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Speaker 1: M H. Welcome back all the smoke, l A Season

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Speaker 1: this whole space. Emmy Award winning journalists. It's been a

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Speaker 1: minute since you've been on here, and you haven't been

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Speaker 1: talking to nobody. Welcome everybody who has something to say,

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Speaker 1: like to officially welcome me to the Showtime family. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're making the announcement. I mean you're part of the

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Speaker 1: So with an honor to have you on board, and

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Speaker 1: we're excited to be working with you. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: am so thrilled. For twenty five years, I have gotten

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Speaker 1: to work with crazy, cool, talented people I admire and

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Speaker 1: few minutes, Let's get straight to it to tell us

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Speaker 1: about your departure from ESPN. Yeah, I mean, look, it

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Speaker 1: and in the contract was that I was going to

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Speaker 1: know it was right. So we had a pandemic. There

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Speaker 1: We could talk ship, but we didn't know what we

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Speaker 1: to get paid for it. Well, Rachel, welcome, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you excited to move forward and

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Speaker 1: uh man, welcome to death Row, I mean show Time man.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap. Rachel Nichols special edishing to all the Smoke.

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Speaker 1: You can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the

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