Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it is the Queen Extreme fran Scene and
Speaker 1: you are listening to Eyes up Here with Francine on
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio network or wherever you get your podcasts. As always,
Speaker 1: I am joined by my co host Chad. And Chad
Speaker 1: we got carried away on this Tuesday episode that we
Speaker 1: had we had to take it to Earth Day. I
Speaker 1: thought we were going to be able to cover this
Speaker 1: in about forty minutes, when we were not, and there
Speaker 1: was so much that we had left to cover, so
Speaker 1: we decided to make it a two parter. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: how you doing.
Speaker 2: You are right, I'm doing great now. This is like
Speaker 2: it was getting so like intense and you hit the
Speaker 2: part where I was like, you know what, this is
Speaker 2: where we have to start the next part of the
Speaker 2: conversation because when Brett Hart puts that little nu I'll
Speaker 2: get out there about Owen Hart's death, it's like that
Speaker 2: to be is like for them to have that out
Speaker 2: in the world, that's a huge thing to say. So
Speaker 2: that's where we'll pick it up.
Speaker 1: Okay, So before we start, for anyone just tuning in,
Speaker 1: if you have not listened to Tuesday's episode, I suggest
Speaker 1: you go back and listen to that one first, and
Speaker 1: then come back over here because we are talking about
Speaker 1: the mister McMahon documentary that aired on Netflix, and we're
Speaker 1: a little late to the party, I admit, but I
Speaker 1: watched everything and we're giving our thoughts. So we did
Speaker 1: one through four, and then in the middle of four
Speaker 1: we had to stop because we had talked so long
Speaker 1: we had to make it a two parter. So now
Speaker 1: we're continuing episode four about Brett Hart. Episode four was
Speaker 1: the Attitude Error, and Brett Hart made a very bold statement,
Speaker 1: as I said in the last episode, he says, is
Speaker 1: it because I left WWF that my brother, you know,
Speaker 1: did they basically rig it to that Owen Heart would die?
Speaker 1: He's insinuating that the cause of death was by WWF
Speaker 1: because he walked out, and which I thought was ridiculous. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like is that revenge for me? On? Come on? Like, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. And when he said that, I was flabbergasted.
Speaker 1: I was like, do you really believe that they would
Speaker 1: put a hit on someone just to get back at you? Terrible?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did in the moment at least, yeah, at
Speaker 2: least in that emotional like a couple of I mean,
Speaker 2: could look in ninety nine, So we're a year and
Speaker 2: a half for so removed from November ninety seven. He
Speaker 2: was still at odds with Vince and the WWF, and
Speaker 2: it was not pretty and they were still slinging mud
Speaker 2: left and right. I mean, he had said some you know,
Speaker 2: nasty stuff about Earl Hebner that was out there on
Speaker 2: the sheets, you know, and they were just it was
Speaker 2: not an easy time to be Brett Hart against the WWF.
Speaker 2: So for him to feel that way at the time,
Speaker 2: I'm sure was very you know, justified. And then you know,
Speaker 2: i mean, throwing it out there, you know, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to hear the scrutiny. It's it's awful to hear
Speaker 2: all that stuff back, and to watch all that stuff
Speaker 2: back and see the clips of the guys and what
Speaker 2: was going on backstage. I mean, it's it's incredible to
Speaker 2: see that people had to live through all that live well.
Speaker 1: Here, yeah, here's here's the thing. And this is another
Speaker 1: reason why I don't like Vince McMahon. At times, they
Speaker 1: go over Owen Hart dying that evening on the pay
Speaker 1: per view, right, tragic, tragic thing that happens live. You
Speaker 1: tend to think of these guys and girls as your family.
Speaker 1: I refer to ECW as my family. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: my extended family. These are my brothers. Right. How do
Speaker 1: you think that they felt to learn that one of
Speaker 1: their not only co workers, but brothers, so to speak,
Speaker 1: just died in the ring and now you're expected to
Speaker 1: go and wrestle in that very same ring where he
Speaker 1: just passed away?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How do you do that to somebody? And then they
Speaker 1: go to Vince McMahon, Well, I'm a businessman, The show
Speaker 1: must go on? Are you kidding me? I am sorry.
Speaker 1: I think every person in that arena would have understood
Speaker 1: that they would have to call the show because Owen
Speaker 1: Hart just passed away. Yeah, how heartless that that? That?
Speaker 1: Now that was the flip side of Vince Tommy enduring
Speaker 1: an episode one I want to punch in an episode four.
Speaker 1: My stomach turned like hearing him. I never heard him
Speaker 1: say those words the show must go on? What if
Speaker 1: God forbid Stephanire Shane was harnessed and they fell, would
Speaker 1: the show go on?
Speaker 2: What Bret Hart says, Yeah, when Shane McMahon gets dropped
Speaker 2: from the top of it.
Speaker 1: Was your child or something happened to Linda? Would the
Speaker 1: show have went on. If the answer is yes, you
Speaker 1: are a heartless bastard. To me, I don't know how
Speaker 1: they worked. When they showed the promo from Jeff, oh
Speaker 1: my god, my heart, yeah, oh my god. I felt
Speaker 1: so bad for them.
Speaker 2: Here you go. First of all, First off, Owen Hart,
Speaker 2: I'm praying for you, buddy. Next line, Valvenus, you've been
Speaker 2: chasing these puppies around, I mean behind him.
Speaker 1: I understand they had to do what they had to do.
Speaker 1: Their heart wasn't.
Speaker 2: Into this, no all.
Speaker 1: And anybody you could tell they showed, you know, multiple
Speaker 1: performers in their face. How do you expect somebody to
Speaker 1: perform that way? I didn't see this pay per view,
Speaker 1: But was the rest of the show any good? I
Speaker 1: can't imagine.
Speaker 2: Imaginable, horrible? And you're a blood stained in the ring
Speaker 2: the whole time?
Speaker 1: That was now if you Blue Meanie went on a
Speaker 1: tirade about this and said that wasn't Owen's blood.
Speaker 2: That was there.
Speaker 1: Okay, And and if you're interested, go over and listen
Speaker 1: to his podcast because he or I think it's I
Speaker 1: don't even know that. I think it's the one he
Speaker 1: does with Conrad. But he made it a point to
Speaker 1: say that wasn't Owen's blood, but that doesn't change the
Speaker 1: fact that it was despicable that they still went on
Speaker 1: with the show.
Speaker 2: It's not a good show. It's not a good show.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't expect it.
Speaker 3: To be a good show because somebody just died. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's disgusting, really really disgusting that. That is one of
Speaker 3: the lowest things I think that ever happened in wrestling.
Speaker 3: To go forbid something like that happens, and then to
Speaker 3: keep working and making these people work. You get in
Speaker 3: that ring, you look to your left or you're right,
Speaker 3: and you know that Owen was just there prior and
Speaker 3: now he's gone.
Speaker 1: That's despicable. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Comments from Martha Hart.
Speaker 1: Recent comments, Yeah, you want to read it.
Speaker 2: With the documentary. He fails to mention is that the
Speaker 2: equipment used was never meant for a repelling stunt. Instead,
Speaker 2: a harness meant for dragging stunt people behind cars on
Speaker 2: movie shoots was used with a sailboat clip meant to
Speaker 2: release onload with only six pounds of pressure. Had the
Speaker 2: WWE hired qualified riggers who followed proper protocol that includes
Speaker 2: redundancy at its typical practice and use it correct equipment.
Speaker 2: Owen would not have died that night.
Speaker 1: Your god, unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I continue to hold the WWE and it's then management
Speaker 2: responsible for Owen's death. I refuse to let vincick Man
Speaker 2: or anyone else rewrite that history.
Speaker 1: Well she's allowed. You know, it's just a sad story
Speaker 1: all around, and it just it could have been prevented. Again,
Speaker 1: I mean, don't they did they do test runs? Did
Speaker 1: they do a series of like.
Speaker 2: You'd have to watch that dark stand? I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I think they did. I mean they always tested that
Speaker 2: stuff out. They always did that was that was always
Speaker 2: the thing. And you know they used the guys that
Speaker 2: did stings repelling, you know from the ceiling for WCW.
Speaker 2: They always tested that crap out. But whatever it was,
Speaker 2: it just did not unclip.
Speaker 1: Oh makes my stomach sick. It was just so sad
Speaker 1: to see his body lifeless in the ring, and then
Speaker 1: they showed the boys just trying to get through the night.
Speaker 1: My god. You know, you would think he would have
Speaker 1: a little more remorse for somebody who died under his watch.
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm going to say about that.
Speaker 2: Jerry Lawler. Jerry Lawler coming back to the announced booth
Speaker 2: white as a ghost and then as it looks, it
Speaker 2: does not look good. Yeah, I mean that is just
Speaker 2: a clip that lives in infamy.
Speaker 1: All Right, we will go to episode five. Do you
Speaker 1: have anything else to say?
Speaker 2: What else can you say?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's go to episode five. Episode five was
Speaker 1: about his family. You get Paul Hayman talking about Vince's childhood. Again,
Speaker 1: he does allude to the fact that he might have
Speaker 1: been abused by his mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's been said before.
Speaker 1: Many different ways, not just physical, right, which again makes
Speaker 1: you think if he's suffering sexual abuse, you know, just
Speaker 1: regular abuse by by beatings or whatever, if he didn't
Speaker 1: get any counseling or any help, or is this why
Speaker 1: he's treating women the way he is portraying them on TV?
Speaker 1: You know, I just I'm not justifying it again, but
Speaker 1: is this why his brain works the way he does?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, There's there's a there's a
Speaker 1: root cause to this. There's a problem there. And again
Speaker 1: I never knew of the upbringing that he had. But
Speaker 1: to allude that your mother might have done despicable things
Speaker 1: to you, that is that's heavy to have to carry.
Speaker 1: That's a heavy load to carry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that story has been out there for a
Speaker 2: while too, that there's that that kind of abuse was
Speaker 2: possibly happening, and does that answers a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, that could be a lot of
Speaker 2: what's going on.
Speaker 1: Well, here here we go. They talk about Triple H
Speaker 1: and Stephanie getting together, and she says she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to mention the one storyline that her dad brings up
Speaker 1: to her that she said no. But then we go
Speaker 1: to Vince and Vince goes, oh, is that the one
Speaker 1: that I said I impregnated at my daughter? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like is it again? Is this where
Speaker 1: it's stemming from sexual abuse as a child? And then
Speaker 1: you think this is an appropriate thing to put on television? Gross?
Speaker 1: Katie Vicangle, Gross, Like what do they think? What are
Speaker 1: they thinking? At least Stephanie had enough sense to put
Speaker 1: her foot down and say, no, Dad, that's pretty inappropriate,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not doing that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's disgusting.
Speaker 2: I can't they showed, I believe was it the one
Speaker 2: clip of Stephanie the long shot where they pick up
Speaker 2: her hanging over the desk, you know, and it's like
Speaker 2: the shot coming up of her from behind or something,
Speaker 2: and she's showing how they sexualized her over the years,
Speaker 2: you know, and.
Speaker 1: She yeah, they might have. I don't remember that one.
Speaker 1: They showed a lot of like Trish Stratus because she
Speaker 1: was interviewed. They showed the bar looking like a dog.
Speaker 1: Segment Stacy Keebler with her legs open and Vince's head
Speaker 1: between when she gets hired for the job. She's sitting
Speaker 1: on the desk and her legs are here and Vince's
Speaker 1: lake between her, Vince making out with Sable, Vince making
Speaker 1: out with Candice, Michelle, Vince making out with everybody, Sable, Sable.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Sable being brought up because
Speaker 2: there was an allusion to uh, I guess maybe that's
Speaker 2: we will hold off. We'll come back to see hold on. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll come back to see.
Speaker 1: The first thing they're they're so they're covering is Shane
Speaker 1: and excuse me, you're covering Stephanie and Triple H. And
Speaker 1: they they go to mention that Shane McMahon is against
Speaker 1: him being with her, which I found interesting. Shane did
Speaker 1: not want Triple H dating his sister. Vince was pushing
Speaker 1: for it. So I don't know if Shane had a
Speaker 1: disliking to Triple H back in the day or if
Speaker 1: he just didn't want the boys tarnishing his sister kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But they talked about that a little bit.
Speaker 1: They talked about how Vince was the cheerleader for Triple H.
Speaker 1: They talked about Linda, and Linda not liking performing. She
Speaker 1: said she was the worst out of the four. She
Speaker 1: didn't want to be on camera, but Vince thought it
Speaker 1: was important. Even though she wasn't the best at acting,
Speaker 1: she was part of the family and it was important
Speaker 1: to have her, you know, in the storyline. And they
Speaker 1: showed when they apparently true strategy drugged Linda and she
Speaker 1: was pushing around in the wheelchair and then them making
Speaker 1: out in front of Linda, and you know, Linda's saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's part of the story. It's heat blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and everybody was okay with it, so let's
Speaker 1: roll with it. And it's just like, okay, now, let
Speaker 1: me just.
Speaker 2: Go the bark like a dog segment with Trish, Right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: In thinking about it in the vein of a television
Speaker 2: show are And I'm not trying to condone this and
Speaker 2: saying this is a practice that if we would take
Speaker 2: the real Trish Stratus person and say this is what
Speaker 2: you have to do to keep your job. It was
Speaker 2: being used in the form of television, right, did they
Speaker 2: Did they mention how in the end Vince got his
Speaker 2: comeupp ins and was made the fool in the storyline.
Speaker 2: I don't think they did. No, they just brought up
Speaker 2: that he made her bark like a dog and wolf
Speaker 2: wolf Wolf, Vince was made to look like the asshole
Speaker 2: at the end of it.
Speaker 1: They I do remember Trish saying it was it's a
Speaker 1: form of heat and you're supposed to not and I
Speaker 1: agree with her. You know, Vince being a heel and
Speaker 1: putting Trish in that position, he got a lot of
Speaker 1: heat for it. Yeah, as a woman, I can see
Speaker 1: it in the sense of it is a TV show
Speaker 1: and it's fine with Like I thought it was heat
Speaker 1: too degrading to women. Yeah, but it's a it's again,
Speaker 1: it's a TV show.
Speaker 2: Right, But we watch movies where they do things. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: we watched movies where they can do the same thing.
Speaker 1: I know, Like you've said it wasn't like the Janelle
Speaker 1: Grant thing where he's defecating on her head and you know,
Speaker 1: telling her to do certain things to certain people and
Speaker 1: you know, pe you on command and all this weird stuff. No,
Speaker 1: it was a segment for television and it got the
Speaker 1: response that they wanted it to get. So are you
Speaker 1: a feminist that that is against this stuff? Then, like
Speaker 1: they said, turn the TV off, don't watch. It's that simple.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a woman. I didn't take offense to it.
Speaker 1: I do think some things are poor taste, but that
Speaker 1: really doesn't bother me. You know, it's degrading, yes, but
Speaker 1: it you know, it got the reaction that they wanted.
Speaker 2: To right, Yeah, just what I was reading.
Speaker 1: You know, if I was interested position, I would have
Speaker 1: did it. That segment I would have did. I would
Speaker 1: have done it. You know. Yeah, there's far worse things
Speaker 1: that people have done in wrestling that I would draw
Speaker 1: the line out. But this, eh, it's he just my opinion,
Speaker 1: don't come out me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like you know, people, he's done so
Speaker 2: many bad things. When people use storyline stuff as a
Speaker 2: example of the bad things, it's like follow the storyline.
Speaker 2: He got made to look like the asshole at the end.
Speaker 1: So it's like he's weird sometimes with his storyline. So
Speaker 1: you gotta admit, like it's part of this a fantasy
Speaker 1: that he has in his head. He's literally making out
Speaker 1: with the hottest girls in the company right over and
Speaker 1: over again. He's booking this. Do you blame him? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean he's got that power. You either make out
Speaker 1: with mister McMahon or you're out the door. Kind of ill.
Speaker 2: And his talent relations guy is finding some of the
Speaker 2: talent too, I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, what can I say? But they talk about
Speaker 1: the family. They show old photos and video about Linda
Speaker 1: and Vince getting married, which was nice to see. They
Speaker 1: talk about the feud that the family had that you know,
Speaker 1: picking side. Stephanie picked her dad's side while Shane went
Speaker 1: with the mom. Then they get into Sable. This is
Speaker 1: where they get into Sable and Vince goes to say
Speaker 1: that he doesn't remember much about the lawsuit. Do you
Speaker 1: believe it because I.
Speaker 2: Remember you remember to read a Chatterton and that it
Speaker 2: was consensual from nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't remember about Sable, which.
Speaker 2: I could it be because of Sable's husband.
Speaker 1: Well, they alluded to, like could this be a real
Speaker 1: affair or was it just a storyline? And there's a
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, I've never heard of them having an affair,
Speaker 1: have you. That's a yes.
Speaker 2: I mean things that are circulated.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've never read anything. I've never heard anything. Again,
Speaker 1: I must be the naive one between the two of us,
Speaker 1: because I don't hear anything. You're the one who gives
Speaker 1: me all my gossip. So if you heard.
Speaker 2: Something, Chadster, here's a lot of things he doesn't say allegedly.
Speaker 1: See, this is the partnership that should not be because
Speaker 1: if you do not share with your.
Speaker 2: Oh man, as there stuff I can't say. I was
Speaker 2: born to secrecy till the end. You could never.
Speaker 1: Tell me that on the internet.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no no. You know
Speaker 2: I have friends I don't and they've told me stuff
Speaker 2: I have will never I can't share ever ever ever.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Vince doesn't remember about the lawsuit, and
Speaker 1: he looked a little, uh pissed off while he was
Speaker 1: talking about it, and it was weird, so to speak.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what he was alluding to. But
Speaker 1: I've always heard that Vince was in love with sable
Speaker 1: on a sheet, So take that for what you will. Uh.
Speaker 1: They showed the Stock Exchange, New York Stock Exchange. Uh.
Speaker 1: They talked about the downfall of w c W, talked
Speaker 1: about Vince buying w c W the XFL, which was
Speaker 1: a disaster. I didn't know how much of a disaster
Speaker 1: it was. I knew, but I didn't know about the
Speaker 1: time frame and you know how how it went down
Speaker 1: seventy five percent since the first episode and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff they had stats and him being interviewed about
Speaker 1: it and looking extremely uncomfortable in the interview because the
Speaker 1: guy was just rolling on him one thing after another.
Speaker 2: Do you remember you don't remember all that rollout of
Speaker 2: the XFL. No, Because it was around the time of
Speaker 2: ECW going out of business.
Speaker 1: I didn't really pay attention to the XFL. I knew
Speaker 1: it was a football league, you know, when football wasn't
Speaker 1: around that this came up, but I didn't know like
Speaker 1: what it was actually or who was involved. I just
Speaker 1: knew it was Vince's thing.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, So I recorded. I still have it
Speaker 2: on tape. I transferred to DVD the first pregame show
Speaker 2: and the first broadcasted game that they had on Network TV.
Speaker 2: They have JR. And Jerry Lawler doing play by play
Speaker 2: of one of the games. They have The Rock doing
Speaker 2: the intro to the kickoff. Right, they have Jesse Ventura
Speaker 2: as a color commentator on one of the other games. Right,
Speaker 2: it is a WWF at the time show on Turf.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's so bad. If you're a football fan,
Speaker 2: you're trying to watch it. It's so But JR called
Speaker 2: football legit, so it's like he's he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2: But it's just it's so. It's like the B team.
Speaker 2: It's like watching like high school kids play professional football.
Speaker 1: They were showing clips and every clip was somebody missing
Speaker 1: a ball.
Speaker 2: Oh so bad, throwing a ball.
Speaker 1: Bouncing off third head, trying to catch it, they missed
Speaker 1: the play. Like they were basically saying everybody sucked in
Speaker 1: the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was for football players who could not make it anywhere, right.
Speaker 2: Right, it was amateurs. I saw I was. I loved
Speaker 2: it because Opie and Anthony did the pregame show from New York,
Speaker 2: so I recorded it because it was like getting another
Speaker 2: Opian Anthony show. But even they talked about how shitty
Speaker 2: it was Okay, it's it's great. It's such a time
Speaker 2: capsule if you look back at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they they showed that, which again I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about it, and Bob Costas is just saying
Speaker 1: that he was great.
Speaker 2: He was great.
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny to see him. Oh. They they
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about them losing the w w
Speaker 1: f UH the rights to use the initials to UH
Speaker 1: the World Wildlife Fund and what else did oh talked
Speaker 1: about John Cena? How John Cena's character wasn't really going
Speaker 1: anywhere and he was on the version getting fired. But
Speaker 1: then he was on a bus one day going to
Speaker 1: a show and there were a bunch of guys in
Speaker 1: the back of the bus and the rappin' and John's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go on the back of the bus
Speaker 1: and he starts freestyle and rapping. Little did he know
Speaker 1: Stephanie McMahon was on the bus and stuff, and he
Speaker 1: says to him, do you want to do that on television?
Speaker 1: And John's like, hell, yeah, I want to do that
Speaker 1: on television. And that saved his career because he was
Speaker 1: on the chopping block. Yeah, that was an interesting tidbit.
Speaker 2: He was horribly lame before that, his character was so bland,
Speaker 2: but well, he was prototypeing in Ov Dubb but when
Speaker 2: they brought him up, he was just generic John Cena
Speaker 2: with your local sports team's colors. Whenever he went to
Speaker 2: you know, if he was in Philly he had the
Speaker 2: green and white tights, and he was in New York
Speaker 2: he had orange and blue tights. He was so generic
Speaker 2: as just John Cena. It was awful. So yeah, that
Speaker 2: was quite the transition.
Speaker 1: Right, And then they talk about Vince declining to buy
Speaker 1: the UFC at the time, which he totally should have
Speaker 1: bought it, but you know whatever, he didn't think it
Speaker 1: was a big deal. And then the final thing about
Speaker 1: this episode is Shane leaving w w E. They did
Speaker 1: show a promo about Janelle Grant's lawsuit at the end
Speaker 1: of this episode. So again, Shane McMahon, my favorite McMahon
Speaker 1: always was, always is always will be. I should have
Speaker 1: wore my darn it, I should have wore my Shane
Speaker 1: McMahon jersey that I have from one.
Speaker 2: You have a Shane O mac jersey. I do.
Speaker 1: My husband bought it for me.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, look at you, Shane O mack.
Speaker 1: You I think it's I think it's the one from
Speaker 1: one of the pay per views. I think there's like money,
Speaker 1: here comes the money, or something's.
Speaker 2: On the back of it.
Speaker 1: But it's the cool one that buttons down the front
Speaker 1: like a hockey jersey, but it buttons the baseball jersey.
Speaker 1: I guess it is.
Speaker 2: Are we going to do the breaking news when he
Speaker 2: debuts on AW or what?
Speaker 1: And is that I've been waiting with it.
Speaker 2: Coming, It's coming. It's definitely coming very soon.
Speaker 1: Well I can't wait for it to come because I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm chomping at the bit to see him there. The
Speaker 1: last episode was titled The Finish and it basically covers
Speaker 1: the last ten years and Vince leaving. The first thing
Speaker 1: that they show or clips from WrestleMania twenty three, and
Speaker 1: they showed Donald Trump. They show a lot of Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, whether you like him
Speaker 1: or not, he was pretty damn good in the world
Speaker 1: of professional wrestling. He was much deserving of his Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame spot. Don't you think that.
Speaker 2: Was a great angle. We've got a lot of eyeballs.
Speaker 2: Him and Vince had a great chemistry. He threw a
Speaker 2: mean slap to Vince Yeah, and can't take a stunner.
Speaker 1: But no, but he got to shave his head, which
Speaker 1: was cool.
Speaker 2: He got shave Vince's head. But he every time he
Speaker 2: and he Hey bought Monday Night Raw later on, he
Speaker 2: was he was always good. Did they show the clip
Speaker 2: of him and the Boogeyman?
Speaker 1: I don't think so they showed they They showed a
Speaker 1: lot of like the bald It was, yeah, like Vince was.
Speaker 1: Vince was in front of a picture of Donald Trump
Speaker 1: balled and then Trump was in front of a picture
Speaker 1: of Vince ball Ye the face off, and then they
Speaker 1: actually showed a little bit of the match, and then
Speaker 1: they showed him shaven.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a there's a segment that maybe it's a
Speaker 2: wrestlemate before perhaps, but there's a segment that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: does with the Boogeyman, you know, when a Boogeyman does
Speaker 2: like the creepy pop up from somewhere. Yeah, the comedic
Speaker 2: timing is out of this world because Trump does like
Speaker 2: one of those like looks at him. You know, Boogeyman
Speaker 2: has to like scurry away because he does like you know,
Speaker 2: it's just I'll send.
Speaker 1: It to you.
Speaker 2: It's very funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so after they show this, they show
Speaker 1: the storyline about Vince wanting to die and when he
Speaker 1: gets in the limo and they blow the limo up right,
Speaker 1: and then it's like okay. They show like a visual
Speaker 1: and a candlelight thing with Vince's picture and deceased two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven or whatever it said on it. But
Speaker 1: then that had the halt because Benoir, the stuff with
Speaker 1: Chris Benoa happens, and at first they do a tribute
Speaker 1: show because they didn't know the details of what happened.
Speaker 1: But then as the story breaks, turns out we all
Speaker 1: know the tragedy, you know, Vin, excuse me, Chris, Nancy
Speaker 1: and their son died, and the story is told that
Speaker 1: it was Chris taking everybody's life and then taking his own,
Speaker 1: which is horrible, absolutely horrible. So you know, Vince didn't
Speaker 1: want to go that route with you know, killing himself,
Speaker 1: so they had to backtrack do something different.
Speaker 2: I was at the show where they played the Vince
Speaker 2: graphic uh following the explosion, and it was such poor taste.
Speaker 2: While the the it was all unfolding, it was I mean,
Speaker 2: everybody hated it at the time. Nobody liked the storyline.
Speaker 2: Nobody liked the angle. The biggest thing to come out
Speaker 2: of it was that Paul London got a ton of
Speaker 2: heat for smiling during the somber Yeah, the very somber
Speaker 2: walk Vince had to the limo and Paul London big
Speaker 2: grin on his face. But I remember it just like
Speaker 2: people were booing the you know, the graphic when it
Speaker 2: popped up. It just it was such a stupid angle
Speaker 2: at the time, Yeah, made no because you know he
Speaker 2: was going to come back, you know, like it was.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It was one of those things where were starting to
Speaker 2: get like ridiculous what they were doing with mister McMahon,
Speaker 2: because it's like, what else could you do with him?
Speaker 2: He's already like lost a company ten million times, He's
Speaker 2: fought every babyface as the evil owner of the company.
Speaker 2: Now he's dead, and now he didn't come back. So
Speaker 2: it's like when all the Benwa stuff happened on the Monday,
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, well they got to scrap that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And he goes on to say like how
Speaker 1: people were calling to make sure he was alive, Like
Speaker 1: Donald Trump called and said, is Vince okay? Are you okay?
Speaker 1: And like some of the boys were like, did Vince die?
Speaker 1: Is he okay? And it's like, dude, if you don't know,
Speaker 1: that's work okay with Trump. But everybody else like, do
Speaker 1: you think they would show his demise on television?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 1: You know, it's corny, it's hokey.
Speaker 2: Right, and that's the kind of stuff like I just
Speaker 2: shake my head when I hear this.
Speaker 1: I hear you. Well, they had Brian Gertchwitz, Brett, Steve,
Speaker 1: everybody was sharing thoughts about, you know, Chris ben wom
Speaker 1: what happened and this gets into this was really interesting interesting.
Speaker 1: Chris Newinsky comes on, and you know, he's been an
Speaker 1: advocate for CTE for like the longest time and has
Speaker 1: been doing research for years, and he was one of
Speaker 1: the first people that said that Ben Wall had CTE.
Speaker 1: And this shocked me. When Steve Austin said he doesn't
Speaker 1: believe in it, Yeah, I was shocked to hear that
Speaker 1: because I think it's a real thing. Undertaker was saying
Speaker 1: he was mad that you know, he's old school. He's
Speaker 1: mad that the chair shots to the head were taken away,
Speaker 1: but he does understand why because of you know, it
Speaker 1: affecting people's brains and you take one too many chair shots.
Speaker 1: That's not good so for but for Steve Austin to
Speaker 1: say he doesn't believe in it that, I just was left.
Speaker 1: I'm founded with that one.
Speaker 2: I was a shocker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was kind of a weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: you believe what you want to believe, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: And they show the clip. They show the Owen pile
Speaker 2: driver that analyzed him broke his neck and uh, you
Speaker 2: know when he said, oh, I was dumped on my
Speaker 2: head once and that was you know, they showed the clip.
Speaker 2: I would shudder to think that Steve Austin has had
Speaker 2: many a concussion over his career, and you know, maybe
Speaker 2: he's lucky enough to not suffer some of the effects
Speaker 2: that some of the other guys do. Unfortunately, but it's
Speaker 2: kind of well documented. Especially let's take wrestling out of
Speaker 2: the equation. Okay, wam, it's gone. The NFL players that
Speaker 2: are suffering now and who have passed away and have
Speaker 2: documented CET A brain scan it is. I was shocked
Speaker 2: by his comments that he was not believing in CT
Speaker 2: and man effacts. Very surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I just was like, oh, come on,
Speaker 1: like I usually agree with Steve on a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but this one, I was just like bro wrong. CT
Speaker 1: is a real thing. I remember. I remember before Shannon
Speaker 1: pissed away Daphne, she told me, she said, I told
Speaker 1: my father, I'm donating my brain. Yeah, she swore she
Speaker 1: had CT. She swore she had it. I am not
Speaker 1: sure if they ever went through with it, but I
Speaker 1: remember her telling me over and over again, I have CT.
Speaker 1: I know I have CT, and I'm just like sad.
Speaker 2: It's incredibly sad. I spoke with the guy who played
Speaker 2: in the NFL last week and he was telling me,
Speaker 2: you know, I asked, how do you feel? And he said, well,
Speaker 2: outside of how many times I was hitting the head
Speaker 2: during my career, I feel great. And he noticeably, and
Speaker 2: I've worked with this guy in about two years, he
Speaker 2: was noticeably slower in every respect that I had for
Speaker 2: a question just in general, how are you or is
Speaker 2: this date okay?
Speaker 1: And uh?
Speaker 2: And working with him two years ago, maybe even a
Speaker 2: year and a half just and his response was, outside
Speaker 2: of all the hits I took thirty years ago, I'm fine.
Speaker 2: So that doesn't tell you that there's there's long term effects.
Speaker 2: Super shocked by stone cold Steve.
Speaker 1: Austin, Yeah, that's pretty sad. Phil much Nick was in
Speaker 1: this a lot. You don't like him?
Speaker 2: Eight his guns wrote, I wrote my senior my my
Speaker 2: senior year in high school, like dissertation on how much
Speaker 2: I disliked Phil much Nick.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, in watching him on this doc, I I
Speaker 1: kind of admire him for taking the initiative to tell
Speaker 1: it like it is and to pull no punches as
Speaker 1: a reporter. He just talks about the quality of life
Speaker 1: changes he's seen in wrestlers over the years. And you
Speaker 1: know it's true. The older we get, we're decaying faster
Speaker 1: than the normal human being. It's trauma. But I don't
Speaker 1: care how many people say, well, you go to wrestling school,
Speaker 1: you learn how to take a bump. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you learn how to take a bump. Taking a
Speaker 1: bump is not normal. It is trauma on your body.
Speaker 1: You just fall one time in regular life, and you
Speaker 1: can screw up your whole skeletal system with one fall. Okay,
Speaker 1: imagine doing it for a living and bumping night after
Speaker 1: night after night after night. Some night you might fall
Speaker 1: flat on your back. Some night you might hit your head.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you might land on your shoulder, or your hip wrong,
Speaker 1: or your tailbone. Your body will never be the same again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So compared to like a normal person, we're aging quicker
Speaker 1: and our bodies are rapidly destroying themselves. It's just inevitable.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get better. My neck is never gonna
Speaker 1: get better. My back is never going to get better.
Speaker 1: And I didn't do half the stuff that the pro
Speaker 1: wrestlers who wrestled every single lean and took multiple bumps in.
Speaker 1: I took maybe two three bumps a night for seven
Speaker 1: years in a row, which is bad. You know, that's
Speaker 1: not good. But when you're doing a match and bumping
Speaker 1: twenty thirty times a night, that takes another level of
Speaker 1: a toll on your body. Right, So you know, I
Speaker 1: agree with Phil. Your way of life is not going
Speaker 1: to be good when you're sixty, seventy eighty years old.
Speaker 1: It's just it's proven. Look at most of these guys walking,
Speaker 1: they can't even walk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's very true. Absolutely, Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1: I think that's a.
Speaker 2: Fairy fair fair to say. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, you know, Phil Phill's on the money, and you
Speaker 1: can't argue that fact. And I think every you know,
Speaker 1: some wrestlers are luckier than others, but some are mostly
Speaker 1: dependent on pain pills, which is sad, you know, because
Speaker 1: that's when you see them. They're they're falling asleep at
Speaker 1: their tables when they're supposed to sign and stuff, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, people pin them. Oh you're a
Speaker 1: drug addict, right, Well, why did I start to take
Speaker 1: these drugs? Because my body is killing me and I
Speaker 1: can't cope with the pain exactly, So how are you
Speaker 1: supposed to live? You think a tile on all is
Speaker 1: going to do it? No, it's not so if you
Speaker 1: you don't walk these guys' shoes, you can't answer that question.
Speaker 1: So you hear from Phil who you hate.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then we talk about the Undertaker and he talks belt
Speaker 1: his his winning streak, ending that he didn't know I know,
Speaker 1: they make it a thing.
Speaker 2: They didn't need to be on their like this is
Speaker 2: where it was stupid, you know, and all those things
Speaker 2: they threw in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it wasn't stupid because he had a concussion.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know that all right? That part, yes, it
Speaker 2: ties in.
Speaker 1: He had a concussion and he still went I think
Speaker 1: he said like twenty twenty five minutes afterwards, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't remember any of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that parts the concussion.
Speaker 1: But then Vince says, well, he was traumatized by losing
Speaker 1: the belt, that's why he didn't remember, Not because he
Speaker 1: had a concussion. Vince tried to say he was so
Speaker 1: upset because he had to drop the strap, that's why
Speaker 1: he didn't remember the match, but Taker saying, no, I
Speaker 1: hit my head. I had a concussion, and that's why
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of the match. So they're talking
Speaker 1: about CTE concussions. So yeah, it did happen.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I'm confused with another part.
Speaker 1: Then okay, but you know hearing Vince saying he was
Speaker 1: too traumatized to remember, too traumatized by the loot, the
Speaker 1: winning street coming to an end by losing. Are you
Speaker 1: serious You can't admit that the guy had a concussion?
Speaker 1: Does he think Taker was lying to him? Wasn't there
Speaker 1: medical in the back telling him, yeah, you're concussed, you
Speaker 1: have a concussion.
Speaker 2: If anybody was as loyal as Soldier to him, it
Speaker 2: would be him. So the Undertaker, I think you listen
Speaker 2: to what he was saying.
Speaker 1: For sure. God. So then they they say how they
Speaker 1: have to go to PG programming. Now they talk about
Speaker 1: the Women's Revolution for like a minute, and then they
Speaker 1: showcase Shane McMahon coming back to WWE after several years
Speaker 1: of being away and he gets to work with the
Speaker 1: Undertaker at WrestleMania thirty two. Then Taker says he would
Speaker 1: take a bullet for Vince, and it is very clear
Speaker 1: that this was filmed. They keep saying this was filmed
Speaker 1: before the Janelle Grand incident. So it's like, okay, you
Speaker 1: would take a bullet for him? Would you take a
Speaker 1: bullet for him? Now? Is anybody's opinion different now than
Speaker 1: it was when you sat down and did this interview?
Speaker 2: I mean I listened to a lot of clips that
Speaker 2: are out there from Undertaker's podcast, and I don't hear
Speaker 2: him speak any differently.
Speaker 1: So he okay, so he's remaining a loyal soldier. But
Speaker 1: there how about everybody else?
Speaker 2: You know, I'd venture to think that. I mean John Cena,
Speaker 2: you know, in the very.
Speaker 1: Business, John Cena's back kind of you know, doing his
Speaker 1: retirement thing.
Speaker 2: So you've seen it publicly said, you know, he felt
Speaker 2: for Vince McMahon and what he was going through, and
Speaker 2: that you know, he's he's there for his friends when
Speaker 2: they need him and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So why would he say any different? Like I just said,
Speaker 1: he's back with the company doing his whole retirement thing.
Speaker 1: He's still when do you think that's with me? And
Speaker 1: the first thing you think of is WWE. Even though
Speaker 1: he's not physically a part of that you know company anymore,
Speaker 1: he's still going to be a name associated to them.
Speaker 1: So I don't think anybody that is involved with WWE
Speaker 1: is going to talk about him negatively. I think fear
Speaker 1: wise or anybody who thinks they can get a Legends deal,
Speaker 1: or who think they can get something from the company,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think the people who
Speaker 1: are vocal just don't give a shit and are telling
Speaker 1: it like it is because they don't care. They have
Speaker 1: nothing to lose. There's no dog in the game, right.
Speaker 1: If you have something to gain from it, then you
Speaker 1: have to watch your p's and q's because you still
Speaker 1: have a big man there kind of sort of through
Speaker 1: Triple H. You know, Stephanie pop Up. Is she going
Speaker 1: to come back at some point? We don't know. No
Speaker 1: one knows. So I feel like if you work for
Speaker 1: that company, you have to dance around the subject and
Speaker 1: that's why not a lot of people are going to
Speaker 1: talk about it. But it's just funny because all of
Speaker 1: these you know, these interviews were done before the news
Speaker 1: came out, so you have to keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: Vince was asked if he would retire, he said no.
Speaker 1: Everybody else said they'd never see Vince retiring. What does
Speaker 1: it go to him retiring in twenty twenty two only
Speaker 1: to come back in twenty twenty three. And then they
Speaker 1: interviewed Bruce Pritchard and he feels like they look back
Speaker 1: on the whole doc and Bruce says, this is it's
Speaker 1: a hip piece, just to make Vince look bad. And
Speaker 1: then he goes into what Vince did for his wife
Speaker 1: when his wife was sick, And I get that. I
Speaker 1: get that Vince was good to him. I understand it.
Speaker 1: He has a different relationship with Vince than a lot
Speaker 1: of people do, so I can understand the loyalty. But
Speaker 1: there's got to be part of you, even if you
Speaker 1: don't want to say it publicly. There's got to be
Speaker 1: a part that says this behavior is not right. But
Speaker 1: can he say that publicly? Again, No, he cannot, even
Speaker 1: though he might think it. He can't say it. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't you even think McMahon questions what he did? You know,
Speaker 1: do people who commit crimes show remorse afterwards and realize
Speaker 1: what I did was wrong? Some do and some do.
Speaker 1: Do you think Vince McMahon has a conscience. Do you
Speaker 1: think the power or hungary maniac who ran that company
Speaker 1: has a remorse about how he treated some of the employees,
Speaker 1: some of the boys, some of the staff. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that person, but I
Speaker 1: get where Pritchard's coming from because he has that different relationship.
Speaker 1: So after they talked to Bruce, they say two days
Speaker 1: after that the interview was filmed, all the details of
Speaker 1: Janelle Grant's lawsuit become public, and then they talk about
Speaker 1: Vincent's legacy in the business. This was again in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one and twenty twenty two, So you would come
Speaker 1: to think what they answer different now? Is his legacy
Speaker 1: tarnished because of everything that popped up, all that we know? Now?
Speaker 1: Does that take away from what he did for the business.
Speaker 1: My answer is no, it doesn't. I separate the two.
Speaker 1: I can, just like with ben Law, I see a
Speaker 1: brilliant performer in Chris and Law. Few could do it
Speaker 1: better than him in the ring. As a person, it
Speaker 1: was terrible what he did. And again, was it a
Speaker 1: sickness due to CTE Will never know. We'll never know,
Speaker 1: But poor Nancy and poor Daniel. My heart breaks for
Speaker 1: those two. You know, it's like, just do it to yourself.
Speaker 1: Don't hurt anybody else. You want to be gone, Just
Speaker 1: just do it to yourself. You know they're innocent, innocent
Speaker 1: little boy. But I can separate that and look at
Speaker 1: his performance. Doesn't mean I have to like the person.
Speaker 1: And this is the same with Vince McMahon. Vince McMahon
Speaker 1: was a brilliant booker, a brilliant businessman. You know. He
Speaker 1: came from dirt, poor nothing and made a multi billion
Speaker 1: dollar company and carried it on his back. His character
Speaker 1: was one of the best heels I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my life, and I loved to hate him. But as
Speaker 1: a person, the more I find out, the more sick
Speaker 1: I become. But I separate the two right, because that's
Speaker 1: the only way you can. It doesn't because he's a
Speaker 1: shitty person doesn't make his performance shitty. No, he was
Speaker 1: brilliant before we found out he did all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Why would you take the brilliant away from him? You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't take away talent like that. So for me,
Speaker 1: like I separate the two. But then you know, they
Speaker 1: the episode just goes into Vince being on to investigation.
Speaker 1: It talks about brock Lesnar being involved and that Janelle
Speaker 1: Grant's lawsuit is on hold while federal investigation is still ongoing,
Speaker 1: and that's how it ended. So I would have loved
Speaker 1: for them to incorporate her. I get why she wasn't
Speaker 1: on it. I understand all that, you know, she can't
Speaker 1: talk about it or whatever, but I would have loved
Speaker 1: more like maybe another part and they covered the lawsuit
Speaker 1: and they covered what was in the paperwork, and you know,
Speaker 1: because that stuff was just wow. I read her and
Speaker 1: it was like wausers, you know what I mean. Interesting.
Speaker 1: But overall for me not wanting to watch it, I
Speaker 1: will say I did enjoy it. I did. I'm glad
Speaker 1: I watched it. I was happy I watched it. For
Speaker 1: all those who keep saying I'm not going to watch
Speaker 1: it because it's things I already know, there might be
Speaker 1: things you don't know or quote notes that you weren't
Speaker 1: privy to prior, so I would definitely recommend it if
Speaker 1: you're a wrestling fan, if you're a WWE fan, if
Speaker 1: you're a Vincementman fan. I am happy I watched it.
Speaker 1: I will admit the only reason why I did watch
Speaker 1: it is to do this this podcast and do a
Speaker 1: recap because everybody was asking me. But I'm glad I did.
Speaker 1: And it was entertaining, and again, parts were endearing and
Speaker 1: parts were I want to punch you in the face,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So I love seeing the footage. I loved that backstage
Speaker 2: footage that they showed that you I'd never seen before.
Speaker 2: To me, I'm right where you are. It doesn't separate,
Speaker 2: or it doesn't change. I separate the two, you know.
Speaker 2: When I want to watch any kind of wrestling, I
Speaker 2: put on old school, I put on stuff that I like.
Speaker 2: I you know, it's still new to me, even though
Speaker 2: I might have seen it a hundred million times. I
Speaker 2: love it, and most of the time it's got Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon's signature on it. So I can't do anything about that.
Speaker 2: I can't change that. He created the world that made
Speaker 2: me interested in the wrestling business. It made me Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon's world made me interested in wrestling. Vince McMahon and
Speaker 2: his world made me discover ECW and then WCW and
Speaker 2: the nWo and everything else, and even every character I've
Speaker 2: ever seen on TV is because I started watching what
Speaker 2: he created. I can't separate that. I can't separate that,
Speaker 2: and I can like what he did and not like
Speaker 2: what he's done in his personal life, so I can separate.
Speaker 2: He's not a great person, but he's the PT Barnum
Speaker 2: of the pro wrestling world.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, And I think, you know, you need to
Speaker 4: look at it with an open mind, because if you don't,
Speaker 4: it's like you're never you don't meet your heroes kind
Speaker 4: of thing.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna be able to separated, and then you
Speaker 1: can't enjoy things anymore. You know, half of Hollywood are
Speaker 1: dirt bags. Right. If I knew the legacy and the
Speaker 1: person behind every motion picture, I wouldn't want to watch it.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Ditty and all the stuff
Speaker 1: that's going on with him, and you know, am I
Speaker 1: not gonna listen to so and So's music because they
Speaker 1: were at a ditty party. No, I'm still gonna listen
Speaker 1: to whoever I like, but as a person, you know, sketchy, right,
Speaker 1: same with Hollywood. You know, like there's certain people in
Speaker 1: Hollywood that were on that list. Does that make them
Speaker 1: a bad actor? Hell no, But as a person, whatever
Speaker 1: they're doing, it makes me question their integrity. But it
Speaker 1: still doesn't mean that, you know, they're all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they're a shitty actor. Ah, they're still a good actor.
Speaker 1: It's just that they're a shitty person. But I learned
Speaker 1: how to separate the two a long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Again, just my two cents. You
Speaker 1: don't have to take my word as gold. You decide
Speaker 1: what you want to decide to do. But overall, out
Speaker 1: of five stars, i'd give this doc a solid four
Speaker 1: because I did enjoy it. I just feel like they
Speaker 1: could have included a little more, a little more with
Speaker 1: Today's case I would have liked to see, but otherwise
Speaker 1: interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the whole thing, so inconclusive for me,
Speaker 2: But what I saw I enjoyed, and everything that was
Speaker 2: on there. You know, I've already heard before, so it's
Speaker 2: just a elaborate retelling.
Speaker 1: It's okay, But.
Speaker 2: Liked what I saw, A good production value. You know.
Speaker 2: And for those somebody said to me, I can't remember
Speaker 2: if it was my brother. If you read me a
Speaker 2: quote from somebody said, you gotta remember remember everybody who's
Speaker 2: watching Netflix is about two percent of the actual wrestling fans.
Speaker 2: So these are people discovering this for the first time.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Well, then they're really going to enjoy it because
Speaker 1: they don't know anything. So there you go. So there's
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Speaker 1: All right, November is a very busy month for the Queen.
Speaker 1: I have Rhode Island Comic Con November one, second and third.
Speaker 1: I'll be signing along with the Dudley Boys, and I
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Speaker 1: I will be at the Big Event in uh where's
Speaker 1: that at Long Island?
Speaker 2: Big Event Long Island, yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, Suffolk Suffolk Credit Union Arena in Brentwood, New York.
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Speaker 1: that's on November ninth again, I think it's from like
Speaker 1: ten to three or something. And then the Big One Wrestlcaide.
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