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Speaker 1: Greetings, Welcome in side, Happy Tuesday. Unless you're Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: or the Jets, Hey we almost hire Jon Gruden, almost

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Speaker 1: almost almost. Have you ever wiped with a piece of

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Speaker 1: Clean pants down. Bill Belichick is not a first ballad

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, A story that broke earlier this afternoon

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Speaker 1: and has since spread like wildfire. Many people are very upset,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson tweeting out how mad he is. People want blood,

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Speaker 1: they want, they want, they want all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 1: They want to know who didn't vote who didn't vote him?

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Speaker 1: Of the forty voters, twenty nine votes to get Belichick

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame. A guy with more Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls and everybody's done more did not get in the

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame. And now it's like it's

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Speaker 1: the biggest miscarriage of justice that we have seen in

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Speaker 1: sports in quite some time. Because Number one, the first

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Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna say is I love the fact that

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Speaker 1: people are just now coming around to the fact that,

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Speaker 1: oh wait, so writers, when they vote for a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame and MVP and Rookie of the Year, they

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Speaker 1: vote with their own agenda, their own personal feelings. Like

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen enough evidence of that over these in

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Speaker 1: the past twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: They either voter or they don't.

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Speaker 1: Guys keeping Echiro from being unanimous, keeping Jeter from being unanimous. No,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I had pretty good authority. Rob Parker

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Speaker 1: didn't vote for Jeter. Rob Parker didn't vote for Ero.

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Speaker 1: He also didn't vote for Belichick. So there's that.

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Speaker 4: Uh, they vote, ye, he said, he sent back Blake Ballad,

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Speaker 4: he and ten others. I've just had eleven votes that

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Speaker 4: just said ah, I didn't even see it in the mail.

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Speaker 3: I mean, come on, he did not do that.

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Speaker 1: But it's like people are just realizing, now, oh, hey,

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Speaker 1: voters vote with that kind of of whatever process. Because

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Speaker 1: we've heard a lot since the vote came out that

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Speaker 1: there was a contingent that didn't like the cheating, Spygate,

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Speaker 1: everything else. And I'm surprised that everybody is so surprised

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Speaker 1: about it because, quite honestly, when you have spygate scandal

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Speaker 1: and you have the deflate gate scandal and you treat

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Speaker 1: reporters like crap for twenty years, yeah, sometimes you reap

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Speaker 1: what you sew. Now we can debate whether or not

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's a first ballot Hall of Famer or not.

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Speaker 1: Look as Bill Belichick hall of Famer, absolutely right as

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Speaker 1: a Jet fan, absolutely, But I'm not surprised this is

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Speaker 1: how the vote went because just as you see for

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Speaker 1: aren't cool with, this is how they vote. Whether it's

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Speaker 1: a one year ban, I'll vote for him next year,

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Speaker 1: or I'm never going to vote for the guy. This

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Speaker 1: is how it goes. This is how writers vote, this

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Speaker 1: is how people vote. And twenty years of him at

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Speaker 1: press conferences, acting like reporters aren't even worth his time.

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Speaker 1: And again, the cheating stuff that we had. However, whoever,

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about that in a sliding scale

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Speaker 1: of how big a deal it was versus how small

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Speaker 1: a deal it was. Okay, all that stuff is out there,

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Speaker 1: But I can't believe people are actually surprised that this

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Speaker 1: is what happened for Belichick because this is kinda the

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Speaker 1: person he's been and what he's sown for the last

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Speaker 4: Yet I would say this the last part of it

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Speaker 4: and get over yourselves, you crying infants. So the hey,

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Speaker 4: he wasn't nice to you, he didn't give you a

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Speaker 4: law when you ask him a bad question. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 4: The flate Gate one of the dumbest things we've ever done. Again,

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Speaker 4: sliding scale decide, spygate. There's still a lot we right,

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Speaker 4: we'll never know because they.

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Speaker 1: The flate Gate was blown out of proportion. But you

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Speaker 4: But but let's go. Let's go to the endgame with

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Speaker 4: all of it. You didn't take away any Super Bowl titles. No,

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Speaker 4: you're still recognized as the greatest by most, if not

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Speaker 4: everybody associated with the game. Bill Pollian recommended that the

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Speaker 5: Anything he says in that committee room should be thrown

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Speaker 5: out immediately. But all of that to say, for Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 5: could take all of that in to say, you know what,

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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame on the first ballot is just look,

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Speaker 5: petty knows no tax bracket. It's one of my favorite

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Speaker 5: quotes I've ever thrown out on the airwaves. Here, so

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Speaker 5: that comes in here. Do you have a list of

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Speaker 1: Is it a sliding scale? Like can you move it up?

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Speaker 4: and things mocking the Jets of course rank highly as well.

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Speaker 4: But it comes down to this, it's like the you're

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Speaker 4: ranking him, you got three out of five. Kenny Anderson's

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Speaker 4: gonna end up getting into the Hall of Fame probably,

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Speaker 4: and Bill Belichick gets left out.

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Speaker 3: Kenny didn't. This makes sense.

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Speaker 1: He also didn't win, right, But that's the thing is

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Speaker 1: that there's two different conversations going on. There is Belichick

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Speaker 1: And I understand why he didn't get in because you know,

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Speaker 1: And people like Barry Bonds aren't getting in the hall.

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Speaker 4: But that's because that's because folks decided they didn't like him.

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Speaker 4: But other guys that were nice to them might have

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's insane, and I'm not disagreeing with that. What

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Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick. And Spygate was a really big deal, right,

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Speaker 1: of that. And then deflate Gate comes and it's more of, really,

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Speaker 1: same team, same quarterback, same everything. Now the actual impact

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Speaker 1: an organization that won super Bowls and was caught cheating.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Spygate helped the Patriots because Belichick's not

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Speaker 1: The Rams were like they were at our practice for

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Speaker 1: it only practiced once. How did you know that was

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Speaker 1: And yeah, the personal stuff, again, you can debate if

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Speaker 1: is how the world works. I know how the world works,

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Speaker 1: and I know that people that cover him for a

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Speaker 1: long time enough times where he doesn't treat them well,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna say, okay, okay, that's fine. I'm a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voter. Bill, good luck trying to get

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Speaker 1: in when you're there the first time. Now, eventually I

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Speaker 1: vote for you, but good luck getting it. Look look

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Speaker 1: at how Belichick was with the reports of how he

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Speaker 1: treated everybody when he was at North Carolina, you know,

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Speaker 1: with with with scouts that couldn't come in and see

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Speaker 1: the and see the players play with the Patriots, and

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Speaker 1: how he was keeping everybody at arms lay. You heard

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Speaker 1: all the same stories with North Carolina. It's just he

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Speaker 1: he wasn't winning super bowls. So, yeah, all of those things,

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Speaker 1: surprised that that eleven people just said, yeah, you know what, no,

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Speaker 1: not this year. Now. I don't think for a second

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Speaker 1: generally when a front office person, executive owner, coach doesn't

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Speaker 1: I'll always remember John Clayton telling me, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we always go in with that. Now, this is John

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Speaker 1: in first. That's always the most. The players get in first. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously he's up against different people, but the players, you know,

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Speaker 1: When it comes to coaches executives, do they care as much?

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Speaker 1: Do they take as much thought in their vote? Is

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Speaker 1: it easier for them to say, well, I don't want

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Speaker 1: because of how he acted, Yeah, okay, I cannot vote

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Speaker 1: Again, I don't think they thought it was going to

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Speaker 1: talk about why you voted this way for Belichick, like

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Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't probably feel this was going to

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Speaker 1: be the reaction to it, and it is. But I

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Speaker 1: mean again, when this came out today, I didn't think

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Speaker 1: wasn't surprised because this is this is how Belichick goes.

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Speaker 4: Now you're starting to see more reports of the fact

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Speaker 4: that Bill Pollian, year after year seems to have somebody

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Speaker 4: he doesn't want in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he say, but Poleon said no, that's not true.

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Speaker 1: I voted for him. Like that story when when Belichick

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Speaker 1: didn't get in, the story broke that, hey, Poleon potentially

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Speaker 1: was going to make him sit out a year because

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Speaker 1: of Spygate. Right, I'm gonna gonna make you said for

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Speaker 1: a year, then I'll vote you in. When Poleon was contacted,

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Speaker 1: he said no, not true. I voted for him. Now

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty easy thing to disprove. I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: Poleon as his word that he's telling the truth, because

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Speaker 1: if he didn't vote for him, that's something that would

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Speaker 1: get out. So if he said no, no, not true,

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Speaker 1: I voted for him. Well, so then it's other people

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Speaker 1: that are voting for different reasons and and and clearly

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Speaker 1: their stuff out there. And I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's probably not enough to say, probably not

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Speaker 1: enough votes where you can say that, well, I wanted

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Speaker 1: Craft to get in, so I voted Craft number one,

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Speaker 1: Belichick low or on my list, because everybody's gonna vote

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Speaker 1: for Belichick, like Correk's been on the ballot for a

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Speaker 1: It is early in the night for goodbye horses, Ty shirt,

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Speaker 1: The big fire topic of the night Bill Belichick not

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Speaker 7: Jacob, I am truly a voter, so's very good slice.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to work Blue, this is my show.

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Speaker 6: know too, you know, the the flake gate would that

435
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Speaker 6: was even.

436
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Speaker 7: Dumber than spy Gate. Spy Gate was pretty dumb to

437
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Speaker 7: begin with. I've always I've always said, like this was idiocy.

438
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Speaker 6: But you know, you have punished and so people, you know,

439
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 6: some people held out against them. Now I could again,

440
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Speaker 6: I could see why four.

441
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Speaker 7: Or five people would not him. But if you're telling

442
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Speaker 7: me that eleven people didn't vote for him out of

443
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Speaker 7: that group of fifties.

444
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Speaker 1: Jason Coleport football Hall of Fame voter, that's not the

445
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Speaker 1: Mike Mobi. No, I get it.

446
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Speaker 3: No, I get it.

447
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Speaker 1: And you know the thing is I said off the top,

448
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Speaker 1: I said, I think there's a difference in the conversation

449
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Speaker 1: between believing Bill Belichick's a first ballot Hall of Famer

450
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Speaker 1: and being surprised that he got left off because of

451
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Speaker 1: the cheating scandals, because potentially how he treated reporters for

452
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Speaker 1: twenty years. Who oh, by the way of the voters.

453
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Speaker 1: Those are two separate conversations that have being I'm surprised

454
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Speaker 1: he didn't you know, he didn't get in. Is he worthy?

455
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Speaker 1: And then but honestly, Jay cal we've seen this in

456
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Speaker 1: voting in the Pats, whether it's for the Baseball Hall

457
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Speaker 1: of Fame, whether it's for the pro football fan. Yeah,

458
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: some people vote with agendas and reasons, and I'm I'm

459
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Speaker 1: not going to put you in because I have a

460
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Speaker 1: problem here, and maybe I'll vote for you next year,

461
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Speaker 1: but I'm not voting for you now.

462
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Speaker 7: There are look are things that I have thought about

463
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 7: in reaction to certain you know, like I'll just lay

464
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Speaker 7: it out the way that Warren sapp acted after he

465
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Speaker 7: was he was on the ballot the first year that

466
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Speaker 7: I voted, so that's thirteen or fourteen years, I don't

467
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Speaker 7: know whatever it was, and he was such a jerk

468
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Speaker 7: afterwards after he got it, not because he was talking

469
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Speaker 7: about himself, but because he was ragging on Mike's straight hand.

470
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Speaker 6: I was like, you know what, if you're that much of.

471
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Speaker 7: A jerk, and it's not a jerk to me because

472
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Speaker 7: you're just generally a jerk. And Warren's as some one

473
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Speaker 7: of the biggest ones in the history of this league.

474
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Speaker 6: You know, if it's close, I might I might.

475
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Speaker 7: Choose somebody else. It has to be close, right, and

476
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Speaker 7: there has to be a good reason, it has to

477
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Speaker 7: be researched. And so when to came up and he

478
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 7: finished eighth on my annual survey, I was like, well,

479
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 7: not a lot of people, not a lot of people

480
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Speaker 7: who worked in the NFL are just thinking's no doubt.

481
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Speaker 7: I'm a surprised he finished eighth. And then I looked

482
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Speaker 7: the other cannon. It's like, it's some close And I

483
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 7: voted for him to get to the round of ten,

484
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 7: and it was the to get down to. You know,

485
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 7: I don't know if he made it past the ten,

486
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 7: but I didn't vote for the second round. And so

487
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Speaker 7: you wann't call that an agenda or do you want

488
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Speaker 7: to call that a life experience that you know a

489
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 7: guy who's who's treated other people very poorly. It may

490
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Speaker 7: not be as much of a Hall of Famer as

491
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Speaker 7: everybody thinks based on what people in the NFL say.

492
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Speaker 6: Is that is that an agenda?

493
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Speaker 7: Some people may say that. I'll say this, I voted

494
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Speaker 7: for t O in the second year, and I certainly

495
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Speaker 7: voted firhim in the third year when he made it,

496
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Speaker 7: you know, so you know, I didn't think that he

497
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Speaker 7: should be kept out. And if he had made it

498
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Speaker 7: in his first year, that would have been that would

499
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 7: have been perfectly reasonable. He was you know, he had

500
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Speaker 7: the stats to back it up.

501
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: No, you say keeping out for Drew Pearson when you

502
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: went on the cowboys rampage of getting.

503
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Speaker 6: I did not get a chance to. I tried. I

504
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 6: tried so hard.

505
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: Stop back out. Are you trying to get all those cowboys?

506
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 4: That's you actively trying to restart that conversation.

507
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 6: Lily, Lily, Lily, Randy White out out.

508
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: So Roger Craig, Well, it's you the matter.

509
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: I mean, look, this is a great story for Smith

510
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 4: because he gets gleeful today because yesterday I had to

511
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 4: keep picking him up because he was all despondent that

512
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 4: Sam Darnold is going to the Super Bowl.

513
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 7: Damn, that's a beautiful story from the ashes destroy his

514
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 7: career nearly destroyed by Gang Green and Woody Johnson, who

515
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 7: continues to try and destroy the team, like, let's fire

516
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 7: a bunch of guys after all the good assistants have

517
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 7: been ticked off already. What a massiful thing that is, Like, oh,

518
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 7: two weeks after, three weeks after, Oh yeah, let's start

519
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 7: firing assistance now.

520
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I can't, I can't any No, I can't

521
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: say anything to that ass Yeah.

522
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 4: I had to bring him back down against anything. But

523
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 4: back back into the committee meetings as they go through.

524
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: Did do you find as you're what you say thirteen

525
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 4: fourteen years are they more contentious these days?

526
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 7: No, it's not really contentious. I think it's an intelligent discussion.

527
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 7: You know, there are some point are there some pointed

528
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 7: remarks and people get you know, get their the hair

529
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 7: up on the back of the neck occasionally a little bit. Sure,

530
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 7: But what a bunch of old dudes. There ain't that

531
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 7: much energy, man, What are you going to have? Like

532
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 7: you know, John McClain, you know, ready to blow up

533
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 7: against Gary Myers, Like you really.

534
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: Think that's going to happen, Like that'd be fun.

535
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 6: It'd be really fun. My money's on McClean, I mean,

536
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 6: Marshall feisty. I give him a but but I think

537
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 6: I think you can get dropped around. Well.

538
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: The first I thought you were going to come in

539
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: and say, hey, Samini, did you vote for Belichick?

540
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: To me, me, me me.

541
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Speaker 6: It was the first year, the first year as a

542
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 6: as a as a voter. So I said, I said that.

543
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 6: Now called back and he goes, I cover witty, Lord.

544
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: He was really looking forward to this problem.

545
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this note now, so you

546
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: have to get.

547
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 7: To talk about good players.

548
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Speaker 1: First time in a long time you had, you had

549
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: eleven people not vote, and there's a big push, hey,

550
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: in a week for people to defend their votes and

551
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: come out and talk about it. Do you think that happens?

552
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: Do we find out the identity of some people who

553
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: didn't vote for him?

554
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 6: Have no idea.

555
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 7: I'll say, I don't want to talk about other people,

556
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 7: what they say, what they do, that's not it's not

557
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 7: for me to do that. I'm not to talk about

558
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 7: what said in the meaning of do you do.

559
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: You think people are gonna are gonna make their vot

560
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: it's public. The people who didn't vote for him, will

561
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: make their votes public and talk about it and defend it.

562
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: Or is this going to be like, hey, we're looking

563
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: for the guy that didn't vote for each row, and

564
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: after a couple of days we forget about it.

565
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I don't know. Maybe one or

566
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 6: two people, you know, I don't know.

567
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 7: I think that people getting vilified for voting their conscious

568
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 7: and I don't think that that's necessarily fair. I do.

569
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 7: I respect the Baseball Writer's process where guys do publish

570
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 7: their votes, and I wouldn't be afraid to publish what

571
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 7: my votes are. But you know, I don't know what

572
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 7: other people are thinking. So I don't want to go there.

573
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 7: You know, I work with these people I like. I

574
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 7: like almost all of them.

575
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know some of them, Like I've never

576
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 6: I've never.

577
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 7: Had dinner with Lisa Salters. She seems like a very

578
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 7: nice woman. She's I've talked to her a couple of

579
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 7: times on the phone. But and so I wouldn't like,

580
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 7: I don't, you know, like we don't have any kind

581
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 7: of like any kind of personal relationship or anything like that.

582
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 6: You know, that's to me, that's a whole different thing.

583
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 6: Because I walked up. But you know, every time I

584
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 6: see him, and but yeah, you know, I respect the

585
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 6: people on this channel.

586
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 7: They know a lot of stuff about football, They've worked

587
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 7: really hard at it.

588
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 6: And do some of them have opinions that I disagree with? Sure?

589
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 6: Do I have opinions that they disagree with.

590
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 7: Absolutely.

591
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: So let me ask you on a level of one

592
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: to ten, with one being hey, this is something that

593
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: we can deal with and and and work on. It

594
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: will go away, and ten being this is an epic fail.

595
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: Like where where do you put Belichick not getting in

596
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame?

597
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 6: These go to eleven?

598
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: That's done.

599
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 7: Wow, that's just.

600
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 6: I mean, galls me. It just galls me. Again.

601
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 7: I think he's the most qualified. And we've talked about

602
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 7: twenty different people, Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Luke Keickley Marshall, Yanda,

603
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 7: talked about the other you know, Tory Holt, Reggie Wayne,

604
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 7: some really great players, none of them and you can

605
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 7: you can say all you want about Oh, he had

606
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 7: to have Tom Brady.

607
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 6: You're right, Most coaches have to he good quarterbacks.

608
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 7: That's how it works. You get to the Hall of

609
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 7: Fame and the coattails of your players. If Paul Brown

610
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 7: never had autogram, we don't know about all of his

611
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 7: great inventions, right, you just don't. Okay, that's just how

612
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 7: it works. Don Sheula went from Uniteds to Greasy to Marino.

613
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 7: That man's life was blessed, Okay, with three Hall of

614
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 7: Fame quarterbacks.

615
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 6: That's how it works. Okay, So maybe that was something.

616
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 7: That people held against him, But my bottom.

617
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 6: Line is, you got eight super Bowl rings.

618
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 7: You got twelve appearances over the last fifty years.

619
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Speaker 6: The road to the super Bowl he usually.

620
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 7: Goes through Bill Belichick. And that's not any kind of overstatement.

621
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 7: That is exactly what it is. And this man has

622
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 7: done an amazing amount of work to bring the game along.

623
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Speaker 7: And yes, because he's done some things to embarrass the game, yes,

624
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 7: but I know the history of this league. Al Davis cheated,

625
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 7: George Allis cheated. Okay, lots of great coaches, but the rules.

626
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 7: As far as camp, My favorite one about.

627
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 6: Al Davis he pretended to be a.

628
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 7: Reporter after a game between the Chargers and some other team,

629
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 7: and he went up to Atlantce Allworth and said, hey, can.

630
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 6: You design it right down?

631
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 7: Your favorite plays that you'd like to run.

632
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 6: And sim Gilman shouting at the top of the ones al,

633
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 6: get away from my player.

634
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: He's on Twitter.

635
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: Can't blame for trying.

636
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: You can't not true and want.

637
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 6: More about that.

638
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 7: Don Shula halftime of the game at the University of

639
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 7: California asked Amy Trask about this one. She'd get the

640
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 7: great line, Okay, Shell is streaming at the light fixture, Al,

641
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 7: I know you're listening, and Amy would will quote Al

642
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 7: saying it wasn't in the light.

643
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: He's on Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two Pro Football

644
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voter. J Cole has always appreciated your time,

645
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: my friend. We'll talk to you next week. Thanks so much.

646
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: Later, You're the best, Say you, Boddy.

647
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 6: Wow.

648
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: Big stuff to break down from Jason Cole tak the

649
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Speaker 1: word goal time I got galling is a very good one.

650
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Speaker 7: G A l L.

651
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Speaker 1: How to find out what's trending in the wide row

652
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: of sports. A guy who's been called a Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voter himself, huh. He also didn't vote

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Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick for the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Instant to say that's true.

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Speaker 9: I did not vote for him, or Tom Coughlin or

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Speaker 9: anyone else.

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Speaker 1: That's coming along. I'm not on that committee.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, let's get to college basketball on the men's side,

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Speaker 9: because we had quite a lineup tonight. Number three Michigan

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Speaker 9: trailed most of the night and still beat Number five

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Speaker 9: Nebraska seventy five seventy two. Number two ranked yukon edge

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Speaker 9: Providence eighty seven eighty one. Number seven Michigan State won

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Speaker 9: in overtime at Rutgers. Spartans were down twelve early second half.

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Speaker 9: Number seventeen Virginia won in two overtimes at Notre Dame.

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Speaker 9: Virginia had trailed by nineteen in the first half. Number

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Speaker 9: fifteen Arkansas winner eighty three seventy nine at Oklahoma. Right now,

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Speaker 9: Number twenty four Miami, Ohio, which is twenty and oh

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Speaker 9: this year, has taken the lead seventy one sixty nine

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Speaker 9: against UMass seven and a half minutes to go. And

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Speaker 9: in Indiana it's the Hoosiers still ahead of number twelve

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Speaker 9: due two sixty five fifty eight, four and a half

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Speaker 9: minutes left there. In the NBA, we have three games

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Speaker 9: in progress still. Detroit leads at Denver seventy nine seventy

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Speaker 9: late in the third Nuggets star Nikola Jokic will be

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Speaker 9: reevaluated next week. He's been out for a month with

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Speaker 9: a bone bruise in his knee. Phoenix at home leads

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Speaker 9: mid third quarter against the Brooklyn Nets sixty nine sixty one.

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Speaker 9: Brooklyn has lost five in a row. Sacramento's now lost

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Speaker 9: six in a row. They lost at New York one

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Speaker 9: oh three eighty seven, Philadelphia and Oklahoma City with home wins.

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Speaker 9: Washington as well. Wizards had lost nine straight, but edge

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Speaker 9: Portland won fifteen to one eleven and of the first

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Speaker 9: quarter at Utah Jazz twenty nine eighteen over the LA Clippers.

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Speaker 9: By the way, Cleveland's Evan Mobley will miss one to

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Speaker 9: three weeks with a strained calf. Coach Bill Belichick will

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Speaker 9: reportedly not be elected to the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 9: Fame this year. The class will be announced next week.

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Speaker 9: The Bills promoted Joe Brady to head coach. The Titans

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Speaker 9: new offensive coordinator is Brian Dable, and Denver fired offensive

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Speaker 9: coordinator Lombardi. Head coach Sean Payton is the play caller there.

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Speaker 9: Back to You, Thank You, Steve O.

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Speaker 1: Jason Smith's Show with My best friend Mike Harmon live

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, we react to Jason Cole pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voter who just took us inside as

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Speaker 1: much as he can about the process why Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: did not get in the Hall of Fame today. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If people are gonna go public

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Speaker 1: and defend their reason why, I know exactly what they're

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Speaker 1: gonna say. That's coming up next right here, Jason and

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Speaker 1: Mike Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

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Speaker 2: Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

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Speaker 2: pm Pacific, Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: The Jason Smith Show with ma my best friend Mike Harmon. Jets, Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to John Gruden turning the Jets down.

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Speaker 10: Jason hold on, Yeah, question for you, Yeah, sure? Did

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Speaker 10: Belichick coach your team for a little bit? Yes, for

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Speaker 10: about an hour and a half hour and a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 10: you should be punished well.

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Speaker 3: But they kept the Jets out of the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: How does that make you?

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Speaker 1: How could you punish the Jets any worse? You need

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Speaker 1: to be punished more. We punished more. Why you want

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Speaker 1: to know why? Why?

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Speaker 3: What did Sam Donald do on the Jets?

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Speaker 1: He was terrible?

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Speaker 3: How is he doing?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 1: Where's he at?

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Speaker 3: He's terrific? Now is he on the super Bowl? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How you again? How are you going to punish us more?

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Speaker 1: You know how how I'll get back to him?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know you apologize to Sam Donald.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Jason Cole for stopping by it a few

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Speaker 1: minutes ago. A longtime front of the show on with

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Speaker 1: us every week. He's a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter,

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Speaker 1: and he told us a lot of interesting stuff about

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Speaker 1: what went why he doesn't think Bill Belichick got in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and you know, without being able

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Speaker 1: to say, this is what these people said in the meeting,

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Speaker 1: he gave us a lot of great stuff. If you

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Speaker 1: didn't get it, we'll put it up Best of Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio up on social media within the next few minutes.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when he said, hey, there were some

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Speaker 1: people in the room that had a problem with some

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Speaker 1: of the belt and stuff that Belichick was involved in,

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Speaker 1: mainly meeting Spygate to flake Gate, whatever was the cheating.

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Speaker 4: St You can find it all on the Wikipedia pages

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Speaker 4: and everything else.

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Speaker 1: And look, Spygate was the worst cheating scandal we had

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Speaker 1: had in the NFL in quite some time, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have anything as big as this. There was

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Speaker 1: there was, there was evidence that was destroyed before we

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Speaker 1: could get a good answer on it. There was a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that went on with this. This was

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Speaker 1: this I remember this story. Now I got to explain

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Speaker 1: to millennials what Spygate was. But this was still in

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Speaker 1: the you know, the early mid two thousands where this

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Speaker 1: was this was a really big deal where they were

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Speaker 1: caught videotaping other teams walk throughs and practices and that

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Speaker 1: information was then funneled down allegedly to the off the defense,

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Speaker 1: so they knew what the other teams were going to do.

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Speaker 4: Now, as a scan, my understanding is that you could videotape,

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Speaker 4: but just in designated areas, so it becomes spirit letter

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Speaker 4: of the law kind of discussion. But to that point,

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Speaker 4: and you know, with the crack research of Hey, what

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Speaker 4: day did this happen? Roger Goodell took over in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and six. Spygate was two thousand and seven. Remember

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Speaker 4: Roger Goodell when he took over anything that was anywhere

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Speaker 4: near potentially tarnishing the shields.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he was rolling iron fist.

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Speaker 3: But that's but that's it, right, that's the timing.

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Speaker 1: Aris Henry Tank Williams, all those guys that stuff, you

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Speaker 1: were suspended for editing, and you could talk about careers

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Speaker 1: that were lost and whatever based on a positive marijuana test.

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Speaker 1: So in this case, it became the biggest fire of hey,

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Speaker 1: destroy that right, you're not gonna turn it in, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's destroyed and whatever, and you know it's a pock

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Speaker 1: signer how and after the players, but I'll save the

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Speaker 1: owner in a team, right, I mean that's what it

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Speaker 1: looked like. I'm going I'll go after all these players,

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Speaker 1: but an owner and yeah, I'm gonna do you guys

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Speaker 1: a solid.

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Speaker 4: But in the moment, it was still the all right,

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Speaker 4: this is a big, egregious issue that he had to

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Speaker 4: deal with, and it's like it's so scandalous, we can't

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Speaker 4: even have the videotapes remain. And here's the which you

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Speaker 4: could argue, you know which side you'll want on that.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing though, it might have even been

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Speaker 1: better for Belichick Hall of Fame wise if all that

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Speaker 1: stuff got out, because then people could put and get

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Speaker 1: to peace with it. Okay, well he did it, but

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Speaker 1: we found out what it is. It's really not that

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Speaker 1: big a deal to me, but a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who voted and didn't vote for Belichick, I'm sure, Well,

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Speaker 1: I really don't know everything that happened, but I don't

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Speaker 1: like the cheating.

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Speaker 3: That's the point.

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Speaker 4: There's just this giant black box right over whatever it

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Speaker 4: was on those tapes.

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Speaker 1: So I'd respect the hell out of out of any

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Speaker 1: voter that said, listen, the spygate stuff, the cheating. I

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Speaker 1: got a big problem with this is cheating fabric of

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Speaker 1: the game because it's the same kind of thing we're

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Speaker 1: talking about with Major League Baseball and steroids and peds

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Speaker 1: and and the astros cheating scandal. This is stuff. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm not voting for this guy because I can't take that.

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Speaker 1: That scandal was a really big thing, and I can't

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Speaker 1: forgive him for that. I can't put him in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. If a writer if a voter that

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Speaker 1: didn't vote for Belichick said that, I'd respect that. Now

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Speaker 1: they got to stick with that and and and go

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Speaker 1: all the way with it and say I can't vote

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Speaker 1: for him ever because of the cheating scandal, because that's

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Speaker 1: such a damaging thing for the NFL. I got a problem.

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Speaker 1: If it's well, I'm not gonna do it this year,

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Speaker 1: but I'll vote for him next year.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 1: No, either someone's a Hall of Fame or they're not.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't think he is because of that,

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Speaker 1: I respect the hell out of you, but don't give

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Speaker 1: me this. I'm not gonna I'm just gonna postpone it

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Speaker 1: for a year, which is probably what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: No, but that's the problem, right, So then you're really

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Speaker 4: you made a stand, so you can make a stink.

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Speaker 4: But if you're not, then yourself making making it known

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Speaker 4: I voted or did not vote in this case, and

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Speaker 4: here's why then, and that it's a bunch of hubbub

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Speaker 4: for nothing, and we'll we'll talk more about it, because

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Speaker 4: more the voting, the the elector electoral process here is

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Speaker 4: starting to come out. You're not just seeing the coaches, players,

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Speaker 4: former players, all rallying to what the hell are we

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Speaker 4: doing here? It's also people that were in that room

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Speaker 4: raising their hand going what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look it's coming from inside the room.

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Speaker 1: It's become a much bigger conflagration than anybody thought it

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Speaker 1: was going to be today. But I mean, if a

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Speaker 1: voter would say that, I'd respect that. Now there is

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Speaker 1: a call from many voters to say, make your votes public.

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Speaker 1: If you did not vote for Bill Belichick, make your

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Speaker 1: votes public, because you're making the rest of us look bad.

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Speaker 1: So are we actually going to see that. Well, they'll

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Speaker 1: happen in the court over the course of next week.

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Speaker 1: But we see people who didn't vote for Belichick say yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't. Here's my reasoning why. We'll tell you how

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Speaker 1: that next week is going to go. Coming up next

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Speaker 1: Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio,