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Speaker 1: We continue on here at the NFL Combine. This is

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Speaker 1: day number three. It's Thursday. For context here on radio,

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Speaker 1: row Casey Valley's long. I'm Matt Taylor and joining us

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Speaker 1: now to talk NFL Draft. You see him all the time.

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Speaker 1: You hear him on ESPN Radio during the draft. He's

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Speaker 1: on Get Up, He's on Sports Center, He's everywhere. Jordan

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Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com. Good to see you again, man, This

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Speaker 1: is your number three for us visiting with you at

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Speaker 1: the combine. Absolutely mad. It's always a pleasure of being here.

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Speaker 1: Like I'll sell you guys pre show, it is pulling

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Speaker 1: for us to talk about. Yeah for sure. Now, before

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Speaker 1: we get into some of these quarterbacks and some of

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Speaker 1: these draft speculation topics that we have for you, what

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Speaker 1: is your favorite Because you're a you're a newbie to this, right,

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Speaker 1: so what so far? What is your favorite draft ritual

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Speaker 1: or tradition that you've been able to establish in the Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to get the strump cocktail, of course. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I get that every year and even though it burns

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Speaker 1: I have to get that the first time I come here.

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Speaker 1: That's like my welcome to the comfine, like okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: Um No, I mean that's pretty much the stop off

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Speaker 1: Light it up. Oh, I look to see if the

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Speaker 1: Cyrus Halliburton man play in person. Absolutely. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get right after a gunslinger. Wise, these quarterbacks, Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys to choose from a lot

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Speaker 1: top four where the colts are at right now, which

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Speaker 1: of these guns slingers are you most bullish on? That

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young of Alabama, the player that I liked the

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Speaker 1: You just have to be comfortable with him being an outlier.

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Speaker 1: But the only way Anthony is going to get better

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