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Speaker 1: The former Texas congressman and current Republican presidential candidate Will

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Speaker 1: Hurd just announced he has reached the donor threshold for

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Speaker 1: next week's presidential debate. Kayla and I spoke with herb

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Speaker 1: about the border, the front runner, and the rn c's

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Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say. I said, I'm not

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Speaker 3: My issue is not with not supporting the Republican nominee.

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Speaker 3: It's that I do not plan on supporting a Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: I think Donald Trump's running for president in order to

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Speaker 3: stay out of jail, not to make America great again.

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Speaker 3: And so that's been been my concerns since the very beginning,

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Speaker 3: and I'll be sicking to that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: Congressman Ronal McDaniel of the RNC has said, this pledge

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Speaker 4: really is a beat Biden pledge. So if the scenario

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Speaker 4: is it's Donald Trump versus Joe Biden, would you really

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Speaker 4: like to see Joe Biden be beat? What's the lesser

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a future scenario.

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Speaker 3: The scenario right now is going to be Will Heard

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Speaker 3: us Joe Biden that's what we're working towards, and that's

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Speaker 3: what I'm focused on. That's why we're continuing to hit

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Speaker 3: those requirements. And if your viewers go to herd for

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Speaker 3: those requirements by donating at least one dollar. But my

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Speaker 1: The other issue, of course, is not just that the

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Speaker 1: former president is leading in the polls, but he has

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Speaker 1: the biggest name ID across the nation, name ID that

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Speaker 1: I know that you're still trying to get that recognition

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Speaker 1: for If you don't make the debate, how are you

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Speaker 3: Well, the reality is running for president is not one election.

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Speaker 3: It's fifty seven elections all the states and the US territories.

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Speaker 3: And you know, a state like New Hampshire, which is

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Speaker 3: the first in the nation primary, it's one fifth the

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Speaker 3: size of my old congressional district. They appreciate a dark

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Speaker 3: horse candiate like me. But again, my goal is to

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Speaker 3: I d You know, I'm a startup, right and the

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Speaker 3: way that a startup is as successful as have the

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Speaker 3: right product market fit.

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Speaker 2: That starts by.

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Speaker 3: Understanding who your customers are and who your customers aren't

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Speaker 3: being able to live off the land and have a

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Speaker 3: level of simplicity within your organization in order for you

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you, though, what you expect

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Speaker 1: to see on that debate stage We're now seeing trove

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Speaker 1: of documents in New York Times is just reporting about

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis' team and what their advice to the governor

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Speaker 1: Florida is, take a sledgehammer against mister Rameswami and to

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Speaker 1: defend Donald Trump. Why are none of your colleagues willing

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Speaker 1: to say what you're willing to say to hit the

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Speaker 1: man that is directly in front of them. If politics

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Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, they're afraid.

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Speaker 3: They're scared, And I would say that if you're not

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Speaker 3: afraid to take on Donald Trump and be honest about

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, then you not prepared to be president of

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Speaker 3: the United States. And the fact that this treasure trover

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Speaker 3: campaign is in is that he has to have his

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Speaker 3: This is a flawed strategy. Listen, I'm not a political

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Speaker 3: I'm not a political a scientist. However, I've won some

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Speaker 3: really tough elections that nobody thought I could win, and

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Speaker 3: I've won at a time when tens of millions of

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Speaker 3: one thing I learned in all this. You can't kiss

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Speaker 3: the behind of your opponent. That's not a winning strategy.

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Speaker 3: And why they're doing this again, they're afraid they do

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Speaker 3: I think they believe that all the legal challenges that

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Speaker 3: that for some reason he's not going to continue with

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Speaker 3: we have to beat him in a primary once and

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Speaker 3: for all. And that's what we're trying to do, and

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Speaker 3: that's why I decided to run for president.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so on that note of your run for president,

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Speaker 4: let's talk about some specific policy issues. If we could,

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Speaker 4: you obviously are coming to us today from Texas, where

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Speaker 4: you harold from the issue of the border. In particular,

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Speaker 4: why as president, if you were president, could we actually

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Speaker 3: Sure, the last piece of bipartisan legislation that passed on

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Speaker 2: D Aguilar, California.

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Speaker 3: We need someone who actually understands the border and is

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Speaker 3: not just interested in talking tough showing up to Arizona

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Speaker 3: once to say you understand the border is not it?

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Speaker 3: I live there, I represent an eight hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: Just quickly here, do you think Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro

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Speaker 4: my Work should be impeached? Is that a proper course

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Speaker 4: of action to pursue Given what you just said about

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Speaker 3: I think the Secretary of Homeland Security should be fired.

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Speaker 3: If Joe Biden is serious about homeland security, and if

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Speaker 3: he's serious about trying to solve this humanitarian crisis. Then

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Speaker 3: the first thing he needs to do is fire MAJORCIS

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Speaker 4: But if he does, an Congress impeach him.

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Speaker 3: Look Congress, in my opinion, and impeachment is a violation

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Speaker 2: Is their laws that are not being enforced.

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Speaker 3: I can make an argument that the way they're treating

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Speaker 3: fire MAJORCIS and start over in order to show that

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Speaker 3: Anybody who thinks that we have operational control of our

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Speaker 3: and that's what he said at his latest hearing. The

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Speaker 2: I'm in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned China a lot in this interview. President Biden

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Speaker 1: You spent years in Pakistan, you spent years at the

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Speaker 1: CIA as a CIA officer. Do you agree with the president?

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Speaker 3: Well, I believe that the Chinese government is the biggest

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Speaker 3: This is probably one of the few bipartisan issues in Washington,

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Speaker 3: And this is not my opinion that the Chinese government

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Speaker 3: And that's why we have to be growing our alliances,

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Speaker 3: whether it's with NATO, with the EU in the broader

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Speaker 1: Well, it feels like the President is doing that, especially

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Speaker 1: tomorrow's he meets with the leaders of South Korea and Japan.

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Speaker 1: But on a policy front, if you were to become president,

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Speaker 1: would you want a more faster decoupling from Beijing?

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Speaker 2: Look, I think decoupling is.

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Speaker 3: Not the right way to describe what needs to happen

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Speaker 3: reciprocity is probably the better word to describe where our

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Speaker 3: and businesses to do that here in the United States.

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Speaker 3: If the Chinese agreed to be part of the WTO

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Speaker 3: But again, that's going to require us to start making

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Speaker 4: That was Republican presidential Canada. Will heard from Texas speaking

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Speaker 4: to us from Dallas,