WEBVTT - Creature Spooktacular Classic©: Undead Fish Skin 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.840 Welcome to Creature, feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:15.080 of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:20.720 and today on the show, it's Creature. We we're bringing 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:25.919 you some spooky species, some foolish genuses, tales that will 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.000 chill you to the beat, and boat from undead fish, 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:35.320 tailor rodents and flying zombies. These real stories will send 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.800 shivers down your spine if you have one. Discover this 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.560 and more as we answer the age old question can 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.800 you still be fashionable? From beyond the gray? Joining me 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.000 today is front of the show, one of the maniacal 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.279 minds behind the website one nine hundred Hot Dog and 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.480 co host of the podcast The Dogaga the Zone, Robert Brockway. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.280 Welcome, Hey, thank you for pronouncing all of the letters. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.800 Nobody ever does that, and I'm offended every time you did. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.959 Forget nine thousand. We put a nine thousand on there 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.880 to make it extra hard to search. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.360 As anyone who listens to this podcast can attest to them. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:18.000 I'm great at pronouncing things, especially Latin names for stuff, 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:22.240 and it comes out as a beautiful letters and vowel. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:23.760 Salad from my mouth. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:31.479 Dogus zonicus from the Latin for the area of dogs. Yes, exactly, exactly, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.559 thanks for having me for a spooky spook aween. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:39.520 Spook aween. I should have called you Rob Boot. There 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.720 it is. Remember when we all did that with our names. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.880 That was fun. That was innocent times. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.920 That was Twitter right before uh, before it fascism. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:54.000 Yeah, a more innocent time. There's there's uh, there is Sean. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:58.360 I guess I'll let them in. Oh yeah, just let 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.440 him in. I don't know if he's here. He says 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.120 he's here, but it's just it's his ghost, his spooky ghosts. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.320 Oh, that's what he's doing. He's doing a bit. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.880 He's doing a spooky ghost bit. I feel like we're 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.400 gonna find we're gonna reading the newspaper that he died, 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.400 but he joined the podcast after he died. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.799 Who was Shawn Baby? That's a game. I haven't heard 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:27.280 a ny on twenty years. Has been dead the whole time. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.680 There hasn't been a Shoen Baby here since the Great 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.840 Bloodening of nineteen eighty seven. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.320 Some say you can still hear him out there on 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.120 that old innet. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.360 What's this we've got. I'm sensing something. It's coming through 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.440 through the fog of my seance globe with my crystal ball. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.360 A figure emerges. Who is this? Is this the other 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.760 co host of the podcast, the Dogoga his own and 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.000 one of the other their maniacal minds behind the website 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.119 one nine hundred Hot Dog. Could this be the legendary 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:13.040 ghost whisper ghost Tickler shambaby dot com. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.560 Yes, I'm I'm the legendary ghost tickler. That's what people 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.360 know me as. Thank you. It's a pleasure to be 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.519 back to tickle the ghosts. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:25.720 Yeah, well we we we are truly shocked. We reached 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.120 out to you through this stance. I thought it was 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.359 a scam, but here you are. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.000 You have to do it in a ghost voice whole podcast, 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.040 ghost voice, ghost. 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:44.320 Voice wherever that tickles Sean booms, sham boo, baby, Welcome, Welcome. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:50.720 We are talking about spooky animals on this podcast this 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:56.000 time on account of it being the spookiest Halloween of all. Thanks. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:57.320 They like getting tickled. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:02.200 Yeah, the ghost Tickler on to catch a ghost where 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.760 they're like, hey, ghosts, why do you have a seat 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.160 over here? I'm gonna tickle you. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.240 And then I'm like, uh, this zemas for me? I 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.600 was here to show them the dangers of drinking six 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:13.560 Semas by yourself. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.839 Yeah, that was good. Rest in peace God. I forgot 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:23.560 that guy's name, Chris Hansen. Chris Hansen, he's still or 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:23.800 are you. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:28.280 Talking about one of the predators you're touching? Butts that 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.760 that was the man's name he had I legally changed. Yeah, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:33.000 we all should have seen it coming. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.000 Ripping piece. I love those funny tombstones they put up 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.120 on Halloween where they're like ripping' peace mister. But Yeah, 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:42.919 see more asses. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.480 Yeah, we got some of those in our neighborhood. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:46.800 Yeah. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.400 I meet a lot of squares now as a parent, Yeah, 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.520 there's a lot of You know, it's hard to like 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.720 pick your friends group when when all your kids go 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.240 to the same school, and so some of my daughter's 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.240 friend's parents are like, oh, yeah, I gotta see are 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.240 zany tombstones this year? 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.680 Have you ever have you ever gone to a haunted 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.360 house where they put out bowls of cold spaghetti and 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.080 they're like, ooh too terrifying spaghetti. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.880 As a ghost ticker, I legally am not allowed near 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.240 a bowl of cold spaghetti. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.680 Have you ever just busted the fuck up at one 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.640 of those tombstones, like you want to be too good 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:22.920 for it because you're a comedian. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:28.720 But then you're like, no, never classic cl The second 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.600 I felt that coming on, I would kick it over. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.240 I split my guts open. And when I saw tombstone 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:40.440 and it said, uh, here lies the ghosts dead person, 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:42.160 mister Butts. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:45.560 That one's pretty good. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:47.920 That one's yes, that is good. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.360 Today we are square test and I caught both of you. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.520 Yeah, well, you know, today we are talking about animals 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.960 who are spooky, spooky ghosts. We are first gonna talk 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:04.680 about a fish that can do skin magic from beyond 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:09.400 the grave. This is based on a great article in 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:14.080 the New York Times by Elizabeth and Brown or should 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.160 I say Elizabeth and boo around. Okay, I'll stop that 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:24.520 starting now. So, this is a fish called the hogfish, 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:29.360 the humble hogfish it is. It is a fish that 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.440 can do necrotic skin magic. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.160 So doing some hog hogskin magic on this fish. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.800 Hogskin magic, uh, tossing the old hogskin fish around. So 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:47.000 hogfish are found in the Atlantic Ocean. They are a 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:51.839 species of wrass that is this sort of patchy cream 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.560 and rusty orange color. It is a boxy, flat, sort 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:02.280 of trapezoidal shape with long dorsal spines. It's called a 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.880 hogfish due to an elongated hog like snout, which it 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:12.600 uses as a shovel to dig for small crustaceans in 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:17.080 the ocean floor. They're not small fish. They can grow 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.840 to be around twenty five pounds that's around the eleven kilograms, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.520 and they can grow over three feet long, which is 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.800 almost a meter, So you know, they are interesting fish. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.680 I have sent you a photo of this fish. It 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:36.600 is on its own, not that scary unless you're scared 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.720 of fish, in which case it is pretty scary, given 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:40.960 that it is a fish. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.360 Definitely definitely scared of fish, especially especially hogfish. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.720 Yeah, it does. The face is a little unsettling. You 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.640 don't like that scene in Beetlejuice where Alec Baldwin kind 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:58.000 of like stretches his face out. It looks a little 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:58.360 like that. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.920 He looks almost exactly like the guy that did piercings 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:08.400 at the at the Central Organ Mall in nineteen ninety seven. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.080 He's got the three little spikes, the weird beady eyes, 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:12.720 big old. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.000 Guy that did your belly button. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.320 Yeah, yeah, and amongst amongst other things. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.960 Did he Did he do a good job or did 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.280 you get like a belly button infection? 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.840 Well, the belly button was fine. He actually did a 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:31.400 piercing called the hogfish. Ah, yeah, that's that's left over. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.319 I lost some sensitivity that was big in the eighties. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.720 So you know, this fish, it's uh, you know, pretty 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:46.840 typical fish stuff. But they can I mean, they're interesting 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:52.120 because when they are born, all hogfish are female, and 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.160 they are what is called a sequential hermaphrodite, meaning they 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:01.679 will change their sex as they mature, depending on environmental conditions. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:06.559 So they become male when they become large, or when 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.480 there is a political opportunity such as there being no 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.960 dominant males in the group, and then they become they 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.640 switch their sex from female to male and becomes it 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.480 become a dominant breeding male. So you know, this is 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.439 so far typical fish stuff. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:29.280 Very normal, very normal stuff for Yeah, exactly, like mayor 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:30.880 a political opportunity. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.560 I used to do the same thing in the fraternity. Yeah, 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.480 sometimes convenient. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.960 Look you know what they elect, they elect their mayor 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.120 and then it becomes sexually male. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.280 So exactly, I triple in size, Yeah, I get much 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:51.160 more masculine. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:58.120 Yeah, get uh you start like, uh being interested in sports? 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:58.400 Is that? 0:09:58.960 --> 0:09:59.839 Is that a guy thing? 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.800 What I like to do for my sports? I like 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.360 to take my snout and dig in the ocean floor. Yeah, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:06.840 and then I'll eat crabs. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.439 Yeah. Man, such a guy thing. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.120 So with the with the bros. 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.680 So another interesting thing these fish do is they change 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.680 their color. They can change the color of their skin 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:28.679 in seconds, from say, being a patchy, rusty orange to 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:34.079 brown to white depending on their surroundings. Surroundings, they will 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:35.800 change the skin color. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.000 I have a fish question. Can they mix and match? 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:40.840 Can you be like I'm going to be a rusty 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:47.000 lady today or a white fella? Is? Are you locked in? 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.880 Always easier on the white fellas, always easier? 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.640 So yeah, I mean they they're The ability to change 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.240 their color and their sex are not really super related. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.800 They can both change their sex and change their color. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.800 Changing their sex is more of a like permanent thing, 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.520 a change that they will undergo if there is a 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.679 male power vacuum. Changing their color is something they can 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:17.439 do anytime pretty much, and they do it to camouflage 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.959 with their environments, so trying to blend in, so you know, 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:27.280 they they can't. Unfortunately, they can't like switch back and 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.360 forth between male and female whenever they want within seconds. 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.640 But that would be rad and. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.520 It would be I love that it works, like like 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.800 picking classes in Overwatch. Like just nobody's nobody's playing Boy. Really, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:44.560 nobody's playing Boy, right, I guess I'm not good at Boy. Yeah, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:46.480 we need one Boy. 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.080 We need one Boy. Does anyone want to play Boy 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:49.560 this time? 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:50.880 You know it's not fun. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:52.480 I played Boy last time. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.000 It's your turn play first playing Overwatch. I was just 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.360 this is just like being a fish. Been there. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:08.480 Yeah, well, so they can change much about themselves. Again, 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:12.000 this is not like particularly unusual for a marine life. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:16.959 There is there are a lot of marine animals that 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.920 can change their skin color, although this is not super 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:27.080 common for fish. And what is odd is that researchers 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.480 have noticed that hogfish are able to change their skin 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.439 color from beyond the grave. So this is where I 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:40.520 get spooky from a watery grave because this is the 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:41.600 ocean and it's. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.720 All watery grave by rusty hog. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:55.920 So a marine biologist Lorian Skware god no waker Lorian 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.559 Schweikert noticed a speared hogfish on the deck of a 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.240 fishing boat was still able to change its skin color 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.040 to match the deck of the boat upon which it 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:08.000 was impaled. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:14.760 Wow. Yeah, did we check her for paint scientists? You 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.280 can't trust him, that's what they tell me in church. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.480 Yeah, there was, I believe there was. This must have 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.200 been in the eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds. There 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:29.960 was like some experiment with like mouse skin, grafting skin 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:31.920 up from one mouse to the other mouse. But then 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.640 it turned out they just colored the mice with like 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.280 a pin, so they colored them black markings on the mouse. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.400 So that does happen sometimes. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.120 Yeah, and it's where Steven Sagall learned his hairline. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.480 Yeah, that's right. He glues mice to the front of 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:46.880 his face. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.559 Right, it's like face off, but you just kind of 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:54.199 scribble in those those Nicholas Cage eyebrows. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:57.000 Over your own face. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.880 This straw Nicholas cage face in sharpie on your face. 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:01.920 Special effects. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:07.439 Yeah. Now, fortunately this seems to be absolutely real. She 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:13.599 and a group, this marine biologist Lareens Swikert and a 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.800 group of researchers studied the skin and found that underneath 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:24.480 the chromatophores, so chromatophores are color changing cells. Underneath these chromatophors, 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:29.200 there's a cell type that contains light detecting proteins, So 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.040 this is the first time that light detecting cells have 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.440 been identified in the skin of a vertebrate, a vertebrate 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.840 being something that's got a spine. It is similar to 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.320 the light detecting cells found in the skin of cephalopods 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.920 like squid like octopus is colofish, but this is the 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.120 first time these kinds of cells have been found in 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.400 a vertebrate, and the positioning of the light sensory cells 0:14:55.600 --> 0:15:00.680 underneath the chromatophors may be strategic. So the chromatoph these 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.640 color changing cells are typically a reddish brown color, which 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.920 may filter out the abundant blue light in the ocean, 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.240 and by filtering the excess blue light, they may be 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:18.440 more able to accurate the light detecting cells underneath. The 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.320 color changing cells may then be able to accurately detect 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.560 the color of their surroundings with this blue light filter 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.240 and be able to better match the coloration where they 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.280 are and camouflage better. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.920 And this works completely independent from like the fish that 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:38.640 it's living on. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.280 This is what's weird, right, So after the fish dies, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.520 even though the brain has ceased to function. These cells 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:52.280 continue to function for some time before cellular decay takes place, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.000 so an effect, the skin lives on longer than the 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:57.040 actual fish. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.560 So science says the skin it's haunted. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.640 It's haunted, haunted, fish. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:03.440 Taken away from this. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.880 Yeah, so if I was to make a tow pay 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.360 of this fish skin, I could have like hair that 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:13.080 just changed color. Yeah, for are we talking like hours? Days? 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.800 The rest of my I don't know how long your 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.880 fish skin to pay would last, whether it be hours 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:25.880 or days. I would say not that many days, and 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.640 it would certainly would offer a kind of unique perfume. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.000 But otherwise I think it'd be very fetching. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.520 But for a special night out, like it would last 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:37.040 through that. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.600 For a special night out, Like, well, that's. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.800 Good, it's good news. You're giving me great news, Kating. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.320 You know, if you want a color changing fish skin 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.960 to pay for a special night I'm not gonna say 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.400 you can't do that. We actually have used fish skin 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.920 to treat burns in human beings. So like using fish 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:03.800 skin that has been especially treated, you know, and I 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.480 believe disinfected, and then you put the fish skin over 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.080 a burn wound. The fish skin helps to lock in 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.520 moisture and help with healing by being sort of a 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:20.880 a It's almost like a better bandage that is more 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:28.119 gentle on damaged skin. So you know, is there a future, right? 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.400 Is there a future in which we can choose instead 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.920 of having like a wig or to pay to graft 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.399 fish skin onto our heads and maybe keep it alive 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.600 with our own blood supply without violently rejecting it. Maybe 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.480 we are going to take a quick break while I 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.760 called police, and when we get back, we are going 0:17:51.880 --> 0:18:00.879 to talk about carnivorous mice. So you guys remember that 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:07.840 book bunicular about the vampire bunny. Yes, that book was 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.080 kind of unsatisfying to me because I think it was 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.240 like the cat was paranoid about this vampire bunny and 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.600 kept trying to kill it, but because it's a cat, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.800 it was stupid. So it thought like a steak meant 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.960 like a surloin type steak, and like put a steak 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.680 on top of the bunny and the bunny was like 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.000 what And then it was like, hey, you were too judgmental, cat. 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.960 But also it's vague about whether or not the bunny 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:39.200 is a dracula, so I don't know. I didn't understand 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:45.520 the books so well. But the point, yeah, the point 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:52.080 is there are mice that are basically like carnivorous vampires 0:18:53.320 --> 0:19:00.280 that are actually causing mass destruction and killing innocent bird birds. 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:03.560 Can we prove those birds are innocent? 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:09.120 You know, birds are innocent and help proven guilty, Robert. 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.120 Your nanny bird state ethics. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.480 I'm a I'm just being justice simple bird lawyer. But 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.800 I thought in the country of the United States, birds 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:23.399 was innocent. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.200 Toll prove all birds are guilty. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.080 Actually, this is not happening in the United States. This 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:33.680 is happening and Marion Island, it's a small island south 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:38.240 of the tip of Africa. In the eighteen hundreds, French 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:44.520 seal hunters trapesed about this Marian island and went about 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.760 killing seals, disrupting things, making croissants out of like, I 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:54.400 don't know, seals, I guess. And they brought with them 0:19:55.000 --> 0:20:00.840 French house mice who quickly started running around the island 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:06.360 and you know, making themselves real comfortable. And now they 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:11.840 are still invasive on these islands. Even though this island 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.479 is not inhabited by humans, it is still inhabited by 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.719 the mice that the French sailors left on the island. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:25.000 Colonialist vampire mice. Yeah, no, word of mice. 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.720 No mouse is an island, but a bunch of mice 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:34.680 can be on an island and be vampires. So yeah, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:40.200 I have a cross stitch live laugh vampire mice. So 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:48.280 warm weather has caused the invasive mouse population to explode, unfortunately, 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.840 not explode as in a fiery combustion, but to explode 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:56.800 in number. And the mice must compete for food with 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.080 a limited supply of plants and insects, so they have 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:03.320 started to devel a taste for blood, for the blood 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:04.000 of birds. 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.320 Does anybody have a vampire mouse? Impressed? I don't have that. 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:10.280 I don't have that. 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.080 Blood. I am a mouse. I don't belong on this island. Blo. 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:20.640 It's me Mickey mouse pire, and I want to suck 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.480 your blood and soon. 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.240 Yeah, go to suck your blood. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:26.960 And then sue you. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:35.119 Now in Francis, litigious colonialists, vampire mouse, you sue you, 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.200 exploding ligious. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:47.200 So yes, these mice, uh what I said, Travian madam? Okay, 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:52.439 So these mice uh want to feed on the blood 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.640 of these poor birds, these sea birds. There are millions 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.200 of sea birds who live and breed on the island, 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:05.240 including albatross, is School's King penguins, Gintwo penguins, crawls is shags, 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.639 and many more. Uh so a lot of sweet, cute 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.160 yeah penguins. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.159 When you said they're drinking bird blood, I was like, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.960 I don't care, go crazy mice. But now you're talking 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:17.720 king penguins. 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:18.480 No, now it's pain. 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.480 Something has to be done, Yeah, something has to be done. 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.840 There's something about penguins where it's like, I think humans 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:30.040 are so biased towards bipeds. We're like, you walk on 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:31.800 your two feet and you don't. 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:33.600 They're tummy, which is even cuter. 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:37.040 You got a tummy. Any any animal that has a tummy, 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.040 we empathize with animal. 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.400 Any animal that wears a suit, that wears a little 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.920 suits and you can dress up. Then you're you're okay, my, 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:45.560 I mean. 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.200 Every day is a black tie event for these tummy 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:49.200 sliding best friends. 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.040 I think the tummy theory is strong, right because some 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.960 of our most hated animals, like wasps, have the opposite 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.560 of a tummy, and so we don't like them. But 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.160 they got a tummy, then we like them. So yeah, 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:06.080 these are cute birds and it's an important area for 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:11.080 them to breed in. And so, uh, the fact that 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.720 these mice have developed a taste for bird blood is bad. 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.640 And you might be asking, how does a mouse eat 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:22.640 a bird to death? Well, it does it very slowly 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:27.200 and horribly. So the mice will attack chicks or I 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:27.560 got this. 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.200 If they merge to form one man shaped mouse, yeah, 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:36.400 and grab it with its swarm of mouse, a swarm 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.280 of mice mocking our human hands. 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.840 I like the logic of the mouse forming like a human, 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.240 giant human shape. Like it's They're like, what's what's more 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.360 powerful than one mouse? It's a bunch of mice. What's 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.040 more powerful than a bunch of mice? A human made 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.760 out of a bunch of mice? And then we just 0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:00.800 punched the birds. Well, that would almost be more humane 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.119 than what these mice do. So the mice will attack 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:07.479 these birds. They attack both adults and chicks, and they 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:11.959 will just chew away at the bird's skin over days. 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:16.920 So yeah, like the mouse can just like chew away 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.920 at a bird. And the birds have not co evolved 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.159 with these mice, so they don't really know what to do. 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.359 And it's not like these are some of the more, 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:33.320 how do I put this gently? These aren't the brightest birds. 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.840 These aren't like, you know, I talk a lot about 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.240 how smart parrots and corvids are. These are you know, 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:47.159 they're sweet, they are cute, but maybe they're not the 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:49.160 most intelligent birds out there. 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.560 And so how would these birds know that they don't 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.000 like their skin being eaten. They've never had the opportunity, yeah, 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.239 in their evolution to have their skin eaten, so they 0:24:58.280 --> 0:24:59.280 don't know not to like it. 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:04.640 Of course I saw I think it was a David 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:06.720 Attenborough special where it was one of those snakes that 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.480 has like a bugtail, and so he's like wiggling his 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.840