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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A young mom is shopping at the grocery store for

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Speaker 2: items for Thanksgiving, chatting on the phone with her mother

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Speaker 2: trying to get a recipe, and then she's never seen

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Speaker 2: alive again.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and Sirius XM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: How did the whole thing start? Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 3: Twenty nine year old Kelsey Barett reported missing by her mother, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: Woodland Park Police Commander Chris Adams says a few days

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Speaker 3: after Thanksgiving, her cell phone pinned nearly eight hundred miles

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Speaker 3: away outside Gooding, Idaho, not far from where she has family.

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Speaker 3: Her brother traveled to her home in Colorado, and after

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Speaker 3: coming through her home, he is certain Kelsey did not

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Speaker 3: pass to go anywhere. Nothing was taken from her home.

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Speaker 3: Her cars are still in Colorado. The only thing missing

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Kelsey bare goes missing, the home apparently untouched, no struggle,

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Speaker 2: nothing taken. What happened to Kelsey? I want about her?

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Speaker 2: Baby girl with me an all star panel to make

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Speaker 2: sense of what we have learned. But first to crimeoline

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Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrest Chuck. Alexis, tell me

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Speaker 2: about the video, the surveillance video in that grocery store

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Speaker 2: that captured Kelsey walking along and we now know speaking

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Speaker 2: to her mother about a Thanksgiving recipe.

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Speaker 1: You know, no matter how.

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Speaker 2: Many times I make homemade dressing, I still ask my

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Speaker 2: mom about it, same thing, A lot of chopped onions,

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Speaker 2: a lot of chopped celery, to where you think it's

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Speaker 2: really too much, but it all melts away into the dressing.

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Speaker 1: I go through the same thing. I make the same corn, read.

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Speaker 2: Chop, squish it up with my hands every year. But

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Speaker 2: I still ask her, and I wonder. I've always wondered,

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Speaker 2: was that what Kelsey was talking to her mother about.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what she was doing day before Thanksgiving on

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Speaker 4: the phone with her mom. She's getting ready to have

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Speaker 4: make her own meal and she's just walking through the store.

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Speaker 4: She's pushing the cards that she's chatting on the phone,

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Speaker 4: not a care in the world. And that was the

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Speaker 4: last time she was seen in public.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about an incredible young woman. Kelsey Barris,

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Speaker 2: the mother of Kelly, just fourteen months old, when her

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Speaker 2: mom goes missing. Now tell me about Kelsey. I want

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Speaker 2: to know some more, but first listen to our friends

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Speaker 2: at crime Online.

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Speaker 3: Cheryl Barret spoke to her daughter Kelsey the morning of

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving Day. It was a normal conversation. Kelsey asked for

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Speaker 3: a recipe that she needed. Later that day, Kelsey Bareth

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Speaker 3: was captured by store security cameras at a Safeway store

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Speaker 3: shopping with her daughter. That is the last known time

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Speaker 3: Kelsey Bareth was seen in public. Patrick Frazy is Kelsey

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Speaker 3: Bareth's Beyonce. He told police he last saw Kelsey on

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Speaker 3: No one has come forward to say they saw or

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got her covered through Thanksgiving. On Thanksgiving morning,

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Speaker 2: she's speaking to her mother about that same recipe that

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Speaker 2: She sees the fiance who they're set to Mary, he's

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Speaker 2: It's like you just cut the TV off. There's nothing there.

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Speaker 2: Who is Kelsey Bareth? Very often, let me go to you,

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Speaker 2: doctor Jory Elk crawls and joining a psychologist, former law

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Speaker 2: enforcement also faculty Saint Leo University and consultant with the

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Speaker 2: Blue Wall Institute. You can find him at doctor Jury

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Speaker 2: Jo R e Y dot com.

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Speaker 1: Dr Drury. I always look at the.

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Speaker 2: Victim when I can't figure something out, not to blame

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Speaker 2: the victim, but to figure out their lifestyle. For instance,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to look at where is she advertising, who

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Speaker 2: Is she likely not to come home one night and

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Speaker 2: at the track record. You'll look what they've done before.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to be able to predict future behavior,

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Speaker 5: probably been repeated several years in her life. She's in

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Speaker 5: all this is very predictable, and then all of a

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Speaker 2: And according to witnesses that I've spoken with, she would

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Speaker 2: She wasn't leaving Kelley unattended. The fiance come to pick

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Speaker 4: No, she wasn't at all, And she had never done

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Speaker 4: She never there was never anything childish because services was

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Speaker 2: She was completely devoted to Kelley, which makes her disappearance

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Speaker 1: So who's Kelsey Barrett? Listen?

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Speaker 3: Twenty nine year old Kelsey Barrett grew up on a

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Speaker 3: Her boss says her desk at work had photos of

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Speaker 3: Cheryl said Kelsey was a great mom, her daughter was

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Speaker 2: Just thinking this whole thing through, I mean. Cheryl McCollum

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Speaker 2: a star of a hit knee podcast series Zone seven. Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: you and I have investigated so many cases where our victim,

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Speaker 1: As any other life is.

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Speaker 2: A dope addict, a dope dealer, sometimes a sex worker,

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Speaker 7: So when you're looking at is this person doing anything

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Speaker 7: She's a pilot, she works at a base where there's

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Speaker 7: She doesn't gamble, she doesn't use drugs. She isn't with

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Speaker 2: I ask you a question, Cheryl McCollum. Of course, very often,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not judging. I don't care you hear moms

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Speaker 2: she didn't go for me time. She wanted one thing.

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Speaker 1: She wanted to be with that baby.

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Speaker 2: You know, so I believe, Cheryl McCollum that you have

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Speaker 1: But this is woman back to the case. She didn't

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Speaker 7: It's funny because even when my scissors and I playing

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Speaker 6: So I agree this woman.

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Speaker 7: What was she doing the last day she was ever

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Cheryl, right there, she's making Thanksgiving dinner,

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Speaker 1: She was cooking dinner.

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Speaker 1: That's not happening.

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Speaker 2: No, So she was planning to be there that night,

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Speaker 2: Kelsey Bareth was planning to be there that night Prime

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: In addition to doctor Jewry Cheryl McCollum, Alexis Terreschuk. Is

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Speaker 2: Eric Fattus joining us out of this jurisdiction in Colorado

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Speaker 2: partner of Varner Fattus elite legal. Now I didn't learn

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Speaker 4: Is that true?

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Speaker 8: There is and it solely exists here at our ferm

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Speaker 4: That's where it is.

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Speaker 2: Eric Fattis joining me from Varner Fattus. This is the

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Speaker 2: part I like, former felony prosecutor criminal defense attorney. Now

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Speaker 2: you can find them at Varnerfattus dot com. Eric, what

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Speaker 2: we're doing right now, and I'm sure you've done it

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Speaker 2: a million times as a prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: You sit around with your colleagues.

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Speaker 2: Now, I know that starts like you're going to have lunch,

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Speaker 2: you're having a good old time.

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Speaker 1: But what you're doing is you're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about all the facts of the case, because each

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Speaker 2: fact can be broken down and could very well be probative,

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Speaker 2: All right, Then her mother speaks to her on Thanksgiving morning,

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Speaker 2: she's still cooking. She's asking it again about this recipe.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? That means she was cooking dinner

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Speaker 2: and she planned to be around that evening for Thanksgiving dinner.

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Speaker 2: If you break apart each fact, which is your duty

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Speaker 2: to do as a prosecutor or a defense attorney, you

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Speaker 2: kind of get into the mind of the victim.

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Speaker 1: You can parse a fact, slice it.

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Speaker 2: Up, and realize it proves so many different things.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Nanta, I mean you've got to explore the nuances

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Speaker 8: as a prosecutor, right, these small details can really elucidate

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Speaker 2: Of course that's not true. They're just trying to spare

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Speaker 1: Who were they? I want to know who's coming over

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Speaker 2: I want to know every single thing, right down to

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Speaker 2: there was no turkey dinner. That never happened.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 3: The following week, another text was sent to her fiance.

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Speaker 2: When the person starts missing work, Alexis Treschuk, this is

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Speaker 2: a woman that had gone out and gotten her pilot's license.

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Speaker 1: She was a professional pilot. She bought her own home.

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Speaker 2: She was raising her daughter alone with the biodett having

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Speaker 1: She was doing it all on her own.

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Speaker 2: She never missed a work appointment, she never missed a flight,

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Speaker 2: And now she calls in sick, No, no, no text texts.

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Speaker 1: And then her phone is pinging. Where did her phone

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Speaker 4: Alexis Trestchuck, eight hundred miles away in Idaho. And she

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Speaker 4: didn't just say I'm going to be out for one day.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's not what you tell your boss if

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Speaker 4: I'm not coming in fine. A week is not how

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Speaker 1: And what about your baby?

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Speaker 2: Have you made any arrangements for someone to take care

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Speaker 2: This is where I am. Here's my location. In case

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Speaker 4: Right, none of that, No, nothing at all, nothing nothing.

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Speaker 2: You do know when I go to any courthouse like

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Speaker 2: I was just in Idaho, I'm Brian Coberger. I was

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Speaker 2: just at the Ego Black Courthouse for your Vandersloot's sentencing,

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Speaker 2: they can't talk see the twins. So you want to

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Speaker 2: tell me Kelsey bears just takes off for a week

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Speaker 1: FaceTime, to talk, nothing with the baby, Kelly. I don't

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Speaker 6: No, there was.

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Speaker 4: She was sending text messages. Family's getting a text message.

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Speaker 2: A baby doesn't want a text message, Alexis.

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Speaker 1: No baby wants a text. Babies don't have cell phones, Alexis.

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Speaker 2: They want to talk to mommy, they want to see mommy,

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Speaker 1: But then the day's drag on.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to Chief Miles de Young from Woodland PD.

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Speaker 9: Based on information developed during the course of this investigation,

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Speaker 9: our investigators believe that Kelsey's disappearance is more suspicious in

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Speaker 9: We are looking at all avenues and our focus is

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Speaker 9: on finding Kelsey. Investigators of Tina search warrant today correction

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Speaker 9: yesterday on a property nearby in Teller County, Colorado. That

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Speaker 9: search is currently being conducted. This property is where Patrick

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Speaker 2: So her Kelsey Barrett's phone payings eight hundred eight hundred

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Speaker 2: we are asking Patrick to sit down with an investigator

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Speaker 9: Kelsey face to face. Based on our investigation, there have

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Speaker 9: been numerous questions about whether Patrick is a suspect or

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Speaker 9: every possibility and I'm not willing to jump to conclusions

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Speaker 10: What was the probable cause.

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Speaker 8: To search the home?

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Speaker 9: So in order for us to get a search warrant

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Speaker 9: all I can comment on that sealed search warrant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why did it take so long?

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Speaker 2: And to you Eric Fatt as partner Varner Fattus Elite

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Speaker 2: Legal in that jurisdiction of Colorado. Could you explain in

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Speaker 1: You don't need to impress us with Latin phrases.

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Speaker 2: The difference between a POI person of interest and a suspect.

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Speaker 8: You know, these are terms of art that law enforcement uses.

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Speaker 8: You know, suspect is when you know, they really believe

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Speaker 2: Would you agree, Eric Fadas, You started off by saying

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 2: If the cops say you're a suspect, then all sorts

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Speaker 8: Certainly once they're being interrogated by law enforcement, maybe they're

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Speaker 2: And of course, doctor Jory Crawson. Of course you're going

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Speaker 1: You're the first suspect.

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Speaker 2: They're looking at you first, because statistically, doctor Jory Craws

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Speaker 5: And that would be being a police officer too in

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Speaker 9: And why did it take so long.

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Speaker 6: Before the homework start?

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Speaker 9: That's a very good question. Why did it take so

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Speaker 10: And your remarks you just said that you were asking

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Speaker 9: To have him sit down with one of our investigators,

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Speaker 9: and that's what we're asking for, is just for him

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Speaker 11: Have you asked him outside of this press conference to

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Speaker 1: Is he refusing that conversation begetting.

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Speaker 9: With us through his attorney. That's about all I can.

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Speaker 1: Did he deny you're searching the residents to begin with?

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Speaker 2: That's just part of the investigation speaking to us through

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Speaker 2: a warrant search my whole place. Search my car, search

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Speaker 2: And now this guy will only speak to the PD

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Speaker 6: Really, that's a big old red flag.

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Speaker 7: And the other thing is we already know she's the

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Speaker 6: And then we work backwards talk to her mama.

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Speaker 7: She wanted that recipe to feed how many people? One,

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Speaker 6: Because here's what we know.

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Speaker 7: There weren't a whole bunch of guests that showed up

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Speaker 7: it she reported missing earlier?

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Cheryl exactly. So the chief of police is being

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Speaker 11: There I blood all over the coorb.

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Speaker 1: The wall, follow on the wall, and.

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Speaker 11: I didn't see anything or the perfectly hold between the bathroom. Okay, so, but.

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Speaker 1: There might have been one.

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Speaker 10: anything here, but I don't spyfically remember, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I like the thing.

442
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Speaker 1: I like the toilet, the bottle of toilet.

443
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Speaker 11: I turned on the power and there was.

444
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Speaker 6: Off in the bottom.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see anything in the bottom of the power.

446
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Speaker 2: She's as calm and cool as a cucumber, isn't she?

447
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Speaker 1: I mean, did you hear what she says? I walked.

448
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Speaker 2: When I first walked in, I saw blood all over

449
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Speaker 2: the floor. I saw blood up the wall. There was

450
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Speaker 2: a lot of blood on the floor, all over the floor.

451
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Speaker 2: There may have been bloody footprints. I wiped the sink down,

452
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Speaker 2: I wipe the toilet. At the top of the toilet,

453
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Speaker 2: I turned on the shower just in case there was

454
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Speaker 2: stuff in the bottom.

455
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Speaker 1: She sounds like she's reading off the grocery list.

456
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Speaker 2: I'll take a pound of ground beef and let's see

457
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Speaker 2: some tomato paste. That's what she sounds like to Tim Gallagher,

458
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Speaker 2: a special guest joining US Medical Examiner for the State

459
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Speaker 2: of Florida, lecturer University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine,

460
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Speaker 2: and importantly the founder of the International Forensic Medicine Death

461
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Speaker 2: Investigation Conference. You can find him at pathcaremed dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Gallagher, how much blood is in the human body, Well, there.

463
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Speaker 12: Are approximately five leaders of blood in the human body.

464
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Speaker 12: That's about five quarts of blood in the human body.

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Speaker 12: In order to get somebody to die from the sanguination,

466
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Speaker 12: which is the loss of blood, they must lose about

467
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Speaker 12: three quarts of that blood, you know, to enact the

468
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Speaker 12: fatal response.

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Speaker 2: So you are saying the human body has about five

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Speaker 2: quarts of.

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Speaker 12: Blood, exactly right. It has about five quarts of blood,

472
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Speaker 12: a little more, a little.

473
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Speaker 1: Less, a little over, like a gallon of milk.

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Speaker 6: Right about it.

475
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Speaker 12: If you think about a gallon of milk and then

476
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Speaker 12: a quart of milk sitting next to it, that's about

477
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Speaker 12: how much blood the average human body has.

478
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Speaker 1: In it is.

479
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Speaker 2: It based on how big the person is, Like a

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Speaker 2: person that weighs one hundred pounds has less blood than

481
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Speaker 2: a person that weighs three hundred pounds.

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Speaker 12: It is and also depends on what's going on with them.

483
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Speaker 12: For instance, women typically have a little bit of a

484
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Speaker 12: little less blood, but if they're pregnant or if they're heavy,

485
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Speaker 12: they do their body does tend to produce extra blood

486
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Speaker 12: to compensate for the extra issue and compensate for the

487
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Speaker 12: extra weight, even compensate for the fetus that may be

488
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Speaker 12: just dating inside of her. So it just depends on

489
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 12: a lot of things. But on the average at least

490
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Speaker 12: a gallon, if not more than that.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking this through that this woman, Crystal Lee Kenney

492
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Speaker 2: as I call her, the Rodeo Queen, and I call

493
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Speaker 2: her that because she was voted the Rodeo Queen, goes

494
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Speaker 2: into this home and she sees Cheryl McCollum about a

495
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Speaker 2: gallon of human blood all over the floor, up the walls.

496
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Speaker 2: Does she call nine one one, No, she doesn't call

497
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Speaker 2: nine one one. She starts cleaning up.

498
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Speaker 1: And if I'm right, Alexis.

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Speaker 2: Terreschuk, didn't she have on like I has matt suit,

500
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Speaker 2: a protective suit with rubber gloves.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're pre cat.

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Speaker 4: She has booty gloves, a white suit at a sing

503
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Speaker 4: on her hair hair not She was fully like, breaking bad?

504
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Speaker 7: Would that be a good comparison.

505
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Speaker 2: So, in other words, she didn't go in and was

506
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Speaker 2: surprised Cheryl McCollum. She went in with her mop and

507
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Speaker 2: broom and her rubber gloves and booties on.

508
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, there was nobody better than you to paint

509
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Speaker 7: a picture for a jury, so I want to try

510
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Speaker 7: to paint a picture. There was blood on the floor,

511
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Speaker 7: on the walls, on the carpet behind the sofa, on

512
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Speaker 7: the window, fields, on kitchen applanch is, on the pillows.

513
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Speaker 6: On the sofa.

514
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Speaker 7: But let me tell you she found blood flattered on

515
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 7: the baby stuffed animals. She found so much flattered with

516
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 7: blood that she filled six trash bags of items she

517
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Speaker 7: couldn't clean.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about this mom who was planning this

519
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: beautiful meal for her family. She's gone, her phone is

520
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: paying eight hundred miles away, and now you've got her

521
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: fiance's mistress waltzing around cleaning it up with a mop

522
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Speaker 2: in a room. No wonder the place looks spotless when

523
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Speaker 2: police got there.

524
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Speaker 1: Listen, did you see that you clean off some of

525
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Speaker 1: the plans?

526
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 8: I did?

527
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Speaker 1: I wipe the p There was blown in front of

528
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Speaker 1: the dishwasher.

529
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 11: There was blowing in front of the boat.

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Speaker 2: There was that finamonal hand had blood.

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Speaker 7: On the well.

532
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Speaker 10: Ahamed, okay, son, go back.

533
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Speaker 3: There was a ten foil on top.

534
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Speaker 7: And what did you do with the ten foil?

535
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 12: The game?

536
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Speaker 6: Right?

537
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: Okay?

538
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: There would hop up hoping her that would blood.

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Speaker 10: In fact, I had a pima under of them on

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Speaker 10: fire up, Hya, how would you?

541
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Speaker 2: And more?

542
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Speaker 3: I moved to the cat.

543
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Speaker 11: I wiped the cap off. There was one behind the

544
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Speaker 11: couch down the wall. There there are one dan important dand.

545
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Speaker 10: Right there by the couch and the lamp and.

546
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Speaker 11: That basket were on it. I worked from that pick

547
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Speaker 11: all the way around, did the other fair and then

548
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Speaker 11: I did the bathroom and.

549
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Speaker 2: The kitchen and mom or so she cleaned off the

550
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Speaker 2: coffee maker, She moved the couch. She lopped and cleaned

551
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Speaker 2: and shined and sparkled.

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Speaker 1: The entire home. But there's more blood. Listen, was there

553
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Speaker 1: any blood?

554
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Speaker 12: There's blowing chair, there's blowing in the chair, there's blowing

555
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Speaker 12: people there's blown mag was getting there.

556
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Speaker 1: Blood everywhere. So did she call nine one one?

557
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: No, she did it to you. Alexis Teroschuk. What happened

558
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: to Kelsey Barren?

559
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Speaker 4: Her fiance, the father of her child, murdered her. He

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Speaker 4: planned it four months and he even tried to get

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Speaker 4: this girlfriend to do it with him. He tried to

562
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Speaker 4: have her poison her. He said, you need to go

563
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: fill up her Starbucks cup of coffee with poison and

564
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Speaker 4: give it to her. He was planning to kill her

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Speaker 4: for a month in any way that he could, and

566
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Speaker 4: he finally went into the house, took a baseball back

567
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Speaker 4: and beat her. Beat her so much, but she was

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Speaker 4: actually able to say he didn't he put up. He said,

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Speaker 4: let's play a game. I got all these great candles.

570
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Speaker 4: Let's you put in a blind hold and tell me

571
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Speaker 4: if you can tell what they are. Sort of maybe

572
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Speaker 4: a romantic game before then we go in the bedroom.

573
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Speaker 4: So she puts on the blindfold and he doesn't light

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Speaker 4: the candles. He beats her over the head with a

575
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Speaker 4: baseball bat, beats her all over the house, chases her

576
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Speaker 4: around the house, blood body part flying everywhere. There was

577
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: even a tooth In event that he had his girlfriend cleanup.

578
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: He slaughtered her, and then he took her body eight

579
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Speaker 4: hundred miles away to Idaho and he burned it in

580
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Speaker 4: the field behind his home.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, the tooth they found, just.

582
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Speaker 2: This baby is going to grow up and know everything

583
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Speaker 2: that we're saying and the level of planning trying to

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Speaker 2: put the mistress up to killing his fiance. I mean, Cheryl,

585
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Speaker 2: they weren't even married. They could just break up right.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

587
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: The crime Sayne shows the level of depravity of the fiance.

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Speaker 1: Patrick.

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Speaker 7: When you go into a scene like that, you're gonna

590
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Speaker 7: look for cast off patterns from that baseball bat and

591
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 7: you're gonna be able to determine how many times he

592
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 7: hit her in that direction, everywhere that blood landed, You're

593
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Speaker 7: gonna be able to see where he was stick.

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Speaker 6: Did he walk around and just keep hitting her?

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Speaker 7: And Nancy, let's talk about the other girlfriend for a minute.

596
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 7: For eight hundred miles she drove, so every mile she

597
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Speaker 7: had eight hundred times, she could have turned around eight

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Speaker 7: hundred times.

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Speaker 6: She could have.

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Speaker 7: Called her family or a friend or the police, and

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Speaker 7: she didn't. At no time when she was cleaning that

602
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Speaker 7: scene for four hours.

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Speaker 6: Did she call anybody?

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00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: At no time?

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Speaker 7: When she drove back home eight hundred miles did she

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Speaker 7: call while she stood there and watched him burn an

607
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Speaker 7: innocent person.

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Speaker 2: She called nobody actually speaking of the burning. She then

609
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Speaker 2: takes investigators on a tour of the farm where she

610
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: stood by, knowing that Patrick Frasey was burning the body

611
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Speaker 2: of this young mom Kelsey Barres.

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00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Listen, we talked.

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Speaker 10: For probably an hour hour and a half. He needed

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Speaker 10: to do his choice, you and anybody, the little girl.

615
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 11: I carried the little girl around while he finished his choric.

616
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: Her tone.

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Speaker 3: That girl.

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Speaker 1: Got in the little girl with Nolan. From there, I

619
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Speaker 1: told him I have to leave.

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Speaker 10: He gave me healthy's phone and gave me instructions on what.

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Speaker 2: To do with the phone. Woman, you can ride in

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Speaker 2: hell right along with Patrick Fraser.

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Speaker 1: She's like, he did this, and he did this, and

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Speaker 1: he told me to do this, and he told me

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Speaker 1: to do that. You're part of it.

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Speaker 2: Rodeo Queen, You're going to have supper with Satan, mark

627
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Speaker 2: my words.

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Speaker 1: And that's not all. Listen.

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Speaker 11: Palette from member to fire the material from her home

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Speaker 11: and those were in what garbage bag and garbage bag.

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Speaker 1: Black garbage bags, white garbage.

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Speaker 11: Bag, two white garbage bags that I believe for black

633
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 11: garbage bag. The gaff in the motor oil. There were

634
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Speaker 11: a couple of bucket. You pour gaftholine in the bucket

635
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Speaker 11: and pitched it in the fire, and.

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Speaker 1: She stood by And why should it happen?

637
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Speaker 2: And I guarantee you that there were members of Patrick

638
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: Frazy's family that knew exactly what was going on. So

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00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: he's the devil and she's built zbob. But how does

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Speaker 2: that play out? Listen to our cut twelve again. The

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Speaker 2: Chief of Police, Miles de Young.

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Speaker 9: Today we arrested Patrick Frasey on charges of first degree

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Speaker 9: murder of Kelsey Bareth and he is currently being held

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Speaker 9: in the Teller County Jail. As a reminder, Patrick Frasey

645
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 9: has presumed innocent until proven guilty. Patrick Frasey was taken

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Speaker 9: into custody this morning in Florisa and Colorado just after

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00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 9: seven o'clock this morning Mountain Standard time by members of

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Speaker 9: the multi jurisdictional task force, including the Teller County Sheriff's

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Speaker 9: Office and the FBI. Patrick was taken to the Teller

650
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Speaker 9: County Jail or he'll be held Kelsey's daughter, Kayley, is

651
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Speaker 9: in protective custody and will be reunited with Kelsey's family.

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear what the prosecutor had to

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Speaker 2: say in our cut twenty.

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Speaker 13: One, Crystal and tells us that on October I'm sorry.

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Speaker 13: November twenty second, thanks, Patrick kills Kelsey in a horrific

656
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Speaker 13: manner with a bat in the back of the head

657
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Speaker 13: as Kelsey is sniffing candles with a blindfold over her eyes.

658
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 13: Crystal tells us that Patrick then calls her after he

659
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Speaker 13: has put Kelsey in a black plastic tote, calls Crystal

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Speaker 13: to count and help him clean up. She does not

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Speaker 13: come out that day. She cannot come out that day,

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Speaker 13: but she does come out, and as Crystal describes, when

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Speaker 13: she walks into Kelsey's condo, the scene is horrific. There's

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Speaker 13: blood everywhere, there are bloody footprints everywhere, and Crystal cleans

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Speaker 13: up blood but leaves behind some telltale evidence for our

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Speaker 13: investigators to find.

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Speaker 2: Phrasey is convicted, but guess what. He has appealed his conviction.

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Speaker 2: His first appeal was rejected by the Core of Appeal.

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Speaker 1: But guess what. Crystal, the rodeo.

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Speaker 2: Queen as we call her because she was in fact

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Speaker 2: voted a rodeo Queen.

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Speaker 1: Crystal Kenney is walking free. Why is that? Why is that?

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Speaker 1: Alexis teshuck Well.

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Speaker 4: She was sentenced to she took a plea deal. She

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Speaker 4: was the star witness. She had a deal with the

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Speaker 4: prosecutors that she would tell them everything she knew and

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Speaker 4: they would only sentence her to about eighteen months. So

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Speaker 4: plea happened. The judge said, I'm going to give you

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Speaker 4: more time because this is such a horrific crime and

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Speaker 4: even though you cooperated, you didn't do anything to stop

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Speaker 4: this crime.

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Speaker 6: You had hundreds of miles.

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Speaker 4: So judge said to her, you could have called the police,

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Speaker 4: you could have called anybody. You didn't have to cover

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Speaker 4: this up, and you knew it was going to happen

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Speaker 4: ahead of time. So he gave her a longer sentence.

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Speaker 4: She appealed that the appellate court ruled in her favor,

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Speaker 4: so he had to reverse the longer sentence and give

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Speaker 4: her eighteen months in prison, and she had already served that,

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Speaker 4: so she got out. She got she was basically out

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Speaker 4: a prison in a mirror eighteen months and one has

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Speaker 4: one year of predation.

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Speaker 2: So this woman who mocked up. Kelsey's blood is walking

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Speaker 2: free to you, Eric Fattis, You know, I have a

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Speaker 2: saying that I've told Juri's before. Sometimes you got to

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Speaker 2: go to hell to get your witness to put the

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Speaker 2: devil in jail. Sometimes you cut a deal, whether you

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Speaker 2: like it or not, so you can get the main perpetrator.

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Speaker 2: But frankly, in this case, I don't think they needed

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Speaker 2: Crystal Kenney. I think they could have proven the case

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Speaker 2: against Phrasey without her, and she could be in jail

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Speaker 2: right now too.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, Nancy, it's a tough call because murderers

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Speaker 8: don't hang out with mother. Teresa's right that they're hanging

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Speaker 8: out with kind of the bottom of the barrel. And

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Speaker 8: you know, enter into the chat Crystal leave Hetty. She

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Speaker 8: did have a lot of information in terms of confessions

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Speaker 8: that Patrick Crazy had made to her regarding the killing,

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Speaker 8: regarding the cover up, regarding intending to do something best

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Speaker 8: to the victim, and so testimony was certainly valuable to

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Speaker 8: the prosecutors needed to convict him. That that part is

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Speaker 8: still kind of an open.

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Speaker 2: Question, you know what, Cheryl Mcconnolly's a terrible, terrible taste

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Speaker 2: in my mouth, as we approach Thanksgiving to think about

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Speaker 2: what happened to Kelsey Barras and by burning her body,

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Speaker 2: her little girl, Kelly doesn't even have a grave or

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Speaker 2: mark her, nothing to go and visit, nothing at all.

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Speaker 7: Patrick made it clear to Crystal he wanted Kelsey dad.

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Speaker 7: He asked her to do it three times, three times

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Speaker 7: Nancy and told her how to do it. And when

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Speaker 7: you think about who could have stopped this, she was

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Speaker 7: the only one that could have. Crystal is the only

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Speaker 7: one it could have stopped.

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Speaker 2: It, Doctor Tim Gallagher. When you burn a body, do

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Speaker 2: you get rid?

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Speaker 1: Can you get rid of?

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Speaker 2: And I mean it's not an incinerator, it's a fire.

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Speaker 2: Can you actually let the fire burn until there's no

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Speaker 2: trace of human bones left?

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Speaker 1: Or is that impossible?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's impossible.

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Speaker 5: With a wood fire.

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Speaker 12: The wood fire probably reaches about fourteen hundred degrees, And

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Speaker 12: if you really want to incinerate somebody as they do

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Speaker 12: in cremation, you have to use propane gas or natural gas,

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Speaker 12: and that fire has to reach well over three thousand degrees.

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Speaker 12: Even still, you would still have some bone remains which

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Speaker 12: would be ground up at the crematorium, but teeth can remain.

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Speaker 12: Dental work can remain, and some other long the ends

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Speaker 12: of your long bones, for instance, your femurs, your humorous bone,

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Speaker 12: those tend to remain in spite of the high temperatures

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Speaker 12: as well.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Gallagher, I got a question for you leading up,

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Speaker 2: pulling up on something you just said before I forget it.

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Speaker 2: We know that Patrick Frazy poured gas in motor oil

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Speaker 2: onto the fire, when that have worked as an accelerant,

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Speaker 2: that may have gotten rid of all trace of her bones.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think of how the prosecutor could

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Speaker 2: prove this case without using the rodeo queen and putting

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Speaker 2: her behind bars for life too.

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Speaker 12: Right, So the gasoline would accelerate the burning of the

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Speaker 12: body temporarily, it'll burn off very quickly, within five ten minutes,

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Speaker 12: that'll be gone. But what it does is it ignites

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Speaker 12: the wood, you know, and that's what perpetuates the fire.

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Speaker 12: So even they're using gasoline in the beginning, that's not

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Speaker 12: going to have any effect on the loss the total

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Speaker 12: loss of all the bone or all the DNA material.

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Speaker 12: That just sets the wood on fire.

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Speaker 2: Guys, well, I think about Kelsey Bareth and her little girl, Kelly,

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Speaker 2: who we continue to pray for it makes our Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: all the more sweet. When we gather with our friends

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Speaker 2: and family, or even on our own, and we thank

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Speaker 2: God for our lives and all of our blessings.

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Speaker 1: I pause, and I think.

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Speaker 2: About all those people less fortunate than we are, And

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Speaker 2: I think about little Keeley every Thanksgiving and how she gets.

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Speaker 1: Through that day.

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Speaker 2: I'll finish with this rodeo Queen Crystal Lee Kenney, You're

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Speaker 2: going to Hell, and guess who you'll meet at the

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Speaker 2: front gate.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Phrasey, Goodbye friends,