WEBVTT - 4/9/26: Oil Executives Panic, Bibi Rejects Ceasefire, Iran Victory Cements Gov Power

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<v Speaker 3>dot com. Let's turn now to the most critical thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The Strait of Horror moves. The White House is all

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<v Speaker 3>over the.

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<v Speaker 1>Place on the Straits of hornor moves.

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<v Speaker 3>They are claiming that, as part of the Seasfire, that

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<v Speaker 3>the strait would be free and open, and yet immediately

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<v Speaker 3>after the Seasfire was implemented, Iran announced yao ships you

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<v Speaker 3>can pass maybe only twelve to fifteen a day with

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<v Speaker 3>the permission of the IRGC in coordination with Iranian military forces.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to avoid the minds. Only we know where

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<v Speaker 3>they are, so you're going to have to go exactly

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<v Speaker 3>where or we tell you to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and you're going to have to pay us.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what the White House how they reacted to some

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<v Speaker 3>of this news that clearly the strait was not open.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a listen.

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<v Speaker 4>Safe media is saying that Iran is now closed off

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<v Speaker 4>the straight at four Moose today a response to really

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<v Speaker 4>attacks on Lebanon. What's the White House response to that?

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<v Speaker 5>With respect to the first reporting out of Iranian state media,

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<v Speaker 5>the President was made aware of those reports before I

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<v Speaker 5>came to the podium.

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<v Speaker 6>That is completely unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 5>And again this is a case of what they're saying

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<v Speaker 5>publicly is different privately. We have seen an uptick of

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<v Speaker 5>traffic in the strait today, and I will reiterate the

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<v Speaker 5>President's expectation and demand that the strait of her Moose

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<v Speaker 5>is reopened immediately, quickly and safely.

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<v Speaker 6>That is his expectation.

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<v Speaker 5>It has been relayed to him privately that that is

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<v Speaker 5>what's taking place in These reports publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>Are false, Yeah, these are false. Not so far.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, let's go and put C two up there on

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<v Speaker 3>the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't believe us. Believe the oil industry.

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<v Speaker 3>The oil industry has gone and lit up the White

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<v Speaker 3>House switchboard, saying, hey, you can't have this happen. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't just allow them to charge tolls. One of them

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<v Speaker 3>even said, but you said you won the war, and

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<v Speaker 3>here we are having to pay the Iranian government and

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<v Speaker 3>potentially in crypto and or in one to circumvent the

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<v Speaker 3>petro dollar and any sort of US sanctions regime. They say, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't have to do that before. I thought we

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<v Speaker 3>won the war. Any place you have access to the administration,

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<v Speaker 3>you ask what are you guys thinking? The response administrations

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<v Speaker 3>officials were giving is not a cold shoulder. It's more like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll take note noted, Yeah, noted.

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<v Speaker 1>But getting left on thumbed up.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're the CEO of Exxon Mobile, it shows you

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<v Speaker 3>who's got the power in this relationship, though, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 6>Not to mention? I mean, get used to it. This

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<v Speaker 6>is the new reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I was saying, Yannis Farah Fox, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we know now how this will ultimately end. Now does

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<v Speaker 2>it actually end now in some sort of agreement or

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<v Speaker 2>does the US Is it too much for Jerome Trump

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<v Speaker 2>to swallow right now? Does he need to go in

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<v Speaker 2>and take more pain? Before ending up with effectively the

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<v Speaker 2>same agreement that they would have to come to now,

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<v Speaker 2>which includes incredible concessions to Iran. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a question of when, because the Iranians have de facto

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<v Speaker 2>effectively already won wars really reveal what an actual what

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<v Speaker 2>the actual power dynamics are, and Iran has proven that

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<v Speaker 2>there is effectively no military operation that could take back

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<v Speaker 2>control of the straight of hormones. There is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a new reality there period end of story that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be consequential, not only in terms of.

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<v Speaker 6>Iran becoming tremendously I mean quite.

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<v Speaker 2>Wealthy, the toll that they're going to be able to charge,

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<v Speaker 2>and having incredible power. Now they have effectively the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to sanction countries and wield levers that they did not

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<v Speaker 2>have before. So you have the rise of Iran as

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<v Speaker 2>this new fourth World. But you're gonna have other countries

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<v Speaker 2>around the world who are like, hey, we've got a

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<v Speaker 2>key waterway here as well, why can't we do what

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<v Speaker 2>the Irradiance do.

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<v Speaker 6>Why can't we also charge it toll.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're going to do it, we're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>advantage of that too. So this is a whole new

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<v Speaker 2>world and the oil industry executives can bitche moon all

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<v Speaker 2>they want, but at the end of the day, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure the Trump administration would love to figure out how to.

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<v Speaker 6>Get the straight of hor.

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<v Speaker 2>Moves back to the status quol that existed before they

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<v Speaker 2>themselves started this incredibly stupid war.

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<v Speaker 6>If they knew how to do that, they would have

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<v Speaker 6>already done.

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<v Speaker 3>Air. All the Zionists in like twenty twenty three were like,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a sea spire on October sixth, there's tea spiring.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, well, there's free and open straight on February

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seven. There was a free and open to straight

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<v Speaker 3>of horn moves on February twenty seven. Now there's not. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>they're the ones who get to set those terms. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>put C three up there on the screen. Iran now

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<v Speaker 3>demands crypto fees for ships passing horror moves through c SPAR.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to read through this just to show you

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<v Speaker 3>exactly how much control they have over the straits of

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<v Speaker 3>Horror moves, so you can actually hear it out. Hamad Hosseini,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a spokesperson for the Iranian Oil and Gas Exporters Union,

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<v Speaker 3>told the Financial Times. Iran wanted to collect toll fees

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<v Speaker 3>from any tank or passing and to assess each ship quote.

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<v Speaker 3>Iran needs to monitor what goes in and out of

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<v Speaker 3>the strait to ensure these two weeks aren't used for

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<v Speaker 3>transferring weapons. Everything can pass through, but the procedure will

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<v Speaker 3>take time for each vessel, and Iran is not in

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<v Speaker 3>a rush. So this is not just charging a fee.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like being boarded by the coast guard some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of customs union. And we're not talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not talking about in their destinarily, just in their

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<v Speaker 3>territorial waters. We're talking about in a previously free and

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<v Speaker 3>open international shipping corridor where basically it's now like here

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<v Speaker 3>in the Potomac River, where if you have a boat

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<v Speaker 3>and this coast they're like, oh, where's your license?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we see the cargo list? What do you have

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<v Speaker 1>on board?

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<v Speaker 7>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me continue.

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<v Speaker 3>They also say that it is halting passage of the

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<v Speaker 3>oil tankers in response into the Israeli strikes on Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 3>But before that, any tank or passing must send exactly

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<v Speaker 3>as I said, a cargo listening that it informs them

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<v Speaker 3>of what is on board. Iran will then inform them

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<v Speaker 3>of the toll to be paid. He said that the

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<v Speaker 3>tariff is now one dollar per barrel of oil, adding

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<v Speaker 3>that empty tankers may a lot be allowed to pass freely.

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<v Speaker 3>Once the email arrives and Iran completes his assessment, vessels

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<v Speaker 3>will be given a few seconds to pay in bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 3>ensuring that they can't be traced or confiscated. Due to sanctions,

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<v Speaker 3>The tankers on the golf have received a radio broadcast

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<v Speaker 3>saying they will be targeted with military strikes unless they

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<v Speaker 3>first gain approval from Iranian authority. That is total and

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<v Speaker 3>complete control of the strait for mouse. It literally rivals

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, any other choke point in the globe,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Panama Canal or Egypt. As Yana said on

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<v Speaker 3>our show, Panama only owns five or gets five billion

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<v Speaker 3>from its transit through the Panama Canal. Egypt gets ten.

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<v Speaker 3>Iran is on track if this were to hold, to

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<v Speaker 3>get seventy to ninety billion dollars, it would make them

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<v Speaker 3>one one of the wealthiest countries in the entire Middle East.

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<v Speaker 3>So if they're able, let's say that even if we

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<v Speaker 3>don't take sanctions, relieve off and yeah, you get bitcoin

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<v Speaker 3>and wand I mean, this country will be filthy rich.

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<v Speaker 3>They may be richer than Riot, than Qatar, than the UAE,

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<v Speaker 3>because they have an intellectual base, they have natural resources

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<v Speaker 3>like oil, they have water, they don't have to rely

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<v Speaker 3>on the sunding. They have an industrial base. Now, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean this is a very very educated country. With the

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the diaspora will go back. I mean, who knows,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you can envision a scenario where you got direct flights.

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<v Speaker 1>Tehran to Beijing, new planes.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's an entire new ecosystem which is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be happening here. Maybe you know these shah Head

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<v Speaker 3>drones that will become one of the biggest exporters. They

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<v Speaker 3>will be the biggest exporter to any American adversary across

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<v Speaker 3>the world. And we're gonna pay for it literally with

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<v Speaker 3>the oil. Like this is a nightmare of a strategic

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<v Speaker 3>defeat for the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And imagine over in Yemen, the houthies look at this

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh, bob el mandebs, which is at

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<v Speaker 2>least as important as the straight up form. It is

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<v Speaker 2>also very critical choke point. Yemen has been a very

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<v Speaker 2>poor country. Imagine they're like, Okay, we'll set up a

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<v Speaker 2>toll and they've got you know, Irani and support and

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<v Speaker 2>access to those shaw head drones and what they need.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not doesn't take a lot to demonstrate your ability

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<v Speaker 2>to control those choke points. And I mean that it's

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<v Speaker 2>really really up ends the way the whole world has

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<v Speaker 2>operated and the way you have to think about geopolitics. So,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I think whether or not this happens

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<v Speaker 2>in the next couple weeks, or whether Trump is not

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<v Speaker 2>ready to swallow this level of a clear defeat and

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<v Speaker 2>decides to go back in and try some crazy thing

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<v Speaker 2>and see if you can bomb their electrical grid or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever into submission, it's ultimately going to fail, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to end up in something like this new world.

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<v Speaker 2>The crypto part is obviously also really significant.

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<v Speaker 6>What does that indicate?

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<v Speaker 2>They are bypassing the US led global financial structure again,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes it so it is on their own terms underdog.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't mean that it's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Total end of the petro dollar, the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>US you know as the global reserve currency, or any

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<v Speaker 2>of that, but it certainly does undermine it. It certainly

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<v Speaker 2>does start to push the world more aggressively in that direction.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that is a massive, massive, complete change

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And I mean, let's think even bigger, shall we, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's think just globally about the straits of horn Moves

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<v Speaker 3>and what this level of destruction. You know, I'm really

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<v Speaker 3>just thinking about what Yanna said, the law not the

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<v Speaker 3>entire law the sea, because I don't think the US

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<v Speaker 3>was even the signatory of it, even though we were

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<v Speaker 3>like the guaranteur of the international Law of the Sea.

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<v Speaker 3>It was based on the post World War two Blue

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<v Speaker 3>Water Navy ethos of we control commerce on the high

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<v Speaker 3>seas anywhere and everywhere. This goes back to like the

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<v Speaker 3>Barbary pirates that Thomas Jefferson dispatched the US Marines to say, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we will not allow a pirate veto. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>now we just did. Now what do we do? Like

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<v Speaker 3>what do you do in this? And because we didn't

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<v Speaker 3>envision a place where the American public, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 3>you were to pull and ask ultimately, did America have

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<v Speaker 3>the capability of actually taking over the straight storm, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we do. It would take you know, hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 3>of troops, lives, endless amounts of money. It would take

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<v Speaker 3>a literal almost a Pearl Harvard type event for somebody

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<v Speaker 3>to really be able to support that, but we don't,

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<v Speaker 3>and so in the interim you are actually left with

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<v Speaker 3>trying to accomplish it from the air with these billions

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<v Speaker 3>of dollars in weapons. The toll, the price that I

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<v Speaker 3>have now seen was that the war cost hundreds of

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<v Speaker 3>millions a day. The total cost was between thirty three

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty three billion dollars just for the six or

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<v Speaker 3>seven weeks of the war. The backlog in weapons will

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<v Speaker 3>take probably five to ten years to completely replace, even

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<v Speaker 3>with the one point five trillion defense budget that was

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<v Speaker 3>It is a strategic disaster and for this to be

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<v Speaker 3>now that the result.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do we have left? We have left nukes.

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<v Speaker 3>Or ground troops. We don't want to use either of

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<v Speaker 3>those things. So we have to live with this reality.

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<v Speaker 3>And also just to show you their control, can we

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<v Speaker 3>put C five up there on the screen. Yesterday oil

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<v Speaker 3>had the biggest drop since COVID, so it dropped all

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<v Speaker 3>the way down to like ninety dollars a barrel. Well

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<v Speaker 3>as of this morning, actually they've increased significantly. It's now

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<v Speaker 3>some ninety eight dollars a barrel. Into terms of Brent crude,

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<v Speaker 3>and from it's all time high, it's only down about

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<v Speaker 3>seven percent, whereas it was actually down almost fifteen percent

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<v Speaker 3>at one point. Same whenever it comes to the crude

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<v Speaker 3>oil futures here in the United States, which means that

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<v Speaker 3>those gas prices are really not coming all the way

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<v Speaker 3>back down. Remember the national price of gas before the

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<v Speaker 3>war was some two point eighty a gallon. That's phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great actually for trying to check inflation. Now if

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<v Speaker 3>we're living around ninety I mean, if everybody's watched that

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<v Speaker 3>Landman quote, you're living in a world of about a

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<v Speaker 3>dollar more than where you were before, and it's not

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<v Speaker 3>going to go down anytime soon. So there's punishment for

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<v Speaker 3>the US economy, for the US military and majorly empowered

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<v Speaker 3>Iran who, yes, they lost their eyetola. Maybe it's the

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<v Speaker 3>best thing that ever happened to them. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>doddering old man. Now they've got a much more hardcore,

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<v Speaker 3>battle tested reality of the people who survived with much

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<v Speaker 3>more cynical much where're willing to use hard power.

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<v Speaker 1>They could emerge from this stronger than ever.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, if I think if all of this status

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<v Speaker 3>quo stands twenty five years from now, I think they'll

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<v Speaker 3>be filthy rich, and I think they'll be they'll either

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<v Speaker 3>be a full blown nuclear power, or they'll have some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of latent nuclear deterrent like they did before, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>some North Korea style program which where they can switch

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<v Speaker 3>on at any moment and sprint in six weeks if

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<v Speaker 3>they need to. Twenty five years. That's what I would

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<v Speaker 3>predict if the current status quo were Absolutely the logic

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<v Speaker 3>is clear. The logic is as clear as it could be,

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<v Speaker 3>just so you guys see what the current reality is.

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<v Speaker 2>So since Israel has continue not just continued, but escalated

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<v Speaker 2>them their bombardment and mass massacres in Lebanon, we can

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<v Speaker 2>put see six up on the screen. So the number

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<v Speaker 2>of ships in the straight offor moves has reduced directly.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is some of the details about what they

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<v Speaker 2>had indicated while these negotiations are going on. They told

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<v Speaker 2>mediators they will be limiting the number of ships crossing

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<v Speaker 2>to around twelve per day and imposed tolls. But now

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday that should have been the first day where the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the new law of the land. Okay, twelve

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<v Speaker 2>per day and we're going to assess tolls where that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Only four ships passed through, but reportedly none of those

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<v Speaker 2>ships actually had oil on them, they did not have

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<v Speaker 2>cargo on them, and so effectively zero tankers actually went

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<v Speaker 2>through the street, and that was a dramatic reduction. There

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<v Speaker 2>was the fewest ships passing through of any day in

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<v Speaker 2>April so far.

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<v Speaker 6>So this is their threat. Now they have not done.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think they maybe shot some missiles towards Israel yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have not re upped as much, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as much of the missile barrages and drone barrages as

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<v Speaker 2>they'd been doing in the past. Instead, they're using their

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<v Speaker 2>economic leverage, which is the thing that the US and

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is most sensitive to. And we can see C

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<v Speaker 2>seven as well. There was a tanker that was actually

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<v Speaker 2>turned around that was headed toward the straight of horror

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<v Speaker 2>moves Panama flagged tanker Aurora. In any case, they are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they are clamping down completely now, which will

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<v Speaker 2>hurt them because that means they're not getting revenue either.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is the reason why we're seeing oil prices

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<v Speaker 2>go back up right now, both because of the realization

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a new reality period, but also

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<v Speaker 2>because of the realization that this thing is far from

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<v Speaker 2>being completely settled and may be quite a while before

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<v Speaker 2>you actually have any sort of traffic flowing through the

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<v Speaker 2>Strait of Hormuz. So long as Israel continues to bomb

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<v Speaker 2>and invade Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, all right, skeets Israel, shall we yep?

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<v Speaker 2>So neat Yahoo making planes in a speech yesterday, that

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<v Speaker 2>he does not want the war to end, that he

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<v Speaker 2>does not think the war is ending, and that he

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<v Speaker 2>remains ready to go back in and accomplish their quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote objectives. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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<v Speaker 4>And Israel is stronger than ever. This is the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>line of this campaign up until now. Let me say

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<v Speaker 4>there are still additional objectives for us to achieve, and

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<v Speaker 4>we will achieve them either by agreement or by resumption

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<v Speaker 4>of the fighting. And we are ready to resume the

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<v Speaker 4>fighting at any moment. Our finger is on the trigger.

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<v Speaker 4>As you know. Two weeks ceasefire has been announced between

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<v Speaker 4>the US and Iran. No, we were not surprised in

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<v Speaker 4>the last moment, and I want to emphasize this is

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<v Speaker 4>not the end of the war.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says there one thing that's interesting is he says,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a ceasefire between the US and Iran does not

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<v Speaker 2>include Israel and not at all. But we can put

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<v Speaker 2>the next one up screen that just has the direct

0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.840
<v Speaker 2>quote here he says the truth is quote not the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the war, but a stop on the way

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<v Speaker 2>to achieving all our goals. And of course Israel already

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<v Speaker 2>doing what they can to destroy this quote unquote seas fire.

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<v Speaker 2>They have long He of course, was very influential.

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<v Speaker 6>We know he was in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Situation room, apparently at the head of the table making

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<v Speaker 2>the hard sell for this war, which Donald Trump chose

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<v Speaker 2>to go along with, and has also reportedly been one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most hawkish people in the administration in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of wanting to pursue this absolute insanity. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to change. Israel is going to continue trying

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<v Speaker 2>to destroy the ceasefire, trying to blow up any potential

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<v Speaker 2>negotiations that could end the war, and even if there

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<v Speaker 2>is some sort of agreement which is reached in the

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<v Speaker 2>short term, they will never stop trying to undermine US

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<v Speaker 2>it and try to go back to war. Because as

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<v Speaker 2>much as this is a strategic defeat for US, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a disaster for the Israelis, especially in their way

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking, because they have no interest in coexistence and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to live peaceably with their neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, don't take our word for it, take the

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<v Speaker 3>Israeli's word for it. Listen to the Israeli opposition. Put

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<v Speaker 3>D three up there on the screen, shall we nef?

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<v Speaker 3>Tally Bennett, the former Prime Minister, slams the government for

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<v Speaker 3>leaving Israel exposed to avengeful Iran after truce. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not wrong. Is kind of right, isn't he? The

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<v Speaker 3>former Prime minister joins the chorus of opposition criticizing the

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<v Speaker 3>government over the ceasefire, arguing in a live TV announcement

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<v Speaker 3>that Netanyahu had failed to achieve the war's goals and

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<v Speaker 3>this will leave Israel facing a vengeful Iran, which will

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<v Speaker 3>be even more determined to go nuclear.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason why so many people feel disappointed tonight is

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<v Speaker 3>that the leadership sold us illusions. All their empty promises

0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.800
<v Speaker 3>have exploded in our face. Unfortunately, each of us sees

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<v Speaker 3>with our own eyes that Hamas is getting stronger, Hezbola

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<v Speaker 3>and Iran are standing on their own t feet. This

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<v Speaker 3>is happening because a government that dismantles Israel from within,

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<v Speaker 3>cannot defeat the enemy from without. And then you have

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<v Speaker 3>Yayer Lapede, the main opposition leader. Let's put his statement

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<v Speaker 3>up there on the screen, translated from Hebrew. There has

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<v Speaker 3>never been such a political disaster in all our history.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel was not even at the table when decisions were

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<v Speaker 3>made concerning the core of our national security. The military

0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.320
<v Speaker 3>carried out everything that was asked of it, the public

0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:28.000
<v Speaker 3>demonstrated amazing resilience. But Netanyahu failed politically, failed strategically, and

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<v Speaker 3>didn't meet a single one of the goals that he

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<v Speaker 3>himself set. It will take years to repair the political

0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.680
<v Speaker 3>strategic damage that NATANYAHUO wrought due to arrogance, negligence, and

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<v Speaker 3>lack of strategic planning.

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<v Speaker 1>More details here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Important to keep in mind that all of these people

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<v Speaker 2>supported this absolutely insane and stupid war, which was the

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<v Speaker 2>original sin of you know how they end up in

0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.440
<v Speaker 2>this situation. But yeah, think of it from their perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>They were hoping to collapse the Iranian state into a

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<v Speaker 2>failed state, some sort of civil war, you know, dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>degrade their capabilities, maybe install some sort of a you know,

0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.680
<v Speaker 2>US Israeli puppet leader but more likely just completely destroy

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<v Speaker 2>this thing.

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<v Speaker 6>They you know, less arm the curds.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get some sort of civil war going now, and

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<v Speaker 2>so that they could be the undisputed hedgemon in the region.

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.680
<v Speaker 2>And nat Nyala at the beginning of this war was

0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.680
<v Speaker 2>talking about them being a global superpower. That was their

0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:24.720
<v Speaker 2>ambitions at the beginning of it. Now the Iranians are

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<v Speaker 2>going to have much more power. They have demonstrated their

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<v Speaker 2>military effectiveness. They have proven they can strike inside of

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<v Speaker 2>Israel and cause significant damage. They approve in the holes

0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.720
<v Speaker 2>and the you know, also the dwindling supplies in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the Israeli air defense. And now they're going to

0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.080
<v Speaker 2>be wealthy with this toll that they're charging. You know,

0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.720
<v Speaker 2>we'll be able to charge it this straight on the

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<v Speaker 2>straight Offoe Mews. And again I'm not saying this is

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<v Speaker 2>all coming to pass right now, because it is entirely

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<v Speaker 2>possible we go back to some sort of a war

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's a while before this all shakes out,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is where things are heading. And not to mention,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was mentioned by enough Tolly Bennett, Iran is

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<v Speaker 2>far more likely to pursue a nuclear weapon now. They

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.719
<v Speaker 2>are far more hard line, more hardliners in control. They

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<v Speaker 2>are far more likely to pursue a nuclear weapon. In fact,

0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.800
<v Speaker 2>if they didn't, I would be it would be foolish

0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:22.280
<v Speaker 2>of them, frankly. And their ballistic missile capacity has been

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<v Speaker 2>degraded somewhat, but they have and they'll be wealthy.

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<v Speaker 6>They can buy.

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 2>However, many ballistic missiles manufacture. However, many ballistic missiles, their

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<v Speaker 2>shaw headrones are incredibly inexpensive. They will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild and in a relatively short.

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<v Speaker 6>Period of time.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have done nothing but strengthen them and absolutely

0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.880
<v Speaker 2>weaken your own position in the region. And you've antagonized,

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<v Speaker 2>once again, antagonized everybody in the whole region and the

0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.439
<v Speaker 2>entire world. And your political horizon in the US is

0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.560
<v Speaker 2>really dim. You know, if you look at young people

0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.359
<v Speaker 2>under fifty Republican Democrats, forget about it, I mean, they're

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.879
<v Speaker 2>the sentiment is overwhelmingly against Israel. If you look at

0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the entire population, Israel has something like sixty percent disapproval

0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.680
<v Speaker 2>at this point. This is a sea change in American politics,

0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.040
<v Speaker 2>and so you will no longer be able to assume

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<v Speaker 2>that whether you get a Republican or a Democrat in

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<v Speaker 2>the White House. You're going to have their full throated backing,

0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.359
<v Speaker 2>and that is what has allowed Israel to behave in

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<v Speaker 2>this absolutely brutish, barbaric rogue way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and let's put D five up there on the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys are going to love this, so APAC and

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<v Speaker 3>its statement on the Sea spire. It says a historic

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<v Speaker 3>Israeli campaign. We must end Iran's nuclear program, we must

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<v Speaker 3>address what remains of Iran's missile and drone program, cut

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<v Speaker 3>off support for militias, and all of this must be

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<v Speaker 3>voted on by Congress. Love it now, How incredible is

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 3>it that Lindsay Graham and APAX support a war illegally

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.199
<v Speaker 3>launched unilaterally by the president. But if you try to

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<v Speaker 3>make peace, well that hold on, We've got to ratify

0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 3>that by congres. You can wage war as long as

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<v Speaker 3>you want, but peace itself that must be approved by

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<v Speaker 3>Congress must have review, and we itselves will have the

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<v Speaker 3>up or down vote as to whether that happens. I mean,

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 3>it's a literal backwards of the US Constitution, right, It's

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<v Speaker 3>not a treaty, as we all learn with the Iran

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear deal and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump himself, how many executive deals does he sign, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine with me. Peace cool.

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<v Speaker 3>You can do that unilaterally, but war no. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the Founders were very explicit whenever it came to the

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<v Speaker 3>power of being able to launch war. So that is

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<v Speaker 3>America under Israeli or a pac and Lindsey Graham's control,

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<v Speaker 3>the President may launch a war. The peace must be

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<v Speaker 3>approved by the Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise you were required, you are obligated, you're forced by

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<v Speaker 2>the Congress to continue the war indefinitely until we decide

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<v Speaker 2>that you know that we've had enough.

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<v Speaker 6>It really is absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>We can just go through a little bit just for

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<v Speaker 2>our perusal year of there's a Zionist Twitter meltdown happening

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<v Speaker 2>right now. We can go through a few of these.

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<v Speaker 2>Griffin pulled a lot. You really went wild on the

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<v Speaker 2>elements for this section. But let's go and put a

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<v Speaker 2>few these up for d six. You see, the time

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<v Speaker 2>has come. Instead of Israel and the US eliminating the regime,

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the regime is bombing Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>Dear Trump, what did you do all this for? Eve Barlow?

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<v Speaker 6>The CeaseFire's disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>The end of the day, the people of the West

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 2>have prioritized their own needs over the liberation of the

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:16.760
<v Speaker 2>people of iron.

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<v Speaker 6>I think of how twisted that is she is completing.

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.640
<v Speaker 2>She is saying that we need to keep bombing Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>that that's really the good thing for the people of Iran.

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling that people in Iran feel a

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 2>little different about that. This guy says, don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel about this. Another one says, this makes me sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do one more page of these Twitter reactions. Doctor

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Eli David says, wtf Trump just shared Arachi's post that

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<v Speaker 2>he accepted the regime's ten point proposal. As a reminder,

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<v Speaker 2>here is the ten point proposal, which of course has

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the new reality and straight up for moves,

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:49.440
<v Speaker 2>complete easing of sanctions, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 6>And one more here.

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<v Speaker 2>This, of course will be seen as weakness by the

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 2>entire Middle East. CeaseFire's very bad idea. I don't like

0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:00.600
<v Speaker 2>it at all. Iran has not conceded anything. Oh there

0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 2>you go a little bit of how it's being received

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.199
<v Speaker 2>on Zionist Twitter. And let's go ahead and take a

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 2>listen to Mark Levin, who, unfortunately, you know, maybe people

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 2>don't really listen to him that much in terms of

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 2>the public but he is very influential, apparently in terms

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>of the White House and certainly in terms of sharing

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:22.359
<v Speaker 2>the views of the most influential Zionists in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's take a listen to his reaction.

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<v Speaker 8>We're not doing regime change. Everybody says, no regime change, okay,

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.639
<v Speaker 8>Then the regime survives in one form or another. The

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 8>fundamental survive. And so the question is, how do we

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:43.040
<v Speaker 8>keep this enemy, this poison, this cant, these Islamist radicals,

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 8>seventh century barbarians. How do we keep them in a box?

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 8>And that's what we have to figure out if we're

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 8>not going to completely take them out because of the

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:57.200
<v Speaker 8>huge isolationist strain the Democrat Party among the woke right.

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 8>But again Maga, the Republicans are behind the president. But

0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 8>if we can't do it because of the political wins,

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 8>if we can't do it because of other reasons, then

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<v Speaker 8>how are we going to keep them in a box?

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<v Speaker 8>He can't be just peace in our time. We have

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<v Speaker 8>a ten point deal and they've agreed to this. This

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<v Speaker 8>I just think it's going to be very very complicated,

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 8>very very difficult. And I would say this to the

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<v Speaker 8>President of the United States. I personally know that you

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<v Speaker 8>will do the right thing, that you're going to try

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<v Speaker 8>and make sure that it works for now and forever.

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<v Speaker 8>And so I have complete faith in this man because

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 8>he's brought us to this point where he's blown out

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 8>their nuclear systems, where he's taking out or trying to

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.159
<v Speaker 8>take out all the enrichment, where he is not taking

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 8>them at their word, where he has used our military

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 8>in one of the most brilliant, spectacular military campaigns in

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 8>American history. I'm glad he's there as president of the

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 8>United States. There's some very complicated and difficult issues on

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 8>the table, and I think if anyone can handle it,

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.880
<v Speaker 8>he can handle it. But this enemy, make no mistake,

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 8>they are the enemy. They're not going to go away

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<v Speaker 8>if there's not regime change, and we're going to have

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 8>to figure out, and it's not going to be easy

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 8>how to keep our foot on their throat.

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<v Speaker 2>So you see the game he's playing here, very unhappy

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 2>with the deal, still pushing for regime change, but of

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>course has to frame it in like, of course I

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 2>trust Trump, and of course he's brilliant and magnificent, and

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the military operation has been the best in history, et cetera.

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, also By the way, I literally just saw this

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 3>come across the Israelly military just issued evacuation warnings for

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Beairroot southern suburbs and so still happening. Interesting, isn't it?

0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Even though what did JD say? They're going to check itself?

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 3>He said that he did, they're going to check those,

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 3>So apparently that's what it looks like whenever Eternal Operation.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure we can rely on them for that, right.

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Operation Eternal Darkness will check itself. Got a great

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 3>guest standing buying.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to.

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<v Speaker 2>It for more on the warner, We're joined this morning

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<v Speaker 2>by Bayrus Gamari. He's a fellow at the Center for

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Place Culture in Politics at the Cuning Graduate Center and

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 2>also author of the new book The Long War on Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>New Events, Old Questions.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome, Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, so a lot of questions for you,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's just start with you know, how do you

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 2>view this war in terms of the sort of long

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 2>history of the you know, the country of Iran, but

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 2>also specifically with this particular Iranian government. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that it has helped strengthen their position in the state.

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<v Speaker 9>First, let me thank you for having me here. And

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 9>this current war is part of a very long project.

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 9>And as the title of my book suggests, this is.

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 7>A long war on Iran.

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 9>And we can basically go back to the time of

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 9>the Iranian Revolution of the nineteen seventy nine that for

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 9>the better for wars, the revolution changed the mahap of

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 9>the Middle East because before the revolution, Iran's state under

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:08.199
<v Speaker 9>the Shah was one of the most important allies of

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 9>the United States in the region, and some people refer

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 9>to his reign as the policeman of the Middle East

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 9>on behalf of the interests of the United States and

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 9>by extension, the interest of Israel. So you can imagine

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 9>how significant the revolution was in terms of the interests

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 9>of the US and the allies of Israel in the region.

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 9>And so this is a war pretty much designed as

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 9>a project since the time of revolution.

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 7>In Iran, and in one way or another.

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<v Speaker 9>First the eight year war with Iraq and crippling sanctions

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 9>that many people argue that sanctions actually are more brutal

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 9>than any actual war. Recently, there was an estimate that

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 9>in the past thirty years, around thirty million people have

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 9>died as a result of sanctions around the world, not

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 9>only in Iran, but of course Iran is under one

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 9>of the most severe sanctions, the crippling sanctions that created

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:22.959
<v Speaker 9>a situation between the two countries that, as I very

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 9>reluctantly predicted in my book, that eventually is going to

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 9>be resolved by an actual war that just started a

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:33.479
<v Speaker 9>month ago.

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 7>So that where we find our situation, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, what I'm very interested to hear from you, and

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, to the extent that you're able to, is

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 3>what life is like in Iran. We hear so many

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 3>caricatures from the United States. It's a theocracy, they beat people,

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 3>they throw gay people off a building. But then I

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 3>also see videos of people in a coffee shop that

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 3>looks like it could be out of Brooklyn or New

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 3>York City. Obviously maybe both of those things can coexist.

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 3>We did see we put e one up here, which

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 3>is this is some video of people in Iran who

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 3>were celebrating the ceasefire. Clearly the regime has some level

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 3>of control even in some of the more secular or

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 3>maybe even secular is the wrong word. Can you describe

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 3>to us what life is like in Iran and especially

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 3>how the regime, how people feel about the regime now

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 3>in the aftermath of this war.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, let me start from the last part of your

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 9>question that when a war starts, I think one of

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 9>the most significant events that happens is the collapse of

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 9>the distinction between the state and the nation. Yes, and

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 9>this is what we witnessed today for the most part

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 9>in Iran. All these people who are celebrating on the

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 9>streets today are not necessarily supporters of this state, but

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 9>they are part of a nation that finds itself on

0:30:54.360 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 9>their brutal attack by Israel and the United States. But also,

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 9>I think one of the reasons that this war became

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 9>palatable to many people was that there is this kind

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 9>of erasure of civil society in Iran, which has been

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 9>quite vibrant in the past at least thirty years.

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 7>And one of the.

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 9>Reasons that people say that, Okay, the only solution now

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 9>is an external intervention in Iranian affairs, because whatever we did,

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 9>we could not change society, which is absolutely not true.

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 9>A lot of things had changed in Iranian society in

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 9>the past thirty five years, especially at the end of

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 9>Iran Iraq War in nineteen eighty eight, and there is

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 9>a vibrant civil society, a very vibrant publishing business. I mean,

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 9>in Tehran alone, twenty eight daily newspapers come out, and

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 9>many of them quite critical of the government. And there

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 9>has always been a very strong women's movement in Iran,

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 9>student movement, labor associations. And if you want to compare

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 9>the Iranian society in twenty twenty, twenty one, twenty two

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 9>to Iranian society of nineteen ninety, you see a huge

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 9>and significant difference between these two societies. And so one

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 9>of the reasons that we don't hear about this, we

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 9>will always hear that Iran is a totalitarian state and

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 9>people cannot breathe, people are afraid of voicing their dissent,

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 9>which is absolutely not true. I'm not saying that, you know,

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 9>it's not a rosy picture of Iran, but it's a

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 9>picture that highlights all these efforts and struggles that people

0:32:56.080 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 9>have been doing. And sometimes they gain some grounds, sometimes

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 9>they lose some grounds. People are arrested, people are executed,

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 9>people are exiled, But nevertheless, it doesn't mean that we

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 9>are facing a very stagnant.

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 7>And static society.

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 9>And I think that's quite an important thing that it's

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 9>usually erased from the mass media in the West, in

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 9>Europe and in the US, and in my own scholarship,

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 9>I always try to highlight that. But whenever you highlight that,

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 9>then it sounds like you're defending.

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like a college I just mentioned execution, right, yeah,

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean what about how does the protest movement fit

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 3>into that? I'm sure that's going to be the most

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 3>people will say, how can that be true if we

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 3>just had this major protest?

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 9>No, I mean the protests always happened in Iran, you know,

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 9>it's not a new thing. And every two or three

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 9>years since the end of Iran Iraq War, we have

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 9>a major protest movement in Iran. Sometimes the government is

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 9>flexible in to accommodate some of those demands. Sometimes if

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 9>they feel an existential threat, they respond with brutality and

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 9>violence and killing. And this most recent protests in December

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 9>and January, for example, it was I mean, it started

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:24.760
<v Speaker 9>as a protest of economic grievances, and you know, tens

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 9>of thousands of people demonstrated and the government actually was

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 9>very open in opening a channel with a conversation with protesters,

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 9>and the president himself met with many of them, and

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 9>so long as these protests have demands that are realizable

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 9>under the existing order, the government shows flexibility and.

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 7>Tries to accommodate.

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 9>But once this protests become a protest for regime change,

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 9>of course, that suddenly turns into a national security issue

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 9>you and the government reacts very violently, and of course,

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 9>in the recent protests in January, now there are a

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:12.839
<v Speaker 9>lot of reports that coming out that these protests that

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 9>were expressed through economic grievances and turned into a regime

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 9>change demand, was also instrumentalized and exploited by the Israelis,

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 9>by the CIA right and by you know, versident Trump

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 9>admitted that we sent a protesters.

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, and how much does that because so Trump said

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 2>at least that, you know, we sent arms to the Kurds,

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 2>and the Curds were supposed to give them to the protesters,

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>so I think they kept them to for themselves. Who

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>knows what of that is true, but we have a

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of indications that there was certainly US and Israeli

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>involvement and that the protest turned quite violent and were

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 2>met with a violent assault. We don't know the number

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 2>they throw numbers thirty thousand, forty, but that's.

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 7>That's whether that project.

0:35:55.960 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 9>You know, if the numbers are three thousand, just add

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 9>and right, and then you know it justifies external intervention.

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.479
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how much does that meddling from the US

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and Israel, which is sort of omnipresident, how much does

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that undermine the reform movement within Iran?

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 9>Oh? I mean, it undermines it greatly. I mean, and

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 9>that's one of the issues that has always been part

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 9>of the Iranian politics and its relations with American policies.

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.920
<v Speaker 9>That and if you remember, for example, after ninety eleven,

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.799
<v Speaker 9>in two thousand and one, when President Hotami was in

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 9>office in Iran and Iranians actually the government decided to

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 9>change gears and become part of this war on terror

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 9>as the George W.

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 7>Bush called it.

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 9>And you know American delegations in bond conference in Germany

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:58.280
<v Speaker 9>after the collapse of the Taliban, they're very open about

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 9>it that without Iranian help they could not topple the

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 9>Taliban in Afghanistan. But then you know, right after that

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 9>we have the access of evil speech at the State

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 9>of Union two thousand and two. Right, But there you

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 9>have a reform movement in Iran that is trying to

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 9>change the context of its relation with the US, and

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 9>it's met with an access of evil speech in the Congress. Yes,

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 9>so that undermined. I think that's the point in two

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:41.800
<v Speaker 9>thousand and two that the US definitely undermined any possibility

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 9>of reform in Iran, because if you say that, okay,

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 9>we are accommodating, we are bending backward to define a

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 9>new kind of relationship with you, and you're met with

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 9>this kind of very hostile rhetoric. And indeed, some of

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 9>the neocons in the White House and the Congress wrote

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 9>a memo to George w And saying that you know,

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 9>Iran supposed to be the target of war on terror.

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 9>Ion cannot be a part of war on terror. So

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 9>you have to change year, and you know Iran should

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 9>be the target of this new policy, not a collaborated

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 9>in the realized I want.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 3>To ask you about the new system in Iran. So

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:36.000
<v Speaker 3>my analysis that I gleamed from Treaty Parsi and others

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 3>was that while the Ayatola, the old Ayatola, was cast

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 3>in the US as this evil madman, is that he

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 3>really was kind of a doddering, older gentleman who's actually

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 3>incredibly risk averse, who didn't either want to go all

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 3>in or also didn't want you both didn't want to

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 3>go to war, but also didn't want to appear weak,

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 3>and probably you know, put them on the path to

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 3>where things are today by not making a real decision. Now,

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 3>his son is the new Itol. We have E two.

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 3>We can put it up there on the screen. And

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.359
<v Speaker 3>some of the reporting from the White House right now

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 3>is that he actually reached the truce with Trump and

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 3>instructed the Foreign Minister, the President, and the Speaker to

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.719
<v Speaker 3>pursue some sort of deal with Donald Trump. What do

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 3>we know about the new iotol I've tried to read it.

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 3>There's not a whole lot about him, and generally the

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 3>new you know, the system that will be in power

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 3>after this war, if it is indeed a real ceasefire.

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, we really don't know much about him.

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 9>And there I read all these reports about him that

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 9>the assumption is that it's more hawkash. She's close to

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 9>the IRGC, the Revolutionary regards, and but you know, there

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:48.280
<v Speaker 9>are many people who were very close to the Revolutionary regards,

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 9>and it turned out that they were actually very liberal

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 9>minded and reform oriented. And the very fact that he

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 9>was close to the Revolutionary Guards. I don't think says

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 9>that he's more hawkish or more militant, and so we

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 9>really don't know much. He's not written much. He doesn't

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 9>have a high kind of religious credibility. He's not an iotola,

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 9>and so it's a sort of a wild guess that

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 9>what he would do after this and people around him.

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 9>Now that that most of the old gods of the

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 9>Revolutionary Guards are assassinated, the new younger generation, I mean

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.439
<v Speaker 9>the old Guard, they were all veterans of the Iran

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 9>Iraq War, and they learned about strategy of war in

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 9>the fields, and they're very sort of well trained in

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 9>the field kind of revolutionary commanders. But the new generation

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 9>has a different kind of experience. They are mostly veterans

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:56.439
<v Speaker 9>of war in Syria and in Iraq of post two

0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 9>thousand and three, and they have a different kind of

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 9>understanding of warfighting and and so.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.240
<v Speaker 1>They're used to more asymmetric warfare.

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 10>The definitely, yes, that's exactly the point that the Old

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 10>Guard was a symmetrical, i mean very command conventional kind.

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:19.800
<v Speaker 9>Of warfare, which was Iran Iraq War was the longest

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 9>conventional warfare of twentieth century for eight years, with half

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 9>a million people killed.

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 7>But these are a.

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:31.799
<v Speaker 9>New generation of people who are basically coming out of

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:36.799
<v Speaker 9>that kind of asymmetrical warfare and very well versed, so

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 9>to speak of designing and strategizing in that kind of war,

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 9>and also very different kind of political framing of war.

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 9>And so how they would behave how do they rethink

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 9>their position that that they are now in the position

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 9>of decision making in the revolutionary course is yet.

0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 7>To be seen.

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.759
<v Speaker 9>And I don't think we should run to sort of

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.240
<v Speaker 9>a judgment that they're more militant or more.

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Radical regardless of sort of who is in charge and

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 2>who has the most way. Though, hasn't the argument of

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 2>the hardline position been strengthened by what we've seen here?

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, for the reformers, they did the deal with Obama.

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Obviously Trump rips it up back sound of that deal. Biden,

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 2>even though he's a Democrat, doesn't choose to get back in.

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Trump uses the pretext of diplomacy as ruse to start

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 2>a new war. And now what it looks like is

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 2>that Iran has been able to achieve much more in

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 2>terms of their own security and their own wealth through

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 2>this war through violent means and taking a harder stance

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 2>than they were through the reformist posture. Do you think

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 2>that logic will be a senate within the country.

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 9>Yes, yes, absolutely, And I mean again that started from

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 9>access of evil speech because the Supreme Leader, they all

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 9>Supreme Leader older comedy always said that you know, we

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 9>should not trust Americans, and whenever you try to do reform,

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 9>they would stab you in the back. And everybody said that,

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 9>you know, he's paranoid, is crazy, and this and that.

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 9>But after twenty years of being stabbed in the back

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 9>by the US, his wars had gained a lot of credibility,

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 9>and with the negotiating in the middle of negotiation two

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 9>of the war in June, in the middle of negotiation,

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 9>this current attack, which according to the omanis to British,

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 9>they were very very close to an agreement in Geneva,

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:40.239
<v Speaker 9>and in forty eight hours, instead of the instead of

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 9>finalizing the agreement, the Supreme Leader is assassinated. So I

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 9>think in general people are becoming more and more skeptical

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 9>of the honesty and sincerity of the US in these

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 9>negotiations and the US policy sees towards Iran. And I

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 9>see that now in the past few weeks also that

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 9>more and more people are joining forces. Two people who

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 9>were in the public squares in the middle of the

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 9>night on bridges and so on and so forth, to

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 9>sort of say that that they see now that kind

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 9>of mistrust of American policy and which led to undermining

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 9>any kind of reform minded political trend in Iran and

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 9>give more legitimacy and credibility to more militant and radical

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 9>politics that comes out from the US. And you know,

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 9>I always told him, I've had many conversations with the

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:50.280
<v Speaker 9>people in the policy circles that the US policies towards Iran,

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:56.280
<v Speaker 9>when the stated objective is to help democratizing Iran, actually

0:44:56.680 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 9>constantly helps radicalizing the Islamic state Islamic Republic, I shouldn't

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:11.880
<v Speaker 9>say Islamic States Islamic republic. And this is such a

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 9>fascinating thing that although all the people who come up

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.360
<v Speaker 9>with these policies in the US government see the results

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 9>of their policies, but nevertheless they continue to perpetuate those

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 9>policies and which really produces results exactly opposite of their

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:37.360
<v Speaker 9>stated objectives. Unless they said the objectives is to radicalize,

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 9>that's a different kind of worms there.

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this might be provocative question how radical is Iran?

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 3>So we're told that they're theocratic, that they want to

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 3>kill us al kaieda Islamic state that basically analogized them.

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 3>At the same time you have an Iatola, who was

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 3>a Chia cleric who extremely cautious, you know, in my estimation,

0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:02.280
<v Speaker 3>with bomb their nuclear side the only token attack back.

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Even here, the religious cleric, who supposedly radical, instructs his

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 3>foreign minister to.

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Pursue a cease fire deal. It seems highly rational.

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm curious, like, are they radical and radical

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:15.919
<v Speaker 3>in what sense whenever we use that word.

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 9>I think it is true that they see themselves as

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 9>an anti imperialist force, but that's nationalistic. But that's that's

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 9>totally nationalistic. I mean, Henry Pratt, who was the director

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 9>of Iran desk at the State Department in nineteen eighties,

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 9>always used to say, and he wrote this piece in

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 9>the Foreign Affairs that Iran is mostly concerned with security

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 9>and independence domestically rather than dominion abroad. And the dominion

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:50.320
<v Speaker 9>abroad is a posture. It's a defensive posture for them,

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 9>and because they know that the US and the US

0:46:54.920 --> 0:47:00.800
<v Speaker 9>allies and Israel are determined to overthrow of this regime.

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.839
<v Speaker 9>And and it's true. I mean, it's not paranoia, it's

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 9>not it's not really true. You know, there's this little

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:11.839
<v Speaker 9>book about the Supreme Leader that came out a few

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 9>years back and said that Iranian Supreme Leader was so

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 9>paranoid because he thought that the US wants to overthrow him.

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 9>But you know, reality, you don't call that political realism,

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 9>you know. And but they also, as you said, they

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:38.319
<v Speaker 9>also always followed a very pragmatic uh policies because their

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:42.879
<v Speaker 9>number one concern is to maintain their sovereignty and their

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 9>national interests. And if you look at their policies in

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 9>the region. For example, in the dispute between Azerbaijan and

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 9>Armenia that Azerbaijohn is a Muslim country, Armenia Christian country,

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 9>Iran always took the side of Armenia.

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>And you think about that.

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:08.760
<v Speaker 9>I mean, that's even in disputes between Pakistan and India,

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 9>for the most part, Iran always took.

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 7>The side of India because oil.

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 9>You know, it's it's true, a very rational, pragmatic understanding

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 9>of foreign affairs. And they are not driven by that

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 9>kind of radical ideology because Whenever people say that, you know,

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 9>they're motivated by ideology, it means that they're irrational and

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:36.799
<v Speaker 9>they turn, like the entire Islamic Republic into like a

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 9>suicide bomber, you know, like that they don't care about

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 9>their own well being because they're motivated and moved by

0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 9>their ideology, and they disregard any kind of tangible gains

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:54.360
<v Speaker 9>for their own country, for their own people, and so

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 9>on and so forth. So in that sense, I think

0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:01.000
<v Speaker 9>they're very pragmatic, and they shown I mean, it's not

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:05.480
<v Speaker 9>a kind of a statement or analytical statement, but this

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 9>is a sort of a historical fact that in the

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:12.800
<v Speaker 9>past thirty years they always followed a very pragmatic policy

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:18.839
<v Speaker 9>in the region. And all these things about Iran's allies,

0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:22.440
<v Speaker 9>you know, in Heswala or in Iraq or in the Yemen,

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:27.600
<v Speaker 9>these are always understood in Iranian contexts from their standpoint

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 9>as defensive postures. And I remember when Hillary Clinton was

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:39.279
<v Speaker 9>the Secretary of State and they were talking about overthrowing

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 9>Bashara Assad in Syria, and she made this comment in Istanbul,

0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 9>she was in Islam. She said that we're going to

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 9>clip the wings of the Islamic Republic, you know, so

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:54.279
<v Speaker 9>for them when they hear this, they completely understand. And

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:58.239
<v Speaker 9>today it has become quite clear. When they were saying that,

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 9>you know, we are fighting in the Studi, Damascus and

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 9>southern Lebanon and and in Palestine, we are doing that,

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:09.880
<v Speaker 9>so we won't be ending up fighting in the streets

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:14.759
<v Speaker 9>of Tehran. Now that statement has gained a lot of

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:19.239
<v Speaker 9>credibility because with the weakening of those allies in other

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:22.320
<v Speaker 9>parts of the region, now they're fighting in Tehran.

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 7>I'm not saying that that.

0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 9>You know, it was a really good news for the

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 9>people in Syria that Iran is there, or maybe it

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 9>was for some, it wasn't for some others. But that

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:37.640
<v Speaker 9>was their rationale. It wasn't coming out of a blind

0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:43.080
<v Speaker 9>ideological commitment. It was coming out of a very calculated, rational,

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:48.280
<v Speaker 9>pragmatic politics that they were fighting in Syria or in Lebanon.

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, we've got a Secretary of War who's got a

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 2>Crusader's cross tattooed on. I'm constantly talking about how God

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 2>is protecting our bombing campaign.

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:56.880
<v Speaker 6>So I'm not sure we're in a position.

0:50:56.520 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 2>To the lecture on theocracy at this particular one time,

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<v Speaker 2>Bears Gomorrow, thank you so much, great time, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 7>So much for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got John meyer Scheimer on the Friday Show tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't want to miss that. See you then,