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Speaker 2: Tie Dan Rubinstein, Welcome back to our home bases. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Sir, welcome back. How you feeling. I feel good.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget again, Verballers, dot com is where you can

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: I think our guys did a good job. Our guys

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Speaker 2: Let us know your thoughts on the ap pole, on

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Speaker 2: the verbal or pole solid Verbo at Gmail dot com

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Speaker 1: We would like to get your input on who is

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Speaker 2: Dan, let's do some conference power rankings. We're now through

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Speaker 3: Can we sort of include thoughts about Week five in this?

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, so let's do it like that.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, so, why don't starting the SEC, since that

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Speaker 3: country and the A people and number six in the

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Speaker 3: in the SEC.

439
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Speaker 2: For you, that's right, Okay, that's where I've got it.

440
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 2: And then after Texas, who I have sixth I have

441
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: LSU at seven, Vandy at eight, Missoo at nine, Oklahoma

442
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: at ten, And the logic there was Oklahoma five in

443
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: the country, five in the country, and I don't care.

444
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: This is yours, this is your I appreciate.

445
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: It, this is in the moment. And the truth of

446
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: the matter is that Oklahoma is a great defense and

447
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: Oklahoma is way better than they were a year ago.

448
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: But Oklahoma is going to be without their best player

449
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: for the next month now. Michael Hawkins Junior is not green,

450
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: he is not new to this. He played a fair

451
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: amount last season. They seem to have a great confidence

452
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: in him. But I still don't think it's the same team.

453
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: So I'm going to knock Oklahoma for that. That's why

454
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: I've got them as low as I do. That may

455
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 2: be unfair, I really don't care. These are my opinions

456
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: at this point in time. Okay, Missouri is another one

457
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 2: of these schools. I had no idea where to go

458
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: with Missouri. I like Missoo Massoo's look really good. Missou

459
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: hasn't played anybody. I struggled with them a lot.

460
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: That seems reasonable.

461
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then after Oklahoma, then you start getting into

462
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: teams where I truly don't know where they stack up.

463
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 2: There's a lot of potential here, I think at the

464
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: bottom still for some of these teams to really take

465
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: a jump. I still think Florida has a lot of talent,

466
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: though I don't think they're organized enough to really mount

467
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: any kind of charge. Auburn very much falls in that

468
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: same category of having a lot of talent, but it

469
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: just feels like they leave us wanting week in and

470
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: week out a great Mississippi State. I don't know how

471
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: high to be on Mississippi State. I've got them all

472
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Speaker 2: the way down here, what is this fourth from the bottom.

473
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Speaker 1: But here here's the idea.

474
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Speaker 3: The idea of a power ranking is a snapshot of

475
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: how you're feeling about them right now, not necessarily how

476
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: you anticipate that. I know, I know how you anticipate

477
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: feeling about them in mid November.

478
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: I have struggled with Mississippi State when I put this

479
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 2: list together, because there is a fair amount of me

480
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: trying to convince myself that they should be higher and

481
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Speaker 2: not lower. But then I look at the other schools

482
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Speaker 2: around them, and I cannot in good faith put them

483
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Speaker 2: above a school like in Oklahoma.

484
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Speaker 1: But it's not a projection. I understand that. Yeah, so

485
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: I struggle with that.

486
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: And then to round out the bottom, I've got South Carolina, Arkansas,

487
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: and Kentucky. I'm probably too low in South Carolina. I'll

488
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: just agree its out there. I'm probably way too well

489
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: in South Carolina. But again, if I am putting a

490
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: against B B, against c C against D neutral site,

491
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: this is how I would probably grade these teams out.

492
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Speaker 3: Okay, So what is it about Auburn that has you

493
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Speaker 3: impressed with them enough to have them over Mississippi State

494
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: in South Carolina? It is I guess this deep balor

495
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: a month ago and didn't done nothing since they.

496
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: Have been close? Okay, Okay, close. Close is definitely not

497
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: a stat that we track too much.

498
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: Is there a close bowl like close playoff? Right that?

499
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Speaker 3: Like we have the regular one and then we're reserving

500
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: these other twelve for teams who are just like, I

501
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: know you guys went three and the.

502
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: One score playoff. It'll be Auburn, It'll be Nebraska from

503
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: last year.

504
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: It'll be a few years ago, yeah, a few years ago.

505
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: It'll be a usc from a year ago.

506
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: When Nebraska was the best three and nine team ever,

507
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: right right.

508
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: So I struggle with the Auburn side of this as well,

509
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: because Auburn has been close. I still like the talent

510
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: that Auburn has, especially on defense, but I just I'm

511
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: at the point now where I'm ready to write Jackson

512
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: Arnold off.

513
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Speaker 1: I don't think this is going to work. And he's

514
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: better as a runner than a thrower. For sure.

515
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: There are moments of good productivity out of him, but

516
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: to say that he is this steadying force to your

517
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: point at the start of the year, Auburn is not

518
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: generally the place you go to like turn things around

519
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: because it's a stable program.

520
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: Buddy, Aubret, It's not the place.

521
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: Auburn's not the place you go to get a single

522
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: first down on third or fourth down against Texas A

523
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: and M for fourteen to six.

524
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: That.

525
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who else.

526
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 3: Likes the talent on Auburn's defense. Texas A and M's offense,

527
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: who move the ball the entire game all of the time.

528
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: They just came up short in the red zone. So

529
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: I think you are probably leaning on your Auburn, your

530
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: August Auburn opinion.

531
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: A little bit much. I'll admit it.

532
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: I would have Mississippi State in South Carolina higher here.

533
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: Florida in the bottom half makes sense. I would have

534
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: Oklahoma a lot higher than you have them, because the

535
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: snapshot is they've beaten Michigan and a not so good

536
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: Auburn team kind of barely. But that's you got to

537
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: win your games. I would have Vandy higher here. What

538
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: has Vandy not shown you against their schedule?

539
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: That's do you put Vandy above Texas? Yes? Wow? Yeah,

540
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: you put Vandy in the top five? I think so.

541
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're in America's top fifteen, top sixteen, right, Okay.

542
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: Now listen, I would have I understand that this is

543
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: going to be drastically different from the the ap pole

544
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: and probably what a lot of people think, but I

545
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: don't really care.

546
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Sure you know my logic, that is my logic.

547
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have Texas A and M higher, Like

548
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: why Georgia at number two? I bit about what Georgia's

549
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: season this year, that, like the winning at Tennessee, is

550
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: a legit, very good thing. Sure, they did everything they

551
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: could to lose that game.

552
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: They did, they did, but they I think showed a

553
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: lot of resolve coming back winning in the manner that

554
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: they did. There is part of me that is still

555
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: intoxicated by that throw that Gunner Stock.

556
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: You're one of Humphreys. I loved it. It was incredible.

557
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: They just lost.

558
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: They just lost to a team at home who didn't

559
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: score a single point in the second half. Right, correct,

560
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: that's your second best team in the SEC.

561
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: That's my second best team. I think you're.

562
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: Stiffing way too much red and black.

563
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: All right, then tell me your top five. I would

564
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: go right now, right now.

565
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 3: I would go maybe A and M one, Okay, Alabama two, Ole,

566
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: Miss three, Vandy four, Tennessee five, Texas six, Oklahoma seven,

567
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: Miszoo eight, LSU nine, or I didn't put Georgia in there.

568
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: Georgia would probably be six or seven, Georgia sixteen, Georgia sixteen, Okay,

569
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: so something in that range. I would have Mississippi State

570
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: higher than Auburn and Florida and South Carolina higher than

571
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: Auburn and Florida at the moment. Okay, that's fair, people,

572
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: I do need I do agree with you that we

573
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: need to see something from Miszoo. Like when you actually

574
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: watch LSU football games, you come away thinking Brian Kelly

575
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: has messed this offense up. Like they are an extremely

576
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: average program right now because of this offense. And I

577
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: don't know how injured Garrettnsmeyer is or is not, but

578
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: they have not developed an offensive line over the course

579
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: of Brian Kelly's tenure. They're dealing with injuries obviously on offense.

580
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: Aaron Anderson went down against Like, this is a borderline

581
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: inept offense at LSU.

582
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: And I think what's the most confounding to me on

583
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: the LSU offensive line front?

584
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got guys drafted.

585
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: You know, these guys that they had on the line

586
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: last year, A bunch of them got drafted. The fact

587
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: that they were good enough to be drafted into the

588
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: league but not good enough as a unit playing together, Yeah,

589
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: speaks to I think something on the coaching side. If

590
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: you can't get those guys to mesh and play together

591
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: and all be on the same page, it is not

592
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: a talent thing that points directly at a coaching thing,

593
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: and I think that's definitely problematic.

594
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: It could be call HM a columb They couldn't run

595
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: with their line last year, Like Will Campbell's a great

596
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: offensive lineman, but this unit couldn't push dudes forward. No,

597
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's a combination of factors here,

598
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's an over like. It's not

599
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: a skill talent thing. The best of Garrett us Myers

600
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: really good. He was just under throwing dudes against Ole

601
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: Miss like they're just they're off. It's a very flimsy

602
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: offensive plan and a mode of execution. So yeah, I

603
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: would have I think LSU is a very average SEC

604
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: team at the moment, which is where power rankings should

605
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: come into play. So take care of business against quality teams,

606
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: against average teams, against not so good teams like Vandy

607
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: has and you impress me. At the end of September,

608
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: if we're doing this exercise again at Halloween, at Thanksgiving, whatever,

609
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: it's just going to look different because of the data available.

610
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: But this is what we have to go on. It's

611
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: what we have to go on.

612
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: Give me your power ranking for the Big ten at

613
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: time of recording. Again, we're recording this on Monday, September

614
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: the twenty ninth.

615
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: Oregon, Ohio State Penn State are my one, two three.

616
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: I have Penn State ahead of Indiana based on their

617
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: performance against my number one, and that's it, right. I

618
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: think their talent level. I believe their talent level on defense,

619
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: which is he's been really strong this entire year. They're

620
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: asked to do a lot against Oregon when the offense

621
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 3: wasn't doing anything against the Ducks and generally held up

622
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: really well. I don't think it was on the Penn

623
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: State defense that they lost that game. So I think

624
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: Penn State ceiling because of their defense, the way they

625
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: performed against my number one. I have Penn State ahead

626
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: of Indiana, who struggled to play like a top three

627
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: Big Ten team against Iowa, a decent but very flawed

628
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: Iowa team because of their offense. So I am impressed

629
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: with what Indiana did against Illinois, especially in the wake

630
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: of Illinois beating USC. But Illinois tried everything they could

631
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: to give away that USC game at the same time,

632
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: that's right, So I think Indiana at four to me

633
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: is pretty defensible. If you are positive they're better than

634
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: Penn State, we will get to see it on the field,

635
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: will we not?

636
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: We will?

637
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: Okay, So do you disagree? No?

638
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't.

639
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: I mean I did go back and forth on Penn

640
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: State in Indiana, and I think even on the sheet

641
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: that I shared with you, I had Indiana over Penn State.

642
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: But I think cooler heads on this side have prevailed

643
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: a little bit, and I'm still inclined to go.

644
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Penste I mean Penn State. The way that they.

645
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: Fought back against Oregon, who might be the best team

646
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: in the country, could well be the best team in

647
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: the Big Ten.

648
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: That was impressive.

649
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: It really was impressive because, as you know, we were

650
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: in the stadium, it felt when they went down seventeen

651
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: to three like they were dead. Yeah, so something woke

652
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: them up and lit a match and got them back

653
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: into that thing and they damn near won the game.

654
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: Penn State deserves some credit for that. So I still

655
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: I think by nose we give them the nod over Indiana.

656
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: But Indiana for me is a clear fourth. Then at

657
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: that point, okay, fair enough.

658
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: I then go Michigan Illinois USC with my next three.

659
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: I agree with that ordering.

660
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't put USC ahead of Illinois, even though

661
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: I believe the best of USC is better than Illinois.

662
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: I believe if those two teams played on a neutral

663
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: field ten times, the USC would probably win six or

664
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: seven times. But Illinois literally just beat them.

665
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: They literally just beat them.

666
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: And if we are doing a little bit of a

667
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: look back at this game, I mean this was back

668
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: and forth and USC had the lead lead, Yes, what

669
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: was your.

670
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: Probably too early late. They left them a little lot

671
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: of time, left them little too much time.

672
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: This was not exactly a banner showing by the vaunted

673
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: USC defense, which I had mentioned on I guess our

674
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: previous episode that they looked a lot better to me,

675
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: and I've been saying that all year.

676
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: They didn't look great. Well they were.

677
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: They were also down there like all conference caliber safety

678
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: and Kamari Ramsey I think was that with food poisoning,

679
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: which man you choose something to wake up with or

680
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: to be held out of a game with. That's about

681
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: as horrible as it gets.

682
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: Right Here's like I've been out of control of my body.

683
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: No talk about insult to injury. Feel bad for him.

684
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: Hope he's able to Uh, he should be able to

685
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: remember by next.

686
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: Week when you went back and did the watch though

687
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: of Illinois USC.

688
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: What was your reaction?

689
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: Illinois looked a lot more creative on offense, a lot

690
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: more motion, a lot more like, let's do the boring

691
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: thing and hit like an open swing pass to what

692
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: was it Fagan for the long touchdown run, where like

693
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: they didn't anticipate that being a sixty five seventy yard

694
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: run or whatever it was, or you know, catch and run,

695
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: but they took what was there. Luke Altmeyer looked played

696
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: a lot more fearlessly, it seemed against USC. And on

697
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: the sc side, like they lost their starting center. I

698
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: believe in the first half they're already down their starting

699
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: left tackle. And it sort of showed in the run

700
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: game that they just over Lincoln Riley's tenure at USC.

701
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: Like at best, the offensive line results have been up

702
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: and down. At absolute best, there have been some absolute

703
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: lows on the offensive line. And I thought Jade Mayava

704
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: looked good. I thought it was really good. Obviously mackay

705
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: Lemon looked out standing. Yeah, front on defense, USC just

706
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: isn't ready to compete. They got pushed around by Illinois

707
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 3: way too much. And you know it's a slop factor

708
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: with USC. The penalties, you know, those big moment penalties.

709
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: Once again, I don't know how many penalties they have

710
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: in this game. I had to pull it up, but

711
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: there were a bunch. Yeah, they just they were playing

712
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: sloppy football. And even if you think Illinois is only

713
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: okay at home after a bad loss, you know they're

714
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: going to be juiced up a little bit and that

715
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: USC couldn't win this game, both scoring late and with

716
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: Illinois turning the ball over. And by the way, credit

717
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: the USC defense for turning the ball over. But it's

718
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: just hard to lose a game in which you get

719
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: two red zone turnovers, so you're erasing fourteen points off

720
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: the board from Illinois and Illinois still wins. So you know,

721
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: stop me if you've heard this one before, But USC

722
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: lost an absolutely winnable game on the road because of

723
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 3: how sloppily they played late. Like that's just the story

724
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: with USC. They have many more games to reverse that

725
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: this season. But I don't know, Illinois sort of did

726
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: more boring things well than USC, and they've been dealing

727
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: with their own injuries, so you can't use that as

728
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: an excuse. USC just has to, like I don't know,

729
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: bounce back and have a very short memory because it's

730
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: not a short season.

731
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Like.

732
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: There are some definite landmines on the schedule for USC.

733
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: They have, you know, Nebraska and Michigan and Notre Dame

734
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: and Oregon. So if you want to avoid seven to five,

735
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: eight and four that starts yesterday.

736
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, eight penalties by the way for those playing

737
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: along at home.

738
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: So you've got USC at seven. Yeah. My hunch is that.

739
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: Since we agreed on that top seven for the most part, yeah,

740
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: the remaining teams, the remaining eleven teams, we're gonna have

741
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: a fair amount of disagreement on. Why don't we start

742
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: at the very bottom, right, UCLA second from the bottom,

743
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: Northwestern Perdue, Perdue, Okay, and then Northwestern Northwestern won a

744
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: game okay in the Big ten, I mean, and then Wisconsin.

745
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: Wisconsin, Yes, I think that's right.

746
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: Actually, is there anything that they've done to merit a

747
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: higher number.

748
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: No.

749
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: I have Michigan State here, not that I think their

750
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 3: Boston College win is all that crazy, but I thought

751
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: they competed really nicely in LA in a weird time

752
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: spot for them, So I'm going to credit them there.

753
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: Okay, US Ruckers above them, yep, Maryland next, No, No, Minnesota.

754
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: Minnesota below Maryland. Yes, I mean what has Maryland done

755
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 3: this season for you to knock? I mean, their offense

756
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: hasn't been great, but they've done really well with a

757
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: young defense and they've won.

758
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: They have one, they have one.

759
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: I mean that you gotta got to give them some

760
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: credit there. So I have them a little bit higher

761
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: than you. I think that's fair.

762
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: One of the interesting stats that I pulled when I

763
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: was going through and looking at just passer grades and

764
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: things of that nature, because I like to look at

765
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: that stuff and again, you know, take some of that

766
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: stuff with a grain of salt. I mean, yeah, PFF's

767
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: been talking up CJ. Carr and they give them a

768
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: horrible grade. So there's there's a bit of conflict there.

769
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: I think it's some of the scores that I see.

770
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: But one thing that doesn't seem to be in too

771
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: much conflict is the fact that Drake Lindsay is the

772
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: highest graded passer in the Big Ten. He's slightly ahead

773
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 2: of Dante more Jade Mayava, and he's put the numbers up.

774
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: He's obviously had a really really good season. I'm curious

775
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: to see as the season goes on if that manifests

776
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: is a big upset at some point along the way,

777
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: or if Minnesota can kind of get over, you know,

778
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: a hump or two and get to maybe a different level.

779
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: But a nice win this past weekend against Rutgers thirty

780
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: one to twenty eight and the eighth in caliac Manus Bowl.

781
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: Yes, No, he's been pretty good. Drake Lindsay's been pretty good.

782
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: This hasn't been an especially explosive offense. Obviously, dealing with

783
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 3: injuries in the backfield doesn't help. But I don't think

784
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 3: I'm as high.

785
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, that's fine.

786
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: So you got are you taking Julian Saying and Dante

787
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: more behind Drake Lindsay? Uh, probably not, but Mon Williams

788
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: but also yeah, definitely better supporting casts. Also better supporting casts.

789
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: All right, so you've.

790
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: Got Maryland, Ijava, you've got Maryland ahead of Minnesota.

791
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: I've got Maryland ahead of Minnesota. They're winning. Their schedule

792
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: has not been great, but they're winning. And Minnesota scored

793
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: thirteen points at Cal and they might got Cal's fine,

794
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: but they've got a big home game this weekend with

795
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: Washington traveling cross country. Yeah, that could be interesting. We'll

796
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: talk about that one a little bit later. All right,

797
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: So who is next up after Maryland? Then whos I

798
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: have Iowa above Maryland right there. Okay, So if you're

799
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: going Iowa above Maryland, I'm assuming you've got Washington. I

800
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 3: mean it's just Washington and Nebraska left. Yes, I have

801
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: Washington above Iowa, Nebraska above Washington.

802
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you score.

803
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 3: Zero touchdowns at home against the best team arguably on

804
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: your schedule. They have both Ohio State and Oregon. That

805
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: tells me you have some work to do because the

806
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: defense isn't there. If you're gonna win, it's gonna be

807
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 3: with offense, and the offense isn't there.

808
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: So where are we.

809
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: Iowa's neck and neck with Rutgers. So I think they

810
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: should be right around Rutgers in the medy middle of this.

811
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: That's why I have them there. I still think Washington's

812
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: ceiling is higher than Iowa's, so I have them there.

813
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 3: I thought Nebraska acquitted itself really well against the number

814
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: five team here in Michigan. The offense is improved. I'm

815
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: still not crazy about it, but it's undoubtedly looks improved.

816
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: And Dylan Royola has gotten better. I'm not a Royola guy.

817
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: Now, hold on not pausit right there, paus right please.

818
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: You've been taking some arrows about your thoughts in Dylan Roola. Yes,

819
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to give you a chance to clarify where

820
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: you're coming from.

821
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: With Riola, he's got a terrible offensive line, but he

822
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: also holds onto the ball too long, maybe because he

823
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: anticipates his offensive line being bad on every snap. They're

824
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: bad a lot, they're not bad on every snap. And

825
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 3: so it's this weird I don't know, self fulfilling prophecy

826
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: sometimes with him that he holds on too long. The

827
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: receivers are fine, the running back is good. I just

828
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: think there were there are too many disastrous, potentially disastrous

829
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: throws from him because of like footwork that goes in

830
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: and out and had an opportunity to the end of

831
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: that Michigan game and it just wasn't happening. And there's

832
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: like this weird combination of insanely impressive arm talent, raw footwork,

833
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: fear of an offensive line that has led him down

834
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: a bunch that I just don't think it's a cocktail

835
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: I'm ordering at the college football bar right now. And

836
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: so it's a long season he has, like you just

837
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: watch him play. He's definitely improved from where they were, sure,

838
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: but the decision now to like go to Nebraska and

839
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: look look at Matt Ruhle and say, I trust you

840
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: to figure out an offensive architecture and vision for me,

841
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: it's not a great decision. Obviously. I understand his family

842
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: connection to Nebraska, but it doesn't seem like that's the

843
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: place to go to and that's the coach to play

844
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: for if you are looking to become a top flight quarterback.

845
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: So the best of him is really good. The ups

846
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: and downs are just not anything that I would have

847
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: fun with if I were a Nebraska fan. I know

848
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: they're they're throwing like numbers at me, like these counting numbers.

849
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: All the counting stats, Dan, all the count the total yardage,

850
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: the yeah, don't we've graduated.

851
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: He's not bad.

852
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't like to have him as my quarterback

853
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: given the uh what what you don't know what you're

854
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: getting that's barely English. The the the lack of let's

855
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: let's call it, the lack of consistency from anything and

856
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: figuring out how to best use him, and for him

857
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: to just sort of have a better plan when he's

858
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: looking at defenses.

859
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: It's not for me, Okay, fair, I'm definitely a higher

860
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: on him than you are.

861
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fine. USC has an opportunity to move up.

862
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: Washington has an opportunity to move up. All these teams do.

863
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: Michigan has an opportunity.

864
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: To fall flat.

865
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely they do. But that's where I stand with the

866
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: big ten.

867
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: Over in the ACC.

868
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: Yes, the ACC is both easier and harder to grade out.

869
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: Miami is one. Miami is the clear number one.

870
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: After you get Virginia eraser.

871
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: But okay, after you get past Miami, that's when it

872
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: gets weird. Okay, that's when I think You've got a

873
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: number of teams you can put in any order and

874
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: it goes pretty deep. I've got Georgia Tech two. I've

875
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: still got Florida State three.

876
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: I'm already differing.

877
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: I've got Louisville four, and I've got Duke five.

878
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: Okay, I have Miami. Louisville winning is boring, but it's

879
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 3: better than losing. Sure, Louisville has won. Florida State looks

880
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: sloppy at Virginia, the errors leading to Virginia touchdowns. Obviously,

881
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 3: the game ended on an error for Florida State after

882
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: that kind of performance. With what Virginia's offense did against

883
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: Florida State, I'm just not there. With Florida State at

884
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: number two. I have them number three. Okay, I actually

885
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: have Virginia behind them because of Virginia's lost obviously to

886
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: NC State.

887
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: If I recall it correctly, you tell me you have

888
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: Virginia in the top five. Yes, WHOA come? Well, here's

889
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: the thing.

890
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: If you beat number two or number three or number one,

891
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 3: you gotta be pretty good. I have Virginia ahead of

892
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech. Who's number two? You're Virginia at number two. No,

893
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: Louisville's number of those number two, Virginia three, No, Florida

894
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: State at three, Virginia at four. Obviously Florida State has

895
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: lost to Virginia. And I'm being sort of a hypocrite here.

896
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: So Illinois USC, I understand if you disagree with any

897
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: of this, My answer to you is.

898
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right.

899
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: You're probably I don't know you're probably right, but you know,

900
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: I sat and thought about it, and my brain has

901
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: limited capacity and limited growth potential.

902
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: So here we are. What do you have? So then

903
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: I have Georgia Tech at five?

904
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So we kind of have the same teams there.

905
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: Now I've got Duke at five, ahead of Clemson at six,

906
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: and then Clemson ahead of Virginia.

907
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: I have, yeah, Duke, Clemson, and then Cal.

908
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get to Cal in a second.

909
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, my thinking here with putting Duke above Clemson. I

910
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: still like Clemson's talent. I and Clemson is a preseason one.

911
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: But they're one and three mm h. And at some

912
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: point they're screaming who they are?

913
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: You gotta believe them?

914
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: Correct It doesn't seem likely high for Clemson at the moment.

915
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, it's hard not to like the talent,

916
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: it's hard not to like the veteran presence, it's hard

917
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: not to like just the pedigree of the program. But

918
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 2: one in three is screaming one and three. And we've

919
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: watched this team all year. They can't get their act

920
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: together on offense at times, have gotten pushed around on defense.

921
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: They just like, even that one in the one and

922
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: three was it all that impressive? I know, I know

923
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: absolutely they were losing at one point in that game. Yeah,

924
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: so I'm obviously going to be down on Clemson compared

925
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: to where I was in the preseason.

926
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: But Duke.

927
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: If nothing more, Duke feels much more organized. We know

928
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: that Duke is finding ways to put up points. I

929
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: think generally we still like their philosophy on defense, even

930
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: if we haven't always seen it this season. So for me,

931
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: Duke just has their act together a lot more. I'm

932
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: not going to bottom out on Clemson, but I'm not

933
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: going to put Clemson in my top what it is

934
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: a six, Duke is going to be five Clemson at so.

935
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: There's very little argument to put Clemson in your top

936
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: nine or ten.

937
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: Now I understand that. I understand it.

938
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: And this is based solely on the August Clemson that

939
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: I tried to paint that picture when we did our.

940
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: Career you had if you had no prior knowledge of

941
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: any of these teams and you just landed here from

942
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: Neptune and you're like, all right, I'm looking at what

943
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm looking at. Let's see who's who and what's what Clemson?

944
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: Where would Clemson be? I know, I know this something

945
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: doesn't have a Power Conference win.

946
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: This is based.

947
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: Almost exclusively on my preseason prediction, which went up and

948
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: smoke almost immediately.

949
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: Clemson's thirteen or fourteenth. If you're looking at it like that.

950
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: I've got Virginia right after Clemson, ahead of SMU, ahead

951
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: of pitt, ahead of NC State, ahead of Wake Forest.

952
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: Okay, we're starting to get a little different here. So

953
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: after Mike Clemson, I have cal NC State, Virginia Tech.

954
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: You're really high on tech.

955
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm not really high on tech and tech. This is

956
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 3: a very stupid conference.

957
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: Well it is, and this is why I say, after

958
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: that initial wave of five or six teams, it starts

959
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: to get really weird. I think we find ourselves in

960
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: this situation often with the ACC. We joke about it

961
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: here about like we can never remember who plays whom right,

962
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: But truly, you get past that top six and there

963
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,479
Speaker 2: are a bunch of teams that kind of feel the same.

964
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I mean, I

965
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: do think that is in part why the ACC is

966
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: so damn interesting. It was like this a little bit

967
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: last year. It's even more of the case this year.

968
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of big twelve in the ACC where

969
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: it feels like anybody can be at anybody almost at

970
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: any time, doesn't matter where they can played.

971
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean you talk about that was the

972
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 3: ACC coastal that was always just a mix and match

973
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: of six and six, seven and seven, five and seven teams.

974
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: That's what we sort of have after Miami, Louisville, Florida State,

975
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Outside of that

976
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: top grouping of five or six teams. Yeah, yeah, it

977
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: kind of feels like that way throughout. So let me

978
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: read the rest of this off to you.

979
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: Okay.

980
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 3: So where I am with my is cal NC State,

981
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech. Okay, even though Virginia Tech did just beat

982
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: NC State, I hear you.

983
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 2: I have cal Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, North Carolina,

984
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: Stanford round out mine. By the way, full disclosure, I

985
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: forgot Stanford on the initial document I put together.

986
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: That's what I think of Stanford.

987
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, cal to me, though, was a team call

988
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: in wake Forest with the two teams that I had

989
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: no idea what to do with.

990
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I can help.

991
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: I think wake Forest is going to be damn plucky.

992
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: Okay.

993
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: Wake Forest could have beaten Georgia Tech. Probably should have

994
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: been Georgia Tech. But there is another entry in your

995
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: close playoff.

996
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: Another entry in the close playoff. They could be an

997
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: eight seed, but Wake Forrest is a team. I think

998
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: that's going to give many others in this conference white

999
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 2: knuckles throughout the course of the year trying to beat them.

1000
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: They will be in every game, which if you're a

1001
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: Wake fan, that's a plus you will take that.

1002
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.

1003
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 2: No idea what to make a cow. I love JKS.

1004
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: I think Cal is definitely better than they were a

1005
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: year ago.

1006
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1007
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: Cal, Also didn't they get shut out by San Diego

1008
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: State a week ago.

1009
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: Look, you don't just go into Snapdragon and expect to

1010
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: win time.

1011
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: You don't go in there maybe expecting to win, but

1012
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: you do go in there expecting to score something.

1013
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: You know.

1014
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: How do you know how difficult it is to give

1015
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: up thirty four points to San Diego State? This is

1016
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: a special Cal program?

1017
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: Did it san Diego State just lose six to three

1018
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: or or wins three over in Illinois?

1019
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I'm saying. It takes a special kind

1020
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: of program, right that. There's something in the air with

1021
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: Cal that you just have to reward that anything can

1022
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: happen with the Cal Golden Bears. So I can't put

1023
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: them too low because I'm just scared of him right now.

1024
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: I can't put him too low, but I can't put

1025
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: him too high. That's fine. So Cal beat a mid

1026
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 3: tier as we see it right now, Minnesota team comfortably.

1027
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: Cal just traveled across the country and beat probably a

1028
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: lower to mid tier ACC team in Boston College. I

1029
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: think it's hard to do just from a travel aspect

1030
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: if you're Cal. So I'm I'm impressed enough to put

1031
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: them at whatever I did, like eight.

1032
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: So you're telling me on a neutral field, you take

1033
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech over Cal. No.

1034
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: I have Cal head of Virginia Tech. Okay, I have

1035
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: Cal NC State than Virginia Tech after Clemson, and then

1036
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: I have Wake in SMU.

1037
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: You're pretty well in SMU. Tell me what.

1038
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: SMU has done this year typically where you're just like nothing,

1039
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 3: all right, you got to keep them in that top

1040
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: half nothing. They just haven't.

1041
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: No, they don't have a Power Conference win, right, No.

1042
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: So they're trying to tell us that they have some

1043
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: work to do.

1044
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: Next of teams on this list that I do not understand,

1045
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: I do not understand n C State. Okay, this means

1046
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: it's like year seven of me not understanding n C State.

1047
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: I have no idea NC State is. I don't know

1048
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: which direction they're headed. I expected more just when I

1049
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: think it is, Just when I thought it was safe

1050
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: to expect more, they're basically telling me to expect less.

1051
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 2: So they got to be somewhere, I think, bottom half

1052
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 2: of the conference, but not fully at the bottom, because

1053
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good team with a fair amount of talent,

1054
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: and for what it's worth, Pit's a kind of in

1055
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: the same category as well.

1056
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: Can't lose to Virginia Tech, right if you want, NC

1057
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: State as like a mid tier upper half team in

1058
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: the ACC. But they also did beat the team that

1059
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: beat Florida State.

1060
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: That's right into the ACC. That's what this is.

1061
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: But they gave a forty five to Duke, whereas you know,

1062
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: Duke has struggled on offense at times this year, and

1063
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 3: Duke is getting points. Duke has already won a couple

1064
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: of ACC games, and they handled a Syracuse team which

1065
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: we'll get to in a second, like they should have

1066
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: if Duke.

1067
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: Is pretty good. It was pretty good with with Ricky

1068
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: Collins and not Steve Vangeli.

1069
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again my my bottom five are Virginia Tech, Syracuse,

1070
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: Boston College, North Carolina, Stanford.

1071
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 3: Is there something Boston College has accomplished this year that

1072
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: has you higher on them than these other teams.

1073
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: Well, they're third from the bottom. I think they're better

1074
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: than North Carolina and I think they're definitely better than Stanford.

1075
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so have they accomplished not much, but they're

1076
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: still better than those teams.

1077
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: I have QS fifth after fifth from the bottom, after

1078
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: SMU just because of the quarterback situation, then Boston College,

1079
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: then Pitt, then North Carolina, than Stanford. So I have

1080
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: your ACC Conference championship Pitt Panthers as the third worst

1081
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: team in the conference. Boy again, Pitt has lost to

1082
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: arguably the worst Big Twelve team. We'll get there, and

1083
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 3: lost a winnable moment to a top tier team with

1084
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 3: a good defense, well maybe a good defense, and so

1085
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: Pitt is underwhelming right now to say the least.

1086
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Over in the Big Twelve.

1087
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: Yes, Iowa State one, No, Texas Tech one, Iowa State two,

1088
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: Iowa State two, Arizona State three, Arizona State three.

1089
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: Who the hell is fourth? Utah?

1090
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: But I don't feel good about it.

1091
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: I've got Baylor fourth, but I don't feel great either.

1092
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: Good luck, I know, I've got Baylor, TCU, BYU and

1093
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: then Utah.

1094
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: I've got Baylor further down, but again, if you think

1095
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: that's incorrect, I'm not going to argue with you on

1096
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: any of these picks. After probably the top three, So

1097
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: I have Utah four, BYU five, TCU six, and then

1098
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 3: I have Cincinnati, Kansas and Baylor. I'm not as high

1099
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: on Baylor as you are, as close as they were

1100
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: at home against Arizona.

1101
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 1: State, and you're pretty low in Houston. Apparently.

1102
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: I don't think much of Houston right now. If you

1103
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: need every single second to beat Oregon State, I don't.

1104
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: Know about you. Did you mention k State at all?

1105
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 3: I didn't, So I have that Baylor in four like eighth,

1106
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 3: and then I go Arizona, Kansas State UCF. Kansastation's beat UCF,

1107
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: which is good, but they've already lost Arizona as well,

1108
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 3: who did not look good against Iowa State.

1109
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: And then you round it out with what Oklahoma State

1110
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: in West Virginia.

1111
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: Colorado Okay, So Houston after UCF, Colorado, West Virginia, Oklahoma

1112
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: State okay, Colorado's two and three. West Virginia has the

1113
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: nice went against Pitt but they've otherwise been kind of donkey.

1114
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 3: And then Oklahoma State.

1115
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: Who actually had some fight against Baylor.

1116
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: I just feel like we're hurtling towards another four or

1117
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: five way tie in this conference.

1118
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: Same.

1119
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: I mean, it just I think it's inevitable that it's

1120
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: going to end up there. I feel better about Iowa

1121
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: State right now because it feels like among the teams

1122
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: at the top, they're the most trustworthy. And a lot

1123
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: of that falls on the arm of rock obecked Sure,

1124
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: who seems like he is playing with veteran poise and

1125
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: veteran leadership. And as the offense is coming along, which

1126
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: by the way, looked okay this past week right as

1127
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: the offense is coming along and kind of growing into

1128
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 2: this new form after losing two eleven hundred yard receivers,

1129
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: he has been a real steadying force. Now this is

1130
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: not to say they're blowing teams out.

1131
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: That they did blow out this this weekend against Arizona.

1132
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean they had a huge.

1133
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: Lead, but otherwise, separate from this win this past weekend,

1134
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: it's not like they're out there bowling the doors off teams.

1135
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: But I think they've definitely shown some veteran leadership and

1136
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 2: I feel good about that. I also feel good about

1137
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: what we have started to see from Arizona State. That said,

1138
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: this was not the most impressive win that we saw

1139
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: on Friday night. Yeah, like Sunny Dyke's put it best

1140
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: in the postgame that TCU kept shooting itself in the foot,

1141
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: they had three turnovers, they gave up six sacks. Arizona

1142
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: State was good enough to win despite the fact that

1143
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: if you look at the box score, they should have

1144
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: won by more. They outgained them by a five hundred

1145
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: to two seventy one margin. They still only beat TCU

1146
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 2: by three points. Yeah, I think the best of as

1147
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: was really interesting, but I also think that next four

1148
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: games should tell us everything because they're at Utah home

1149
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: against Texas Tech, home against Houston, and then on the

1150
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: road at Iowa State. The Houston conversation is also kind

1151
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: of interesting for me. Okay, Houston is off to their

1152
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: best start since twenty sixteen.

1153
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: I believe.

1154
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: Okay, they had a nice little fourth quarter come back here.

1155
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: I saw some fans online calling them the Cardiac Koogs,

1156
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: which is perfect.

1157
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: Sure. They ended up scoring fourteen points in the final

1158
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: six minutes to go to overtime to win this game

1159
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: against Oregon State, who's not good on Friday night, by

1160
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: a field goal.

1161
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: Right, it just feels like Houston. As I said when

1162
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: we did our previews way back, when Houston has a

1163
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: coach who knows what he's doing, that stands for something

1164
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: in my book. Agree, and this team is already leaps

1165
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: and bounds better than were a year ago. This is

1166
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: not to say they're one of the top teams in

1167
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: the conference, but I think they are good enough at

1168
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: present to influence the conversation the remainder of the way.

1169
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: It will have a bite at the apple against some

1170
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: of these teams in front of them, and if they

1171
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: dump one, if they dump two of them, that's going

1172
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: to have a real impact in a conference that could

1173
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: be decided by a mass tiebreaker.

1174
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: That's why I'm interested in Houston.

1175
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 3: Okay, they currently sit as the one hundred and thirtieth

1176
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: most efficient offense in America, I know, which is why

1177
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: I have them in the back half of the big Time.

1178
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: I understand that they beat Colorado's third string quarterback and

1179
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: they needed overtime to beat an zero to five Oregon State,

1180
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: So I just think it's better to win than lose.

1181
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: But the manner in which they're doing it doesn't leave

1182
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 3: me sweaty and hot and bothered.

1183
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: No. I mean, but case in point, this week at home,

1184
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: a twelve and a half point dog against Texas Tech

1185
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: come into town. Sure, I like Texas Tech a lot.

1186
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: I would think that point spread would be a little

1187
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: bit higher. It's not that tells me something in its

1188
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: own right.

1189
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:47,959
Speaker 3: Is the Texas Tech coming off of a bye?

1190
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: Yes?

1191
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: With quarterback questions? I mean Will Hammond was obviously very good,

1192
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: but we'll see.

1193
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: I would think that would be a bigger line. That's

1194
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: just me and another team that we mentioned I guess

1195
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: didn't mention enough is since it Addie. Cincinnati is actually

1196
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: favored by one at home against Iowa State this week.

1197
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 3: Which kind of makes sense. They've been very quietly competitive

1198
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: in that opening game loss against Nebraska. Who do they

1199
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 3: just beating the shootout Kansas?

1200
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1201
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: I think they can move the ball. I think they're interesting.

1202
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: They have the fourth most efficient offense in America. Cincinnati

1203
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: runs the hell out of the ball. They're throwing the

1204
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 3: ball really well. Their defense has been fine as long

1205
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: as you run at them and don't throw at them.

1206
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: That's right, because Jalen Daniels let them up. But I

1207
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: h Yeah, I think Cincinnati is a really good story.

1208
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: Right in sovereigbogio dot com. Let us know your thoughts

1209
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: on all of these power rankings and more. I want

1210
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: to hear yours.

1211
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: So there's almost no thought that you could offer up

1212
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: that I will disagree with other than Ty hilden Brand

1213
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 3: is not one of the most hundred handsome men.

1214
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: In this Wow. Thank you, Dan.

1215
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you can spare yourselves from calling a city.

1216
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: That's perfectly fine. We know that we already agree. We

1217
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: already agree with you, so it's totally cool. Just let

1218
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: us know in the comments or in the email box

1219
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: or on social media how you would rank these teams

1220
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 2: out why you disagree with us.

1221
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: It's all good, Okay, it's all good.

1222
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question?

1223
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Please?

1224
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: I know we have to look ahead to week six, right,

1225
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: can we go like just some stray thoughts from week

1226
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: five that we didn't have time to sort of get

1227
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: to in our power rankings?

1228
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1229
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: And on Saturday night, now that I've watched all of

1230
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: the games that I've tried to watch and read everything

1231
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: that I've tried to read, like, I just want the

1232
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 3: Ty hilden brandt like Monday Morning quarterback, like, here are

1233
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 3: some things I think. I think that's what I'm looking

1234
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: for from you.

1235
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: Tay, Okay, I don't know why.

1236
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: I sounded like Andy Rooney reading Peter King's call our

1237
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: segment title, but continue, Yeah.

1238
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean I went back.

1239
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: I watched I know we saw this one on Friday,

1240
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: but I went back and I watched that UVA win

1241
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: over Florida State. And what I find interesting about it is,

1242
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: of course it's going to be defined by the field storming,

1243
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: which is crazy and apparently everybody's okay, but it was

1244
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: like the wildest thing two milliseconds after the game is over,

1245
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: the entire crowds out on the field. That's going to

1246
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: define this game. But I think as a whole, the

1247
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: ACC season could well be defined by teams like Virginia

1248
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: having a real effect on the conversation.

1249
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: And we've already seen this a couple.

1250
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 2: Times over now, like a little over a week ago,

1251
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: Syracuse knocks off Clemson, they sent him to one and three.

1252
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech almost went down this week to Wake. We

1253
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: talked about that. YEP.

1254
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: I happen to think as we discussed that Miami's a

1255
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: clear number one. But they've now got a target on

1256
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: their back and they might be more immune to these

1257
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: types of losses given the strength of their lines, but

1258
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: they're certainly not invincible, and we've seen that in the past.

1259
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: We can get into that. We're going to do a

1260
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: preview and advanced preview here at that Florida State game

1261
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: in a few minutes, But the conversation and the teams

1262
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: that could affect it in a real meaningful way, both

1263
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: in terms of the conference in terms of the playoff,

1264
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: is I think where I'm thinking or going Charlottesville. Yeah,

1265
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm thinking a lot about that now as we've got

1266
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: a month into the season and UVA is one of

1267
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: those interesting teams. There are a bunch of those types

1268
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: of teams in the ACC, as we discussed in the

1269
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: power ranking. But for me, just going back, you're looking

1270
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: at at how they beat Florida State and how they

1271
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: looked against a team like Florida State. That to me

1272
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: is really really interesting in terms of how they could

1273
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: affect things moving forward.

1274
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: Virginia on Friday night was an elite cockroach. You think

1275
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 3: you're done with them. You couldn't just keep coming back,

1276
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 3: You couldn't kill them. Yeah, unkillable. Who's okay? I agree

1277
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 3: with you there just going through that. I don't know

1278
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 3: if you want to start at the top. I don't

1279
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 3: know if you've go on however you want to organize this.

1280
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 3: I have some things I think. I think, just based

1281
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 3: on watching some of these games, Ohio State on defense

1282
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 3: is incredible. What they did against Texas or what we

1283
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 3: you know, however you want to perceive Texas, what they

1284
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 3: did going to Washington, which is usually a very difficult

1285
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 3: place to play, uh, didn't seem super difficult. It seemed

1286
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: didn't seem like a crazy difficult environment. But you never

1287
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 3: know how people mix audio in the truck. But Ohio

1288
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: State seemed very comfortable. And I say, you know, I

1289
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 3: say that because I walked. I watched the TV version

1290
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 3: of the Whiteout game back and I was like, this

1291
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 3: is a terrible audio mix. They in no way captured

1292
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: the energy. So I don't know if it was just

1293
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: like the regular mixer for NBC in the truck sprained

1294
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: an ankle, and you know, it wasn't loud to mix.

1295
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: I do not think the crowd was loud enough. I

1296
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 3: did not think it captured what was going on in

1297
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: that stadium.

1298
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I don't know.

1299
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 3: If it was a microphone thing. I don't know if

1300
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 3: it was a mix thing. I don't know if they're

1301
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 3: you know, the director the producer was just like, this

1302
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 3: is how my broadcast should sound. I did not think

1303
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: it was indicative of the environment. I did not think

1304
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: NBC captured it.

1305
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: Well.

1306
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: Interesting, okay, Yeah.

1307
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: Did you think it was like it was like, oh,

1308
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: that's what it was like, I'm showing you this thing here.

1309
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: You can see it on my phone. Maybe you can,

1310
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: maybe you can't.

1311
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: Oh you have a decibel thing, Yeah, you can see

1312
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: on here that at spots it gets up to like

1313
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty decibels. Yeah, ear splitting in the

1314
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: stadium one of those deals where it feels like you're

1315
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: at a concert a little bit, and if it stays

1316
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: at that level your ears are ringing the next day

1317
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 2: or certainly the night after.

1318
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 3: It feels like you're working in a jamba juice.

1319
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did not pick that up from the highlights

1320
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: that I saw, but I didn't go back and rewatch

1321
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: the entire getme.

1322
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: I didn't think they did a good jump.

1323
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: Okay, what else you got?

1324
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 3: I mentioned LSU and offensive ineptitude. Conversely, ole Miss is good.

1325
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: Ole Miss is not perfect, far from it. I don't

1326
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 3: know what ole Miss is going to do if a

1327
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 3: team decides to run the ball well or just like

1328
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 3: really focus and game plan well on the ground against

1329
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: ole Miss, because this is a defense and I think

1330
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 3: can be had on the ground. That said, what they're

1331
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: able to do on offense, what they're able to do,

1332
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 3: weathering issues on offense, whether it's turnover issues or whatever.

1333
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 3: They I think it was Kaden Lee fumbled it into

1334
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: the end zone recovered by LSU. There's a certain amount

1335
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 3: of resilience and a certain amount of like, Okay, you're

1336
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 3: gonna give us this. Well, they get to Old Miss,

1337
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 3: and I think they're a really good team. So I

1338
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: thought that win was super impressive. I sort of alluded

1339
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: to this talking about Georgia and why you had them.

1340
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: Ranked number two.

1341
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: Got a lot of problems, man, I don't think the

1342
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: offensive line is all that good. You saw that in

1343
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: the big moments late when they had opportunities on the ground,

1344
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 3: whether it was Gunner Stockton or was.

1345
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: It Cash that they were handing it too late.

1346
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 3: I just thought there were issues on George's offense and

1347
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: you know, you'll have Georgia people screaming about Mike Bobo.

1348
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 3: I thought the defense did a nice job of justin

1349
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: Alabama in the second half. I thought ty Simpson was

1350
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 3: electric in that first half.

1351
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, do we not give Georgia some

1352
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt though? Four just for being Georgia.

1353
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,959
Speaker 2: More often than that they figure it out.

1354
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 3: But like that's your sort of like you know, somewhere

1355
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 3: in the air, Georgia is gonna be good and they're

1356
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 3: gonna grab the pixie dust out of the air. Like

1357
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: I don't see it. I think they're good. I just

1358
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: don't see that, like benefit of the doubt for what

1359
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 3: Jordan Davis did three years ago was realistic at this point, right,

1360
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 3: so fair enough. I thought Alabama bounced back really well.

1361
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 3: There was an Ty Simpson had one of the best

1362
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: throws of the year to Ryan Williams that Williams dropped

1363
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 3: and doesn't make me think any less of Ryan Williams

1364
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: at least because they won, so it didn't end up

1365
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: costing them in the long run. That the best of

1366
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 3: Ty Simpson. He's one of the best four or five

1367
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the country. He looks great, He looks great.

1368
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 2: And one of the things that I thought a lot

1369
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 2: about was how after Week one and that loss to

1370
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 2: Florida State, it was easy to wonder if they made

1371
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: the right decision right, if maybe they should have gone

1372
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: a different direction at quarterback. And what I think we're

1373
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: finding out, as we do every year, it seems we

1374
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: forget it is that.

1375
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: Week one is not real life. No it's not.

1376
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 2: It's not real life, and it's certainly not any more

1377
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: real life now that it counts less because of the

1378
01:06:59,160 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: playoffs setup.

1379
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 3: It can be the beginning of real life, but it

1380
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 3: should not be assumed.

1381
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: It should not be assumed. And what we have seen

1382
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: since from Ty Simpson, perhaps against teams that are lesser than.

1383
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: The one they played in Week one, I don't know.

1384
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it depends what you think of Georgia

1385
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 2: versus Florida State or some of the other schools that

1386
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: have been on that lineup. But he is definitely not

1387
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: the athlete of Jalen Milroe. But at the same time,

1388
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: he's probably a better quarterback for that system. They are

1389
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: a very one dimensional team right now. The way that

1390
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: they are building this thing that may not be bad

1391
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 2: and that might get them pretty far, and a lot

1392
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: of this is built around ty Simpson. And I think

1393
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: he is showing week in and week out why because

1394
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: he is very good. He's very good in the system,

1395
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: and he's super efficient. So I give a lot of

1396
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: credit to him. I give a lot of the credit

1397
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: to the coaching staff are building something that really really

1398
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: works with him because he's been very good.

1399
01:07:53,040 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Next, I like A and M because

1400
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: the best of A and M is super fun.

1401
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 3: Right. The way Marcel Reid played against Notre Dame, the

1402
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 3: way they ran the ball against Auburn at times was

1403
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 3: really like those running back There's an immense amount of

1404
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 3: talent in this A and M backfield Situationally, they're a

1405
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 3: wild team to root for A and M. On third

1406
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 3: down in the red zone, they were having issues like

1407
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 3: there needs to be like erase the whiteboard, let's come

1408
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 3: up with third down plays, let's come up with plan

1409
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 3: situation like that. That's what Colin Klein I think has

1410
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 3: in front of him right now. But otherwise they left

1411
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: points on the board against Auburn.

1412
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 1: For sure.

1413
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 3: The defense I think has improved since that Notre Dame game.

1414
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be and I don't love

1415
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 3: Auburn's offense, so to what degree, who knows, But I

1416
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 3: think A and M is for real in that they

1417
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 3: are going they have the ability to beat just about anyone,

1418
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 3: and they have the ability to lose and dumb ways

1419
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 3: to a lot of teams as well.

1420
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not fully there with A M's offense. That's fine.

1421
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 2: And I think what we saw on the I guess

1422
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 2: third week of the year, whatever it was when they

1423
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: squared off against Notre Dame, I also don't know how

1424
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 2: much of real life that was. I mean, I think

1425
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's defense is going to improve.

1426
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: They did improve this past weekend against against Arkansas, and

1427
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: I think will continue to see it improve at least.

1428
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just telling myself that.

1429
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious to see what the A and M

1430
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: offense looks like against other SEC defenses. You know, was

1431
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: scoring sixteen points against Auburn going to be more a

1432
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 2: trend or was that an aberration?

1433
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? That I don't know yet.

1434
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I like a lot of their talent, and

1435
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 2: I still really like what they could do on the ground,

1436
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 2: what they can be on the ground, But I feel

1437
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: a bit conflicted on the A and m sign The

1438
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: defense is legit. Defense is I love see caliber. The

1439
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: defense just gets off the field. Man. The defense is incredible.

1440
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 2: Mike Elko's done a really good job. I mean, the

1441
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 2: defense is going to take them very far, and they

1442
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 2: deserve to be in that top run of the power

1443
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 2: rankings for sure. But offensively, offensively, I feel like I've

1444
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: picked up some conflicting signals and I'm not sure what

1445
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: to believe yet.

1446
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 3: Indiana looks sloppy, but I guess that's to be. You know,

1447
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 3: that's understandable given where it was a letdown spot. It's

1448
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 3: at Iowa, which is very dangerous. They have Oregon coming up.

1449
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 3: It wasn't a sandwich spot. I don't think that game

1450
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 3: will define Indiana. Win your clunkers and lose Better's money.

1451
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 3: If you're Fernando Mendoza running into the end zone for

1452
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 3: a safety. By the way, the clock ran out like

1453
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: far be up but far before he ran into the

1454
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 3: end zone.

1455
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: He could have just slid down. But yeah, and he

1456
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: apologized to betters All that, Yeah.

1457
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 3: You mentioned the Iowa state came over Arizona. I don't

1458
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 3: have too much to add to that other than rock

1459
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 3: Oback look great, look really really strong. Mississippi State is

1460
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 3: a flawed team. Mississippi State is an improved team.

1461
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: There's a story of the year. They're one of the

1462
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: stories of the year.

1463
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely Tennessee had They were just sloppy on offense. Some

1464
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 3: of if it was self inflicted, some of it, you know,

1465
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 3: the Chris brasl offensive pass interference call, Like, if you

1466
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 3: thought it was a good call, I don't have a

1467
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 3: strong argument. If you thought it was a bad call,

1468
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 3: I don't have a strong argument. This is a lot

1469
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 3: of me sitting on the fence this episode. But it

1470
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: kind of looked like he shed the dude. Obviously he

1471
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 3: caught it and ran in for a touchdown that was

1472
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 3: called back. That was an incredibly losable game for Tennessee

1473
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 3: that they won. So good for Tennessee for pulling that out,

1474
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: But they're not going to be able to get away

1475
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 3: with playing like that for very much longer. No, So

1476
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 3: that was an interesting watch for me. What else do

1477
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 3: I have here? I didn't watch a ton of Georgia

1478
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 3: Tech Wake. I don't know if you have any lingering

1479
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 3: thoughts on that now.

1480
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: I mean, my lingering thought is just what I said

1481
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 2: in the run up to that game. Yeah, that Wake

1482
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 2: is going to be a pay in the ass. Yeah,

1483
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: They're going to be a pay in the ass.

1484
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 3: They needed to come back, Georgia Tech did.

1485
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think in underscore is something that

1486
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 2: you talked about with Georgia Tech in advance of this game,

1487
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: which was Georgia Tech is very good, Georgia Tech very tough.

1488
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech has a lot to like and they're a

1489
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: fun team to watch, but at present, they're not going

1490
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 2: to rip through the remainder of this schedule without taking

1491
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: a loss somewhere, right, and you know, whether it's Wake

1492
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 2: or whether it's somebody else. I mean, there are a

1493
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 2: bunch of plucky teams in this acc and somebody will

1494
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 2: dump Georgia Tech before long.

1495
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 3: Notre Dame against Arkansas, yeah thoughts.

1496
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 2: I mean speaking of real life versus not real life. Yeah,

1497
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: I don't know fully what we make of the Notre

1498
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: Dame offense at this point, but I am starting to

1499
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 2: get really excited about what I'm seeing. I mean, CJ.

1500
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 2: Carr looks incredible and he's getting better each week. Yeah,

1501
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to confuse Arkansas with any kind of

1502
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: brick wall of a defense. They just fired their coach okay,

1503
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 2: But what I really liked out of the Irish was

1504
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: that they went out there and they left no doubt.

1505
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 2: That's what we were waiting for for people who watch

1506
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, people who root on Notre Dame, even for

1507
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: people who are just interested casually in Notre Dame. Yeah,

1508
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 2: you were waiting for a moment like this where they

1509
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: went out there and they murdered someone, and they did it.

1510
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: They looked really good on the ground.

1511
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: CJ. Carr looked really good through the air. No notes

1512
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: on what they're doing on the offensive side of the ball.

1513
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: Defensively is where I think the biggest questions are, and

1514
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 2: defensively they answered the belt. They absolutely looked really, really

1515
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 2: solid against a good Arkansas offense. They might be in

1516
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 2: a bit of disarray, but they have good talent and

1517
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: I expected that they would have a lot more success

1518
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 2: against the Notre Dame defense that has been problematic. Notre

1519
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 2: Dame's defense was outstanding. They were outstanding in this game.

1520
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 2: It was a huge step forward. I would expect another

1521
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: step forward this coming week at home against Boise State.

1522
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 2: It's all building towards that USC game in mid October.

1523
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: That's really the big land mine that's still on the

1524
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: schedule for the Irish, but I think they understand what's

1525
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 2: in front of them. I like the fact that they're

1526
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: playing with real purpose and intention, especially on offense, and

1527
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: if the defense continues to improve, there are going to

1528
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: be other teams in front of them that lose. Notre

1529
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: Dame before a long could have a claim for that playoff.

1530
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: But yes, let's not put the cart before the horse.

1531
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 2: This is also not a finished product, but I think

1532
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: there are really strong indicators here that this is a team.

1533
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: Much like last year, right after Week two when they lose,

1534
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my gosh, which direction are they headed?

1535
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: They went on this incredible run down the stretch and

1536
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: they ended up finding their way eventually into the title game.

1537
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're going to do that again, but

1538
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: we have seen them before kind of build after a

1539
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: tough start to the season, make their claim, and then

1540
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: perform pretty well by the time all of a said

1541
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: and done, and I think we're kind of headed on

1542
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: that same course.

1543
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 3: Now, okay, old dominion is now three to one. Your thoughts.

1544
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 3: They did not get blown out by Indiana. They did

1545
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 3: beat Virginia Tech watch out for the Monarchs.

1546
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: Watch out the Monarchs.

1547
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 3: Any more stray thoughts. You know, Boise State wins, Stanford

1548
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 3: comes back and wins. Lenora Sellers was incredible against was

1549
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 3: You just constantly loved to see that. Memphis took care

1550
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 3: of business against FAU. I can just list all. You know,

1551
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 3: there's a million games anything else that when you look

1552
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 3: at the scoreboard, I know you want your San Diego

1553
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: State Northern Illinois deep dive. They did win that game,

1554
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,919
Speaker 3: only six to three. They didn't lose that game, that's right, correction.

1555
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 3: Yukon keeps on winning. Utah blew out West Virginia.

1556
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: The Utah West Virginia one was interesting to me. Actually yeah,

1557
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: they blew him out right away.

1558
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they just laid the wood and we

1559
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: both felt pretty good about Utah. But again, how do

1560
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 2: you respond? Is ever the question in college football, and

1561
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: I think more important now than ever before, because nobody

1562
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: is truly out of this thing until you're really out

1563
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 2: of it, right. And Utah to go on the road,

1564
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 2: even against the team like we West Virginia, that to

1565
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 2: me was impressive. Forty eight to fourteen was your final there?

1566
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: The big twelve to me, just it remains the most

1567
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 2: interesting conference. I truly don't know which end is up.

1568
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: I like Iowa State, I like Arizona State, like Texas Tech,

1569
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 2: everybody else. You could convince me one way or another. Yeah, Cincinnati, though,

1570
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,879
Speaker 2: is I think the team that I am watching closest,

1571
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: not just because the points spread this coming week is interesting,

1572
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 2: but that was a fun game last week. Man, fun

1573
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: game last week. They pull it out over Kansas thirty

1574
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: seven to thirty four. As you mentioned earlier, they're doing

1575
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: a lot well, and I think there are caveats with

1576
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati season that we saw in twenty twenty four

1577
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: that maybe made it hard to judge how good they

1578
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 2: were or weren't sure. But so far this season, I've

1579
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 2: liked what I've seen watching them closely.

1580
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 3: Here here's the caveat to tie statement. Not the pass defense.

1581
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 3: Kansas is an Emmanuel Henderson. I believe five catches for

1582
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen yards or.

1583
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: Yea not great as a pass defense, and that will

1584
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: certainly come back to bite them. But there are other

1585
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 2: aspects of the Cincinnati season so far that I'm I'm

1586
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 2: actually encouraged by.

1587
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: So you know plants better than I do? Well, no,

1588
01:16:59,200 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 3: you know birds better?

1589
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: Than I don't know a thing about playing.

1590
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 3: So the Big Tens associated with the Rose Bowl. Northwestern

1591
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 3: wins the Corpse Flower Bowl over Ucla.

1592
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: They were up seventeen zip, right, and then that's a

1593
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: hold on? Yeah, yeah, there you go. Well, preview a

1594
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: few games real quick. Let's do a couple early Bird special.

1595
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 2: We got two games this week of note here as

1596
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 2: part of our Early Bird Special. The first is a

1597
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 2: revenge game for the Alabama Crimson Tide. It is three

1598
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 2: point thirty on ABC. It is Vanderbilt, it is Alabama.

1599
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: Alabama's favored by ten and a half at home.

1600
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: Yes, correct.

1601
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: This is the second year in a row for Alabama

1602
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: where this game is in a huge letdown spot after

1603
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 2: a win against Georgia. This one happens to be at

1604
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 2: home in Tuscaloosa, which is helpful. I cannot imagine that

1605
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 2: Alabama is going to be sleeping on Vandy after what

1606
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: happened a year ago.

1607
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 3: Isn't game day going to be there?

1608
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: Game Day is going to be there. Yeah, They're not

1609
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 2: going to be sleeping on They're just not. If they

1610
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 2: can score seventy, they will. If you did not have

1611
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 2: a chance to go back and listen, if you're a

1612
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 2: Patreon subscriber, even if you're not. Two thursdays ago, we

1613
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: did a Vandy deep dive. The Vandy philosophy basically is

1614
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: to play slow, force their opponents to be super efficient.

1615
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 2: And what I find interesting in this matchup is that

1616
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: Alabama kind of does that too. Yeah, they both play

1617
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 2: very slow, and it feels to me like this is

1618
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: one of those games that you're going to look down

1619
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 2: at your watch and be like, wait, we played the

1620
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: entire first half in sixty three minutes.

1621
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: How did that happen?

1622
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: If you've got a scenario like that, it's a game

1623
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 2: that's moving quickly, it's two teams that generally are playing

1624
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 2: slower when they have the football. Ten and a half

1625
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: points feels like a lot to be in that scenario.

1626
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: Agree.

1627
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 2: So I came into this one thinking Bama is going

1628
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 2: to blow the doors off Bandy, it's a revenge spot.

1629
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: Out of this one feeling like Vandy's going to cover

1630
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 2: and they're probably going to keep it close. Just because

1631
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 2: of the play style of these two teams. Is that

1632
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: track for you?

1633
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: It does?

1634
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna take Vandy to win this game.

1635
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 2: Outright, outright If Vandy goes in the road and beats Alabamo.

1636
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: Where are they ranked next week? Are they top ten

1637
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: to top ten?

1638
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 3: It would have to be co ten.

1639
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: Okay.

1640
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 3: So my thing is, if Vandy were wearing a different uniform,

1641
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 3: if Vandy were wearing a Missoo uniform, if Andy had

1642
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 3: been wearing a Texas A and M uniform heading into

1643
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 3: the stadium this week, I think you would like them

1644
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 3: more with the way that they have performed. I just

1645
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 3: the way that they play and the way that they

1646
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 3: were able to It was like a blood letting last year, right,

1647
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 3: every third and three was converted, Every third and six

1648
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 3: was converted, every fourth and whatever that they played very deliberately,

1649
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 3: and Diego Pavia made plays. What are they doing this year?

1650
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 3: They're playing deliberately, Dave, Diego Pavia made plays. Now, they

1651
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 3: barely won that game last year. Alabama can't run the ball.

1652
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: Alabama's red zone defense has been very quietly atrocious this year,

1653
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 3: and Vandy just makes those high leverage plays over and

1654
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 3: over again with their thirty three year old quarterback. So

1655
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 3: right now, as it stands now, there have been some

1656
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 3: slow starts from Vandy. Right they were going back and

1657
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 3: forth with it. I think it improved Utah State team,

1658
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 3: but that's not a measuring stick type opponent for Vanny.

1659
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 3: And they pulled away and they scored whatever, fifty sixty points.

1660
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 3: I think Vanderbilt very specifically is in a very specific way,

1661
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 3: is dependable in a way that Bama is not. That

1662
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 3: Bama can come out and score a bunch of points,

1663
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 3: or Bama can come out and look like they're completely

1664
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 3: lost and may not even be playing the right players

1665
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 3: or playing the right team. That there's nothing terribly dependable

1666
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 3: about Alabama week to week. And it's the dependability of

1667
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: Vandy right now that I think gives them the edge.

1668
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 3: And I hate that Bama doesn't and can't run the

1669
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 3: ball well, like they counted on their quarterback these last

1670
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 3: couple of years, as they've been getting worse and worse

1671
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 3: at running the ball.

1672
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 2: And this is what I said earlier. I mean they

1673
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 2: profile as a one dimensional offense, their best running backs

1674
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: running from Michigan. It is ty Simpson and his offense.

1675
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 2: The pop is going to come through the air, not

1676
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 2: on the ground. Ty Simpson has been very good. I

1677
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 2: think we'll continue to see a game plan that revolves

1678
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: around him, especially since last year. The Achilles Heel for

1679
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: Vandy was a pass defense, and this is where I

1680
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 2: think it's an interesting test for both sides of this.

1681
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 2: The Vandy pass defense has been better so far, and

1682
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 2: we expected it to be better, but how much better

1683
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 2: are they really? We saw it against Charleston Southern, against

1684
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech and South Carolina, a Georgia State, Utah State

1685
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 2: a week ago. They don't have the same amount of

1686
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 2: pop out wide.

1687
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: They just don't.

1688
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: So this is an important test for them. And this

1689
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: is I think going to be a really important test

1690
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 2: as well for ty Simpson because this is I think

1691
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 2: a pretty disciplined Vandy team. Obviously they're up set, mind

1692
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: we saw it a year ago. Clearly this is a

1693
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 2: letdown potential spot for the Alabama Crimson Tide, even knowing

1694
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: that game is going to be in town and Vandy

1695
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: BEATAM last year.

1696
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,520
Speaker 3: Taylor debor only loses to Vanderbilt.

1697
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: Lose to Vanderbilt.

1698
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: So show me proof otherwise that that side of Alabama's

1699
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: offense and their philosophy and how they are building this

1700
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 2: thing up against a Vandy defense that we know what

1701
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: the problem spots were a year ago.

1702
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: They've been better.

1703
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 2: How do they equit themselves against an Alabama offense that,

1704
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 2: to me is going to be a fascinating chess match.

1705
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: The other thing that I would add here on the

1706
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: Vandy side, their offense is actually being really good this year.

1707
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 1: Very quietly. Yes, I mean it's quiet because of the opponents,

1708
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: but because of the opponent.

1709
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 2: But like our friend Bill Connelly from ESPN does the

1710
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 2: sp plus, it's opponent adjusted. He's got all sorts of

1711
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: voodoo that he does behind the scenes. He's got them

1712
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 2: right now, very early as the number six offense in

1713
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 2: the country m hm, which is better than Alabama's for

1714
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:02,480
Speaker 2: what it's worth. Now very early, I know, like handagun.

1715
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:03,759
Speaker 1: Alabama's played Florida State in Georgia.

1716
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, very early, okay, But thus far the offense has

1717
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 2: been really good. Diego Pavia looks like he's taking a

1718
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 2: big step forward as a passer.

1719
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: If nothing more.

1720
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 2: Everything on my spreadsheet is saying that Vandy's a better

1721
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: team than last year, especially on offense. So either you

1722
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 2: believe the numbers or you don't. I've watched enough of

1723
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: Vandy this year to feel pretty good about the direction

1724
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 2: at their head, and it seems to me like they

1725
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: are better.

1726
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a mirage. So my gut was

1727
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: to lay the points with Bama in a revenge game.

1728
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: My brain, every other thing that I have.

1729
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 2: Is now telling me that this is way too many points. Okay,

1730
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 2: and I still think Bama is better. I still think

1731
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: they went at home. I think it's twenty eight twenty

1732
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 2: three right now. By the way, the over under is

1733
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 2: fifty seven. I'd lean under just because of the play style.

1734
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: These teams do not rush to get up to the

1735
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: football and run a play as quick as they can.

1736
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: They're too slow most teams in college football. Fifty seven

1737
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 2: to me. In a game that I know, we know

1738
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: Vandy wants to slow it down as much as they can,

1739
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: I would go under. But I still think Bama wins.

1740
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 3: Good weather maybe a little bit on the hot side

1741
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 3: in the eighties sunny kick off. It's a two thirty

1742
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 3: Central Time kick. Uh yeah, I'm going I'm going Vandy outright.

1743
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 3: I don't hate your underpick. I'm gonna say twenty eight

1744
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 3: to twenty seven.

1745
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: I could see that. I totally see that. Yep.

1746
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 2: The other big one in Week six on ABC seven thirty,

1747
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: it is number three Miami on the road at Florida State.

1748
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 2: Florida State is a four and one half point home dog.

1749
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: I believe this opened closer to seven seven and a half.

1750
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: It is very slowly crept down now to four and

1751
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 2: a half. It was five and a half this morning

1752
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: when I made her document. Yeah, Miami on bye last week.

1753
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 2: Florida State, of course dropped that game on Friday night

1754
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 2: in ot against Virginia. This is another one where first

1755
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 2: impulse was Miami's gonna drill them, They're gonna drill him.

1756
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,759
Speaker 2: But then I see the point spread and I start thinking, Okay,

1757
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 2: what am I missing here? Vegas is obviously expecting something

1758
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 2: a little bit closer. This is gonna be Miami's first

1759
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 2: road game. As you said earlier there at night at

1760
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 2: the Dope, I don't want to discount Florida State's loss

1761
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: against Virginia. It was an obvious look ahead spot. And

1762
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,759
Speaker 2: also Virginia could be pretty good, Like there's an eighty

1763
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 2: six percent chance this year that Virginia is going to

1764
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: finish with eight or more wins. So we will see

1765
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: how that game holds up over time. But that actually

1766
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 2: could be like an okay loss. Agree, So for as

1767
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 2: good as that Florida State defense looked in Week one

1768
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 2: against Alabama. That's how bad it looked a week ago

1769
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: against Chandler Morris and Virginia and.

1770
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 3: Mike and overtimes.

1771
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and my issue is trying to figure out who

1772
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: is the real defense, Like, well, the real Florida State defense,

1773
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 2: please stand up right. I don't know what to expect

1774
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball. That's my sticking point here.

1775
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 3: I think the Miami defense is more dependable. I like

1776
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 3: that the Florida State defense is playing at home. I

1777
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 3: like that the best version of this Florida State team

1778
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 3: will be one with a fire under itself after that

1779
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 3: loss to Virginia. The mismatch here is to me Thomas Castellanos,

1780
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 3: who can be a positive or negative chaos agent? Yes,

1781
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 3: throwing and running into the Miami defense, which appears to

1782
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 3: be a very positive chaos agent for Miami this season. Yes,

1783
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 3: And so that would have me worried if I were

1784
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,799
Speaker 3: a Florida State fan. At this point, I'm not super

1785
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 3: worried of like it was a game against Florida late

1786
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 3: for Miami in Miami, it was I don't think Miami

1787
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 3: is a finished product. I think they're going to continue

1788
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 3: to get better over the course of this season. It

1789
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 3: was a close win against Notre Dame, it was close

1790
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 3: against Florida until very late. So I just I don't

1791
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 3: think that score is representative of the rhythm of that game.

1792
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 3: I think Miami is the better team here.

1793
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: They are.

1794
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the points though. Yeah, I'm going

1795
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 3: to take a home dog Florida State. I think Miami

1796
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 3: wins this game close. I think it's going to be

1797
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 3: reasonably low scoring. I think it's going to be something

1798
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 3: like I mean, this game always seems to be closer

1799
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 3: than it should be if one of these teams is down,

1800
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 3: and neither of these teams appear to be down. So

1801
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 3: something in the vicinity of twenty four to twenty one,

1802
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 3: twenty three to twenty something like that. I have Miami

1803
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 3: winning on the road.

1804
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you bring up a good point, and

1805
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: I think Miami has a.

1806
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 2: Clear advantage because of their lines. Yeah, offensive, defensive line.

1807
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: There's a clear advantage there that should allow them to

1808
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: set the tone in this game on the ground. Maybe

1809
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 2: the way they did a little bit against Notre Dame.

1810
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 2: I think they're good enough on defense to limit Tommy

1811
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 2: Castellanos kind of the same way they did Byron Brown two.

1812
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: You know, like I was thinking.

1813
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: This through, Miami has sort of already beaten Florida State

1814
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 2: in the aggregate with how they've performed against other teams

1815
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: that have similar enough parts. I think Miami wins. I

1816
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 2: also think it's close, and I'm also taking the points.

1817
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 2: I think it's a little higher scoring. I've got at

1818
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 2: like thirty one to twenty seven. Okay, I've convinced myself

1819
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: this one is going to be closer. And for as

1820
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 2: much as I think that Miami does have the solution

1821
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 2: to a guy like a Tommy Castellanos, I also get

1822
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 2: the sense that he that Florida State that they're big

1823
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: game hunters and that they will be juiced up for

1824
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 2: this one.

1825
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 3: They definitely will be.

1826
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 2: Like, do not be surprised at all if Florida State

1827
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 2: tries to game plan some fireworks early, because this is

1828
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 2: a very explosive team. And I didn't mean to make

1829
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 2: that a pun, but it's okay. They're a very explosive team.

1830
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: The two things I love about Florida State A is

1831
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 2: that they've been explosive, and B is that they've been

1832
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 2: pretty good on third downs.

1833
01:28:58,640 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: They're very good at.

1834
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 2: Extending drives and that that tends to work really well

1835
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 2: in some of these rivalry games where you're at home

1836
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 2: at and I got a lot in the line, I

1837
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 2: think you want that.

1838
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: Florida State's got that dog in them. They do.

1839
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 2: Even though they lost on the road of Virginia. I

1840
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: still think this version of Florida State is leaps and

1841
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 2: bounds better than a year ago. And I think they've

1842
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: got upset on the mind here. I don't think they

1843
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 2: get the upset, But I also don't want to underestimate

1844
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 2: a home dog in a rivalry. There's probably some element

1845
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 2: of the knowles that after the loss against Virginia they

1846
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 2: feel like they've got their back to the wall. I

1847
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 2: don't want to underestimate the desperate team at home at night.

1848
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: That still is very explosive. So I'm going canes. I

1849
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 2: like Florida State with the points.

1850
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 3: Two things to pay attention to as well. By the way,

1851
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 3: Nebraska fans complained about Tony White on third down last year,

1852
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 3: Florida State in the red zone on defense has been

1853
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 3: very bad. Yes, situational defense in the red zone has

1854
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 3: not been great. Just something to pay attention to. It's

1855
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 3: a very small sample size, so it might not matter

1856
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 3: at this point. I'm also curious about what Miami looks

1857
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 3: like on a different part of the field when there

1858
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 3: are shot opportunities. Carson Beck pushing the ball downfield, right,

1859
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 3: I think Carson Beck can be excellent, But I'm saying,

1860
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 3: is that going to be a part of Miami's game

1861
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 3: plan against Florida State? Are they going to test Florida

1862
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 3: State deep? Are they going to test them long intermediate stuff,

1863
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 3: long passes? Is that something that Miami feels comfortable as

1864
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 3: part of their passing attack because it's sort of come

1865
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 3: and gone so far this season against good opponents, good defenses,

1866
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 3: and uh well, I would say defense is a good

1867
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 3: defense probably in Florida likely eventually a decent defense and

1868
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 3: Notre Dame will see. But that's an element of the

1869
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 3: of the Miami attack that I don't I think is

1870
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 3: a little bit underdeveloped at the moment. And they've been

1871
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 3: very good, but how do they how well can they

1872
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 3: keep Florida State honest deep with Carson Beck? And is

1873
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 3: you know, rebuilt elbow and everything like that? Just something

1874
01:30:58,560 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

1875
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 2: About right in salverbogmail dot com. Let us know your

1876
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 2: thoughts on these games and much much more. There are

1877
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 2: some other really interesting games in week six. I mean,

1878
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 2: week six is not Week five. I'll just shoot you straight.

1879
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: It isn't.

1880
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 2: But Kse State at Baylor could be interesting. Was Continent

1881
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 2: at Michigan is at least a matchup of two blue

1882
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: blood programs or two name brand programs. I don't know

1883
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 2: if we consider Wisconsont of blue blood or not. That's

1884
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 2: probably a separate conversation.

1885
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 3: Not not myself.

1886
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 2: Iowa State at Cincinnati I mentioned earlier since he right

1887
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 2: now at recording is favored by one. Texas at Florida.

1888
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 2: We didn't preview that one, but we will on the

1889
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 2: next episode. I mentioned Boise at Notre Dame. Virginia on

1890
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: the road at Louisville's a really good matchup now in

1891
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 2: light of what we saw happened last week. Are Texas

1892
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 2: Tech at Houston I mentioned earlier as being of interest

1893
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: to me. And Mississippi State at Texas A and M

1894
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 2: A M favored by fourteen points.

1895
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 3: So letdown spot for Mississippi State after getting so close

1896
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 3: against Tennessee.

1897
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, but that's like a lot of points for

1898
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: a team that I think is very quickly becoming noteworthy

1899
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 2: in the SCA. Yeah, we'll get into those games of

1900
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 2: much much more on Thursday again.

1901
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:09,519
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1902
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,639
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1903
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1904
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,599
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1905
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 2: bit longer here today because we, you know, left some

1906
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: meat on the bone with what we did on Saturday night,

1907
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 2: but I think it was worth it. It was a

1908
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 2: great trip. I'm glad we finally got you in here.

1909
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 2: So fun for a little bit of a road trip

1910
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 2: across PA. And again like we would not have been

1911
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 2: able to do this without the support of many people

1912
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: who helped us make it all possible this past weekend.

1913
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 2: Any highlights that you'd like to share here before we

1914
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 2: let the find people go from our trip.

1915
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 3: I've got a Google document with seventy seven highlights. Tie okay,

1916
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:53,759
Speaker 3: one middle Child Sandwiches in Philadelphia, unbelievable sandwich spot highly

1917
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 3: recommend mild.

1918
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I was a little bit worried because you had it

1919
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 2: wrapped up, not on ice, but wrapped up up in

1920
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 2: the front seat for a couple hours, and You're like, here,

1921
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 2: do you want this?

1922
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I do and it.

1923
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 2: Was really easier forever, and I was I was worried

1924
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 2: that maybe, you know, we didn't preserve it well enough,

1925
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 2: but the stomach held up okay, and the sandwich was delicious,

1926
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I couldn't recommend that highly or more highly.

1927
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 3: The game day experience at Penn State is great. There

1928
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 3: appears to be seven hundred and forty four thousand people

1929
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 3: tailgating before the game.

1930
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 2: It just goes on forever. We walked eleven hiking eleven

1931
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 2: point two miles per my Apple Watch.

1932
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 3: I love that the fans at Penn State were legitimately incredible.

1933
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 3: Everybody was very nice, very hospitable, welcoming. The food was great.

1934
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 3: You shouted out various tailgaters that we met and hung

1935
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,560
Speaker 3: out with. I thought the tailgate scene was great and expansive.

1936
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 3: I thought the in game experience was incredible. The white

1937
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,879
Speaker 3: out is one of one like it was ear splitting.

1938
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 3: Fans were all in their seats way way way before

1939
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 3: kickoff there. Everybody was back when the second half was starting.

1940
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 3: Nobody was hostile to to me a green dot, you know,

1941
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 3: in the middle of a white sea. Everybody was very

1942
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 3: cool to me as an organ fan, which was nice.

1943
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 3: So every you know, I guess it's because I'm not

1944
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 3: Ohio State in Michigan, I guess that's where if you

1945
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 3: were more hostile.

1946
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: There were a.

1947
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: Few loons in the crowd wearing Ohio State gear. Yeah,

1948
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 2: that was weird, which I just don't get. And I

1949
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 2: saw some guy who was confronted out in the concourse,

1950
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 2: which is the concourse conversations like a whole other conversation. Yeah,

1951
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 2: but there was a dude out there wearing it was

1952
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 2: white but it had Ohio State on it, and there

1953
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 2: were a bunch of men staters like, what is what

1954
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 2: are you doing?

1955
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:36,879
Speaker 1: I as well enjoy college football.

1956
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was the only white thing I had.

1957
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Was his weird explanation that nobody bought. But continue, go

1958
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 2: to target, get a white shirt. You're you're okay.

1959
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1960
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 3: The the in game experience, you know, the marching band

1961
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 3: and the fireworks and all that was incredible. Penn State

1962
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 3: makes very weird music decisions. I mean, even aside from Obamba.

1963
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: This is a point of contention for me as well.

1964
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they remove juice from this stadium for no reason.

1965
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 3: Here's how I would describe this.

1966
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 2: If you go out on YouTube and you run a

1967
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: search on failed fireworks finales.

1968
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: Okay, there's one out there. I believe it was in

1969
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: San Diego. I think so too, where somebody hit the wrong.

1970
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 2: Button and they accidentally lit off all the fireworks at once. Yeah,

1971
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 2: and it's just this like thirty second cavalcade of every

1972
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 2: single pyrotechnic available.

1973
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1974
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 2: That seems to be Penn State's philosophy when it comes

1975
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,879
Speaker 2: to the in stadium like sound experience. They're playing Crazy

1976
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 2: Train and Ozzie yelling all aboard as they're playing something

1977
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 2: else simultaneously as they're playing something else. I haven't been

1978
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 2: back in a while for this, and I have not

1979
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 2: been part of the white out industrial complex since they

1980
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 2: started making this more of a thing, since we were

1981
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: both there for the first one, parently in two thousand

1982
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 2: and seven. I would like a little bit more cohesion.

1983
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 2: It still works, it's still one of one, as they say,

1984
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 2: the greatest show in college sports. I agree with that, Yeah,

1985
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 2: but I would like a little bit more, like just

1986
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 2: more of a like theme to make it all fit

1987
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 2: fit together, if that makes sense.

1988
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought the game.

1989
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 3: I thought that the pregame festivities were incredible, but went

1990
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 3: on a little bit too long. Like the videos went

1991
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 3: on a little bit too long, the pump up stuff, like,

1992
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 3: there was such an amazing amount of juice in the

1993
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,599
Speaker 3: stadium that I would just you know, ride that wave

1994
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 3: and get right into kickoff. So I thought that went

1995
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 3: on that was a little bit too extended between the

1996
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 3: third and fourth quarter. When you go around college football,

1997
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 3: like the sing alongs and the dancy stuff like, there

1998
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 3: are so many amazing traditions new and old, and Penn

1999
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 3: States is a zero out of ten with the band

2000
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 3: playing hey Baby, nobody cared in the entire stadium beyond

2001
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 3: maybe some octagenarians and we'll be there soon. Yeah, but

2002
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 3: they removed juice from a tight game playing that when

2003
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,080
Speaker 3: you you know, see Dixie land delight and won't back

2004
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 3: down and shout and jump around and all those things.

2005
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 3: There was zero juice musically towards the end of the

2006
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 3: game when you could have gotten the crowd into it.

2007
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 3: So I don't think that was like a traditional thing.

2008
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 3: But I don't think I heard the white stripes once.

2009
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 3: If they did, it was very brief. I don't think

2010
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 3: I heard the white stripes. I don't think I heard it.

2011
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 3: They did the like we rea, They did that a

2012
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 3: few times, and that was fine, and they do like

2013
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 3: the what is It the Joker and the Thief the

2014
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 3: wolf Mother song that got people up, and they did

2015
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 3: a lot of good with it, but there was some

2016
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 3: like why are you doing this right now?

2017
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 1: Who is this for?

2018
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 3: Nobody cares get rid of this from the playlist.

2019
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean it's the same reaction I get when I

2020
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: try to play DJ, when I'm playing songs out in

2021
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 2: the patio.

2022
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure Kate's like, just move, go give me the phone.

2023
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I and Ty almost got abducted by a crowd

2024
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 3: trying to make his way back from the urinal Listen,

2025
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 3: there is it's an F minus fan experience everywhere but

2026
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 3: inside the stadium field area.

2027
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a complainer because it was

2028
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 2: an incredible experience.

2029
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, a bunch of amateurs running the show behind the scenes.

2030
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 2: Though, I am absolutely thrilled that we were there. Yes,

2031
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 2: I have never in my life had an experience like

2032
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 2: I did in the concourse. Yeah, I mean it was

2033
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 2: legitimately somebody could have gotten hurt. Yeah, and Penn State

2034
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 2: needs to fix that immediately. They need to fix that immediately.

2035
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 2: And it was to the point where it was shouldered

2036
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 2: the shoulder. Nobody could move in the concourse in the

2037
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 2: upper deck. Yeah, and there were Oregon people who were

2038
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 2: terrified trying to get through and they could. They were

2039
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 2: just like worming their way through as best they could.

2040
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 2: And there were Penn State fans and Oregon fans kind

2041
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 2: of sympathizing with one another because of how legitimately scary

2042
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 2: it was. Yeah, there were women out there having panic attacks.

2043
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 2: It was really unfortunate. I damn near had a panic attack. Yeah,

2044
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 2: and I'm not claustrophobic, but I don't know if it's

2045
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 2: going to take somebody getting hurt for them to fix that.

2046
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how much of that is due to

2047
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 2: ongoing and can structure. There's a lot that I probably

2048
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 2: don't know, but I can tell you I know enough

2049
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 2: to know that that was not safe. Yeah, and they

2050
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 2: need to fix that, and I hope with whatever they're doing,

2051
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 2: they're going to fix it next.

2052
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 3: I doubt that that they bring in like Dutch engineers.

2053
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 3: I do no loyalty to Penn State.

2054
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 2: I doubt that Paccraft is listening to this, but maybe

2055
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 2: somebody can send it to them, because that was an

2056
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 2: absolute embarrassment and as a Penn State alum who does

2057
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 2: this in front of a lot of people. I'm not

2058
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 2: afraid to say that that was embarrassing. And I hope

2059
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: that Oregon people come back when they get their acting gear.

2060
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: Because that was hard. Yeah, it was hard.

2061
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 3: I would I would never go back to a Penn

2062
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,839
Speaker 3: State game unless it was of this size, just because

2063
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 3: it's such a pain in that stadium. But the actual

2064
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 3: in game stuff is a plus.

2065
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: Like it was incredible.

2066
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, twelve out of ten for the overwhelming majority of it.

2067
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, unless you got there super early, yeah, and

2068
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 2: were content in your seat and didn't need to get

2069
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: up for anything. And maybe it was on me for

2070
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:57,600
Speaker 2: trying to go to the bathroom an hour and a

2071
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:58,520
Speaker 2: half before.

2072
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 3: Kick got off to a catheter. Yeah, but that was that.

2073
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 2: I was genuinely embarrassed as an alum for how that

2074
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 2: was outside the stadium, and there were no shortage of

2075
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 2: people out there who were talking about writing letters to

2076
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 2: the administration. Whether or not they take that the heart

2077
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 2: remains to be seen. But that was a joke in

2078
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 2: an embarrassment.

2079
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

2080
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 3: The other thing that was ten out of ten, aside

2081
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 3: from like the goosebumps from the White out in a

2082
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:24,520
Speaker 3: good way. Getting a tour of the state of Pennsylvania

2083
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 3: from ty hildenbrand Holy moly. If you guys ever get

2084
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 3: the opportunity, Yeah, Pennsylvania. In my I've been a lot

2085
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 3: of places. The state of Pennsylvania, the Keystone State, is

2086
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 3: the most American state in America. I'm not saying it's

2087
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 3: the best state. I'm not saying it's the worst state.

2088
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 3: I have no idea where it would fall in my

2089
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,959
Speaker 3: rankings of favorite states. But in terms of the variety

2090
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 3: that you can get. When ty hilden brandt is touring

2091
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 3: you from Philadelphia to Central PA. And I don't know

2092
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 3: Western Pa at all, but you think about what's going

2093
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 3: on in Philly, you think about proximity to things, you

2094
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 3: think about, you know, the most beautiful forestry. Then Tye

2095
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 3: telling you about super fun sites, and then Tye showing

2096
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 3: you like, oh, yeah, this is where so and so

2097
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 3: is from, this is where Taylor Swift is from. And

2098
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 3: she's marrying like, what a Philadelphia podcaster, right, So it's

2099
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 3: a very Pennsylvania union.

2100
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 1: She's Philadelphia podcaster adjacent.

2101
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying she's marrying a Philadelphia podcaster, right.

2102
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: Well, Travis is in a Philadelphia podcaster. His brother is

2103
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Travis kelce Travis Kelsey plays

2104
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs.

2105
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:28,800
Speaker 3: She's not marrying him.

2106
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: She's not married.

2107
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 3: Shoot, yo, she is marrying Travis. I was wrong about that.

2108
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: Yes, she is already that octagenarian stage. I know I have.

2109
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 3: Yes, Jason Kelcey is happily married. Already, we're gonna she

2110
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 3: is adjacent to Philadelphia podcasting. The areas that you took

2111
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 3: me through in I guess central eastern Pennsylvania, where it's

2112
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 3: just like, here are the Amish, here are the horse

2113
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 3: and buggies. They seem okay, they make a lot of

2114
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 3: good produce and chicken and furniture. There was such a

2115
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 3: variety of life in Pennsylvania. I mean the Declaration of

2116
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 3: Independence was signed in Pennsylvania. Yes it's there.

2117
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: I don't know where it was signed, but sure.

2118
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know. I'm screwing up left and right.

2119
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 3: But the amount of information you gave me as i'm

2120
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 3: peppering you with questions about Pennsylvania, it was incredible.

2121
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's good to hear that seventh or eighth grade

2122
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 2: PA history class came in handy.

2123
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 3: I'm looking up where the Declaration of Independence where it

2124
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 3: was signed.

2125
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it was signed in Philly,

2126
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 1: but Alas okay, yeah, Philadelphia, Piladelphi Hall, beautiful.

2127
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 2: Well look, I'm glad you came. You're gonna have to

2128
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 2: come back again sometime soon. It was a fun road trip.

2129
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 2: Our show for what it's worth, the live one that

2130
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 2: we did a little bit late with Avery for ball

2131
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 2: or Avery's help so kindly giving us his basement.

2132
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 1: It was.

2133
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 2: It was the biggest reaction show that we've done it ever.

2134
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: Actually, so it was.

2135
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 2: It was huge, and part of that was the game,

2136
01:42:58,240 --> 01:42:59,640
Speaker 2: but I think part of that was us given some

2137
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 2: on the on experience being there. Sure, it's a lot

2138
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 2: of fun, So thank you to everybody who helped make

2139
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,839
Speaker 2: that possible and for everybody, if nothing more who listened

2140
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 2: and kind of cheered it on in the background.

2141
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. We'll have to do

2142
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: it again soon.

2143
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 3: Have the best time, all.

2144
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: Right, Dan, We went way over time here, but you

2145
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: know what, it's our show. We can do whatever we want.

2146
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: We want.

2147
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 2: We appreciate those of view taking the time to hang

2148
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 2: in with us here.

2149
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Hopefully you enjoyed the weekend as much as we did.

2150
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 1: Hopefully we all enjoy week six as much as we

2151
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 1: did Week five. Much more to come.

2152
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:32,320
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2156
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2158
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2161
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Speaker 2: as well, so make sure you stay tuned. We'll be

2162
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 2: talking a lot more about that in the very near future.

2163
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, I got to get a drink.

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Speaker 2: My voice is starting to and I feel like two

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Speaker 2: sticks rubbing together. Back there, please do. We've got to

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Speaker 2: rest up. We've got a big week of games in

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Speaker 2: front of us. For that, go over there, Dan, for myself, Tie,

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Speaker 2: thanks again for tuning.

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Speaker 1: You will talk to you also. Stay solid. Peace,