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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up straight Fire, fam,

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Speaker 1: It's being Jason McIntyre Straight Fire. Friday, June four. The

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Speaker 1: Lakers are done. That champs are dead. There will be

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Speaker 1: a new NBA champion in twenty one. The Lakers. They

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Speaker 1: went out with a whimper against the Sons last night.

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Speaker 1: A very interesting double digit game the entire way. Somehow

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Speaker 1: it felt closer than it was. A lot of thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the Lakers. But before we get to Dame Lillard,

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Speaker 1: his loss cost me money, his comments afterward Lakers Sons.

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Speaker 1: I do have to tell you we have a great

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Speaker 1: interview today with Damon Jones, the former Cleveland cav of

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Speaker 1: Miami Heat, played in the NBA for about a decade. Journeyman.

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Speaker 1: But if you guys follow me on social media, you

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Speaker 1: know we really recently got into it on the Twitter

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Speaker 1: machine over his guy, Tyler Damon Jones. Of course, buddies

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Speaker 1: with Tyler going way way, way, way way back. And

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Speaker 1: I have let my feelings be known about Tyler, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say questions his credentials, but let's

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Speaker 1: just say I disagree with the masses on Tyler. We

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Speaker 1: it's okay to disagree. It can be healthy. I reached

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Speaker 1: out to Damon Jones. I said, Yo, you want to

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Speaker 1: come on the pod. He said, sure, let's chop it up.

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Speaker 1: And I think you guys will like the interview. We

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Speaker 1: did the interview before Lakers Sons, so no Laker talk. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There is some I don't want to say disagreement, but

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll get into the Clippers, who play a monster

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Speaker 1: game tonight, huge against Luca in Dallas. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you right now, the NBA has to be rooting for

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Speaker 1: the l A Clippers. They lost the Knicks the number

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Speaker 1: one media market on Wednesday, they lost the Lakers the

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Speaker 1: number one TV draw with Steph Curry out of the

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Speaker 1: playoffs on Thursday, And if they lose the Clippers tonight,

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Speaker 1: the NBA TV executives are gonna be a little weirded out.

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Speaker 1: And again, I know what you're saying, Jason, who cares

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Speaker 1: about the TV ratings? Who cares the players care? Because, guys,

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Speaker 1: when the super teams were created, Danny Ainge started it

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Speaker 1: all with Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce,

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Speaker 1: and then Lebron antied up with Dwayne Wade and Bosh

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Speaker 1: and Lebron TV ratings last decade. Sword TV ratings equal revenue.

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Speaker 1: Revenue equals higher salary cap. Higher salary cap equals more

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Speaker 1: money to the players. What does it mean when there's

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Speaker 1: less money to go around because the ratings are down,

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Speaker 1: the new TV deal will be lower, thus lower salary cap.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to bore you with salary cap stuff,

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Speaker 1: but I do need to talk about the end of

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Speaker 1: the Lakers season and it was depressing. I had like

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Speaker 1: seven different text chains going on during the game. Devin

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Speaker 1: Booker couldn't miss before we take shots at the Lakers

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Speaker 1: and talk about how they have to get Bradley Belle

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Speaker 1: in the offseason, or maybe Damian Lillard who sounds like

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Speaker 1: he might be done in Portland's or someone else tbd um.

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Speaker 1: I need to give some props to two guys. Number one,

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Speaker 1: Devin Booker, who was just absolutely phenomenal. I mean, Devin

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Speaker 1: Booker proved that he is an All NBA player. I

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Speaker 1: had him on my All NBA team. Rob g of

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Speaker 1: course did not d book dropping forty seven. It felt

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Speaker 1: like he couldn't miss. If you want, if you stayed

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Speaker 1: up late on the East Coast, the game den'enta like

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Speaker 1: one twenty on the East Coast. If you stayed up,

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Speaker 1: you watched Devin Booker just rain threes and then with

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Speaker 1: like a minute left, he went baseline for a two

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Speaker 1: a big yell somebody. It might have been the Morris twin.

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Speaker 1: I still don't know which one. I mean, I'm kidding,

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Speaker 1: a primal scream. Somebody, either the Morris twin or Shrewder

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Speaker 1: were both I think they were ejected. Rob Jakin sort

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Speaker 1: it all out. But Jay Crowder proceeded to just run

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this, Devin Booker was incredible. Forty

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Speaker 1: seven points. He had eight threes. At one point in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, he had as many threes made as

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Speaker 1: the Lakers did. Lakers made ten threes, Devin Booker made eight.

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Speaker 1: And if it was in d book who who I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you guys. He looks like a major, major star

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Speaker 1: like Donovan. Mitchell has been awesome. He's had a couple

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Speaker 1: of fifty burgers. Deep book just put the Lakers out

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Speaker 1: that sink in. Devin Bookers twenty four years old. Someone

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Speaker 1: on Twitter reminded me, Hey, Jay, you didn't have him

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Speaker 1: need to give some props that apologize to Jake Crowder. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I was at Game three last week when Lebron absolutely

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Speaker 1: just clowned Jay Crowder and Andre Drummond and the entire

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Speaker 1: Laker bench got into it. Lebron went to work on Crowder.

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Speaker 1: Crowder was deep panted. In the first three games of

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Speaker 1: the series. Jake Crowder shot oh for seven from three,

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Speaker 1: He was two for his first twenty and Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: three games of the series, and again, like you'd think,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Lakers can withstand Anthony Davis get going leaving

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Speaker 1: the game by the way, he left six minutes into

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Speaker 1: Game six and it was blowout city Jay Crowder Game

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Speaker 1: four three of eight from three, Game five, three of nine,

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Speaker 1: Game six, six for nine from three. This is the

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Speaker 1: craziest stat. We talked about role players deciding things, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what the stars are gonna do, They're gonna deliver.

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Speaker 1: And I think I've gone like the first six minutes

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Speaker 1: of this podcast without mentioning Lebron. But Jake Crowder made

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Speaker 1: six threes in game six. That's more than Kyle Kuzma

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Speaker 1: I had to get that in there. And I like

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Speaker 1: Kuzman too. I didn't buy no Kuzlan jersey or no paraphernalia.

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Speaker 1: I thought he would get shipped. Kuzma four for twenty

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Speaker 1: will go over it and be like, my guys, Kuzma

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Speaker 1: like the worst shot in the NBA that you can take,

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Speaker 1: and he missed it. And that was one of That

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Speaker 1: the hell are you doing? Um? Okay, Rob, I want

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Speaker 1: your quick thoughts. I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: way leb On, by the way, and seven the twenty

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Speaker 1: good night in gambling for me. But we're moving on. Um,

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Speaker 1: before we get to Lebron robbed any non Lebron thoughts

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Speaker 1: and no no trade talk. We're saving that for like

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Speaker 1: three minutes from now on the game Game seven, Just

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Speaker 1: they didn't come out with much fire. As a Laker fan,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know Lebron had said before the game

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Speaker 1: as soon as he got out there, they should have

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Speaker 1: the reason that that they lost, because you know, Devin

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Speaker 1: and it's just a groin. You've got to give it

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Speaker 1: You could tell watching him that he couldn't move. Even

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Speaker 1: you protect your investment that you just signed to a

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Speaker 1: one million dollars and you're there for Lebron. Lebron brought

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Speaker 1: him falling asleep during games. I get it. That being said,

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Speaker 1: closed Davis, that's gonna get in your head. These guys

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Speaker 1: clowning somebody. Kwame Brown builds it up out for twenty

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Speaker 1: you know that. Okay, I'm in the media. I don't

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Speaker 1: mind admitting this. I have some rabbit ears. Now. I'm

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Speaker 1: not searching my name on Twitter. Uh. I know some

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Speaker 1: other people who do that, some weirdos that I've worked with.

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Speaker 1: I will not buy into Anthony Davis. The trainer should

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Speaker 1: be fired, none of that. No, he gave it a go.

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Speaker 1: mean other than that, you know, tap your cap to

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Speaker 1: They got Moe Wagner, who I like. Denny Ajau, the

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Speaker 1: rookie was lost for the seasons. Like, they have some

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Speaker 1: young talent. And again Horton Tucker kus Intruder is not

423
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Speaker 1: quite a poopoo platter. We've seen what Kuzma can do

424
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: on an inferior team. We saw that his first year

425
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: didn't the average a teena game, cuz will look like, man,

426
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: this guy could one day be an All Star. But

427
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't quite fit with the Brown He just doesn't.

428
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Speaker 1: It doesn't doesn't seem to work. He was supposed to

429
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Speaker 1: be that energy guy off the bench. Sixth man Jordan

430
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: Clarkson get me buckets and he just really didn't make

431
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: it happen. Now, Horton Tucker is the guy. I don't

432
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Speaker 1: want to part with him if I'm the Lakers. But

433
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Speaker 1: if I can get Beal and I get a d

434
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: Beal and Lebron, I feel like I've got a squad. Um. Yeah,

435
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Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Now again, Dennis Shrewder was

436
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: the third best guy in the Lakers. He might be

437
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Speaker 1: the best player on the Wizards next year. I don't

438
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: know what Russell Westbrook's gonna be. Well, Dennis Shrewder, I

439
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this on Thursday to bio

440
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Speaker 1: and then he added it in later, so I think

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Speaker 1: that safe he did add it in. Okay, he must

442
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Speaker 1: have saw my I g He's either planning his way

443
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: out of town or he is playing some really strong

444
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: hardball to get the hundred million dollar contract. Um. All right,

445
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: before we get to Damon Jones, any final thoughts as

446
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: we put a bow on a Lakers season, they go

447
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: from champs to Lebron suffering his first first round loss.

448
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: First of all, do you think Rob that this has

449
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: any impact on Lebron's legacy? Okay, god be established. Next

450
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: next question, Can the Lakers swing a deal for a

451
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: third star? Uh, you'd have to be very liberal on

452
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Speaker 1: what your term for star is. Like, could they get

453
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Speaker 1: a double sign and trade for Kyle Lowry? That's probably

454
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Speaker 1: more realistic. Oh, get the funk. I'm just saying like,

455
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Speaker 1: that's where I mean, that's where you'd have to to

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Speaker 1: base it on. Could could they get a guy like

457
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, to Marta Rosen to take a hometown discount?

458
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: And just gosh, he doesn't shoot threes? Did you see

459
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: what the Sons did defensively? Did you see that the

460
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: Lakers can't shoot threes? Anyways? So what does it matter? Well,

461
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: Bradley Beale could three. That's why, by the way, thirty

462
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: five years old, great bulldog, but he wouldn't have managed

463
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Speaker 1: made a hell of beans of a difference here. Well,

464
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: he all just a guy. They probably would not have

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs because he was out for like two

466
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Speaker 1: weeks right after the trade deadline, So when Lebron were out,

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Speaker 1: he would have been out to um Kyle Lowry. This

468
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: year's from three the year before, thirty five, thirty four,

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Speaker 1: thirty eight. Yeah, he's just a mean, he's like a

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Speaker 1: Lebron three point shooters first career. It's like Lebron's like

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Speaker 1: thirty four. Kyle Lowry does not excite me. Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's realistic. They'll be able to

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Speaker 1: get a you know, a real star. They might they

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Speaker 1: be they'll be able to upgrade their roster, I think,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think they'll be able to get a

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Speaker 1: real star. UM. Bradley Beal would be option number one. Um.

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Speaker 1: Can we quickly touch on Dame Lillard before we go? Dame?

478
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Speaker 1: What give me the exact Dame Lillard comment? Oh man,

479
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: making me work right now, right after upset about the

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Speaker 1: Laker game, and I know I do real stuff. Well,

481
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: Dame Lillard, as you know, his team lost again in

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Speaker 1: the postseason, this time to a Denver Nuggets squad that

483
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Speaker 1: was out with without Jamal Murray. And so obviously, you

484
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Speaker 1: know after the game, everybody's asking them, Hey, so what

485
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Speaker 1: does this mean for your future? You know, do you

486
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Speaker 1: think that there's anything going on? He may make some

487
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: moves and the money quote that came out, let me

488
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: read it to you. We came up short against the

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Speaker 1: team without their starting point guard and shooting guard. So

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00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: obviously where we are isn't good enough to win a

491
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Speaker 1: championship if that's not good enough to get out of

492
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Speaker 1: a first round series with two of their best three

493
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Speaker 1: or four players not on the floor. Okay, first of all, uh,

494
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Speaker 1: what do you be starting point? Who's your starting point guard?

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00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: Will Barton? Well, they starting pocaust Jamal Murray. I thought

496
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Speaker 1: he was a two. He's like combo. He plays their point.

497
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: I think he plays their point. But either way, we

498
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Speaker 1: know that they're down like to the fourth string guards.

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Speaker 1: So but dude, they're missing Will Barton. Okay, Lakers were

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Speaker 1: missing k CP for a game. Alex Caruso, Uh, you

501
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: know whatever. Will Barton? Nice player, good role player. I

502
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: don't think he's the top three player on the team.

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00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: That team is Jamal Murray, Yokich, Gordon, and Porter and

504
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: they had three of the four and Monte Moris played

505
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: out of his mind. Damian Lillard has reason to be

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Speaker 1: piste off firing the which is gonna do nothing. I

507
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: don't know what you get for c J McCollum. Where

508
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: this gets interesting, Rob is if Kauai and the Clippers

509
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Speaker 1: loose tonight, then oh boy, oh all bets are office

510
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: to what the hell happens? So that's the perfect segue

511
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: because Tyler with the Clippers has a big game tonight

512
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: to kind of make sense of what Tyler is, what

513
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: the Clippers could be, what they are. Who the best

514
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: player in the Maths Clippers series is. It feels like

515
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 1: an obvious one, but maybe Damon Jes disagrees. Let's get

516
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Speaker 1: to Damon Jones. Jason likes to think he knows everything

517
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to sports. I know what sports dance want,

518
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: but for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does.

519
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a

520
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: guy who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome into

521
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: straight fire a guy he you know, he's come after

522
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Speaker 1: me on Twitter a little bit lately, but I can

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Speaker 1: tell that, you know, he's just as he's an intelligent guy,

524
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: and um, he knows a lot about basketball, spent what

525
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: about a decade in the league, played for a bunch

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Speaker 1: of teams with Lebron against Lebron. Damon Jones in the house, Damon,

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00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: how are you man? I'm doing good, Jason, and and uh,

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00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a friendly back and forth that

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00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: we have on Twitter's nothing personal. Nothing personal, ladies and gentlemen.

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00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: Nothing personally. Yeah, you know, it's funny because some people

531
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: take it personally. And I I liked I like the conversation.

532
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: I like the exchange of ideas and disagreement. And you know,

533
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: we'll eventually get to the Clippers uh and Mavericks, but

534
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to start with you know, you

535
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time playing with Lebron James. Actually,

536
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: you were on those Calves teams that faced Deshaun Stevenson

537
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: uh and what Brenda, Brendan Haywood and um in Washington.

538
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: And I gotta say that was when I first saw

539
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: Lebron as Oh my gosh, this guy is gonna wreck

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00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: the league. And I'm just curious take us back in

541
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Speaker 1: time to those Calves teams. You had already been in

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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: the league for a while. Um, I think you just

543
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: missed the Jordan era in terms of playing with her

544
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: against him. Maybe he was in Washington, but nobody wants

545
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: to count that. UM. I'm just curious your thoughts on

546
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: going back to those what's the most popular question you

547
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: get asked about playing with Lebron? Uh? What is it like?

548
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: And and and those days those days were very, um,

549
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: very tough. Years because he was just you know, coming

550
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: to his own he had a couple of coaches by then.

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Speaker 1: By the time I got there, I came at the

552
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: same time Mike Brown did, and you know, he was

553
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: a gifted offensive player. Uh could get people involved. Uh

554
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: magic John Johnson asking when Mike Brown came. Uh, Lebron

555
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: started to play defense, and Mike Brown made it a

556
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: point to try to develop him into a two way player.

557
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: So from from that point on on, he's skyrocketed to

558
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: the top of the league really fast. And you know,

559
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: without him, you know, the success that we had in

560
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: Cleveland in the early years, and we wouldn't have. Yeah,

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00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: you were on the court when Lebron dropped I think

562
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: forty eight points on the Pistons in the overtime game.

563
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: That to me, you know, he was only twenty two

564
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: years old, and you know that you guys had a

565
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: you guys solid team in the East. But I don't

566
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: think anyone legitimately thought, holy cow, they're ready to go

567
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: to the finals. Um, that was like a different NBA. Damon.

568
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: If you look at the box scores from that series,

569
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: was like Game one seventy nine to seven six. You know,

570
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: like what you know, that that's like a third quarter score. Now,

571
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: Um that that series Lebron was phenomenal. What do you

572
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: remember about going against those Pistons they had won the

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Speaker 1: title a couple of years prior. Well, I mean that

574
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: Pistons team. We knew if we were going to get

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Speaker 1: out of the East, we were going to have to

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00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: see them at some point um in the playoffs. And

577
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: you know that it was so tough, you know, led

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00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: by Chauncey Billups, and you had Richard Hamilton's and uh

579
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: rip Hamilton's. You had Ben Wallace, who's going into the

580
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I'm so very proud of him, play

581
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: with him as well. But man, it was it was knockout, dragouts,

582
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: and we had the best player in the series. And

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00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: that's why I've come up with this thing that when

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Speaker 1: you have the best player in the series, more times

585
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: than not, you're gonna win, you know. So it was

586
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: it was extremely fun. You know in that game that

587
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: he dropped forty five I think straight points. I was

588
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: sitting in the corner and I should have had popcorn

589
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: and a drink just watching. I mean, because I knew,

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00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: I knew at that point in time it wasn't passing

591
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: the ball because he was in such a great rhythm.

592
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: But it was fun to be a part of those teams. Uh.

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00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: And and I think that's where my relationship with Lebron

594
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: group to where it is now. You know, you say

595
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: best player on the court, and you know, I want

596
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: to ask what best player on the court and the

597
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: Clippers mav series is. Who will get to that and say,

598
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to quickly ask you about that

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00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: Washington Wizards, uh Calves series. There was a video spliced together.

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Speaker 1: You know, jay Z made a rap song uh off

601
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: a two short hook. Uh. First of all, have you

602
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: seen that video, because I watched it. It's a great

603
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: pump up video before I played basketball. Uh. You know

604
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: when you look at all the physicalness in that in

605
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: that series, and of course, you know jay Z just

606
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: destroyed Sean Stevenson with the rap song. But you know,

607
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: does that kind of thing even bother Lebron because it

608
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't he from my perspective, you know, outside that there

609
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: was really nothing anybody could do to slow this guy down. Nothing,

610
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: and they tried everything they could from knocking him down,

611
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: hitting him over the head or whatever, making comments in

612
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: the media and you know, none of it worked. But

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00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: the song that jay Z put together and we played

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00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: it actually in Washington in a nightclub before before a game,

615
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: and Karen Butler and a couple of other players were

616
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: in there and they took a fence to it. So

617
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: um that that made that riery a little bit more

618
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: intense because of that. So de Seauan Stevenson then brought

619
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: his friends Soldier Boy into it. It just became a

620
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: big circus. But at the end of the day, though

621
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Speaker 1: that that Washington team was very good team, and we

622
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, we had some guys that you know, made plays.

623
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: Larry Hughes played big for us in that series as

624
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: the juniorsy of gals because he was good. But you know,

625
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, Lebron carried us,

626
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: um took us past all those series. We I mean,

627
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: we never lost a series to those guys, and then

628
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, finally getting us to the finals in two

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Speaker 1: thousand seven. Was there a bad boys element to the

630
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: effort to take down Lebron? Because everybody says, oh, the

631
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: bad boy Pistons rough the Jordans, that's why he kept

632
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: losing series to them. Um, people have tried to rough

633
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: up Lebron for years now. But the problem is he's

634
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: what six eight to sixty and you can't mess with that.

635
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: Like Michael Jordan's as great as he was, the guy

636
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: was like what to fifteen. He even said in the

637
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: last dance he had to go in the off season

638
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: and get stronger to battle the bad boys. Like Lebron

639
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: doesn't have to get stronger for anybody. No. I mean,

640
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: it's too big, too fast, too strong, and you know,

641
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: you try to put smaller guys on him that are

642
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: athletic and you know, supposed to be defenders, he's too

643
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: big for them. Then you try to put power forwards

644
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: on him. He's too fast for them. So all that

645
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: being spent, let's sit said, Let's spin it forward to

646
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: Clippers maths and you know, damon, everybody watched Luka don

647
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: chech uh. You know on Wednesday night just put on

648
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: a clinic. I thought he was the best player on

649
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: the floor last year against and now he's his numbers

650
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: are ridiculous eight. You know, I'll ask you, pointed lely Dame,

651
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: who is the best player on the court in this series?

652
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard Okay, yeah, Kawhi Lening I mean, you know

653
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, he does everything for this team.

654
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: He's two way player. He scores the basketball when when

655
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: he wants, Uh, he's able to get other guys involved. Uh,

656
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: and he sets the tone for the basketball team. Yes,

657
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: Paul George UH is playing very well, um, very well

658
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: this this series so far. And but at the end

659
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: of the day, we're gonna hang outur hat, you know,

660
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: with you know what Kawuhi Leonard is gonna bring night

661
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: in the night out. Now, don't don't get me wrong,

662
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm not taking anything away from Luca. I'm not, okay,

663
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: but you know, I have a big problem with usage

664
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: break okay, right, and when your usage rate as high

665
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: high as his is, you know, of course you're gonna

666
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: it up gaudy numbers, you know. But I respect his game.

667
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a superstar in the making. But in

668
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: this series, Kawai Island is the best player on the court.

669
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you you know, obviously, Kauai a

670
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: very good defender. UH. That's part of the reason Luca

671
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: not a great defender at all. You U should right,

672
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: by the way, Uh, Kawhi Leonard is tops um for

673
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: the Clippers. Followed by Paul George and then a little

674
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: surprised Reggie Jackson. Um, Luca don is significantly ahead of them,

675
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: He's at Kauai point five. But that being said, Luca

676
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: is clearly a better playmaker than than than Kawhi Leonard. Right,

677
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: there's no disagreement there. I mean, I mean but that.

678
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: But it goes back to usage, right again, Jason, When

679
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: when you are controlling the ball eighteen nineteen seconds out

680
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: of twenty four and you get into situations where you

681
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: have to give the ball up, the person that you're

682
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: passing the ball too has one shorts and that's to

683
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: shoot the basketball. So you know he's creating, he's creating

684
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: offense like that. Um, you know he's a matchup problem

685
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: for bigger guys. Uh. That's that's why I think what

686
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Ty did in Game three, going small, uh and bringing

687
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: Zoo Box off the bench, putting another athletic player on

688
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: Luca when they run picking rolls. Uh, it's been a

689
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: good thing. Last night. Uh, they started Boban and played

690
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: a lot of zone, and the Clippers, um, I wasn't

691
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: able to make the three at the consistency that they've

692
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: done all years. So that's why they found itself um

693
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: now in a three to hole. So looking at the

694
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: usage rate leaders, Lucas number one in the season, Steph

695
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: Curry was to Bradley Bill three, uh, Donovan Mitchell four,

696
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: Trey Young five. It's I'm a little surprised to not

697
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: see Lebron in there, but I guess it's because he

698
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: missed so many games with the injury. Nicola Yok is

699
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: there in the top twenty, Kyrie Tatum um so you

700
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: know some of he's got to create right and have

701
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. Usually it's a point guard,

702
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: but the NBA has kind of changed, and Luca is

703
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: what a six eight point guard who you know, he

704
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: can basically do everything. Like if I'm starting a team

705
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: Damon in the NBA right now, like who am I picking?

706
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: And you know I outlined it, like, yeah, Lebron would

707
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: have been the answer for most of the last fifteen

708
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: years because he makes everyone better. When I look around

709
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: the league now, I don't know that anybody makes everyone

710
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: better more than Luca done. Like James Harden was probably

711
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, right there with Lebron in the last couple

712
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: of years because of his high usage rap but he's

713
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: in a different spot. Now, when you talk about making

714
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: everyone better on offense, is there anyone better than Luca

715
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: don Je taking Lebron out of that well, I mean,

716
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: he could be in it, but he is thirty six,

717
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't think. I don't know if

718
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing like a forty two, fourteen and

719
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: eight game at this age, you know, a couple of

720
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: years ago short, but the injuries and the miles, you

721
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: know lucas a good player. I'm not I'm I'm you know,

722
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he is. And I just think I

723
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: would take somebody. I would take James Harden if if

724
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: I had to start a team and I was looking

725
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: for someone that can facilitate also score the basketball, Uh,

726
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: get to the free throw line and do a little

727
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: something on the other end of the floor. I mean,

728
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: you know you can score, you can scare all the

729
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: points you want. But you know, right now, Luca Duncan's

730
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: is he's Garden Morris senior. He's not even guarding his

731
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: position like I mean. And you know, for me playing

732
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: in the era that I played in, um, you know

733
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: you had to guard your own position, whether you know

734
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: you are outmastered or not. That's just what it was. Yeah,

735
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people like to knock Steph Curry. Well

736
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't even guard the the best guard. You know,

737
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: they try to hide him on a week. Well, yeah,

738
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: he's good because he's got to do so much offensively.

739
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want him running through a gauntlet

740
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: of picks. But at the same time, yes, like Curry

741
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: led the league and steals one year, but you know,

742
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: is he is he an incredible defender? No, I think

743
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: he would probably admit that Fox Sports Radio has the

744
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,880
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746
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747
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: listen live. So yeah, damon adjustments that Tylu can make.

748
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: And I know you guys are friends and you don't

749
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: want to give away everything. I want to ask about

750
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: the friendship next. But I'm of the belief that you

751
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: don't want to get beat by their best player. And

752
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: we know Luca don Che is a solo act for them.

753
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, Porzingis don't want it. He's always hurt Hardaways

754
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: had a ridiculous couple of games and then in Game

755
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: four came back to reality. If I'm if I'm the Clippers,

756
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy. I just hard trapped the same way

757
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: the Lakers hard trapped Damon Lillard and said anybody else

758
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: can beat us. Nobody could last year. I will dare

759
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: Dallas to make clutch shots to extinguish me. Is that

760
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: something you think will see more of in Game six?

761
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think. Uh. You know, the

762
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: Clippers have long, athletic guys that are good on the

763
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: defensive end, and the game plan that that Tyler went

764
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: to in Game three and going small, and you know

765
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: the picking roles. He's switching and picking rolls. So you

766
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: might start with Paul George on him. Uh, they said

767
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: picking roll you end up with Kawhi Leonard on you. Uh.

768
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: Same thing with Nick Batune. Uh. Mars Senior played very

769
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: good defense on him last night down the stretch in

770
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: the game. So that's the best playing. You know, when

771
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: you have great players that you're playing against, you know,

772
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: sometimes you just don't have a choice. You want to

773
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: take the bast to take the ball out of their hands,

774
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: but that should be your last resort because the everybody

775
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: in the NBA for a reason, Okay, and at any

776
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: point in time, someone can get hot. And that's what

777
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: happened in the first two games in Dallas. Those guys,

778
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: the role players couldn't miss, and because they couldn't miss,

779
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: it made dontche it's more dangerous with what he was

780
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: doing in the pick and roll and in every other

781
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: facet of his game. Did it feel to you it

782
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: felt like this to me? He took thirty seven shots

783
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: in game five. Did it feel a little to you

784
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: like after Game four he didn't trust his guys as much,

785
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: and he said, you know what, I ain't going down

786
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I'm not going down with Maxi

787
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: Kleiber missing an important shot in Phinney Smith and he

788
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: just said, I mean he took thirty seven shots to

789
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: get forty two points. Yeah, I think that. Uh, what

790
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: what he did was, you know, took things in his hands,

791
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: meaning not necessarily not trusting the other guys. But I

792
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: just think he was more aggressive to look for his shot.

793
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you know stars do that, and you know,

794
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, he's a star in this league

795
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: and he's he's gonna be good for a lot of

796
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: years going forward. And last night he just said, I'm

797
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: gonna be aggressive and if we lose with me being aggressive,

798
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: so b it. Uh, Well, we'll get ready for Game six.

799
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: But you know he started out so good, and you

800
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: know he had a couple of guys come along the

801
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: way with him. Tim Hardaway again makes a big shot

802
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: when the Clippers are down for getting back in the game.

803
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: He makes a desperation three point shot to put him

804
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: back up seven. Um. And you know the Clippers didn't

805
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: help themselves. They had a lot of turnovers and again

806
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, Rick Carlisle went to zone and usually, you know,

807
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: those guys are able to make those shots from three

808
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: point range, but consistently last night they weren't able to

809
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: do it. Um. So get into your relationship with Tyler.

810
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: Can you guys talk about how you met when you

811
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: started to become buddies. Um. Obviously you're you're vociferously defending

812
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: him on on social media as as I would do

813
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: for Anny front Listen, I do. I've worked with Karen

814
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Butler at f S one, I work with Dante Jones.

815
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: I like these guys a lot, and they know a

816
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: lot about basketball. When I'm in the room with them,

817
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm just asking questions and trying to be a sponge

818
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: and learn as much as I can. UM, talk about

819
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: your relationship with Tyler Man. We've been together twenty years. Um,

820
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: you know me, him, Chauncey Billups, Uh, Dante Jones, Kevin Garnett.

821
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, we've been training and working

822
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: out together, you know, since we came together, and the

823
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: relationship is just built from there. And and one thing

824
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: that you know I love about Tie is that he's

825
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: a very loyal person, right and you know, when I

826
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: first started coaching, he gave me, uh, my first opportunity

827
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: to you know, be a part of the staff. And

828
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: watching him on a daily basis, you always as a

829
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: player want to coach like Ty because he's honest with you. Uh,

830
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna tell you how it is, and he's gonna

831
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: always put you into positions to be successful. So I've seen,

832
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, everything, And that's why I'm so animated when,

833
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, when I talk about him and his coaching,

834
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: because I don't think that he gets the recognition that

835
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: he deserves. And I understand. You know, Lebron is a

836
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: great player, and uh, you know when when you have

837
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: him on your team, the you're gonna win, and you're

838
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: gonna win at a high level, and I understand that,

839
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Speaker 1: but I think that some things that he did, uh

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00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: while coaching the Calves, going to the finals three straight years,

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Speaker 1: winning the championship in sixteen after being down three one

842
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: to the best regular season team in NBA history, I

843
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think he gets enough credit for that. Well,

844
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: so I guess my side of it would be like

845
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: as an outsider who I don't know, tyler Um, Like, okay,

846
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: he had Lebron, best player, I say, in in the

847
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: history of the league. I think by the time Lebron

848
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: has all said done, everyone will agree with that. And

849
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: now he's got Kawhi Leonard Um and it's like, well, geez,

850
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonards an incredible player. He's won a couple of

851
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: a couple of titles, uh one, a couple of finals MVPs.

852
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Like a guy like Frank Vogel is interesting to me

853
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: because he was really good at his first stop and

854
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: then in Orlando it was like, I couldn't get over

855
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: the top. But you know how this works, like you

856
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: you said it at the outset, you can't win without superstars,

857
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: and look at his rosters in Orlando. He couldn't do anything.

858
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: Now he gets l A. He's got Lebron and a

859
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: d and they win a chip. So can you see

860
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: how it's difficult for people to, you know, critically assess

861
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: these coaches when if you don't have a star, you're

862
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: really not gonna win. If you have a star, you're

863
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: gonna win. Well, I'm just I'm gonna say this, And

864
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned mentioned this on Twitter when when

865
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: we had our peaceful back and forth. Uh is that

866
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: we we in the media, Because I did do media

867
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: with ESPN for for a couple of years, we described

868
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr as one of the best coaches the NBA

869
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: has ever seen, right, And he had pretty much the

870
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: same team that Mark Jackson had when he came in,

871
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: and he took that team to become a dynasty. Okay,

872
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: and they beat us the first year in fifteen, we

873
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: beat them. In sixteen, they get Kevin Durant, they win

874
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: a couple of more titles, Kevin Durant leaves, and then

875
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: that that organization and that team takes a drastic hit

876
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: with the injury to Klay Thompson and they had the

877
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: worst record in the league. But nobody, but nobody discredits

878
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr for what he did with the players that

879
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: he had when the talent was not there. You know,

880
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: it's hard to win games. But that doesn't make him

881
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: not a good coach. And that's all. That's the only

882
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: thing I was trying to explain. Yes, you have the

883
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: best player in the world in in Lebron James, but

884
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr had Steph Curry, Played Thompson, Draymond Green, and

885
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, and they wanted when Kevin Durant went away

886
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: play Thompson got hurt. You had Steph and Draymond and

887
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: you know some some other you know, guys that you

888
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: know are not looked upon as you know, superstars or whatever.

889
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: And they were the worst team in the Elite. But

890
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: in all circles we're gonna say Steve Kerr is still

891
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: a good coach. Yeah, I would say, I know, I

892
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: know where you're coming from on that. Um if this

893
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: is a difficult discussion a half, I mean really around

894
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: the lea like Doc Rivers, Like what do you do

895
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: with Doc Rivers, Damon, because this guy cannot win in Boston.

896
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, he gets Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen

897
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: Boom title Boom in the finals and then you know,

898
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: goes to the Clippers with Chris Paul and Blake Griffin

899
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: and the injuries happened, YadA, YadA, YadA, blow a three

900
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: one lead and now and then he blows the three

901
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: one lead with Kawai and Paul George. Like, it's very

902
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: difficult to critically analyze these coaches because Doc Rivers had stars.

903
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: He only went to the conference finals three times. Brad

904
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: Stevens in Boston never had a first team All NBA guy.

905
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: I loved Tatum Um. Brad Stevens pretty much made Isaiah

906
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: Thomas a superstar at the NBA for a minute. And

907
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: now people are like, well, Brad Stevens garbage. He didn't

908
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: win a title. And the one year they got Gordon

909
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: Hayward in free agency, they were favored to win the East.

910
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: And he gets hurt in the first quarter of the

911
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: first game and he's done. Like, I don't know, Damon

912
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: or you, I don't know, do you have a future

913
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: in coaching? How do you assess like, I'm not taking

914
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: that job because guess what, I'm not winning. There's no

915
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: chance to win with that roster. Is that something you

916
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: think these guys consider? Well, I mean, you know, it's

917
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: only thirty jobs Jason head coaching jobs. And you know,

918
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: if you inspire to be a head coach, sometimes you

919
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: just have to take what you've given. And and of course, uh,

920
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: for example, Stephen Silas, you think he would have took

921
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: that job if he knew he had the roster that

922
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: he ended up with. I don't know, probably not. I

923
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: think he probably would have stayed in Dallas and and

924
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: waited for another opportunity. But you know, he saw James

925
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: Harden there, he saw Russell Westbrook there, and and you know,

926
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: wasn't his fault that those both guys wanted out. So

927
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: now he's in a city situation. He's in a rebuilding,

928
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: he's in a rebuilding process. You know how long is

929
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: that gonna take? And you know that's just how it goes. Man.

930
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: The business is a tough business to crack into. Uh.

931
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: That's why you know, I have so much appreciation for

932
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: Tyler for taking a chance with me to make me

933
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: assistant on his on his staff. And you know it's hard.

934
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: You know, I took the year off this year for

935
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: some personal reasons, but uh, you know, I would like

936
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: to get back in, but I mean, there's no guarantees.

937
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: There's no guarantees. So I just say that, you know, man,

938
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: coaching is tough. You know, you have to have, you know,

939
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: great players. You have to have players that are gonna

940
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: buy into your system, and you have to have luck.

941
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: And this year, you know, some teams didn't have the

942
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: luck that they wish they would have because of injury, uh,

943
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: COVID uh and and a lot of the circumstances. So uh,

944
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned ker, I will ask about the Lloyd Pierce

945
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: situation in Atlanta. Um, Lloyd Pierce, you know, gets this

946
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: awesome roster and then everybody's hurt and they stink, and

947
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: then everybody get they fire him, everybody gets healthy and

948
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: now Native Genius and it's like, I mean, this is

949
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: a weird game. Damon like people. And that's a problem

950
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: social media. It's tough to add nuance to some of

951
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: these conversations. I'll get you out of here on this.

952
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: I need a pick on nets Bucks, which kind of

953
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, it may end up feeling like the Championship.

954
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: We don't know the status of embien um nets Bucks

955
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: feels like an amazing series. Who who do you kind

956
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: of like their oh man, oh Jason, I mean on paper,

957
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: on paper, I have to say Brooklyn. But with the

958
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: additions that you know Walkee made with getting Drew Holiday,

959
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: uh Cords and my guy from Houston, uh p J. Tucker.

960
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be tough. I mean the loss

961
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: to Divin Cenzo is gonna be big. You have to

962
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: watch out for that because he's another guy on the

963
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: perimeter that could you know, they could throw at Kyrie

964
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: or James Harden as far as defensively, he's an athletic

965
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: enough and and he's a great um. He's a good

966
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: perimeter defender. So I'm gonna go Brooklyn just because you know,

967
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: you got ship. I don't know, three best three players

968
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: in the series on one team, you know, and not

969
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: taking anything away from be honest, but he's gonna have

970
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: to be special. Yeah, we've seen him kind of not

971
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: be special in the playoffs before. All right, Damon Jones, Hey,

972
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for coming on. Listen. I've got a

973
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: lot of guys like Perkins. By the way, he's ducking

974
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: me not returning my text. Uh, he don't want it.

975
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: I like these discussions. I learned a lot from you,

976
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, listen, I'm not gonna be beating

977
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: up Tyler, although I'll say this if he does lose

978
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: the series that uh dam it's gonna it's gonna be

979
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: a tough one. They were significant favorites against the Mavericks. Um,

980
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: you know it'll be tough. But enjoy the game and

981
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. Damon man, thanks for having

982
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: me on. I'm available anytime you need