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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast, presented by by Star Credit

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Speaker 1: with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. This week's guess somebody

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about and I know that Jaguars fans will

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Speaker 1: be excited to hear from him. It's a strange time

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Speaker 1: with bringing in a new coaching staff because they're hard

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Speaker 1: at work, they're busy, they're not thinking about the media yet,

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Speaker 1: but yet fans want to know what these guys are doing.

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Speaker 1: So this is our first opportunity to really to sit

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Speaker 1: down and talk with Jaguars offensive coordinator Darryl Bevil and Darryl,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing this first of all, and a

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Speaker 1: very general lead in how's it going. Yeah, Well, one,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that we're still doing this. We're still

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Speaker 1: on zoom after all this time, you know, but it's

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Speaker 1: going great. I mean, we've been in the office here

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Speaker 1: for for quite a while since January and um and

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Speaker 1: we've just kind of grinding away really just putting together

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Speaker 1: the plan and uh, you know, you know, whether it's

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Speaker 1: the plan of you know, acquiring the talent with the draft,

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Speaker 1: with the free agency. Also during that time we're putting

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Speaker 1: a playbook together as well, you've been through this before.

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Speaker 1: NFL coaches have switched jobs, they go to new regines. Um,

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Speaker 1: is there anything that strikes you about the process that

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Speaker 1: Anything that sort of stands out about putting this together

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Speaker 1: compared to your past stops. Yeah. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's great excitement here in Jacksonville. One. Obviously, we

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got coach Urban and Um, and I

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Speaker 1: mean I think there's obviously buzz here in Florida because

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Speaker 1: things that he's done in in his past, whether it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's one everywhere he's been. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's something that that naturally creates a buzz. I think

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Speaker 1: having the first pick in the draft obviously creates, you

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Speaker 1: know a little bit more buzz um. And then what

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Speaker 1: I mean we're just here working. We're ready to get

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Speaker 1: teaching them of the things that we're gonna do this year.

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Speaker 1: You hadn't really met Urban before. This is it sort

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Speaker 1: of your first go around impressions? Uh, how is that

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Speaker 1: plan but the offense, Yeah, it's I mean it's been Uh,

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Speaker 1: as you know, it's I mean, it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: different in this business to to not have any connections

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of given tape. We got

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Speaker 1: as well as other guys, but um, the communication between

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Speaker 1: How does that process work? Once he gets sort of

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Speaker 1: And you know number one is running the football. You

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Speaker 1: you do it. When you see the guys throwing the

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Speaker 1: very much. I look forward to working with you. And

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Speaker 1: thanks for being on the Other Zone podcast today. It

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Speaker 1: means a lot. Thanks, John, appreciate it. Yeah,