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Speaker 2: analysis and more. This is The Socks Machine Podcast with
Speaker 2: your hosts Jim Margolis, James Vegan, and Josh Nelson.
Speaker 3: Hello, folks, welcome to a new episode of The Machine podcast,
Speaker 3: part of the Foul Territory Network. I'm your host Josh Nelson,
Speaker 3: and we have a lot to discuss in this episode.
Speaker 3: What a great weekend for the Chicago White Sox as
Speaker 3: they traveled down to Saint Petersburg, Florida to take on
Speaker 3: the tam Bay Rays, who have the best record in
Speaker 3: the American League, the best team playing at home this season,
Speaker 3: and the White Sox won two out of three in
Speaker 3: pretty convincing fashion. They only allow three runs this weekend,
Speaker 3: a terrific series for the White Sox that will be
Speaker 3: recapping later in the show as Sox Machines. Beat reporter
Speaker 3: James Vegan will be joining me from Tampa to share
Speaker 3: what was working on the pitching side and maybe a
Speaker 3: blueprint for the White Sox offense to find some success
Speaker 3: in the postseason. But of course, the biggest news over
Speaker 3: the weekend for the White Sox and going up to
Speaker 3: the trade deadline tomorrow on a Monday at five pm
Speaker 3: Central Time, is who will the White Sox add to
Speaker 3: their roster. And they've already added a starting pitcher of course,
Speaker 3: with the trade of the Seattle Mariners right handed starting
Speaker 3: pitcher Louis Castillo. We have learned when he will be
Speaker 3: making his first start with the White Sox. But before that,
Speaker 3: new Chicago White Sox general manager Chris Getz spoke to
Speaker 3: the media and explained his rationale and why they targeted
Speaker 3: Louis Castillo.
Speaker 4: You know, this was an opportunity to bring in a
Speaker 4: starting pitcher that you know, we're really excited about, someone
Speaker 4: that you know, can help lead this young pitching staff
Speaker 4: not only cover innings, but you know, has experience pitching
Speaker 4: in the playoffs, and if you look at you know,
Speaker 4: our club, you know we're at the bottom of the
Speaker 4: league in regards to starting pitching innings, and so you know,
Speaker 4: to be able to insert someone that pitches as regularly
Speaker 4: posts often as Louis Castillo, you know, has the credibility
Speaker 4: into this group, we felt like it was is going
Speaker 4: to make any meaning meaningful step in the right direction.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know the fun part about this part of
Speaker 4: you know, the season, when you're looking at acquisitions, you
Speaker 4: know you can plug it into you know, a projection
Speaker 4: system and you know, playoff probabilities and as you're you know,
Speaker 4: inputting different possibilities and potential acquisitions out there and understanding
Speaker 4: what the acquisition costs is going to be, this uh
Speaker 4: took a meaningful jump.
Speaker 3: Can at the latest public models that we have from
Speaker 3: fangrafts dot com. Fangrafts have the White Sox giving them
Speaker 3: a fifty six percent chance of making the postseason. And
Speaker 3: when you take a look at winning the American League Central,
Speaker 3: the Chicago White Sox now have the best odds. They
Speaker 3: have leaped ahead of the Cleveland Guardians and fangrafs is
Speaker 3: giving the White Sox a forty two percent chance of
Speaker 3: winning the American League Central But in order for the
Speaker 3: best possible outcome for the White Sox in with this
Speaker 3: trade of Luis Castillo, obviously not just for twenty twenty six,
Speaker 3: but beyond, maybe they get lucky and twenty twenty seven
Speaker 3: is a great season for Louis Castillo and that besting
Speaker 3: option picks up because of the quality of innings that
Speaker 3: he's given the White Sox next season. In order for
Speaker 3: that to happen, though, Louis Castillo needs to make some adjustments,
Speaker 3: and Chris Getz is pretty confident the White Sox can
Speaker 3: help them using the case study of what we've seen
Speaker 3: this year from Jordan Hicks.
Speaker 4: You know, Luis was in piggyback roles. He was, you know,
Speaker 4: coming out of the bullpen and then you know, being
Speaker 4: cut short at times, and you know, just I think
Speaker 4: that that really did have you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: if you would admit it, but I think anyone you
Speaker 4: know that's been tracking it closely and knowing how you know,
Speaker 4: starters are such creatures of habit and are such competitors,
Speaker 4: especially someone like Louis Castillo, you know that that probably
Speaker 4: did have an effect on him to what extent, I
Speaker 4: don't really know, other than the fact that when they
Speaker 4: gave him a you know, a clean star garading role
Speaker 4: in that rotation, I think it was right around mid
Speaker 4: uh mid June. Since then, I mean, it's a it's
Speaker 4: a you know, a sub for it's a three. It's
Speaker 4: in the three era level. So the production, uh is there,
Speaker 4: the stuff grades that we have, you know, execution all
Speaker 4: of that, you know, just the the adjusted kind of
Speaker 4: e RA, but also just what we believe is still
Speaker 4: in there. And sure I think that there's there's going
Speaker 4: to be opportunity to perhaps tweak an arsenal or some
Speaker 4: of the delivery. And and you know, I look at
Speaker 4: Zach Bow and our pitching groom, Brian Banister, and what
Speaker 4: we've been able to do with some arms. You know,
Speaker 4: Jordan Hicks comes to mind. I know, you know, in
Speaker 4: the off season, acquiring Jordan Hicks. On the surface, perhaps
Speaker 4: that deal didn't make a whole lot of sense. Why
Speaker 4: did they do this? And and truthfully, we saw that
Speaker 4: there was still plenty of talent in Jordan Hooks obviously
Speaker 4: in that case getting sandled in as well, a deal
Speaker 4: like that and being able to unlock Jordan Hicks and
Speaker 4: the impact that he's having right now too. Now, how
Speaker 4: does that apply here? We think that there's there's positive
Speaker 4: adjustments they're going to have, but even at its at
Speaker 4: its floor, just being able to provide these innings is
Speaker 4: going to be significant for the Chicago White Sox based
Speaker 4: on the current group that we have, which is a
Speaker 4: young starting group that really hasn't provided that whole you
Speaker 4: know a lot of innings. And we've got to protect
Speaker 4: the bullpen as well. They've the bullpen has done a
Speaker 4: really nice job. But the quickest way of taxing a
Speaker 4: bullpen is asking them to do too much and cover
Speaker 4: starter innings as well. So that was part of the
Speaker 4: calculus as well.
Speaker 3: So what's next for the Chicago White Sox before the
Speaker 3: trade deadline? Well, really sounds like from Chris Gaetz that
Speaker 3: he like to add another catcher.
Speaker 4: We're staying in contact with clubs and you know they're there.
Speaker 4: It seems that there are a handful of clubs that
Speaker 4: are out there looking for catching. So that's you know,
Speaker 4: made the market maybe move a little bit slower than
Speaker 4: you would like. So we're going to continue to monitor,
Speaker 4: you know, the catching market. I anticipate we do something
Speaker 4: I just don't know when and you know and who
Speaker 4: who's going to be coming our way.
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Speaker 10: Great over, Yeah, it was great. I mean a series
Speaker 10: where you give up three runs there offensively did a
Speaker 10: great job. I thought it was really cool today. Cep
Speaker 10: Pereira who was in the lineup and who made that
Speaker 10: late lineup change and had a big day. It was
Speaker 10: really a difference for us.
Speaker 5: It's the cables.
Speaker 11: That's not a season.
Speaker 10: Yeah, everything you had everything working and it did a
Speaker 10: really good job and hitters counties and the off speed stuff,
Speaker 10: but really had everything working today. Obviously really efficient there.
Speaker 10: I mean it was first four nings. I think it was,
Speaker 10: you know under forty pitches are at forty pitches just
Speaker 10: really a fishing a really good job by him. Really
Speaker 10: great to see, you know, for a guy to work
Speaker 10: around some trouble there and then.
Speaker 2: Really doing this show.
Speaker 5: It's the race team to be it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, all these games are important, you know, obviously your season,
Speaker 10: everyone of these games is gonna be important with you're
Speaker 10: at home or on the road, come down here in
Speaker 10: a tough place to play against the best team in
Speaker 10: the America League.
Speaker 1: Was really special.
Speaker 5: This is a race team doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 5: You're kind of able to seize on them the first thing.
Speaker 5: And how do you feel like they kind of set
Speaker 5: the town or put you guys in an advantage point
Speaker 5: for the rest.
Speaker 10: Of the day. Yeah, it was huge. You know, to
Speaker 10: get two runs early, it is obviously a nice way
Speaker 10: to start the game. And really because of those two errors, right,
Speaker 10: I mean, those were two tough plays for them where
Speaker 10: obviously they're such a good defensive team that they usually
Speaker 10: make those. But you know, a good job by our guys.
Speaker 5: Citty Avenage, Jenn Score does a wild pitch. But was
Speaker 5: that a double steel attempt or what was that?
Speaker 10: It wasn't a double steal, No, I think it was
Speaker 10: a read by Benny just to move up on a
Speaker 10: dirt ball. And yeah, we just did a nice job
Speaker 10: on the backside there on the front side, I should say,
Speaker 10: with Coles on and then Benny obviously continue on the
Speaker 10: second base.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 12: H you know, Unfortunately, well, if there is a nine
Speaker 12: hole hitter, which end of the day. But yeah, it
Speaker 12: was good to you know, go out there and get
Speaker 12: some length that you know, I've wanted to, you know,
Speaker 12: all the year, and you know it was good to
Speaker 12: you know, just be be able to be out there good.
Speaker 11: Just from the command standpoint.
Speaker 10: How satisfying was your.
Speaker 4: Performance here today?
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was really good. I mean continued from last week.
Speaker 12: I think last week, you know it was really good
Speaker 12: and kind of just continued with that.
Speaker 11: I don't think you guys have to make any sort
Speaker 11: of statement. You're in the first place by three games.
Speaker 11: There's fifty one games. Le's that you've proven on good yard.
Speaker 11: But if there was a statement, you guys did that
Speaker 11: this week. I mean, how do you feel about what
Speaker 11: this team did this entire weekend against the team with
Speaker 11: the best.
Speaker 12: Record Americanly, Yeah, it's been good. I mean, anytime you
Speaker 12: can win a series, it's really good. And you know,
Speaker 12: taking two and four from the Yankees and then two
Speaker 12: and the three from here, it's kind of, you know,
Speaker 12: shows where we're at in the league.
Speaker 5: You were able to get you have two cutters in
Speaker 5: on the hands of guys to get out at fourth
Speaker 5: any jam. But you will kind of describe to everything
Speaker 5: working like do you feel like your full yards? That
Speaker 5: was kind of know at your commands of it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's kind of you know, my go
Speaker 12: to pitches of getting the cutter in on guys, and
Speaker 12: you know the I think a lot of the success
Speaker 12: today led with that. And I think, you know kind
Speaker 12: of show, you know, getting the cutter in leads to
Speaker 12: you know, gamble to use a change up a little
Speaker 12: bit more and using the forcing them up a little bit.
Speaker 12: So I think, you know, just kind of you know
Speaker 12: when that thing's work, and that's when I'm on my best.
Speaker 3: Now joining me on the Sox Machine podcast ISS Sox
Speaker 3: Machines Beat reporter James Vegan joining me from Tampa as
Speaker 3: he covered this weekend series for US down in Florida.
Speaker 3: And James, this is a bit of a shock. I
Speaker 3: don't think a lot of people who cover the White Sox,
Speaker 3: even White Sox fans, We're expecting the White Sox to
Speaker 3: roll into Tampa and win this series, but to do
Speaker 3: so so convincingly, only holding the race at three runs.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about the pitching in a moment, but what's
Speaker 3: your instant reaction having watched these three games, and what
Speaker 3: it means for the White Sox to go to Tampa
Speaker 3: and win this series.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean they allowed to run all weekend, so
Speaker 5: I think the pitching obviously performed remarkably well and allowed
Speaker 5: them to, you know, statistically look like they dominated the series.
Speaker 5: Would certainly be in every game in a way like
Speaker 5: a Tampa offense that really great top three and then
Speaker 5: it's very like matchup and you know, glove first guys
Speaker 5: from there. But it's funny we're talking about them upgrading
Speaker 5: the rotation and obviously you know, absorbing money to get
Speaker 5: Louis Castillo and you know, still being on the hunt
Speaker 5: for more starting pitching potentially, and they're the weakest links,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe had arguably their best out into the season,
Speaker 5: like Eric Fetti throws five innings of onone run ball
Speaker 5: and gets demoted to the bullpen afterwards, and we're still
Speaker 5: wondering out Noah Schultz, well, because there's you know, he's
Speaker 5: at eighty eight innings. I think his career high is
Speaker 5: eighty eight and a third. That would make a consideration
Speaker 5: for you know, what the postseason picture is going to
Speaker 5: look like for him and as his role regardless, But
Speaker 5: you know, talking about maybe upgrading from him, because obviously
Speaker 5: he's there still in the fives and he looks as
Speaker 5: good as ever and kind of in a way where
Speaker 5: both with how he pitched and how he talks afterwards
Speaker 5: kind of is starting like, hey, this is how I
Speaker 5: want to operate. We've kind of tinker with a lot
Speaker 5: of iterations like this is the way I want to
Speaker 5: work East West sinker cutter and all that. You know,
Speaker 5: Anthony k arguably one of the best starts of the year,
Speaker 5: if not the best, because of his career I six
Speaker 5: and the third innings. You know, he wasn't blowing people
Speaker 5: away necessarily, but like kind of like I deal like
Speaker 5: Anthony K outing of just like weak ground balls, very
Speaker 5: efficient throwing strikes, you know exactly what. You watch him
Speaker 5: on film and Japan in the offseason and hope like, hey,
Speaker 5: come do that over here. So it's not the necessarily
Speaker 5: your game one or Game two starter candidates in this series.
Speaker 5: And that's you know, any given three game series you
Speaker 5: can kind of do well. And I certainly think with
Speaker 5: the way the White Sox have played consistently over the season,
Speaker 5: you wouldn't say put it past them to you know,
Speaker 5: beat the Rays in a series. It's just that you
Speaker 5: felt like you were getting certainly three of the Ray's
Speaker 5: best starters, like seeing Rasmus in there, that this was
Speaker 5: like not this was not the back of their rotation
Speaker 5: against the top of the raised rotation in some sense
Speaker 5: and for them to come out. But yeah, the offense
Speaker 5: clicked a you know, a couple of games, and I
Speaker 5: feel like they maybe got to like the back end
Speaker 5: of the bullpended late a bit more Sunday, whereas like
Speaker 5: Friday was really where they kind of performed their best
Speaker 5: and show the most power. I don't know why I'm
Speaker 5: blanking on Friday starter for the Nick Martinez. Nick Martinez
Speaker 5: all start, you know, you are a leader and certainly
Speaker 5: someone who I was like weary, Like this feels like
Speaker 5: super charged kider Montero. If someone's just gonna like attack
Speaker 5: in the zone and they like always try to blitz
Speaker 5: people and try to like you know, have this thunders
Speaker 5: contact and you see them pile up in contact and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, like the guys into the sixth
Speaker 5: inning on sixty pitches. Whereas Martinez was really efficient, but
Speaker 5: they had a bunch of home runs off of him.
Speaker 5: Basically you saw the game point work, but really I
Speaker 5: thought pitch was what really showed up. And it's kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, interesting, like it's the guys you're thinking about,
Speaker 5: and now the rotation. Sir Anthony Iminga's had a great
Speaker 5: inning in the series, looked awesome, struck out two guys,
Speaker 5: possibly the Bessie's looking at sacks uniform. It was a
Speaker 5: Swan song, so it's a It was a obviously a
Speaker 5: great performance. Obviously a lot of guys who are going
Speaker 5: to be here through the stretch run performing very well
Speaker 5: on this, but also like kind of some contributors that
Speaker 5: you kind of think they're planning around, not counting on
Speaker 5: right performing as well as well well.
Speaker 3: Taking a look at the American League Central standings and
Speaker 3: the White Sox are fifty nine and fifty two this season.
Speaker 3: They have a three game lead over the Cleveland Guardians,
Speaker 3: and that's significant because when you look at the American
Speaker 3: League East and American League West, the White Sox have
Speaker 3: the largest division lead in the American League right now.
Speaker 3: The Houston Astros have just absolutely caught on fire. They
Speaker 3: have taken over in the American League West. I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone could make sense of what's going on in
Speaker 3: that division and the Yankees winning some games at Wrigley
Speaker 3: Field this week in the White Sox doing them a
Speaker 3: favor and beating the Rays this weekend, they are within
Speaker 3: three games. So yeah, the White Sox in the American League,
Speaker 3: James Vegan, I have the largest division lead in the league,
Speaker 3: which is just really just fascinating right now of this
Speaker 3: particular season for the White Sox. But I did want
Speaker 3: to follow up as far as on the pitching side,
Speaker 3: because you make good points. Let Eric Fetti's going to
Speaker 3: the bullpen and Noah Schultz had an opener. Jordan Hicks
Speaker 3: looked very efficient in that first inning, and then Anthony kay.
Speaker 3: Not only did Anthony Kay I think pitched well to contact,
Speaker 3: but Anthony k made some great defensive plays. I want
Speaker 3: to start with Noah Schultz because it was something that
Speaker 3: Schultz said postgame. James said he has a good working
Speaker 3: relationship with Edgar Carroll. And if you didn't get a
Speaker 3: chance podcast listeners to listen to live reaction when the
Speaker 3: White Sox made the trade for Luis Castillo. You heard
Speaker 3: from Chris Gatz to the earlier part of the show
Speaker 3: talking about in that he doesn't know who the next
Speaker 3: catcher is going to be that they acquire, but the
Speaker 3: plan is for the White Sox before the trade deadline
Speaker 3: tomorrow that they're going to add another catcher with that
Speaker 3: relationship that Noah Schultz in the competence that he has
Speaker 3: with Edgar Carro. Does that help Edgar Caro keep his
Speaker 3: job at least with the major league roster? And are
Speaker 3: the White Sox looking to replace Drew Romo?
Speaker 5: I would think no, Romo's gonna getting the majority of
Speaker 5: the starts, and that continued through this series since they
Speaker 5: lost heel. He's they're either splitting as either the Yankee
Speaker 5: series or Romo's doing two out of three okay, so,
Speaker 5: and he's a superior framer and that like push comes
Speaker 5: a shove, that's usually what they value, especially like in
Speaker 5: a situation right now, like if Caro just like caught
Speaker 5: fire or just hit like he did last year, which
Speaker 5: he's showing signs of doing, but maybe not like huge
Speaker 5: games where it's just like oh wow, like how do
Speaker 5: you take that guy out of the lineup? Then that
Speaker 5: that alters it, of course, but you know we're talking
Speaker 5: about literally they're not playing another game before the end
Speaker 5: of the deadline and the GM say we're adding a catcher.
Speaker 5: I don't think that he really has the runway to
Speaker 5: alter the balance and that aspect, even if he thinks
Speaker 5: he's trending in the right direction offensively, and it certainly
Speaker 5: looked more like twenty twenty five Hector Carrow. I think
Speaker 5: like Romo's kind of establishes like the guy that you
Speaker 5: know is framing more close to average at this point
Speaker 5: in his career. Not that Carol can't get there at
Speaker 5: some point, but like right now, and certainly you're talking
Speaker 5: about someone who, when they acquire Catcher and certainly when
Speaker 5: deal comes back, is shifting towards like a playing once
Speaker 5: a series role. You just as soon send the I
Speaker 5: don't know if Karro's turned twenty three yet, but the
Speaker 5: guy who you still feel like has some ceiling back
Speaker 5: to play regularly in LA, I would think, would the
Speaker 5: imagine What stuck out to me about Schultz's comment is
Speaker 5: he's like repeatedly asserting, like the way I've had success
Speaker 5: within the past, and he's obviously twenty two, there's not
Speaker 5: this huge major league track record, but what he's saying
Speaker 5: is like, there's we've seen a lot of iterations. We've
Speaker 5: seen a lot of tinkering with what Schultz does, you know,
Speaker 5: since he's been called up, and really like when they're
Speaker 5: trying to figure out what was wrong with the last
Speaker 5: year of like what do we need to do to
Speaker 5: get slider right? What do we need to emphasize the cutter?
Speaker 5: Do we need to throw more four seams to you know,
Speaker 5: respond to like the high contact break of the sinker.
Speaker 5: And he has this great start and obviously it works
Speaker 5: a bit with like a righty heavy lineup of what
Speaker 5: he's trying to do of like I just want to
Speaker 5: work inside of the sinker, throw the cutter off of that,
Speaker 5: and then I can pepper and change ups and maybe
Speaker 5: the occasional breaking ball as much as like we talked about,
Speaker 5: like he's got to get the breaking ball right, you know,
Speaker 5: coming back from injury, and you know when he was struggling.
Speaker 5: He hasn't used a ton the last couple starts, and
Speaker 5: you're seeing him kind of work hard stuff, try to
Speaker 5: try to pitch the contact, really not fret too much
Speaker 5: about like, oh, I got to get the break bat
Speaker 5: missing breaking ball right, and just kind of be like
Speaker 5: pouring strikes in getting ground offs the way that like
Speaker 5: he was when he was kind of overwhelming guys in
Speaker 5: the lower miners, and Schultze by the first to tell
Speaker 5: you like this is way different than lower miners. He
Speaker 5: kind of felt like I could get away with stuff
Speaker 5: just because my stuff was better than the hitter. As
Speaker 5: I was facing back then, like this is a different beast.
Speaker 5: But I think he's kind of trying to assert the
Speaker 5: way he wants to pitch repeatedly, and Edgar being someone
Speaker 5: who caught him in the miners and has experienced it,
Speaker 5: I think he's invoking like this guy has that experience,
Speaker 5: he knows what I want. We're working well together. We
Speaker 5: just did what I want out there. So I like
Speaker 5: this partnership rather than like I won't pitch to anyone
Speaker 5: but Edgar Carrow type of like Stan, I don't think
Speaker 5: he's making at all. He certainly likes Edgar Carrow. He's
Speaker 5: certainly Caro's revered for, like you know, kind of the
Speaker 5: interpersonal part of like the pitcher catcher handling. Like not
Speaker 5: to take anything away from how good he is at that,
Speaker 5: I just feel like it's a lot of like trying
Speaker 5: to put a stamp like this is the way I
Speaker 5: want to operate. This was good. I want to kind
Speaker 5: of build off this and kind of like I think
Speaker 5: he's speaking up like he's a quiet, physical talker. I
Speaker 5: think his words kind of are are pretty stern in
Speaker 5: the way he's talking and postgame of like a certain
Speaker 5: like I think this works. I want to keep doing this.
Speaker 5: I know we've ben tinking around with different things and
Speaker 5: what needs to work, and there's probably gonna be different
Speaker 5: linepsy faces that maybe require a little bit of something
Speaker 5: that they've tried with him a bit more than this
Speaker 5: lineup did. But that's that's how I read that comment,
Speaker 5: maybe more so than like this is going to flip
Speaker 5: the balance of like the catching depth chart. You know,
Speaker 5: that's probably going to change if Chris Gutz has his
Speaker 5: way right, maybe by the time anyone's hearing this.
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Speaker 3: on Twitter to see if anything does hit up or
Speaker 3: as far as text messages or email, so if any
Speaker 3: breaking news does happen on the recording, it will be
Speaker 3: a very raw and live reaction from James and I.
Speaker 3: During this segment, Eric Vetty moving to the bullpen. How
Speaker 3: is this going to look? James? Is he piggybacking behind starters?
Speaker 3: Is he the emergency guy of a starter just doesn't
Speaker 3: have it and they get knocked down on the third inning?
Speaker 3: What's the plan here with Fetti?
Speaker 5: Bill Vertible didn't want to commit, like, Hey, this is
Speaker 5: like some structure we're going to use, Like they'd like
Speaker 5: to keep them stretched out, they'd like to work on
Speaker 5: multiple innings. It's hard to like have a scheduled fore
Speaker 5: inning outing for your for your relievers, right, That's just
Speaker 5: especially in twenty twenty six baseball, it's all about like
Speaker 5: trying to find matchups and you know, attacking pockets where
Speaker 5: you can. I think it's a bit like it's too
Speaker 5: soon to say he's not used to working like back
Speaker 5: to back days in any sort of way to like
Speaker 5: compare him to like twenty twenty five Vassal maybe like
Speaker 5: a right handed version of what like Schweitzer is doing,
Speaker 5: where like there's opportunities to work multiple innings. I think
Speaker 5: like Fetti's you know kind of more proven against writings
Speaker 5: in a way where it wouldn't necessarily be like as
Speaker 5: exclusively low leverage as it is tends to be with
Speaker 5: like the other like eighth man, the bullpen long guys
Speaker 5: they have, but certainly like it's more length oriented. It's
Speaker 5: certainly like we know this guy works better against Righty's,
Speaker 5: we're gonna try to keep him stretch out. But I
Speaker 5: don't think like they really are coming out of the
Speaker 5: gate promising like, hey, this is gonna be the certain
Speaker 5: structure of what it's gonna be. I'd be surprised if
Speaker 5: he's like pitching the eighth of a one run game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 5: This week that said, like Fetti sweeper is really effective.
Speaker 5: He's run up to ninety five at times this season
Speaker 5: when he's airing it out. I don't think he couldn't
Speaker 5: be a good leverage reliever. I just think it's probably
Speaker 5: gonna take a little bit of time and feeling out
Speaker 5: to really see what he's gonna do in a significant way.
Speaker 5: And you know the nature of the Beast is like
Speaker 5: someone can go down and Fetty's just right back in
Speaker 5: the rotation again. At some point they want to kind
Speaker 5: of keep him at the ready for that to some degree,
Speaker 5: It might depend on how things go in the next
Speaker 5: twenty four hours. They're clearly still trying to get pitching.
Speaker 5: Whether that's certainly sounds like from what they have internally,
Speaker 5: when you have Hagen Smith, when you have Tanner McDougall
Speaker 5: in the bullpen or working to be in the bullpen
Speaker 5: triple A, maybe there's a bit less of like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, we need to proven set up man to
Speaker 5: add to this mix as much as like what we
Speaker 5: really have, what we really don't have immediate like proven
Speaker 5: options in triple A is like someone who can take starts,
Speaker 5: and so you certainly would imagine with what they're trying
Speaker 5: to avoid with prospect usage, though he did, you know,
Speaker 5: leave the door open of like, hey, if we can
Speaker 5: get a start with control, maybe we would trade someone
Speaker 5: who's like top hundred prospect caliber type dude. I'd be
Speaker 5: a little surprised with the way rental prices are, like
Speaker 5: it would have to be like someone pretty studley, I
Speaker 5: think to make sense for what they've tried to say
Speaker 5: about their long term picture, but like they're certainly trying
Speaker 5: to add I think they'd love to come out of
Speaker 5: this the next twenty four hours with the starter in
Speaker 5: some form, So yeah, you kind of have to hang
Speaker 5: loose on what it looks like for anyone. It's like
Speaker 5: moving around.
Speaker 3: Well, James, to your point, like the Toronto Blue Jays
Speaker 3: just picked up off waivers Jamison tai On, who is
Speaker 3: defa'd by the Cubs. That tells me that indicates that
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays are getting ready to position themselves to
Speaker 3: trade Kevin Gausman. And I know you mentioned I think
Speaker 3: that would be a great addition for the White Sox,
Speaker 3: but a lot of teams would love to have Kevin
Speaker 3: Goussman for the last couple of months. I feel like
Speaker 3: even as a rental, you would have to offer quite
Speaker 3: a bit to win that bidding war, I imagine.
Speaker 5: Right, But what gets kind of pushed the brake on
Speaker 5: is like, well, I'm not going to do I'm not
Speaker 5: going to trade prospect Cappal for a rental in some
Speaker 5: major way. Now we just saw him at least Casillo's
Speaker 5: obviously struggling. But in terms of like and obviously a
Speaker 5: big part of what they did this trade was like
Speaker 5: absorbing salary. Maybe they do that again in some form.
Speaker 5: It seems like there's not necessarily like, yeah, they have
Speaker 5: full rain to just absorb salary with abandoned but I
Speaker 5: think he maybe with something lesser than what they just did,
Speaker 5: he could run up that up the tree again. But
Speaker 5: is there a certain way to one find a prospect
Speaker 5: who's maybe intriguing? You know, they talked about how Boston
Speaker 5: Spens was getting asked about and at the same time
Speaker 5: kind of I wouldn't say slagged him, but also so
Speaker 5: like this guy wasn't in the mix for twenty six
Speaker 5: or twenty seven. There's just too much development to really
Speaker 5: peg him as a yeah, you know, an option for
Speaker 5: coroner outfield or certainly like say he's ready to catch
Speaker 5: a major league game in a way that I thought
Speaker 5: was pretty pointed or at least like candid. But is
Speaker 5: there more ways to you know, slide around value like that.
Speaker 5: Obviously you gave up Sir Anthony, who certainly looks like
Speaker 5: a distress asset to hear, but also like very foreseeable
Speaker 5: that he helps a playoff Mariners team down the road,
Speaker 5: like he has that ability more than Mariner is a
Speaker 5: question probably, Sir Anthony at this point, Yeah, are there
Speaker 5: are there still resources on their FROs to do that
Speaker 5: in a way that compels other teams. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: when Luis Castillo will make his White Sox debut next
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sox Machine podcast as we continue
Speaker 3: the conversation of the White Sox winning this series against
Speaker 3: the Tama Bay Rays and on the offensive side, I
Speaker 3: wonder if this is a preview to the path that
Speaker 3: White Sox can find in postseason success, because we know
Speaker 3: that ball go far, team go far in the postseason.
Speaker 3: And in these three games, the White Sox scored fifteen runs.
Speaker 3: They got shut out on Saturday, so they scored fifteen
Speaker 3: runs in their two wins over the weekend. They had
Speaker 3: twenty two hits, seven home runs, and three doubles, So
Speaker 3: almost half of the base hits the White Sox had
Speaker 3: against the Rays this weekend went for extra bases. But
Speaker 3: I look at that seven home run total, James, and
Speaker 3: I think for those around the American League that are
Speaker 3: still not familiar with the Chicago White Sox, I think
Speaker 3: It's easy to look at team stats and be even surprised.
Speaker 3: Maybe others outside of Chicago are just as surprise when
Speaker 3: looking at the American League standings and still seeing the
Speaker 3: White Sox in first place. They're one of the best
Speaker 3: home run hitting teams in Major League Baseball, and you
Speaker 3: saw it on Friday. Murcami Colson, Montgomery, and Miguel Vargas
Speaker 3: all hit home runs again in the same game. That's
Speaker 3: the fifth time this season they do it again. That
Speaker 3: sets a new m WIB record for a Trio hitting
Speaker 3: a home run in the same game. Was this weekend
Speaker 3: kind of the blueprint the White Sox may have to follow.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm saying this. When the postseason comes around,
Speaker 3: if they are going to make a run and be
Speaker 3: this dark core se could surprise even more people in
Speaker 3: the American League.
Speaker 5: Yes, and no. Like their home run power is established,
Speaker 5: I think it can be the way that they win
Speaker 5: a game or two in a series. I don't think
Speaker 5: I think like, especially like what we've seen in their
Speaker 5: offense in the second half, they're not going to have
Speaker 5: the game that they hit four home runs in the
Speaker 5: game every time, or even like necessarily four out of seven.
Speaker 5: I think that the fact that they have this ability
Speaker 5: to like we just went off, we hit three four
Speaker 5: homers and we took took the game away and ran
Speaker 5: with it. That's still a unique ability for them to
Speaker 5: do it like once or twice in a playoff series.
Speaker 5: I don't. Like, it's just not something they can do
Speaker 5: on command. Like I don't. I can't imagine they get
Speaker 5: through a whole postseason, they win the World Series just
Speaker 5: because like they just homer their way to victory, like
Speaker 5: a majority of the games in a playoff series, like
Speaker 5: round after after round. Maybe that'd be amazing, Like I'd
Speaker 5: love to watch it. I don't. I don't think it's
Speaker 5: quite been. Like they run into arms that are able
Speaker 5: to defend them or make them win in different ways.
Speaker 5: And that's why they're like as much as like they've
Speaker 5: clearly defined their identity more and more around slug as
Speaker 5: the season wore on, they're the ones that tell you, like,
Speaker 5: we've got to have adjustability and are swinging. We got
Speaker 5: to be able to like back the ball up hit
Speaker 5: the opposite field when like the situation is like when
Speaker 5: it's not there, like just talking like Colson, God, it's
Speaker 5: always a confusion to like record a podcast for the
Speaker 5: next day and then try to remember when I had
Speaker 5: a conversation Saturday talking to Colson about like in a
Speaker 5: situation like he was like Bryan Fuller was talking about
Speaker 5: him in the week, and so like Colson, he's a
Speaker 5: power hitter. He swings with loft. When he misses, he's
Speaker 5: probably gonna be swinging under fastballs. And it's talking to
Speaker 5: Colson like when you're in a situation, when you're in
Speaker 5: this league now where everyone's throwing three fastball shapes, you know,
Speaker 5: how do you kind of like you know, it's natural
Speaker 5: for you to go through periods or maybe're swinging underballs
Speaker 5: a little bit you have to recalibrate. But how do
Speaker 5: you kind of recalibrate in a world where like everyone's
Speaker 5: throwing through fastball shapes and it's like, well, you got
Speaker 5: to kind of just pick one, Like you're not gonna
Speaker 5: be able to cover all three if you gear your
Speaker 5: approach around like adjusting you all three, like you can't
Speaker 5: do it. You're not like gonna be up there and
Speaker 5: you're going to be like realizing mid flight, like, oh,
Speaker 5: this isn't a fores seem it's a sinker and adjust
Speaker 5: your swing. That's not how anything works. That's the thought
Speaker 5: you have while walking back to the dugout. So like
Speaker 5: I kind of have to really prioritize and commit to
Speaker 5: like jumping on the one I'm looking for when I
Speaker 5: see it. And you know, we're at the end of
Speaker 5: this conversation about us talking about swing planes and fastball shapes.
Speaker 5: You can probably pick out which one I'm good at,
Speaker 5: and that's probably the one I'm really going to commit
Speaker 5: to most of the time. And there's gonna be ups
Speaker 5: and downs. But I really want to do is like
Speaker 5: commit to my plan, like results will come. Sometimes the
Speaker 5: results aren't there. I want to stay committed and then
Speaker 5: like maximize my eyes opportunities to really jump on balls
Speaker 5: that fit my swing. But like the nature of what
Speaker 5: he's saying is like sometimes they're just not gonna throw
Speaker 5: him his pitch. He's getting changed, Like he's talking about
Speaker 5: like every time I feel like I got it nailed down,
Speaker 5: I start seeing a new way of people pitching me,
Speaker 5: and I gotta kind of learn it. Just that, which
Speaker 5: is kind of like why he can seem frustrated on
Speaker 5: in the game or on the field, and you see
Speaker 5: him throw his bat or be like why did I
Speaker 5: do that? But then you talk to him post game
Speaker 5: and he's just like very zen about it all. I
Speaker 5: was like, I just discovered kind of a new way
Speaker 5: I'm getting attacked. I'm gonna try to have to learn
Speaker 5: this now. So yeah, I think there's gonna be games.
Speaker 5: You know, this series is perfectly represented. There was one
Speaker 5: game in the series where they just like hit a
Speaker 5: bunch of homers and again, like I obviously someday like
Speaker 5: you saw it at the end, but like that was
Speaker 5: so much about like they got a lead and then
Speaker 5: they got the secondary bullpen pieces they you know, they
Speaker 5: jumped and turned to the capitalize on some Marizaga tuoo.
Speaker 1: You know Ben and Tendi.
Speaker 5: Ben and Tenny had like probably the best swings of
Speaker 5: anyone on a team this weekend. Like he had one
Speaker 5: home ru on Sunday, you know, obviously had one home
Speaker 5: run Friday too. He had the crap out of two
Speaker 5: other balls on Sunday. He had authoritative swings all weekend.
Speaker 5: We were like going gaga about, like, oh, it's the
Speaker 5: fifth time that Vargus and Markami of all homer in
Speaker 5: the same game. And Colson's like Ben Attendi Homer too,
Speaker 5: you guys know, so don't don't sleep on him a
Speaker 5: little bit. But like they can have this game where like, oh,
Speaker 5: they just overpower it, but like there was two other games,
Speaker 5: one where they get shut out and the other one
Speaker 5: where they have to kind of scrap their way to
Speaker 5: get runs until they break it open late. I think
Speaker 5: that's probably more representive what a playoff series looks for
Speaker 5: them that sure, Like will they have like a three
Speaker 5: game sweep where like they you know, maybe hop on
Speaker 5: a couple of vulnerable starters and they win the series
Speaker 5: on home runs. Maybe that'd be awesome. That would, you know,
Speaker 5: of course, be the first playoff series in fifteen years.
Speaker 5: So I can't poop poo like, oh, they won one
Speaker 5: series off of Homers, but they couldn't win the World
Speaker 5: Series off it. But like that's a tool in their bag.
Speaker 5: Is what the four minute journey to making that point
Speaker 5: I'm trying to make. It's like that's a tool in
Speaker 5: their back. It's not like the model that's how they
Speaker 5: can win. I think they have to win it multiple ways.
Speaker 5: Is what everyone with the White Sox hit He group
Speaker 5: would tell you, is that certain games that's not there
Speaker 5: and you have to scrap in different ways and be
Speaker 5: ready to do that on a moment's notice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to James's point, benettend he had two home runs
Speaker 3: this weekend, almost a third against old friend Craig Kimbrel.
Speaker 3: Miguel Vargas had two homers this weekend. Murcamie Montgomery and
Speaker 3: Everson Pereira really turned it on late on Sunday to
Speaker 3: make that a route for the White Sox. So at
Speaker 3: everything home runs, excellent starting pitching, the bullpen was nails
Speaker 3: to only limit the Rays to just one run in
Speaker 3: each game. Just fantastic work by the White Sox as
Speaker 3: they shocked the Rays and win a really big series.
Speaker 3: As they continue this gauntlet, you can look at it
Speaker 3: a couple of ways. The White Sox went one in
Speaker 3: four in a five game stretch against the Astros and Yankees,
Speaker 3: but now they've gone four and one in their last
Speaker 3: five games. It's the Yankees and Rays. So feeling good
Speaker 3: for the White Sox as they now have the off
Speaker 3: day during the trade deadline and they head to Boston tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Jim Marglus and I will have a more in depth
Speaker 3: conversation about that series, but James does have some news
Speaker 3: as far as the pitching brables between the White Sox
Speaker 3: and the Red Sox this week from Tuesday through Thursday,
Speaker 3: and this will feature the debut of Louis Castillo. So James,
Speaker 3: what's the plan for the White Sox with Louis Castillo?
Speaker 3: When can White Sox fan see him make his first
Speaker 3: start with the team?
Speaker 5: Thursday, he will pitch the series finale of the Boston
Speaker 5: Series Davis Martin and Sean Burke. Leading into that homecoming
Speaker 5: for Sean Burke, I'm sure he'll be amped much more
Speaker 5: than a certain park that will not be named that
Speaker 5: he was slagging openly in the clubhouse to my great amusement.
Speaker 3: Well, it'll be fun to see what Castillo could do
Speaker 3: on Thursday. That is a Thursday night game. And since
Speaker 3: our live stream worked out so well during the low
Speaker 3: Lisa Castillo trade news, there could be a chance we'll
Speaker 3: do another live stream to recap what happened between the
Speaker 3: White Sox and Red Sox before the White Sox come
Speaker 3: home for a critical series against the Cleveland Guardians. So
Speaker 3: big week, big, big, big week for the Chicago White Sox,
Speaker 3: especially for their chances of holding off their rivals in
Speaker 3: the Central and the Guardians. Twins can't still count out
Speaker 3: the Tigers even though they traded away Trek Schouolbull. We'll
Speaker 3: be recapping that trade in other news when it comes
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