guys for turkeys and really it

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Speaker 1: How many clients you got coming for regular turkey?

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Speaker 1: Are you filled up?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, filled up? Yeah, So that's good and people want

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Speaker 1: So excellent. Crazy you got eight turkeys running around?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I filled his new haircut. Jason Phillips is here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. It's a packed toiles. Clay Nukem, Hello,

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, finished off what you're saying now, Well, just about

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no, we'll get to that. We gotta go.

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Speaker 1: need to go. It's two different things.

437
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: And I don't know the legs that that argument actually

438
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 2: had in terms of was that the real reason, But

439
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, it feels to me like it it feels

440
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: to me like a like an action point that an

441
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: agency was able to take to kind of slap down

442
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: just the encroachment of technology on to the traditional way

443
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: of hunting. I mean, whether that actually cross somebody's mind

444
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: or not, it feels like what it is because it

445
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: is outrageous, Like if we could take you know, somebody

446
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty four that was a bow Hunter was

447
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 2: a Turkey hunt. Well, let's even say the nineties when

448
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: things were a little bit more modern, after television and

449
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: some of the you know, more modern things happen, and

450
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: you put them in today's world and had them interview

451
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: a guy and said, what are your number one priorities

452
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: this year? I guarantee in the top three would be

453
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: putting out trail cameras so that I can get intail

454
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: about wildlife without being there.

455
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: And people would go, what are you serious?

456
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: I mean, the trail cam thing is wild, and man,

457
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm I play the game, so don't you know, don't

458
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: hate the player or don't hate the don't hate the player.

459
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Holms, you can fool me once, but you can't

460
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: fool me. What I'm trying to say that you can't

461
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: fool me again.

462
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: The this trail cams are crazy, man, And I mean

463
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: I use them like I use them like crazy.

464
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: It is.

465
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: It is wild how dependent we are on technology for that.

466
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: And if you want to talk about fair Chase, I

467
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: say this privately to people, like people want to talk

468
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: about using dogs or bait or something, and say, fair Chase,

469
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: Lord of Mercy Son, take the GPS on your phone

470
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: and a trail camera. You if if we were on

471
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: a different planet in front of an unbiased judge, and

472
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: I had somebody that was telling me I wasn't fair

473
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: Chase for using dogs and bait, and you had satellite

474
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: GPS mapping on your phone, and just a trail camera went.

475
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: You went from a jury and this I would win. Yeah,

476
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: pick which one of these guys is unfair? I mean,

477
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: it's true. I gotta ask you this though.

478
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 7: If I said, Clay, in the next week, you got

479
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 7: to kill a deer, I said, you can take this

480
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 7: trail camera or you can take this bag of corn.

481
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: You picked the trail camera.

482
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great that's a great comment that

483
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: what would you? I would pick the corn too, But

484
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that in the broader.

485
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: In the bread, that's can we change the question? That's

486
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: a great You have a year to kill a big

487
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: smoker buck, trail camera, corn, trail camera?

488
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, I have to think about it.

489
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: All.

490
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying, that's a great comment. I'm not saying what

491
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: you're saying is true. But I'm just saying I kill

492
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff because of trail cameras. It encourages

493
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: me beyond like I work harder because of trail cameras.

494
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like there's intangible factors like I got a

495
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: picture of a of a I got a picture of

496
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: I don't even want to say what kind of animal

497
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 2: it was on my trail camera yesterday on my cell phone.

498
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here in Montana and I'm pumped, and I'm

499
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: thinking about what I'm going to do this fall. But

500
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: I'm doing stuff I would not be doing.

501
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: Big old coon, Hey man, I could have caught it.

502
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: I could have caught a raccoon off trail camera, but

503
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: shows not to caught one. Oh every night he crosses

504
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: on this beaver. Damn easy pickings. Mm hmm. But I

505
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: let him walk. That's that's fair. Hey Tony, let me

506
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: say this. Let me what response to you.

507
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: If you're out west, I would totally take Like if

508
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: you're in the eastern deciduous forest where I live, yeah,

509
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: a bag of corn is going to be.

510
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: But if you were in a place where you weren't

511
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: allowed to use corn.

512
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you're out west, like the GPS

513
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: on your phone is taking people into places they would

514
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: never have the courage to go or the guts to

515
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: go or know was there. I mean, just the point

516
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: is is that there's a lot of stuff going on.

517
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: It's not always Apple styles. Dude, I totally agree with you.

518
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 7: I honestly think one of the biggest advantages and one

519
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 7: of the biggest problems we have now is it's so

520
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 7: easy for you to pull up your phone in scout

521
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 7: a spot. I mean, you can find public land anywhere

522
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 7: private landowners, and I love it. But it's just opened

523
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 7: up this world to everyone that you know, twenty years

524
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 7: ago just wasn't there, and that I think that's a

525
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 7: at least as big of a game changer as the

526
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 7: proliferation of trail cameras.

527
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's possible to have both because even like

528
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: I've always loved alcohol, to drink too much alcohol me too,

529
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: And when I drank too much alcohol, I was like,

530
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: you know what, they should probably never have a repealed prohibition.

531
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: Even when I was having a drink, I would think

532
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: that it's like you know who you know, Like, I

533
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: love it, but I mean, really, is it really doing

534
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: anybody he favors.

535
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're going to see the same thing though. I

536
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 8: mean they outloud alcohol, people kept drinking it. There's people

537
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 8: gonna be putting game cameras in cabs.

538
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Well, no, because what I just heard, you weren't hearing.

539
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: We talked about this. But I got a friend in

540
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: Arizona who I thought would have been livid about Arizona's

541
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: trail camp ban because he is not only is he

542
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: a guide, but he does a lot of scouting, okay,

543
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: and he'll so he's got different guiding clients, and he'll

544
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: go find stuff. Yep, He'll find something that catches his

545
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: interest and he can then go, you know, he can

546
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: go to an outfitter and get a client and be like, listen,

547
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 1: look what I got from the suite whatever. I was like.

548
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: And I said to him, and I didn't try to

549
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: tee it up. I already discussed this once on the show,

550
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: but I didn't try to tee it up too much.

551
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, what did you think about the

552
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: trail camp thing?

553
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 9: Uh?

554
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: He was all for it. And he said, what's interesting

555
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: now is says you can't find a trail cam. He's

556
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: talking about public opinion and where it really came from

557
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: and where the public sort of sat on the trail

558
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: cam issue.

559
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 10: Right.

560
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: He said, I haven't run into a trail cam since,

561
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: and that wasn't that long ago. I haven't run into

562
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: a trail cam still hanging in the woods that doesn't

563
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: have a bullet hole through it. Really, I've heard that

564
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: now you just shoot him when you see him, because

565
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to be there. They'll just start hiding

566
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: them better. Yeah, but I mean, if you hide it

567
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: too good, it's not gonna get any pictures. I can't

568
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: find it.

569
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: You're not an undercovered well lef agent.

570
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: Have you had, Tony? Have you had it? Just before?

571
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: We need to get off this topic. I know, but

572
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: have you had any on public land that your experience

573
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: has been negatively affected by seeing too many other people's

574
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: trail cameras in the woods?

575
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 7: No, in fact, and I don't. I don't run trail

576
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 7: cameras on public land ever. It's just not part of

577
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 7: my strategy. And when I drew Iowa last time and

578
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 7: I was down there, I was walking past trail cameras.

579
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 7: I was dragging deer past trail cameras. They were all

580
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 7: over and I just look at it and I go.

581
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 7: One of the things that trail cameras do is they

582
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 7: convince people to not hunt you put them out and

583
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 7: you're like, oh, these bucks aren't consistent, or they're only

584
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 7: at night or whatever. So I actually I'm like whatever,

585
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 7: Like they're out there. And if you would have looked

586
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 7: at the prevalence of trail cameras where I was hunting,

587
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 7: you'd be like, this place is getting pounded. But I

588
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 7: had so much of that public to myself. You know,

589
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 7: part of it was October. It wasn't the right.

590
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: Forgetting pictures of Tony Peterson all the time. I just.

591
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 7: I just walked by a wave and so no, but

592
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 7: I don't. I'm just kind of used to it, you know.

593
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just like a part of the thing,

594
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 7: and it listened it does it piss me off a

595
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 7: little bit kind of you know, like I'm getting old

596
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 7: enough where that kind of stuff makes me a little grumpy.

597
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 7: And it's the same thing when I walk in and

598
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 7: there's a you know, a ladder stand chained to a

599
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 7: tree on land. You're not supposed to leave a stand

600
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 7: up overnight. But it's just when you hunt public land,

601
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 7: it's just part of the game, man Like, it's just they.

602
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: If you have a trail camera, picture come part of

603
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: the game.

604
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: But it's been for a while, you know.

605
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: If you have a trail camera picture if Tony Peterson

606
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: on your phone, and you'll send it somehow to me,

607
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: I will send you a bargery's hat.

608
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: Now you know, uh, you remember earlier I mentioned I

609
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: have a trail came at my fish shack. There's like

610
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: a really good game trail behind my fishack. Well, one

611
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: of my friends went back there and she peeded and

612
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: then she saw that the camera pulled my cards. Has

613
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: to give you my card back. So here's a person

614
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: where uh, here's a person that you know, not on

615
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: private land, but here's a person that really didn't like

616
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: that h feeling.

617
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: I acid beyond trail cameras. I can remember being a

618
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: young guide and thinking hunting public land, guiding public land

619
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: in Colorado and thinking, all, there's just beautiful, serene places,

620
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: and that's what I came to expect. And the first

621
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: time you go into a meadow and you think, oh,

622
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: no one else is on this meadow forever. And then

623
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: you search around in some upper corner a little farther

624
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: than you've ever been, and all of a sudden you

625
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: find the leftover milk crate or the metal folding chair

626
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: or whatever, just some sign that somebody else was there

627
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: before you once and it just takes away from the experience.

628
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: You know.

629
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: I like the woods just looking like no one's been there,

630
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a boot track here and there.

631
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Can I tell you about my sweet trail cam setup

632
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: that I have Right now, dude, there's this biggest picture,

633
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: the biggest nastiest scree slide you ever seen in your life.

634
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean from the bottom of the mountain to the

635
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: top of the mountain scree slide. H But then imagine

636
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: that there's like a finger timber that noses out into

637
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: that scree slide, and a finger timber on the other

638
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: side that noses out into that screen slide, and a

639
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: little band of brush that connects those fingers of timber.

640
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: And when you go up there, it looks like it

641
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: looks like someone that over the years, someone is actually

642
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: coming and smoothed the rocks out. M M. I got

643
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: one hanging right there. What kind what kind of animals

644
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: are you getting? Whatever? I don't know. Here's the deal.

645
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: It's a see now I'm retelling my story. Two years ago,

646
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: I went up there and I'm not gonna It's like

647
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: a place I'm gonna go. And I was like, I'm

648
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: gonna come in a year and get my camera. So

649
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: I went and hung it up there, talked all year

650
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: to my wife about my camera and fretting about it

651
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: and how I was gonna get up there, and thwarting

652
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna make her come with me, and my

653
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: plans got ruined. And eventually I go up there and

654
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: I had forgotten to turn some bitch on, so I

655
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: set it back, and it'll have been sitting there a

656
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: year this.

657
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: June on this time, we think, and I got wolverines bulbs.

658
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: Who knows what's waiting on that thing? So I'm talking

659
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: out of both sides of my mouth here.

660
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: Tony Peterson might be on there.

661
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: Dragon White, I think that's highly unlikely. Okay, moving on.

662
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: This is the most amazing news story I have a

663
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: come across. Where was this supported? Oh? The Guardian? You know,

664
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: the Guardian always has a lot of We're I was

665
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: getting scooped by the Guardian, which is a British rag.

666
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: The Guardian is. So here's the deal. In northern Japan.

667
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: Japan has prefectures, which I'm not sure what that means.

668
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you what's going on there. They

669
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: have a bear meat vending machine. Which has proven to

670
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: be a surprising success. The machine in the northern prefecture

671
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: of Akita sells locally killed wild bear. Now there's a

672
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: hunt club there in this remote area. Hey, what'd you say?

673
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: It comes out to a pound.

674
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 6: One hundred and fifteen bucks one hundred.

675
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: And fifteen dollars per pound of bear meat. Not a

676
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: bad deal. That puts a bear. That values a bear

677
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: at about a per pound. I killed a big bear

678
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: one time and got the bat. I had the backstraps,

679
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I had the backstraps, and eighty three pounds a ground

680
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: off it.

681
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 6: I'd say that's eight thousand dollars bear.

682
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, So what they're selling at they're selling at two

683
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 11: thousand and two hundred two thy two hundred yen for

684
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 11: two hundred and fifty.

685
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: Grams of bear meat, which comes out to tummygin iink

686
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: one fifteen one fifteen pound. There's a nearby railway station

687
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: in the town of Semboku, Okay. This guy sets up

688
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: a bear meat vening machine, and now he's got people,

689
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: he's got requests for mail order deliveries into Tokyo. There's

690
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: a there's a hunt club nearby, and the hunt club

691
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: got permitted in the mountains the hunt club got permitted

692
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: to kill a certain number of bears during the hunting season,

693
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: and they set up a vending machine to sell it.

694
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: A customer said, bear meat tastes no one of their

695
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: spokesmen bear meat tastes clean and doesn't get tough. This

696
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: is not a total departure because in my reading here,

697
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: venning machines are ubiquitous in Japan, selling odd things you

698
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: can get like hot and cold drinks, edible insects, hamburgers.

699
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: But they now have one selling meat. You can also

700
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: in Japan by whale meet in a vending machine. One

701
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: hundred locations around the country in the next five years

702
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: will be selling whale meat and vending machines.

703
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: Incredible, it would happen in our country if it was legal.

704
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, I think so. So the number here's the

705
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: thing you don't really think about with Japan. The number

706
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: of bear encounters has risen in recent years from an

707
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: estimated four thy eight hundred like human bear conflict encounters

708
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, to more than twenty thousand

709
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: and twoenty twenty two people killed in one hundred and

710
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: fifty eight injured from bears in Japan. H A shortage

711
00:37:46,080 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: of acorns. Yeah, shortage of acorns. This is a forty

712
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: percent of the encounters in twenty twenty occurred in residential,

713
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: in urban areas, or on agricultural land. Experts say a

714
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: shortage of acorns and their natural habitat means that animals

715
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: are more likely to come into contact with humans as

716
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: they foraged for food.

717
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: Acorn in Japanese is donguri in Japan.

718
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 8: I wonder how the hill folks say, here's the earth

719
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 8: that you might not think of when you think of Japan.

720
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: A eight point eight five foot brown bear three hundred kilograms?

721
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: What's that?

722
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 6: Put them at four fifty.

723
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: Four hundred and fifty pounds? Brown bear killed good size bears.

724
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Listen to this. Oh sorry, this is going back to

725
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen, but it's still warrants discussion.

726
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: It appears there's two species of bears pan a brown

727
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: bear and a Asiatic black bear like they call They

728
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: called a Japanese black bear ursus the bitanus jeppanikus.

729
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: We used to do a trivia question at our live

730
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: shows where you had to name I can't remember how

731
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: many of the world's bears you had to name. Some

732
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: of the bears you know what used to stump the

733
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: shit out of people at the trivia show the live

734
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: show is name five of the was it six of

735
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: the seven or five of the six cats? Wild cats

736
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: natives of North America and uh, people had a very

737
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: hard time doing that. Or we'd say name the name

738
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: like six members of the weasel family, which you think

739
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: would be a slam dunk, but that stump people.

740
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: Now that would get made the weasels cause.

741
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: They don't know what to put in, like skunks and

742
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: badgers and stuff. So continuing on, check this out. In

743
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen, a brown my own bear killed seven people

744
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: and injured three others on the northern main island of Hokkaidu.

745
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: A hunter tracked down and killed it. Can you imagine

746
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: that would be quite a news story here in the

747
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: US today? Was it like over a period of time

748
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: or does it say? Doesn't say? Isn't think about that?

749
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: I know a story and I don't know it well,

750
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: so I'm going to tell it very generically.

751
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 10: But in.

752
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: The last forty years, there was a guy, an American

753
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: guy that took hounds to Japan and hunted for an

754
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: extended period of time in Japan with American.

755
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Bear dogs bear. Yeah, did he do good?

756
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: I think so. I think it was a very specific

757
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: reason that he was there. It was they were having

758
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: some trouble and like they recruited guy to come, and

759
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: he went and took his as I recall, he took

760
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: his plot hounds and went to Japan and hunt for

761
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 2: a short period of time. I don't remember the context

762
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: of the story, but interesting.

763
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 3: Likely story a plot guy would tell detail.

764
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: I remember this is this is interesting. If you listen

765
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: to the show. You heard recently me talking about a

766
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: guy ran into at the Cabo airport who had a

767
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: fanny pack. You know Rogan Wars fanny packs. I sent

768
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: this to him as well, has a fanny pack made

769
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: to look like a human gut overhanging your belt. So

770
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: I see him in the airport, slender Feller, and I'm like,

771
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: what's going on? As I'm standing next to him, and

772
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: it takes me a while to realize that he has

773
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: a fanny pack made it look like a large overhanging

774
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: gut with a knave in the hair and everything hanging

775
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: out of his T shirt. I talked about this on

776
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: the podcast and we got this note. I was listening

777
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: to Monday's podcast and double over laughing at Steve's description

778
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: of his observation of me with my belly fanny pack

779
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: at the Cabo Airport. I'm a big fan and immediately

780
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: recognized him at the airport. I feel it's rude to

781
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: approach famous people, especially with their families in public, so

782
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: I didn't approach him. But I've been telling everyone that

783
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: I saw Renelle at the Cabo airport to hear that

784
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: he has been telling people about the fella he saw

785
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: with a ridiculous novelty pack to describe the other side

786
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: of the interaction that wasn't as hilarious. My wife bought

787
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: me the fanny pack as a gag gift for Christmas.

788
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I've paid her back by wearing it anytime. I pay

789
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: her back by wearing it anytime I travel her.

790
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: What are the chances that Steve that this guy would

791
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: have known Steve manny pack.

792
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: In the longgoing debate about golf courses that we've had,

793
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: and this whole wrinkle has emerged about how golf courses

794
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: make great a golf course person pointed out, and I

795
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: gave him a lot of credit for pointing this out.

796
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: He pointed out, like they live in a suburban area

797
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: and they have a golf course. It's got woods, it's

798
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: got I don't know how many hundreds of white oaks

799
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: that he's counted up, water holes, all the wildlife that

800
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: lives there. And he's like, tread lightly when you're hacking

801
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: on golf courses because in a lot of places, that

802
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: is the area's wildlife habitat. That's it. And he was

803
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: talking about his particular golf course. They do a lot

804
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: to foster to create wildlife habitat, and even how some

805
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: golf courses are regured with register with the Audubon Society,

806
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: and they do things to improve bird nesting habitat on

807
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: golf courses. And I'm only mentioning this guy's note because

808
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 1: he goes on to say, here's why. When he's shut,

809
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: he's been shopping for land. And he said he's very

810
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: interested in buying a golf course. She says, if I

811
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: want to put in food plots, they already have clear

812
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: areas with irrigation, they already have ponds. Since better drier

813
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: land is often put to higher use, there is often

814
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: some wetland area the course is built around where you

815
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: can duck hunt. They have a network of paved cart

816
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: paths in place to it for easy transport of gear

817
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: and your kill. There's a clubhouse, a kitchen facility in

818
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: a bar. But the reason I mentioned this whole thing

819
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: is me and Yanni's friend did this. He bought an

820
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: undid a golf course. I mean undid it.

821
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: You couldn't golf course. Just take the flags out of

822
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: the hole.

823
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: No, dude, one.

824
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: The club house, he removed it. It's gone.

825
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't want to hunting camp. He took some

826
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: of the fairways and planted him in oak I mean

827
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: he did.

828
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: The golf course. Yeah, if you drive by there now,

829
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: there's no way you would ever know that it used

830
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: to be a golf course. And it wasn't that long ago.

831
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: The first time we went, you could tell it was

832
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 3: a golf course.

833
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: He undid it as a wildlife property. That's pretty cool now.

834
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: The place that I grew up, so my dad always

835
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: wanted us to play golf and I never did. And

836
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: the old golf course that we used to play on

837
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: when we were kids in my hometown in Arkansas is

838
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: now no more. And it's like a it looks like

839
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: a cutover, it's like grown up at least the last

840
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: time I saw it.

841
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: Refugia Wildlife. Yeah, and it's true. We have a local

842
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: golf courses plaster through the wildlife. So I get it.

843
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: This means you know, I mean, this is like listen

844
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: golfers whose golf courses not the same thing. A little

845
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: update here. A long time ago. You know what's funny.

846
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: We were recording so we had the Atlanta Braves player

847
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: Austin Riley on the podcast, and we were recording the

848
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: podcast in Atlanta, and at as we were recording it,

849
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: the Walleye cheating scandal in Ohio was erupting. That's how

850
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: I can place that. On that episode, I did a

851
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: very spirited defense of the Montana woman who mistook a

852
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: husky puppy for a wolf and rugged it out and

853
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: put it on social media. And you can imagine how

854
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: that went over in my spirited a defense of her.

855
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: My defense was this, it's not as bad as it seems.

856
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: So it's a tepid I call it spirit, a tepid

857
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: defense being not as bad as it seems, right, not

858
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: as bad as it seems. So she just got a

859
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: six month deferred sentence. I can't be this much trouble

860
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: for this. Yeah, I mean neither a six month deferred

861
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: sentence and banned banned from using a hunting rifle for

862
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: six months on the Flathead National Forest. I like how

863
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: specific that is. So for six months no rifle on

864
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: this particular national forest from so they can rest assured

865
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: that no more husky puppies will be killed by her

866
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: for at least six months. That's that's the punishment.

867
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: Sounds like they had to give her a punishment, and

868
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: so this is what they came up with.

869
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: What they came up with, that's one heat cycle oh

870
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: for oh a conservation. So she was charged. She had

871
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor offense for animal cruelty. M hmm. Does anybody

872
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: have anything wildly different than how I view it? I mean,

873
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: I can.

874
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: It's a mistake that could be made. I mean, if

875
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: you're in wild country, you could legally shoot a wolf.

876
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: You're three hundred and I don't know the details of

877
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: the story. It's reasonable that someone could shoot a husky

878
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: and think that it was a wolf. And if you

879
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: and if you were not an experienced person in the

880
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: in the woods, you'd never seen a wolf up close before,

881
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: I could understand it's reasonable to think that someone would

882
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: think a husky puppy or a husky was a young wolf.

883
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 2: It seems reasonable to me, even after skinning it out.

884
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: I mean, that's as far as morgument goes. Like the

885
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 2: corner trail everything.

886
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have a cow, and it was like a

887
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: guy had dumped a guy had I don't know why

888
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: this sum bitch isn't that the guy had taken a

889
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: whole litter of dogs and dumped them up in the mountains.

890
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: Who's that? Maybe he is in trouble.

891
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: He must be if he's been caught.

892
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: They just had to leave a They just had to

893
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: leave a paper trail. It sounds like I mean, they

894
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: had to they had to do something. They had to

895
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 1: do something. Yeah.

896
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: Uh, that's what the game warden said to me at

897
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: the time that my legally caught and legally kept wild

898
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: buck got loose and went and roughed up my neighbor.

899
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: That's what the game warden said to me everybody about.

900
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: He said, you're gonna have to We're gonna have to

901
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: leave a paper trail legally. I had a deer, a

902
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: wild caught deer in a that we kept. We raised

903
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: several of them, and one day.

904
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: My already you were a captive deer breeder. I was

905
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: for a time my kids were young.

906
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: I set out to raised deer and a long story short,

907
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: a pit bulldog ended up in the pen with my

908
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: forked horn buck and they were going round and round.

909
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean, the deer was going to get killed. The

910
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: dog got in there. It wasn't my dog. And so

911
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 2: the only way to remedy the situation was to open

912
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: the door. They're running circles, and when that buck came around,

913
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: he just went straight out the gate, and I shut

914
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: the gate and captured the dog, you know, called the

915
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: called the dog owner, and the buck was gone for.

916
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: He was just gone, okay.

917
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: And he had a collar on and what kind of

918
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: collar like a dog collar? Get a dog collar on

919
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: a It was a really dramatic scenario where I hear

920
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: a dog bark and I look out and there's just

921
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: this like chaos, and you have a collar on your deer. Uh,

922
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: just so somebody wouldn't sneak up in my yard and

923
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: shoot it thinking that it was a deer. Just when

924
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: you when you have when you have deer steve, you

925
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: put collars on them. I want to this is no

926
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: longer legal in Arkansas.

927
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: But for years you could.

928
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: You could keep up to six handcuught deer from the wild,

929
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: and I wanted my kids to.

930
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: Catch them by hand. I mean, okay, but okay, if

931
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: I gave you the rest of today.

932
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: Camera and all the cameras you want, I'll tell you

933
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: stories about hand catching deer. An catch them as you

934
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: got to catch them. Man, there was a period of

935
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 2: time when my kids were young, about four or five

936
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: years that I became an expert at when fawns were

937
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: born in the Ozarks.

938
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: I would go hunting for him. No, I've come across

939
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: some hunting morels because you're looking right, Yeah, so I

940
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: don't do that anymore. So you can.

941
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: You know it's not legal anymore.

942
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: But you gets out. Okay, but I want the whole

943
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: damn story. But I do want to catch Like walk

944
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: me through catching one.

945
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you how I caught one. I was

946
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: driving down the road, and boy, if I want to

947
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: say it was May eighth, I would have remembered the

948
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: date ten years ago.

949
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: And there's a dose stand in the road with two

950
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: little fawns, and.

951
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: The dough jumps off and the fawn beds down in

952
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: the ditch. I literally got out of the truck, picked

953
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: it up, put it in the back seat, and we

954
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: raised it bottle fed up.

955
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: And the other one my father in law picked up

956
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: for me.

957
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: I used to go out when when guys were cutting

958
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: hay and walk hayfields, and when they're about four or

959
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: five days old, you can't hardly catch them, but when

960
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: they're young, you can catch them.

961
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: And uh so, yeah, we raised three deer.

962
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 6: Oh.

963
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I could bore you with stories, and I've

964
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: told some of them on the media podcast, but.

965
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm afraid people have heard them now.

966
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: I raised a dough that we called Lulu that lived

967
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: in our house like a like a like a pet

968
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: dog for a long period of time. And eventually, again,

969
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: you can't do this anymore, so this is like not okay,

970
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 2: but this at the time it was and we ended

971
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: up kind of releasing her back into the wild, and

972
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: she raised at least three pairs of fawns that she

973
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: she became wild. She raised three pairs of fawns that

974
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 2: she would bring back to our house during periods of stress. Really,

975
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: when it got real hot in August, we'd be eating

976
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: dinner and we'd look out the window and there'd be

977
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: Lulu standing there about five feet from the window looking

978
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: at us. Huh ultra wild like you go out and

979
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: she'd run off, But then she'd stop and she was

980
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: looking for a handout.

981
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: One time, tell about your daddy. Yeah.

982
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: One time I was bow hunting a mile from my

983
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: house and Lulu walked underneath me with her fawn. One time,

984
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: another buck that I had, great that we let this.

985
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: I've told this story before. Stop me someone.

986
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: One time I raised the buck and I let him

987
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: run wild, or just let him run loose around my house.

988
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: The older he guy, he was a button butt. No no, no,

989
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: let him run just like like loose out in the

990
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: yard like a dog.

991
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: And when he.

992
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: Became a when he became a button buck, he would run.

993
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: He he just started to become more.

994
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: He would just be gone for a little while and

995
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: just disappear for like hours at a time. I go

996
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: muzzle oder hunting across the road from my house. I'm

997
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: sitting on the ground. The wind that's hitting me in

998
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 2: the back of the neck, blowing down into this little drawl.

999
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: I see two deer coming and it's a antlerless deer

1000
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: and a small buck and they're coming, and I go,

1001
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: here we go. There's a deer and the wind's blowing

1002
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: straight down the hill, and I see that they're going

1003
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: to cross my wind. And when the antler lists deer

1004
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: crosses my wind, it's my deer. He's piled up. He's

1005
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: piled up with another buck. And when he hits my wind,

1006
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: he turns directly towards me, starts grunting, and walks up

1007
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: to me and starts licking my ear while I'm in

1008
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: a I've got the gun up on my knee, and

1009
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: I don't move a lick. I don't move a lick.

1010
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 2: And the deer is licking my ear. And the wild buck,

1011
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: which is like a little forkid horn, catches my wind

1012
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: and just flips out, and it's just like.

1013
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

1014
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: Man? And the buck took about four or five steps

1015
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: towards me, and then the buck spooks and then me

1016
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: and and uh uh, shoot, what do we call him?

1017
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: We had? That was road runner?

1018
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 2: Me and road Runner walked back to the house.

1019
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: Story, you've got like that?

1020
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: The deer, I mean, I knew what it would do

1021
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: when it caught my wind. The deer walked up, but

1022
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: I just never moved and I got we've got videos

1023
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 2: of these deer.

1024
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: But I wonder what year buck would have thought about

1025
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: what your deer would have thought if you'd shot that deer.

1026
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: Probably thought nothing of it.

1027
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: Man, it just doesn't have the frontal cortex to be

1028
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: able to process abstract thought like that dude just shot

1029
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: by buddy.

1030
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: Imagine somebody stand watching you walked back.

1031
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 7: That's a jen a trail camera.

1032
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: What if I have been on your trail camera walking? No,

1033
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: so to finish the stop me someone?

1034
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 3: Uh no, we want to hear about that. I said,

1035
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 3: the paper.

1036
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: Trail, I said.

1037
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: The game warden said to me, we got to have

1038
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: a paper trail for this, mister nukelem uh was somebody

1039
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: my my buck gets loose because he's been I saved

1040
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: his life by opening the door and shutting it on

1041
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: this pit bull. The buck is gone for like a week.

1042
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: I told this story on the Badory podcast. One day,

1043
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 2: I come home, Misty comes home and she had seen

1044
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: blue lights.

1045
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: Up at the front of the road again, and and

1046
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: she comes.

1047
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: She comes home and the phone rings and it's our neighbor.

1048
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: And he goes, Clay, they're after you, man, They're after you.

1049
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: He said.

1050
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: The game Warden came by here and said, does anybody

1051
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:45,479
Speaker 2: on this road own a deer? And my neighbor goes, no,

1052
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: I've never heard.

1053
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: Of anybody having a deer around here. And he picks

1054
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: up the phone.

1055
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: He goes Clay there after you, and he says, he says,

1056
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: your buck is hurt. And he names the person, this

1057
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: elderly gentleman on the road, and I go, oh no,

1058
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just like, think my life's over. I

1059
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: get in the truck, drive down there to where the

1060
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: game boardings at and I'm like, this is my deer?

1061
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: What's going on? And he didn't hurt the neighbor.

1062
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: But he walked up to my neighbor while he was

1063
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: doing chores outside and just started pushing around.

1064
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: On him, just just messing with him.

1065
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: And the neighbor obviously is like what is going on?

1066
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: They call the game and fish game and fish comes out.

1067
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: I go turn myself in. You know, I'm like, kids,

1068
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: is great being your dad. I'll write you from prison

1069
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: and the game. I tell the game ord exactly what happens.

1070
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: You know, this deer I had it had to let

1071
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: it go the dog and and he he gave me

1072
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: a warning. Citation for releasing captive wildlife. No jail time,

1073
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: no jail time.

1074
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: That's the story. You can't own a deer for six months.

1075
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: So the best, the best photo of the nukes that

1076
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: we have is my son Epherd when he was three,

1077
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: and he's sitting on a rock wall, ball in his

1078
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: eyes out. It's like a cell phone photo. He could tell.

1079
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: He's just like he's balling his eyes out and there's

1080
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: a half eaten apple on the wall beside him with

1081
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: a deer eating it. And I came outside because Shepherd

1082
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: was crying, and I said, what's wrong, Son? And he said,

1083
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: road rudder took my apple. That deer had walked out

1084
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 2: and stole his apple. It's the best picture in the world.

1085
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: It's Shepherd. Yeah, guy wrote in this is interesting, this

1086
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: is interesting deal. He's first off, he says he's dusting

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Speaker 1: off everything he knows about proper grammar so that his

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00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: email doesn't wind up on a T shirt of ours,

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Speaker 1: which the thing we've had appen for exemplary emails. He's

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Speaker 1: he's gotten tuned down to a program in the Netherlands

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Speaker 1: called visder bell put that make that sound Dutch, but

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Speaker 1: here Dutch vist bell. It means fish door bell. So

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Speaker 1: they have a river. They have a nagamous fish in

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Speaker 1: the Netherlands, and they have a river with a lock

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Speaker 1: system on it. And they've found that anagamous fish are

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Speaker 1: susceptible to predation when they get up to the lock

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Speaker 1: system and they're stuck there waiting to get through. So

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Speaker 1: they have underwater cameras and volunteers who watch to see

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Speaker 1: when fish show up. And basically they press a doorbell

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Speaker 1: for the fish. They press a doorbell and then the

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Speaker 1: guy that and when a fish shows up needs to

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Speaker 1: get through the under the volunteer hits a doorbell, I think,

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01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: ding the lock. The guy that controls the lock then

1104
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Speaker 1: the cracks it open so the fish can slip through.

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Speaker 1: You can watch it all on live stream. That's cool.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Here's a piece from the news from the Northern Ontania.

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Speaker 1: What is this from Northern Ontario CETV news. A Northern

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Speaker 1: Ontario man has been banned from license hunting and fined

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. So this is whatever this is is

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Speaker 1: much worse than shooting a husky. After pleading guilty to

1112
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Speaker 1: having more than six times the legal limit of grouse

1113
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Speaker 1: and obstructing conservation officers. This guy had ninety one grouse,

1114
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: which is seventy six over the legal limit of fifteen.

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01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: This is in Ontario. He didn't want to let the

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01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: game wardens into his house. When they finally got in,

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01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: they found two large boxes of frozen grouse hidden in

1118
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Speaker 1: the shower. So there's a heavy duty fine, way worse

1119
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Speaker 1: shooting puppies. This is one that blows your mind. Two

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Speaker 1: guys from Colorado went to the Maynistee River in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: So they come allway from Colorado to the Manistee River

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Speaker 1: and they get caught with four hundred and sixty three

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Speaker 1: pounds of illegally caught salmon. You know what they're fine

1124
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: is this is just like, it's just interesting how this

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01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: stuff plays out. So these guys have hundreds of illegally

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01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: caught salmon thousand bucks apiece.

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Speaker 3: Dany Wow, not per fish, per person.

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Speaker 1: Per yeah, a thousand bucks. No, not a thousand bucks

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01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: per fish. Oh so this guy shoes too many grouse?

1130
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Speaker 1: Five thousand What else happened to him?

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: He lost his hunting privileges for life. They don't mess

1132
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Speaker 3: around in Canada.

1133
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: These dudes kill. It's a big there's a picture of

1134
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Speaker 1: the confiscated fish. Just a big pickup truck load of

1135
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: king salmon heads and bags of flays uh thousand bucks apiece.

1136
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Speaker 1: Great inconsistent.

1137
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: I would have at least taken away their fishing privileges

1138
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: on the Mannassee River for six months, not the minimal clay.

1139
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: I like those deer stories. I think you should do

1140
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: a whole podcast about deer stories on bear Grease. That's

1141
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 3: a good deer stories, Yeah, because I bet you could

1142
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 3: interview some other fellas down there in Arkansas who also

1143
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: have crazy pet deer stories, because any there's nobody has

1144
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: bad pet wild animal stories like Steve's Coo stories. Was

1145
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 3: it the fact that it became illegal or did you

1146
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: just grow out of it that made you quit?

1147
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: So basically, my my buck, my buck got dangerous.

1148
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: You know, the bucks get dangerous. Sure, and so that

1149
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: spooked me a little bit.

1150
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: As the kids got older, and when that dog got

1151
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: in there, Like there was just complications with having a deer,

1152
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: and there're a lot of work, I mean an incredible

1153
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: amount of work to bottle feed, you know, a very

1154
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: young deer.

1155
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's like having a newborn baby.

1156
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: You're waking up for multiple weeks, You're waking up every

1157
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: four hours to go bottle feed that thing. So it's

1158
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: a legitimate tax on your life to raise one successfully.

1159
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: And I think we just kind of had our feel

1160
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: of it, and you know, what were you.

1161
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: Hoping to get out of it? Do you'd raise a

1162
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: giant buck and then pretend you got it?

1163
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 6: No.

1164
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: I remember, Steve, when I was a young kid, they

1165
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: took us on a field trip to the Walston Farm

1166
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: way out in the Washington Mountains in Arkansas, and everybody

1167
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: where I'm from will know who I'm talking about. They

1168
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: had this like just a neat family in this neat farm,

1169
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: and I remember they had they had deer there just

1170
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: walking around and I was just a little kid that

1171
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: had my dad was a hunter, and I was intrigued

1172
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: by it, and I was just like, this is living.

1173
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: That's just kind of what I thought to have a

1174
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: pet deer.

1175
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Speaker 2: And so I always wanted that for my kids, and

1176
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: so I just set out to We're gonna We're gonna

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01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: be people that have pet deer and or raise our

1178
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: kids having pet deer.

1179
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Speaker 1: Do you know during the American Revolution, there was an

1180
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: American there was an American officer who had a pet

1181
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: buck and one day he leaned over to put on

1182
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: his pants and the pet buck charged him and ran

1183
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: a time through his artery. Really is for moral artery,

1184
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: and the guy bled out right on the floor. An

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Speaker 1: officer in the an American officer in the Revolution.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's not surprising. They're real dangerous and during the run,

1187
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Speaker 2: even when they're young.

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01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: So if it's illegal to release captive wildlife, how did

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Speaker 3: you get rid of the pet deer you had?

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Speaker 1: Well, you're honest, I don't really want to talk about that.

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01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 3: No, I had to.

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01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 2: It was it probably was illegal. I wouldn't have even

1193
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Speaker 2: that wouldn't have even entered my mind at the time.

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Speaker 3: But you just release them.

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Speaker 1: I did. I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, no, I had to put down the buck,

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01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: the buck that roughed up mister Mitchell. I had to

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: put it down, but I had it processed, gave it away. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because it's hard to eat your.

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Speaker 1: And and I mean the story of it coming back

1201
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: was a week.

1202
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: So the game warden gives me the give gives me

1203
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: the deal, and he says, I say, well, what do

1204
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 2: you want me to do? And he says, if you

1205
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: see the buck, put it down? And I said, yes, sir.

1206
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: And so like a week later, I'm sitting in my

1207
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: office and it's like late October, and I have a

1208
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: big window right by my computer. Brit seen it, and

1209
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: I just look up and there's road runner like three

1210
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: feet from him, and and I, yeah, I could go

1211
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: into the details of.

1212
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, just going. I mean, if you want the whole thing,

1213
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this.

1214
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: I walk outside and he's been running wild now for

1215
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: like ten days, and he was he was invigorated by

1216
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: his by his experience.

1217
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: And when I walked out, he immediately.

1218
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 2: Started roughing me up like he was I'm not going

1219
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 2: to say he was attacking me, but he straight up

1220
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 2: just came and started pushing me around, pushing on. Jason

1221
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: Phelps here, just pushing me around. And I have a

1222
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: twenty two mark t Ruger pistol on mind.

1223
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: So he was trying to rough you up with his antlers? Yeah,

1224
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: oh yeah? What kind of rack was he throwing out there?

1225
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: He had a little forking horn rack.

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01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 2: I still got it, uh uh. And he starts pushing

1227
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: me around, and the house is here, and my office

1228
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: is here, and I'm and no one's home, and you

1229
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: got a pistol and I've got a pistol, and I'm

1230
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: trying to figure out a way to safe way to

1231
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: shoot this deer in the head to put it down.

1232
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 2: And I mean, it's pushing me and I'm like just

1233
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: dancing around, dancing around, and it's more intense.

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01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: So if I never had I've never done this. When

1235
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: you think of his power, He's a year and a

1236
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: half old at this time, yep, could you is it

1237
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: if you grabbed him by the antlers and you pushed

1238
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: him out and held him at arm's length? Is he

1239
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: able to overcome that?

1240
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: The more aggressive you get, the more aggressive he gets.

1241
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: And I would have said it a year and a

1242
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 2: half old and me weighing, you know, like one seventy

1243
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 2: a man of average strength, it would have been all

1244
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 2: I could do to if he had full throttle come out.

1245
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it would have been all I could have

1246
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 2: done to keep him off me.

1247
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: But picture that, you picture like I'm saying, You've got

1248
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: you got his antler's wonder in each hand. Yeah, and

1249
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: you stiff arm him, right? Can he overcome that resistance?

1250
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 2: He wouldn't overcome it by pushing your arms in, but

1251
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: he would flop and flip and get spun around. And

1252
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: be on your back before you know, seriously, really, yeah,

1253
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: they're a handful.

1254
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: So the more they're strong, the more we.

1255
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 2: Tussled, the more intense he gets. And and and he

1256
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: realizes I'm fighting him back. He's just sparring me.

1257
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: Like at some point he's got to register the pistol. Well,

1258
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: he try to wrestle away from you.

1259
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 3: We already went through that part about the frontal quartex.

1260
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: He's not able to process abstract thought that the deer

1261
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: eventually gets distracted. As deer do, something happens and he

1262
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: I remember, he just threw up his head and looked

1263
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 2: away from me, and and there was a gap between

1264
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: my house and the office, and.

1265
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: I just Joe, Yeah, put him right down.

1266
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,839
Speaker 2: Did you feel terrible? I mean no, I didn't feel terrible.

1267
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 2: It was it was a it was a shame that

1268
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: it had to end. I felt like I was doing

1269
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: my due duty. I mean it's like, if you play

1270
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: in the dirty game, you're gonna have to do dirty stuff.

1271
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: The game warden told me to put him down, So

1272
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: I put him down.

1273
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 3: It's interesting that I've been to the new com You

1274
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 3: guys raised pigs, chicken, slaughter them, eat them.

1275
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you raise.

1276
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 2: It was just it was it was it was a

1277
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: family deal, you know, all all the kids knew this deer.

1278
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 2: And I told him exactly what happened. And uh and

1279
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 2: and it just was not an appealing idea to eat roadrunner,

1280
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, but it was a good meat. So I

1281
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: did salvage the meat.

1282
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:29,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, hmm, that's my story. Okay, how'd you meet Brent Reeves?

1283
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: Now we were fighting.

1284
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 2: Now I've known Brent for it's probably since twenty ten

1285
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: or so. And uh, Brent actually first called me when

1286
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: I was doing I had a regional magazine and a

1287
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: regional hunting organization called Arkansas Black Bear Association, and and

1288
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 2: Brent had reached out to me because Brent was a videographer.

1289
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: He was doing a lot of filming and he was like, hey,

1290
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 2: it's a guy in Arkansas film some bear hunts. I'd

1291
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 2: like to he he he offered to help me. It's like, hey,

1292
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: if you want, if you want somebody to film a

1293
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: bear hunt, I'd be willing to do it. That's that's

1294
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: how we became friends. And at first I brushed him off.

1295
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: It was just like, ah, man, thanks, I appreciate it

1296
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 2: because I was pretty tight with my in my bear

1297
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: hunting world still am and uh, but over you know,

1298
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: Brent can take over at any moment here.

1299
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was the next year you called and said, hey,

1300
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Speaker 8: you're still interested in doing that, and because you were

1301
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 8: doing those fundraisers for the magazine, and then I can

1302
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 8: went over to West Arkansas and filmed the first hunt

1303
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 8: over there, and then it was after that it was

1304
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 8: I'd get a call, hey, man, can you go here? Yep,

1305
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 8: I can do that. And I had had a job

1306
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 8: that where I could pretty well take off when I

1307
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 8: wanted to. And what was that job? This is what

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01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 8: I'm doing now. I worked for the federal government. But

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01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 8: you used to be in law enforce. I'm still in

1310
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 8: I'm still in law enforce. Okay, Yeah, I can't go

1311
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 8: into the details of but it's it's with the Food

1312
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 8: and Drug Administration now. And that's a commissioned position, a

1313
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 8: law enforcement officer position.

1314
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: Got it, so he still has a badging a gun.

1315
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 3: Kids, listen off. If you want to have a lot

1316
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: of free time, good chame job, pretty flexible hours.

1317
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: There's a cryptic position.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's only been for the like the last eight years,

1319
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 8: and there's there's only five of us in the state

1320
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 8: and we're mainly dealing with the tobacco laws. So's that's

1321
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 8: our concentration there. The federal it has a lot a

1322
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 8: lot to do with taxes.

1323
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 2: And you don't have to tell him what you do,

1324
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 2: but tell him what you did before. Like you're well,

1325
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: a little bit about your law enforcement career.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I started out as a deputy sheriff and then

1327
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 8: I went into undercover work. I ran a drug task

1328
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 8: force in southeast Arkansas had we had six counties in

1329
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 8: that district, and I was the agent in charge and

1330
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 8: had a number of undercover agents working as well. It

1331
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 8: was all undercover positions and for that period of time,

1332
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 8: our one hundred percent focus was drug investigations. And this

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01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 8: would have been during the height of methamphetamine movement coming

1334
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 8: into that part of the world, and it was one

1335
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 8: meth lab after another. You know, Arkansas is an agriculturally

1336
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 8: driven state, that part of Arkansas, so a lot of

1337
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 8: the stuff that would have been hard to come by

1338
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 8: in urban places, like an hydrosumonia, which is you know, fertilized,

1339
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 8: it was held in humongous storage tanks on farms in

1340
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 8: remote places and easy to get to. Oh I got it,

1341
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 8: so that and you go to Walmart and get the

1342
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 8: rest of the ingredients you need to get.

1343
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: That was the reason that now when you go into

1344
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: buy science medication you had to sign for it. That

1345
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: was the reason. Right there. We're going to stray from

1346
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: the normal subject matter of the show here for a second.

1347
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: But to what degree do you mean to understand this?

1348
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: To what degree did the opioid crisis eliminate myth from

1349
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: the landscape.

1350
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 8: I don't know that it's eliminated it, but myth was

1351
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 8: still number one when I got out of that. Opioids

1352
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 8: was just coming on. Now by far, opioids are the

1353
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 8: most abused drug you know that you can get from

1354
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 8: the doctor's office, from the drug store.

1355
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: It's more abused than anything. And at that time.

1356
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 8: When I was in everybody made their own methopetomine. I mean,

1357
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 8: if we this group of folks right here, five of

1358
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 8: us would be manufacturing and the rest of them would

1359
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 8: be using it.

1360
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: And out of how many people, how many people we

1361
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: got in here?

1362
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: I know, but I mean, like, where is that.

1363
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: In that part of in that part of Arkansas?

1364
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 2: It was that bad.

1365
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was that bad, And it was so

1366
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: easy to make.

1367
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,520
Speaker 8: I mean you could get the you could get the

1368
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 8: recipes for it right off the internet. There was there

1369
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 8: was no everybody in their brother was cooking and selling men.

1370
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: So they were making it for just personal use.

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 8: Probably no, no, they a lot of them were. You know,

1372
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 8: it's it's it's a real big, out hard algorithm to

1373
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 8: get around. Some folks manufactured it and their deal they're high,

1374
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 8: was making the best having the best methamphetamine in this area,

1375
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 8: and other folks were making it just to get the

1376
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 8: next fixed. But if they made enough, and they were friends,

1377
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 8: Me and Claire friends, okay, man, we got to find

1378
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:56,879
Speaker 8: some somewhere.

1379
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: Well, heck, let's just make some. Then we started making it.

1380
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 8: Well, I've got a cousin that you know, he likes it,

1381
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 8: or he'll his girlfriend does it occasionally, so okay, well

1382
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 8: we'll make them some if they'll go get pills.

1383
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: So that that was.

1384
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 8: People started catching on to it, and then you you

1385
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 8: couldn't go to Walmart and get everything you needed. Then

1386
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 8: you had to go to one Walmart and get one thing.

1387
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 8: Then you had to go to another store and get

1388
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 8: another piece. Because people started putting it together. You know,

1389
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 8: why is this guy coming by all this siinus medicine

1390
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 8: and you know, and solvents, charcoal lighter and all the

1391
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 8: So it's not.

1392
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: Clear why opioids now are better than that.

1393
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: Is it just?

1394
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 9: Is it?

1395
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: I guess there's just trends inside.

1396
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 8: Of well, there are trends, and you know, some of

1397
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 8: them may be contributed to the consistency of what you

1398
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 8: could get, because obviously pharmaceutical grade narcotics are you get

1399
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 8: what you pay for. Every one of them is the same.

1400
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 8: If you're getting meth from me this week and then

1401
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 8: meth from Tony next week, you know, is a big

1402
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 8: difference in what you're and what you're getting. And now

1403
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 8: the there's hardly any manufactured here compared to what it was.

1404
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 8: It all comes out of you know, Mexico and other places.

1405
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: Now, do you think it was effective to go after it? Like,

1406
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: did you meaningfully reduce what was available? I know that, Yeah,

1407
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: you think so. I think so. I think.

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01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 8: You know, we were working at that time anywhere from

1409
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 8: four to five methaphetamine labs a month, on top of

1410
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 8: undercover bides and all the other investigations we were doing

1411
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 8: for one one calendar year. Our for our budget, the

1412
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 8: state funded budget for every one dollar we spent out

1413
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 8: of the whole budget. We took three hundred dollars worth

1414
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 8: street value of drugs off the street. Wow, well it

1415
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 8: was a big deal.

1416
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 2: He's got wild stories about and he may not want

1417
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 2: to share him He probably doesn't. But of some of

1418
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: those busts and all the different stuff they had to do.

1419
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,440
Speaker 1: So would you just hand off when you phone the locations?

1420
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: Would you guys hand it off? And then someone to

1421
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: go in there and tear the place apart? So am

1422
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: I working on the meth labs?

1423
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 10: No?

1424
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 8: We It was me and three other guys from Little

1425
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 8: South of Little Rock that were certified in dismantling methamphetamine labs.

1426
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 8: We went to DEA put on, a big class or

1427
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 8: a school in Quantico, Virginia. So we had to go

1428
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 8: and get certified and all the different hazardous materials you

1429
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,759
Speaker 8: had to deal with, and at that time, most big

1430
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 8: urban fire departments would have a hazardous material disposal team

1431
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,440
Speaker 8: for like working accidents on the highway or train derailments,

1432
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 8: you know, with carrying hazards materials, and.

1433
01:18:59,360 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: We would go.

1434
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 8: We'd have to wear SCBA's you know, suit containment suits, masks,

1435
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 8: whole bottle of wax to go in and run these

1436
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 8: warrants and rate on these raids, make the lab safe

1437
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 8: if it was in operation, because you're dealing with chemicals

1438
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 8: and things, they're all corrosive or explosive. Render it safe,

1439
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 8: and then stand by with it until a hazmat team

1440
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 8: could get there to properly dispose of it.

1441
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:35,520
Speaker 1: So you had to raid it in a hazmat suit. Yeah,

1442
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 1: because you have no idea what you're interrupting or what's

1443
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: going on.

1444
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, you never know. And you go in there and

1445
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 8: there'd be kids playing in the floor. Oh it's yeah.

1446
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. What was was, if you had to generalize, was

1447
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: resistance compared to other illicit activities. Was a resistance to

1448
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 1: arrest higher four math folk. Then people engaged in other

1449
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 1: illegal activities because of the stereotype of them being like

1450
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: kind of crazy and jacked up and ship you know.

1451
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 8: Just depending on the on the individual in what stage

1452
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 8: they were in. Some of them actually thought it was

1453
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 8: it was a relief and they knew they had a problem.

1454
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 8: They could see, you know, they could look at themselves

1455
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 8: every day and think, you know, hey, I lost another

1456
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 8: tooth today at work.

1457
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: And and then.

1458
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 8: It became a release for him now some of them. Yeah,

1459
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 8: there was one guy. I remember the Marshalls had a

1460
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 8: had a warrant for a guy in the southern end

1461
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 8: of our county or one of the counties that was

1462
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 8: in my district. So they called us. We had an

1463
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 8: SRT team and he said, what's that stand for a

1464
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 8: Special Response Team LAS of SWAT team. So and I

1465
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 8: was the commander of that. So it said, we want

1466
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 8: to use you guys going there. We're going after you know,

1467
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 8: I suspect. Ay, he's located in your county, a very

1468
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 8: rural place, he said, we're going to Our plan is

1469
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 8: to hit him. You know, you guys come up with

1470
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 8: a plan and we'll go with you. Once we get

1471
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 8: him located and get him arrested, we'll take him from there,

1472
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 8: and you know, thank you. So we go down there

1473
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 8: and we find the guy, or find where he's living

1474
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 8: during the daytime, and he's working in this garage out there.

1475
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: We get a positive ID on him with a spot

1476
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 1: and scope.

1477
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's him. That's the guy we're looking for. So

1478
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 8: I said, Okay, three o'clock in the morning, we're going

1479
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 8: to hit this Hit this guy, get him arrested and

1480
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 8: get out of there, we'll catch him in the bed

1481
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 8: while he's asleep. So we deplore the team and four

1482
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 8: of the guys go creeping up to this this property

1483
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 8: and we get just like half a mile through the woods.

1484
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 8: We get up there and we can see the lights

1485
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 8: on in the garage and we think, so we'll sit

1486
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 8: there and listen a minute, and we can hear him

1487
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 8: beating and banging around, moving around in the garage. Like guy,

1488
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 8: this guy's still awake. He's just tinkering. So we go

1489
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 8: ahead and hit the garage and we hit the house

1490
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 8: and hit the garage at the same time. And my

1491
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 8: team hit the garage and that guy's in there. He's

1492
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 8: still in there, and he's painting the car with a

1493
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 8: paint brush one end of the other. We hit the door,

1494
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 8: kicked the door open. He never looked up and he

1495
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 8: just kept painting. Knocked the paint brush out of his hand,

1496
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 8: and you know, hooked him up and took him out

1497
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 8: and he never said a word. I don't know that

1498
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 8: he even knew we were there. Wow, But he had

1499
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 8: been there the whole day that there was fifty coats

1500
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 8: of paint on that car. He would just dump open

1501
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 8: another can, grab a paint brush. Really yeah. The interview,

1502
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 8: Marshall said that guy told him he had been awake

1503
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 8: for like eight days. Go fast reason they call it

1504
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:55,799
Speaker 8: go fast?

1505
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: God? Man, Yeah, I need to get some of that

1506
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: for the people work here. You have to take something

1507
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: like I'm doing all that podcast? What's next? Because I

1508
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: that one nine times? Yeah? Yeah, You're dental insurance is

1509
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: going to go up. No, that's incredible, man, What it

1510
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: was strange? Did you want to get out of that

1511
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: pretty bad?

1512
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1513
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: It was pretty rough. You know, remarried all through it?

1514
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 8: Uh huh off and on? Uh yeah, what does that

1515
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 8: mean about sixteen years?

1516
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? I had a starter wife. Oh, I got it.

1517
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's rough on the family's it's rough.

1518
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 8: It was rough on everybody.

1519
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: I get it. But to explain it, how like what

1520
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: as well? It was?

1521
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 8: It was all encompassing. I got a high off of

1522
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 8: the work. I couldn't rest thinking. And I'll take it

1523
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 8: back to the very beginning. The first time I saw

1524
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,799
Speaker 8: a house full of children that were in a bad

1525
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 8: way because of it, that was it just lit a

1526
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 8: fire and I couldn't rest. I thought every child should

1527
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 8: should grow up like I did, and every child should

1528
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 8: be like my children and that and have to worry

1529
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 8: about missing, you know, a cartoon on them, or not

1530
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 8: getting their favorite kool aid. Be their only worried, not

1531
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 8: if I'm going to step on a hypodermic needle in

1532
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 8: the yard, or if you know, Mama's going to wake

1533
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 8: up from whatever it is she just took, or where

1534
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 8: my next meal is coming from. And I and there

1535
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 8: was at one time I held the record for how

1536
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 8: many kids I'd taken away from people like that. And

1537
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 8: it was just horrible that the stuff that you see

1538
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 8: those kids are in and I could not rest and

1539
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 8: I neglected some of my kids for that. You know,

1540
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 8: when I should have been at home, I was. I

1541
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 8: was out working. And so it was, you know, it

1542
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 8: got it got tough. It was tough, but that that

1543
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 8: was my always my motivation. It was I couldn't rest

1544
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 8: on the laurels of you know, we got this guy

1545
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 8: that we've been after for six months, Okay, we got him,

1546
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 8: Who cares, Let's get the next one. And it didn't

1547
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 8: matter when it was, it was Christmas or whatever birthdays?

1548
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: That was the focus. Did you give up hunting and

1549
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: fishing during those years?

1550
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 8: No, we still did I still did it. I didn't

1551
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 8: have many hunting dogs during that length of time because

1552
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 8: I couldn't. It was just it didn't work. But no

1553
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 8: I did. I hunted and fish and I did that

1554
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 8: with my family. You know, that was the time that

1555
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 8: I spent with them.

1556
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: But you got you were in the waterfoul business for

1557
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: a long time. Yep.

1558
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 8: My brother and I ran a guide service for about

1559
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 8: twenty six years. And this is some of this overlap.

1560
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 8: Some of some of that time I was in patrol

1561
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 8: and in the uniform part. So but yeah, there's there

1562
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 8: was a lot of a lot of time. Yeah, we

1563
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 8: did that on the Arkansas River, Like I said, for

1564
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 8: twenty six years. We got it folks from all over

1565
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 8: the nation.

1566
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: Do you are you worried that Clay thinks that maybe

1567
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: you're an undercover game warning investigating Clay. I have never

1568
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: heard that story. That is news to me.

1569
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 2: Of course, he's he's always When I when I interviewed

1570
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 2: Artie Stewart, I was like, Artie and Britt have a

1571
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:40,759
Speaker 2: lot in common.

1572
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: An undercover agent's like the best friend in the.

1573
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 2: World, always ready to go, always got an extra cash,

1574
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: and always missing, always missing, always wanting you to take

1575
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 2: the shot.

1576
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: Always wanted to video you.

1577
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my biggest saying is like, finally I

1578
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 2: was like, Brant wants to video of me everywhere I go. No, no, yeah,

1579
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: that's our I mean, he's in there, just still he's

1580
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 2: if he's still in he's in deep, which I'm pretty

1581
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 2: convinced he is.

1582
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: So tell me now get to the part about about you.

1583
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: Start like like, how did you guys? I remember when

1584
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: Klay came to me and said, I think Brent Reeves

1585
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: should do a show.

1586
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 2: Can I segue from Brent's That's some of the most

1587
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,839
Speaker 2: I've ever heard Brent publicly talk about his law enforcement stuff,

1588
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 2: is it?

1589
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely?

1590
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: Like and so this segue, well, I'm just telling you, Brent.

1591
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 2: We talked on the phone yesterday and we're we're yeah,

1592
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: there's a new podcast coming out called This Country Life

1593
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 2: with Brent Reeves and if you're if you're around Brent,

1594
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: he does not talk about law enforcement stuff like I'm

1595
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: like you, Steve, I'm constantly like, tell me about this

1596
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: or that, and he like usually wants to get around it.

1597
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: And what he said to me yesterday, as he said, Clay,

1598
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 2: I spent thirty years of my life dealing with people

1599
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 2: on the worst day of their life, at their worst self,

1600
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: and and he said, I want this podcast to be

1601
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 2: about the good days. And so this Country Life with

1602
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 2: Ritt Reeves is gonna.

1603
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: Be it's about the guys that got away on that.

1604
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a it's it's uh, it's gonna be well.

1605
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: And I don't want to steal Brent's nunner.

1606
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: But but that segue into this is gonna be a lighthearted,

1607
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: fun short podcast. And Brent, aside from having this law

1608
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 2: enforcement career, has lived a very robust rural American life.

1609
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's.

1610
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: A boat ramp on the Saline River at Arkansas named

1611
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: after Brent's dad. They squirrel hunted and had lines of

1612
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 2: cur dogs and and just anything any kind of like

1613
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 2: Southern hunting cred that you want to get, Brent Reeves

1614
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 2: has it. And Brent, of all people, and here I

1615
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 2: am talking over Brent. Brent remembers stories like nobody I've

1616
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 2: ever met like he. Every time I'm with him, he

1617
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 2: tells a story or remembers something and I go, did

1618
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: you just make that up?

1619
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: Did you?

1620
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: And And it's like, so this Country Life with Brent

1621
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 2: Reeves is a podcast that capitalizes on stuff that Brent's

1622
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 2: really good about. It's telling great stories, teaching country skills, yep,

1623
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,799
Speaker 2: to teach you how to beat the systems.

1624
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a throw in, just recent

1625
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 8: but it works. And it's not like getting away with

1626
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 8: it's going against like corporate thinking or doing things that

1627
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 8: give you an advantage, getting you get a better lesson

1628
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 8: out of it, you know than the and.

1629
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: Going along with it.

1630
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: Give us an example, because Clay was saying, you had

1631
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 2: something that he that you had a thing about the

1632
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: first time you beat the system.

1633
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was when I was in the sixth grade.

1634
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 8: It's kind of a long story.

1635
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you want to I don't know if

1636
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: you want the whole story here because it's this is

1637
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 2: the opening podcast.

1638
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: Is him telling the extended version of the story. Oh,

1639
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. You want to hear it, I'll tell it,

1640
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: tell me a truncated version. Okay.

1641
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 8: When I was in the sixth grade, you know, I

1642
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 8: like to do things, and everything that I like to

1643
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 8: do had nothing to do with school. There was other

1644
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,600
Speaker 8: things to do, all of it outside. I grew up

1645
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 8: on a little farm and if I wanted to be

1646
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 8: in the woods. I wanted to be outside. I want

1647
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 8: to be if when I got my chores were done,

1648
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 8: I had to go. I didn't TV was not a

1649
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 8: I didn't care about watching television. So when I was

1650
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 8: in school, it wasn't that I was missing something on TV.

1651
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 8: I was missing something in the woods somewhere, or there

1652
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 8: was a pickle fish and do anything. And I had

1653
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 8: a buddy that lived in town. I rode the bus

1654
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 8: to school. His mama brought him to school and we

1655
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 8: would sit out in front. This I was in the

1656
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 8: sixth grade. We sit out in front school every morning.

1657
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 8: All the kids gathered up there. The bell would ring,

1658
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 8: all the kids would go in with the duty teacher,

1659
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 8: and there was a potlatch meal. There was two meals

1660
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 8: in Warren, Arkansas, where I.

1661
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 1: Grew the extended version.

1662
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 8: Man, Well, you got to have this context for the

1663
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 8: rest of it to make sense. And they were on

1664
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 8: each side of town, and they ran a little railroad

1665
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 8: that took lumber and wood chips from one side of

1666
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 8: the town to the other, back and forth to those

1667
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 8: to those between those meals, and it rolled right beside

1668
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 8: the elementary school, the sixth, fifth, and sixth grade school

1669
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 8: right there, forty yards from the front door. And I'm

1670
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 8: thinking that it came by nine times out of ten

1671
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 8: when the bell would ring to go into school, and

1672
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 8: it came back by fifteen to twenty minutes before school

1673
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 8: let out every day. And I'm thinking, dude, that's my

1674
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 8: ticket right there. I get somebody to go with me,

1675
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 8: and my friend would go with me, and he did,

1676
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 8: and we jumped that train and we rode it to

1677
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 8: the middle of the town. After all the kids went in.

1678
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 8: We hoboed from one end of the warren to the

1679
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 8: middle and got out and knocked around all day, then

1680
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 8: got back on it when it was climbed back up

1681
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 8: on them the depot. They cranked that train up, took

1682
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 8: it back across town, and we bailed off of it

1683
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 8: at the school fifteen minutes before before the bell rings.

1684
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 8: We hid in the bushes and the bell ring and

1685
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 8: all the kids come out and we just jumped in

1686
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 8: there with them, and I walked up on that school

1687
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 8: bus like I had the title to it. He got

1688
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 8: in the carline to go home, and we beat the

1689
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 8: system and.

1690
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: We never got caught. We walked all over town and nobody,

1691
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: I mean we're seeing people. This is a town of mine.

1692
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 2: Lucky Strike cigarettes out of a vending machine, fifty cents

1693
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 2: a pack.

1694
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: I remember those that they always had that something like

1695
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 1: clear handle. Yep. I know. I was never a smoker,

1696
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: but you can just be able to walk up, yeah,

1697
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: instead of getting bury meat and spin out cigarette cigarettes. Yeah.

1698
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, So we beat the system. My mother and they

1699
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 8: never knew about it. I told him about it. My

1700
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 8: mama didn't believe me. She said, you did not do that.

1701
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 1: You tried to tell it, tried to Yeah, I mean,

1702
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: this is I'm grown. She's like, you didn't do that. Yeah,

1703
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: I did.

1704
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 8: And so in my buddy, I don't name him in

1705
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 8: the story, but he went there. We were both involved

1706
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 8: in what's coincidental about it? We both we ran in

1707
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 8: separate crowds after that as we as we grew up,

1708
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 8: and we both became involved in law enforcement, me on

1709
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 8: the badge toting hen and him on the other end

1710
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 8: of it. So, oh he got involved in the arts. Yeah,

1711
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 8: he got involved on the other side. So I've always

1712
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 8: thought about that up until the sixth grade. We were

1713
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 8: the he got he got arrested.

1714
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 1: He became a criminal.

1715
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, criminal, Yeah, yeah, I think he's squared away now.

1716
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 8: But what kind of crime did you get into? Oh,

1717
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 8: it's just you know, drugs and drinking and all all

1718
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 8: of the sort that you love. I think he's doing

1719
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 8: fine now.

1720
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 3: So so I was just going to ask what this

1721
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 3: takeaway or the skill is that we learn from jumping

1722
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 3: the train.

1723
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: That's a prelude, Well we beat the system.

1724
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 2: Well, let me explain this. I'll answer your question. So

1725
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 2: in the podcast, you're going to hear the stories that

1726
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,560
Speaker 2: you need to hear. Yeah, Brent's gonna teach you the

1727
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 2: country skills that you need to know to beat the system.

1728
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,839
Speaker 2: So every episode you're going to hear some great funny story,

1729
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 2: like a five or six minute story, and then he's

1730
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,640
Speaker 2: going to talk about a country skill for instance, Like

1731
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 2: there's one of the episodes is how to train a

1732
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 2: squirrel dog. One of the episodes is how to run

1733
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 2: trot line. One of the episodes is.

1734
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 1: What does a what does?

1735
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 2: What do you need to carry in your pockets if

1736
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 2: you're a countryman? One of one of the episodes might

1737
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 2: be about how to buy a truck?

1738
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,600
Speaker 1: And and and there at what point, I don't know

1739
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: if you guys are doing this one or not we

1740
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: talked about it is how to know when it's okay

1741
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: to bring your own dog hunting and when you go

1742
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 1: duck hunt with other people and you're not sure of

1743
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: your duck calling skills, how do you know what it's

1744
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 1: okay to blow your duck call?

1745
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 2: So one of the episodes is du camp Etiquette. So

1746
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 2: it's it's fun, it's a it's a it's a very fun,

1747
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 2: you know, Jerry Kloer esque, but also gonna teach you

1748
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 2: something fun podcast and it's and it's gonna be I

1749
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 2: think I can say this. It's gonna be on the

1750
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:53,560
Speaker 2: Bear Grease feed. So if if you if you subscribe

1751
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 2: to the bear Grease podcast, They're now going to be

1752
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: two drops per week on the bear Grease podcast. Bear

1753
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 2: is going to come out and the Bear Grease Render,

1754
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 2: which brand is on most of the time. And then

1755
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 2: This Country Life with Brent Reeves. So you find This

1756
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 2: Country Life with Brent Reeves by going to Bear Grease.

1757
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: The same way that the Trivia show runs on the

1758
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 1: Mediator podcast feed. Yeah, So what would really be great

1759
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: is if picture that This Country Life starts outperforming Bear Grease,

1760
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: does it become to this Country Life feet.

1761
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 2: Hey, I believe this could happen. Man, people are gonna

1762
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 2: love Brent's podcast.

1763
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: I think so. I think they're going to. I think

1764
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: we need to be prepared for change the name of

1765
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: that feet.

1766
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: I'll be wearing that this country life hat, this country patch.

1767
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,759
Speaker 2: Now it's it's kind of a perfect story too, because

1768
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 2: I would say that if anybody, I mean, people might

1769
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 2: have a lot of criticisms of the Bear Grease podcast,

1770
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 2: but one of them could be that it was just

1771
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 2: kind of like a heavy listen, like you got to

1772
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 2: pay attention.

1773
01:36:58,240 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 1: It's not like easy listening.

1774
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 2: It's you know, we're usually telling some in depth story

1775
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 2: and if you miss half of it, you don't know

1776
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 2: what's going on. Like now what it's it's it's it's

1777
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 2: like a it's like a robust chunk and it's and

1778
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 2: it's longer. Bear Gree's podcast. Is This Country Life with

1779
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 2: Brent Reeves is gonna be like twenty minutes long?

1780
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifty. It's just gonna be fun.

1781
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 2: So it's kind of the but it's still gonna be

1782
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: in the vein of rural American life.

1783
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: When does it launch a twenty first Tony, can you

1784
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: tell me why I'm Uh, can you tell me about

1785
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: why you think I'm wrong about how mule you're cooler

1786
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: in white tails?

1787
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 7: H sure, I think and we you know, we were

1788
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 7: talking about this before we started recording. But I think

1789
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 7: you look at them in a certain way because where

1790
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 7: you live and where you hunt. No, no, all right,

1791
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 7: why don't you tell me why you said better first?

1792
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: No, Tony, go just ignore his Well they're anyway. No, okay,

1793
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: I won't go. No, I want you to.

1794
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 2: I can't even really, I mean, Tony, you can knock

1795
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 2: this out of the park.

1796
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:23,719
Speaker 1: They're just more like more mysterious, Okay. They they drift

1797
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: around and show up places. They have a hot, greater

1798
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: tendency to be migratory. They're they're a lot of them

1799
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: are gonna go and never be glimpsed and never like

1800
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: owned by anybody. They're harder to lay a hand on,

1801
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 1: and they're harder to buy. Meaning when I see a

1802
01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: true when I see a truly giant white tail rack, okay,

1803
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: hanging in you know wherever, hanging in some guy's house

1804
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 1: that I don't know, well, I see a big old

1805
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,560
Speaker 1: white tail rack. In my head, I'm always thinking, Oh,

1806
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 1: don't even ask, right, okay, because it's like it came

1807
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:28,719
Speaker 1: off some high fence deal whatever whatever, So you assume

1808
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: the worst when you see it is usually the case. Yeah,

1809
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: when I see a giant when I see like a

1810
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:40,640
Speaker 1: freaking giant mule deer rack, and you ask, there's a

1811
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: really good chance it was a really good chance that

1812
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: it came off some crazy chunk of BLM ground somewhere

1813
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: or something. You know, It's like, it's just there's a

1814
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 1: greater chance that it was that it stayed free. Okay,

1815
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 1: I have, I have gone, I'm about done. I have

1816
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: in my house on display. Well, I have in my

1817
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: house on display a number of what I regard to

1818
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 1: be like pretty nice mule deer. Every one of those

1819
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: came off public land. Okay. Uh And and people could

1820
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 1: probably assume that that was the case. So I'm not

1821
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: saying anything bad about white tails. I'm just saying that's

1822
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 1: why I like them more. It doesn't mean that that

1823
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: I that they're not good, But I'm saying, like you

1824
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: can love two things, right, one's a ninety nine and

1825
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 1: one's one hundred or whatever on a scale of one

1826
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 1: to one hundred. That's why they're higher. Because they're wild

1827
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 1: and unknowable and little touchy.

1828
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 7: I would say that you might be like twenty percent right, Okay,

1829
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 7: So I look at that and I go and listen.

1830
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,799
Speaker 7: I'll preface this by saying, if you were to say, Tony,

1831
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:06,799
Speaker 7: if you're gonna go have a week of fun hunting,

1832
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 7: what would you pick? I'd go spot in stock meal

1833
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 7: deer with my bow. Oh okay, I would huge fan.

1834
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 7: But I also look at this, and I go, when

1835
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 7: you say, meal deer are this?

1836
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: They're wild?

1837
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 7: And I go to my buddy's house and Aspen and

1838
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 7: I see giant meal deer feet in his backyard.

1839
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: I go, well, not those, okay, But listen, a turkey

1840
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: once beat up my dog in my yard. Yeah, does

1841
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 1: that change how I think about turkeys and turkey hunting?

1842
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: There's always a there's always there's always the mildier land

1843
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: in someone's ear.

1844
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 7: It's not like it's that that uncommon. And it's also

1845
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 7: I look at it and go, Okay. You can say

1846
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,679
Speaker 7: you've got a trophy room full of public land meal deer,

1847
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 7: I have a trophy l in it. Or I have

1848
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 7: a trophy room full of public land white tails, Like

1849
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 7: what does that matter? Like there's still asked there, like

1850
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 7: the high fence thing exists in white tails, but so

1851
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,719
Speaker 7: does the other end of it. Dude, Okay, the mule deer, Okay,

1852
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 7: let me say it this way. The mule deer just

1853
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 7: generally staying there more wild, all right. But your hunt

1854
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 7: on blm land somewhere is that the same as a

1855
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 7: private ranch hunt somewhere else for meal deer.

1856
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand the question. Are they

1857
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 1: Is it the same hunt? Is it as easy? Is

1858
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: it as hard?

1859
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 7: Because what I think you're doing is you're lumping white

1860
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 7: tails sort sort of in a negative way.

1861
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I'm not No, No, I was. I

1862
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: didn't talk about what I was talking about why I

1863
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: like Mulder? No, I know, but the reasons you list.

1864
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:35,719
Speaker 1: So if I talk about why I like my wife,

1865
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: are you like, man, why are you so hard on

1866
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 1: my wife? No? I'm like, no, I don't know. But

1867
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: if you what was the original statement, not.

1868
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 3: About that giant white tail on the dude's wall.

1869
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you said coming down to I was

1870
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: at a friend's house and there's like this freaking giant.

1871
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:57,680
Speaker 1: He's got a giant It's not even it's like a

1872
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 1: giant Whitetail Mount and you look at you, there's no way,

1873
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: there's no way, there's no way, and sure enough is

1874
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: bought from one of them places in Pennsylvania.

1875
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,719
Speaker 2: Well, what about the fact that there are exponentially more

1876
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 2: white tails and more white tail hunters than mule deer.

1877
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 2: So for sure there's gonna be some apples inside of

1878
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 2: that crate that are not the pristine, romantic, best way,

1879
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 2: best practice way we want to kill them, And that's

1880
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 2: not the white tail's fault, it's just the fault that

1881
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 2: people have. Well, white tails range is so much bigger,

1882
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 2: there's been so much more biologically successful, There's been so

1883
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 2: much culture built around them.

1884
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the things that you hate about white tails

1885
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: are because they're great.

1886
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the reason guys have high fence operations and

1887
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 2: dedicate their lives to growing big deer is because of

1888
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 2: the wild deer that Tony hunts on public land. And

1889
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 2: when the guy killed one and they wrote about it

1890
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety two at North American white Tail, the

1891
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,879
Speaker 2: world went crazy and we're living off of that vibe

1892
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 2: and so people cheated the system.

1893
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 1: And so, I mean, white tails are easier to hack.

1894
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: Like we know this.

1895
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 7: We know how to make big white tails, and that's

1896
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 7: like an undeniable part of the hunting industry. But I

1897
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 7: just don't like the broad statement of being like that.

1898
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 7: And people do this to me all the time. They're like,

1899
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 7: that's white tail hunt. You go sit on a food plot,

1900
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 7: you name your bucks, and I'm like, there's so many

1901
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 7: different ways to do this. And you know, like somebody

1902
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 7: who's in Southern II where they have a thousand acres

1903
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 7: and they know how to raise there and they've hacked

1904
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 7: it and they're they're producing two hundred inch year every year.

1905
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 7: That's not the same white tail you're hunting when you

1906
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 7: go to the up and you try to bow hunt

1907
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 7: one up there with a low deer density, Right, it's

1908
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 7: a different hunt. That's what I met with a meal

1909
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 7: deer thing. I've hunted them, you know, not nearly as

1910
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 7: much as a lot of people here, but I've hunted

1911
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 7: them quite a bit, and that it's varied a lot.

1912
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:44,839
Speaker 7: You know, like it's felt amazing and like the breaky country,

1913
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 7: like that's one of my favorite things to do. But

1914
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 7: there's different kind of meal deer hunts than that. You know,

1915
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 7: then I could do it yourself. Public land white til hunt.

1916
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Right.

1917
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 3: Oh, there's plenty of giant box to get shot underneath

1918
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:55,799
Speaker 3: a pivot.

1919
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1920
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of alfalfa field bucks. So I just

1921
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 7: don't like the generalization out here.

1922
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: Let me let me let me blow your mind then, please.

1923
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 1: I love muskrats. I like beaver's better than muskrats. Okay,

1924
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: I like otters better than beavers. Now it's some muskrat.

1925
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: It's just like it's it's it's always like this. Like ducks,

1926
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: I like big fat mallards better than some other duck,

1927
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,679
Speaker 1: but I like wood ducks most of all. This isn't

1928
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 1: the hack on other things.

1929
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 2: I get that, and your your your story about mule

1930
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,679
Speaker 2: deer is compelling. I mean, like, I get what you're saying,

1931
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 2: but I mean what we're we're arguing about something that's

1932
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 2: silly to argue about, like the people that turn this

1933
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 2: into a big thing about Oh, Ronella said this about

1934
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 2: white tails. I mean, it's fun to debate it, but

1935
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 2: I mean, really, you're just telling us what you love,

1936
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 2: and Tony's telling you what he loves.

1937
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me distial it down more. When

1938
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 1: I see a big old hue, huge mild your mount,

1939
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I just know, I know I'm looking

1940
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 1: at a more interesting story. The odds are I'm looking

1941
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,799
Speaker 1: at a more interesting story than when I see a big,

1942
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,799
Speaker 1: huge way to I think it goes back to numbers.

1943
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:20,719
Speaker 2: Though there are let's say, there are a million white

1944
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 2: tail mounts of Giant two hundred engineer in this country,

1945
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,719
Speaker 2: and there are let's say one hundred thousand, one hundred

1946
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 2: thousand milder amounts, And again it goes back to the

1947
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 2: to the numbers thing.

1948
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying in your right I'm talking

1949
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 1: about percentages, not total numbers. Well, but I think you're right.

1950
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see a big mulder like it was, it

1951
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 2: wasn't a high fence milder. That's your point for me,

1952
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:44,599
Speaker 2: and that's good.

1953
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I like them both. Conversation Jason Phelps. Jason

1954
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Phelps once told me he will Jason Phelps has vowed

1955
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 1: not to shoot a white tail. I did kill them

1956
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 1: last year, and I absolutely love it.

1957
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 6: But I'm Steve on this one, and not necessarily because

1958
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 6: of ones better than the other. I think when like

1959
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 6: when we're out there doing it, like the boxes that

1960
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 6: you get to check, the adventure most likely is going

1961
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 6: to go to meal deer. Every time you're gonna the

1962
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,639
Speaker 6: places that you're gonna go chase these things. I mean, yeah,

1963
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 6: we've hunted them in the breaks, we've hut them down

1964
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 6: in the Bilm flats, but I can't go chase a

1965
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 6: white tail at the top of a mountain above tree line,

1966
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,599
Speaker 6: you know. Just most of the time, I think meal

1967
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 6: deer just like checks those boxes for me for that

1968
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 6: adventure that you're looking for and hunt.

1969
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:27,599
Speaker 1: Now.

1970
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 6: I love sitting in a tree stand in Kansas just

1971
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 6: as much, you know, not just as much, but it's

1972
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:34,640
Speaker 6: still fun. It's still something I like to do, but

1973
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 6: it's not the work that goes And this is where

1974
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 6: it really gets like a measuring stick, Like you're not

1975
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 6: trying to say this meal deer was way harder to kill,

1976
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 6: and not everybody could do it because I had to

1977
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 6: hike six miles up. But I think some of that

1978
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 6: adds into it, Like you feel more accomplished when you

1979
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 6: can go into meal deer country sometimes and do this

1980
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 6: versus that's a physical exertion, versus the scouting that it took,

1981
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 6: the trail cam pictures that you had to take to

1982
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 6: like put the plan together for this big white tail

1983
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 6: so I think growing up out West, it's a lot

1984
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 6: of that, like checking the box, adventure difficulties.

1985
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 2: See, it's all about mind frame and worldview. Because to

1986
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 2: me and Tony, setting in a tree stand for four

1987
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 2: days daylight, tail dark and killing the big buck is

1988
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 2: the same boxes checked is going into some remote canyon,

1989
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 2: and it's just different. It's the same buzz, it's the

1990
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 2: same you know, you'd say adventure and then this one

1991
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 2: you might say strategy and chess match, and I mean it's.

1992
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 1: Just kind of your worldview and I have to throw

1993
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 1: into there's a personal experienced component of this that's very impressure.

1994
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: I grew up only hunting white tails. That was the

1995
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 1: only we had one big game animal. I mean, you

1996
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 1: could go north of us and draw bear tag. We

1997
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 1: had one big game animal all through growing up, all

1998
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 1: big game focus was on hunting white tails. So to

1999
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 1: move away in your twenties and also here's this whole

2000
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 1: other thing, I think it's just a completely different system. Yeah,

2001
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 1: it was, you know, a mild active it was like

2002
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,759
Speaker 1: an exotic, a mild act of rebellion. It was just different.

2003
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 1: But now I've spent more of my life, you know,

2004
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 1: at this point I spent more of my life focused

2005
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 1: more on Mulder than the white Tails. And now I'm

2006
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: starting to get nostalgic and wanted to go and sit

2007
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:23,879
Speaker 1: in the tree all the time. Yeah.

2008
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 3: Wait till you get yourself a little twenty acre chunk

2009
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 3: and you start thinking about making some habitat back there

2010
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 3: for those white tails, Buddy, you're gonna get some nostalgia.

2011
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 1: Put some sale cams out. When I was a kid,

2012
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: making habitat was dumping carrots. That was habitat improvement. Yeah.

2013
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 2: Oh, your Milder, I love it. I mean what you

2014
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 2: said about Mulder. I've never killed a Mulder. I've never

2015
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 2: never hunted a Milder. But yeah, I love what you're

2016
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 2: saying there. But I also love what Tony said. I mean,

2017
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 2: just it's just different. It's not a legitimate argument. It's like,

2018
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 2: you know, there's no argument.

2019
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,679
Speaker 4: I disagree. Plant your flag. Jordan Giannis team mule Deer,

2020
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 4: which definitely Muder.

2021
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 1: Your team Mulder.

2022
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I think honestly, I'm just team big Buck too,

2023
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 9: because they're hard to kill.

2024
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 1: Man, Jordan's killed some giant Mulder, haven't you.

2025
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 9: A couple of big ones? Yeah?

2026
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's your giant Milder. You're killing secret? Jordan?

2027
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 9: Uh, I don't know if there's a secret. I think

2028
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 9: it's just uh not quitting, just like keep going.

2029
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, haven't you killed?

2030
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2031
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 4: That was in Nebraska. Yeah, yep, that was in Nebraska.

2032
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,639
Speaker 9: And that was like a I mean, I've never seen

2033
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 9: one like that ever before then, and I haven't seen

2034
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 9: one since. So that was definitely kind of a wild card.

2035
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 1: But we call that taking the cream off the top.

2036
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, taking advantage of a situation, I guess, yeah, or yeah, opportunity.

2037
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, do.

2038
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 3: You ever talk about mule deer tactics in your new podcast? Jordan, No,

2039
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 3: because we're.

2040
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 1: All about the gear Talk, just about the gear, talk

2041
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: about your show, Jordan. Yeah, so yeah, some guy you

2042
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 1: partnered with.

2043
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 9: The Johanni Yeah, Yanni and I are partnered up on

2044
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 9: the Gear Talk podcast and talking about gear, doing deep

2045
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 9: dives into lamin it's and you know, breatheabowlel of whatever clothing,

2046
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:32,919
Speaker 9: talking about boots and all kinds of stuff. So hopefully

2047
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 9: just to educate consumers on when they decide to buy

2048
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 9: a piece of gear, they have a place to go

2049
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 9: look at and listen to what they should look at

2050
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 9: when they're buying something.

2051
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, and y'all talk about Mulder because I've heard

2052
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 2: your Mulder story told on there.

2053
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we definitely's right because every week I

2054
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 3: asked Jordan what she's been up to, and then she

2055
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 3: tells me she's been scouting for mule Deer, doing whatever

2056
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 3: she's been doing.

2057
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's true.

2058
01:51:58,840 --> 01:51:59,759
Speaker 1: Tell me Annie, Joannie.

2059
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 3: I couldn't have said it any better. But in the end, Yeah,

2060
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:05,200
Speaker 3: don't feel like you're getting sold something. You need to

2061
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 3: look at it as though you're learning about When I

2062
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:13,320
Speaker 3: had to make a sort of a PSA, Yeah, it

2063
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 3: wasn't quite a PSA, but it just had I had

2064
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 3: to get off my chests i'd read I'd been reading

2065
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 3: too many comments, too many people thinking like I was

2066
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,679
Speaker 3: selling them something, or Jordan and I were selling them stuff.

2067
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:26,879
Speaker 3: And I want everybody to know that it's more important

2068
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 3: to me that you get out in there and go

2069
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 3: hunting versus going buy new gear. If it comes down

2070
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 3: to that, you spending money on gas and ammos, you

2071
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 3: can actually be in the field hunting versus buying a

2072
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 3: new jacket. Do the former, not the latter, right, But

2073
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 3: when you are ready to go buy a new jacket. Hopefully,

2074
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 3: when Jordan and I do a nice review of five

2075
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:50,120
Speaker 3: different soft shells, you can go, oh, I listened to that,

2076
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 3: and now I know what I'm looking for it. Maybe

2077
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 3: you don't even buy one of those, but you'll know

2078
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 3: that you might be looking when you pick up the jacket.

2079
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:59,720
Speaker 3: You're gonna be thinking about air permeability, whether or not

2080
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 3: it pit zips, how well it fit, you know, if

2081
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 3: it runs large, runs small, price point, whatever it might be.

2082
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 3: But yeah, we hope to just educate everybody on their

2083
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 3: gear or their future gear buying, and and hopefully also

2084
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:17,679
Speaker 3: educate you how you use the gear in the field

2085
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:22,640
Speaker 3: and what you told along with you, Yeah, what you

2086
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:24,679
Speaker 3: told a long as far as gear goes, Oh yeah,

2087
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 3: oh yeah, what to grab or not to grab?

2088
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:28,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2089
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. We've already done a couple of pack dump episodes

2090
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 3: talk about what was in Jordan's bear pack when she's

2091
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 3: going bear hunting. My turkey Vest did a pack dump

2092
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:39,640
Speaker 3: on that.

2093
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 2: We talk with people in the industry that are making

2094
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 2: boots and making jackets and kind of educating people on

2095
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 2: how stuff happens.

2096
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. We recently did a podcast of

2097
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 3: Taylor Chamberlain, who's shot I think more dear than anybody else.

2098
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,480
Speaker 3: I know. We talked all about all the different broadheads

2099
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 3: he's tried and the results that he's seen with different broadheads.

2100
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: That's a downtown deer hunting guy or no, that's right.

2101
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's killed a lot of deer to almost so

2102
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 3: many that he doesn't like to say the numbers because

2103
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 3: it kind of makes people a little sick when they

2104
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 3: think about people killing that many animals.

2105
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 1: But he kills them all downtown like nuisance deer.

2106
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, one percent.

2107
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:18,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why he kills so many.

2108
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 3: Sometimes three and four to sit and I don't want

2109
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 3: to like applaud you know, this sort of like mass killing.

2110
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean there a lot of these suburban

2111
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 3: areas have these deer problems, and there are a lot

2112
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 3: of bull hunters that are in there trying to help

2113
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:37,080
Speaker 3: it out, you know, and help out the people that

2114
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:40,680
Speaker 3: don't want their fancy flowers eating up, and probably help

2115
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,240
Speaker 3: the deer population in general, right because they're eating themselves

2116
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 3: out of house and home. But yeah, I think you

2117
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 3: can say it's in the number, is in the thousands

2118
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 3: of the deer that he's taken with an arrow, and

2119
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 3: it's very interesting to hear his perspective. My big takeaway

2120
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 3: from our interview the other day with him was that

2121
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 3: a lot of us will me personally, if I shoot

2122
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 3: any animal with an arrow and it runs one hundred

2123
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:09,680
Speaker 3: yards and then tips over, I am both arms up cheering, yes, yes, yes,

2124
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 3: best day of my life. I feel great. Well for Taylor,

2125
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 3: he's only someone's backyard. He has to have that deer

2126
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 3: fall over in ten yards or fifteen yards. If it

2127
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 3: goes one hundred yards, his evening went from great to

2128
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 3: not so great because now he's got to probably talk

2129
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:28,440
Speaker 3: to two or three other homeowners. There might be there

2130
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 3: might be a blood trail going across three driveways, blood

2131
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 3: trail on someone's car. Like, he's very focused on making

2132
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 3: that deer drop right then and there, and so the

2133
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 3: very interesting insights on you know, what different types of

2134
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:46,640
Speaker 3: broadheads do and how they perform in that specific sitution.

2135
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 1: No, that's a really good example, man, it's a really

2136
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 1: good example. I remember thinking something similar when it's not

2137
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: the same, quite the same example when people argue about

2138
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 1: shot placement right on different things and calibers on different things.

2139
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 1: But remember back when all the bison migrating out of

2140
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: Yelso National Park used to just get shot by the

2141
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 1: Department of Livestock I do and not go to hunter tags.

2142
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:17,280
Speaker 1: So here you what, however, you agree about bison management

2143
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 1: at that time, and whatever your opinions are about how

2144
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:23,240
Speaker 1: that resource ought to be utilized. It's like I could

2145
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:25,400
Speaker 1: point you in the direction of a couple of people

2146
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,240
Speaker 1: there really know a lot about how to put bison

2147
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 1: on the ground and what do they do. So everybody

2148
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: arguing about, you know, the two times they did it

2149
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 1: and what worked out for them, I say, guys, he's

2150
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 1: done one hundreds of times.

2151
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. The guys that work for for aphis for Wildlife Services, right,

2152
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 3: I mean those people literally they kill for a living

2153
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 3: and so that's their job.

2154
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 1: Right.

2155
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,720
Speaker 3: There's people that have killed thousands and thousands of hogs

2156
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 3: and you know, whatever else happens is becoming a.

2157
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 1: Nuisance like what I like to do the time I

2158
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 1: did it, but.

2159
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 3: I did it once for twelve out of fifteen last years,

2160
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 3: so I know.

2161
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good place to

2162
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 1: go for some information. Yeah, can you can you give

2163
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: you a spoiler alert? What's his take on broad heads?

2164
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 1: We take a guess.

2165
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I will tell you what his goal is

2166
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 3: and then you can guess as to what it is.

2167
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:30,360
Speaker 3: But as he puts it, he likes to take a

2168
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:32,400
Speaker 3: large chunk out of the animal.

2169
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 1: Really mm hm, so she's an expandable Nope, Oh, he

2170
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: doesn't fixed over expandable. Really. Oh, I thought you're gonna

2171
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 1: tell me this one of the freaking you know, like

2172
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 1: when I think of a chunk, I wasn't thinking fixed here.

2173
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 3: But it's a. It's a it's a it's not a

2174
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 3: standard fixed. It is wider, it's got very wide bleeder blades.

2175
01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:00,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's putting a big hole through these animals

2176
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 3: to stop him quickly.

2177
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 1: Hmm. I'll be tuning in. Yeah, what do you think

2178
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:08,640
Speaker 1: about all that? Phelps? I don't know there.

2179
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 6: But see, you guys already like cut my legs off

2180
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 6: of my argument because I've only shot fifty, you know,

2181
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 6: or thirty thirty five and then maybe seen a hundred

2182
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 6: get killed by an arrow. So it's like, all right,

2183
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 6: you guys have already like taken the wind out of

2184
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:24,520
Speaker 6: my cells. But I don't know, like having something like

2185
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:28,240
Speaker 6: designing a the energy in a arrow isn't meant to

2186
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 6: necessarily drop stuff. Yeah, we've dropped elk with a shot,

2187
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 6: and we've dropped deer through the high shoulder. But it's

2188
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 6: like it's I don't know if like going that direction

2189
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 6: is better than shoot him, letting me aroun one hundred

2190
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,440
Speaker 6: yards off because I know that's gonna die eventually. Where

2191
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:43,960
Speaker 6: it's like you can have a lot of more, you know,

2192
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:46,320
Speaker 6: just as many mistakes like high shoulder, neck head whatever.

2193
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yannie didn't give me the answer to

2194
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 1: where what's his average shot distance?

2195
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,320
Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean again, this is a very specific situation.

2196
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:57,520
Speaker 3: He will not shoot past twenty yards right because he

2197
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 3: has to you know, he has to hit the ring.

2198
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:04,640
Speaker 3: But his ten ring is definitely very far forward into that.

2199
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 3: He said he actually doesn't like to hit the heart

2200
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:09,360
Speaker 3: itself because he feels like that deer is going to

2201
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 3: go a little ways, but basically a couple of inches

2202
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 3: above the heart where it's going to cut that main

2203
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:18,040
Speaker 3: is it the order connection right to the heart and

2204
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:20,960
Speaker 3: basically take out the bottom of the lungs. And also

2205
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 3: he feels like there's a lot of ligaments that connect

2206
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 3: the shoulder to the body there and if he can

2207
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 3: place it just so it gets that and maybe touches

2208
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 3: some of those where almost those front legs become immobilized.

2209
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:35,760
Speaker 6: All right, Yeah, I agree with that shot placement. With

2210
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:41,200
Speaker 6: a big, solid cut, that's probably the best location. You know,

2211
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 6: high shoulder with a big setup. I know I'm opening

2212
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,840
Speaker 6: myself up for a whole lot of debate. But with

2213
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 6: a big setup elevated stand like high shoulder will work

2214
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:52,600
Speaker 6: and the thing will become immobile. But there's always a

2215
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:55,040
Speaker 6: chance for a mess up. So there's another wrinkle of

2216
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 6: this too.

2217
01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 1: You talk. You mentioned like aphist guys that kill tons

2218
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 1: of urban deer. They shoot him in the head, but

2219
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:09,480
Speaker 1: you know what they can. So there's a fair amount

2220
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:14,280
Speaker 1: of you needing to be open about what your actual

2221
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:19,640
Speaker 1: capabilities are, and that might change your approach where some

2222
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:23,200
Speaker 1: guys like at night how I do it, And I've

2223
02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 1: done it hundreds of times when I'm shooting deer out

2224
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 1: of people's yards, I hit them all three eighths of

2225
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:32,960
Speaker 1: an inch down at a four o'clock pattern, down from

2226
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,360
Speaker 1: its ear canal. And that's what I do all night long.

2227
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:40,400
Speaker 1: So does that mean that when you're you know, sitting

2228
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:44,240
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin an opening day and some buck comes busting

2229
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:46,640
Speaker 1: out and pauses in the brush three hundred yards away

2230
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:48,200
Speaker 1: that that's your best and he's like, well, I'm gonna

2231
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:51,240
Speaker 1: do like the aphist guys. No, yeah, of course not.

2232
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 1: It's just different. Yeah, you're like, I'm gonna hold center

2233
02:00:55,840 --> 02:01:00,920
Speaker 1: mass on the ribs and hope something good happens. So

2234
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:05,200
Speaker 1: it's different but still instructive. Yeah, totally. Yeah, that's good.

2235
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: So phelps you. You recovered from getting attacked by a scorpion.

2236
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm good, healthy. What else going on in your world?

2237
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 6: Turkey seasons getting close, We're heading out to me and

2238
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:15,280
Speaker 6: you're heading the Kansas what.

2239
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:17,520
Speaker 1: In two weeks? Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Man, finish

2240
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:20,520
Speaker 1: up the line one saga. When we did our line

2241
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:23,080
Speaker 1: one call, I vowed to someday take the one of

2242
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:25,120
Speaker 1: the people that got a line one call, and I

2243
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 1: was said, I'm gonna take him and we're gonna try

2244
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:29,480
Speaker 1: to kill a turkey from that walnut stump. Yeah, I

2245
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:30,879
Speaker 1: don't know that we're I actually gonna.

2246
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:33,840
Speaker 6: Okay, we've been I've been dealing with I've been dealing

2247
02:01:33,880 --> 02:01:35,600
Speaker 6: with Chester and Sam a little bit, and I'm like,

2248
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,320
Speaker 6: Steve said something in passing. I don't know, like how

2249
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 6: dead set he is, Like, cause if we just move

2250
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 6: forward twenty yards of the field, that it's gonna be

2251
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:44,160
Speaker 6: a way better set up than sitting on that stone.

2252
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh, no, visit. So so we took we did. We

2253
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:51,879
Speaker 1: did calls where we went to a place and chopped

2254
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 1: down a big wallnut and chopped down some osage orange

2255
02:01:55,320 --> 02:01:58,320
Speaker 1: and made a line one our line one call out

2256
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:02,280
Speaker 1: of that wood. And then we wanted to we were

2257
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:07,080
Speaker 1: we couldn't. Like I always tell people that are going

2258
02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:09,400
Speaker 1: into law to go into sweep steaks and raffle law

2259
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:12,280
Speaker 1: to help you out. No, just a general like if

2260
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:15,840
Speaker 1: I was going to start my life over, I would

2261
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:19,720
Speaker 1: spearfish instead of anything else, and my job would be

2262
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 1: I'd be in raffle and sweep steaks law. I would

2263
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:24,040
Speaker 1: have gone to law school and specialize in raffle and

2264
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 1: sweepstakes law, dude, and I would tear a new one.

2265
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:28,880
Speaker 1: I would tear it a new one as a lawyer.

2266
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 1: No lawyer knows anything about sweep steaks and raffle law.

2267
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 1: To the point where people tell you like, oh, I

2268
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:37,000
Speaker 1: guess I don't think you can do that. You never

2269
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:39,800
Speaker 1: get to get this clear answer on it. Anyways, It

2270
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 1: turns out that you can't say, for reasons I'll never understand.

2271
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:47,640
Speaker 1: You can't say when we sell the line one call,

2272
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:53,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick someone who bought a line one call

2273
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:54,920
Speaker 1: randomly because they got numbers on them. We're going to

2274
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:57,200
Speaker 1: generate a random number and then take that person to

2275
02:02:57,280 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 1: hunt the place where we got the trees from. Weren't

2276
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:02,960
Speaker 1: allowed to say it so stupid because you got to

2277
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:05,200
Speaker 1: open up a way for someone who doesn't have any

2278
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:11,200
Speaker 1: jingle to participate. For instance, raffle and sweepstakes law. Every year,

2279
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:13,800
Speaker 1: Yanni and I do a turkey hunt. We give away

2280
02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 1: an all expense paid turkey hunt to someone in their

2281
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:21,640
Speaker 1: friend and we cover airfare, lodging. We'll even get them

2282
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:24,240
Speaker 1: a shotgu if they need one gear or whatever a

2283
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:28,800
Speaker 1: turkey hunt. And if you donate twenty five dollars to TRCP,

2284
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,120
Speaker 1: all the money, like, all the money goes to a

2285
02:03:31,160 --> 02:03:37,120
Speaker 1: nonprofit theatre conservation group, Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. But if

2286
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:42,240
Speaker 1: you're a cheap steak, a cheap skate, you can actually

2287
02:03:42,280 --> 02:03:45,840
Speaker 1: sign up without even donating any money to TRCP. So

2288
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:50,280
Speaker 1: we got thwarted on this whole Line one deal. But anyways,

2289
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:52,600
Speaker 1: how'd you end up getting the guy? Then we just

2290
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:55,760
Speaker 1: picked someone and did without ever telling anybody we picked.

2291
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:58,560
Speaker 1: And now we're taking this. We're taking them hunting. We're

2292
02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 1: taking him to hunt the place where we got the

2293
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:02,320
Speaker 1: walnut from.

2294
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:04,320
Speaker 3: Which number uh well called that he had.

2295
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:05,960
Speaker 1: I remember how we did.

2296
02:04:06,200 --> 02:04:07,680
Speaker 6: I don't even know if we did. I don't know

2297
02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:09,200
Speaker 6: if we even though what number he had because it

2298
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:11,880
Speaker 6: was kind of random. We just picked from the original plan,

2299
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:12,720
Speaker 6: the original plans.

2300
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:14,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to get all them ping pong balls that

2301
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:17,400
Speaker 1: got the number on him and that blowing machine, but

2302
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:18,840
Speaker 1: we never were able to do any of that.

2303
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:23,680
Speaker 3: Anyways, I called in and killed more than a couple

2304
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:25,640
Speaker 3: of gobblers last year with that call.

2305
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:30,720
Speaker 1: Dude, sounds good my call. Anyways, we're gonna take someone

2306
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:33,360
Speaker 1: hunting at that spot. And I was saying that I

2307
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:35,800
Speaker 1: wanted to go in there and hunt off that stump.

2308
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:41,560
Speaker 1: That's thick briers there. Now, you'll be to come in there. Now,

2309
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:43,680
Speaker 1: as he opened up the canopy, it's probably figure. But

2310
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:45,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna go in there and take a look. It's

2311
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. We'll go see the stump.

2312
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:49,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been Randy's been sending his pictures of birds

2313
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:51,680
Speaker 6: everywhere every day, So it's looking good.

2314
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing people like to do. But man,

2315
02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:56,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. No, I think it'll be good.

2316
02:04:56,160 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 1: It'll be good. What else going on.

2317
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:03,560
Speaker 6: About it? Starting to plan fall hunts? Disneyland got in

2318
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 6: the way of Spring Bear for me this year. So

2319
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 6: I'm still recovering from that depression. Taking your kids to

2320
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:11,680
Speaker 6: Disney Yeah, we're gonna do Disneyland, which got right in

2321
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,760
Speaker 6: the middle of my at.

2322
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:17,320
Speaker 1: Some point or another. It has. It happens to everybody. Man,

2323
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:19,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing really due. Yeah, and then it's like, man,

2324
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:21,040
Speaker 1: the big you're going to get out of it, Yanni.

2325
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm already out of it. My kids are nine

2326
02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:24,600
Speaker 3: and eleven.

2327
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:27,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to go to Disneyland.

2328
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:32,680
Speaker 6: Man, Well, when your wife tells you I tried very

2329
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 6: hard to get out.

2330
02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:35,480
Speaker 2: Of and I did something wrong, it's a long time

2331
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:36,040
Speaker 2: before that.

2332
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:38,400
Speaker 1: The good thing about it is we went and they

2333
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:41,840
Speaker 1: weren't really they didn't really care, like it's never come

2334
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:45,160
Speaker 1: back up again. They didn't. You didn't go, No, we

2335
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:48,600
Speaker 1: took them. They didn't really care. It's never come back

2336
02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:51,240
Speaker 1: up again. But one thing that came funny out of

2337
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:53,280
Speaker 1: it is they had a Lego Land. It was like

2338
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:56,360
Speaker 1: a Lego Land by Disney. So we went to Disney

2339
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:58,160
Speaker 1: and then we went to Lego Land, and one day

2340
02:05:58,280 --> 02:06:02,960
Speaker 1: my buddy gave me a leg of Lamb and we're

2341
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,120
Speaker 1: eating leg of Lamb and then we're at the family

2342
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:07,720
Speaker 1: dinner table talking about leg of Lamb and leg of Lamb,

2343
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:10,160
Speaker 1: and my little boy at one point goes, so, what's

2344
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:17,560
Speaker 1: going on with Lego Lamb? That's the best thing to

2345
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 1: come out of that whole experience. So that, but how

2346
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:22,360
Speaker 1: can that ruin a whole spring bear season? Because I

2347
02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 1: was my one.

2348
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:25,000
Speaker 6: I had it planned thinking for some reason, we were

2349
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:27,080
Speaker 6: like going to these land at different time, So planning

2350
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:29,920
Speaker 6: my big hunt with lampers, We're gonna go, gonna go

2351
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:31,920
Speaker 6: do all that, and it just landed wrong. And then

2352
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:34,480
Speaker 6: business kind of always gets in the way, Like we

2353
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:36,800
Speaker 6: don't spell, we don't sell a whole lot of we

2354
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:40,160
Speaker 6: do sell predator calls, but turkey is definitely like the priority,

2355
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:42,360
Speaker 6: and so the time I do have needs to be

2356
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:43,920
Speaker 6: spent chasing turkeys around.

2357
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:45,800
Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah, it's hard to justify it.

2358
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:50,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So yeah, got got some new out hooters

2359
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:52,640
Speaker 6: and you know, we brought out this year in new

2360
02:06:52,680 --> 02:06:55,720
Speaker 6: small bat calls, so kind of took a little bit

2361
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:58,640
Speaker 6: of a dive back and really wanted to like hone

2362
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:01,000
Speaker 6: in on the designs that we were working on make

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02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:04,080
Speaker 6: sure they were buttoned up. So brought some world champion

2364
02:07:04,120 --> 02:07:07,440
Speaker 6: callers on, James Harrison. James Harrison and then Steve Morgenstern

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02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:09,960
Speaker 6: kind of joined the design team with me, and so

2366
02:07:09,960 --> 02:07:11,200
Speaker 6: I think we knocked it out of the park with

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02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:14,320
Speaker 6: some of our small batch tricky calls we kicked out

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02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:16,080
Speaker 6: this year. So I'm excited to get out and start

2369
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:18,960
Speaker 6: testing those. Well we hunt together in Kansas. What call

2370
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:21,080
Speaker 6: you're gonna be using? I think we got to use

2371
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:22,480
Speaker 6: the line one right as much as I'd love to

2372
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:24,840
Speaker 6: use those new small batchs because they're they're dialed. That

2373
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:26,240
Speaker 6: line one is real good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that and what we do? So are you and

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Speaker 1: me gonna be able to hang out because we never

2376
02:07:30,080 --> 02:07:31,800
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys together? I think so, I think we.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's your show, but I imagine we all

2378
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:36,280
Speaker 6: start together as a group, and then we'll just break

2379
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Speaker 6: apart as people start harvesting turkeys and we'll.

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Speaker 1: Tell the dude that won, like you're on your own buddy. Yeah, yeah,

2381
02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:46,760
Speaker 1: you see that stump off of them, We'll take it,

2382
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:48,360
Speaker 1: show you where you're supposed to wait. And then me

2383
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:51,040
Speaker 1: and Phelips are going to going to run and gun.

2384
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:54,640
Speaker 2: And I'm excited trail camera over by that stump. Gobblers

2385
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:55,560
Speaker 2: coming by every.

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Speaker 1: Day, and I got coming right up, I got coming

2387
02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:05,600
Speaker 1: right up youth, the Wisconsin youth turkey, which is the

2388
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:08,320
Speaker 1: highlight of my ear, one of the highlights of my ear.

2389
02:08:08,520 --> 02:08:10,840
Speaker 1: And I'm in that thing now of looking at like

2390
02:08:10,840 --> 02:08:15,280
Speaker 1: like looking at ten day forecasts, but then at trying

2391
02:08:15,320 --> 02:08:18,520
Speaker 1: to extrapolate out days from that ten day forecast, which

2392
02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:20,160
Speaker 1: is a nerve wracking experience.

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Speaker 3: Man, there's other things be spending your time on Steve.

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Speaker 1: No I like, I check it every morning. I do too,

2395
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:30,960
Speaker 1: taking my little girls over there to Wisconsin. Right now,

2396
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:33,720
Speaker 1: the last the farthest out date I can look at

2397
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:37,120
Speaker 1: is a doozy. It is a turkey killing madman. But

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02:08:37,120 --> 02:08:44,240
Speaker 1: it's by my man, if that turkey season open on

2399
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:47,600
Speaker 1: that day, that'd be a good day at turkey hunting.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, all right. I hope everybody out there, uh

2401
02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:57,000
Speaker 1: gets out and gets after some birds this spring. Check

2402
02:08:57,040 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 1: your trail.

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02:08:57,480 --> 02:09:02,680
Speaker 7: Camps, sir, on public land in Kansas.

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02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:06,080
Speaker 1: Shot you're seeing any trail KANSA on public land in Kansas.

2405
02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:08,480
Speaker 1: Shoot them all, everybody, thank you?

2406
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Speaker 10: Oh right A Ride on land on the seal, gray,

2407
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:36,720
Speaker 10: shine like silver in the sun. Ride ride on alone,

2408
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:38,280
Speaker 10: sweet heart.

2409
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:44,040
Speaker 12: Were done beat this damn horse to death, taking a

2410
02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:44,640
Speaker 12: new one.

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Speaker 3: Ride.

2412
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:55,000
Speaker 12: We're done beat this damn horse today, So take a

2413
02:09:55,120 --> 02:10:02,360
Speaker 12: new one and ride on.