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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte. Here we are. We are going to

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Speaker 1: recap episode one one one first season eleventh episode is

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Speaker 1: called The Drought and it aired in August of nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety eight. And with us we have Candace Bush, now,

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Speaker 1: the creator of the column Sex and the City and

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Speaker 1: the book Sex and the City and of all of

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Speaker 1: our characters way way way back. So she's going to

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Speaker 1: go through this episode with me, which is super exciting.

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Speaker 1: This episode was directed by Matthew Harrison. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: have no memory of you. I really apologize. And it

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Speaker 1: was written by Michael Green and Michael Patrick King. Michael

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Speaker 1: Patrick King, of course we have a memory of Michael Green.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I also don't remember you. You probably were

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Speaker 1: in LA But thank you for writing this episode. It's

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Speaker 1: an enjoyable one. So this episode, and thank god Candace

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Speaker 1: is here to help me with it. This episode contains

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Speaker 1: this really funny thing that if you ever mentioned Sarah

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Speaker 1: Jessica Parker she is still mortified over, which is the

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Speaker 1: fart I remember at the time the stress about it,

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Speaker 1: was like, don't make it too big. She was very

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Speaker 2: I mean because I watched it a couple of times,

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Speaker 2: I think it's mortifying for a lot of women.

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Speaker 1: But I just felt like for me, it wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't be that big a big a deal, and

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Speaker 2: and you know, they made that fart really really loud.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they thought it had to be

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Speaker 2: Yes, there was also another thing where it was, oh god,

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Speaker 1: With Miranda. Yes, yeah, that was and super mortifying, and

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Speaker 1: Darren Darren was like Candice, there was a big discussion

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Speaker 1: about how big to make that mortiving Yep, No, I know,

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Speaker 1: I mean there were times when for the comedy they

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Speaker 1: if I think back to the time, we were doing

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Speaker 1: things in the show that weren't being done on television

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Speaker 1: and movies, No, you never I've never seen that. No, no, right, So,

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Speaker 1: no wonder we were mortified as actresses, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. We were like, we're doing stuff that no

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Speaker 1: Like what's gonna happen? Like is it so embarrassing as

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Speaker 1: I think the bigger issue, which is what the episode

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Speaker 2: And of course what Samantha says to her doesn't help.

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Speaker 2: It seems like something that Charlotte would have said yeah

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Speaker 1: you know. But luckily Charlotte grew from there. But let's

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting. And Carrie talks to the camera too.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting because we're already in her head, which

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Speaker 1: So did you ever say anything to Darren about you know,

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Speaker 1: It's like, I never do that. Now, nobody I know

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Speaker 1: Whereas back then we didn't really have choices. No, the

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Speaker 1: a great storyline. Samantha's at yoga with that hot yoga instructor,

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Speaker 1: said Artha. Oh my gosh, I did not remember this

432
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: at all.

433
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: I mean that guy's great, yes, and he's celibates super

434
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: interesting because it's like very sexy. And of course, Samantha,

435
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to get you the actor's name so that

436
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: we could not just call him that guy. His name

437
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: is Anthony Desando. Oh, I know, I looked him up

438
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: and he did do other things, but I mean, maybe

439
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: we need to track him down. It's always interesting to

440
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: find these actors, you know, and talk to them.

441
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: It is. Well, I saw that you had Andre yeah

442
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: and yeah, so much fun. Yes, and he's lovely he is,

443
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: and he had nice things to say about you too,

444
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: which was so nice. Yes, he was. He was a

445
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: very nice guy. He's so sweetie he is, and he is.

446
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: In fact, when I wanted.

447
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: To know him on that show, I was like you

448
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: know what, I should look him up. He felt so

449
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: much younger.

450
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god. At the time, Oh yeah yeah, But

451
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: now I'm like, he's really just like ten years younger totally.

452
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: He's a sweetheart. He's a sweetheart. And I do also,

453
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he was so young and beautiful, good God,

454
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: and he's still very beautiful. And this guy reminded me

455
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: also of like really good casting, you know, really good

456
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: casting of that yoga teacher and what I love because

457
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: I remember all the hot yoga you know, power yoga

458
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: classes all had hot men teachers in LA at least,

459
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in New York too, though I was

460
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: too busy working to find out. But Samantha's there and

461
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: she's doing her yoga and he's touching on. Those yoga

462
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: classes were so filled with sexual energy, like really truly

463
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: and was this their actual storyline? Not that I know of.

464
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 2: I never have taken yoga what i've I have, How

465
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: was that possible? Because I can't touch my toes so

466
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: and everyone's always like, oh, you could get in, you know,

467
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: if you keep working at it, you can. It's like, no,

468
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: you don't understand. It's like I am just not built

469
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: that way. Okay, I can do pilates. Okay, well that's

470
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: then you're fine. Okay, then you're fine. So I've actually

471
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: taken maybe two yoga classes in my life, okay, but

472
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: that was such a New York thing.

473
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: It was. It was so good in LA. It could

474
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: have been in LA at that time too, But I

475
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: never met one who was celebated. Those yoga teachers were

476
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: doing well. They were doing well with the ladies, let

477
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: me tell you, yes, But that guy, oh his eyes,

478
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: he was so great, and it was so interesting to

479
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: see Samantha trying all of her Samantha ways and not

480
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: being able to succeed. And then they go out to

481
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: that lunch where he tells her that he's celibate and

482
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: to think about all the sexual energy that he's saved up,

483
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: like it was fascinating exactly. But then she didn't know

484
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: what to do, no, And and I think that, you know,

485
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: that's I mean, there is that what what is that?

486
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: There's there is.

487
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: That technique that supposed to be and yes, supposedly sting

488
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: was all in favor of Yeah, you know, I remember

489
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: that kind of I remember this, Yes, you know you

490
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: talked about hours and hours and hours and you're just

491
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: like whoa.

492
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: And then and you guys even did that episode. Oh

493
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: my god, that was a great episode. Yes, oh lord,

494
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: that was a stressful episode. You guys were talking about

495
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: the episode where there's this this this older couple and

496
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: they're doing tetric sex and then there's handloation. I'm not

497
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: going to go into it, but handloa should get squirted

498
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: at me or Maritt I don't remember. Oh, it was

499
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: so mortifying to watch. And Karen just like he loved that,

500
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: he like found that couple. Yeah, I guess they were

501
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: a real They were. They were they were. I remember this.

502
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: And also in this particular episode is when we watched

503
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: through the windows, and I remember those people had to

504
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: be hired willing to actually have sex, and we were

505
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: not there at the time, and they were, I believe,

506
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: poorn actors, And I'm really sorry if they weren't, but

507
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they were, because they basically said

508
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: to them, you guys are really going to have to

509
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: have sex. They didn't want to have to pretend or whatever.

510
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: They wanted them to actually have sex, but we were

511
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: not there. We didn't have to actually watch. We had

512
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: to pretend that we were watching and then we had

513
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: to all turn our heads at the same time.

514
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: Right, because that moment when everybody turns their heads at

515
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: the same time, it's such a classic sex and the

516
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: City moment. And that photograph is everywhere I know, I

517
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: know of like, I know, it's cute, so it's cute.

518
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: It is. I like it. I mean, we look really

519
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: young and cute and I don't know why my hair

520
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: is parted in the middle, but other than that, it's good.

521
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: And I do remember us just being kind of like, what, like,

522
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: people are actually gonna have sex? What? But then we

523
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: weren't there and they made it private for them and

524
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: all of that, and they had they knew when they

525
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: were hired that that was what they were.

526
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: Going to do, right, And they also seemed to be

527
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: really far away, right, which worked?

528
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: Yea, that worked. That worked.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is when I get together with this dude. Okay,

540
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: so I get together with this guy is exactly Oh

541
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: my gosh, I didn't really remember much of this. Very interesting.

542
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: So I get together with them. I take Carrie out

543
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: to meet him. Turns out they are already know each

544
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 1: other and have hooked up in the past, so they

545
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: don't use those words, but that's what.

546
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: Yes, And she says that he's a sex maniac and

547
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why she's not with him.

548
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: Right, And I'm like, what, because we haven't even had sex,

549
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: and I think he's so polite, But then I'm intrigued,

550
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: it seems, and I want to figure out what this is.

551
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: So I kind of attack him somewhat in the cab

552
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: and I say thanks for respecting my boundaries, you know,

553
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: which is such a Charlotte type of line, and then

554
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: he says sure. But he also the actor plays it

555
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: really well because he's very even keeled, so you don't

556
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: know what's coming but like when you look back, he's

557
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: very even keelled, like he's not bothered by anything, do

558
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Then we get we get

559
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: to the bedroom and you see me just working very

560
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: very hard below frame, right, and he says it's like

561
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: a taffy pole, which is so embarrassing. And I remember

562
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: being super stressed about how we were going to film

563
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: it and trying. And this is one thing I wanted

564
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: to know your thoughts on. One of the things I

565
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: remember being concerned about the first season was that the

566
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: any sex scenes be something that was from the female perspective.

567
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: You know that we were making the show for women

568
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: to watch, not just for the male gaze, right, And

569
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: we didn't want to make the women uncomfortable. And I

570
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: was really worried in that scene that the women were

571
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: going to be uncomfortable. I look at it now, I

572
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 1: think it's really funny and very relatable. Yes, but at

573
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: the time this was just not something that you saw, no,

574
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: especially not working and whatever. I mean, it was so

575
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: many things that you didn't normally see.

576
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Speaker 2: I yes, but don't you feel like you've done so

577
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: much more since then? I mean even and just like that, I.

578
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: Don't know, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know

579
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, you're right, You're right, Candice, Yes,

580
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: you're right. But you know what I think. And I

581
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: was thinking about this earlier because I do think at

582
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Speaker 1: the time, because we were brand new the show, and

583
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: your column was not. It's not like there were columns

584
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: like years all across the country. They weren't Durnham saying

585
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: like it was new. There was a newness to women

586
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: talking honestly about sex and what they wanted and what

587
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: they weren't good at, or what they were worried about

588
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: or all of those things. But I don't think for myself,

589
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: I can say I was not that evolved as a person,

590
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, much less as an actor, like I had insecurities.

591
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: I had a lot of anxiety about my body. I

592
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: was really scared to show my body all the time.

593
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: Now that's not necessarily something where I felt like, yes,

594
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm right, I felt like, no, I want to be

595
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: more evolved, but then my insecurities would get in the

596
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: way and I'd be really nervous. It was always we

597
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: were always included in the decisions about what the storyline was,

598
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: how we were going to film it, what we were

599
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: going to wear. There was paperwork about it. You know.

600
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: It was very involved and I always felt very respected,

601
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: like from the show, from HBO, from everyone, you know,

602
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't I mean, there were a few moments

603
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: maybe where things were not perfect, and then you could

604
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: go to someone and say, hey, can you move you know,

605
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: the camera crew away, and they would do it. You

606
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We had power is really what

607
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean, right, But we were coming from a place

608
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: in the industry where we didn't have power as women,

609
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: as actresses, so it was new, you know, and it

610
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: was new to be showing these things. Like I had

611
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: never seen an actress that I liked, like Sandra Bullock

612
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: or I don't know whoever was of the time, Julia Roberts.

613
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: I had never seen them trying to give a hand

614
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: job off camera and not succeeding. Like do you know

615
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: what I mean right, Like, this is not something that

616
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: was going on, so it's scary to do it, you know.

617
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think the thing that was interesting

618
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: about it and very real is that, you know, sex

619
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: is messy.

620
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: It's true, doesn't always.

621
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't always go It isn't something out

622
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: of like a romance novel.

623
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: No, that's true.

624
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: You know, these are human beings and in some ways,

625
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: like that's sort of the more interesting part.

626
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred percent right. I just didn't

627
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: know it at the time, do you know what I mean? Like,

628
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know it at the time. I felt like,

629
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: we're doing the scary thing. We don't know how people

630
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: are going to react. We don't know if they're going

631
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: to think less of us for doing it. Like I

632
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: just remember my brain just be like, ah, you know,

633
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: which has to do a lot. I mean, I'm sure

634
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: that it has to do a lot with how I

635
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: was raised and shame about sex in general, you know

636
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But we're playing these characters who are,

637
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, on the forefront of trying to change those things,

638
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: which I totally agreed with, right, and I wanted to

639
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: change those things, but I didn't mean it was always

640
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: easy to do, yes, exactly.

641
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: Well, then the guy turned out to be on prozac, right,

642
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: which which.

643
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: Was perfect sense. It is such a good storyline, Yes that,

644
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean that would have been really new then.

645
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, because you know, prozac was a new thing. Yeah,

646
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: and you know, not everybody was taking.

647
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: It yeah, I know. No, it was great and who

648
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: knew anything about it exactly, know all of the side

649
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: effects exactly, and it's perfect and the fact that he

650
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: was so even killed and and I'm like, well, you know,

651
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: mind you go off it and he's like, no, why

652
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: would I do that. He's like, I'm so happy, I

653
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: have no stress exactly. And then you see Charlotte go like, oh,

654
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: this is a big deal. This is a deal breaker

655
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: for me, which is really interesting. I like it so

656
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: much and I have not remember that storyline at all.

657
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: This is one where I'm like, what's going to happen.

658
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: I have all these moments we watch it where I'm like,

659
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: what's going to happen In the threesome episode, I have

660
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: a dream about the threesome and I thought I was

661
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: going to kiss them. I was like, I don't even

662
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: remember kissing those people. I know, but I didn't. I

663
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: didn't Anyway, It's all very interesting. Okay, let's catch up

664
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: one carry. She goes over when Big is watching the fight,

665
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: and that made me sad. That scene just really brought

666
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: me back to that that time of like, you know,

667
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: the men are doing their things and you're trying all

668
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: your things and it's not working, And I really felt

669
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: bad for Carrie.

670
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: Yes, and I feel like we've all been there, yeah

671
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean it's that that just feels, you know,

672
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: very real. But also as a woman back then, that

673
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: would have been one of the most perplexing and disturbing

674
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: moments because we felt like men should always want to

675
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: have sex. Yeah, and then if they don't, then you

676
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: start thinking, what is wrongng, what's wrong?

677
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: What's wrong with me?

678
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: It's got to be something that's wrong with you, right,

679
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: it's not something that's wrong with them. So the interesting

680
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: thing I think this episode, in this episode, is that

681
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: there's actually something wrong.

682
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: With the men. Yeah, not with the women.

683
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: The women are actually fine, like Charlotte's fine, but the

684
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: guy's taking prozac. I don't remember. Like why was mister

685
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: big nutt having sex? He was like just I don't know.

686
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: We never found out.

687
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about mister big this whole

688
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: first season. We really don't. We really don't. I mean,

689
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: and this is so me when I'm watching it. I

690
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: think he's trying to take the relationship to the next level,

691
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: and his next level is that it's not all about sex.

692
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: But that could just be you know, they'd be nice.

693
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: But but I mean that is supposedly like one of

694
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: the signs when you know a relationship is getting more

695
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: serious when you don't have to have sex with the

696
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: guy every night.

697
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: Right, which makes sense. You can just be you can

698
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: just be. Yes. So he's trying his own version and

699
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: this is me being generous towards him, right, He's trying

700
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: his own version of just being himself in front of

701
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: Carrie and what car comes to in the episode in

702
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: her adorable apartment painting phase which I also didn't remember,

703
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: and I get crew or the eggs shell. Oh my god,

704
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: it's so nineties. It's just killing me.

705
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: Well, actually, I think when he comes into that into

706
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: the apartment at the end, I was like, wow, like,

707
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: mister big is really he is really cool in this scene.

708
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: Like for some I was like it was different. His

709
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: acting is really good. Yes here, No, it was the

710
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: first time I liked him. Honestly, I think it was

711
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: the first time I liked him. Yes, I mean it

712
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: was kind of like Rye and nice. He was a

713
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: little nicer. Yes, And he says like I like it,

714
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: and she's like it's a mess, and he's like, no,

715
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: I like it here and you're like, thank God, yes exactly.

716
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: It's like he finally likes something right, and which is

717
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: really nice because also you realize she has not invited

718
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: him over that whole time.

719
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: Yes, interesting, and you know, he's like, finally I get

720
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: to come over and he's very he's very cool. I

721
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: I yes, I agree with you. That's like one of

722
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: the first times that we we really like him.

723
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: And part of the reason we like him is because

724
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: she's kind of shut down because she's been spinning out

725
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: about them not having sex and him kind of like

726
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: man handling her off of him when she's trying to

727
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: kiss him, which is just like painful to watch, right,

728
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: and so and she thinks it's because of the you

729
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: know thing that happened in the bed the beginning that

730
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: we won't mention because I'm you know, Charlotte. But it's not.

731
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: It's because you know, he thinks that's funny. Oh we

732
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: left out that he puts that whoope cushion under her ooh, yes,

733
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: but I think that that.

734
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: Kind of like when I first saw that scene, because

735
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: I'd forgotten about that whoope cushion. I I was like, wait,

736
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: did she fart again?

737
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: Because somehow.

738
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: You know, he was.

739
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: Sneaky quickly.

740
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and but you see like she's sitting kind of

741
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: generally the first time.

742
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

743
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: And then so I wondered if that whoop becushion was

744
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: there the whole time.

745
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: No, he gets it out and does it. He asks

746
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: her to get him sauced, and she says, sure, get

747
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: o get it. She looks at him like you usually

748
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: asked me to do stuff like that, and she goes

749
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: to get it. He gets her up out of that

750
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: chair to put that whoop becushion. It's a plan. Okay,

751
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: he's got a plan. Oh yeah, yea. I I would

752
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: have been mad. I see, I thought it was kind

753
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: of I thought it broke the ice. Well, I think

754
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: that's what you were saying. You probably would have done

755
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: if you had been in Carry's situation, was make a joke,

756
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: which I think is a good that's a good call, right,

757
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm not a Carrie in that way or whatever. Anyway,

758
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: let's get back to them. So I love that scene also,

759
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: But I also love the scene where Miranda comes over

760
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: to help paint and basically has the conversation with her

761
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: about how she isn't up and she should just be

762
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: herself with him. Yes, and that was so it was.

763
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: It's very touching and yeah, and it's a good follow

764
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: through of like how their relationship, the Miranda Carey relationship goes,

765
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: because that is incredible advice. This is why she needs

766
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: she is enough. You know, she should show him her

767
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: messy self, you know, and she really has when she's

768
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: had the drinks and gone over there and kind of

769
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: freaked out, as she calls it. She really has shown

770
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: him some of it. But she should just own it,

771
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: is what Miranda's saying. Yes, and it's interesting because you know,

772
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: that's the kind of advice that we give to women

773
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: all the time. Now.

774
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: Good point is, you know we always say you should

775
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: be yourself and you are enough. Yeah, And it's it's

776
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: interesting because that was, you know, twenty five years ago,

777
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: but now that's advice that we give women all the time,

778
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: which is great yourself.

779
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think anyone ever said that to me

780
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: back then. No, no, And I don't think anyone ever

781
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: said you are enough. I don't even think they said that. No,

782
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: they were just like her exactly. Poor Samantha is Interestingly,

783
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: do you remember that scene of her alone or she's

784
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: going to masturbate because she's been frustrated by this yoga teacher,

785
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: but then she doesn't. It was also really kind of interesting.

786
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to know, I kind of don't. That must

787
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: have been a very short scene. It was, It was,

788
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: and it was more. It was more interesting because I

789
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: don't remember any other time that Samantha couldn't somehow pleasure

790
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: herself or find some way or some person or whatever.

791
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting Samantha. It's interesting in the beginning, you know,

792
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of like this way that way. You know, she's

793
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: there and she's powerful, you know, which I think is

794
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: one of the really really great parts of Samantha is

795
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: the power, the kind of self possession that she has

796
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: and had and whatnot. We'll always have. But like she's

797
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: kind of interestingly like, do you remember early on when

798
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: we go out and she gets drunk and I take

799
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: her home to my apartment, she has sex with my doorman. Yes,

800
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: that is Oh, no, that sell us. No.

801
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, that is so the

802
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: kind of thing that would happen in New York right

803
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: at a certain sure ago. Yeah, I feel like, you know,

804
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a lot of.

805
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: Ways A true story, A true story from yourself? Is

806
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: that why you're not answering right now? Well, no, I

807
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that, okay, but I feel like I know

808
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: people who would do that, got it. I mean, look,

809
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: he was a get it, very very samary. But the

810
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: funny thing was that she was drunk and Charlotte takes

811
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: her home to take care of her. That was the

812
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: part that threw me off. The doorman part made total sense,

813
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: But like that I would have to care take Samantha

814
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: and bring home to my couch, Like how crazy? You

815
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean, She's so you know, in charge

816
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: of everything. But I mean I like that that we

817
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: see these these different sides of her, you know in

818
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: the beginning.

819
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I actually I like the end of that

820
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: episode when she's in the yoga class and she says,

821
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: did I got my guy?

822
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: So hysterical? I'm just like, what I know? Well that

823
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: the first guy she asks is Travis. Who's our prop guy? Oh? Yes,

824
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: that was Travis. I was like, what it's Travis. Travis

825
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: works now on the Gilded Age with Cynthia. He's like

826
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: a fifth generation prop master. Wow. Yeah yeah, And he

827
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: and his sister were our props department and man, let

828
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: me tell you that guy like kept us together for

829
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: the entire show because think about the props in the show,

830
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: props out the wazoo. There were props everywhere, eating drinking

831
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: bags of the you know, Sir Jessica loves props, right,

832
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: Travis was always there, Like Travis would hide if we

833
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: had to pick something up or put something down but

834
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: we couldn't get a piece of furniture in because of

835
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: the camera. Travis's head would just be down here, just ready,

836
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: and you just put it in Travis's hand and pretend

837
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: like you know, and he'd whisk it away. I mean,

838
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: like so many he was so integraled everything. That was

839
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Travis the first person she asked, Oh, that's so funny.

840
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: That funny. I don't know. He's actually a very good actor.

841
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: I know, he was great. He's the one who says

842
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: no and then the one who says yes. I think

843
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: that was an actor. But yeah, that was pretty funny

844
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: and a good good ending. That was a good good

845
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: ending for Samantha for sure. For sure, for sure. And

846
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: then I think we end for the whole episode on

847
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: the big carry, you know, kind of coming together in

848
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: a new way in the apartment which is so adorable.

849
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you an apartment question because

850
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions about Carrie's apartment. Do

851
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: you remember in the pilot she lives over a coffee

852
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: shop with a neon sigence? Yes? Is that accurate to you? Well?

853
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: I lived on the Upper east Side, right, which she

854
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: does in the beginning, and which she does in the beginning.

855
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: But no, the coffee shop. That was very I think

856
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: that was very Darren. Okay, he wanted you know that.

857
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: And then I think, don't they meet in a coffee shop?

858
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: Do they? We us the girls, we do, but we

859
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: don't have the coffee shop set yet. We were meeting

860
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: in this really crazy, uh kind of it restaurant no

861
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: offense in Long Island City.

862
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 2: That didn't last long because it was right.

863
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So eventually we build the coffee shop set, which

864
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: then became the central you know, foursome scene. Right, But Carrie,

865
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: the thing was confusing. Did you write in a coffee shop?

866
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Like what is the coffee shop? Okay? I I feel

867
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: like Darren felt that that was very New York got it? Okay?

868
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: And yes, but okay, now I lived in I actually

869
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: lived in a Dorman building when I was writing Amazed

870
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: Sex in the City, got it okay, based on you. Okay,

871
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: so she's on this I think she says soy six yes,

872
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: which is strange.

873
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: But then like, when did we move to the village?

874
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I don't know either.

875
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: Well, let's just talk about Carrie's apartment because in that episode,

876
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: this episode eleven, Yeah, it's like, wait a minute, her

877
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: apartment looks freaking.

878
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: Huge because I always thought that.

879
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: Her apartment was kind of the bedroom and the closet.

880
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: But in that in that episode, she's got this big kitchen.

881
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: She's painting those cabinets.

882
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: Right now, those cabinets were like and there's a living room, well,

883
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: so it was one it was one room. It was

884
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: like a it was like a circle, right, you know

885
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like you'd come in the door here,

886
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: there were books here, and the kitchen was here. It's

887
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: the kitchenette I think would be the proper term. And

888
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: the cabinets were set back a little bit, right, so

889
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: there is like a little like when she's in that

890
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: little area painting that one cabinet, that's realistic to the

891
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: apartment set that we've had forever, right, and then you

892
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: would come back out, like in the pilot, which I

893
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: wonder where we filmed that, we have Chinese food. Do

894
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: you remember all the girls are at her house and

895
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: we have Chinese food. Maybe we did have this. I

896
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: don't know if we have this have built, but you so.

897
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: Then you would come out and she had that kind

898
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: of ugly chaise lounge that was big and square, like

899
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: rectangle square, with kind of like turquoiseish fabric on it,

900
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: and that was kind of floating in the middle. Then

901
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: there was a coffee table. Then the bed's right there,

902
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: so there's no wall or anything. The beds.

903
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: It's not that big, but somehow in that episode it

904
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: felt like there was some kind of separation and I

905
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: just was thinking, like.

906
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: How did it grow bigger?

907
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I remember, And of course that made me

908
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: jealous because that's New York City.

909
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: It's funny. Nobody never has a big enough apartment. Well,

910
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: it's true, and in the beginning we definitely didn't because

911
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: when we're in Charlotte's it's like that's when I had

912
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: two flats, two white walls. Yes, we would just move

913
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: whichever way had to be moved, which is really entertaining.

914
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: But I do think with Carrie's I think what happened

915
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: was they got a crane to swoop down, so you're

916
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: seeing it slightly different way than you have previously because

917
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: things straight on. They like to shoot her straight on

918
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: through the window when she's typing, right, So this was

919
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: the first time I think there had been kind of

920
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: like a cool crane shot. But in the pilot or

921
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: maybe the first episode, probably the pilot, there was also

922
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: a this is when the neon signs outside the window. Yes,

923
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, she looks like she has literally one room

924
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: that's as big as the area that you and I

925
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: are talking, and there's like an empty Champagne model. There

926
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: are clothes everywhere, like she's like eighteen years old, you

927
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it is a mess, a

928
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: mess to the point where was like, I do not

929
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: think that is how Candice was living when she was

930
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: writing that column. Do I mean like it was a lot?

931
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: I was sleeping on a fold out couch when I

932
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 2: was writing that column.

933
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: Oh what? Okay, yes, wow, maybe that's what Darren was

934
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: basing it on. And it probably was pretty messy too, okay, okay, okay, yes,

935
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: that's interesting and and I had, and I lived.

936
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: In this apartment with that a friend and I had.

937
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 2: It was really like our office slash, but I lived there,

938
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: so I slept on a fold out couch.

939
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: Wow.

940
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: And and then there was a little kitchen and I

941
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: put my desk in the window in the kitchen and

942
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: so that kind of looked out on an air shaft,

943
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: and so that was you know, so I was always

944
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: like looking out it was.

945
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: It was a partial air shaft. Got it, so Darren

946
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: was I made it a little bit and there was like,

947
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: oh god, but so he kind of it's like he

948
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: took that and made it a little more cinematic, yes,

949
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and then then it maybe grew once

950
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: we built the set, yes, I would say so. Yeah.

951
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: And then the.

952
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Closet for Carris was just like a row that went

953
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. It was just the hallway that went

954
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. So they just had hanging and shelves there.

955
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: So it wasn't there weren't really that many walls, you

956
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was kind of a glorified studio, right, yes,

957
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: which is what it yeah, was supposed to be, right yeah,

958
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: all right, thank you for being with us. Candice, it's fun, right,

959
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: It's so much fun, and you're really in at this.

960
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: Thank you,