WEBVTT - The Police Shooting Death of Brandon Durham (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Another unfortunate police shooting event, this time coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas. You may have seen the video online. Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>Durham was shot to death by Las Vegas Metro Police

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<v Speaker 1>Department after calling them to help him with an intruder

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<v Speaker 1>in his home and the intruder was taken into custody

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<v Speaker 1>alive and well. And we and many people online, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>view that as problematic. So reverting to type, we will

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<v Speaker 1>All right. The police shooting death of Brandon Durham. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember when I saw this video online and I sent

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<v Speaker 1>it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Q, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted you to know about it and read sort

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<v Speaker 1>of what happens so that you'd be familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I told you don't watch it, and I have not,

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<v Speaker 1>okay for those that don't know. In order to protect

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<v Speaker 1>our own mental health and not be overwhelmed with harm

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<v Speaker 1>done to black and brown bodies, we often take turns

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<v Speaker 1>consuming traumatic videos and then we lean on the other

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<v Speaker 1>to help us get through it. But we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to become overwhelmed. So this one was mine. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>saw this video, a very quick video, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to share a little bit from the associated press and

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<v Speaker 1>then share with you what I saw. So again from

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<v Speaker 1>the AP, A Las Vegas man called for police help

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<v Speaker 1>during a home invasion before an officer fatally shot him,

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<v Speaker 1>according to authorities and nine one one calls, Brandon Durham

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<v Speaker 1>called nine early November twelfth, saying he was hiding with

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<v Speaker 1>his fifteen year old daughter after someone broke into his home.

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<v Speaker 1>Assistant Sheriff Dorry Korn said Durham is heard pleading with

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<v Speaker 1>the dispatcher to send someone asap and audio recordings obtained

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<v Speaker 1>this week by k VVU TV in Las Vegas. Koran

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<v Speaker 1>identified the officer who shot Durham as Alexander Bookman, twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Bookman was one of the first officers to arrive and

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<v Speaker 1>kicked in the front door. Koran said that the officer

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<v Speaker 1>found Durham in a hallway struggling over a knife with

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<v Speaker 1>the intruder, and a short clip of body camera video

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<v Speaker 1>released by the police, the officer yells for them to

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<v Speaker 1>drop the knife, then fires one round. Durham and the

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<v Speaker 1>intruder both fall to the floor. Then the officer moves

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<v Speaker 1>closer and fires five more rounds while standing over them.

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<v Speaker 1>The video shows Durham, forty three, died in his home.

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<v Speaker 1>Corn said Durham and the intruder knew each other. The

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<v Speaker 1>intruder was arrested in charge with home invasion and assault.

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<v Speaker 1>David Roger, general counsel for the union representing Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>police officer, said Saturday in a statement that Bookman was

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<v Speaker 1>not at fault. Quote. While mister Durham's death is tragic,

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Bookman was doing his job and did not intend

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<v Speaker 1>to commit a crime. The person responsible for mister Durham's

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<v Speaker 1>death is in custody, he said. Durham's family once Bookman

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<v Speaker 1>fired and charged in the shooting. Quote, Mister Durham was

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<v Speaker 1>not threatening anyone. There is no justification for the use

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<v Speaker 1>of force against mister Durham. Lee Merit, a civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>attorney representing the family, said at a news conference. The

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas Review Journal reported. Clark County District Attorney Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson said in a statement that it was too early

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<v Speaker 1>in the investigation for him to comment on possible charges.

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<v Speaker 1>Bookman is on paid leave while the Las Vegas Metropolitan

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department investigates. Oh yeah, I saw the video and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as the article mentions, they're both standing in

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<v Speaker 1>the hallway. Brandon Durham is shirtless and he's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>holding the intruder in the hallway, and the officer comes

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<v Speaker 1>in and maybe one second passes and Durham gets shot.

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<v Speaker 1>The man with no shirt on. You know, it's his house.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one that called clearly. He gets shot, falls

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<v Speaker 1>to the floor, the officer keeps shooting him, and he dies.

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<v Speaker 3>He dies right there.

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<v Speaker 1>The intruder, of course, as I mentioned, is taken into custody.

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<v Speaker 1>And I try my best to look at these as

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<v Speaker 1>on a case by case base, even though I know

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<v Speaker 1>that this is systemic, just because I know what the

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<v Speaker 1>opposition might say, I know what people who have critical

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<v Speaker 1>minds might say. Okay, I also try to put myself

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<v Speaker 1>in a position like that where I have to make

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<v Speaker 1>a split second decision, like what is it Is it

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<v Speaker 1>easy to get something like that wrong when your emotions

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<v Speaker 1>are heightened, when you're afraid, Because I do imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>police officers, even though they claim to be brave, are

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<v Speaker 1>just as terrified, probably more terrified than the average person,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're constantly met with all kinds of stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is me trying to extend as much grace as

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<v Speaker 1>I can, but even here, all of that breaks down

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<v Speaker 1>for me. And the reason for that is because I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen executions before. You know, when you shoot somebody and

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<v Speaker 1>they drop and then you walk up on them and

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<v Speaker 1>empty the clip into them. You know, I come from

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<v Speaker 1>a very bad place where things like that happened, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, one shot might have been an oops,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but the rest of these shots, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like an oops. When we're talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Sonya Massey is another person that called the police into

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<v Speaker 1>her home, you know, and I made the case when

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about her that, you know, to to the

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<v Speaker 1>man with a hammer, all the world is a nail or.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Police culture kind of encourages this overly violent

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<v Speaker 1>reaction oftentimes when black people are at the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the storyline. And you know, now we have another example

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<v Speaker 1>of a person and these aren't the only two we've

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<v Speaker 1>covered that We've covered stuff like this for many years,

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<v Speaker 1>but two recent enough examples where they check more or

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<v Speaker 1>less the same boxes. A black person calls the police

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<v Speaker 1>because there's an intruder at their home, The police show

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<v Speaker 1>up and in their life, and you know, people wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>why do black people not trust the police? Why do

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<v Speaker 1>black people not want to cooperate or talk to the police.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't black people not want to be around the police.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such an interesting place to be right now for

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<v Speaker 1>me because where I try to extend some grace and

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<v Speaker 1>have like a critical analysis of what happened and take

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<v Speaker 1>this systemic approach and try to explain it on that

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<v Speaker 1>level to appeal to you, know, you, our listener, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting to have trouble because for me to say it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like I'm talking to a wall. You see

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<v Speaker 1>the systemic issues right here. These human beings are losing

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<v Speaker 1>their lives. These police get to go home and they

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<v Speaker 1>get paid for it. And then the police unions or

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<v Speaker 1>the police protection agencies will try to preemptively chronicle and

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that suggest the officers are doing their job. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no reverence for the fact that a human beings life

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<v Speaker 1>was lost.

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<v Speaker 3>They shift the.

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<v Speaker 1>Blame instead of looking at hey, maybe our officers shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have guns on the hip at all times. Maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>should carry whatever things they have to do. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>should have officers carry insurance so that if they make mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>they will be uninsurable and unemployable. That's something that's very

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<v Speaker 1>easy and very sensible. Anything that changes that system they

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<v Speaker 1>push back against, and they will do that and instead

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<v Speaker 1>put in front of us. Here's who's really to blame.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy shouldn't have broken into his house. Sure, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you that. But people break into houses, people have disagreements,

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<v Speaker 1>people have mental health lapses, people have problems. The one

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<v Speaker 1>consistent thing is that the police always show up with

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<v Speaker 1>the guns, and at least on this show, the one

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<v Speaker 1>consistent thing is that the black people always end up dead.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I've kind of talked this around that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've seen you kind of WinCE a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 3>Please, you know, share with me what's on your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>You.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, this one's tough.

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<v Speaker 3>This was not more tough than the others.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I saw it, but it's still, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Not more tough than the others. It's not more tough

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<v Speaker 3>than Sandra Massi.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not more tough than the thousands of stories that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>the hundreds that we've covered. What the AP does not

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<v Speaker 2>point out is that the person who was the suspect

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<v Speaker 2>was described in nine won one call to the dispatcher,

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<v Speaker 2>and the dispatcher described the suspect to the officers. When

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<v Speaker 2>the police arrived, the suspect was wearing exactly what the

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<v Speaker 2>suspect was said to be wearing, and the other person

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<v Speaker 2>was not wearing anything similar to what the suspect is

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<v Speaker 2>said to be wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't wearing anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So once you've shot the wrong person once to you

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<v Speaker 2>continue to shoot them and then to have your union

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<v Speaker 2>show up and say you did nothing it's like you

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<v Speaker 2>did nothing wrong, humanizing. Wait, your officer did nothing wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone's dead who wasn't the intruder, and you don't think

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<v Speaker 2>your officer did anything wrong. You're not saying I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think my officer deserves to spend the rest of their

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<v Speaker 2>life in prison, because as a human being, I could

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<v Speaker 2>understand you arguing that for somebody under your employ or

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that maybe you care about, or somebody who is

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<v Speaker 2>your job to defend. But to argue that your officer

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<v Speaker 2>did nothing wrong, it's just genuous strips every piece of

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<v Speaker 2>dignity away from the person and their family, and their friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and their loved ones, and their coworkers, and their church

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<v Speaker 2>family and their neighbors. It does not just affect that person,

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<v Speaker 2>It affects everyone that knows and cares about them. And

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<v Speaker 2>we have to consume this knowing that now, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry that everything relates to him, but it does. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a president elect who plans to extend blanket immunity

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<v Speaker 2>to law enforcement. So those who make mistakes are okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and those who are very, very intentional about taking our

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<v Speaker 2>lives are also okay, And we have to pretend that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know that those officers exist as well. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of these officers the grace I will extend have to

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<v Speaker 2>be scared because they have to feel like every time

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<v Speaker 2>they get called, their life is on the line. But

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<v Speaker 2>you applied for, tested for, and trained for that job.

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<v Speaker 2>You convince someone that you wanted it. I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>be a police officer before. You have to go through

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of steps to get there. So you left

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<v Speaker 2>home one day an application, went to a job, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you passed the physical plaster written tesk and had

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<v Speaker 2>to pass an oral bar review and convince someone how

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<v Speaker 2>badly you wanted to be an officer, only for you

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<v Speaker 2>to become an officer and be so terrified that you

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<v Speaker 2>shoot and kill the person who calls you for help.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone comes along, says you do nothing wrong, You get

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<v Speaker 2>paid leave. In most cases, a district attorney who's friendly

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<v Speaker 2>with the police and the police unions agree that nothing

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<v Speaker 2>was wrong and there's nothing to see here, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>not even going to press charges.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not even going to pursue a case.

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<v Speaker 2>And you either go back to work for that agency

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<v Speaker 2>or another agency hires you, and you go all about

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<v Speaker 2>your life.

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<v Speaker 3>You get to make living.

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<v Speaker 2>Your kids get to see you, or your wife gets

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<v Speaker 2>to see your husband get to see you, your family

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<v Speaker 2>gets to see you. Everybody that loves you gets to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to have a life with you. The person you

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<v Speaker 2>killed no longer exists, and everyone that cares about them

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<v Speaker 2>has to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing changes about your life, nothing changes about the laws,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing changes about the way that we do things. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we have to get on the radio, yeah and

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<v Speaker 2>try to pre that there's hope here, that there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be change at some point, that the next time

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<v Speaker 2>you see a police officer in traffic or at a

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<v Speaker 2>store or walking down the street, that you shouldn't be afraid,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the people you should.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep calling when you need help is the people who

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<v Speaker 3>might show up and kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the toughest position of all to be in. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been there, I've you know, you mentioned that you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be a police officer, and you shared a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit without me with me before. I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>you had gone through all those steps, So that is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that shows really how far that went. But yeah, once

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<v Speaker 1>upon a time I did something similar. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>domestic issue and a woman that I was seeing at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, she became upset and she threw something at

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<v Speaker 1>me and hit me and I started bleeding, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, I probably should leave my house.

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<v Speaker 1>I left, and I was bloodied and all that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. But she had been screaming the whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>so my neighbors had heard, and I'm like, okay, black

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<v Speaker 1>man leaving. I was in a black range rover at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. I'm like, let me make sure that I

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<v Speaker 1>get out in front of this because this could in badly,

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<v Speaker 1>like if I if the woman says something. Thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>she told the truth. But if she says something that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't happen, this looks really bad. So let me pull

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<v Speaker 1>over at a circle K make a phone call and

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<v Speaker 1>report this. And I remembered the steps that I went through.

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<v Speaker 3>I called.

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<v Speaker 1>I says, I need an officer to meet me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at the corner of this street, in this street, at

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<v Speaker 1>the corner store. It's a well lit area. I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>a black SUV. I am, I'm the good guy. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wearing X, Y and Z. There are no weapons, no drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing like that in my car. I just need someone

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<v Speaker 1>to come take pictures, just so that this is documented.

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<v Speaker 1>And I could tell you more of the story because

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like kind of wild that I would be

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<v Speaker 1>in that position, but I don't want to put anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else's business out there. So you know, everything worked out.

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<v Speaker 1>This person had was going through a mental thing and

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<v Speaker 1>there was nothing I could do. I couldn't leave until

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<v Speaker 1>I had to because I was bleeding. But yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember being afraid after being harmed to.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a catch twenty two because if she

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<v Speaker 1>does something, I'm in trouble. And if I do like

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<v Speaker 1>if I call, if she calls them, I'm in trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I call them, I could potentially you might

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<v Speaker 1>be in trouble. And so there was no getting away

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<v Speaker 1>from that because the last thing I needed was to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the news or you know, in handcuffs or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. You know, that's the radio personality arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all that sort of stuff. I've never been arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, but it just kind of, I think

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<v Speaker 1>goes to show you that there's a couple of steps

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<v Speaker 1>that mentally we go through before even making a phone call.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that this story of Brandon Durham illustrates

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<v Speaker 1>the why because in my story, you know, I've shared

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before, but my earliest memories were the

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<v Speaker 1>LAPD and the LAPD For those that are fans of history,

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<v Speaker 1>are those old enough to remember, that's the same police

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<v Speaker 1>department responsible for the Rodney King beating and the subsequent riots.

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<v Speaker 1>People didn't riot because Rodney King got beat up. People

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<v Speaker 1>rioted because the police were doing that everywhere, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there was no accountability for it. Now that it's on

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<v Speaker 1>video capture. There was a long standing story and before

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<v Speaker 1>Rodney King happened, I Ramses saw with my own eyes

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<v Speaker 1>how the police treated.

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<v Speaker 2>People, and it was in Rodney King's case, no one's

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<v Speaker 2>guilty of anything. Yeah, like, that's the frustration, you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's guilty of anything. We watched to beat this

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<v Speaker 2>man and within an inch of his life on video.

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<v Speaker 2>No one did anything wrong, is what you guys are saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We can get if you're arguing our officers don't deserve

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<v Speaker 2>to spend their life in prison. I'm going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>using that example because I'm trying to use this the

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<v Speaker 2>good one. I'm trying to use the most extreme example, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the most extreme accountability. I can get you as an attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>as their union, as the people who are paid to

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<v Speaker 2>protect them, I can get you taking a stance that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't deserve to spend the rest of their lives

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<v Speaker 2>in prison. But continuing to take the position that they

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<v Speaker 2>did nothing wrong over and over again, and then our

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<v Speaker 2>justice system agreeing with you is insanity. No one did

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<v Speaker 2>anything wrong here, that's the argument that's being made. You

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<v Speaker 2>might remember there was a parody movie called Naked Gun.

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<v Speaker 2>We were very young, but the generation and above us

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<v Speaker 2>might know that movie was a parody of lawlessness within

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<v Speaker 2>the LAPD and the lack of accountability. Yeah, Like there's

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<v Speaker 2>a line in the movie where a guy even says

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<v Speaker 2>something about, like, how many people does an officer of

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<v Speaker 2>this department have to unlive to get in trouble? He

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<v Speaker 2>asked that out loud because it was so ridiculous that

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<v Speaker 2>this movie is now thirty something years old.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's been like that.

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<v Speaker 1>If it came out today, it wouldn't have to change.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have to change.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, you're not wrong, And the truth is is that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's unfortunate that we're having, as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>you another story to share about, you know, another black

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<v Speaker 1>man losing his life at the hands of police. And

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, you know, I understand that everything can

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<v Speaker 1>get appealed up to the Supreme Court, but the truth

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<v Speaker 1>is that the Supreme Court can't hear everything, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are also.

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<v Speaker 3>Put a time that would have mattered it doesn't anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's fair. But you know, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>we do this show because there is the capacity at

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<v Speaker 1>least to appeal to you, our listener, and a common

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<v Speaker 1>sense of humanity and a common sense of decency where

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<v Speaker 1>changes can be made, where fights can be waged, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we still want you to do that. We've committed to

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, even though this is a frustrating chapter in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives. This is not our forever, nor should it

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<v Speaker 1>be yours. And you know, there are still people that

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<v Speaker 1>are doing meaningful things. And you know, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>now's the time to batten down the hatches, and whether

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<v Speaker 1>the storm, we still strategize, we still move forward, and

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<v Speaker 1>we do so so that people like Brandon Durham, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't just die in vain and their energy dissipate into

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<v Speaker 1>the ether and the infiniteness of the universe. That this

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<v Speaker 1>death counts for something. So with that in mind, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>leave it right there. As always, I'd like to thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for tuning into this episode of Civic Cipher. I've

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<v Speaker 3>I'm tired of this story. Yeah, I'm tired of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too. Well hope, hopefully next week we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a different story. So y'all stick around and until then, peace, Peace,