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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: Luke. We're live, Luke, We're live here, it's a live show.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Jesus's great first show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, sorry, I thought we were counting down to the advertisement.

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything, and that's my fault. I apologize

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Speaker 2: as I say here in mouth breathing. Hi everyone, it

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Speaker 2: is August thirty. First, it is Monday, it is twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and it is time for Morning Combat. That's hilarious. My

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Speaker 2: name is Luke Thomas. Hey there, slap slap. The gentleman

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Speaker 2: on the other side of the screen, you know him

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Speaker 2: from CBS Sports, my cohort, my friend Mayamigo, the conspiracy

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Speaker 2: to my theory, it's Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, how are

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Speaker 2: you fired up?

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Speaker 1: Luke? In a lot of ways, you know, it feels

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Speaker 1: like a new dawn is upon us. The kids are

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Speaker 1: back in school today and you are a full fledged

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Speaker 1: member of the ViacomCBS Network. Welcome and for you and me, Luke. Right,

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Speaker 1: we've had a wild run, but it was a lot

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Speaker 1: like dating. Now we're gonna move in together, all right?

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Speaker 1: We can do this every weekend, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Have my people call your people. So I'm interested to,

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Speaker 2: Who's taking out the trash, who's doing the dishes? Which

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Speaker 1: I'll be the trash. But yeah, there's also a third

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Speaker 1: member of this marriage, Jay, Yeah. Yeah, speaking of Luke,

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Speaker 1: do you think Jay's trolling the people? A man that

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but everyone hates it because it sounds

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Speaker 2: his computer equipment. I don't know if that is transferable

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Speaker 2: great idea. So the less we hear of Jay, I'm

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Speaker 1: You know, no, it sounds good today, It sounds good today.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure of it. I'm positive. Yeah, many a time

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Speaker 2: we have heard that from Jay and it has not

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Speaker 2: been true. YESBC, today is my first day as a

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Speaker 2: another job to get to. However, I do have some

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Speaker 2: HR meetings after this. All good ones.

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Speaker 1: Yes, much harassment training coming your way.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe a little bit of that as well, But

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Speaker 2: I guess, is what I'm trying to say. And without

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Speaker 2: the weekend. So with my mouth breathing and inattentiveness to

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Speaker 1: Can we pub some things? Can we get people out

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Speaker 1: there on the YouTube's to check out for our interviews

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Speaker 1: This month is over today, So you meant September.

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Speaker 2: I think the part that you raised, which is did

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Speaker 1: Anthony Smith, we know this, Luke, Okay, we know.

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Speaker 2: So it's so funny you said I was high on

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Speaker 2: but to me, this was what was frustrating. Rackets won

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Speaker 2: me when he does the exact same thing against Smith, Yes,

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Speaker 2: the antsy a little bit. There wasn't hardly any guard passing.

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Speaker 2: Granted Smith is a black belt, Well we're talking about

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Speaker 2: probably not enough. There just wasn't the kind of signals

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Speaker 2: beat good guys. But the reason why the Uzdemir fight

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Speaker 2: There just wasn't enough stepping on it when you need

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Speaker 2: Now it brings us to Anthony Smith BC, which is

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Speaker 2: he was having all kinds of interesting comments afterwards, maybe

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Speaker 1: I think the best answer here to not sound too reactive,

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Speaker 2: Right well, I mean the question is what did I

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Speaker 2: He said, yeah, great, I had the teeth replaced, blah

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Speaker 2: I actually do not recommend a drop down to middleweight.

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Speaker 2: But middleweight has gotten young and interesting and difficult seemingly overnight,

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Speaker 2: advice is right on take a break, do not rush back, train,

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Speaker 2: work on your craft, everything else that you need to find.

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Speaker 2: Whatever positions in this fight you didn't think went your way,

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Speaker 2: the situation is there. He's not close to a title

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Speaker 1: Right mistake, Now I jump in, No, no can I

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Speaker 1: You don't have a job to get to you know

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Speaker 2: Stiff Jay is losing his shit behind the scenes here

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Speaker 2: Just so you know.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you a difficult question? And nobody likes

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Speaker 1: You know I'm not gonna sit here and say, you know,

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Speaker 1: title contender are Volcanos Damir and Alexander Gustinson. Trure or false?

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Speaker 1: If you're going to be hyper critical, it's not his fault.

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Speaker 1: But havn't those wins aged not so well? Based on

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Speaker 1: he may have intangibles of toughness that carried him up

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Speaker 2: He submitted him both from the back. That's not toughness BC.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I'm true. But I'm basically asking you.

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Speaker 2: I think certainly you could say certain resumes age better

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Speaker 2: and certainly Uzdamir has had his fair share of challenges

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Speaker 2: there's no denying that those are not They don't carry

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Speaker 2: at virtually in any way you want to slice it, Yes,

432
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Speaker 2: of course they are. The point about Smith was not

433
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Speaker 2: that he was the next coming of Christ. The point

434
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 2: is everyone said he was a terrible middleweight who went

435
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Speaker 2: up to light heavyweight and just got lucky. No, we didn't. No,

436
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Speaker 2: it's not true. He had those two wins over as

437
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Speaker 2: we mentioned Rashad and Shogun, and those are you know,

438
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 2: those are great to build your name and your visibility,

439
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 2: but they don't really tell us hardly anything. The other ones,

440
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: while they don't carry the same lasting significance, they absolutely

441
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 2: did tell us he belongs. And I think that's the

442
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Speaker 2: only thing I've been asking people to accept. He is

443
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Speaker 2: a very high.

444
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Speaker 1: Level though may have been. Those are not like fraudulent

445
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Speaker 1: Jim Luke, Okay, I got this. Those are not the

446
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 1: T shirts cut the right way.

447
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Speaker 2: Okay, those are not fraudulent wins that they don't mean

448
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 2: the same thing that we thought that they might have.

449
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 2: Certainly as an argument you could make, and I wouldn't

450
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Speaker 2: really dispute it too strongly that they are worthless or

451
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Speaker 2: that they really don't mean anything. In the end, is

452
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 2: total overreaction. This is what I mean, dude, there's this

453
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: constant desire to rob Smith of credibility, and I don't

454
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 2: really understand it. Look at the losses that he has

455
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Speaker 2: and use that. You don't need anything else to make

456
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Speaker 2: the argument. They're perfectly fine on their own and some

457
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: of his I think bad decision making and taking this

458
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: fight too early. Everything else, to me counts in his favor. Okay,

459
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Speaker 2: you're very very.

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Speaker 1: Fair response, Luke. I a difficult question, fair response. I'll

461
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Speaker 1: give you that, all right.

462
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 2: So with that in mind, BC, let's go to you

463
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Speaker 2: again on this one. I've got a lot of thoughts

464
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Speaker 2: on this, Neil Magne, what do you want to say?

465
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 2: Rag Dolls easily beats Robbie Lawler. I mean a lot

466
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 2: of different ways you could put this out here, but

467
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: he basically controls him for three full rounds and gets

468
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: the unanimous decision. Not BC. Let's start on the losing

469
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Speaker 2: side of the equation this time. Should Robbi Lawler retire?

470
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Speaker 1: Here's what's really difficult about this. And I got last

471
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: minute super excited about this fight. Why because I don't

472
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Speaker 1: care if he's old, young, or in between. You got

473
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Speaker 1: to ask yourself an honest question about Robbi Lawler. He

474
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Speaker 1: may not be your favorite fighter in the traditional mold

475
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: of that's my guy. I identify with him, I cheer him.

476
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Speaker 1: But the way I look at it as when it's

477
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, eleven thirty pm on a Thursday night and

478
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: your four beers deep and you're flipping around UFC fight pass,

479
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: who is the fighter that you go to more often

480
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Speaker 1: than not? For me, it's Robbie Lawler. He fricking entertains.

481
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: But there's different ways of knowing when a guy is washed.

482
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: We're just so trained to believe it's the Chuck Laedel way.

483
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: It's the old gunslinger going out there time after time

484
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: and just getting sent, you know, deep down to the

485
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: deep dark depths, and you're just like, the chin's not there,

486
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 1: he doesn't respond anymore. It's time to go. This was

487
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: similar to that, unfortunately, Luke, just not in the traditional

488
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Speaker 1: way that we view it. This was certainly a bad

489
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Speaker 1: style matchup for him, but this was just a guy

490
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 1: who couldn't pull the trigger, and that was tough to see.

491
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: You know, he wants to, you know, there was spurts

492
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Speaker 1: in round three where he did at least try but

493
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: overall it's just not the same guy anymore. So should

494
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Speaker 1: he go, He could go, and it would be fine

495
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: if he wants to linger, and if UFC can join

496
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: him in this brigade and give him not Diego Sanchez,

497
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: but Diego Sanchez type opponents, other older names who aren't

498
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna take him down necessarily. They're gonna stand and bang.

499
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: He could have a nice little victory lap in a tour,

500
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Speaker 1: probably win a couple, still make fun fights, but from

501
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: the standpoint of chasing a title, I think it is overlooke.

502
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: I just see a guy who's been through a million

503
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Speaker 1: wars and for whatever reason, however that computes inside of him.

504
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Speaker 1: I just didn't see a guy who could adjust to

505
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Speaker 1: what was happening. And you know, and maybe now you

506
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: go back and look at the Covington fight, did we

507
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: see some of that there as well? I see a

508
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: guy who looks a little bit more like Tryron Woodley

509
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: these days, unfortunately, where it's like I can see it,

510
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: I know it's in there, but he's lost the ability

511
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Speaker 1: to get it out.

512
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Speaker 2: I mean, how many fighters on the UFC roster can

513
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Speaker 2: claim that they have multiple pro fights documented that took

514
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: place prior to nine to eleven. I mean that Robbie

515
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: Lawler has three of them. I mean that's how long

516
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 2: he's been doing this. He's been doing this pre dating

517
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. It is a shocking duration for his career,

518
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: and to even be in the UFC at this point

519
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 2: is amazing in its own right. So first, I would

520
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: say the longevity I admire, but we are at the

521
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: other end of what it means to have that longevity,

522
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: the part where you begin to ask, right, but how

523
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: much longer? He's lost four of his last five. I

524
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Speaker 2: really believe this. I don't think either Carlos Condit or

525
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: Robbie Lawler were ever the same after that insane war

526
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: they had, and Lawler's had many wars certainly conduct to

527
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: an extent too, but that one was that was a

528
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 2: game changer. Both of their careers never recovered after that. Now,

529
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: Lawler did have a win over Seroni the askerin fight,

530
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: certainly not without its fair share of controversy, But the

531
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: only time he cleanly got his hand raised was that

532
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: Seroni fight. That is it. Everything else since then has

533
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: been a loss. And so you have to ask yourself

534
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: to what happened on that night and where are they today?

535
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: So should he retire? Well, I'll say this, if you're

536
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: not at least thinking about it, something is wrong. Now.

537
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say he should retire tomorrow. And that's

538
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: the end of it. Your point, I think is well taken,

539
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: which is is he a title contender anymore? No, He's

540
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: not not even close, and I don't think he's going

541
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: to be the Other part about it is what does

542
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: he look like relative to how he looked like at

543
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: his peak. Let's say, when he beat Josh Koshtek when

544
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: he came back to the UFC for his second stint

545
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: after Shrike Force, he looks like a far cry from that,

546
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: not even not even close, Which I don't say with

547
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: glee or you know, yay, I say it like ugh,

548
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's just it's it's the father time has

549
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: come for him. And I don't know if ultimately, but

550
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: certainly it is. He is making gains on him. He

551
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: is just not fighting the same way he did before.

552
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to seem to have the same zip

553
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: and pop, he doesn't pull the trigger as much. He's

554
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: just got a lot of characteristics that happen with fighters

555
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: who've been doing it as long as they have. So

556
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 2: what I'll say is he needs to figure out for

557
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: himself what are his goals at this stage in his career,

558
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 2: because if the goal is I want to win a title, well,

559
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: then he probably should retire. If the goal is I

560
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: want to finish out my contract, I want to get

561
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: a couple interesting more fights. I don't think he has

562
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: to retire if that is the place he's INBC, But

563
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: either way, one you've got to have a view towards

564
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: the door that has exit over the top of it.

565
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: And two, you need to take fights that are appropriate

566
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: with the stage of your career that you're in, which

567
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: are not top contenders, which are not guys who are

568
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: going to be on a title path some other version

569
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: of them, for his own health, for the sports sake,

570
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: and frankly as a favor to the contenders who want

571
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: to move on in different positions. So that's kind of

572
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: where I'm at on that. Do you think that's fair

573
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: at this point?

574
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Speaker 1: It's a function of his goals one hundred percent. Yeah,

575
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Speaker 1: And in knowing him, can't speak for him, but I've

576
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: interviewed him a bunch and I've always, you know, been

577
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Speaker 1: taking aback at how little he cares for the fanfare

578
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: side of the sport, you know, the money, the fame,

579
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. I mean, he's one of those old

580
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: school militant fighting systems guys from the beginning. At the core,

581
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: he's about fighting, he's about challenges. So it's gonna be

582
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: up to him to figure out that exact question that

583
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: you asked right there. I'd just like to see him

584
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: at the very least if you wanted to continue Luke.

585
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: I think he can still brawl. I think he could

586
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: still be a part of some fun fights. And I

587
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: don't think I'm seeing a guy where it's necessarily I

588
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: mean as a damaging for any anybody to take on

589
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: this type of damage. Yes, but I think he can.

590
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: He can still safely do that against the right kind

591
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: of talent. And look, we're gonna talk about this in

592
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: a second with Anderson Silva. But I just think that

593
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: UFC has never really had a firm handle, for the

594
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: most part, on how to book aging names who still

595
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: have life to them. You know, it's it's a constant.

596
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: Let's let's try to recycle them and feed them to

597
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: the younger guys so the younger guys can make names.

598
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: And I know that there's there's a reason for that

599
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: in some way, and that's how the business and the

600
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: food cycle works. Food chain. Excuse me, but at some time,

601
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, you got to match them in fights that

602
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: make sense. And maybe this is what UFC matchmakers needed

603
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: to see to realize everything you just said. And now

604
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: I think we all know it. Let's see if Robby

605
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: does too.

606
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing I said about this. You can look

607
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: at the story of MMA in the two thousands through

608
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: his career. As I mentioned, he has three fights at

609
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: Predight nine to eleven. He's got fights on King of

610
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: the Cage. He had fights in the early stage UFC,

611
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: like UFC thirty seven to I don't know, forty something

612
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 2: or so. He fought Evan Tanner. Then he fought in

613
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: super Bowl, which became Akon Sport, which was a big,

614
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: fairly international, regional level organization back then. He fought in

615
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: the Elite XC, he fought in IFL, he fought in Strikeforce.

616
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: Then back to UFC. You can look at what MMA

617
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: did in the twenty and twenty tens through Robbie Lawler's career.

618
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: It's an unbelievable run that he's had. But at this

619
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: point I think it's time to re evaluate what it

620
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: all might mean. Now, there is one thing we really

621
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: need to get to. I'll like to go first on

622
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: this one. BC and I mentioned I was going to

623
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: talk about this with Rakich as well as Magni. So

624
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: Neil Magni wins. I'm not going to take away the

625
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: validity of this win from him. Oh he went a

626
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: little bit too forward there, not talking about Canelo just yet.

627
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: Jay got a major p's and q's. Here's the point

628
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: I'd like to make about this, Neil Magni and what

629
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Rackete did is I'm not gonna say it's the future

630
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: of the UFC, but it's gonna be the future of

631
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: a lot of guys, which is it's something I've seen

632
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: in Leon Edwards too, where they get very very good

633
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: at control positions, whether that's pressing someone against the fence

634
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: on top in a clinch. They don't really have full

635
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: command of the deep levels of that position, nor are

636
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: they trying to. It's not the goal. But what they

637
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: can do is they can do enough ground and pound

638
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: or enough sort of against the fence kind of you know,

639
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: in the clinch, elbows whatnot, and what ends up happening

640
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: is they don't ever really become super dangerous as a

641
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: function of being a finisher, but they become very dangerous

642
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: as a round winner position controller. And it's not very

643
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: fun for the fans in many ways because you're not

644
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: really ever moving to mount or really you know, aggressively

645
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: holding the back with threatening with chokes for long periods.

646
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: You might get a little bit there, but not really.

647
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: I have noticed more and more and more fighters are

648
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: beginning to do this because if you think about it,

649
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: do I want to learn all the intricacies of mount

650
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: or do I want to learn it halfway and then

651
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: spend the rest of that time I could be spending

652
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: on that in other forms of control positions. And so

653
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: it's actually a very clever way to win fights, especially

654
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: if you have good cardio. But it's not very effective,

655
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: nor is it trying to be in terms of being

656
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: a finishing fighter. I think we need to begin to

657
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: realize some fighters are going to do this. It's a

658
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: perfectly irrational thing to do if you're physically strong and

659
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: you have good cardio, but it's bad as an entertainment aspect.

660
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I hate to use words like you know,

661
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: gatekeeper and things like that for a guy in Magnie

662
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: who's won a bunch of fights in a row and

663
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: has looked good overall. But he's fighting in a style

664
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: that's more of that, right, Like this fight was to

665
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: find out what Robby Lawler had left. We found out

666
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: because Neil Magni is a certain level good enough, like

667
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: when he rallied past Tony rock Olmartin. But I haven't

668
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: seen yet that extra added sprinkle on top and splash

669
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: that tells me a he's a title contender or be

670
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: I want him to be one.

671
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, he's there's no argument he's very good,

672
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: very good, Leon Edwards very good, rackets, very good. But

673
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: that idea that you're a threat as a finisher, you know,

674
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: again the man will win, notwithstanding there needs to be

675
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: more evidence for that, I think, and you're seeing this

676
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: intentional strategic posture that doesn't even look for it in

677
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: many cases. All right, with that in mind, BC, let's

678
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: go back to you here. Canelo typically fights on two

679
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: major dates a year. BC. One is Singo de Mayo,

680
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: which is, you know, not necessarily the most historic date

681
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: on the calendar. But he does fight on one other

682
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: date that is very historic, which is Mexican Independence Day,

683
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: which is in about two weeks, and he has no

684
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: opponent to my not has no intentions of fighting on

685
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: that date, even though he may had at some point. Dude,

686
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: what on earth is going on with Canelo and Golden

687
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: Boy and Dezone?

688
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: Not enough, not enough answers. We've been in this holding pattern,

689
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: seemingly the entire quarantine of we know Canelo is going

690
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: to come back this fall, but against two In the

691
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: conversation of the opponents, which started with WBA super middleweight

692
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: champion Callen Smith, who's unbeaten from England, he's exciting to

693
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: a certain degree, and Billy Joe Saunders, another title holder

694
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: at one sixty eight, who certainly can find an interesting

695
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: challenge in their style wise against Canelo. Then those names

696
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: went away and now they're back as the leading contenders.

697
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: And along the way we've seen some others of varying degree,

698
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: most of the kind of guys we don't want to

699
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: see Canelo against. This has been a massive fail from

700
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: my point of view. And look, there's already been a

701
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on the Zone overall, with a lot

702
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: of the rumors of their demise. Can they keep putting

703
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: on big fights under that Mott business model. Obviously the

704
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: quarantine came out a wrong time for everybody them as well,

705
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: but they're committed and they're on the books to paying

706
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: Canelo Avarez thirty five million per fight and paying Golden

707
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: Boy a reported forty million overall to put on the fight,

708
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: pick the opponent, all that stuff. Now it's just stretched

709
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: out to the level where there's no buzz at all

710
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: about the biggest star in the sport, arguably the sport's

711
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: most important fighter coming back. Both the Smith fight and

712
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: both the Saunders fight. Look, I can get excited about

713
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: either one from a boxing purist point of view, especially

714
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: if you did the right kind of media tours to

715
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: get Billy Joe's mouth out there to insult Canelo and

716
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: get the drum beating. But now we're talking about Canelo

717
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: coming back in November, and I just feel like nobody

718
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: cares Luke and that's a really rough spot to be in.

719
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Saunders and Smith aren't going to attract the casuals or

720
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: the part time boxing fans. Triple G would, And I

721
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: know that they probably would be fighting Triple G right

722
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: now if it wasn't for Ganati's weird decision that he

723
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: wants to do a mandatory first that he promised against

724
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: some guy we never heard of. All in all, though,

725
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: whether you want to put the blame on his own

726
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Golden Boy Canelo or all three, this is pretty much

727
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: a disaster because we've seen when boxing initially came back

728
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: from the quarantine and there just wasn't anything happening to

729
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: grab you. Now we're starting to see the pickup of

730
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: some good matchups. We had one over the weekend Showtime

731
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: Boxing kicking in, We got some pay per views coming,

732
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: Fox is back. We're getting a little bit of momentum.

733
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: You need that Canelo fight. There as to quote Scott Koger,

734
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: a play, you know, the tent pole, a placeholder of

735
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: this is the weekend I see him and for this

736
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: to come down on this spot. I'm not saying it's

737
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: easy for his own When you owe the guy thirty

738
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: five million finding the right opponent, that makes sense. But

739
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: at some point you got into the Canelo business to

740
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: sink or swim right. You paid all that money because

741
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: to make this happen, make it happen, you paid Ganadi

742
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: the money. Make it happen. I don't care who you

743
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: have to please or what you have to do to

744
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: his own launched on the idea of Anthony Joshua and

745
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: eventually getting us Canelo triple G three, just make it

746
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: happen already, because I'm at a point where I'm even

747
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: sick of hearing about it and going a whole year

748
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: with Canelo either not fighting or maybe coming back in

749
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: November for something that ends up feeling whole home not

750
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: a good look over all.

751
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: Luke. Yeah, I mean, I don't have much to add

752
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: except a couple of things here. I know that this

753
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: is a showtime product, so it's gonna be like, Oh,

754
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: these guys are just bashing to Zone to do that. Well,

755
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: let me say something. I'm a dizone customer. I've been

756
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: a Dizonne customer since the first day you could sign

757
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: up for it. I think their name is stupid, but

758
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: I like in theory what the product is supposed to

759
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: stand for. I did not cancel my subscription during the pandemic,

760
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: and I didn't log in one effing time. I think

761
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: the first time I logged in again was God, I'm

762
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: not even sure when it was, but it was relatively recently.

763
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: I just spent months not even using it. I did

764
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: not cancel my subscription because I think boxing is in

765
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: a better space when de Zone can succeed, and I

766
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: mean that truthfully. But here's the thing. They basically their

767
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: premise of launching relied on a few things, and I'm

768
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: not gonna get into all of it, but two of

769
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: them are really important. One was that pay per view

770
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: was dying, even in this pandemic where millions of Americans

771
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: are out of work. That is clearly not true. And

772
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: I thought there was a time where maybe we were

773
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: headed that way because the Zonne had come around, WWE

774
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: Network had essentially moved away from pay per view, UFC

775
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: was doing something kind of weird by going to ESPN Plus,

776
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: which was not traditional in that sense, but it's still

777
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: basically kind of pay per view. That if you had

778
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: cut out the middle man of the comcasts and the

779
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: verizons and everybody else, well, okay, I thought that was

780
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: something worth taking seriously. But they have not been able

781
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: to deliver on a consistent kind of product, even really

782
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: prior to the pandemic, to make us believe that that

783
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: was something that was really going they were gonna help

784
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: usher in. If anything, there are as many or more

785
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: boxing and UFC or MMA pay per views than frankly

786
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: there kind of ever have been. There's been no real

787
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: decline in that sense. That's the first thing i'd say.

788
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: The second thing I'd say is, dude, if the most

789
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: popular fighter in your sport can't get going on a

790
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: regular clip, and not every fight has to be exciting,

791
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: we can forgive BC and I think you would agree

792
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: the occasional Rocky Fielding matchup, nice guy overmatched, Okay, whatever,

793
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: you can let that one go on occasion. If the

794
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: other pieces of the puzzle are there, even when they

795
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: have a move up a bunch of weight classes, they

796
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: still make them sit behind the UFC fights, which people

797
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: then defended in real time. This like cuck move, where

798
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: you're allowing another product to run over yours, sort of

799
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 2: signaling the less importance of it, and then you can't

800
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: find a reasonable fight for him even when you sign

801
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: the fighters all together there in the same space. I mean,

802
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: you can make a million excuses about how boxing is

803
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: hard to get the fights done and it's expensive and

804
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of sort of middlemen with who

805
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: who impede progress, and I'm sympathetic to that, but at

806
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: some point this was the claim you were making. The

807
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: claim you were making was that you could get enough

808
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: of them in house, you could get enough of them

809
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: in rotation that you could put him out there long

810
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: enough that pay per view would go away. And none

811
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: of it has come true. I will not cancel my

812
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: designed subscription unless and until the Zone gets rid of

813
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: its combat sports profile, and I don't know if they will,

814
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: and if THEYD well, I don't know when that will be.

815
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: I will keep it. But to be clear, their central mission,

816
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: which they told the world loudly they were after, they

817
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: have not fulfilled it and they've not even come close

818
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: PC and I think they're The Canelo fight and interesting

819
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: is all emblematic of it.

820
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: Final point on this is just to echo what you said.

821
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: It's not their fault that they launch a campaign that

822
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: says we're gonna kill pay per view, and then boxing

823
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: pay per view becomes more valuable than it's ever been

824
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: because we can't have live stadiums in the live gate

825
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I'm just saying, hey, to own,

826
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: you already got Canelo and Triple G under your stable.

827
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: You're paying them stupid amounts of money. You're overpaying them

828
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: to make your name. The fact that they haven't fought.

829
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that fight is the fight that saves anything.

830
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you got into it to match those

831
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: guys together. That's just an example of where are we

832
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: at right now? What are we doing? Because if you

833
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: can't even get them together on your own platform and

834
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: make it work, then you know, forget about taking down

835
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: boxing pay per view or competing in that space anyway.

836
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm just as talking as a fan. I want to

837
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: see these fighters fight. I want to see it matter boxing.

838
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: He needs big fights right now. Okay, let's get Canelo

839
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: back out there and let's bang the drum and make

840
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: it interesting very quickly.

841
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: Over the weekend, Jose Ramirez defending I believe his what

842
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: his WBOWBC titles at lightwelter weight, so it's one hundred

843
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: and forty pounds, basically defeating Victor Postal. Are they going

844
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: to set up the Josh Taylor fight for the full unification?

845
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: What is your takeaway from the weekend there?

846
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: You know that's obviously the plan. Josh Taylor has a

847
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: stay busy mandatory in September against a Asian man who

848
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: I will not try to pronounce his name, but he

849
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: should win that and we should get this fight. Look,

850
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: I want to shout out top rank. This was a

851
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: fight on paper. Third time they tried to make it. Unfortunately,

852
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Postal had a fly to China on February just to

853
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: find out the fight was canceled. This was one of

854
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: the better hardcore fights, and I think it played out

855
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: that way. It was a fun little chess match, and

856
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: you got to give Postal credit for having an argument

857
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: to have won. At the end of the day, he

858
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: loses a tight majority decision, and now you've got to

859
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: ask yourself this. They Ramirez after the fight wasn't really

860
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: happy with his own performance. He got a little bit

861
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: of flack. We do know that, as they said on

862
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: the broadcast, his intangibles are the true elite things about him.

863
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: His character, his cardio, his pressure, all that stuff. And

864
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: it's not as if he's not a good boxer. He

865
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: can do some things in there. But I don't think

866
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: this fight, which was the final test to really get

867
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: us excited about him and Josh Taylor, all four titles

868
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: on the line, and oh, by the way, having that

869
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: fight serve as the launch pad to maybe finally getting

870
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford, the welterweight champion who's on his own island

871
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: with top rank ESPN, an opponent that matters, an opponent

872
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: where you can make a case that this guy might

873
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: actually be able to give him trouble. Right now. We

874
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: may see Terrence Crawford against cal Brook, but we know

875
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: it's an empty cupboard right now. He's not fighting the

876
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: PBC guys at the moment. Top rank is doing a

877
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: good thing of getting these guys at one forty ready.

878
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: But Luke, from what I saw there, I don't know.

879
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: I've got to like Taylor, who had an easier handle

880
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: against Postal than Ramirez did. Let's not forget Terrence Crawford

881
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: destroyed a prime victor post style. I just didn't get

882
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: the feeling that Jose Ramirez has an extra level to

883
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: his ceiling to get even better than we've already seen

884
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: and on this course. Look, that's fine, he'll be a

885
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: tough out, but I don't see him beating Josh Taylor,

886
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: and I certainly don't see him putting a debt in

887
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford.

888
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's sort of pinpointed that it was the lack

889
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: of a cry, which he typically feeds off of that.

890
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: He was supposed to fight in February and the fight

891
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: was delayed twice, and maybe could be. I think you're right,

892
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 2: it was not the kind of it's like, well, okay,

893
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: you know you beat who you were supposed to beat,

894
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: post All only lost to who Crawford Taylor and now Ramirez.

895
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not some chump. It's a solid win.

896
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: But you're right, it wasn't the time where you're like, oh,

897
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: this is the guy that's going to take it from

898
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: Josh Taylor. Still, anytime you can get full on title

899
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: unification and someone can become only the fifth boxer and

900
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: any point in history to have all the titles unified,

901
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: it's something you should make. It's something we should look

902
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: forward to. Yeah.

903
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: Do you see by the way you see Ruguru getting

904
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter afterwards saying, uh no, this is why you

905
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: avoided me? Right there?

906
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: We just all why interesting? Interesting? He lost to Josh

907
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: Taylor in his last contest, right.

908
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was an absolute classic close fight. Yep.

909
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to MMA here if we

910
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: can very quickly. So it's not been one thousand percent confirmed,

911
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: but Daniel White has hinted at it. I think even

912
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: said explicitly, this is what they're looking for this to be.

913
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: Anderson Silva, I think in October or so is going

914
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: to fight Uriah Hall. All right, and it's a fine

915
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: fight in the sense of okay, I understand it. Particularly

916
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: BC on the Aryah Hall side. He was supposed to

917
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: fight Jacquaray, a big name opponent. That was the one

918
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: when they did the COVID shows early in May in Jacksonville,

919
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: and of course he forgettably got sick and they had

920
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: to call that off. Then they were going to have

921
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: Joel Romero and he had to withdraw for undisclosed reasons.

922
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: I bring those up to say Hall has gotten with

923
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: a new camp. He's with Safe Saud, who is one

924
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: of the best trainers in the sport. You think, okay,

925
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: maybe this guy's really gonna, you know, begin to finally

926
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: build upon all that potential. And those were name opponents.

927
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: Now you're, well, what's he going to do? So they

928
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: give him Anderson Silva. If I'm your Riah Hall, BC,

929
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: I love this fight. I love this fight because it's winnable.

930
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: I love this fight because Anderson Silva still has a name.

931
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: And if I'm the UFC, I understand why they made

932
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: this fight. They probably see Anderson Silva is going to

933
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: be if not this one, then the next one. But

934
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: certainly they wanted to be done and Uriah Hall can

935
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: get that name opponent that they feel like they probably

936
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: owe him at this point. They tried to give him

937
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: two and they couldn't. And if he gets that win, great,

938
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: they can move him up and they just need as

939
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: many fresh contenders for whoever wins that title at UFC

940
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: two fifty three. You know not the Hall would be

941
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: the title shot winner. But I'm just saying keeping that

942
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: debt train moving. If you're Anderson Silva, I don't know

943
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: why you accepted this fight other than you were forced to.

944
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 2: Why on earth would he take this? Here's my question.

945
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: B See, it's not that Uriah Hall beating him doesn't

946
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: confer some kind of respectability upon his name, But we're

947
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: talking about the greatest middleweight of all time here, maybe

948
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: the greatest fighter of all time. Beating Hall at this

949
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: point is impressive, but it doesn't meaningfully change his resume

950
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: in any kind of way. Moreover, he's probably not going

951
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: to beat him. Moreover, I did not like that fight

952
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: that Connor had suggested. In the sense of that's what

953
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: I thought the best use of Connor's time was. But

954
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: you can't tell me that Connor going to the French

955
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: riviera wherever the hell he's at in these days, not fighting,

956
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: rather than fighting Anderson Silva is a better use of

957
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: his time. And I have a very hard time understanding

958
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: what Silva gets out of this, because his chances aren't good,

959
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: and even if he wins, it doesn't do anything for him.

960
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: Versus the Connor fight, even if you lost that, it's fun,

961
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: it's sort of frivolous in a way, and it's really

962
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: weird and unique. I didn't like that fight either, But

963
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: I'll say Connor versus Silva over what we have this

964
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: time any day of the week.

965
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hate this, hated it. Two snaps down all

966
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: the way here, Luke. I've been really critical of how

967
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: they've booked Anderson Silva at the late half of his career.

968
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: Do you know what Silva should be doing right now?

969
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: He should be doing what Fador is doing in Bellator.

970
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: The reality is Arson Silva would have a great time

971
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: in Belatore. You can book them in fights that he

972
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: can still win, because even at forty five, there's still

973
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: some real fun things left in the tank. Not title

974
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: contending things, not let's go have him beat these grinders

975
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: and these hard ass guys, but fun fights. Could you

976
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: imagine him and Belatore right now against like Macheetah and

977
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: we'll bring back Rashad and we know you could do

978
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: some fun against Fad or you could do some fun

979
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: weird matchmaking. Here's the thing about UFC, though they can

980
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: do the same thing. We always credit UFC because the

981
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: best always have to face the best. And again I'm

982
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: not naive to the idea that eventually your stars face

983
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: your up and comers and you sort of go through

984
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: the food cycle there. And you know Rashad, I mean

985
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: Anderson going in there, by the way against Israel at

986
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: a Sonya was somewhat of that right, and he gave

987
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: a great effort and he shined up out of Sonia

988
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: for his next step in the future, all that good stuff.

989
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: They do not know how to book him overall. The

990
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: Derek Brunson fight, what was there to win there That

991
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't have happened. The Cannoneer fight made no sense at all.

992
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: This fight right here makes no sense at all. If

993
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: he wants to keep fighting, and he's still a decent

994
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: level of a draw, and he's exciting, and he's not

995
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: out there getting knocked out, which you know last time

996
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: I checked. Outside of leg injuries and acting like a

997
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: buffoon against Widman Anderson, Silva doesn't get knocked out, why

998
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: don't you just give him his Belator tour run right

999
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: now in the octagon. The Condor fight's not a bad idea.

1000
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'd like Silfa the fight have a Robbie Lawler.

1001
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: You can't do that.

1002
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: Hop out another Nick Diaz type fight. That's what makes sense.

1003
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: He just wants to compete and have fun and take challenges.

1004
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: He gains nothing by fighting guys. You have to fight

1005
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: to climb the ladder. Those days are over. They made

1006
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: one more fun Dan Henderson bizping II type run out

1007
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: of it and said, hey, if you beat out a Sonya,

1008
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: you get one more title shot. And Luke, like I said,

1009
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: to his credit, he pulled out what was left inside

1010
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: of him and that's fine. Those days are over. UFC

1011
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: wake up, treat him like the legend he is. Put

1012
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: him in fun ass main events. Give him the only

1013
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: legend that they've properly known how to book and that's

1014
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: Rich Franklin. That was by accident. He became the lever

1015
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: in the bullpen. You need a name at one eighty five,

1016
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: you need a name at two o five, Call Rich Franklin.

1017
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: He'll make some fun ass fights. He'll knock out Ladell

1018
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: with a broken arm. That should be Anderson Silver right now?

1019
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: Why why do people not get this?

1020
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: Luke? Yeah? And the other part about it is you

1021
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: can't even argue he's never done the UFC solids In

1022
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: terms of matchmaking. He has taken on the guys like

1023
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: Adasanya and Kennoneer, the next wave. Adasianna was not champion

1024
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: at that point, so that next wave of contender to

1025
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: set them up with a name and a future and

1026
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 2: everything else. Plus filling in for John Jones against Daniel

1027
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: Cormier on short notice at UFC two hundred, going to

1028
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: fight Michael Bisby in London, Like the dude has done

1029
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: this part of his career already. You can't say he's

1030
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: never helped the UFC out and yes he absolutely has.

1031
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: If this is his last one, why is he not

1032
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: in the funnest fight that you can make on the

1033
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: roster And maybe the Hall fight will be really good

1034
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: in this way and we're all just being super negative. Okay, fine,

1035
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: I will come on here in Ekro if that fight

1036
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: ends up being tremendous, But I have a feeling it's

1037
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: not gonna be. It's gonna end up being like, uh,

1038
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, Hall probably wins, and you know, maybe just

1039
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: exciting moments here or there, but it's you know, relatively

1040
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: one sided, relatively lackluster, and that's just the end of it.

1041
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: That's how the Great Anderson Silva is supposed to go

1042
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: out of the UFC. It seems ridiculous to me. So

1043
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: I don't understand what the what the motivation is, other

1044
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: than they have this sort of myopia about what they're

1045
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: to do with their aging stars. All right, last, but

1046
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: not least, take.

1047
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: To sprinkle on. Can we throw GSP some money or

1048
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: if we're keeping them in the bullfen for herbib, that's fine.

1049
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 2: How about jingor do Santos?

1050
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: How about we put Andy out on a go away

1051
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: at heavyweight for fun? Roll it out there. There's a

1052
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: lot better ways.

1053
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: You can do this, right And to your point, even

1054
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: GSP is saying he finds a fight with Kabeb very

1055
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: very unlikely, even post Dana White's recent comments because they

1056
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: don't want him to go off with the title. Well, congratulations,

1057
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about that. If it's Anderson

1058
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: Silva versus GSP, or Anderson Silva versus Connor McGregor or whatever,

1059
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: none of those concerns are in play, and at least

1060
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: it keeps everybody busy. It's I don't get it. I

1061
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: really don't, Luke, because I got.

1062
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: An interesting question to ask you. You're not.

1063
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't have jobs. I know I do have an

1064
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: HR meeting, but we got talk.

1065
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: Five I know people. Javier Mendez, the coach of Habib

1066
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: at Aka, came out and said an interesting thing to

1067
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: a Brazilian podcast. He said, if Habib ends up fighting

1068
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: GSP for the lightweight title in his walk off fight

1069
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: next April, we're assuming he would have beaten Justin Gatschee

1070
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: to get there. He says, the winner of that fight

1071
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: is the greatest of all time. Now, right, when you

1072
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: hear that knee jerk, you're like, uh, you know, buddy,

1073
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: I got bones Jones on line one A. Right, it's

1074
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: the booty call at four am on the street there

1075
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: in Albuquerque. But the more you think about it, though, look,

1076
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I think John Jones is to go up and down

1077
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: every day of the week. Don't ask me again. Right,

1078
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: there are obviously still people who think GSP is right now,

1079
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: there are people who think Anderson Anderson is or fade

1080
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. There's still room in the argument. I think

1081
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: until John goes up and wins the heavyweight championship, there's

1082
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: still room to make that case. I stopped doing the

1083
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: knee jerk thing and I started thinking about it. If

1084
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: a BIEB retires at like thirty and oh, and he

1085
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: beats you know, Connor, Justin Gaetchee, GSP, you know, you

1086
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: add on the other two three four solid ass Windsy's had.

1087
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: He's already in a spot being unbeaten and being so

1088
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: dominant where it's gonna be hard to know exactly where

1089
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: to put him in the all time. Maybe that's not

1090
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 1: out of the question. You could say he's the goat

1091
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: after that, and if GSP won a third championship or

1092
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: a third division, of course he'd be the damn goat.

1093
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: I think Havier Mendez is right. You can market it

1094
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: this way and it's not insulting. That would be very interesting,

1095
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: even if because I always said if g justb can't

1096
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: make lightweight. Don't do the fight. There's nothing to gain

1097
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: from a catchweight fight at welterweight outside of money. And hey,

1098
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: I beat GSP. But I think if you bill it

1099
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: the right way and really make it about the goat,

1100
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: you might be able to get to take that step

1101
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: forward past John Jones in the myth the cole all

1102
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: time who cares greatest of all time debate.

1103
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the problem. If Kabeb goes in there

1104
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: and does Kabeb things to him at one fifty five,

1105
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: then the reverse is gonna sort of undo the fight,

1106
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 2: which is to say, you're gonna have a scenario where

1107
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 2: you could look at it and you can say, Okay,

1108
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: it's still a nice win. It's a great win as

1109
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, and it'll probably make the UFC

1110
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: and those guys a boatload of money. I don't think

1111
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a bad fight in that sense, but

1112
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: you'd be like, well, he beat a GSP who fought

1113
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: two times over eight weight classes for the first time

1114
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: at one to fifty five nearly the age of forty.

1115
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't really tell you a whole lot about who's the

1116
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: goat there. That's the problem for me. If you're a Kabebe,

1117
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: I understand that there's a name value to it and

1118
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: a substance of value to it, But I'm sorry, that's

1119
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: not the clincher for Kabeb to be the grace of

1120
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: all time if you beat that version of Saint Pierre,

1121
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: because we won't. And and by the way, I don't

1122
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: even know if that's necessarily fair, but there's no way

1123
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: to know how good that version is, especially if he

1124
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: ends up getting housed. You're like, does it mean that

1125
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: Kabebe was that guy? Or does it mean that this

1126
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: dude at nearly forty years of age getting down to

1127
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: a weight class that was too unnatural for him?

1128
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: Sort of know that it would be less about beating

1129
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: GSP for Habib, and it would be the total body

1130
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: of unbeaten work that you'd make the do.

1131
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: Okay, but here's the let me ask you, name a

1132
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: fighter that has a better in your mind? Is Floyd

1133
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: Mayweather the best boxer of all time? He's not right.

1134
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: He's up there, but he's not right right. So name

1135
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: somebody better than him in terms of where you rank

1136
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: them that has losses on their career.

1137
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: Sugar Ray Robinson, Yes, but it was a different era

1138
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 1: in which you're fighting every day. Because this is my point,

1139
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: and what would you get? Floyd was all about that

1140
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: unbeaten record, right, he made it the marketing.

1141
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: You know, I understand, I understand it's a savvy thing.

1142
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: I get it. But here's my point. What is the

1143
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: difference between Ray Robinson's resume and Floyd's era? Is notwithstanding

1144
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: It's not that the Ray Robinson has losses, but he

1145
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 2: has so many more wins over so many more top

1146
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: contemporaries and a much more active clip. The amalgamation of

1147
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: the of it all really counts there. Now, thirty wins,

1148
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: it would make him easily, for Flo or for kabebe

1149
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: easily the best lightweight of all time. I mean that

1150
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: would not even be up for debate. Hell, he might

1151
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: get that if he beats Justin. To be honest with you,

1152
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: yeah right, I mean that's what we're talking about here,

1153
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: but greatest of all time?

1154
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: When a guy came a tough question, are you then

1155
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: that means are you saying and I'm not saying this

1156
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: is wrong, but are you saying that, even with a

1157
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: win over Gatchee, that if hebib retires unbeaten next April,

1158
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: he will not have beaten enough elite contenders due to

1159
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: the gaps, due to injury and fasting and all that

1160
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: stuff to.

1161
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: Be the greatest of all time, irrecipc.

1162
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: To have a firm claim at the goat in your eyes,

1163
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: not anybody else in Luke Thomas's eyes.

1164
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course not. Why would you to me?

1165
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: The losses they count, they matter, But dude, you got

1166
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: like they're not disqualifying from the conversation in the way

1167
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: that people think they are. Sometimes how you lost you.

1168
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: Lost them saying if you had only lost one round

1169
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: and thirty, I mean you would have to weigh that

1170
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: in the conversation loop.

1171
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: No, dude, again, he might already be and if he

1172
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: beats Justin he probably is the greatest lightweight, which, by

1173
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: the way, that's the toughest division in MMA. But to me,

1174
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: it's like beating GSP. Now what's harder, beating GSP right

1175
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: now one fifty five or beating Camorrow at one seventy.

1176
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's beating Kamorrow. You might disagree with that.

1177
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: Now at one seventy, I don't know. It gets a

1178
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: little bit diceier there if both are one seventy, but

1179
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 2: Saint Pierre never been at one fifty five for twice

1180
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: in eight years. If they end up making that happen,

1181
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: that's a that's a tougher fight than camorrow One's seventy.

1182
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: I don't believe that, And so you have to ask

1183
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: yourself what is the value of that win? And then

1184
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: it begins to get to a territory where that's the

1185
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: thing you're gonna say, is the nail in the coffin

1186
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: on the argument I don't, I cannot accept that.

1187
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: What if I substituted Tony Ferguson in for the April.

1188
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: Fight again best lightweight of all time? And then then

1189
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: the conversation gets a little bit disier, because you know,

1190
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: what would it mean to.

1191
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: Say he's gonna have a case, He's gonna have some

1192
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: fingers on that throne on that you know he's gonna

1193
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: reach for it if he beats Tony and Justin to

1194
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: end the career, Luke, Yes, he's gonna have a command

1195
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: on that.

1196
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: Yes, And again if he goes in there and houses

1197
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: both of these guys, then you're getting to a territory

1198
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: where it's like John Jones has, which is you know,

1199
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: I mean well, the last few fights have been a

1200
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: little bit disier, but up to up to the Tiagoa,

1201
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: Santo's fight just sort of ran away with it. Okay, BC,

1202
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: we gotta get We don't have to go long just

1203
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: for the sake of going long. Let's quickly, quickly, quickly,

1204
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: quickly look ahead to next weekend. You know what's funny.

1205
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: NBA ratings are down and UFC ratings are up, and

1206
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm not mad about it, but it is kind of

1207
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: funny because the NBA is in the middle of their

1208
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: playoffs and UFC is putting out like Contender series cards

1209
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: with just a few UFC events at the top. So

1210
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 2: next weekend, Alistair Overreim is taking on Augusto's Secai. It's

1211
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: the right fight to make BC if you're matching up

1212
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: where everybody is, and Overeim still wants to find one

1213
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: more opportunity for a title shot if he can get there.

1214
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: Is the Secai fight really a meaningful mover in that direction? No?

1215
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: This this man event sucks? Is it as bad as

1216
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: the uh? Remember that time Derek Lewis and Abdul uh

1217
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: what was that guy's name, Amer Khan Abdullah? You know

1218
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: the heavyweight? No?

1219
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 2: Uh, ub Rock MOV.

1220
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now UFC Albany, Yeah, this is as bad as

1221
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: that in a lot of ways. Look shout out to UFC.

1222
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: They got a fight card every weekend from now until

1223
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: like mid December. Like they're the they were the Envy

1224
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: forget Joe Exotic, They're the m vps of this quarantine

1225
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: by far. This is just an off week, Luke. I mean,

1226
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: did I prefer Jessica I Cynthia Calvio to this? Probably?

1227
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 2: Maybe? Probably? Yeah. By the way, your your best friend

1228
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: Michelle Pereeda is back this weekend. Are you going to

1229
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 2: be excited for his backflipping? Yeah?

1230
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: Who's that circus CLM fighting? Uh?

1231
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: Zealem Amadiev Imadaiev.

1232
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: All right, hopefully you can do it spinning back flipped

1233
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: off the cage and catch him with a reversed Uh

1234
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: yeah whatever, whatever, look whatever.

1235
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: It's fine. Yeah. And also osp versus Minifield, that's a

1236
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: good fight. That one got delayed because one of them

1237
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: had COVID. And then Jalen Turned versus Thiago Moysis and

1238
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: then Cole Smith versus Hunter Azure. So there's some good fights.

1239
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: More women's strawweights if you ask me, Luke.

1240
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 2: Okay, you can never get too many of them. Okay,

1241
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: now is the portion in the show where you guys

1242
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: get to ask us questions. You do this every Sunday

1243
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: on Instagram. It is time now for dms from Boss

1244
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna mouth breathe this time. I'm ready

1245
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: for the animation. Okay, BC, let's get right to it.

1246
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: Underscore at Will Underscores gives me Aja. Do you think

1247
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: the lack of a crowd and subsequent booing is allowing

1248
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: longer grappling exchanges to happen, leading to different fight cadences

1249
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: and outcomes. That's a great question.

1250
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: That is a great question. Who the heck is will

1251
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: Will Asia Will? Aha, that's a great question. Wow. You

1252
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: know what, Luke, I would like to see somebody who

1253
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: much nerdier than me, with a lot of time really

1254
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: kind of try to figure that out. Because there's been

1255
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: weird plus kind of like the season of the empty

1256
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: Arena fights, you know. I mean the only time it

1257
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: stands out to me is when there's a giant brawl

1258
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, people would be losing their issue

1259
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: over this. Outside of that, I've loved seeing the changes.

1260
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: You know, every fighter I talked to first thing, I ask,

1261
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: how much does hearing the commentary and your opposing coach's

1262
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: corner like change things. I think this might be that

1263
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: might be true, Luke.

1264
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: I would like to see the numbers verify this intuition.

1265
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if it's true. To be

1266
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: honest with you, I mean, the referees, dude, they're human,

1267
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: they're human, They're going They can say all they want

1268
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: that the crowd booing has no effect on them. And

1269
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure that they want that to be true. And

1270
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: in many cases individually, this one, that one, it probably

1271
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: is true. But is the question, does booing overall have

1272
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: any measurable impact on the speediness of stand ups? I

1273
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: suspect they're probably and this is a hunch, but I

1274
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: suspect there probably is some truth to that. How much

1275
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. But you know this idea that like

1276
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: the fans being removed makes no difference in the end. Sorry,

1277
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: I just don't believe that at all. You can't go this.

1278
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: You can't go this whole show. By the way, and

1279
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: not mentioned that guy with that giant devil back tattoo

1280
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: on a Saturday night Big Win.

1281
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: Sean Brady, Sean Brady. Yeah, I felt like I think

1282
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: that's the Japanese sort of style of masking.

1283
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul Felder was like on the verge of filatio

1284
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: there in the post fight interview, very excited for him.

1285
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: I was a big win, looked very good.

1286
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: He was on the verge, was on the verge of

1287
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: blowing him. I don't know if that was quite true,

1288
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: but all right, at Dodo Bard asks do you think

1289
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: the recent NBA and MLB players protesting their respective games

1290
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: will help MMA fighters understand the efficacy of collective action? Fuck? No,

1291
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: can you absolutely not? Basically, if you're asking what was

1292
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: the material change that resulted, I'm not so much from MLB,

1293
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: but certainly from NBA play protesting. Having those games after

1294
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: the shooting of Jacob Blake, I would say two things. One,

1295
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: it forced this attention on Jacob Blake's situation that had

1296
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 2: kind of not dissipated but had never really reached critical mass.

1297
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: I'd seen other shootings take greater national profile, and you

1298
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: may say for better or for worse, but it just

1299
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: sort of refocused attention on it, which was intentional by

1300
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: the NBA players. The second part is I believe they

1301
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: reached a deal with most of the owners of the

1302
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: venues in which they play to turn those venues into

1303
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: polling stations, which is a real tangible benefit and change.

1304
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: And so the question is, don't you guys, don't you

1305
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: mma fighter see if you ban together, you may not

1306
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: want polling changes or police brutality awareness, whatever your cause is.

1307
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: Don't you see working together gets you there? Dude, they

1308
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: know working together gets you there. No one wants to

1309
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: fall on their sword to get there. That's the difference.

1310
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: So no, it's going to do absolutely fuck all in

1311
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: terms of change.

1312
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: This is a tough spot here because UFC is not

1313
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: really recognizing any of this right company the decision to

1314
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of be look, you know, you saw some of

1315
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: that stuff, Dana saying, don't even mention the quarantine on

1316
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,439
Speaker 1: our air. We want to be separate from regular life,

1317
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: so no political crossover at all will be your entertainment,

1318
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: enjoy us. That would be obviously an easier mindset to

1319
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: accept if Dana wasn't at the RNC giving a passionate speech,

1320
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: and if you are inclined to not vote on that

1321
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: side of the line, then I'm sure you could have

1322
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: issues with that. So in light of that is it

1323
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: okay for the UFC to really have zero public statement.

1324
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't even I'm not saying on

1325
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: the back of the NBA jersey it should say all

1326
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: these messages. You know, there's many ways to have a

1327
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: statement and put it out there. But do you think

1328
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: UFC's across the board just this is not even happening

1329
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: is the right move considering what where we're seeing Dana

1330
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: on TV.

1331
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I would say. I am totally in

1332
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: support of all of the movements that the NBA players

1333
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: are in support of, Like I don't disagree ideologically with

1334
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: them at all, but I disagree with my colleagues, particularly

1335
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: in media, who are like, oh the end, the UFC

1336
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: should come out and say they support Black Lives matter.

1337
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 2: Why why you know they don't believe it. Number one,

1338
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: So just giving it stupid lip service is some kind

1339
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: of like some some empty gesture is what you want.

1340
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't want that. Number two. I am not one

1341
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: of these guys who looks for ethical and political leadership

1342
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: from sporting corporate entities or a Yeah, it's like it's

1343
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 2: like it's like, dude, here's the thing. But not even

1344
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: forget about fight promoters It's like, do you remember I

1345
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: said this on my live chat? Do you remember what

1346
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: if it was Dove or in Nevea or Gillette did

1347
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: that like anti toxic masculinity ad and they got a

1348
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: lot of shit for it, for the way they handled it.

1349
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: But it's like, do dude, like, I don't need any

1350
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: of these companies to be my compass for what is

1351
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: a moral choice in the world, especially when you were

1352
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: not created for those purposes. There are companies from the way,

1353
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: from the day in which they're founded. B see that

1354
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: built into the fabric of their identity. They're going to

1355
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: be part of some kind of ethical leadership. And you

1356
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: may not agree with that particular form of ethics, but

1357
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: it's part of who they are. I'll give you an example,

1358
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: fair trade coffee for example. You can buy the coffee,

1359
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: you can agree with the mission or not, but that's

1360
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: who they are. Part of what they're doing is to

1361
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: take care of what they think is a problem by

1362
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: virtue of how they arrange their business.

1363
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: Okay, yea fair enough Chick fil A on Sundays, deal

1364
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: with it, Luke, Okay, right right, Jilette, you sell fucking

1365
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: at you sell fucking razors like you can save it,

1366
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: you can can it.

1367
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't care. And it's the same thing with this,

1368
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: with the whole the last thing. I'll say this, the

1369
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: same thing with Colin Kaepernick and Nike. I'm not against anything,

1370
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick, says him kneeling is not anti troops, not

1371
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: against you know, all the things that his critics say

1372
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: that it is. It's so ridiculous that people are all

1373
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: triggered by it. I don't care about it. But am

1374
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: I gonna go buy his T shirt from Nike? No?

1375
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: And more to the point, do I think Nike is

1376
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: doing that because they really believe in the ethics of it. No,

1377
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: They're doing it to make a buck. Their business went

1378
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: up when they did it. So Nike, Gillette, whoever, these

1379
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: are not my moral barometers. I never will rely on them.

1380
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: I respect that take out of you, and I didn't

1381
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: think you would give that as it pertains to the UFC.

1382
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: What you're basically saying, Luke, is you almost respect Dana

1383
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: and Company more for not bullshitting, for saying, you know, yes,

1384
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: care what you think we believe. You can guess what

1385
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: we believe, but we're not gonna make it about this.

1386
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: And and I mean, look.

1387
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: There, I don't know. I don't I'm not. I'm not

1388
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: mad at the NBA for doing it. PC to be clear, like,

1389
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: if that's what they want to spend their time doing,

1390
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: do it. And I'm not saying that no good will

1391
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: even come of it. That's also not what I'm saying.

1392
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm just saying when I when I think about whether

1393
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: or not I agree or don't agree with Black Lives Matter,

1394
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: the NBA pushing it on me has zero effect one

1395
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: way or the other.

1396
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think overall, I do agree with that. I

1397
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: know it's different for the NBA because the percentage of

1398
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,479
Speaker 1: black players in it is huge. So if this wants

1399
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more of a billboard for

1400
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: that movement, go for it. I have no problem with that.

1401
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: Do I think the back of the uniform is a

1402
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: little extreme, maybe to my personal taste, as opposed to

1403
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: on the core or a flashing screen whatever. I don't

1404
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: care what you do during the national anthem, Like I'm

1405
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: all for express yourself, but I may agree with you

1406
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: on that part. I think that's the full agreeance. I

1407
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: am happy that this isn't an empty gesture from data

1408
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: on company, and I do think you should be able

1409
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: to close the walls down and say that once you

1410
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: turn this channel and this show on, we're not touching

1411
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. If that's the way you want

1412
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: to present it, and just this is the escape, then

1413
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: it is what it is.

1414
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: Also, you know, Dana, they'd ever say anything about Black

1415
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: Lives matter and then he goes and speaks at the RNC.

1416
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: Is it a mystery which way that they stand on

1417
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: this make your and either way you want to suppor

1418
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: that or not, I'm not gonna judge you for it. Like,

1419
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: and this is why all this is the other side

1420
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: of the equation too. It's like, why are NBA ratings down? Well,

1421
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 2: partly they're having afternoon games. That's just like a death

1422
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: zone for ratings. Okay, fine, but I've seen people be like, oh,

1423
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 2: it's because of their advocacy. Yo, Dana White and I

1424
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: probably agree on nothing, absolutely nothing, And that's not going

1425
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: to stop me from watching his product. His product is

1426
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: good in general. I'm going to keep watching these people

1427
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 2: who are like I can't stand I can't stand black

1428
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: players being concerned about black issues. Is like, really, like

1429
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: this is so awful for you that you can't even

1430
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: watch the basketball, Like, just put it on mute if

1431
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: you don't want to see, or we'll do whatever you

1432
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: gotta do. But like, if you really love basketball, that's

1433
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: going to stop you. I don't. I don't believe that.

1434
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: The one thing I'll sayd.

1435
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: Is to NBC for that. I'm just pumped up. You

1436
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: and Dana are finally Eskimo Brothers on something. Luke, this

1437
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: is good.

1438
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I'll SAYBC. The one thing I do

1439
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 2: think with the UFC airrs is if you don't want

1440
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: to wait into the controversies, that's fine. And to the

1441
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 2: UFC's credit, when al Jamain Sterling wanted to say something

1442
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 2: about it, they didn't. You know, they're not telling you

1443
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: not to say say whatever you want to say when

1444
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: it's your turn to have the microphone. Fair enough that

1445
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: that's the way it should be. If the play, If

1446
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 2: the athletes want to get out there on their own time,

1447
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: either on the broadcast or afterwards and say stuff, I'm fine.

1448
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: The part that I disagree with the UFC on is

1449
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: like we don't want to mention anything about COVID or

1450
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: anything about quarantine. It's like, dude, we know this is

1451
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 2: at the APEX. There's no fans here. Everyone's wearing a mask,

1452
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: a modest accommodation of that reality on the broadcast. I

1453
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 2: don't think we'll hurt anybody this idea, like we're going

1454
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 2: to totally block off the world. You can't. The world

1455
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: has beared down upon you. You cannot separate the two.

1456
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: It's fair, all right, that's fair to a degree, all right?

1457
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: You see at JG. Rivera twelve. Do you believe this

1458
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: pandemic has expedited the changing of the guard between old

1459
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: vets and upcoming fighters since there are limited number of

1460
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 2: fighters available and fights to create.

1461
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: You there?

1462
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 2: Think you there? Luke? Yes, I didn't.

1463
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't hear the end of your question. But

1464
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: that's fine. We'll roll on. Expedited the changing of the guard?

1465
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean we're seeing some of the same fighters fight

1466
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: again and again and again. I think Hannah Seipher's fights

1467
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: every three hours, uh in twenty twenty. Maybe that's availability.

1468
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't know where where the fighters live. I don't know.

1469
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: I haven't really thought too deep about this. I don't

1470
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: even know if it's time to really start thinking too

1471
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: deep about this.

1472
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: But thank you for yeah.

1473
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

1474
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: I would need a better explanation of the mechanisms in

1475
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 2: play here. It's it's an interesting theory, but I don't

1476
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't exactly know h So we'll move on to

1477
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 2: the next one. At Billie Big Wheels PC, the MMA

1478
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: genie grants you your one wish to change the outcome

1479
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: of any fight. Let's say, MMA fight. Obviously, which fight

1480
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 2: do you choose? And why?

1481
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: Uh Wideman Silva Ie, And I'm not I'm not necessarily

1482
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: you know, anti Chris Wiman or fanboy Anderson Silva. I

1483
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 1: just again, I don't think either of those fights answered

1484
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: the proper question of who was the best middleweight in

1485
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: the world at that moment. And you know that was

1486
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: that was Andy's playing with the house money a little

1487
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: bit too much and just gambling with the chin and

1488
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: doing all the mechanisms. And he became more about the

1489
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: mechanisms in that fight, unfortunately, and he got served. He

1490
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: paid the ultimate price for it. But I'm sorry. I've

1491
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: went back and watched both fights, and I'm not convinced

1492
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: that Chris Widman was better than him then and should

1493
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: have been the champion at that point. What is a mechanism,

1494
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: It's it's an alternate pronunciation of machinism. I possibly made it.

1495
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you mean macination.

1496
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: Macadamian. I'll have to look it up afterwards. I use

1497
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: a different dictionary than most people.

1498
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: I see. I would go, well, the biggest upset are sorry,

1499
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: the biggest the biggest robbery in Emmy history is Mike

1500
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: Easton Chase BB. I guess on, like you know, who

1501
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: got done wrong. I'd probably go to that one. But honestly,

1502
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play the recency bias game BC, and I'm

1503
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 2: gonna go John Jones Dominic Reyes.

1504
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: I thought I wanted machinations. I did want machinations. You're right, Yeah,

1505
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: you went, you went, John Jones dom Reys.

1506
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little bit of recency bias obviously.

1507
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: But now you're saying, if if if dom had won

1508
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: that by split decision, you you think that's better for

1509
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: the sport that John has to go back there and

1510
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: get a rematch to win his belt back. He can

1511
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: become his Just.

1512
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: To me, it's a much more interesting world than the

1513
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 2: one that we got in certain ways. I mean, if

1514
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: he goes up to heavyweight, which I think you would

1515
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: have done anyway, you know, I guess you get that

1516
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: part of it. But here's the thing. To me, It's

1517
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: like when people said Gustuson beat him the first time,

1518
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't see it. When they said Thiago

1519
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 2: Santo's beat him, I didn't see it. I saw Reyes

1520
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 2: beating him, Like Ray has won that one to me,

1521
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: And you know, that's the only time I've ever seen

1522
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: John where I scored a five against him, and to

1523
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: be it was pretty clear. Uh. I just feel like,

1524
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: I wonder what would happen if you if you'll let

1525
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 2: that bomb go off and how it changes things. Andy'd

1526
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: be curious, or you know, Cormier wins the rematch between them,

1527
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: or you know, something like that where you get a

1528
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 2: more of a rivalry. I don't know, it'd be kind

1529
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: of interesting, all right.

1530
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, I think the one the one

1531
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: fight is not an MMA fight, and it's a little bizarre.

1532
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: But if if good old Maymac had ended uh the

1533
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: other way on some kind of like lucky punch from hell,

1534
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Connor McGregor could be Muhammad Ali at this point, right.

1535
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if, like if if Floyd was doing

1536
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 2: to Connor what he was doing up until the tenth round, right,

1537
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 2: just marching him down blah blah blah. And then Connor

1538
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 2: hits Floyd with a punch like Marquez hit Pakiao in

1539
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 2: their last fight, flatlining him like that, can you? And

1540
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: he goes face first. Could you?

1541
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be out cold? Imagine if he just

1542
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: wobbled him and he jumped in with punches. Ref gives

1543
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: a stoppage that might be a little bit too quick.

1544
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: We get a big money rematch. I'm saying, if there

1545
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: was ever a time for one athlete to like not

1546
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: triple quadruple, but like make their all time footprint in

1547
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: the in the pop culture and sports landscape, like Connor,

1548
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: that would have been the moment where Connor would have

1549
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: went from like uber superstar to like immortal in that

1550
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: one second.

1551
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: For sure, all right, from empty bouble, what celebrity death

1552
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 2: hit you the hardest, both the people you've met and

1553
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 2: those you didn't. Now, we'll get for me to Chadwick

1554
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: Boseman a little bit later. I'm going to cover that

1555
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 2: in Odds and Ends BC. Is there a celebrity death

1556
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 2: where you really kind of felt it in ways that

1557
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: maybe you hadn't before.

1558
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: I'll be quick on this part. You know, I don't

1559
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: want to be that guy who's like, don't tweet about

1560
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,919
Speaker 1: David Bowie. I bet you own none of his albums?

1561
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: How is he inspire you? And a like, you know,

1562
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: I do hate the social media era. Let's like overly

1563
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: mourn somebody, and I will say there's some truth off

1564
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 1: of that in how I look at it. I don't

1565
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: know these people, like whether they're alive at fifty five

1566
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: or dead, like unless they're on my TV still producing art,

1567
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: like I never knew them. It's sad, but I've rarely

1568
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: Luke had that deep emotional connection like, look, Kobe died,

1569
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: it's a big It was a shocker because of the age,

1570
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: and I get that, you know, people could have lived

1571
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: with the Mama mentality or been just a huge fan

1572
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: of him. I've just never felt like that with celebrities,

1573
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: where it's like that's somebody I know. I mean, look,

1574
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: if Larry Bird has a heart attack tomorrow, yeah yeah,

1575
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: that'll probably hurt more than others. But is there anything

1576
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 1: wrong with me, Luke that I can respect the distance

1577
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: I even met these people, Like, yeah, I listened to

1578
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: their art and I respect it, But whether they're alive

1579
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: or dead in this moment, I'm not seeing them. Is

1580
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 1: that harsh, Luke, No.

1581
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: That's okay. I think that's okay. I actually I have

1582
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 2: a bit of a different perspective, which is that there

1583
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: have been people whose works have really affected me or

1584
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: had an impact on me at a very impressionable time

1585
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: in my life that passed away. I have three of

1586
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 2: them very quickly. One would be when Carl Sagan died.

1587
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: It caught me out of nowhere. I was still in

1588
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 2: high school, i think at the time, and I had

1589
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 2: read I've read every Carl Sagan book that there is.

1590
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Pale Blue Dot is a little bit harder

1591
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: to read, but I've read, you know, all of them,

1592
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 2: all of them, and all of his essays, and i

1593
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: know his biography backwards and forwards. I've seen the original

1594
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 2: Cosmos what's available out there anyway, So that one kind

1595
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: of hurt. Robert Nozick has one of the most formative

1596
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 2: works ever on libertarian philosophy, anarchy, state, and utopia, and

1597
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: he was a Harvard professor when he died. I think

1598
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 2: my senior year in college that one kind of affected me.

1599
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: And then more recently on I sort of a more

1600
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 2: frivolous end of things, but Arnold Schwarzenegger is like my

1601
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 2: all time idol, and his number one right hand man

1602
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 2: for most of his life was this Italian bodybuilder named

1603
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: Franco Colombu. He died I think last year, and he

1604
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: died by drowning. That one kind of hurt a little bit,

1605
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, would he and Sean Price,

1606
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: like I have his doll right up here like when

1607
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: he died. It kind of affected me too, So yeah,

1608
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

1609
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: Have a hurt like Luke. If you die tomorrow, I'm

1610
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be in an absolute mess. But

1611
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just different, I guess. I mean,

1612
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: obviously it's always harder when somebody's in the young and

1613
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: in the prime of what they're doing. And obviously you

1614
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: add some tragic elements murder, suicide, it could you know,

1615
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: the Robin Williams one that was probably the one I okay,

1616
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: if you want a true answer to the question, Robin Williams,

1617
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: even though I wasn't specifically a massive fan, the connection

1618
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 1: with with through suicide that seemed to really hit hard

1619
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: in touch and you realize that you know, some of

1620
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: these illnesses are are you know all these illnesses, you know,

1621
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: they're not they're not. No one's immune to it. So

1622
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: I guess that part hurt. I guess I just can't see, Like,

1623
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: am I really that emotionally bruised? If somebody who's already

1624
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: old that I haven't seen there art in thirty years?

1625
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: Am I that Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain didn't get you? Yeah?

1626
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: I mean, look, b Ig Cobain, they're like in the

1627
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: midst of their prime. I'm sure that one could have

1628
01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 1: hurt worse.

1629
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: The Anthony Bourdaine one hurt, you know, because he died

1630
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: so tragically obviously and such. You know, someone so well liked,

1631
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: so famous, so rich, so lucky in many ways, was

1632
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: so miserable that he ended his own life in a

1633
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 2: Paris hotel or whatever it was. That one kind of hurt. Obviously.

1634
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't even the biggest fan of like his shows,

1635
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: per se, but just what it said about him, Yeah,

1636
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: you know that was a tough one. All right.

1637
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: Well, I don't mean the tragic IY have no heart.

1638
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the you know, lead singer your favorite

1639
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: band goes down, it sucks, I get it.

1640
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 2: But whatever, all right, Well, with that in mind, BC

1641
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: on that tragic note. Why don't you, why don't you

1642
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: raise our spirits when some comedy fails.

1643
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: All right, Oh, that's what we do. Here's what we do.

1644
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: We sky with the glove, the good and bad, the ugly,

1645
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: the his and mows, and combat sports and beyond it is.

1646
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 1: Have you seen this hit? Another shout out as well

1647
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: to the many, the many, the dirty Swans, all these

1648
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: people in my dms every week, same guys every time,

1649
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: filling me up with these Thank you. We started top

1650
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: ring boxing over the weekend. Luke, have you heard of

1651
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: junior welterweight prospect Elvis Rodriguez. Check him out there in

1652
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: the green. He's going up there against Corey Wilson. Beautiful finish,

1653
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: but but rate me this celebration dance here, Luke, Well,

1654
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: Pete Townton actually going on here. You'll get a windmill.

1655
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the best air guitar, but he is wearing gloves.

1656
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: Although he is super talented.

1657
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: This guy, he's a South Paul. He improved to nine

1658
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: oho to one with nine knockouts, trained by Freddie Roach.

1659
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: So be on the lookout for this fella, Elvis. Elvis

1660
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: is still with us. By the way, people mourn the

1661
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: crap out Elvis when he died, Like look, JFK. A

1662
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: president who stood for something that people had an emotional

1663
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: connection with. Go ahead, Luke mournum on the streets.

1664
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 2: All right, is Elvis Panamanian or Dominican? What is he's?

1665
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: I believe he's Dominican?

1666
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1667
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: All right? Am I a bad person because I didn't

1668
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: let a candle when Lane Staley went, I don't know, Luke. Okay,

1669
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. I'm done with this conversation. Hey,

1670
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: let's well, yeah, I think Wow, that's dark of you.

1671
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: PBC on Fox Undercard. Here we go. Check out junior

1672
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: welterweight Abram Martinez with the tongue out here against Louis r.

1673
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 2: Cone.

1674
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: Pretty brutal knockdown coming here in round two with the hawk.

1675
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: Oh did you see that, Luke? Did you see some

1676
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: of that shit?

1677
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh? Only in front of him?

1678
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this fight was wild, It was dirty. There

1679
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: was trash talk. Only Luis Arcone did not stay down.

1680
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: Luke.

1681
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: Let's fast forward to the final round. Here, this fight's

1682
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: up for grabs. Check out our Cone on the left,

1683
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: rallying if we can uh oh wow, three seconds to go.

1684
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: He scores a knockdown of his own fight ends in

1685
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: a split draw. Good little piece of pengo right there

1686
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: from these guys.

1687
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that bah bah hold that son?

1688
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: Uh main event not my favorite with r s LANDI Lara,

1689
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: But he rolled down there, Luke. Okay, here we go.

1690
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 2: Why because he stands on the phone but with them

1691
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: just fights? Is that because of his amazing gritty style? Uh? No?

1692
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: His opponent? Yeah, German MMA Championship over the weekend, Luke,

1693
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: they call this GMC fight night. Shout out to Kaposa

1694
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: for hooking us up. Luke, This is the real fight

1695
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: island right here, lakeside.

1696
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 2: What do you think that's a sad fight Island?

1697
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: I think that looks pretty badass.

1698
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean what is the difference here? They're

1699
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 2: fighting near water? Yeah, the winner gets thrown I listen

1700
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: if they're fighting on a boat and then the winner

1701
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 2: gets thrown overboard like Captain Stabbin. I'm all in, but

1702
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 2: just fighting next to water, like who gives a ship?

1703
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: I do?

1704
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: Luke?

1705
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: Okay, if you can't have fans like it, wouldn't it

1706
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: be great to be there? Pull up a cooler, a

1707
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: in a beach chair, in a koozie, where's my time?

1708
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: No? You really, yeah, you really undersold my Captain Stabbin saying,

1709
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 2: and I'm very upset about that.

1710
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't get it. You have to explain

1711
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: to me afterwards.

1712
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: Luke, we didn't know, Captain Stabbin.

1713
01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't should I.

1714
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 2: And you have the audacity to talk about your bag

1715
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 2: o porn at the stag parties, you lame ass.

1716
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Jerry j Captain.

1717
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 2: Let me just say this. I'll say this as delicately

1718
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 2: as I can. Captain Stabbin's whole bit was he would

1719
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 2: take girls on a boat and he would have he

1720
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't enter the front door BC. He would enter the

1721
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 2: back door when he went to his boat. If that

1722
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: makes sense. You know what I'm saying.

1723
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: Shake, shake for me, girl, Yeah, I want to be

1724
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: your back.

1725
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: And then and then when it was all done, he

1726
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 2: would throw them overboard and then drive away.

1727
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, that's great. Hey, let's get even more ridiculous. Look,

1728
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 1: you want to play a game, Let's play COVID conscious

1729
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: or COVID reckless. Luke, thou shalt not judge from where

1730
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 1: I stand, but you got no problem judging people, Luke,

1731
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: Fauci stepping into the doctor chair. Let's check out UFC Walter. Wait,

1732
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: Mike Perry with coach LATORI, his pregnant girlfriend.

1733
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: Luke.

1734
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 1: They're at a pool party. Mike's got the mask on,

1735
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: but pregnant Litory doesn't.

1736
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, what does the what does his mask say?

1737
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 2: Something about boobs and eyes?

1738
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't look at my boobs, look at my

1739
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: eyes something like it's like a like a joke of

1740
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: some kind.

1741
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you know, I mean they seem to

1742
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,560
Speaker 2: be socially distancing. It's outside. What are you gonna do?

1743
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 2: You're gonna call the police?

1744
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: Just got a little rock I put I put the

1745
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: mask on the pregnant lady, Luke.

1746
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Okay, Sorry again, the

1747
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: mask is mostly designed for you to not spread it,

1748
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: not for you to not get it.

1749
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, sure, Hey, let's roll on to this, Luke,

1750
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: COVID conscious or COVID reckless. Check out Uncle Joe and

1751
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: produce straight here.

1752
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 2: This is like an early Bane prototype. What is on

1753
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 2: his head.

1754
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: That looks like a muffler to me, Luke or I'm

1755
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: not I'm not a gear head. I think it's Is

1756
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: that a sixty eighth Chevelle there?

1757
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: When when did they open up a butcher shop at

1758
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: the moss Iicley Cantina.

1759
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: That den of Sin? Yes, yes, thank you. All right,

1760
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: let's go to the next one. Check out this lady

1761
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: on the subway, just calmly wearing her mask. But we

1762
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: zoom in, Luke.

1763
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 2: Oh, that is the You know, people are getting creative

1764
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: with their masks. Mine are just like basic colors, you know.

1765
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, this lady was like, we got to put

1766
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: some dicks on this one.

1767
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. It does prevent filatio though, I hear. So, you know,

1768
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: the mask does block you from a few different things,

1769
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: all right, you know Tyrone style, you.

1770
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 2: Know that guy that is awesome? Wow?

1771
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: All right, hey, let's head over to the MLB. Look

1772
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: who's showing up in the crowd these days at virtual

1773
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,480
Speaker 1: baseball games? Luke, There the Kansas City Royals play.

1774
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, is that is that weekend at Bernie's Bernie.

1775
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: Yes, it is, yes, it is. Just I mean, think

1776
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: of the premise of that movie. It's like two guys

1777
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: stumble across a rich, dead guy and decide to use

1778
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: his house and money and party with him for a while.

1779
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 2: I mean, can I tell you a true story? Like,

1780
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 2: first of all, it's the most creepy ass movie ever

1781
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: because they just got a dead guy that they're hauling

1782
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 2: around as he's decaying. I one time saw this like

1783
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 2: Colombian soap opera with my wife. It's a true story

1784
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 2: and it was loosely based on a true story itself.

1785
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: And in it, one of the mafiosos dies and when

1786
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 2: he dies, they put him on a motorcycle, not driving it,

1787
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 2: but like you know, riding bitch or whatever, and the

1788
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 2: other mafioso's drive him slowly through the town and everyone's

1789
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: like taking shots and celebrating, and I go, what are

1790
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 2: they doing? And she goes, She goes, this is actually

1791
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: not unheard of in like certain parts very you know,

1792
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: very very poor areas of South America, especially like you

1793
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 2: know in the in like the favelas or the ghettos.

1794
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 2: They'll take somebody who dies and they'll ride them around

1795
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 2: or you know, have them out in front of everyone

1796
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 2: partying and celebrating for one last ride. I don't know

1797
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: what that's called or how pervasive it is, but it

1798
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 2: was certainly kind of like they all do the actual

1799
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 2: weekend at Bernie's bit, Yes, they do.

1800
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: You know the Katie Vick story in WWE, In like

1801
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, Vince McMahon approved a storyline in

1802
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: which they would sleep with a dead body, this girl

1803
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: Katie vic. It was they would like have sex with

1804
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: her in coffins on the camera. Yeah, really really bad

1805
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: stuff there, Luke. Okay, great, Hey, did you ever see

1806
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: Weekend at Bernie's two? I saw in the theater the

1807
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: worst movie of all time? Did you see it?

1808
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 2: No?

1809
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh, So they go to Jamaica and every time Bernie

1810
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: hears reggae music, he stands up and walks. It's great.

1811
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: It's great stuff. All right, Well that brought the show down.

1812
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of WWE, Luke, we had virtual fans there in

1813
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: their new Thunderdome. Only these fans are on screens at

1814
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:51,879
Speaker 1: their house, and somebody put up a picture of murderer

1815
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: Chris benois yic.

1816
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 2: That is cold man, That is cold.

1817
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: Only that wasn't the worst of it. Somebody wore a

1818
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: KKK robe during it. They also put a isist execution

1819
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: video on one of the screens. Yeah, there's some gross

1820
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: people out there in the world.

1821
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a little bit more, a little bit more

1822
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 2: screening of some of these folks.

1823
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be nice, please please, all right, Hey, let's

1824
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: go back to some fighting.

1825
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 2: All right.

1826
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: This is man versus machine, public works, public Worksky versus

1827
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: a lawnmower, Luke, I got this ten eight lawnmower. Check

1828
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: this crap out.

1829
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 2: Look, you know what, I've always wanted to drive those things.

1830
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: The best part about this video, if you can track

1831
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: it down, is that there's a couple in the car

1832
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: just laughing at him for five straight minutes. I would

1833
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: totally sit there and film this. This is great. That's

1834
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: great theater.

1835
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be some mode ass grass boy.

1836
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right. Hey, let's move on here, Luke.

1837
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: Remember that stupid ass scene from a great movie above

1838
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: the Rim from the nineties when Nutso is playing hoops

1839
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: on the roof with Leon and he goes up to

1840
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: slap the backboard and he falls off the building and dies.

1841
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 1: Look you remember this crap?

1842
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, great movie right.

1843
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: Just not realistic though, Luke. Not realistic. Shout out to

1844
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: Leon there though, dunking on eight foot hoops and wearing corduroys.

1845
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Check out this in Europe. Though very realistic. Not So

1846
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: would die after the first layup, Luke, what is happening?

1847
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: What? What are these overly white gentleman doing? What on

1848
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: earth could be the benefit of this except for some

1849
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 2: b roll.

1850
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, what happens if you uh yeah, I

1851
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: mean you get one, You probably get one shot out

1852
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: of that.

1853
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 2: Ball, right yeah, and then there's no hustling. I mean,

1854
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, you got to play that one real slow like, Luke.

1855
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: I'd play you on that core. I would take you

1856
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: to the whole billy hole. I would body you in

1857
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 1: the paint, knock you right.

1858
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 2: Off with it. I would just let you have it.

1859
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: I would not Yeah, no, thank you, I'm good, all right.

1860
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: And they got this little mini stonehenge to hold the

1861
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: thing in there.

1862
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: That's probably Russia. I mean, this is where all this

1863
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: stuff emanates from. There's a lot of people have time

1864
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 1: out there. Shout out to our Russian fans. By the way, Hey,

1865
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 1: speaking of that power couple, I hit you up on

1866
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: early Coach Littory and Mike Perry. Did you see the

1867
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: picture of them in matching bathing suits that's floating around

1868
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: the internet, Luke.

1869
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 2: Your thought someone photoshopped it, But yes, it's nice.

1870
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: That's a photoshop you're saying yes.

1871
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 2: Are you sure, BC? Do you not see that there

1872
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 2: are Yes, of course, I'm sure.

1873
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that's photoshopped. I think he's doing it

1874
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: out of solidarity.

1875
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: He loves her, Luke, BC, it's photoshops.

1876
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: Okay, well I thought it was a thing because apparently

1877
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: dudes now are wearing these things called bro kinys. Luke,

1878
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: what would it take for you to put your man

1879
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: bag inside one of these?

1880
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 2: Luke?

1881
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: Can we advance the film? Jay?

1882
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 2: Please?

1883
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: This is a thing people are doing this brois No.

1884
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 2: No, wow, that is uh it's like a George the

1885
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 2: Animal Steel thing. Huh.

1886
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: Well yeah, look at the unit on that guy. Indeed,

1887
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: I mean it's not too different from like toga party

1888
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: type stuff, right. Can we can we throw to one

1889
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: of the greatest toga parties of all time? Yes? Shout

1890
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: it out, senior year Bayside.

1891
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 2: I like how there's the woman in the bikini and

1892
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: the only thing you're focusing on that picture is the

1893
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 2: dude's package.

1894
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: It's a oh yeah, yeah, well let's it go. There

1895
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: have been famous brokinis in the past. You said George's

1896
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: Animal Steel, but I think you did mean Andre the Giant.

1897
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,879
Speaker 1: But I can't think that this uh, this this idea.

1898
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 1: Imagine that the crafts that guy would take. Could you imagine?

1899
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean he's got toddlers that are coming out

1900
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: of his rear end.

1901
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: Look, they said he you would have to use the

1902
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: tub in most hotels, and that on a plane he

1903
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: would stay in his seat and they would just put

1904
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: a curtain over him and they'd give him like a pot.

1905
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: Could you imagine sitting in the road behind that yuh.

1906
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I have flown Southwest?

1907
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: Yes, first bag, it's free.

1908
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 2: Luke.

1909
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: Okay, hey, let's go on. What is Luke Thomas? Like?

1910
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: Every row Southwest, every aisle comes with a free chamber pot.

1911
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: Well, the first thing that I do is make him

1912
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: toss my salad, all right, Luke loves animalon anamalon human

1913
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: violence coming your way here, Luke, this clip nearly set

1914
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: a record for most donks sending it to me. But

1915
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 1: this horse, Wow.

1916
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,799
Speaker 2: That horse is like not today, buddy.

1917
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Is that Dennis sever with the spinning back kick? That

1918
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,839
Speaker 1: is some stiff strikes right there? Wow?

1919
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: I wonder if that is Aaron Pico's horse with the

1920
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 2: hose sized dong.

1921
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 1: Which I have asked him about it's it's it's real.

1922
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: That is not a prosthetic, Luke. That is insane. All right, Hey, Luke,

1923
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 1: I need you to tell me what's going on here?

1924
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: I think it's Russia. It's from over the weekend? Is

1925
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: there a senior MMA division? Look at this guy in

1926
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 1: the blue with a fantastic knockout and then watch the celebration.

1927
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 1: What does he think he's Elvis Rodriguez? What's going on here?

1928
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 2: Oh? Snab, look at that old bastard?

1929
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Is that old like Tatara? Who the hell is this guy?

1930
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: Oh? It's like two contestants from the Biggest Loser at

1931
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 2: like week sixteen?

1932
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: That split was surprising, Luke. I gotta what seriously, what

1933
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: type of legit injuries would you if you right now

1934
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: went for a split, Luke, what would be the outcome?

1935
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 2: Oh? I tear my crotch. I'm not limber at all.

1936
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 1: All right, all right, it's stupid human tricks time, Luke.

1937
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 1: Uh do you write this as impressive or ridiculous? This

1938
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: lady on the exercise bike in the gym? Wow?

1939
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 2: Why are they always white? Always bro?

1940
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if Karen can pull off moves like that, Luke,

1941
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 1: you you should you should uh think about U swipe

1942
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: into the right you know.

1943
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 2: You know Karen was in between waiting for Uh to

1944
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 2: speak to the manager. Had quite a few tricks.

1945
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: All right, hey, web Scream is the biggest supporter of

1946
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: this show. He's got quite a few tricks. Here's his

1947
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: creation of the week. Check out this MK switch. Who Luke,

1948
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: what are you? I mean? I think you became infinitely

1949
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: more handsome with that switch. What do you think?

1950
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,480
Speaker 2: I look like a woman who's trying to be I look,

1951
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 2: I honestly look like somebody who is transitioning. Honestly, I

1952
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 2: don't even mean that as like a joke. I mean, like, sincerely,

1953
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 2: I don't.

1954
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 1: No, you do? Yeah, that that was that was very apt.

1955
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know if we're allowed to laugh at that legally,

1956
01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, Luke, that does make the rediculousness of

1957
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: your beard front and center when you put it on

1958
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: my mug.

1959
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:11,440
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, but you look great. You don't think you do?

1960
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 2: You look like This is the first time I've ever

1961
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 2: looked at you and been like, wow, he probably does

1962
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 2: read books.

1963
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: I look distant, difficult, militant.

1964
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 2: You know, you look approachable right there?

1965
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: All right? Hey, that got Hey it's MK Merch Update time.

1966
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: We love our people who are out there on show

1967
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: dot store dot com checking out our stuff, sampling it

1968
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: for them. Hey, take the Pepsi challenge, as Luke would say,

1969
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: let's start off with here, Brent at the Brent car

1970
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Cup of Joe in the Morning, Top of

1971
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: the Morning to you, Brent. Shout out to that as well, Yeah, badass.

1972
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, let's go over to Colorado. My sister

1973
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: Jen putting on the T shirt there?

1974
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: All right, it's a cute dog too, man.

1975
01:32:57,479 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Very cute dog. Yes, yes, I believe that's my nephew.

1976
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: Is that dude?

1977
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1978
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, let's keep rolling on here. Tom Kinsley

1979
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: at Kinsley ninety two on ig Luke, You're gonna love this.

1980
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: He put his lady in the MK sweatshirt. But look

1981
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 1: at what this guy's wearing on vacation.

1982
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 2: He's got the old live Chat T shirt.

1983
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: It's amazing promotional malpractor are those things still in print?

1984
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: Can we still order that?

1985
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 2: I think I think they might be. Actually, yeah, I

1986
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 2: don't think I sell very many him anymore.

1987
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, Well, these clothes not only look

1988
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: good on humans, Luke they look even better on animals.

1989
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 1: Can we go to the dog here, Willy Randolph? You

1990
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,879
Speaker 1: know whose dog that is? That is? You know Mniche

1991
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: on our team, you know men, Yeah, that is Mniche's dog,

1992
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Willy Randolph. Look at this guy a stud, right that is?

1993
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 2: I mean that pooch has some crooked ass teeth, but

1994
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:47,480
Speaker 2: he is adorable.

1995
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, shout out to Mniche. By the way,

1996
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: that's a soulful white man. Have you heard his music?

1997
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 2: No?

1998
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: All right, well, nice endorsement. Just the same, Luke, let's

1999
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: close on this. I don't really understand what's happening here,

2000
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: but you like the football, So tell me this guy's

2001
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: shit his pants? Or what what is the doctor doing?

2002
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 2: Look, this is me before pepto bismol. This is step one.

2003
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: I could see you in Abuelo doing this before you

2004
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: start the show all day, sitting in the chair. You

2005
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: don't want to swap ass. You get out that what

2006
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: is that? What are they shooting chalk?

2007
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, did he cramp or something and

2008
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 2: they're trying I don't know, I don't know exactly what

2009
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 2: they're doing. Or did he get stung by an insect

2010
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 2: that sometimes happens. I'm not I b C. Will you

2011
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 2: do this for me later in life, this marriage between

2012
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 2: us and winds up working well? Will you? You know? I

2013
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 2: don't know dry Ice my rear end. No no, no,

2014
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 2: no, no no.

2015
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 1: What player is that? Is that Coca.

2016
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: Cock? You mean Caca? It's hilarious and he's Brazilian, although

2017
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 2: I think this is a Brazilian team.

2018
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, that's all the I got for this week.

2019
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:01,600
Speaker 1: I hope you've seen it.

2020
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 2: Luke.

2021
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: We don't score big every week. We try though, Okay,

2022
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 1: thank you.

2023
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, you had some good ones in there. BC.

2024
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 2: It is time for odds and ends. What do you

2025
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 2: got for us on your odds and ends?

2026
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Uh? Rip to We've seen a bunch of deaths, John

2027
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 1: Thompson just as we were getting ready for this show,

2028
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 1: the Great Georgetown Coast. Yes, but I did want to

2029
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: and I was a big Georgetown fan of the nineties,

2030
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: so that, yeah, that one hit me particularly hard.

2031
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 2: Luke.

2032
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know him though, Just so you know, you

2033
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 1: know who I didn't know well was Cliff Robinson. Shout

2034
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: out to the NBA great Luke.

2035
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 2: Who uh, look at Jay? Look at Jay getting his block?

2036
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: Can you follow the script here. Cliff Robinson was a

2037
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,680
Speaker 1: Yukon star. I obviously grew up and live in Connecticut.

2038
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: He was a solid NBA veteran. He played for eighteen years. Luke,

2039
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: he was on Survivor, one of my favorite shows. He's

2040
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: CBS vehicle. But Luke, I have to shout this man

2041
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 1: out for one other reason. I don't know if I

2042
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 1: ever told you this story, but take me back to

2043
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: I think I did once two thousand and five ish six.

2044
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm in the New Jersey. Now that's locker room for ESPN.

2045
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: It's early in the day. It's just Cliff Robinson and

2046
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: two ladies from the from Europe who are reporters ish right,

2047
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: and Uncle Cliff walks in and went from zero to

2048
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: ball bag in like two and a half seconds. And

2049
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if you gotta let me search it and.

2050
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 2: Say, were you confused whether or not it was Cliff

2051
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 2: Robinson or Aaron Pico's horse.

2052
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I was a guest, and I mean

2053
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: it was only I mean, to be honest, it was

2054
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: only two inches Luke from the floor. And uh, he

2055
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: kept a conversation going with uh with those women the

2056
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,639
Speaker 1: entire time. It was Uh, it was an old school

2057
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: dirty move. Shout out to the great Cliff Rominson played

2058
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 1: for many of teams. UH loved him in the early

2059
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: days in the finals with the Blazers. Athletic can show

2060
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 1: you could do some things, so uh l ip quickly

2061
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: as well. I had teased up that Australian super Bowl

2062
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 1: of boxing last week, Tim zo against Jeff Horn, and

2063
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: yes I was wrong. The Australian legends who also picked

2064
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: Horn by stoppage was wrong. Luke. An absolutely fantastic performance

2065
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: from young Tim zoos son of the Hall of Famer

2066
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: Coasta Zoo, who looked so much like his daddy in there,

2067
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 1: was poised, was countering perfectly. To be honest, Jeff Horn's

2068
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 1: a good fighter, you know, whatever you want to say

2069
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: about him. He made Jeff Horn look like a raw amateur.

2070
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:30,800
Speaker 1: Zoo dominated. Eventually Horn quit on his stool and this

2071
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: was the type of victory where it's not like, you

2072
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: know what other domestic names down Under can we get

2073
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: him in there against. It's I think Tim Zoo's of

2074
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 1: the world level. It will be fun to see where

2075
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 1: he will fit in in that larger one hundred and

2076
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,839
Speaker 1: fifty four pound picture. He's you know, he's still climbing,

2077
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 1: still has less than twenty fights under his pro belt.

2078
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: But that was a manly win. That was a statement win.

2079
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I ate some crow there and I

2080
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: enjoyed watching that, So shout out.

2081
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, And then for my odds and ends,

2082
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 2: I will say over the weekend, not really combat sports related.

2083
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:05,799
Speaker 2: Chadwick Boseman, the actor, died of cancer at age forty three.

2084
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 2: This is the guy that played, among many other roles,

2085
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 2: Black Panther. Interestingly enough, he made something like eight movies

2086
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 2: or more between twenty sixteen and his untimely death, and

2087
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:18,600
Speaker 2: that was when he was diagnosed with cancer, which was

2088
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: he I guess he was about thirty nine years of

2089
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 2: age in twenty sixteen. He still made the Black Panther movies,

2090
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 2: Infinity War, Endgame, and I think either five or six

2091
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,759
Speaker 2: other ones, which would be, as I wrote on Twitter,

2092
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 2: prolific by any standard, shocking giving his illness. And then

2093
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 2: more to the point, just an absolute fighter of this guy.

2094
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 2: I mean, he wasn't just merely in shape for the movies.

2095
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 2: He was in like superhero shape at times, all while

2096
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 2: battling colon cancer. It's incredible. And the other point about

2097
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 2: Chadwick Boseman. First of all, Howard DC alumnus, so you

2098
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 2: know down the street from me, which was kind of

2099
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 2: cool little connection. But the real big story here is

2100
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 2: this is a guy who, at age forty three, he

2101
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 2: is untimely deaf. Number one, he played Jackie Robinson, he

2102
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 2: played James Brown, he played Thurgood Marshall, and certainly T'challah

2103
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 2: the King of Wakanda, is not a real character. But

2104
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 2: in terms of playing iconic Black characters, let's say, whether

2105
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,679
Speaker 2: fictional or real, this guy had more than the Holy Trinity.

2106
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 2: He had four of them, three real ones and then

2107
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 2: maybe the most important one as far as fictional characters go,

2108
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 2: at least for the modern age and superhero movies. An

2109
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 2: incredible run, an incredible legacy. And this is what I

2110
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 2: always tell folks about Black Panther. It's like, oh, I

2111
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 2: don't want messaging in my movies. Got great news for you.

2112
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 2: Black Panther is a great movie. No matter what's your angle.

2113
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about any kind of messaging

2114
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 2: or whether or not it could have been told with

2115
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 2: a different kind of character. It's just so good you

2116
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 2: have to like it. The fact that it told the

2117
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 2: story that's Franklin undertold kind of story about in Africa

2118
01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:01,679
Speaker 2: unaffected by colonization and slave, about one that's technologically ahead

2119
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: of its peers, about one that could lead the world

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Speaker 2: frankly in the universe in innovation and technology and in

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Speaker 2: frankly self love and be proud and everything. It was

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Speaker 2: an incredible, incredible run that this guy had. Quite a

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Speaker 2: shame that it came to a close at age forty

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Speaker 2: three BC. But man, if you're gonna do it, you

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Speaker 2: do it like Chadwick Boseman, I say that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean our discussion about how much you should

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Speaker 1: moren celebrity, that's notwithstanding this was obviously a shocker because

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Speaker 1: he hadn't made it public, But you just nailed that

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Speaker 1: one thing. To be able to be this prolific and

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01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: important roles that mattered artistically, culturally and beyond and know

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Speaker 1: of his you know, impending demise, that's like humbling, inspirational

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Speaker 1: sad all at the same time. Wow, to be able

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Speaker 1: to I mean this is you know, this is like

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Speaker 1: like walking away at the very peak of what you

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Speaker 1: put out there and the imprint you were starting to

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Speaker 1: make as a as an important actor. That this is

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Speaker 1: certainly one that hits hard, and you challenged me to I,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, hadn't seen a lot of these films,

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01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: and you challenged me to go back there, and I watched.

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Speaker 1: I watched Black Panther, and I was thoroughly impressed. This morning.

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Speaker 2: I've actually not seen the Jackie Robinson movie, but I

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01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 2: saw I've seen Get On Up, and I saw the

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01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,679
Speaker 2: third Grad Marshall movie during the Quarantine, which was surprisingly good.

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Speaker 2: And then obviously I've seen Black Panther, An Infinity War

2145
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 2: and Endgame. I mean, it was you know, I'll say this.

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01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 2: Part of the thing that made his death so shocking

2147
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 2: was that nobody when we said nobody mean us Jabbroni's

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01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 2: we didn't know. We had no clue that he was

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01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: suffering from this, And it just goes to show man,

2150
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: you just don't really know what people are going through.

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Speaker 2: I thought this guy was on top of the world,

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01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 2: and in many ways he was. In many ways he

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01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:58,679
Speaker 2: was absolutely not. I'm in awe of his grace under

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01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 2: the challenges, and you know, I have a completely different

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01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 2: life than this guy. But I just mean, if I

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01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 2: can have that kind of poise and bearing under those

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01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 2: kinds of constraints. I'll be doing half as good as

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01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 2: he did. I'll be doing something pretty right. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna make Chadwick Boseman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna make going back and rewatching those performances,

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Speaker 1: you know a lot heavier knowing you know how much

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01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 1: he put into it. You know, whether he knew this

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01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: was his window to make this impact. And the clock

2164
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 1: was ticking, and obviously you know, if you can take

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Speaker 1: anything positive from this is that the clock is ticking

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Speaker 1: for all of us. So go do that.

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Speaker 2: Do it?

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, go get out there and do that thing,

2169
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: all right. You want to make a combat sports show

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Speaker 1: with really gross jokes in it, Go out and do

2171
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Speaker 1: that thing, all right?

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Speaker 2: All right? You see, well I have to go to

2173
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 2: an HR meeting here. We ran a little long.

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Speaker 1: Good time, good timing after this show. Look, that's probably

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Speaker 1: the perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is, I'll say this. Please get the video

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Speaker 2: thumbs up, subscribe to the channel. If you want to

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2180
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Speaker 2: If you like it, keep it. If not, you can

2181
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Speaker 2: go and do your thing in another part of the world.

2182
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Speaker 2: We have our merch up on the show store. I

2183
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 2: think it's was it. Let me see if I get

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Speaker 2: the website right, it is store dot show dot com.

2185
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 2: Sho got our own dedicated page. Now thanks to you

2186
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 2: folks out there, we really appreciate it. And as I

2187
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 2: told folks at the beginning of the show BC, we

2188
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,640
Speaker 2: are full time. Now, we're gonna slowly move into that

2189
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 2: it's going We're gonna take our time. We're not gonna

2190
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 2: rush it, but believe me, we're gonna have plenty of

2191
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Speaker 2: content coming for you at my Instagram, at your Instagram,

2192
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Speaker 2: at my Twitter, at your Twitter, and then you can

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Speaker 2: see the show there.

2194
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Hey sure falls are the rumors true that you reached

2195
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 1: out to Webscream and said, paint me like your French girls.

2196
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually did reach out to him for some

2197
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 2: help on a project and shocker, he was superb at it.

2198
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 2: So I really appreciate that from him as well.

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Speaker 1: Quick roll call on shout out shout out to our

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Speaker 1: guy LA Chargers Wide Receivers coach Phil mcgagan, who got

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Speaker 1: so much needed press for they Do you see him

2202
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Speaker 1: tear some a holes on Hard Knocks there on episode

2203
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: Shout out to Phil a future head coach in the

2204
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: making right there. Big fan of that guy. He loves us.

2205
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 1: Shout out to the people, the great people from Tula Trees.

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Speaker 1: Look you down with this company out of Australia. They're

2207
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Speaker 1: big MK fans. They make man shower and bathroom life

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Speaker 1: so much cooler and organized. They have turned around my

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Speaker 1: shower life, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, so they actually sent us both products and mine

2211
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,600
Speaker 2: truly and this is not a joke. Mine never made it.

2212
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 2: Mine got lost. So they sent me another one which

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Speaker 2: arrives on Wednesday. So I'm looking forward to seeing that

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Speaker 2: when he gets here. All right, very good.

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Speaker 1: To all the good people out there.

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Speaker 2: Thank you well, thank you to everyone. Yes, thank you

2217
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,719
Speaker 2: to everyone who made this possible. The new era has begun.

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01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna ease our way into it, but once we

2219
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,680
Speaker 2: hit the gas there will be no break. Thank you

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Speaker 2: to MAKA, Thank you to Showtime, Thanks to everyone who watched.

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Speaker 2: For Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas and until next time,

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Speaker 2: may all of your gains be loyal.

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Speaker 1: Assa