Speaker 1: This is episode four, and I have a lot of
Speaker 1: thoughts on dead Man dating. Well, some that Brian won't like,
Speaker 1: but it's only because it was before Brian really like
Speaker 1: stepped in. But I really liked this episode.
Speaker 2: I do too.
Speaker 1: I just thought John was amazing.
Speaker 2: He's fantastic. It helps so much when we have a
Speaker 2: good guest star. And I think this was like the
Speaker 2: most charming, charmed episode we had in the first season.
Speaker 2: And it's for me. It's where it kind of all
Speaker 2: came together in every which away.
Speaker 1: I might be biased though I think you're biased, but
Speaker 1: I happened to agree with you. But I do think
Speaker 1: that it was like the episode that brought out this
Speaker 1: really like romantic soft side of your character that was
Speaker 1: really nice to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard for me, I know that.
Speaker 1: I know. Superhard chemistry was like insane.
Speaker 2: I was so awkward. Well Piper is awkward, so that works, yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah.
Speaker 3: It was the chemistry was off the charts. This is
Speaker 3: I think, so far, like in all the episodes I've
Speaker 3: ever watched with charm, this is definitely top two for me.
Speaker 3: It just had all the things that I absolutely love
Speaker 3: and I thought your guys chemistry Sorry, BK was just.
Speaker 2: It was you actually are you are there? You're still
Speaker 2: in the attic. That's true, He's still in the attic.
Speaker 2: By the way, Notice at Brian, do you want.
Speaker 1: To give us the synopsis real quick?
Speaker 4: The synopsis dead man dating?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Piper falls for a ghost with the most who was
Speaker 4: murdered by some street thugs, while the recently deceased man
Speaker 4: is on a mission to save his soul. Andy is
Speaker 4: trying to save his relationship with Proue after she finds
Speaker 4: out he was married time out.
Speaker 3: Are they in a relationship?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seemed like a real quick cut to me,
Speaker 2: was something cut from the other episode that like suddenly
Speaker 2: you're just like now dating.
Speaker 4: I mean they had, you know, relations a conjugal visit.
Speaker 2: That was the one.
Speaker 3: That's actually the first note I wrote. But it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean you guys aren't actually in a relationship.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's all a relationship. Meanwhile, Yeah, Phoebe
Speaker 4: finds a job as a fortune teller, only to learn
Speaker 4: that not everyone wants to know their deadly destiny. That's true,
Speaker 4: which I thought I thought. Didn't Phoebe learn her lesson
Speaker 4: in the last episode about personal gain like wasn't that
Speaker 4: a big thing?
Speaker 3: Then this is a personal gain she really like, in
Speaker 3: all fairness, she does want to give Prue a proper
Speaker 3: gift this year, and she doesn't have any money, so
Speaker 3: she's using the powers or talents that she does have
Speaker 3: to try to do something selfless.
Speaker 1: Well, but it's not really that selfless. And why you
Speaker 1: a gift that you were given by whatever higher power?
Speaker 1: Why do that instead of just going and getting a
Speaker 1: normal job like everybody else. Yeah, it's taking a shortcut.
Speaker 1: It's taking the easy way out, which is what Phoebe
Speaker 1: did in the beginning. I think her character grew to
Speaker 1: not do that but and really understood. I think she
Speaker 1: understood responsibility to Moore as a show went on again,
Speaker 1: I have to watch it with you guys and see.
Speaker 1: But I yeah, I kind of agree with Brian here.
Speaker 4: Like I think there's anything about the episode there was
Speaker 4: because we just learned that was a huge lesson in
Speaker 4: the last episode and then you're right back at it.
Speaker 4: She's doing it again in this one. And I thought,
Speaker 4: even though it's cute and the outfit and it was
Speaker 4: funny and it led to kind of the storyline of
Speaker 4: the ghosts and everything, I feel like it was still
Speaker 4: a bit you know, we took a step back with
Speaker 4: the development of the character and you know, what they
Speaker 4: learned about their powers and what it means to be
Speaker 4: responsible with them?
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know, so I know that it starts
Speaker 1: with like Andy inviting me to a spa weekend that
Speaker 1: I agree to, which is very weird to me that
Speaker 1: there was always on the fence with him, and then
Speaker 1: she's like, sure, we can go away together where we
Speaker 1: have to share a room? Like wait, what.
Speaker 2: Was like the SPA type either, Like this one isn't
Speaker 2: laying down for a massage. I just don't see it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, she's not. And it just felt like, all
Speaker 2: of a.
Speaker 1: Sudden, they did this big push on the relationship that
Speaker 1: didn't It had no real start. Their start was, you know,
Speaker 1: a faulty battery that would you know, crank for a
Speaker 1: second and then uncrank and then crank and an uncrank.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not using correct mechanic technic, you know,
Speaker 1: technical words, but who cares. But yeah, it just didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me. I think that's why I
Speaker 1: watched it the other day and then just reading this
Speaker 1: whole episode recap I'm like, oh, I forgot because it
Speaker 1: just didn't seem right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like we missed something or we jumped something,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to remember. I feel like we did
Speaker 2: move around episodes. We moved around episodes when we shot.
Speaker 2: Something got jumbled, and I feel like four was actually
Speaker 2: supposed to be five and five was supposed to be four. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: something got jumbled.
Speaker 4: I mean that would have made sense with not learning
Speaker 4: the lesson and then learning it hard the next one
Speaker 4: with the lottery, I mean that would have made a
Speaker 4: little more sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, three or four, because then there's no the the
Speaker 3: connection you guys have in five dream Source or feels
Speaker 3: like it's taken a step back a little bit. I
Speaker 3: know we're jumping, but now I'm thinking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that makes total sense. You could have they could have
Speaker 3: totally flip flopped the episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think four was supposed to be three.
Speaker 1: But even then, if you think about it like that,
Speaker 1: like there wasn't enough of a relationship between Andy and
Speaker 1: Prue to be like, oh, let's go away for a
Speaker 1: SPA weekend. I know, personally, I don't just go away
Speaker 1: for SPA weekends with dudes.
Speaker 4: That's never not even adjoining rooms.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, what about an enjointing?
Speaker 1: You no, Like, it's so stressful to go on a
Speaker 1: SPA weekend with a guy amaze, like they're expecting sex,
Speaker 1: they're expecting this romance and you're kind of like.
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm not into getting in the room
Speaker 3: with someone else.
Speaker 1: Wait what Sorry?
Speaker 4: I said a big dinner in the SPA package. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I come on.
Speaker 2: I remember it being out of order, and I don't
Speaker 2: exactly remember why, but I remember it being out of order.
Speaker 3: Well I can, I would, just from an outsider's perspective,
Speaker 3: obviously not being part of the think group tank whatever
Speaker 3: that was in nineteen ninety eight. But I think the
Speaker 3: moment you see dead Man Dating versus let's say, Wedding
Speaker 3: from Hell, which is episode six and or a Dream Sourcer,
Speaker 3: which I do like more than I did before, but
Speaker 3: it's not Dead Man Dating. So I think in order
Speaker 3: to just kind of continue to stay front loaded and
Speaker 3: excited and keep the Dead Man Dating, that's a special episode.
Speaker 3: Whether you like Charmed or not, Like, I think, the
Speaker 3: moment you watch it, it's just so it's great, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: So I think it kind of keeps people engaged and
Speaker 3: locks them in Versus, if this followed, you might you
Speaker 3: might have lost viewers in Wedding from Hell. That's don't
Speaker 3: quote me, but it's it's a tough that's.
Speaker 1: A tough We're quoting you right now.
Speaker 3: You could have lost You could have potentially with.
Speaker 1: Andy and Prue, like the two of them boring as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, Skip.
Speaker 4: Stockery, was it odd that he was a stalker?
Speaker 3: That was this episode?
Speaker 4: I'm waiting in your office.
Speaker 2: Waiting in your office to see your reaction to his
Speaker 2: flowers is super creepy, super.
Speaker 3: And you're just like, oh hey, it's.
Speaker 1: Also weird to me. I'm like, no, wonder why Andy
Speaker 1: didn't stay on the show. It's like super creep Like
Speaker 1: who wrote him like that?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 1: Like Brad and like his own personal experience with women
Speaker 1: like I'm so confused, much more like intelligent and like
Speaker 1: I would rather seen him, you know, beast on the
Speaker 1: job and shine in real life. I would have rather
Speaker 1: as opposed to some you know, this sort of stalker
Speaker 1: slick dude, and you know it would be interesting, you
Speaker 1: know obviously interview and have tw on even though I
Speaker 1: understand he doesn't want to do it, which is fair. People,
Speaker 1: you know, get done with something they don't want to
Speaker 1: revisit it. Certainly have been there in my life and
Speaker 1: my career, but I would still be interested to hear
Speaker 1: like how he felt about playing a guy that just
Speaker 1: showed up everywhere.
Speaker 3: Watching of the Flowers as wild. That is a wild choice,
Speaker 3: my guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guy, guy, let's skip the talker I'm.
Speaker 3: Going Will we call that the B storyline?
Speaker 1: I'd call it d.
Speaker 4: I mean at least I was stalking, but you couldn't
Speaker 4: see me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were super sick.
Speaker 1: Then to Chinatown. We've got Mark who's played John, who's amazing.
Speaker 2: He just exudes light.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he really, he really did, like just goodness
Speaker 1: and uh it's his birthday and he gets shot by
Speaker 1: a group of thugs. The thugs don't know him. They
Speaker 1: just need a random body so that the headthug guy
Speaker 1: can get away with something a murder that he that
Speaker 1: he did right, and but he'll get off because they're
Speaker 1: saying he's dead and here's his body, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: By the way, did they ever talk about how they
Speaker 1: were gonna transfer those like dental fingerprints? I mean, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight was not completely before DNA.
Speaker 3: It's true, I don't think he thought that far. I
Speaker 3: think he thought by burning up the shooting and then
Speaker 3: lighting the corpse on fire with and then the ring,
Speaker 3: he didn't.
Speaker 2: Have fingerprints on record, and he doesn't go to the dentist. See,
Speaker 2: I can work my way out of anything.
Speaker 1: But Mark would have had fingerprints on record, and Mark
Speaker 1: would have had dental so that nobody would have been
Speaker 1: in for him identify him as the person he actually is.
Speaker 2: Only his mom was looking for him. And then remember
Speaker 2: when I got to the house, she doesn't know that
Speaker 2: he's dead yet because they didn't report him.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: The point is when they found a dead body, they
Speaker 1: would have run all these records because that's what police.
Speaker 3: Do, correct, except for he was burned, so there was
Speaker 3: not like the only thing that would have probably been
Speaker 3: left technically are dental and.
Speaker 2: He definitely went to the dentist. He has for really
Speaker 2: good teeth.
Speaker 3: But they found the ring, which is very important, which
Speaker 3: would identify it as Tony the Triad, the Triad boss.
Speaker 1: Right, so let's take the ring as proof of who
Speaker 1: this body is.
Speaker 3: Can set up. Actually, if you really think about it.
Speaker 4: But that was street thug thinking right like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get away with this. I gotta take it out.
Speaker 1: The police had that thinking too.
Speaker 3: Were they doing dental in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy definitely wasn't Andy was no no Andy.
Speaker 3: For all his faults, we have to make sure Andy,
Speaker 3: like Andy was not not the worst sloth. He's pretty
Speaker 3: decent a sloothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, generally good at slooping on through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sleuthing proof for sure.
Speaker 1: So then we have Phoebe at her job as a
Speaker 1: psychic at the hotel and Mark shows up there to
Speaker 1: ask like because Phoebe can see him to ask for help,
Speaker 1: and you can see him as.
Speaker 2: Well, right, Holly, Yes, which I think is a very
Speaker 2: funny scene. And I like that we got to go
Speaker 2: outside and shoot at the hotel, Roosevelt and all the things,
Speaker 2: and he's just good. He's just dang good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that always makes it really easy in
Speaker 3: a scene. It just kind of blocks you one when
Speaker 3: you're acting opposite people who are great, It just you
Speaker 3: kind of stop acting and you just start being present
Speaker 3: and responding naturally in the moment. And so it's really good.
Speaker 3: And I think that's always why The chemistry between everyone here,
Speaker 3: especially the three girls, was always great because it didn't
Speaker 3: ever feel like you guys were acting. It always felt
Speaker 3: very genuine and just responding in the moment.
Speaker 2: And what's crazy about John is that he felt really
Speaker 2: green on this episode and I had no clue because
Speaker 2: our rapport was so easy and our chemistry was easy.
Speaker 2: Sorry BK, and our timing was great this episode. This
Speaker 2: episode is called sorry BK.
Speaker 4: Sorry Leo separate.
Speaker 3: Leo is not BK is not Leo. Yeah, thanks, sorry.
Speaker 1: So Mark asks you for help, ask Piper for help,
Speaker 1: and he takes her to his murdered body.
Speaker 2: Which I think is like, so it was kind of
Speaker 2: rough for us at the time. Like I find this
Speaker 2: episode not just it is very lovely, but it was
Speaker 2: super violent for us at the time. And yes, he
Speaker 2: gets shot and you don't really see a bunch of
Speaker 2: blood because we weren't allowed to do that, but the
Speaker 2: burning body, the whole thing. I remember being creeped out
Speaker 2: when I was doing it, and I'm still kind of
Speaker 2: creeped out. I just wish it was shot a little
Speaker 2: less blatantly, or if.
Speaker 1: It was more blatant, it was more realistic, like one
Speaker 1: or the other. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just remember being caught off guard by like
Speaker 3: the guy yelling bitch and or something like that and
Speaker 3: pulling out like and just open fire. It just didn't
Speaker 3: feel fire charmed. It felt very like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: kind of had like a well, obviously there.
Speaker 1: Was some ghosts inside the street thug.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the street thug, Tony Tony street bug.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think bitch is the kindest word a
Speaker 1: street thug could be.
Speaker 3: Sure, I just felt that for me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, at least they went that far with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's what we could get away with at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we took it. So then you see his
Speaker 1: murdered body, and there's there's a thing called Yarma, which
Speaker 1: is this weird demon type thing on a horse with
Speaker 1: a big lancelot or that thing is, and know he
Speaker 1: takes the murdered bodies, but it's not good. So obviously
Speaker 1: the innocent guy Mark wants Yarma to leave him alone.
Speaker 1: That's where you come in. You freeze Yarma, and then
Speaker 1: you kinda get on the path of like trying to
Speaker 1: save this guy because you realize that you have a
Speaker 1: crush on him, so he must be innocent.
Speaker 2: No, she's just doing her civic duty. That's dare you
Speaker 2: daari you? She's not let her emotions get in the
Speaker 2: way yet yet.
Speaker 3: Yama's a soul taker, right, that's what his That's just
Speaker 3: he's he's not really technical collect we call him? Would
Speaker 3: we call him a demon or would we just call
Speaker 3: him like it's he's an evil spirit that collects souls
Speaker 3: and he's he's not a it doesn't matter who you
Speaker 3: are kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Right, Sure, is that a collector?
Speaker 3: If I remember thes But it doesn't like I think,
Speaker 3: didn't Mark have a line in there where he's like,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you're good or bad. It's just
Speaker 3: like he just he comes and yeah, he collects, that's
Speaker 3: his thing, right.
Speaker 1: Unless you're given like a proper burial and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And I again, I have to take umbrage
Speaker 2: with the glowing eyes. It's just so not necessary.
Speaker 1: That is like the glowing eyes on the dogs. I
Speaker 1: feel like they somehow centered them a little bit better.
Speaker 2: It's just not okay, just so unnecessary.
Speaker 1: I think I think that they were like learning and
Speaker 1: fine tuning all of that stuff. It was it was
Speaker 1: a little bit better. I wasn't as offended or maybe
Speaker 1: it was just because I thought, you know, the episode
Speaker 1: was so much better. Yeah, but didn't bother me. Then
Speaker 1: Proof catches Andy having dinner with his ex wife who.
Speaker 4: Cares red Flag, but she still uses his name. So
Speaker 4: are they separated?
Speaker 3: Is Susan Sarandon still uses Chris Sarandon's name?
Speaker 2: Yes she does, indeed.
Speaker 3: And she was married to Tim Robbins and she stayed
Speaker 3: Susan Sarandon looks like Andy, like Trudeau is a great
Speaker 3: last name, and she just wants to be.
Speaker 4: But that's because she's a brand. Is is Trudeau? This
Speaker 4: woman's brand?
Speaker 3: Like might be she's a real estate power broker, could
Speaker 3: be could be the Trudeau.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a big one. Not to tell you
Speaker 4: that's that's a big one.
Speaker 1: I don't I mean maybe, I like, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that they're they're air, Like, why would they go on
Speaker 1: a spot weekend?
Speaker 2: Well, apparently in episode six they would have been there
Speaker 2: episode six, they would have been there by Now.
Speaker 3: That would make more sense. Your reaction if this was,
Speaker 3: if this would shown at six, would be Yo, We've
Speaker 3: this has been you know, at least six hours of
Speaker 3: television where we've at least a crazy relationship. We're cooking
Speaker 3: where you know, things are starting to brew a little bit,
Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden, you tell me you
Speaker 3: have an ex wife who's tech or a wife that
Speaker 3: still uses your name.
Speaker 1: I just don't see the connection between the two of them.
Speaker 1: If it was episode four, episode six, I don't see it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, sure saying like telling someone I have an
Speaker 1: ex wife, all of that that's that's kind of important,
Speaker 1: or hey I'm still married, or hey, you know I'm
Speaker 1: a you know, cheater, like I'll never be loyal to you.
Speaker 1: Like all of that stuff is really good information to
Speaker 1: give up, to give to someone up front. I just
Speaker 1: didn't see Proo ever interested enough for the information to
Speaker 1: even be retained in her brain. For me, I look
Speaker 1: at Prude, I'm like it would go in one ear
Speaker 1: and out the other because she has so much other
Speaker 1: important stuff to deal with in her life than someone
Speaker 1: that they didn't. And it's not against tw it's more
Speaker 1: against the way that those two characters were written together.
Speaker 1: So it was a storyline that was never fleshed out properly,
Speaker 1: and so it just feels it always feels like a
Speaker 1: glass half empty, not half full. And because that they
Speaker 1: just ended up not caring and just being like who cares?
Speaker 1: He has an ex wife who cares? Where he goes?
Speaker 1: Who cares? Like who cares? You know, like Bru's just
Speaker 1: so focused on everything else in her life that literally
Speaker 1: she doesn't have room for a guy and his x y.
Speaker 1: So I'm not really quite sure why it bothered her
Speaker 1: that much. Lack of honesty or I get that anyway,
Speaker 1: Let's move on to more important storylines again.
Speaker 2: She has trust issues.
Speaker 3: I get it, well, I think unintentionally also, I don't
Speaker 3: think this was it would cut from those kind of
Speaker 3: scenes with Prue and Andy to write to Mark and
Speaker 3: Piper and which had like just streaming chemistry and you're
Speaker 3: rooting for them immediately. Sorry, sorry, Bekay, it's okay.
Speaker 4: I hate this episode. It's fine. Let's keep talking about it.
Speaker 3: Dude, it's so good. You can't. You got to be
Speaker 3: objective about that.
Speaker 2: Get back in the attic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been stalking her her whole life.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, he's like peering over the stairwell, like
Speaker 2: watching us try to kiss but we can't.
Speaker 3: Because I was like, I'm so glad you did.
Speaker 1: You're right that you can't cut from people who are
Speaker 1: kind of like blah, people have like instant chemistry and
Speaker 1: literally not even a full episode. It's like so far,
Speaker 1: you're halfway through the episode and you're rooting for them,
Speaker 1: and with Prune Andy you're like, wah, wah.
Speaker 2: No, not necessary. I mean the audience really was into
Speaker 2: the Andy character. They really were.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think as a character he was great.
Speaker 1: I think I just don't think it should have been
Speaker 1: so quick with crew. I think that that was something
Speaker 1: that they should have built over the entire first season. Yes,
Speaker 1: and maybe came to fruition in the second season. I
Speaker 1: just think they rushed that relationship too much, and so
Speaker 1: they didn't give it any legs totally.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a big thing to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: you're spending your birthday away with me. I'm sorry if
Speaker 2: you had any plans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not that you guys are any good at planning anything.
Speaker 3: For me exactly. He didn't. Phoebe forgot to put the
Speaker 3: invitation in the mail naturally, right, So it's not totally.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm taking Andy side on this, but
Speaker 3: he had no idea that you guys were trying to
Speaker 3: plan a surprise party, or that she would.
Speaker 2: Have any plans in general.
Speaker 3: Right, But hey, to Shannon, to your point, I think
Speaker 3: that's actually really that we would have if it would
Speaker 3: have been like are they are they not? It was
Speaker 3: it's the Ross and Rachel thing, like we're rooting them
Speaker 3: for years.
Speaker 1: The Shepherd Moonlight thing. Yeah, I mean that would have
Speaker 1: been cool, like and that's a lot more of what
Speaker 1: their characters were, you know, like detectives blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It would have been interesting to have that dynamic going
Speaker 1: on between two characters throughout this entire thing. I think
Speaker 1: it would have served t W much better. Definitely would
Speaker 1: have served you know, Prew better. But whatever.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think part of it too is
Speaker 4: he was never not attainable for Prue. He's like here
Speaker 4: I am and I'm ready to go all the way
Speaker 4: and it's kind of like I'm I'm mister available. Look
Speaker 4: I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. And there was no
Speaker 4: there was no chase for Prue to get this relationship.
Speaker 4: There was no obstacle to overcome, you know, there was
Speaker 4: no courting that needed to be done the other direction.
Speaker 4: He was just wide open and totally into you, which
Speaker 4: felt a little desperate.
Speaker 3: This is something that has been like a universal thing
Speaker 3: throughout like literary and cinematic history.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: If you look at Pride and Prejudice, it's like your
Speaker 3: darcy like that, there's a Are you talking about.
Speaker 1: Joe Wright's version of Pride.
Speaker 3: And Prejudice one of my favorite movies of all time?
Speaker 1: You know I've seen it like thirty two times. Me too.
Speaker 3: I watched that movie at least once a year. It's
Speaker 3: one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 1: Great score, probably twice a year.
Speaker 3: Fine, I watched it three times a year.
Speaker 1: With that movie.
Speaker 3: I'm in love that you're in love with that movie.
Speaker 3: I think we should watch it together.
Speaker 2: Watch party.
Speaker 1: Yay?
Speaker 4: Do you guys want to go to Calistoga Springs this weekend?
Speaker 4: Watch it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, I just all come out to you and I'll
Speaker 3: watch it.
Speaker 4: Guy.
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen this movie, anyone who has not
Speaker 3: seen Joe Wright's Pride and Prejudice with Kieran and Niley
Speaker 3: and Tom wamscams, I'm like you on his name at
Speaker 3: Matthew mcfaden. It is one of the most beautiful adaptations
Speaker 3: of any novel I've ever seen, and it hits every
Speaker 3: single time, and it is so beautiful they play it perfectly,
Speaker 3: and you are rooting for them, but they keep missing
Speaker 3: each other just by like little increments, and then finally
Speaker 3: when they get together, it is the most spoiler alert sorry,
Speaker 3: it is the most powerful, beautiful, Like you're crying. You've
Speaker 3: been rooting from the whole time. If Andy and Prue
Speaker 3: had one one hundredth of this, it would have been better.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is the problem with women in
Speaker 1: this world is that we either read books like this
Speaker 1: growing up, when we see movies like this, and then
Speaker 1: somehow we think that romance is supposed to be like
Speaker 1: pride and prejudice and is often not. Sadly, I think
Speaker 1: you know that the way that men treat women back
Speaker 1: then is very different than now. In a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: it's better now, in a lot of ways it's worse now. Right,
Speaker 1: It's a give and take. And by the way, Matthew
Speaker 1: mcfaie thin like then you see him on Succession and
Speaker 1: you're like, who are you?
Speaker 3: It's the best?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's insane. All right, Well, maybe we'll do a
Speaker 1: watch party of that movie at some point.
Speaker 3: Oh that's such a good idea, right, I'm all the
Speaker 3: way in on that.
Speaker 1: So Holly, your character Piper brings Mark to the house
Speaker 1: to tell us that he's a dead guy. He's a goat.
Speaker 1: You know, you explain to us he has to have
Speaker 1: a proper burial before Yarma takes the soul. And then,
Speaker 1: you know, for some reason, we're back into like the
Speaker 1: Phoebe premonition thing where you know, she finds a guy's
Speaker 1: wallet and then she gets a premonition that he gets
Speaker 1: run over by a pink What was it?
Speaker 2: Of all things?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: Sometimes I just feel like our writers were having this
Speaker 2: weird like drinking game in the writer room and they
Speaker 2: would just like throw things in there like yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a pink Cadillac. Yeah, they say, we're screwed exactly.
Speaker 1: And that storyline, I think we can, we can, we
Speaker 1: can wrap up kind of easily because it's it's it's odd,
Speaker 1: I find because of all the good stuff between you
Speaker 1: and John in this episode too, to keep on going
Speaker 1: back to two other storylines that are kind of insignificant
Speaker 1: to me that you know, she's obviously now trying to
Speaker 1: do good because she has this premonition. She comes across
Speaker 1: as you know, one of those psychic that just take
Speaker 1: people's money and scams them and everything else and the
Speaker 1: man and then I guess his wife or whatever she
Speaker 1: is to him are like, oh, this is the woman
Speaker 1: who's trying to, you know, take advantage of you. They
Speaker 1: don't like her. They tell her to stay away, and
Speaker 1: she does end up saving him, which is great, and
Speaker 1: I think that's the end of that storyline.
Speaker 3: Real fast on that. The only problem, I mean, the
Speaker 3: problem I had solely with that storyline is that wildly
Speaker 3: she's responsible for the guy yeah running out, Like it
Speaker 3: wasn't she chasing him. Yeah, she's chasing him and he's
Speaker 3: trying to get away, so yeah, of her. So I
Speaker 3: don't think that was really fleshed out in the writer's room. Sorry, writers,
Speaker 3: I just like it didn't. It didn't work like she
Speaker 3: was the one responsible if she had never been there,
Speaker 3: that she would have never had that premonition. But and
Speaker 3: it never occurred to her even post like, oh wait,
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have been now this would have been actually
Speaker 3: maybe more interesting. She's in a place where she's kind
Speaker 3: of doing this thing where she's personal gain again, and
Speaker 3: then she's now put someone at harm's way. It's not
Speaker 3: like he was going to be in harms way and
Speaker 3: she just randomly saved them. She's responsible for him running
Speaker 3: out into the street, But is.
Speaker 1: She really because you know, when she saw the premonition,
Speaker 1: he had his briefcase, he had like stuff, and he
Speaker 1: was on his way somewhere. And yes, she intervenes and
Speaker 1: causes him to be you know, freaked out by her,
Speaker 1: so then she chases him, but.
Speaker 2: It is her fault.
Speaker 1: It probably would have happened either way. Like either way
Speaker 1: he probably would have ran out into the street and
Speaker 1: gotten hit by a car. But yes, in this instance,
Speaker 1: because she was pursuing her own premonition and so help
Speaker 1: bent on saving somebody's life who didn't want her help,
Speaker 1: she ended up being the cause of him almost being killed.
Speaker 3: So correct.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, Drew. It would have been interesting
Speaker 1: for them to explore that side of things, of you know,
Speaker 1: where's the responsibility, Like at what point do you say
Speaker 1: enough is enough exactly? Versus continuing to chase like what
Speaker 1: you think is your destiny but ultimately changing other people's destiny.
Speaker 3: That's really well put.
Speaker 1: I agree, Well, thank you, And then.
Speaker 4: She was like, pay me.
Speaker 2: Get back to the hotel, and my mistress she has
Speaker 2: to get a gift.
Speaker 3: There's a gift that's.
Speaker 2: Definitely his mistress, by the way, not the wife.
Speaker 3: Definitely not the wife.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why he ran out in the street exactly.
Speaker 3: And the wife was driving the pink Cadillac.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the case, bro?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right. So we're back at the house while watching
Speaker 1: the news, we all realize that they're reporting the actual
Speaker 1: murder of the dead guy. And PBC's a sign and
Speaker 1: Mark says it's a wu Han warehouse in Chinatown, and
Speaker 1: Piper goes, you like, go into the police thing to
Speaker 1: Andy's desk somehow, without him knowing, somehow, without any other
Speaker 1: police officer there, put.
Speaker 2: It in his mailbox. That's what it was.
Speaker 1: Did you put in his mailbox? I thought you'd put
Speaker 1: it on his computer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you slid it in there, all inconspicuously, of course
Speaker 4: I did, dude, which is bizarre when he comes out
Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, hey, what are you doing here,
Speaker 4: And you're like, oh, it's just passing through, you know,
Speaker 4: parked in the police parking lot. Just I'm just happening
Speaker 4: to be passing through, seeing what's up.
Speaker 1: She's like total a door open for like no one
Speaker 1: and talking to no one. Like Andy's like sure, great
Speaker 1: detect of is Oh.
Speaker 4: You're parked in a police parking lot.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what bug you about that scene. What bug
Speaker 2: me about the scene is the weird hug. The weird
Speaker 2: hug at the end is weird.
Speaker 4: That was a little weird.
Speaker 1: It was a lot.
Speaker 4: He's like, hey, you know, doesn't work out with Prue.
Speaker 4: You're a kid.
Speaker 2: Even if it was literally like episode six, it's still weird.
Speaker 1: That is funny. So you framed the killers so the
Speaker 1: cops will know that Tony Wong faked his own death.
Speaker 1: How smart of you, Thank you, thank you? How did you?
Speaker 1: I mean, how did you frame him?
Speaker 2: Because I put the newspaper so it says that he's
Speaker 2: did That's right.
Speaker 3: Very smart, very smart idea. Now I know we'd kind
Speaker 3: of discussed this. We have discussed this, But it's interesting
Speaker 3: how Piper your power kind of ebbs and flows in
Speaker 3: regards to time emotions. It's just like a convenience factor,
Speaker 3: like just enough time to kind of get that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's emotions. So like when she panics or
Speaker 2: when she's terrified, or and she doesn't know she can't.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know how to keep it up.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't know how to keep what up?
Speaker 2: She doesn't she needs somebody.
Speaker 4: That's a question for Andy that.
Speaker 1: I just zone out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just because you know me, you
Speaker 2: knew what I meant, because that's how I'm feeling this morning,
Speaker 2: feelings him inappropriates.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so you frame him all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Andy's like, oh, I'm a great detective, blah blah blah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then we have the whole part that we already covered.
Speaker 1: He'd be runs out. Now. This says that she pushes
Speaker 1: him out of the way so that he doesn't get
Speaker 1: hit by the car. I would love to play it back,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to let the fans tell us if
Speaker 1: she pushes them out of the way or not. But Drew,
Speaker 1: You're still right she sort of forced him to run
Speaker 1: to get away from her. So we've closed that book.
Speaker 3: There's one thing before we skipped, and I think it's
Speaker 3: kind of important is when Mark. When Mark brings Piper
Speaker 3: to his house because the mom is looking for him. Yes,
Speaker 3: and Piper has an opportunity here to kind of say
Speaker 3: It's like a full Odame Brown style moment where she
Speaker 3: can kind of tell her about like, Hey, this is
Speaker 3: what's happened to your son and you elect not to. Now,
Speaker 3: why do you feel, Piper, why do you feel like
Speaker 3: you did that? Sorry?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, she doesn't sorry. First of all,
Speaker 2: she doesn't know Chinese and she's trying her best, and
Speaker 2: Mark is not easy. It was not easy because she's
Speaker 2: not qualified to That's what do you think it was? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think she doesn't feel qualified to give next of
Speaker 2: kin bad news.
Speaker 1: I agree with her, like, how is she supposed to
Speaker 1: give that info? And look at the mom and be like, no,
Speaker 1: your son's right here. This is how I have all
Speaker 1: of this info. He's a ghost, he's right. Like, what
Speaker 1: a crazy conversation to have with a woman you don't
Speaker 1: know at all.
Speaker 2: Even though the mom was very spiritual and I feel
Speaker 2: like she would have rolled with it, Piper was not ready.
Speaker 3: Well, he was basically wanting you to tell the mom
Speaker 3: where the body was so he could get buried, so
Speaker 3: he doesn't get taken by Yama. So what my interpretation,
Speaker 3: like the hopeless romantic, was you've kind of caught feelings
Speaker 3: for this guy and you're not ready to let him
Speaker 3: go yet. So therefore, and that's you. You don't tell her.
Speaker 1: Maybe we would have if Piper had told her it
Speaker 1: would have been about twenty minutes short on the episode.
Speaker 2: That's right, and we still have something. We still have
Speaker 2: some creepy Andy to get to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I really feel like I feel like that
Speaker 3: was like you're not ready to let him go, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is true love, Like this is
Speaker 3: what it's all about. This is what we want.
Speaker 1: It is what we wanted. It is a last We
Speaker 1: never got it. Instead we got BK, just kidding, BK.
Speaker 4: Piper loves a dead guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yes.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: You know you got a type.
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, you're a dead guy too, Yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, And I kind of pull a little Andy on you,
Speaker 4: you know, totally leaving you no choice a little.
Speaker 2: You've been watching us since we were children.
Speaker 4: We'll get to that, we'll get You're.
Speaker 2: So much worse than Andy.
Speaker 1: So Mark Piper start kissing, and the killers rush in
Speaker 1: and kidnap hyper. I don't remember you guys actually physically
Speaker 1: being able to kiss. No, I remember being like, you
Speaker 1: know it, there was that, like I remember it being
Speaker 1: that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we rhymed it.
Speaker 3: It was a really beautiful scene. What was the original
Speaker 3: music from that scene? I wonder, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: That was something else that was really bugging me. There
Speaker 2: is a song in there that is so terribly creepy.
Speaker 2: I can't deal with the Amazon version of the music,
Speaker 2: like it's it's not okay.
Speaker 3: Just kidding Amazon, we love you.
Speaker 4: It's it's different on Peacock, is it?
Speaker 3: What do you have on Peacock? Do you have the
Speaker 3: original music?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so. It seems like it because I
Speaker 4: had Morrisey on what was the episode?
Speaker 3: Yeah, six seven, but yeah, that that seemed like that
Speaker 3: got me like just close your eyes and lean into
Speaker 3: it and pretend.
Speaker 1: So they kidnap you, re rush in to try to
Speaker 1: save you. They try to shoot me, but you save
Speaker 1: me by freezing the bullet. And then Andy shows up
Speaker 1: and shoots Tony Wong sol leaves his body, and then
Speaker 1: Yarma comes to take Tony's soul, but Piper stops him
Speaker 1: from taking mark soul because Yama's I guess, like, whose
Speaker 1: soul do I take? I think he takes Tony's, but
Speaker 1: then doesn't he also try to take Mark and stand
Speaker 1: in front and say, no, you can't have him, you
Speaker 1: can't have him. Correct, he's mine, it's mine. You can't
Speaker 1: take this good.
Speaker 3: Man's soul again, I think it. Yama is like he's
Speaker 3: a he's an equal opportunist. He just wants any and
Speaker 3: all souls. He doesn't but he doesn't he doesn't have
Speaker 3: discerning taste, let's say, but you kind of he can't
Speaker 3: take obviously a living soul, and the fact that you
Speaker 3: stand in front of him, I believe he just like
Speaker 3: kind of respects it and leaves.
Speaker 1: Well, dude, he's also against like the charmed ones.
Speaker 2: That's truly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would leave if I'd be like, okay, girls,
Speaker 1: have fun with your dead guy over here. And then
Speaker 1: we're at Mark's funeral where you know, he tells me
Speaker 1: to treasure my birthday because you don't know how many
Speaker 1: you have, which doesn't mean anything, because what really means
Speaker 1: something is this scene between Piper and Mark, and like
Speaker 1: that connection between you guys as actors and how you
Speaker 1: portrayed that was so great and it was so like
Speaker 1: you almost like I kind of started crying a little
Speaker 1: bit when I watched it because it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was so beautiful. And then like
Speaker 1: a little dad showed up and you're like, no, please
Speaker 1: don't go with the dad. Stay with Piper. Stay with Piper,
Speaker 1: he's mine. Yeah, it was just but then you're like,
Speaker 1: obviously he has to go, and at least his dad
Speaker 1: is like greeting him and taking him into you know,
Speaker 1: the after world. Yeah, and it's still a beautiful moment.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, and b kay, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to because it was really the first time that
Speaker 1: we saw Piper have that kind of like romance. So
Speaker 1: I think it was really impactful. Obviously, like when you
Speaker 1: fully come into the show, when you guys start your romance,
Speaker 1: it's a different kind of a romance because it's not
Speaker 1: one where she can't touch you, she can't do this,
Speaker 1: she can't do that. It's more a one that you
Speaker 1: realize they can actually have and it's also really beautiful
Speaker 1: and wonderful. So I'm not gonna say sorry to you,
Speaker 1: because I'll compliment you a lot later when you have
Speaker 1: that relationship with her.
Speaker 2: We'll get to you. We'll get to You'll get to you.
Speaker 2: But we're going to talk about John Show some more
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was my introduction into being a professional, Like
Speaker 5: that was the first time I really learned what casts
Speaker 5: do you know, how you take care of one another,
Speaker 5: and that was really eye opening to me how you
Speaker 5: were there for me and how you took care of
Speaker 5: one another. I thought, Okay, this is how it's supposed
Speaker 5: to be done, and I've taken that forward.
Speaker 2: Having a good guest star that is as committed to
Speaker 2: the moment as you are is like such a huge necessity.
Speaker 5: I was going to say the opposite, which is, I
Speaker 5: was so felt so lucky to have you as my
Speaker 5: acting partner because I was very green. I didn't know
Speaker 5: what I was doing, and there's no way that I
Speaker 5: could have stumbled through that without someone of your caliber.
Speaker 5: And I was really I was watching it, and I
Speaker 5: was reminded of my impression when I got home that night,
Speaker 5: which is like, Holly is so simple, and I mean
Speaker 5: that as the highest compliment. It is She's just saying
Speaker 5: these words and meeting them, and I can't believe how
Speaker 5: she can do this. And you know, for me, as
Speaker 5: a young actor, you're trying to push so much, and
Speaker 5: it was so interesting and instructive to watch you simply
Speaker 5: mean the words.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 5: I was struck by it then so deeply, and I
Speaker 5: was struck by.
Speaker 3: It on the rewatch. He's so wonderful. I'm such a
Speaker 3: massive fan of his work, and he's so complimentary and
Speaker 3: he's an intelligent actor. You can tell, like with how
Speaker 3: he approaches not everything, like everything from Charmed all the
Speaker 3: way till now. Just an incredible dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have this beautiful, beautiful ending between Piper
Speaker 1: and Mark.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I even caught this last time,
Speaker 2: but I didn't realize that Graham's was the one that
Speaker 2: taught Piper to cook and that whole scene that they
Speaker 2: have where they find this common ground and love of
Speaker 2: cooking and they like the same books. Sorry, BK, but
Speaker 2: it was just it was so everything about it was great,
Speaker 2: and I was like, how did I not remember, like
Speaker 2: the whole cooking thing and Graham's being the one and
Speaker 2: you know, being a chef. But then I became a hostess,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's all downhill from there.
Speaker 1: Then he became a night club owner and a bartender
Speaker 1: standing on bars dancing.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was one time, one time.
Speaker 4: What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 1: But anyway, like it's it was weird to me that
Speaker 1: we would and I get that every episode needs like
Speaker 1: a button on it, but to go from that beautiful
Speaker 1: thing to like now we're back at the house and
Speaker 1: there's like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah the Funerals after party. Yes, when I.
Speaker 1: See Andy there and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Why are we back on these dudies literally lurking in
Speaker 2: the back rind. Here comes Andy like a shark.
Speaker 1: I was just like, why did we have to go
Speaker 1: back there? Like why couldn't we have ended it with
Speaker 1: you know, you guys or him walking away with his dad,
Speaker 1: but then like stopping and turning back and you two
Speaker 1: just having this moment and just in the show on that,
Speaker 1: because that to me was you know what the show,
Speaker 1: the show was really about, like love and that episode
Speaker 1: and what you do for love and how you fight
Speaker 1: for love and how you have to give things up
Speaker 1: for love, and yeah, I just wanted it to in there.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was a spelling thing where they
Speaker 2: always wanted to end on like a light, lighthearted moment. Basically, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think like I feel like that's a note. It
Speaker 2: would have been like a network or a producer note
Speaker 2: being like, oh, but we have to wrap it up
Speaker 2: in a happy bow tie with Andy lurking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, although it was a great episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, that was a tough moment to go
Speaker 3: from like this really powerful beautifully executed scene by everyone too,
Speaker 3: like oh now it's a party and we're just now
Speaker 3: all laughing and smiling and happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, props to Piper who can
Speaker 2: go like, lose the love of her life, sorry to
Speaker 2: be gay, and then be like, but I still pulled
Speaker 2: off the surprise party.
Speaker 4: First love of your life?
Speaker 1: Yes, first love, I would say, that's not the love
Speaker 1: of your life. Okay, all right, you knew him for
Speaker 1: a day, Yeah, he's a days.
Speaker 2: I brought him blankets. We slept together. I mean no,
Speaker 2: we didn't.
Speaker 1: You didn't really sleep together.
Speaker 4: Nobody slept that night.
Speaker 3: Back to the warehouse.
Speaker 1: All right. So that was was episode four.
Speaker 3: Dead Man Dating, dead.
Speaker 1: Man Dating even like the title where no one sleeps,
Speaker 1: like everything about it.
Speaker 3: Usually these titles are like a like a witty spin
Speaker 3: on something like something wika. This way comes what what's
Speaker 3: dead man dating? Based like what's the what's the witty?
Speaker 1: He's dead but he's trying to date.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's dead man walking.
Speaker 3: Dead man walking?
Speaker 1: Yet it so fantastic job Holly especially, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: thanks guys,