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Speaker 2: The World's a Big podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to batre Gets Unfiltered. Why don't you run down

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Speaker 3: the latest moves?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's well, it's just one. It's just kJ kJ Osborne.

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Speaker 4: He's a player. He can play in the NFL, and

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 5: He can play in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: You know, first year the quarterback does okay in the

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Speaker 3: second year, like his coordinator is a guy from the defense, Like, like,

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Speaker 3: you're not.

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Speaker 5: Allowed to do that after the way you talked, allowed

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Speaker 5: to make those kind of you? Thanks, I.

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Speaker 3: So you're into May.

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Speaker 5: Just yeah, it's got to be May. It's gotta be mag.

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Speaker 4: He's just Jalen Ragers are leading the wide receivers. He's

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Speaker 4: shooting up the depth chart.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, Like as.

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Speaker 4: No, well, I wasn't really listening to you at that point.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Superpowers that he's made some of those.

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Speaker 6: Oh he's always working, Blue, He's always working.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say something really smart and then you

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Speaker 5: just had to do that, all right.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 3: at Jillette Stadium. It's Deuce, it's Alex, it's Evan. No, Paul,

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Speaker 3: it's that annual show March madness. He's uh knee deep

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Speaker 3: in Miller lights at this point.

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Speaker 4: Well but it started it but lights. Yeah, right, good,

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Speaker 4: even he's probably he's about four SIPs in right now,

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Speaker 4: twelve or five, but we we I texted him at

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Speaker 4: I don't know ten. I thought he'd already be pregaming,

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Speaker 4: but Paul apparently waits till the start of the game

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Speaker 4: before he gets going.

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Speaker 5: So well, the games are at like eleven thirty, so

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Speaker 5: I hope along way.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, this is his fun day. But loser

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Speaker 4: is that?

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Speaker 3: No, See, this isn't loser Palooza. Loser Palooza was when

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Speaker 3: he would go to some other tournament. It was like

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Speaker 3: some mid Atlantic tournament that like Delaware was in in

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Speaker 3: Northeastern and he would do that with his friends. They

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Speaker 3: would actually travel to it. That was loser Palooza.

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Speaker 5: Jeez, yeah, sounds fun.

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Speaker 4: A bunch of your buddies go to some random, yeah

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Speaker 4: basketball tournament, well not random for Paul it's Northeastern. He

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Speaker 4: loves it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I wish that. I I was big into

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Speaker 5: March Madness as a kid. I you know, fill out

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Speaker 5: yourself still so you'd like cross off the teams and

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Speaker 5: stuff like that. Now it's all digital. But nowadays, like I,

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Speaker 5: you know, you have to prioritize, like you can only

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Speaker 5: watch so many sports, like you can't watch all of them.

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately college basketball with no real rooting interest in it.

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Speaker 5: I think it's probably why. You know, there's no Boston

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Speaker 4: So it's just we had you mask for a little

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and BC has had their moments, but that yeah,

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Speaker 5: Jared Dudley, Providence didn't even make it. Yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: They didn't even fill out a bracket for.

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Speaker 5: I just I tried. I looked at took one look

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Speaker 5: I'm literally good, I'm going to be picking based off

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Speaker 4: That one that one. But Nicol had harassed me a

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Speaker 3: No one even asked me.

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Speaker 4: No, well they know you're you're you gotta you gotta feel.

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Speaker 2: For there wasn't one on your desk, A bracket on

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Speaker 5: No, it's not too late.

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Speaker 4: We got you. I only did it because I knew

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Speaker 5: Like okay, good, Like here you go. I meant to

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Speaker 3: She came into my office, yes, and she goes, I'm

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Speaker 5: She's a character. What was it?

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Speaker 3: Mine was keep being creative? It's contagious.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's pretty good for content creator. Yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, is she making these up or she's.

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Speaker 2: Making them up in front of me.

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Speaker 9: She scribbled something on a post, put it down in

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Speaker 5: And she keep up.

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Speaker 4: She's gonna come charging down here in a second, I hope.

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Speaker 3: So all right, what do we got? Oh?

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Speaker 4: The last couple of days. We did talk to kJ

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my biggest takeaway from him was that

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Speaker 5: He knows that they're not going to come in here

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Speaker 4: Okay, I just hate the questions like do you feel

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Speaker 5: To be honest with number one, what does that mean?

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Speaker 5: Let's be realistic, Okay, Like just you are already realistic

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Speaker 4: But I will say, the last couple of years, you know,

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Speaker 5: How does that play out?

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Speaker 5: I think, I really think you're just gonna have to

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Speaker 3: And somebody is this. I heard somebody say, I think,

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Speaker 5: He is very different players like Adie Mitchell is. You know,

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Speaker 5: I compared him to Michael Pittman junior. He's in that

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Speaker 5: one position. But it sounds like Tyler Hughes, the wide

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Speaker 4: Top they have a high top fade because that might

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Speaker 4: clarify who it was.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, and I have to figure that out, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was. Both those guys are projected picks twenty to

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Speaker 5: first round. You don't you don't run four two to

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Speaker 3: Well depends. You know, Taekwon like, it's great to run

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Speaker 5: This guy can run routes like this was a guy

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Speaker 5: now and Worthy that then went to the combine and

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Speaker 5: Now he ended up in jail.

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Speaker 4: Anything else going on, Well, we're gonna hear from mister

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got the owners meeting next Monday and Tuesday.

443
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Speaker 3: On Monday, gerad mail will be live on Patriots dot com.

444
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Speaker 3: It's seven thirty Eastern.

445
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think between.

446
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Speaker 3: Fifteen and then the owner will probably talk to the

447
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 3: media like he does every year, like in a scrum. Yeah,

448
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 3: and so we'll turn that around and have it on Tuesday,

449
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Speaker 3: I believe.

450
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, they'll be me and Tamara will be down

451
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,639
Speaker 4: there a couple of video guys, so we'll do some videos.

452
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Speaker 5: Of course, there's you know, big big.

453
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Speaker 4: Party down there too, which is always fun. You have

454
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Speaker 4: like all of the NFL is there.

455
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Speaker 3: The cocktail sauce will be flowing.

456
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Speaker 4: I am curious if if the Patriots staff is at

457
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Speaker 4: the party, because last year.

458
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Speaker 5: It was, you know, it's like, hey Andy Reid, Hey

459
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Speaker 5: Sean McVay.

460
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Speaker 4: You know, everywhere you look, it's just like, oh, Melissa Stark,

461
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,679
Speaker 4: I mean that that's the whole night.

462
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Speaker 5: But no, no Patrio, Andy Reed, Sean McVay, Melissa, you know,

463
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Speaker 5: I mean what does she coach?

464
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Speaker 10: No?

465
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Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, it's it's media, it's it's coaches,

466
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Speaker 4: it's you know, everybody.

467
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Speaker 5: You know, we Tamary and I last year were talking

468
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 5: basically like Prime forty seven right at like three o'clock

469
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Speaker 5: in the morning, right and it's just you know, sushi

470
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 5: and little dinner, A little dance sounds exactly the same dance.

471
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Speaker 5: You know, you're out there and Andy Reid, somebody.

472
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Speaker 4: I wonder if it'll be at the combine, like somebody's

473
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Speaker 4: got to drive Andy Reid around in a golf cart

474
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Speaker 4: because that was so.

475
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Speaker 5: Funny, like like jerk road hog.

476
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Speaker 3: All right, what is this kickoff rule they're talking about.

477
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be like one of the spring leagues.

478
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Speaker 5: I lose track of them that they're considering, where it's

479
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Speaker 5: like you basically have like a strike zone that you

480
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Speaker 5: can you know, there's ten yards that you everybody starts

481
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Speaker 5: within the same ten yards so that there's no run

482
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Speaker 5: up to the play, but the only person that's outside

483
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Speaker 5: the strike zone is the returner. And it's worked in

484
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Speaker 5: the in the spring leagues, and they've actually produced, you know,

485
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Speaker 5: some good returns, but also you know, it's made it

486
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Speaker 5: much safer.

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Speaker 3: So it to me, I think there's an opportunity for

488
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Speaker 3: more runbacks with this because.

489
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Speaker 5: If you get past that initial wave initial wave.

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Speaker 4: It's opens a lot harder to kind of maintain leverage

491
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Speaker 4: when you're not running down the whole you know, you

492
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Speaker 4: can really.

493
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Speaker 3: It's just you and the kick.

494
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fun. What it was happening obviously was that

495
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Speaker 5: you know, there was strategy that they were starting to

496
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Speaker 5: like have guys like swoop around and you know, like

497
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Speaker 5: find different you hang back, will go, you know sort

498
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Speaker 5: of thing. So you know, there becomes a whole nother

499
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Speaker 5: layer of all, how to Freend's point, we can't just

500
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Speaker 5: have all eleven guys right at the point of attack

501
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Speaker 5: just like kind of drop back.

502
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Speaker 4: Even then yeah, yeah, Springer will have some some fun maybe,

503
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Speaker 4: But I think the I was kind of glad to

504
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Speaker 4: see the NFLPA came out like unequivocally against this hip

505
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Speaker 4: drop tackle thing that they're talking about, which you know,

506
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Speaker 4: I just I feel like there are certain so.

507
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Speaker 3: They came out against banning it.

508
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Speaker 4: Or against against it, like they don't want to rule

509
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Speaker 4: against it, they just want to they're all for safety.

510
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Speaker 3: But I just, I mean I think that there are

511
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Speaker 3: like it's going to be so hard to tackle, so

512
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Speaker 3: like I mean, and it's.

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Speaker 4: There's got to be just an easy example of a

514
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Speaker 4: guy that you don't quite have and you kind of

515
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Speaker 4: have to dive at him and grab his waist like that,

516
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like he's got a little

517
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Speaker 4: bit of an angle on you, but you are able

518
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Speaker 4: to at least get your hands on his waist.

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Speaker 5: It's like, are you do you just not try to

520
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Speaker 5: tackle him then?

521
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Speaker 4: Like I just, I mean, everybody's for safety, and I

522
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Speaker 4: mean we witnessed Gronk in twenty eleven. That was that

523
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Speaker 4: was this, I mean, that was the hip drop that

524
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Speaker 4: that kind of knocked him out of the super Bowl.

525
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Speaker 4: You know, we played, but I even Andre Andre It's

526
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Speaker 4: it's I mean, it's it's a hard one. But I

527
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Speaker 4: just don't see how you can consistently, consistently legislate.

528
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Speaker 3: If everyone on the field was the same size, it

529
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Speaker 3: would be different. But you know, sometimes you've got you know,

530
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Speaker 3: a small safety trying to you know, tackle a running

531
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Speaker 3: back who's broke loose, or you know, a six to

532
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Speaker 3: four receiver or a tight end. You know, so like

533
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Speaker 3: you can't do it, you're gonna you're gonna end up

534
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Speaker 3: maybe causing more injury because guys are gonna be in

535
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Speaker 3: bad positions trying to make tackles.

536
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Speaker 5: I believe I remember, and I could be wrong, but

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Speaker 5: I believe I.

538
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Speaker 4: Remember Gronk talking afterwards about how what what the ball

539
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Speaker 4: carrier can do to avoid that kind of injury when

540
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Speaker 4: you know a guy is about to wrap you up

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Speaker 4: around the waist. And I forget what he said exactly,

542
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Speaker 4: but I mean, you know, I don't want to put

543
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Speaker 4: it on the ball carrier to avoid injuring himself. But

544
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Speaker 4: I do think that it's you know, something that needs

545
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Speaker 4: to be taught to avoid it as well. But yeah,

546
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Speaker 4: we'll see what what happens down there in Orlando.

547
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Speaker 5: It's tough because this is the hip drop tackle is

548
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Speaker 5: a development of the way they want you to tack

549
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Speaker 5: it their head right, It's the Seahawks tackling method to

550
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Speaker 5: get your head out of the tackle, which is the

551
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Speaker 5: whole head's up tackling. Like that's all the way down

552
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 5: to like Pop Warner little league football, and they get

553
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Speaker 5: that from rugby, right, and now because of that's the

554
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Speaker 5: technique it the next iteration is the hip drove tackle

555
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Speaker 5: and that it sort of was birth because of this,

556
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Speaker 5: and it's like, well, which one do you want? Do

557
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Speaker 5: you want us to you know, keep our head out

558
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Speaker 5: of it and tackle safer with you know, that technique

559
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Speaker 5: and then not hip draw tackles. Now, to Mike's point,

560
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Speaker 5: there's one way to tackle and if you can't do

561
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Speaker 5: it that way, and then I guess it's a touchdown play.

562
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Speaker 5: You just see guys pull up and be like I can't.

563
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I get the horse collar. But do

564
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Speaker 3: we have a lot of examples of these hip drops

565
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Speaker 3: causing injuries?

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Speaker 5: Like I don't remember, like so last year was really bad.

567
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Speaker 3: Like what kind of injury does it cause?

568
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Speaker 5: Usually the ankle or like leg injuries.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's like a sudden stop.

570
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Speaker 5: Because it's your dead weight falls on the guy's legs.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it falls on the legs.

572
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So Mark Andrews got knocked out with it. Remandre

573
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Speaker 5: obviously got knocked out with it. But there's there's quite

574
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Speaker 5: a few of them. Last last year in particular, it

575
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Speaker 5: happened to be a spike.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of still shots of Bernard Pollard, like

577
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Speaker 4: in the eleven As Championship, just going, you know, you

578
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Speaker 4: can see him going right into Gronk's legs.

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Speaker 3: No I know, but like if you remember that play,

580
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Speaker 3: Gronk was like he was kind of hanging on and

581
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Speaker 3: Gronk was still going and then finally he got enough

582
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Speaker 3: leverage to bring him down. Like, I don't think it

583
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Speaker 3: was technique that hurt Gronk, it was just you know

584
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Speaker 3: that Gronk was hard to bring back.

585
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Speaker 4: It's exactly what you were saying earlier with the giant

586
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Speaker 4: Gronk trying. You know, even not a small guy but

587
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Speaker 4: has a has a knack for going into people's knees.

588
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Speaker 3: So maybe the you know, the runner or the ball

589
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Speaker 3: carrier has to be taught. Listen, when you're wrapped up,

590
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Speaker 3: just just go down, you know it's over.

591
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Speaker 4: I mean, I could be wrong, but I want to

592
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Speaker 4: say it was something like high stepping, like you have

593
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Speaker 4: to kind of high step once guy gets you by

594
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Speaker 4: the waist, you kind of I don't know, I forget

595
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Speaker 4: exactly get your legs out.

596
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Speaker 3: From under you or something like that. I don't know anyway, Okay,

597
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 3: eight five five pats five hundred day stick a hotline

598
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: web radio at pitches dot com.

599
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Speaker 4: No Paul today, So he's probably about he's he's about

600
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Speaker 4: two beers in now, I would say two bud lights.

601
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Speaker 3: Yeah, ish, So he's there's no fan fights going on.

602
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Speaker 9: We should have to make videos like before the day

603
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Speaker 9: starts and then at the end of the day check

604
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Speaker 9: dilly dilly.

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Speaker 3: I love I love how he's picking a fight with

606
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Speaker 3: the fans now, like they're not going to be good,

607
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: you know, so stop saying that they're gonna be good.

608
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Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna be the you know, the truth

609
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Speaker 3: teller when it comes to like the expectations of the team.

610
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Speaker 3: I haven't heard like there might be some people in

611
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Speaker 3: the radio like Yahoo's. But I haven't heard a lot

612
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Speaker 3: of people say Patriots are going all the way this year.

613
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Speaker 3: I've rarely heard people saying that they think they're going

614
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Speaker 3: to make the playoffs. I don't know who he's fighting with.

615
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I I just think there's that's reasonable.

616
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Speaker 3: I mean, it could happen.

617
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Speaker 5: Was this on two to six yesterday?

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Speaker 3: No, it was like on our show, I'm hoping it happens,

619
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Speaker 3: but like, realistically, we've got some work to do, right,

620
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Speaker 3: Maybe think maybe everything pops this year. We get a

621
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Speaker 3: quarterback at three, he starts right away and he's like

622
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Speaker 3: c J. Stroud, maybe all that can happen. But you know,

623
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Speaker 3: it's I think most people, and I'm talking about fans,

624
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Speaker 3: are being realistic about this.

625
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Speaker 5: I think it's your thing. Fred.

626
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Speaker 4: You've said many times, if like, I just want to

627
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Speaker 4: hope this year, I want to you know, I want

628
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Speaker 4: to see a scrappy team that's playing really hard for

629
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Speaker 4: their coach. You know, maybe they pull out a couple wins.

630
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Speaker 4: But I mean, you talk about two to six yester year.

631
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think Bard's been kind of saying, like,

632
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Speaker 4: you know, this is gonna take some time. And you know,

633
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Speaker 4: I understand, you know, Felger's point of like why why

634
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Speaker 4: you know, But there's also a big part of me

635
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Speaker 4: that says, what, what's the best case, what's the ceiling

636
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Speaker 4: for this team if they not.

637
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Speaker 5: Free agent see out of the park? Is it really

638
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 5: that much?

639
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: Like you make the playoffs and then you'll lose to

640
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, you lose to Patrick Mahomes.

641
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 5: Like they got work to do.

642
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: To get to that point where they can get over

643
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Speaker 3: the part of the genesis of this is like there's

644
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: some people I think Mike Bidar might be one of

645
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: them saying they last year they were really a six

646
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Speaker 3: to seven win team, And I understand like why he's

647
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: saying it, But Parcel said, you are what your record are.

648
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Speaker 3: Is the reason why you weren't a six or seven

649
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: because you made mistakes at critical times and that's what

650
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Speaker 3: a four win team does. So that's who you were.

651
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: You were a four team win team, you know, four

652
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: one team. So you can't avoid that, you know, like

653
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 3: if they didn't make those mistakes, if they didn't make

654
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: those critical turnovers, maybe they would have won six or seven.

655
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Speaker 3: But you can't play that game, you know.

656
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Speaker 4: I think that's a huge part of it that you know,

657
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 4: untimely mistakes inability to be clutched. But I also just

658
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 4: think that this offense was so and napped last year

659
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Speaker 4: on maybe not a historic level, but as far as

660
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Speaker 4: the league last.

661
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 5: Year, like for Patriots, it was pretty historical great point.

662
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 5: So you know, like that I can't ignore that that,

663
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: you know, are they better right now?

664
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know. They might be better right now. Actually,

665
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: like even with the holes that they still clearly have.

666
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not going to say they are better

667
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 4: and it's going great, like they got real holes to fill,

668
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: but that that offense last.

669
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 3: Year was remember coming off the year before we went

670
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: into last year, Bill O'Brien's here, that alone is going

671
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: to make this offense better and it didn't noble, So you.

672
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: Don't know, to get worse.

673
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: And I mean that's one of the great questions I

674
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 4: thought coming out of last season that you know, we

675
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: had that debate sporadically throughout the year of why are

676
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: they worse this year?

677
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 5: It's kind of the same.

678
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's the same personnel, if not better.

679
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: It's certainly an offensive coordinator that that should be better.

680
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: Than what we were, you know, spent the whole year

681
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: railing on Matt Patricia, you know, and everybody thought that

682
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: when they hired Bill O'Brien that he would at least

683
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 4: get them to a level that was service competency.

684
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 5: And he didn't.

685
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 4: And there and there were so many issues and reasons

686
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 4: why that it wasn't you know, Oh, they were just

687
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 4: a bad off. Like they were not only bad, but

688
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: like you said, they were like timely bad, like timely bad,

689
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: like we really can't afford and we're gonna win right

690
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: here mac Jones' interception against the Colt, you know, like

691
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: those plays that were just like completely take the win

692
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 4: out of the city.

693
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: Well, whoever the quarterback is, he's going to be better

694
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: than mac Jones. Okay, it's possible maybe, but like Jacoby Si,

695
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: he's gonna be better than mac Jones was his rookie

696
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: year or is he going to be better than mac

697
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: Jones was his third year?

698
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I just like I look at Max's rookie year,

699
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: and they drafted a quarterback in the first round, and

700
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 5: they spent two hundred and fifty million guaranteed in free agency,

701
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 5: and they improved by three wins they were a seven

702
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: win team the year before, and then they were a

703
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 5: ten win team the next year and out in the

704
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 5: playoffs and on wild card round. So in this year,

705
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 5: so you went, if you went and did the same

706
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 5: exact ding quarterback in the first round and went crazy

707
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: nuts in free agency, you'd go from a four win

708
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 5: team to a seven win team, right, And it's to

709
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 5: what end, you know, because what we learned is that

710
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 5: it doesn't go up like that was the first bump

711
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 5: the ceiling. The ceiling was twenty twenty one. It wasn't

712
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 5: you know, the next two years. So that free agency

713
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: class is going to give you that shot in the

714
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 5: arm instantly right away. But you're then so now you're

715
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 5: a seven win team and then what you know? And

716
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 5: I think that you hope that the quarterback would be

717
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: better and so he will keep developing and he will

718
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 5: you know, continue the ball forward. But I think these

719
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 5: people that wanted them to be more aggressive in free

720
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 5: agency are are just looking at a little bit short sightedly,

721
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 5: like they just okay, so they would have been maybe

722
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 5: a more competitive twenty twenty four roster.

723
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 9: Yeah, people want them to make like these win now

724
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 9: moves in these big splashes and it's like.

725
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: I mean, and I get it, like like that Spring

726
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty one, it was it was really fun

727
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: when they were signing those guys, and it was like

728
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: signing after signing, you're like, oh my gosh, I can't

729
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: even we got Hunter Henry and John Usmith. I mean,

730
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: it sounds kind of silly now to say it that way,

731
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: but that's how it felt at the time. So I like,

732
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: I don't, you know, fault the fans from wanting they

733
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: have that excitement, but.

734
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 9: Learn from which it's like, yeah, okay, we made these

735
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 9: win now moves, but it's like we had one foot

736
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 9: in that pool and the other on the sand of

737
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 9: a rebuild and a young core, and we.

738
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: Can all agree that maybe they wouldn't even won four

739
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: games if it wasn't for the defense. And I do

740
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: worry without Bill, how they're gonna be able to scheme

741
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: and match up the way they did last year. I'm

742
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: hoping maybe you know, via Brian Bill, you know, you know,

743
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: emails in the game plan and I'm only kidding, but

744
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, I'm sure that Bill was

745
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: a big part of how good that defense was and

746
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: the points that they were allowing and and hopefully you

747
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: know that will remain, you know, that edge on defense

748
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: will remain, but it's it's still wait and see. We

749
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: don't know.

750
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there are some things that I'm hopeful

751
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 5: that maybe they will evolve defensively, and they're not. They

752
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 5: were not evolving defensively. It's for all the falls offensively,

753
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: they were a defense that was still kind of edge

754
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 5: to a lot of extent. But you know, they're just

755
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: certain things that I think just to handle, specially like

756
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 5: these offenses with all the you know, a speed offense

757
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: like Miami or a spread offense like the Bills, that

758
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 5: you know, maybe they do a little bit differently, like

759
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 5: you know, playing a little bit more zone coverage or

760
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 5: being a little bit more exotic in the pass rush

761
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 5: that maybe that allows them to evolve in that way.

762
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 5: But in terms of situations like this is their third

763
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 5: and seven package, like these are the three place this is,

764
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 5: this is the three things we have to do to

765
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 5: win this game. Like that's what everybody always says about

766
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 5: Bill is that he would get up there and he

767
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 5: would say we need to do these three things, and

768
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 5: nine times out of ten he was one hundred percent

769
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: on the money with all three things, and that I

770
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 5: think they'll definitely miss.

771
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

772
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 4: I think my biggest just concern with the defense right

773
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: now is making sure there's.

774
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: Enough pass rush depth.

775
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 4: And you're you know, and no disrespect to Christian Barmore

776
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: and think he's awesome, he needs to be as good

777
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 4: as he was last year, and you need Jude On

778
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: to come back, and he needs to be as good

779
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: as he was before, and you need Ouce to go

780
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: back to that level he was at as.

781
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: A complimentary piece.

782
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: Jennings takes us that like then that's a big question mark,

783
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: Like but but does he start to bring in the

784
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 4: pass rush?

785
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: I mean he didn't bring much in the pass rush.

786
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: So you know those three guys like we've seen now

787
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: what is it two three seasons that's kind of their

788
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: pass rush cord, there's you know, not that young element yet.

789
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: Maybe there will be in the draft, and even if

790
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: it's like a new type that has a little bit

791
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: of a diminished value because he's only going to be

792
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: a pass rusher.

793
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 5: But I'm okay with that. They need some depth.

794
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: I think you don't's got some injury concerns.

795
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 5: Barmore.

796
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: We really believe in him and hopefully he can take

797
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: a step and off set. But really, after those three guys,

798
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: you wonder they're gonna have to scheme pressure and if

799
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: one of them goes down, it could be similar to

800
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 4: what happened last year.

801
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the phones. Let the listeners

802
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: get in on the action. We'll go first to Eddie

803
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: and La. What's up there?

804
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 5: Oh that's a new one.

805
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: I can't wait till we get on a new phone system.

806
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: So when people drop off, the line opens up. Right now,

807
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: If people it just says that, it just stays there.

808
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: It you know, it takes up the line. So all right,

809
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: enough of my pitching domination in New York sub dominic.

810
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 11: Hey, y'all, how you doing?

811
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: All right?

812
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 11: Hey don okay, So just a quick thought in questions

813
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 11: for y'all. But you know, the free agency period of

814
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 11: you know, Patriot's glad they retained talent. Obviously, no big

815
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 11: moves at tackle and receiver. I was, you know, Donn

816
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 11: just trying to get a quarterback after we've but now

817
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 11: more open to the idea of moving down, uh, to

818
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 11: just get more players that we can build around in

819
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 11: the future. Right, there's got to exercise patients is going

820
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 11: to be a three year rebuild and so on and

821
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 11: so forth. So my thought is, in the event that

822
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 11: we do, you know, trade down and get a couple

823
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 11: of offensive talent players like you know, we get tackled

824
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 11: wide receiver, so forth, at what point for is there

825
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 11: any thought of drafting a quarterback later That's not like

826
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 11: a bow Nix or Michael Pigs. I'm thinking more of

827
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 11: like Jordan Travis.

828
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 10: Oh.

829
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: I think, let's put it this way. I think even

830
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: if they drafted a quarterback at three, they could still

831
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: take another quarterback in the fifth or sixth round.

832
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 4: I do, yeah, I mean, I think it's always good business.

833
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 4: I would just say, I think when you trade down,

834
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 4: it's you're just looking at present this year, and it's

835
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: and there's an appeal to all right, it's Brissett, but

836
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: we know we got the left tackle of the future,

837
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: and we know we have an ad Mitchell type that

838
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 4: is like really dripping with talent, and so there's a

839
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: lot to get excited. But it's hard for me to

840
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: make those two picks and then say, and we got

841
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 4: Spencer Ratler, which is fine, Like I like that, Like,

842
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 4: you know, as a developmental player, it's just hard to

843
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 4: think you're gonna get the quarterback.

844
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 5: Of the future. You can't. You can't. You can't have

845
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 5: all three like you can.

846
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: Get two, I think, but if you get the quarterback,

847
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: it's it's but it's still hard to the quarterback at

848
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: three to even think about, how do we get that tackle,

849
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: how do we get that wide receiver.

850
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's both sides of it. Like there's

851
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: a fear that you're the Panthers with Bryce Young right now,

852
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 5: who is the only good player on that team and

853
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 5: has nothing around him and can't there's something for him

854
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 5: to throw to or do anything with. I mean, I

855
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 5: guess they have Deontay Johnson now, but in general, like

856
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 5: there's that fear. But then there's also the other fear

857
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 5: of like a team like kind of like the Atlanta

858
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 5: Falcons where they're in quarterback purgatory and they have Kyle

859
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 5: Pitts and they have Drake London and they have Bijon

860
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 5: and they have all this offensive talent that they drafted,

861
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 5: but they have nobody to throw them the ball. So

862
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 5: now they go out and they have to pay Kirk

863
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: Cousins forty million dollars a year when it's probably an

864
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: overpay at the end of his career. So that's what

865
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 5: you risk. You either risk, you know, being Bryce young

866
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 5: and being surrounded by nothing, or you risk being in

867
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 5: QB purgatory, like which one would you rather? You know,

868
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 5: if you're going to play the negative game, like which

869
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 5: one would you rather be in?

870
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 4: It just comes down to do you really believe in

871
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: Drake may or Jaden Daniels at three? Do you really, really,

872
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: in your heart of hearts think this guy can be

873
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 4: a star and lead a team for ten years?

874
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: And if you say yes, then take them. I think

875
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 5: that they both can, but I also think it needs

876
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: to be said that they're not franchise saviors, like this

877
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 5: is not Andrew Luck, Like they're not going to come

878
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 5: into this team and all of a sudden you're a

879
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 5: playoff team overnight because you have Andrew Luck as your quarterback,

880
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 5: which is what the Colts literally went from the worst

881
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 5: team in the league to a playoff team because of

882
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 5: Andrew Luck. That's not going to happen with this team.

883
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: But then you look at the Bills maybe, and that's

884
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: you know, Josh Allen had some rough ups and downs,

885
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 4: was a wild thing, and then it started to click,

886
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: and then you went and got Stefan Diggs and really

887
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: got him that complimentary piece, you know.

888
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 5: So, yeah, that's what we were talking about on Catch

889
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 5: twenty two because Barth is a Josh Allen Hayter and I,

890
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 5: you know, Josh Allen's my best friend. So we were

891
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: talking about that. And the more that we think about

892
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 5: Drake May and talk about Drake May, the more that

893
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 5: I think that he's his comp is Josh Allen. You know,

894
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: he's a guy that has all of these physical tools.

895
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: He's a guy that has some film that if you

896
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 5: stacked together his best throws from last year, it goes

897
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 5: up against anybody in this class, even Caleb like best

898
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 5: throws down the field in this class. But he has

899
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: a lot of mechanical growth that needs to be done.

900
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: Floyd and Michigan says, so many people are penciling in

901
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: Drake May to the Patriots, but I believe this is premature.

902
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: Right after the combine, Jeff Howe believed May would go

903
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: number two to the Commanders and then Jade and Daniels

904
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: would go three to the Patriots. Daniel Jeremiah recently May

905
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: number two, Jade number three, Joel Klatt recently made number

906
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: two Jade number three. I don't see the Commanders passing

907
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: on a twenty one year old May with that size,

908
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: athleticism and armstring. Plus a report came out that Commander

909
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: GM and Peters is into Drake May.

910
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would be careful about those reports. It's smoke

911
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 5: screen season, so everybody's into everybody. But I in general

912
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 5: I agree that. I mean, I have Drake May as

913
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 5: the second best quarterback in the class. I think a

914
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 5: lot of people do. So why we think the Commanders

915
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 5: are going to skip.

916
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 4: Over him is really more like Kingsbury, right, Yes, Kingsbury

917
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: appeal of a.

918
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 5: Super mobile because Kingsbury's had Kyler, He's had, you know,

919
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: more of an athlete at that position in the past,

920
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 5: So maybe that's what he thinks. But I agree with

921
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 5: the emailer whan, there's no guarantee we're gonna be holding

922
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 5: our breath on that second pas.

923
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: Let's see Peter's in London.

924
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 5: Hey Peter, Hi?

925
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 10: Everyone good?

926
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 5: Good.

927
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 12: So I'm a Texas season to get holder, So I

928
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 12: wanted to just call in and give my two cents

929
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 12: on those Texas receivers you guys been talking about.

930
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: You live in London. But you're a Texas. Wow.

931
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 12: That's a I live in Houston back in the days

932
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 12: in London.

933
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: He must have a great.

934
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: Stereotyped him the accent.

935
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 10: I'm back in London.

936
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 12: I'm getting married this weekend.

937
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 4: Congratulations.

938
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: Congratulations.

939
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 12: I didn't think I'd confused you guys with my life stories.

940
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 12: But look, I think she's from both of them, clearly athletically,

941
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 12: very talented, and I mean Worthy's been at UT for

942
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 12: longer and have a lot of love for that guy.

943
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 12: But for me, he just doesn't kind of come up

944
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 12: big in those, you know, clutch moments when we need them.

945
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 12: And I just don't feel like if you're drafting someone

946
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 12: that high, you know you want a number one receiver

947
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 12: who when you've got to have it, he's the guy

948
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 12: you're going to go to. And for me, I just

949
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 12: don't think Worthy really has that, whereas I think Mitchell

950
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 12: is the opposite. Mitchell is the guy who came up

951
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 12: big in big games, who caught huge, huge patch passes

952
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 12: against Alabama, a huge passing against TCU to win us

953
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 12: those games. If I was looking at one of them,

954
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 12: I'd probably stay more towards Mitchell than I was towards

955
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 12: Worthy just for that almost intangible, big moment aspect.

956
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that that's not necessarily because

957
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: of that, but just in general, the most rankings that

958
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: you see have Adie Mitchell slightly ahead of of Worthy

959
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 5: just because of the body type. You know, Worthy one

960
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy pounds, so that Mitchell is much more

961
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 5: of that prototype six two two five still runs in

962
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 5: the four threes. But to you know, Peer's point eighty,

963
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: Mitchell transferred from Georgia. So he was at Georgia for

964
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 5: a couple of years and then he went to Texas

965
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 5: this past season. And at Georgia he had a tough

966
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 5: time kind of cracking their lineup and getting you know,

967
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: producing and putting up stats and stuff like that. And

968
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 5: he had a good season last year at Texas. But

969
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 5: like the one good game that he had at Georgia

970
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: was against Christian Gonzales in Oregon in Week one of

971
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 5: last year. It's like his one good performance at Georgia.

972
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 5: So the talent is obvious. Definitely waxed them, didn't they.

973
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we all talked about that one.

974
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the big one. Yeah.

975
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Peter, good luck with your wedding and thanks

976
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: thanks for calling in. It's always interesting, you know, no

977
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: matter what we say, there's somebody out there that you

978
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: know is either an expert on the subject or like, yeah,

979
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: an example here, he's a Texas season ticket holder.

980
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: Crazy.

981
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

982
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: I always love hearing from those people because they're you know,

983
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: how invested they are.

984
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: Uh, let's go to Nick and Kansas. Hey.

985
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 13: Nick, Hey, uh, first time caller.

986
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: All right, thank you.

987
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 13: Honestly, I uh, I don't know why everybody's so upset

988
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 13: about what Elliott Wolf is doing this off season. I

989
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 13: think he's doing a pretty good job for being our

990
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 13: GM this year. That being said, I think you take

991
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 13: may three tackle second round and then either trade back

992
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 13: up into the second round or take a third round receiver,

993
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 13: and then in twenty twenty five you can start to

994
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 13: focus on getting that true number one piece with the

995
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 13: receiver we draft this year, being more of kind of

996
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 13: a not necessarily an all round receiver, but more of

997
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 13: a role guy. Try to build out that wide receiver depth,

998
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 13: and I wouldn't mind kind of a late round double

999
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 13: dip the wide receiver double dip but tackle. But yeah,

1000
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 13: that's kind of what I think we should do. And

1001
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 13: I'm not really sure why everybody on Twitter and everybody

1002
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 13: you know, emailing, calling in or whatever is kind of

1003
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 13: upset at what Elliott Wolf has been doing. Well, I

1004
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 13: think take it off.

1005
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Nick. I mean listen, how many years have

1006
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: we heard, and this is when Bill was here, pitchers

1007
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: aren't doing anything in free agency and you have the

1008
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: the little meme of the stick figure with stick poking something. Yeah,

1009
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: do something. You know, it's we we hear that every

1010
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: year except for maybe a few, you know, two years,

1011
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: you know, three years ago was one of the ones.

1012
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: Every year since Twitter came on, right, because it's just

1013
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 2: it's just Twitter narratives.

1014
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1015
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1016
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 4: I think what excites me though, is if they can

1017
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: get to the point where they draft well and the model,

1018
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: you know, if we are to believe they're going to

1019
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: follow the packer away. So I mean I don't really

1020
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 4: put you know, that credence into that. I mean, there's

1021
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 4: that's just how good teams are developed, is you draft well,

1022
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 4: if you develop those players and you keep those players.

1023
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 4: And what I think has been kind of hard for

1024
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: me as a fan, you know, even before I worked here,

1025
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: was that you felt hard to get attached to guys

1026
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: like they would draft.

1027
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 5: Guys then you'd be like, Oh, he's awesome, and then

1028
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 5: they just let him go.

1029
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: And you know, like Chandler Jones, like you know, those

1030
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: kind of players, Jamie Collins even you know, like you're disappointing.

1031
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: Oh, High Towers.

1032
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 4: They're letting High Tower meet with the Steelers?

1033
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?

1034
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 10: Like?

1035
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 5: This is our guy?

1036
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 4: And and I don't think that that's going to be

1037
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 4: part of the model. If they're able to hit on

1038
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 4: these draft picks, I will feel good about. They're going

1039
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: to make every effort to continue to try to extend

1040
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 4: those guys, and I hope.

1041
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 5: That that's what they're able to establish. That's how you

1042
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: get out of this.

1043
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: You're not going to get out of this purgatory with one,

1044
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: you know, one session of over spending and free agency

1045
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 4: that all said. I mean, I just again, it's appealing

1046
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: that they went and made that offer to Calvin Ridley,

1047
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 4: and I think that sends a good message that they

1048
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: know they have to supplement this.

1049
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: They didn't hit on him.

1050
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: It's okay for us to be disappointed about that.

1051
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 5: I'm sure they're disappointed about it too, But that's the.

1052
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 4: Breaks, you know, you have to try, and as you

1053
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: slowly start to build things, then that puts you over

1054
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 4: at the top, and then you're able to land these

1055
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 4: guys because they.

1056
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: Want to know if you build it, they will come.

1057
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of people, Tyrant Smith. But

1058
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: these guys are signing like one year deals, you know.

1059
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are thinking a little bit beyond that,

1060
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: you know, And I'm just wondering, like this, about five

1061
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: weeks left before the draft, so this is still time.

1062
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: What if like all of a sudden, the Patriots trade

1063
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: one of our better players.

1064
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 5: For more draft picks, you know, like like a Matthew Dudon.

1065
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: Or something like that. You know better, Like now all

1066
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're like, oh, okay, you know, now

1067
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: we see how what they're thinking. They're thinking long term here.

1068
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's why you can't as much as

1069
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 5: we all do it in all, well, the patience thing

1070
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 5: is tough to do. You can't judge an off season

1071
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 5: until after the draft, and then you can't judge the

1072
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: draft until two years later, right, so like it really

1073
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 5: in reality or you know, you can't judge the moves

1074
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 5: that they've made this offseason because we'll all look like

1075
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: idiots if they get to the draft and then they

1076
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 5: draft Drake May and then trade thirty four for t

1077
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 5: Higgins and then they draft a left tackle and then

1078
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, it's like, oh, remember in March

1079
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 5: when we were all screaming and yelling about how they

1080
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 5: did nothing. So for us, I feel like we try

1081
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 5: to look at it and say, all right, it's a

1082
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 5: it's a whole thing. You know, the draft is part

1083
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 5: of it, and we're gonna have to you know, come

1084
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: May whatever after the draft. If this is the team

1085
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 5: and they're just kind of adding okay pieces in the draft,

1086
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 5: but it's like Drake May and Ricky Piersall and some

1087
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 5: tackle prospect in the third round, and yeah, I'm probably

1088
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 5: gonna look at it and be like, like, this was

1089
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 5: not a you know, this didn't really do much for me,

1090
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: But who knows, it could be much better than that.

1091
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: Yep, Chris with a T. I an, what's up, Christian?

1092
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 10: Hey, Buddy doing doing good? Pretty good, Freddy, good job

1093
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 10: on the Dynasty Recap Talk. I really enjoyed its podcast.

1094
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that, like we we were pretty level

1095
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: headed about it. Did you did we drop the one

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Speaker 3: with the director and the producer.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's coming today.

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00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: I was coming today. So there's one more Christian where

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Speaker 3: we had both of them in studio at the same time.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

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Speaker 5: Patriots have reportedly sound.

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Speaker 3: Yeah what's that?

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00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: Matt said, We're gonna play a snippet of that with

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00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 4: with you guys talking.

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00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 5: We did, we did, Okay, we don't need we have

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00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 5: some breaking. We don't need to.

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00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 4: It's a big one.

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00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: I know.

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00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 5: It's a it's a safety. Jalen Hawkins on a one

1110
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 5: year deal. Oh yeah, a little uh safety, another box safety.

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00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 5: Hawks can never have too many of those.

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00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 10: I just want to kind of piggyback on what people

1113
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 10: have been saying about building the team, and uh, I

1114
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 10: know what's going to take a couple of years. So

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00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 10: I'm not necessarily like disappointed in this offseason, you know,

1116
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 10: I think they're building towards something. That being said, if

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00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 10: they have another four or five win season, obviously that's

1118
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 10: a problem. They just they need to be trending upward.

1119
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 5: And well, how would you measure trending up Yeah, so

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00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 5: what if the four and five seas?

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00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: What if they win four or five games? But Drake

1122
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: may really looks like he's got a future.

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00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, okay, so like you're thinking like Troy

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00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 10: Aikman or Peyton Manning's rookie year.

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00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, right that.

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00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 10: You know piece, they had struggled, but at the end

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Speaker 10: they became great. Yeah, I mean it depends on how

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00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 10: it looks.

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00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: Ready, Yeah, exactly, It depends on how it looks. Yeah,

1131
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: you'll know it.

1132
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Speaker 10: When you say when it's ten to six, then no, yeah, no, right,

1133
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 10: but yeah, and I do. And I think Paul ched

1134
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 10: yesterday about Belichick not being there in the defense, you know,

1135
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 10: game planning, slash matching up.

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Speaker 3: We mentioned, yeah, that's a concern. You don't lose the

1137
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: greatest coach of all time and think that everything's going

1138
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: to be you.

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00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 10: Know the same, you know, right, And yesterday I was

1140
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 10: listening to the Felger and Greg Bdard made a comment

1141
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 10: about how Mike McDaniel after the second Miami game this year, said, uh,

1142
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 10: you know, go watch that tape, you know, watch how

1143
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 10: they matched up against us. Watch the scheme. You know,

1144
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 10: was the toughest game plan I've gone against this year. Yep,

1145
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 10: you know he's still got it type things.

1146
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And Girard and I'm.

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Speaker 10: Really interested to see DeMarcus Comington, you know, in that role.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely all right. I mean I think they're still a

1149
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: Thanks Christian.

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Speaker 5: I think they're still going to try to run that.

1151
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 4: You know, They're still going to try to be a

1152
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 4: game plan defense, and they're they're going to try to

1153
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 4: throw curveballs every week. And I think one of my

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00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: this is probably a little bit off off topic, but

1155
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: my question too, I'd love to ask just Elliott wolf

1156
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 4: trol Meo is just when you're one of those defenses

1157
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 4: that wants to adjust every week, Like how do you

1158
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 4: know you have the right pieces.

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00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 5: To do things?

1160
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: You know, like that you have enough that you're covering

1161
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: enough bases to be able to actually morph into different

1162
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: things and not get kind of caught the bill.

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Speaker 3: That was his superpower one was watching that tape and

1164
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: figuring out what that team does, how they do it,

1165
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 3: and then whittling it down to three or four things,

1166
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: and then understanding his own personnel and who can do what,

1167
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: and then giving them the job to do it.

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Speaker 5: And that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's like it's like in The Dynasty that last episode

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Speaker 2: with the Rams.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, like yeah, we're playing zone and we're going to

1172
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 9: learn zone and one week and it's gonna work out.

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Speaker 3: And I'll bet you on that week it wasn't like

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00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: guys drinking out of a fire hose. I'll bet you

1175
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Speaker 3: he simplified it. And you know, I always go back

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Speaker 3: to the story in ninety six when Bill came here

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Speaker 3: as a defensive assistant with Parcels and we were at

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Speaker 3: Bryant College and you know, Bill had been here for

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00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 3: like two or three weeks, and Lawyer Malloy said, he's

1180
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Speaker 3: a genius. He makes it so simple, he makes it

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Speaker 3: easy to understand. Yeah, I think that that is one

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Speaker 3: of his greatest powers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the I didn't see the part of the Dynasty,

1184
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 5: but I covered it, so I was there. And I

1185
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 5: remember talking to the players about the AFC Championship game

1186
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 5: against Kansas City. I think they were something like eighty

1187
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 5: five percent man in that game, and they doubled Tyreek

1188
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 5: Hill and they were man to man across the board

1189
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 5: on everybody else. And then in the Super Bowl they

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Speaker 5: played not just zone, they played quarters. Like they went

1191
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 5: from a post safety team with man to man coverage

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00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 5: to a split safety team and they played quarters. And

1193
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 5: then you know, like three three buzz structures as well.

1194
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 5: But they went from like one side of the coin

1195
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 5: to the totally opposite side of the spectrum in two weeks,

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00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 5: Like it couldn't have been polar opposite. And the play

1197
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Speaker 5: that Jason mccordy made is just the fact that they

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Speaker 5: went from where Manton man in the AFC Championship Game

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Speaker 5: to replacing the post and the biggest moment of the

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00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 5: Super Bowl is just I have no idea how he

1201
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 5: got there, Like I have no idea how he was there.

1202
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: I have no idea how they did that. And those

1203
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 5: were the types of things that you know, as much

1204
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 5: as this Dynasty doc like Ragazon Bills at times like

1205
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 5: that was what I wish it's not so much about

1206
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 5: like the America's Game stuff of like on this play.

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Speaker 3: We did this.

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Speaker 5: It's like that was the type of stuff that he

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00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 5: was able to coach, and they just had such a

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00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 5: wide variety of things that they could do that they

1211
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 5: could just pull from this library of plays every single

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00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 5: week and just oh, remember we did this in training camp,

1213
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 5: and we're going to do that this week. And we

1214
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 5: did this in training camp, We're going to do that

1215
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 5: that week. Like that was the difference in a lot

1216
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 5: of those, this.

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00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 4: Is where Paul would go, Well, the throw was late

1218
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 4: and coach dropped it.

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00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't know how that changes anything, but it

1220
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 5: makes no water.

1221
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: But you know, it's one thing to go in and

1222
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: make that change up. But somebody has to teach it.

1223
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: Somebody has to explain it to the players in a

1224
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: way that in two weeks, whether they did it in

1225
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 3: you know, training camp or not, in two weeks, they

1226
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 3: have to understand it.

1227
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 4: The great example too in Bill's football life with the

1229
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 4: Jets game and he I mean they literally show you exactly.

1230
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it was like any takeaway Keller

1231
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 4: when he's under center at the tight end Dustin Keller.

1232
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 4: There are a couple other ones, but you know it

1233
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 4: shows him pregame in the meeting, laying out the things,

1234
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 4: and then they go to the game and you see

1235
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 4: all those things actually happening. And they ended up losing

1236
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 4: the game, but it was just, you know, perfectly illustrated

1237
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 4: what we're talking about, where he gives you three specific things.

1238
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 4: I mean that specific when he's under center. We got

1239
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 4: to take Keller away, and there's Keller, you know, getting

1240
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 4: a touchdown off a play action pass.

1241
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard too many players say he would tell

1242
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: us what's gonna happen, and it what happened.

1243
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: Jabriel said that this year.

1244
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 9: I remember after one of the losses when it was

1245
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 9: just like a dejected locker room.

1246
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 2: Jabriel was like, this is not on coach.

1247
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 9: I'm actually really annoyed that this is even a narrative

1248
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 9: because every week he tells us exactly what's going to happen,

1249
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 9: and we don't execute, and that's exactly what happened.

1250
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 5: Right, right, and that's what they're gonna miss.

1251
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1252
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 5: I remember Cam Newton saying he had a crystal ball,

1253
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 5: like he thought it was like, this guy's got a

1254
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 5: crystal ball and he just comes into and tells me

1255
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 5: everything that's going to happen in the game, and that's

1256
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: exactly what happens.

1257
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: Well, you know, every time, everyone compares it to chess,

1258
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: and a lot of it is reps. So if you

1259
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: have played chess all your life, you've pretty much seen

1260
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 3: every configuration that could happen after every move, and so

1261
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 3: you've seen.

1262
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: It all, you can anticipate what's about that, right, And that's.

1263
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: What Bill he's seen it all before, because he's probably

1264
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 3: got a photograph memory. When it comes to watching film,

1265
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 3: his father taught taught him how to watch film and

1266
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: how to scout players, understand their strengths and weaknesses, and

1267
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 3: he brings that all to the table.

1268
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 4: Yep, you know it's they're they're gonna miss him, I

1269
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: mean for sure. And I mean it's it's kind of

1270
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 4: going hand in hand with this narrative now with After

1271
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 4: the Dynasty, and you have Grunk coming out and saying like,

1272
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 4: none of this would have been possible without Bill. So

1273
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 4: I think, you know, almost in that way the Dynasty

1274
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 4: kind of you know, the back and forth that's been

1275
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 4: going on it Bill have, Yeah, right, But it's I

1276
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 4: think I think a lot of fans are just you know,

1277
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 4: kind of appreciating that that some of these players are

1278
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 4: just coming out and saying, look like, yeah, it was

1279
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: a pain in the ass sometimes, but it would not

1280
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: have happened without him as.

1281
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 5: Much as Rodney on that podcast, Well that was interesting.

1282
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: With Rodney complaining about he talked to me for six

1283
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 4: hours and I got one line.

1284
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: Well that's different though, and I know it's an editing thing.

1285
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: You know, he's just complaining because he spent a lot

1286
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 3: of time they didn't use all of it. But that's

1287
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: what happens. I mean, I know, you know that they

1288
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 3: interviewed do you know they interviewed Peyton Manning for five hours.

1289
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 5: And didn't make it even make it.

1290
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kara was Kara in it. We had fan Kara

1291
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: no Get interviewed too. I know she made it.

1292
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they interviewed over seventy people and we

1293
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: saw maybe.

1294
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 5: Fifteen cutting room floor.

1295
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 13: You know.

1296
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: But it's funny how like Dante Stalwart, who you know,

1297
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: certainly really good guy to listen to, but didn't have

1298
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 4: a huge part in it, but he's you know, got

1299
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 4: extensive time because he said the right things.

1300
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 5: I guess. Yeah, it was just it was just it

1301
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 5: was disappointing to me that that's the that's the narrative

1302
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 5: coming out of the dynasty, is that it was like

1303
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 5: this bill smear campaign and all this type of stuff,

1304
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 5: and I just we just didn't need it, like we

1305
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 5: didn't we didn't need it to go that way. Like

1306
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 5: and I know, but like what was not true?

1307
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: You know, Like so you know, I think it was

1308
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: the balance of it.

1309
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Speaker 3: I think I think they're talking about this dynasty and

1310
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: how it broke up, well, they had to explain how

1311
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: it broke up and why, you know, why did Brady leave.

1312
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Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's why those last two episodes I think

1313
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 9: we're the best because that was the first time you

1314
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 9: really were hearing about what was actually going on in detail,

1315
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 9: and the middle of it would just I mean, it

1316
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 9: served its purpose.

1317
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Speaker 2: I get what the point of it was.

1318
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: But what you know, Paul, you know is on this soapbox,

1319
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 3: this is all stuff we knew at the time. People

1320
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: were saying there's some problems, and you know, people say,

1321
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: you're just you know, unnamed sources. You don't know what

1322
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: you're for all we know, it might have been even

1323
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: worse than the Dynasty had, you know, probably was. I

1324
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 3: don't know.

1325
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 5: I just it's not so much like the way the

1326
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 5: documentary portrayed it or not. That's the way that's it

1327
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 5: came across, and it just it. I hated that's where

1328
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 5: it went.

1329
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Speaker 14: Like.

1330
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 5: I hated that so many people are are saying that

1331
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 5: that's what it is, to the point where Devin mccordy

1332
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 5: and Rodney Harrison are defending Bill on podcasts.

1333
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 3: Because they only use what they said that fit that narrative.

1334
00:56:59,680 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 8: Right.

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 9: That's why I think if it was a little more

1336
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 9: balance and you show more of those like more of

1337
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 9: the brilliance, you can be like, Okay, this is like

1338
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 9: like it's like a toxic relationship. They're hot and heavy

1339
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 9: and hot and heavy, and then is the breakup, and

1340
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 9: then it makes the breakup so much more interesting.

1341
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 3: The first half like it was an ode to Bill

1342
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: with the Bledsoe thing and everything like that, and then

1343
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: you know, the thirteenth three game in the RAMS, I

1344
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: think that was an ode to Bill as well. At

1345
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: the end, you know, like people were saying, this is

1346
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: you know, uh masterpiece, this was this, this was that,

1347
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: and you know you have all these media people saying

1348
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 3: how great a game plan it was. I mean, what's that?

1349
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 5: I yeah, I just wish that Bill had had stood

1350
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 5: his ground a little bit more on it. And I

1351
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 5: don't know why he didn't or what is I'm sure

1352
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 5: you know, Bill, he definitely had motives to do what

1353
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 5: he did, but you know, there was opportunities for him

1354
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 5: to state his own side of things and they he

1355
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 5: didn't take it.

1356
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: It's one of my biggest questions was just when did

1357
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 4: you interview Bill Bellich. I would just love to know

1358
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 4: the context of when he was interviewed specifically because I mean, ideally,

1359
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 4: you would have liked that interview to happen now after

1360
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 4: he's out of it and he's a little bit removed.

1361
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 4: I don't think that he would have been super forthcoming anyway,

1362
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 4: of course, but I think you would have gotten a

1363
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 4: little bit more. I mean, I said a hundred times,

1364
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 4: you've got press conference Bill in there, and he's got

1365
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 4: his guard up, and you know, even in the even

1366
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 4: in the moments he did pull back the curtain a

1367
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 4: little bit, you didn't really learn a lot. I mean,

1368
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 4: I still say my favorite things from all of these

1369
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 4: things that are written about the Dynasty are the behind

1370
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 4: the scenes footage when you hear him talking to the team,

1371
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 4: when you hear him on the sidelines. You know, that's

1372
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 4: that's what I think, you know, shows his genius. And

1373
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 4: you know, I think that they tried to underline some

1374
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 4: of the greater moments, but I think everybody kind of

1375
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 4: left feeling a little bit like there was more to

1376
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: underline with what a great coach he was and what

1377
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: he meant to this run.

1378
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but but it's your point, Fred, I.

1379
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 3: Think the only thing missing along those lines was the

1380
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 3: lawyer molloy thing, because I think that was a turning

1381
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: point for the could have been a turning point for

1382
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: the team. The Tom Jackson and yet Bill, you know,

1383
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: got the locker.

1384
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 4: Room back, I've got I've got a running list that's

1385
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 4: fifteen right now. There are just things that and these

1386
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 4: aren't like big moments that needed to be spent time on,

1387
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 4: but just little moments that could have even just been

1388
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 4: a slice of b roll or things that really were

1389
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 4: pertinent to me. I'll run down him. Dick Raybayn passing

1390
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 4: away Ricky Proll saying tonight a dynasty is born. I

1391
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 4: mean that is just one of the most iconic lines

1392
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 4: to me, that the show is literally the Dynasty. And

1393
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 4: you have a member of the opposite team saying his

1394
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 4: teams would be the nasty Harrison Maloy, the twenty one

1395
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 4: game win streak, thirty eight thirty nine, Teddy Stroke, the

1396
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 4: AFC Divisional game. I think that's a bill.

1397
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 5: That's a bill.

1398
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 4: You know, pulling that team knocking off San Diego fourteen

1399
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 4: into the Wildcat Game.

1400
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 5: Didn't need a lot of time.

1401
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 4: But you know, these are just little moments that that

1402
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 4: you know instantly, the fact that the twenty eighteam couldn't

1403
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 4: win big games. I think that was a big miss overall.

1404
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 4: That they painted eight to be like another one of

1405
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 4: his Mona leases.

1406
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 5: I don't think it really was.

1407
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 4: I think that that was a sign that when you

1408
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 4: don't have a quarterback who's elite, you can't beat good teams.

1409
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 4: And that showed you what was coming down the pike

1410
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 4: when Brady left. Brady's MVP twenty ten season, I mean,

1411
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 4: he was a unanimous MVP that you know, it was

1412
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 4: on fire.

1413
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 5: The twenty eleven super Bowl.

1414
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, those super Bowls weren't really.

1415
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 5: Twenty fifteen okay with those super Bowls.

1416
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: So you basically want a diary of every year.

1417
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 4: Well, I just want little moment keep going. I'm enjoying

1418
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. I just you know, there's got to be

1419
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 4: some moments in there. Twenty sixteen, did Jimmy g getting

1420
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 4: hurt and Brisette, I thought, that's another Bill moment, getting

1421
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback to play on a short week and

1422
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 4: doing that. Twenty nineteen, it made it again. I said

1423
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 4: that last show, it seemed like the Super Bowl happened,

1424
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 4: and then they broke up.

1425
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 5: Two months later. There was a whole nother season.

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01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 9: You couldn't if you did not know, if you didn't

1427
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 9: follow the Patriots closely, if you're.

1428
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: A casual fan, did you.

1429
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 3: Have no idea you could have thought Brady left and

1430
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 3: saw that in my last I think we're talking about

1431
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: twenty episodes now.

1432
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 5: With that maybe the last one that.

1433
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 9: Don't spend an episode fabricating drama about Matt Castle potentially

1434
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 9: taking over Brady.

1435
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 3: There's other things you can Again, that was an ode

1436
01:00:59,240 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 3: to Bill.

1437
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: It got dragged out, though.

1438
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 5: I just I understand why they covered the topics that

1439
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 5: they covered. I just watching it. I just don't know

1440
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 5: how you take it any other way besides it being slanted.

1441
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 9: When you sat down with the director Matt Matt hamatchuck,

1442
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 9: did you get the sunset he's like a big football guy. No,

1443
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 9: That's exactly what I think watching that film. Is this

1444
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 9: guy there's the headlines, is the dynasty, This is the

1445
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 9: TMD dynasty. This is not a football guy.

1446
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: This is a filmmaker.

1447
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 5: And that's what I saw. I saw that right off

1448
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 5: the bat. I was like, this guy didn't know anything

1449
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 5: about the Patriots, he doesn't know anything about football.

1450
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: I was like, his voices in it and I heard

1451
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: his voice.

1452
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 3: I said, this is not a I get it. Within

1453
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 3: New England, I get it. I get the uproar, but

1454
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 3: I think he wasn't making it for Patriots fans'.

1455
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 4: And then I think the appeal maybe to the producers

1456
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: was that he's not a football guy. He's going to

1457
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 4: come to this clean and tell this story from his

1458
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 4: own perspective. Last one, though, can I just said the

1459
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 4: last one? How do you not show any thing of

1460
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 4: Brady playing here at Tampa, like going against Belichick like that?

1461
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 4: Like that to me is just a miss, Like, yeah,

1462
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 4: what a moment that was speaking of him, I just read.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's HBO that just signed him

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Speaker 7: As I think back over the past few seasons, I

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Speaker 3: What's Up, Everybody?

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Speaker 7: Our final episode of the Dynasty doc Recap podcast drops

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Speaker 8: All right, welcome to the Ultimate Dynasty wrap Up Show.

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01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 8: As we're here to wrap up the Dynasty documentary The

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Speaker 8: Dynasty documentary series is streaming on Apple TV, and we

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Speaker 8: couldn't be warply to have joining us the executive producer

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01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 8: and the author of the book The Dynasty, Jeff Benedict,

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01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 8: and the director of the series, Matt Hammachek Matt Smith,

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 8: along with Paul Brow and Fred Kirsch. GUIs, thank you

1523
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 8: so much. You guys are on tour. You know, everybody's

1524
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 8: taking a crack at you guys, and we just wanted

1525
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 8: to have a discussion about can you believe this project

1526
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 8: has come to light, has been aired, has been viewed,

1527
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 8: You've got to the finish line. Is that a bit

1528
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 8: of a relief maybe that you've got there?

1529
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 16: I thought you were gonna say, And we just wanted

1530
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 16: to have a crack at you too.

1531
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no, We'll see it

1532
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: might be a crack.

1533
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 5: It might be a crack here and there.

1534
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 16: Oh, it feels good to be at to be at

1535
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 16: this stage of the project, because it it seems like

1536
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 16: a really long time ago when we started. I was

1537
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 16: flipping through some photographs on my phone yesterday. I was

1538
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 16: looking for something completely unrelated to this, and I actually

1539
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 16: came across a picture of you.

1540
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 5: Oof and Matt and myself and Justin Wilkes, who was

1541
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 5: the exit. I could approuce it.

1542
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 16: From imagine.

1543
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 4: And it was like when we first met here in

1544
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 4: the archives.

1545
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 5: It was the very first time.

1546
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 16: And you know, when you look at the dates on

1547
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 16: those pictures, it's a reminder of how long this project

1548
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 16: has been going on.

1549
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 8: Jeff, did you For those who are watching and listening,

1550
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 8: let's just kind of recap a little bit you wrote

1551
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 8: the book. Was it your intention when you wrote this

1552
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 8: book A La Tiger there's going to be a documentary,

1553
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,959
Speaker 8: There's going to be a series behind this is your hope?

1554
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

1555
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 16: And I talked about it or broach the subject even

1556
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 16: before I started writing the book. So I had spent

1557
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 16: about a year with the team, and i'd met you

1558
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 16: by then, and I think i'd even met you Fred,

1559
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 16: But before I started putting pen to paper, you know,

1560
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 16: I was thinking about the potential for other ways that

1561
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 16: the story could be telled after the book was published,

1562
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 16: and so it was an early consideration. It's something that

1563
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 16: I raised with the team and with the organization, and

1564
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 16: then as soon as I turned the narrative in, which

1565
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 16: was right after Tom went to see Robert to tell

1566
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 16: him that he had decided to leave, and they made

1567
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 16: the phone call to Bill and to Jonathan. I wrote

1568
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 16: that last scene like within a few days of that

1569
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 16: actually happening, and then I was done because I was

1570
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 16: actually done, kind of like Matt being done with the

1571
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 16: film until we're kind of waiting for the last thing

1572
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 16: that he would put in. I was in the same

1573
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 16: situation with the book. I had everything done except the ending,

1574
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 16: and then that happened. And as soon as that happened,

1575
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 16: I turned it in. And then there's like six or

1576
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 16: seven months before the book's on sale, and I immediately

1577
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 16: pivoted to starting on the steps to be taken to

1578
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 16: turn it into a docu saries.

1579
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 3: You know, we're going to get into the details. But

1580
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 3: something you just said made me think, you know, you

1581
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 3: had done everything except the ending. Yeah. If the Patriots

1582
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: had had an amazing season in twenty three, yeah, gone

1583
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 3: to the playoffs are even better. Would Apple have been

1584
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 3: willing to hold off or would they have come out

1585
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 3: at the same time? Anyway?

1586
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 17: I think that well, look, if they had, like, let's say,

1587
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 17: I think it would have been up to me to say, Okay,

1588
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 17: I think what we should do is we should take

1589
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 17: the ten that we've already had, because it you know,

1590
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 17: we basically we were done by maybe even midway through

1591
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 17: the season or something like that. They had been going

1592
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 17: on a Super Bowl run and they got there or

1593
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 17: something happened that was just extraordinarily. Maybe we could have

1594
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 17: gone and said, okay, Apple, can you give us a

1595
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 17: little bit more money?

1596
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 5: We want to do.

1597
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 17: Episode eleven or something like that. So that that's the

1598
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 17: kind of that's the way the conversation would have happened.

1599
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 3: And so because you hear the conspiracy theorists, oh the

1600
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 3: time it's coming out, Oh yeah, right, you know.

1601
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 17: It's so the one thing that we did know for

1602
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 17: a very long time was that it was basically this

1603
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 17: question of Apple came to me and they said, how

1604
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 17: long do you think you're going to need to make

1605
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 17: something like this? And if I had had my true druthers,

1606
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 17: I probably would have said I need three and a

1607
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 17: half four years. But that's not the way TV works.

1608
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 17: They want it right as soon as possible. Right, So

1609
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 17: what we came to an agreement on was that basically

1610
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 17: the week after the Super Bowl in twenty twenty four,

1611
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 17: gave us two and a half years. That was more

1612
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 17: or less enough time to go make this thing. And

1613
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 17: that's the date that we had locked in stone. And

1614
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 17: the reason for that was, just like myself and every

1615
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 17: other football fan out there, the Super Bowl happens, you

1616
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 17: start to go through football withdrawal, and so if you know,

1617
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 17: it's like, well, let's give people the greatest football story

1618
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 17: of all time, and that's it was locked in stone

1619
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 17: for two and a half years. Basically that was going

1620
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 17: to happen that way.

1621
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 8: So, Matt As, you're from New York, correct.

1622
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 4: I live in New York.

1623
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm from DC.

1624
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 8: Okay, so you're not a Patriots fan, you're not a

1625
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 8: New Englander and everything like that. As you experience the

1626
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 8: aftermath and the and everybody indulging in this, have you

1627
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 8: noticed a distinctive flavor between the reaction in the six

1628
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 8: state region and the entire rest of the country. Yes,

1629
01:09:58,640 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 8: does that surprise you?

1630
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 17: It does surprise me, because I this was all kind

1631
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 17: of new to me, right. I didn't understand anything when

1632
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 17: I first started making this thing, right, And so the

1633
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 17: good part about that is that you get to talk

1634
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 17: to the seventy plus players and coaches in front office

1635
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 17: exact the rivals and everything and These are a lot

1636
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 17: of these questions like why did you decide to go

1637
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 17: with Drew Blood's or Tom Brady over Drew Blood. So

1638
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 17: are questions that these guys have been asked over and

1639
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 17: over and over again, and they sort of have their answers.

1640
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 17: But I think it helps when somebody who genuinely doesn't

1641
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 17: know the answer to these questions and is actually curious

1642
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 17: asked them of these things, because it elicits new answers,

1643
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 17: because you say, I think a lot of times things

1644
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 17: like that, history has proven them to be the greatest

1645
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 17: coaching decisions in the history of the NFL. Right, they

1646
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 17: made the obvious choice because history has proven it right.

1647
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 17: At the time, it wasn't like that. And that was

1648
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 17: always the thing is, I don't know the answers to

1649
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 17: these questions. I want to know why when every when

1650
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 17: all the archive I'm watching is saying that this was

1651
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 17: a horrible decision, why did you think it was right then?

1652
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 17: And what was it like to be in the room

1653
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 17: at that point in time? So I didn't know any

1654
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 17: of this stuff, and I have to sit back and

1655
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 17: listen and just ask follow up questions and hear and

1656
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 17: kind of get out of the way. And let these

1657
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 17: people talk. So when this thing came out, I think,

1658
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 17: you know, I had an inkling of the fact that

1659
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 17: I surely knew that in Boston the reaction was going

1660
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 17: to be strong one way or the other, right, because

1661
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 17: there's sort of this where at the stadium right now,

1662
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 17: we're having this conversation, and within a fifty mile plus

1663
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 17: radius of this place, there is a giant bubble, right,

1664
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 17: and the reaction within this bubble has been a mixed.

1665
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 3: Bag, but a very vocal mixed bag.

1666
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 10: Right.

1667
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 17: Everybody's on Twitter and they're saying all these different things,

1668
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 17: and it's like all these conspiracy theories and stuff, and

1669
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 17: I'm just sitting there just like, guys, I have no

1670
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 17: idea what any of these people were talking about. Now nationally,

1671
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 17: it's just like, hey, they sort of viewed this thing

1672
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 17: the way that I viewed this thing, which was this

1673
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 17: wasn't my team. I don't have a dog in this fight.

1674
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 17: We're just gonna sit back and we're going to watch.

1675
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 17: And it's sort of this balance thing where some people

1676
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 17: can look at episode five and see it the way

1677
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 17: that I see it, which is it's a love letter

1678
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 17: to Bill Belichick and what he did when his back

1679
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 17: was up against the wall, and as he puts it,

1680
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 17: he lost the greatest quarterback of all time for a season.

1681
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 17: And that's what episode five is.

1682
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 3: Now.

1683
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 8: The people in Boston who are.

1684
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 17: Convinced that somehow this is some kind of a Bill

1685
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 17: Belichick Hitchob, they just completely overlook all of that, and

1686
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 17: all they pay attention to is one line in the

1687
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 17: middle of the episode when Tom Brady Senior.

1688
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 4: Says Bill, he's cold.

1689
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 17: He's calculating, if you're not on the team, you're out

1690
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 17: of state, out of mind. That's the only line they hear.

1691
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 17: And then the other, you know, thirty something minutes of

1692
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 17: that thing just doesn't exist. And this is the thing

1693
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 17: that I keep seeing, and I think this is something

1694
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 17: that goes on in our society in general today, is

1695
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 17: if you believe something, you cannot be talked off of

1696
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 17: that belief no matter what. And you will cherry pick

1697
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 17: every piece of evidence that helps support the thing that

1698
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 17: you already believe, and and and you'll accumulate all those

1699
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 17: things and you will ignore everything else, and then you

1700
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 17: have it.

1701
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 4: It's there, it's proof.

1702
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, replacements

1703
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 18: were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1704
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 18: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1705
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 18: now it's next for residential delivery only.

1706
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 5: And now great moments in.

1707
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 3: History.

1708
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 5: I'll give you a good one.

1709
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 6: I was running the other day and I'm coming and

1710
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 6: I'm coming across the main street, right, so I get

1711
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 6: and like, there's no cars out there, right. So here

1712
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 6: comes a car, right, and I'm halfway across the street

1713
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 6: and I'm like, he ain't slowing down. So I stopped

1714
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 6: and he just kept going and his window was half down,

1715
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 6: and I go, thanks, buddy, and he's like he bumped

1716
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 6: his brakes. And he turns and there was another person

1717
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 6: on the corner. I go, yeah, that guy's essential.

1718
01:13:52,600 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from Biler, like.

1719
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 3: On, yeah, there it is. Paul's interactions with people are

1720
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: always always great. And also what's great is easy to drink,

1721
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 3: easy to enjoy. Bud Light, the official beer sponsor of

1722
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 3: the New England Patriots and Paul Perillo. So especially today,

1723
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 3: you guys celebrate You don't celebrate Easter, but is Easter

1724
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 3: big in your family?

1725
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 4: YEA?

1726
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 3: Well, listen if you're hopping toward Easter Sunday, Alex and

1727
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 3: there's no time like the present to get ready with

1728
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 3: Bob's Discount Furniture Shop tons of on trend dining sets

1729
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,679
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1730
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 3: And while you're here, complete the look with seasonal accents

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Speaker 3: and outdoor styles made for warm weather hosting only at

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Speaker 3: Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the New

1733
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 3: England Patriots. So there you go.

1734
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 5: I now adopted Easter. But on Ketshwai two we had

1735
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 5: the same read and it was two Jewish guys reading

1736
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 5: that read about it's actually really funny, but I adopted Easter.

1737
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 5: How like Easter?

1738
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Speaker 3: Whatever? It's chill whatever, all right, du oh, he's doing

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01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:11,839
Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremi talk, So that'll be on the uh Draft

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Speaker 3: podcast that will come.

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01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 5: On Patriot Patriots Draft Countdown.

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Speaker 3: Patriot Patriot's Draft Countdown. And then what you heard during

1743
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 3: halftime was a snippet of our sit down with Matt

1744
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 3: Hammachuck and Jeff Benedict that will drop today on wherever

1745
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 3: you find your podcast. So I think it was an

1746
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 3: interesting conversation. We sat down for almost an hour with them,

1747
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 3: and I thought we had a good conversation.

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 5: I haven't heard it yet. Yeah, so I'm looking forward

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Speaker 5: to all right.

1750
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 3: Eight five five pasts five hundred is ACE ticket houtline

1751
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 3: web radio at Patriots dot com as the email address.

1752
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 3: Let's get back to our listeners. There's where's the one?

1753
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 3: Oh here, Ryan and Nebraska. I've come to the opinion

1754
01:15:53,439 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 3: that MHJ and his his not sitting down what I

1755
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 3: have come to the opinion that in his default to

1756
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 3: sit out so often in games, the combine, Pro Day, etc.

1757
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: Is actually a problem. As talented as he is, that

1758
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 3: attitude does not sit well with me. Am. I just

1759
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 3: old and out of touch with the age diversity.

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Speaker 5: You all have.

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Speaker 3: I was wondering if you could weigh in on this

1762
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 3: a little bit.

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01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 5: But I think that he's of the rare breed that

1764
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 5: is such a good prospect and is such a lock

1765
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 5: where he's going to go in the draft, which is

1766
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 5: probably top five or six picks, that he really has

1767
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 5: no reason to do anything in the pre draft process.

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01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 5: And I look at a different way too. I also

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01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 5: look at it and say, his head's in the right

1770
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 5: place because his head is on his rookie season in

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01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 5: the NFL and he's football training for his rookie campaign

1772
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 5: to you know, he want has big aspirations for his

1773
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 5: rookie season. So would you rather the guy be training

1774
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 5: for forty yard dashes or would you rather play be

1775
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 5: training for the football season. If you're the Patriots and

1776
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 5: are thinking of drafting him at third overall, I'd rather

1777
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 5: than being focused on football and getting ready for this season.

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Speaker 9: What do you think youngin Yeah, I think we've talked

1779
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 9: about it before when it first came announced, that like

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 9: it can kind of only hurt him, and that's kind

1781
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 9: of yeah, the way I go with it.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think some people are afraid that he's

1783
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 5: hiding something. That's the fear is that, yeah, he looks

1784
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 5: fast on film, but actually at a forty yard dat,

1785
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 5: he's only a four or five guy, And like, how

1786
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 5: does that change your mind? What would you think of him?

1787
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Speaker 3: If a team, you know, they get thirty visits, if

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01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 3: they ask, hey, come on over, what would you say

1789
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 3: if he turned down a visit to a team.

1790
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that will happen from I guess

1791
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 5: the one thing that might happen is if you're said

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01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 5: team and you're picking twentieth, then he might say no, Yeah,

1793
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 5: but I think for teams, all the teams picking in

1794
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 5: the top ten to twelve picks, which are the teams

1795
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 5: that he Breer said that he asked at the combine,

1796
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 5: do you need me to do anything at my pro day?

1797
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 5: And I guess they all said no, that we all

1798
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 5: trust what you are and whatever.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, where there would be like a little bit

1800
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Speaker 9: of a red flag, ye, because there's like it's like, okay,

1801
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 9: is that arrogance?

1802
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: Is that what's going on?

1803
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 3: Speaking of that, there was a report that you know,

1804
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 3: the Patriots did not go to bo Nix's pro da.

1805
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 3: They didn't send anyone there. Pen X there there there

1806
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 3: are people I said b Nix, I meant Penix. Yeah,

1807
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 3: and you know that's fine. And so they said, you know,

1808
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 3: they're definitely not taking Panix. Now, that doesn't mean that

1809
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 3: they don't invite Penix here.

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01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.

1811
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 3: So I think people are jumping to conclusions a little

1812
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,560
Speaker 3: bit there that there's no interest in in Panix, and

1813
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,560
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's the right conclusion to come to.

1814
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I think jump to any conclusion until

1815
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: literally the drafts done.

1816
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I think that it could go one

1817
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 5: of two ways. Either yeah, Penix is off their board

1818
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 5: because of his medicals or whatever, or they're really interested

1819
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 5: in Penix. They don't want anybody to know, right right.

1820
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 5: So I remember when Nate when Nate Solder, they had

1821
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 5: zero pre draft contact with Nate's older. When they picked

1822
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 5: Nate's older in the first round, he was as surprised

1823
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 5: as anybody that he out.

1824
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 3: To Colorado two days before the draft.

1825
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, you know, like they really were very very

1826
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 5: quiet about that. And that's that's how it is, you know.

1827
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 5: I for a lot of these guys. So I think

1828
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 5: that Pennix is a really interesting case because there will

1829
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 5: be some teams will have him completely off the board

1830
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 5: because of his medicals, and if they're one of them,

1831
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 5: then yeah they're out. But I don't think they're out

1832
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 5: for football reasons, you know, film or whatever.

1833
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 3: Sam in Toronto, I know the common perception right now

1834
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 3: is that Jayden Daniels will go too. But I find

1835
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 3: it interesting that Daniel Jeremiah, who was regarded as the

1836
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 3: most plugged in draft guy, currently has now published three

1837
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 3: straight mock drafts, with Drake may going too. Every No

1838
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 3: One Things howls out in Mariota in Signals Daniels to

1839
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 3: the Commanders, but less we forget in twenty twenty one

1840
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 3: when the Bears brought in Andy Dalton to draft fields

1841
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 3: and we had Cam Newton and drafted Mac. Personally, I'd

1842
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 3: be happy with either. I just hope we draft a quarterback.

1843
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 3: This whole not ready for a QB narrative just bugs me.

1844
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 5: I don't think that the reason why people are linking

1845
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels to the Commanders of anything to do with

1846
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 5: who his backup quarterback is going to be. It's the

1847
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 5: type of offense that Cliff Kingsbury runs, and they people

1848
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,440
Speaker 5: envision him wanting to run with a dual threat quarterback.

1849
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Speaker 3: Next email, Is anyone else concerned about Jaden Daniel's arm strength?

1850
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 3: It reminds me of Mac Jones, the way he throws

1851
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 3: floaters and does not necessarily drive the ball into spots.

1852
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 3: His running skills are obviously unique, but his lack of

1853
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 3: zip on the ball makes me nervous.

1854
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 5: Yeah. We talked about this a little bit on Catch

1855
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 5: twenty two. It's definitely something that when I go to

1856
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 5: his pro day, you can see how the ball jumps

1857
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 5: out of his hand a little bit better, and see

1858
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 5: how the receivers catch his passes and things like that

1859
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 5: and to to you know, judge the zip on the ball,

1860
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 5: at the velocity on the ball. But because of all

1861
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 5: the other things that he brings to the table that

1862
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 5: Mac didn't bring to the table, you know, obviously the mobility,

1863
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 5: I think it's less of a concern. The issue with

1864
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 5: Mac is that he had he had to be a

1865
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 5: pocket passer. That's how he had to win, and he

1866
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 5: didn't have, you know, the arm talent to do it consistently,

1867
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 5: whereas with Jaden, you know, he can run around and

1868
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 5: make things happen and do things with his legs.

1869
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, Matthew, hi everyone. I know that general consensus

1870
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 3: is Zappi is not good enough. But under the circumstances,

1871
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 3: I thought he came in last year at the end

1872
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 3: and did okay. I was wondering what you all think

1873
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 3: his future is and can be. He may not even

1874
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 3: be on the team.

1875
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 5: I feel pretty strongly that he shouldn't kind of can't

1876
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 5: be on the team, especially after I'm sure you saw

1877
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 5: it Alex Instagram, Kendrick Bourne's contract thing party, whatever you

1878
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 5: want to call it. They were all at the dinner.

1879
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 5: That whole crew was out the dinner, and you know,

1880
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 5: Zapi stood up to give a speech about Kendrick Bourne

1881
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 5: and the whole room is going QB one, QB one.

1882
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 5: You know, this whole thing. I really feel like you

1883
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 5: have to start clean in that room. Everybody out, like I,

1884
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 5: Mac is already out Zappy too. It's nothing to do

1885
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 5: with ability. It's more to just do with with optics.

1886
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 5: And I have concerns that the locker room is going

1887
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 5: to Zappi is going to have some port from people

1888
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 5: in the locker room that are his teammates that have

1889
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 5: been around him for the last couple of years, and

1890
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a tough thing for not only the

1891
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 5: rookie but also Jacoby Brissett to win over everybody in

1892
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 5: the locker room if he's still here.

1893
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 3: Travis in West Virginia, He says, why so serious? Your

1894
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 3: recent show's a noticeably less funny quirky than they used

1895
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 3: to be. You've really been dwelling on the same topics

1896
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 3: over and over, and I'm tired of people calling in

1897
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 3: with their genius suggestions of what the Patriots should do

1898
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 3: in the draft. If I want this level of redundancy,

1899
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 3: I'll just listen to Weei. I come to you to

1900
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 3: mix it up and entertain me while also being informative.

1901
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 3: Can't you occasionally just talk about breaking down cardboard boxes

1902
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 3: and putting the mail by the tuna. Don't get me wrong,

1903
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 3: I love the show and I think you're the best

1904
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 3: in the business. I'm just trying to inject something different

1905
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,879
Speaker 3: than the incessant, insufferable talk of Drake may J Daniels

1906
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 3: in the Stupid Dynasty doc. Okay, no, I get it, Travis,

1907
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 3: But when is the last time we had the number

1908
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:37,520
Speaker 3: three pick? That's the thing. I mean. We're an uncharted

1909
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 3: territory here for the Patriots for the last twenty four

1910
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 3: years in that we have a top five pick. So

1911
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 3: I get it. Believe me, I want to fank ot

1912
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 3: the other story.

1913
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: You got to give the people what they want.

1914
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been I was born for this. This is

1915
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 5: this is my time to shine me and me and

1916
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 5: Barth the draft. People actually care about the draft for once.

1917
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 5: It's great and.

1918
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm here like, can't wait till the off season conversations.

1919
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 3: And Zach from Missouri wants to know is Evan Okay?

1920
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 3: He's rocking the same shirt he had on yesterday I'd

1921
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 3: be more than willing to set up a gofund me

1922
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 3: for the duke.

1923
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 5: That is we now have.

1924
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 3: Did you have a late night last night?

1925
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 5: I did go to the Celtics game. It was a

1926
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 5: little bit later in the outfit as as last night

1927
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 5: Evan came in drunk.

1928
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: I don't.

1929
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 5: I know that's not true, but I did. I did

1930
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 5: meet somebody cool at the Celtics game last night. Jeremy swaymen,

1931
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you're out to dinner me and my dad

1932
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 5: and uh. I looked over and he was standing at

1933
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 5: the hostess desks, and I was like, oh, that's definitely true.

1934
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: You didn't meet him when we had him here two

1935
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 2: years ago?

1936
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 5: No, no, no, but it was cool. Took a took

1937
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 5: a selfie with him. Nice guy.

1938
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: Wow did you ask him for that?

1939
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 5: Of course?

1940
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 3: Cool?

1941
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 5: First season ticket holders?

1942
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 3: So nice?

1943
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: You should print it out put at your desk.

1944
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 3: No, you want to do a shout out for the

1945
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: restaurant or no?

1946
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 5: I avoid if I could remember the name of it,

1947
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 5: but it's so we actually found remember, No, it's a

1948
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 5: Japanese restaurant. It's got you know. I can't I can't

1949
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 5: remember the exact name. But so at the garden. Now

1950
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:13,799
Speaker 5: they have this like cafeteria courtyard thing, and this Japanese

1951
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 5: restaurant is like right in there, but it's just like

1952
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 5: it's small. They just have some tables and stuff like that,

1953
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 5: and unlike all the bars, there's never that long of

1954
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 5: a wait, like I think we waited for like fifteen

1955
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 5: minutes last night. And me and my dad love you know,

1956
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 5: sushi ribs, you know, you know that type of stuff,

1957
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 5: So we just got a couple of plates of sushi.

1958
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 5: They have these like specialty ribs. I'll look up the name,

1959
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 5: but uh yeah, I guess swim and also a fan

1960
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 5: of said Asian restaurants. Having dinner with Jeremy Swimon last

1961
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 5: oh nice. Yeah, yeah.

1962
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 3: He got criticized for talking too much draft and not

1963
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 3: being funny anymore.

1964
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 4: How about pasta with a hat trick dinner? And I

1965
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 4: saw that bare thing where but I told my kid

1966
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 4: like he scored two goals in the first five minutes.

1967
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, hell, he'll have a hat trick tonight.

1968
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm gonna look up the name. You're right, fred,

1969
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 5: I should get How how was Daniel Jeremone dj was great?

1970
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 5: It was great. I you know, I just before we started.

1971
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 4: I told him like, hey, I go back to the

1972
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 4: days when you're recording your podcast out of your house.

1973
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, I appreciate it. So yeah, it's a

1974
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 4: full circle moment. So you know, I mean, as we

1975
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 4: kind of talked at the top, it happens a lot

1976
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 4: with people. I mean, Evan and I are kind of

1977
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 4: guys like that who just kind of had a passion

1978
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 4: and we're doing it out of their house and trying

1979
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 4: to figure out how to podcast.

1980
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 3: And Jeremiah was like, well, Deuce, I was at your

1981
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 3: last game at holy Cross, so you.

1982
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 4: Know when we won the MAC championship, thank you very much. Yeah,

1983
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 4: I walked off a winner. But but no, great great

1984
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 4: insight from him. You know, we talked make Daniels good fits.

1985
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 4: You know, he was I think of the stick at three,

1986
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 4: make the pick that was, you know, his overall kind

1987
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 4: of feeling he had Jade and Daniels going to the

1988
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 4: Patriots and his.

1989
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's been talking about the fact that he's had

1990
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 3: three straight mocked drafts with May going second.

1991
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1992
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't like that, but but well we'll see.

1993
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 4: As much as I do like Daniels, you know, I

1994
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 4: do it will be tough when then Washington coming on

1995
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 4: all that grank may all right, all right, let's go

1996
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 4: on Daniel.

1997
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 3: As being fres Now. I got to tell you, Mike

1998
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 3: might have peaked with that line about Zac Wilson's superpower

1999
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 3: being Mills and just kissed my well.

2000
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 4: I gotta give Mad props because it wasn't as quick

2001
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 4: as Matt made it sound in the open today. It

2002
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 4: took a little time for me to get that.

2003
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 3: And I love Alex's comment today about the director not

2004
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 3: being a football guy anyway. Years ago on PFW, there

2005
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 3: was a general agreement that when the Dynasty finally ended,

2006
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 3: it probably wouldn't go well, that the landing would probably

2007
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 3: be rocky. Looking back. Did it end better, worse or

2008
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 3: the same as you expected?

2009
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 4: That's a good question, the Dynasty and better or worse,

2010
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 4: or saying I just wish, I just wish it had

2011
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 4: ended after twenty eighteen, like I wish they won the

2012
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, like the Dynasty kind of portrays it, like

2013
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 4: I wish that that was the true ending because for me,

2014
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 4: like I'll always remember covering the nineteen season and how

2015
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 4: miserable that that was, and that's disappointing. It's a great question.

2016
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 4: And I always remember Tom's dad saying, it's not gonna

2017
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 4: end well. And I've always especially with the way that

2018
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 4: Bill was, you had to know that it was gonna

2019
01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 4: be a little clunky.

2020
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 5: I probably a little worse.

2021
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 4: Probably a little worse. I would have liked to have

2022
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 4: seen Bill, you know, go out, not kind of getting

2023
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 4: you know, kicked on the way not that, not that

2024
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 4: we kicked him on the way out, but it just

2025
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 4: it was down years he had.

2026
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 5: You know, it was a that part. I always think

2027
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 5: of the dynasty ending after Brady left, like I did, Well,

2028
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 5: it was.

2029
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a staggered ending. I guess you

2030
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 4: knew it wasn't probably they were gonna, you know, hop

2031
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 4: on a horse together and ride off into the sunset.

2032
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 5: But I think it was. I just I think it

2033
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 5: was it kind of caught up to him.

2034
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 4: You know that the sixteen seventeen eighteen drafts, like that's

2035
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 4: that's where the dynasty kind of died. I think are

2036
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 4: then those draft misses from sixteen to nineteen, and you know,

2037
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 4: by the time you had a little bit of a

2038
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 4: rise up when you went, you know, balls to the

2039
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 4: wall and free agency and that kind of you know

2040
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 4: righted the ship for a moment, but it was just

2041
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 4: too much. They didn't have a corps anymore. And you know,

2042
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 4: I I to me, it's it's all about those drafts

2043
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 4: and what they missed on.

2044
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, nobody could have predicted Brady leaving for

2045
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 3: the Bucks and winning a Super Bowl.

2046
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 9: No, you know, but it just I just wish, I'm

2047
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 9: I mean, twenty years is a long time. The fact

2048
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 9: that they kept it together is a miracle in and

2049
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 9: of itself. But I just wish maybe hindsight's twenty twenty

2050
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 9: maybe they I just wish they realized, like in the moment,

2051
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,919
Speaker 9: like this is so much bigger than our own individual egos,

2052
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 9: Like let's just find a way to make this work

2053
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 9: because we're like it was so magical.

2054
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 3: It really was. Yeah, But I think Brady still felt

2055
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 3: he had more to.

2056
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 2: Do with sure to prove and I wish he was here.

2057
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 3: As much to himself as to anyone else.

2058
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 5: And I think to Deuce's point, though, it probably wasn't

2059
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 5: going to be here regardless, just because of the state

2060
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 5: of the roster at that point, especially once Gronkowski retired

2061
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 5: and Edelman started to really get all caught up to

2062
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 5: him physically. I mean, you look at that that twenty

2063
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 5: nineteen you know, twenty twenty excuse me, roster, and if

2064
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 5: Brady comes back, I mean, what is he going to

2065
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 5: do with that team? Like even him, you know, like

2066
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 5: just yeah, and that was a team that you know,

2067
01:29:56,439 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 5: in nineteen, he carried that team to the playoff, you know,

2068
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 5: with a good defense against bad teams. But I just

2069
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 5: what would he have done with the twenty twenty team.

2070
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 5: It would not have been I'm sure they would have

2071
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 5: had a winning record because it's Tom Brady, but you know,

2072
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 5: in general, it just wouldn't have been different. I don't think.

2073
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I.

2074
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 5: I guess.

2075
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 3: I guess it ended kind of the way in terms

2076
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 3: of just feeling and you know, animosity or respect. I

2077
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 3: think it ended the way I thought it might. Yeah,

2078
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 3: you know, like again, I didn't think Brady was gonna

2079
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 3: go win a Super Bowl with another team, but I figured,

2080
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 3: you know, he could end up on another team. We

2081
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 3: talked about it. You know, all the greats, seemingly most

2082
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 3: of them, you know, Joe Montana and Aaron Rodgers, they

2083
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 3: all left for other teams. Even go back to Joe Namath,

2084
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 3: who I was a big fan of went for another

2085
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 3: you know, like a wizard, Michael George. You know, so

2086
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 3: that's not surprising. It's not surprising. There was some animosity.

2087
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 3: You know, why leave if you're you're truly happy. But

2088
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, it's a little surprising

2089
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 3: that Bill got canned and then he comes out and

2090
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 3: does a press conference all smiles, mutual, you know, sure,

2091
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 3: you know, getting paid in full, you know, softens the landing.

2092
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 3: You know. I think I think you're going to see

2093
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 3: over time that as bad as it was, I think

2094
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 3: to your point, Alex, they all do realize how great

2095
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 3: it was as well, and you'll see evidence of that

2096
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 3: in the next you know, coming months, in the years.

2097
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I think if there was you know, a

2098
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 4: good thing for Patriots fans to come out of the

2099
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 4: dynasty was just a there's a large group of fans

2100
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 4: now that I think, I have a little more appreciation

2101
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 4: for Bill and they're defending him a.

2102
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 5: Little bit more. But you know what it was like

2103
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 5: for the last three years after Tom left, everybody blamed Bill.

2104
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,600
Speaker 4: Everyone kicked Bill. That was he was the you know,

2105
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 4: the horse that it was getting beat by all the fans.

2106
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 4: And you know, so now it's it's changed. Unfortunately now

2107
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 4: it's the owner and crosshairs, it seems like. But I

2108
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 4: just think that that's gonna kind of open the door

2109
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 4: for Bill when he does come back, that he's going

2110
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 4: to really be embraced. And I think, you know, and

2111
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,640
Speaker 4: that's why I like the way the dynasty ended. I

2112
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 4: do think it ended on a positive note.

2113
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 3: And you know, it would surprise me more is if

2114
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 3: when Bill goes into the Canton Hall of Fame, Robert

2115
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 3: and Tom Brady aren't there. Oh yeah, that would shock me.

2116
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 3: Of course they'll be.

2117
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 5: Do you think he's going to be there in June?

2118
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 3: Yes, Brady?

2119
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good, No, but I would assume he's going

2120
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 4: to be.

2121
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 3: Robert writes in While I like what the new regime

2122
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 3: has done so far with retention and depth, with so

2123
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 3: many needs, I don't see how they keep the third pick.

2124
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 3: If they can pick up another first round of this

2125
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 3: year and additional picks for this in the next draft,

2126
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 3: how could they say no?

2127
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 4: I just again, if you believe that one of these quarterbacks,

2128
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 4: that you believe in them, you're not going to have

2129
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 4: a chance probably to get I mean, look at how

2130
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 4: hard it was to get to three you know at

2131
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 4: this point, Like I mean, I still have people send

2132
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 4: messages they never should have be donever. You know, it's

2133
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 4: that's gonna happen. They're gonna win games. You're the third

2134
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 4: overall pick, You're probably not gonna get a chance, and

2135
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 4: you're you're you're doing this in a year where there

2136
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 4: are three good quarterbacks that are worthy of that pick.

2137
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,719
Speaker 4: So I just think, unless you vehemently feel like Jayden

2138
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 4: Daniels can't play, then you stay and you take the quarterback.

2139
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I would ask people, and I know

2140
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 5: that it's probably not the right reason that to do

2141
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 5: it out of fear, but how would you feel if

2142
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 5: the Patriots traded out of the third overall pick and

2143
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 5: Drake May goes on to be an MVP quarterback and

2144
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,719
Speaker 5: the Patriots are stuck in this quarterback purgatory left tackle?

2145
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 5: You're right, and they're just there's no And I think

2146
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 5: that in some ways that's why teams reach on quarterbacks

2147
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 5: is out of that fear that they're the team that

2148
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 5: passed up the quarterback. But I think that that's.

2149
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 2: Quarterback and also end up in purgatory.

2150
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, I think that that's that's the question

2151
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,759
Speaker 5: to you know, just a different way kind of asking

2152
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 5: the same question that Deuce is asking, is you know,

2153
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 5: if you feel that this guy has that type of potential,

2154
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 5: do you want to be the team in three years

2155
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 5: that passed on Drake May Like, do you want to

2156
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 5: be the team in three years that passed on Jaden Daniels.

2157
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 5: That's gonna look bad as the Chicago Bears out looks

2158
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 5: had to pass on Patrick Mahomes for Mitchell Trubisky, you know,

2159
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:11,719
Speaker 5: like it's really you do that, and you're really risking

2160
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 5: it if you're this region.

2161
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,719
Speaker 4: But even like sticking with that point with the Bears,

2162
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 4: like I don't and it's not totally Apple Staples, but

2163
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's saying, like you idiots for drafting

2164
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 4: Justin Fields at this point, like it didn't work out,

2165
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, in hindsight, that was the pick.

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01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 5: Like you know, Mac, there's no regrets.

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01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 3: There were people Patriots fans lamenting that the Patriots didn't

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01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:31,639
Speaker 3: move up to get Justin Fields.

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01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, oh, I mean you know there's still

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01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 5: people that think he can play.

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01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 10: Yea.

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01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 4: So I mean, I mean Paul was a big Justin

2173
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,759
Speaker 4: Fields guy, and he would have he would have been ecstatic,

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01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 4: and you know that's that's just how it goes, Like,

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01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 4: you know, these guys have the traits, and I mean

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01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 4: we've talked about it. You know, it's I used the

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01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 4: Pennox example is just if you really don't believe in

2178
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 4: a guy and he's there and you're feeling, like to

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01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 4: Evan's point of that pressure of like we just we

2180
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 4: don't have a quarterback and he's not perfect and we

2181
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 4: don't really like him, but there's no one else, and

2182
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 4: you know, and you.

2183
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 5: Get forced in it.

2184
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 4: Like it's just it would take real courage to pass

2185
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 4: on that when you really need it, because you just

2186
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:04,759
Speaker 4: have confidence in your conviction that he's not the guy, even.

2187
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 5: Though you need a quarterback. Yeah, and I think a

2188
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,520
Speaker 5: lot of people to say, oh, it's the third quarterback,

2189
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 5: Like you know, you're not even getting the best quarterback.

2190
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 5: But there was a big difference between drafting the third

2191
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 5: quarterback and drafting the fifth quarterback. And it's at fifteen

2192
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 5: instead of three. You know, this quarterback class, Drake May,

2193
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 5: if it's Drake May or Jaden, same thing, Like they

2194
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 5: might have been the number one quarterback in other classes.

2195
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 5: They certainly would have been that in twenty twenty two,

2196
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 5: like all these guys would have been drafted way ahead

2197
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 5: of Kenny Pickett. So like that's the thing you also

2198
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 5: have to look at, is yes, because there's a Caleb

2199
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 5: Williams in this class. Drake May is not the number

2200
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 5: one quarterback on the board, but Caleb Williams would be

2201
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 5: the number one quarterback in pretty much every single class.

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01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 3: Here's a question, and I guess Evan, maybe you're most

2203
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 3: qualified to answer, but anyone can. If Trevor Lawrence was

2204
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 3: in this draft, where would you.

2205
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 5: Go one one? I think? But there are people that

2206
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 5: would say that Caleb would go ahead of him. There

2207
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 5: are I think that Trevor Lawrence was a safer than Caleb.

2208
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 5: I think he was a more natural pocket quarterback than

2209
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 5: Caleb is, whereas Caleb has the improv stuff going on

2210
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 5: for him.

2211
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 3: So you said that with no pause, Yeah, does that

2212
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 3: give you any second guess about like how good these

2213
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 3: quarterbacks actually are?

2214
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,560
Speaker 5: No, because I would say that Caleb is in the

2215
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 5: same tier as Trevor Lawrence, and I would rank Drake

2216
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 5: May and a Jaden Daniels ahead of a Zach Wilson

2217
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 5: and ahead of a Trey Lance and.

2218
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, like now, in hindsight, I mean,

2219
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 3: what is that saying?

2220
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 5: But I would have done it back then.

2221
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,759
Speaker 3: I mean, Bailey Zappi's ahead of those guys, but it would.

2222
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 5: Have done it, like just based off of like how

2223
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 5: you're grading them coming out of college. You know, It's okay,

2224
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 5: it's not about hindsight. Like I can pull up the

2225
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 5: grade that I had on Zack Wilson and it's the

2226
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 5: grade I have on Jaden Daniels as higher, you know,

2227
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 5: And so that's it's just the way that you look

2228
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,679
Speaker 5: at it. Like Mac Jones for me, was a ceiling

2229
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 5: of an NFL starter, like a competent NFL starter, and

2230
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 5: these guys are ceiling of MVP caliber quarterback. You know,

2231
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 5: Like that's that's a big, big difference. Yeah, but it's always.

2232
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 4: Every year is a combination two of guys like Trevor

2233
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 4: Lawrence and lesser extent Williams. I agree with Evan that

2234
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 4: are NFL ready and you know, guys like Josh Allen

2235
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 4: or Mahomes that have some questions. And you know there's

2236
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,759
Speaker 4: no rule though that only a certain amount of quarterbacks

2237
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 4: can hit you have. You know, there are drafts where

2238
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 4: that quarterback taken just that you know, around the tenth

2239
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 4: pick it actually hits and the guy who's the third doesn't.

2240
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 4: There's no rhyme or reason to you know, every year,

2241
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 4: oh you're getting the third quarterback. Sometimes the third quarterback

2242
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 4: turns out to be the best player, you.

2243
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 5: Know, So I mean, the second quarterback was the best

2244
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 5: player last year. And I would also just say that

2245
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 5: not every team has the same board. And I think

2246
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 5: this is the hardest part about draft season when it

2247
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 5: comes to predicting the draft, is that all thirty two

2248
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 5: teams have a different board. So you could talk to

2249
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 5: ten of them and you could get a consensus out

2250
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 5: of those ten. But all it takes is one of

2251
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 5: those teams to like JJ McCarthy more than they like

2252
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 5: Drake May, and then JJ McCarthy all of a sudden

2253
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 5: goes ahead of May. You know, like that's that's all

2254
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 5: it takes. In a lot of cases, I think that

2255
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 5: that's this the order that they come off the board in.

2256
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 5: It's not consistently always, Like you said, dude, that's the

2257
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 5: way that it ends up being that this was the

2258
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 5: best quarterback, that was the second best quarterback, that was

2259
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 5: the third best. I mean just last year.

2260
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's certainly appealing when you look at

2261
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 4: a guy like Trevor Lawrence and you say he's ready,

2262
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 4: he's ready to pop into an NFL offense ye for years,

2263
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 4: you know, like never lost a game in whatever, like

2264
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:26,640
Speaker 4: thirty years or whatever it was. You know, so I

2265
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 4: don't know that's and that's why I say, like Daniels

2266
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 4: in May, they they they need to develop, they have

2267
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 4: you know, they're not ready made, you know, not to

2268
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 4: spoil DJ, but he felt like both guys could hop right.

2269
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 5: In and play, you know, almost immediately, so you know, it's.

2270
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 2: It's just there was like a really strong consensus, because

2271
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 2: that's I think it happened. I think it just makes

2272
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 2: me so apprehensive because there's no consensus.

2273
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 3: Like when Elway he was everyone knew he was going

2274
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 3: to be great, and he was great. Peyton Manning everyone

2275
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 3: knew who was going to be great and he was great.

2276
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 3: You know, like you don't get that anymore a lot.

2277
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, if Caleb didn't have he wasn't Caleb, and he

2278
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 5: didn't have all, you know, all the personality quirks that

2279
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 5: he has, then I think that he would be considered

2280
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 5: that type of player but for some.

2281
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,600
Speaker 2: People I'm talking about between Daniels.

2282
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 5: And may that to me that and I agree that

2283
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 5: there is no consensus, but I think that stems from

2284
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 5: playing style. They're so stark in how they different in

2285
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,560
Speaker 5: how they play than it's a flavor thing. It's do

2286
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 5: you what do you want Lamar Jackson or do you

2287
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:29,679
Speaker 5: want Josh Allen? And some people are going to favor

2288
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 5: one and over the other. So both of them had

2289
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 5: the same ceiling of MVP. But it's just right, and

2290
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 5: so that's hard, you know, some people just prefer one

2291
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 5: style over the other.

2292
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 3: Uh, Deuce's list, says Audrey. One more key moment for

2293
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 3: Duce's List that wasn't used in The Dynasty Brady's freak

2294
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 3: thumb injury, his amazing quick stitch up and proactive healing

2295
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 3: work with Alex and then playing great and all BB

2296
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,560
Speaker 3: said was, well it is an open heart surgery. I

2297
01:39:56,680 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 3: bet Brady was furious. Another fat log on the fire one.

2298
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 5: That's a good one.

2299
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 3: I do.

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01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 4: There are a couple other two that that I forgot

2301
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 4: to write down, But you know, again, like I don't

2302
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 4: need like twenty minutes on each of those moments. I

2303
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 4: just think they were significant moments in the story of

2304
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 4: the dynasty in that you know, like, like, I don't

2305
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 4: need a full segment on the Wildcat game, but you

2306
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 4: could show me that as part of the two thousand

2307
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 4: and eight season to kind of illustrate the point that

2308
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 4: the defense was getting old. And I mean Bill says

2309
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 4: it himself in that documentary, we couldn't beat the good teams.

2310
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that that's a point that

2311
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 4: every every filmmaker is going to tell the story from

2312
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 4: their perspective. But and it's hard, Like if I had

2313
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 4: been on that Hammi check thing, I look, I'm the worst,

2314
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 4: You're not worst nightmare because I.

2315
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 5: Know all of this. I live in all of us,

2316
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 5: every moment you miss. But what would it have gotten?

2317
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 4: But in my not defense? Like am I not defense?

2318
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 10: Like?

2319
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 5: But would it have gotten bogged down?

2320
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 3: And not?

2321
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 5: No, you know, but it needed Hammicheck. Directing it in

2322
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 5: that way is fine, but it needed a Mike to

2323
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 5: sew mister Hollywood to cut that has the background of

2324
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 5: knowing what it's like to make a documentary the way

2325
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 5: he's trying to make it, but also has the knowledge

2326
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 5: of the Patriots dynasty to be like, but you're missing.

2327
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 5: You know, we could just to add these pieces in.

2328
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 2: Our fans are Rabbit fans. They know everything, they remember it.

2329
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think too that like maybe the biggest miss though,

2330
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 4: when we're talking about things that they didn't do for

2331
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 4: Bill was the twenty one game win Street, because I

2332
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 4: think that's kind of where the Patriots became the Patriots,

2333
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 4: and they became that one game at a time, you know,

2334
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 4: and I've said it before that what I always kind

2335
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 4: of what I take what I love about Bill and

2336
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 4: his coaching style was the focus on today, focus on

2337
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 4: you know, it's the saying be here now that that

2338
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,640
Speaker 4: people sometimes use. I think that kind of sums up

2339
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:46,680
Speaker 4: what his coaching philosophy and really you know, came down to.

2340
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 4: And you had a team that really believed in that,

2341
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,640
Speaker 4: and you know, Paul talked about you know another one

2342
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 4: bites the Dust that they would play in O seven.

2343
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,759
Speaker 4: That to me that they they kind of just glossed

2344
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 4: over that stuff.

2345
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 12: You know.

2346
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,640
Speaker 5: Hamicheck wanted to put the spotlight on eight as a

2347
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 5: drink the Bill.

2348
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 4: I think the much bigger spotlight was on those two

2349
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 4: seasons that win streak, how they won games however they

2350
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 4: needed to and you know, defensively, they really emerged into

2351
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 4: like just this nightmare of a team to have to

2352
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 4: deal with the O one.

2353
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 5: Pats weren't really that. They became the.

2354
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,800
Speaker 4: Patriots the Patriot way that term that was three h four.

2355
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go back to the phones. Uh Todd's in

2356
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 3: North Carolina.

2357
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 19: Hey, Todd, you know, I've been liking the dynasty talk

2358
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 19: both past and future, and I think you guys have

2359
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 19: been doing a great job of really just breaking it

2360
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 19: down and letting us all no kind of you know,

2361
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 19: all the perspectives involved. But I think we're missing one here.

2362
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,680
Speaker 19: The big one where is missing here is probably how

2363
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 19: are we doing the po transition here? Like is Bart's

2364
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,719
Speaker 19: going to be Fred? And then you've got maybe Duce's Paul?

2365
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:53,799
Speaker 19: How do you how are you guys figuring on transitions?

2366
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 5: This dynasty is not ending anytime. I just got skipped

2367
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 5: over from Bar apparently something of that.

2368
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 19: No, No, you're Eric, Evan, You're You're Eric, but a

2369
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 19: good Eric.

2370
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 3: I know a lot more about So in your story,

2371
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 3: do I go to like the forty nine ers and

2372
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 3: win an Emmy or something, or.

2373
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I think you're kind of Bill Fred.

2374
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 8: I think we're going to push you in more flash

2375
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:15,600
Speaker 8: than that.

2376
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 19: I think you probably go down to the rams or something.

2377
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Paul's Tom.

2378
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 4: I think Paul's Tom, Fred's Bill.

2379
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 5: I think so. Yeah, that's never given me be another Paul.

2380
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 5: I mean that's the I mean, especially these days, we'll

2381
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 5: never could never find.

2382
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 19: My problem is who's going to be the Andy and

2383
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 19: the new one? Like you guys have never transitioned to

2384
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 19: an Andy yet.

2385
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean there's only so many in the

2386
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 5: world finishing each other.

2387
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 8: Anyway.

2388
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 19: I love the show. Thank you guys for all that

2389
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,720
Speaker 19: you do in this crazy time. And yeah, keep us on,

2390
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 19: keep us in formed, all.

2391
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 3: Right, Thank doctor. I appreciate it. Mike's and Puerto Rico.

2392
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 5: Hey, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. No, okay, yeah,

2393
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 5: find one who's been a little bit. Yeah, walking Korean

2394
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:00,839
Speaker 5: is in Boston.

2395
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 20: Hey, Kareem, Hey, guys, Boston scream. Also it's Kareem and Boston.

2396
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 20: How to folks.

2397
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 3: Hello, we've got a character here.

2398
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 10: What's going on?

2399
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 20: Another another great phone call by Todd. He can put

2400
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 20: away the pads.

2401
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 3: Now, Wow, I love it.

2402
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:26,799
Speaker 5: Listener listener, just have a donut.

2403
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 20: No, I love Todd because every single phone call is

2404
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 20: more entertaining than.

2405
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 3: His good He's got a whole routine.

2406
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 5: I love it.

2407
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 20: Yeah, let's take a little spin on this. Your guys,

2408
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 20: off season is coming up. Tell me one thing you

2409
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 20: guys are looking forward to do this offseason.

2410
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 5: The off season we don't have. I mean maybe two

2411
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 5: weeks in early July between mini camp and training campers

2412
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 5: a little bit.

2413
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 3: I hope to play tennis. I hope to play golf.

2414
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 4: I'm going to LA for my annual visit with my

2415
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 4: in laws and the l A trip, so I'm looking

2416
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 4: forward to that. Getting some food. As I mentioned, my

2417
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,680
Speaker 4: favorite dessert place is back in business, so he's very

2418
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 4: there for my birthday. The Oreo teamsue you're going down.

2419
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 5: They're very excited about the dessert place.

2420
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, like it's just my favorite.

2421
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 3: Evan's going to catch up on his film study.

2422
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 2: I married this off season.

2423
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 5: Next off season, Uh, you will go to Martha's Vineyard

2424
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 5: for for a trip like we always do. I won't

2425
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 5: be as as exciting as last year, when you know,

2426
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 5: I got engaged, Like I can't really top that, But

2427
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 5: we'll have a good time.

2428
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 2: I got some bachelorettes.

2429
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're in that phase of life. How much

2430
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:39,879
Speaker 4: money you're gonna have to drop on bachelorette dresses, travel parties?

2431
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 2: Last summer, well last summer. The one that got me

2432
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 2: is the wedding that cut canceled when I showed up.

2433
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,680
Speaker 5: I gotta admit I just I'm no thanks, Just like

2434
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:52,720
Speaker 5: give my if you won't feel the need to give

2435
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 5: me a spot, just give me my spot to somebody else,

2436
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 5: like I I just there's not.

2437
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 4: Wait, what's the our bachelor party going to be?

2438
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 10: Like?

2439
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 3: What is that you want?

2440
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 5: That's an off there conversation. Give me, you don't want

2441
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 5: to you don't want to documented.

2442
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:14,719
Speaker 3: What you're They hired darren A Lawski to come into

2443
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 3: a strip tease. He comes out of a cake.

2444
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 5: What we got here is me.

2445
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 4: I went to Vegas for my bachelor party, and it

2446
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:25,560
Speaker 4: was you know what, that's a place to do your bachelor.

2447
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 5: In my you know, like that would be where I

2448
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 5: would want to go. But we've also been to Vegas

2449
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 5: so many times over the last couple of years because

2450
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 5: of the team that I'm kind of all Vegas out,

2451
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 5: like I've I've been there done that sort of thing,

2452
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 5: so maybe something a little different.

2453
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 3: I do need to take my wife there. She's never

2454
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 3: been to Vegas. It's nice.

2455
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 4: I need to stay at Paris.

2456
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 5: It's very romantic. It's you know, the fake Eiffel Tower.

2457
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 4: Don't do not stay at the ex calip That was

2458
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 4: where we stayed at my bachelor party, which was we

2459
01:46:56,120 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 4: got comp to. We got the brunch where the lux

2460
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 4: do not stay at the luxor the ex Caliber's bad

2461
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 4: to we got comps, like you know, we're like, hey,

2462
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 4: we thought we were a big time getting comped to

2463
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 4: the to the brunch, and I like, I like desserts.

2464
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even eat the desserts of the brunch.

2465
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 5: It was I'm not a hotel, not like wherever we

2466
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 5: stay is always more than fine with me. But that

2467
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,600
Speaker 5: what you wrote in the in the poll in the

2468
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 5: nfl A survey that I didn't get a participate. I

2469
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 5: didn't get to take that. But the Luxe or I

2470
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 5: will never step foot in that building ever again. It

2471
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 5: was that bad. They're trashy. But like the Bellagio's really now.

2472
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 4: Hotel, great food, you know.

2473
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 5: The wind, you can get anything there, even like even

2474
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 5: even Harris is like it's still cheap, if you know.

2475
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 5: I used to go there when I was younger, when

2476
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,280
Speaker 5: I had no money, But it's at least nicer than

2477
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:56,520
Speaker 5: like the Scalibur lux or like Chopicana.

2478
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 3: You know.

2479
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 4: My favorite poor person move in the in the lux

2480
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:01,759
Speaker 4: or in the casinos was is just play the penny

2481
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 4: slots and sit there and let them bring you free drinks.

2482
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:05,680
Speaker 5: And then you know, get going and get That's how

2483
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 5: you money.

2484
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 4: You're like one penny, like anybody a waitress, you know,

2485
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 4: like another one, you know, like then after like six peers,

2486
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 4: I've only spent twelve cents.

2487
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see, Ryan writes in so I had wanted

2488
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 3: to wait until free agency calm down to play this game.

2489
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 3: You are to send Scott Zolak back to a historic

2490
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 3: Patriots team to play out the season as the number

2491
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 3: one quarterback with the sole purpose of getting as many

2492
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 3: wins as possible. What year do you send Zoe back to?

2493
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 3: Where and when does this man have the best shot

2494
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 3: at getting those sweet sweet ws.

2495
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 5: Oh man, it's a better question for two definitely.

2496
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 4: I mean probably in that kind of eighties, when you know,

2497
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:51,719
Speaker 4: after their Super Bowl run, when they still had some talent,

2498
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:53,599
Speaker 4: but you know Grogan was starting to break down.

2499
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:54,759
Speaker 5: Easton wasn't the answer.

2500
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't send Zoe back to like the

2501
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 4: ninety ninety one ninety two teenthugh where they were terrible.

2502
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 4: But you know maybe with with Stanley Morgan at the end,

2503
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 4: Zoe could have could have picked up some dubs.

2504
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 3: Do you think he'd have been better in two thousand

2505
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 3: and eight than Castle? Like you know, Zoe at his peak,

2506
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 3: his peak.

2507
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,040
Speaker 4: Pat And I've got to be honest, I love me

2508
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,759
Speaker 4: some Zoe, like I love backup quarterbacks like Gardner Minshew

2509
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 4: with like a little flare, like they're not that good,

2510
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:18,879
Speaker 4: but they just have a little.

2511
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 5: No no, no, it's a modern zo Well Minshew just yeah, yeah, minch. Yeah.

2512
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 5: You know he's got some personality like like could you

2513
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 5: picture Mintschew and you ask him if you'd like that comparison?

2514
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 5: Your Gardener's that bad?

2515
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 4: Well, but can't you picture Minshew Like, Oh, he's gonna

2516
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 4: he's in Vegas now, Like, oh, he's gonna hang around

2517
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 4: in Vegas and be like the radio guy, like you

2518
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 4: can totally believe it.

2519
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 3: He's got Yeah, he's got some I remember when Zoe

2520
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 3: had his little run. He got came in and went

2521
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 3: ripped off a few games and like his dad was

2522
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 3: on the night the sports shows and he was you know,

2523
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:51,599
Speaker 3: it was all zo And I mean there's a reason.

2524
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 4: Why the guy stuck around and has become like kind

2525
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,840
Speaker 4: of an icon in New England, like and that's how

2526
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 4: he was when he played.

2527
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 3: Like you know, if you can have a good nickname,

2528
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 3: you can stick around longer.

2529
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 13: Him.

2530
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 5: He is a character. Oh, I mean just watching Zoe

2531
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 5: in the wild is something else.

2532
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 3: Man.

2533
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 4: I've done a couple of shows with him, like where

2534
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 4: we do, you know, our little Patriots analysis and usually

2535
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 4: you're just kind of off the car and you just

2536
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 4: don't know where he's going with something all of a sudden,

2537
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 4: But what do you think about that?

2538
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 3: Mc go, Like what did you say?

2539
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 5: He knows exactly how he is on on the sports

2540
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 5: tub is how but he's like that there's no off.

2541
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 3: It would be so funny, I think instead of gerber

2542
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 3: As they fed him at all when Oh my god,

2543
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 3: he's the best.

2544
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:35,400
Speaker 5: I always just love when we're doing this show and

2545
01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 5: then he'll walk in and you're like, oh there's you know,

2546
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,560
Speaker 5: I just I love that one. You know where the

2547
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 5: buses are leaving in five minutes, and so gets on

2548
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 5: and all of us have been sitting there for two hours.

2549
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tim and soci together just such a combo.

2550
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:52,600
Speaker 3: Uh chat in Atlanta. I don't get the hype for

2551
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne. I get it. The guy has a great smile,

2552
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 3: silly personality, but that doesn't help you win games. I

2553
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:00,680
Speaker 3: hated the signing in twenty one, and I hated them

2554
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 3: bringing him back the season. I just don't think he's

2555
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 3: that talented. Patriots fans have been so starved for wide

2556
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 3: receiver since that one game with Antonio Brown that they'll

2557
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 3: eat up a fringe wide receiver great.

2558
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 4: I don't think that he is the next coming of anything.

2559
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 4: I would just say the guy was on pace for

2560
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 4: like eighty five catches.

2561
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 3: And if we had a WR one and maybe a

2562
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 3: WR two, he'd be a good receiver. Yeah, and you'd

2563
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:24,880
Speaker 3: be like glad to have Kendrick.

2564
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 5: If he's not getting paid anything, right, So what it

2565
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 5: was stressing about, and.

2566
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 9: It's just good vibes like you right, this offense desperately

2567
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 9: needed well you see.

2568
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 5: I mean if they paid him like he was a

2569
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 5: number one, if they paid him twenty million, dollars and

2570
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 5: I'd understand totally why we get emails like that. But

2571
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 5: they're paying him like he should be paid. He's making

2572
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 5: like a base salary of six million dollars next year.

2573
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:49,920
Speaker 3: If if if the weight of the offense wasn't on

2574
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 3: his shoulders, which at times it was, he'd be.

2575
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,000
Speaker 4: Fine, I mean fine if his name wasn't Kendrick Bourne.

2576
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:57,639
Speaker 4: And he played for another team last year and he staid,

2577
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 4: here's a guy who is you know what twenty nine.

2578
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 4: I mean, he's, you know, still on the right side

2579
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 4: of thirty, that was having a career year and was

2580
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 4: you know, one of the only bright spots in arguably

2581
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:09,760
Speaker 4: the worst offense in the league. And hey, he tore

2582
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,600
Speaker 4: his ACL. We're going to take a cheap flyer on

2583
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 4: this guy. People would be kind of contrigued. But because

2584
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,560
Speaker 4: he's the known commodity and it's Kendrick Bourne and you know,

2585
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 4: lover matehim that people are just kind of like, oh,

2586
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 4: I don't want him back, Like I'm fine with it,

2587
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 4: Like who knows he comes back.

2588
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 5: Maybe he's also an analytics darling for what it's worthy,

2589
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 5: the analytics every year, and they loved him in San Francisco, too,

2590
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,639
Speaker 5: because even though he's not a high volume guy, he's

2591
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 5: really really efficient with the targets that he does get.

2592
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 5: He catches the ball at a high rate and he

2593
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Speaker 5: gets a lot of yards out of it too. So

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01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 5: he's somebody that is that perfect wide receiver three that's

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01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 5: you know, when you throw him the ball, he produces,

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01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 5: but he's not necessarily going to get the hundreds of

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01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 5: rack abilities.

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Speaker 3: Did anyone see his YouTube tour of his little room

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Speaker 3: at his house.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 2: Kendrick's vlog channel is amazing.

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01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 5: It's so funny.

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01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:56,599
Speaker 3: I kind of laugh because, like he's got the shirts

2604
01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 3: that he's got from players.

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01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 2: It's like a college kids, yea, they like nobody married.

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01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 3: Like I didn't even recognize any of the names of

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01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 3: the shirts that he had up there, and he's like, yeah,

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01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:06,719
Speaker 3: here's all my shirts.

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01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 5: And I don't know, I could, I could.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm good with not seeing anymore of the you know,

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01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 4: behind the scenes videos.

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Speaker 5: These guys, I like, you were just disappeared. They just

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01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:21,639
Speaker 5: disappeared into here. When I gave my my Zappie take,

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01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 5: I just be one. He needs to be gone, Like.

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Speaker 2: You think that was a joke. He needs very serious

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01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 2: about that.

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01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:30,559
Speaker 4: I got to be honest, I don't really like there's

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01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 4: a whole Felgrim mass thing. And then Paul, I know

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01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 4: Paul's on this train too that they like he's like

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01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 4: there on it. He's got like an attitude and he's

2621
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 4: too cocky, and I'm like, what, I just don't get it,

2622
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 4: Like and I've I've you know, I sat next to

2623
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,479
Speaker 4: him at a function once and like he's just a

2624
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 4: nice kid.

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01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:45,679
Speaker 5: He's a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 4: I just don't get that whole thing that they have

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01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 4: this whole narrative going that he Yeah, you know.

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01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 5: That's definitely not my my issue with Zappy again, Like

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01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 5: it isn't even performance, like it's not to do it

2632
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 5: on the field. I just think that a lot of

2633
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,600
Speaker 5: those guys, and I think Hendrick in particular has a

2634
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:04,560
Speaker 5: lot of pull in that receiver room. And if we

2635
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 5: get into week one and it's like Zappi versus Brissette,

2636
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,759
Speaker 5: they're all going with Zappie right now, and I'm.

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01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 4: Just like, I don't know, Well, you'll see.

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01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,120
Speaker 5: I mean maybe they're like Zami's cool, but.

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Speaker 3: People like him. Yeah, so I think he'll He's a

2640
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 3: good dude. Yeah, he'll be He'll have been here all summer.

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01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 3: He'll have plenty of time to win.

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01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 5: I don't need a divided locker room. I don't need it.

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01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's going to be divided.

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01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 9: I don't see this as Kendrick kind of stepping into

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01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 9: a more leadership role. He's one of the few veterans

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01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 9: on offense coming back that totally.

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01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 2: Trying to take these kids. I'm not way they're just

2648
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 2: hanging out. I don't think he's gonna start like a

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01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 2: quarterback Riot.

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Speaker 4: Who's can who can be nicer? That's what they're Jacobe

2651
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 4: or Zapie.

2652
01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 5: Who's gonna be nicer?

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