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Speaker 1: There he is, flash there he is, my man.

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Speaker 2: We're making this happen.

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Speaker 3: We are making this happen. I'm really excited. I'm really

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Speaker 3: I was a flight easy good. Yeah, yeah, welcome to

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Speaker 3: the Solid Verbal hull.

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Speaker 4: That for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm for it. I've heard so many

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Speaker 1: players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 3: You want to be happy for Dake Edith State is

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Speaker 3: that whoo whoom and.

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Speaker 2: Dan and tie.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein. It is the twenty twenty four College Football

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Speaker 1: Playoff National Championship Stunt preview episode on the.

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Speaker 4: Solid Verbal Sir, how are you, my good friend?

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Speaker 3: I'm great. I love this matchup. I love this time

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Speaker 3: of year. I love everything about deep diving one game

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Speaker 3: from every single angle and doing it with my dear, dear,

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Speaker 3: dear friend Ty heilde Brandt.

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Speaker 4: We're doing a bit of a home and home this year.

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Speaker 3: We may sound like we always sound, but there's something

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Speaker 3: different about this.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that is correct. So last season, you may recall

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Speaker 4: we did a bit of a taco tour in Dan's hometown,

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Speaker 4: beautiful Los Angeles, California. Now we decided why not come

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Speaker 4: to Eastern PA and complete the home and home cycle.

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Speaker 3: I honestly this is the best. I've never been to

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Speaker 3: your house. I've never been to your new basement studio.

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Speaker 3: You've done an electric a terrific job with it. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: and I don't want to talk about anything else right

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Speaker 3: now other than Michigan Washington. But if it's going to

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Speaker 3: got to get out of here. This is not a

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Speaker 3: stunt preview to do it in a studio.

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Speaker 4: Number one Michigan fourteen and oh, number two Washington also

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Speaker 4: fourteen and oh, Michigan favored by four and a half points.

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Speaker 4: Your over unders about fifty five and one half. Let's

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Speaker 4: hit the road. Let's visit some landmarks that we've mentioned

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Speaker 4: on the show. Let's figure out who's going to win

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Speaker 5: So we're on the road now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love the matchup. I love the story surrounding the game.

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Speaker 3: I love the novelty of two teams that haven't been

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Speaker 3: in this game in quite some time, but as programs

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Speaker 3: have been in huge games in huge spots like throughout history.

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Speaker 3: I think the kind of interesting thing is like the

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Speaker 5: They lose last year to UCLA in LA, but.

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Speaker 3: Beat Oregon, win their bowl game last year against Texas,

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Speaker 3: beat Oregon twice in like close, interesting back and forth

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Speaker 3: They're a dog against Texas, and now they're a dog

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Speaker 3: against Michigan and they just keep winning. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 3: maybe tough for me when I'm wearing my Oregon hat,

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Speaker 2: They just keep pulling them out.

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Speaker 4: It's also a very interesting contrast too styles Michigan very

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Speaker 5: They're very very talented.

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Speaker 4: We can talk about it more when we get into

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Speaker 4: the Michigan offense versus the Washington defense. They're talented and

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Speaker 4: Not to say they don't do those things as well.

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Speaker 4: Right, It's just two very interesting contrasting styles, not just

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's a really interesting way for the season

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Speaker 2: Yochs who Dog of the Week. This is my Yako's debut.

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Speaker 3: So it's Yako's sauce chili type thing, mustard and onions,

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Speaker 4: He would show up at Yako's and we had those

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Speaker 4: Just hear them unwrapping these hot dogs and can you

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Speaker 2: I just polluting the movie theater. If you pounded chilli

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Speaker 4: Washington, a four and a half point underdog, has sort

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Speaker 4: They've been in clutch situations all year.

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Speaker 3: On the Michigan side, they haven't seen a quarterback like

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Speaker 3: perfect health. Other than Dylan Johnson, which is also something

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Speaker 3: pressure him. But strictly speaking on this matchup, when Washington

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Speaker 2: It's going to be if Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Is dropping dudes into coverage, right if they're playing games

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Speaker 4: It did seem like in the Texas game that Michael

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Speaker 4: of watching this in slow motion as he writes his story.

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Speaker 4: But it's not often that you've got a guy who

437
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Speaker 4: has coached at a really high level, both in college

438
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Speaker 4: and in the NFL, And so this would be another

439
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Speaker 4: one of those things for him that he could put

440
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Speaker 4: on the resume.

441
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Speaker 5: It does feel like a lot of arrows have been

442
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Speaker 5: pointing to this season.

443
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Speaker 4: Yeah, or for Michigan, whether with the schedule, whether with

444
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Speaker 4: the returning like veteran leadership that they had, They're gonna

445
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 4: have a lot of guys drafted off of this team

446
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 4: On top of it all, you've got that added Connor

447
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 4: Stallion's layer that maybe weirdly built some culture on the

448
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 4: team kind of worked for them more than it did

449
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 4: against them, at least inside of yeah, inside of that

450
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: locker room. That to me is really the most fascinating

451
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 4: aspect of the matchup.

452
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Speaker 3: Michigan's season getting here is sort of one in a

453
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Speaker 3: million in that, you know, not having your coach for

454
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Speaker 3: half the year, had these specific kind of allegations and

455
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: fans around the sport turning like fans in the sport

456
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: can't agree on anything, but then they're like, oh, let's

457
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: all agree Michigan's a bunch of cheaters, though, let's all

458
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Speaker 3: like file under that umbrella.

459
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Speaker 5: And so that that's unique. Nobody agrees on anything except

460
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Speaker 5: for that.

461
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Speaker 3: I think it's it really is, especially after watching Texas

462
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 3: and Alabama and some of their flaws on the field

463
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Speaker 3: and on the sideline, I think we got the best

464
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Speaker 3: possible matchup.

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Speaker 4: Well there were one and two, yeah, and in a

466
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Speaker 4: year where one Power five conference team did go undefeated

467
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 4: and did get screwed. Yeah, it is I think refreshing

468
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 4: to see two on a feed of teams making it

469
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Speaker 4: and it means that on both sides it stood for something.

470
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Speaker 2: Yep, was meaningful.

471
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Speaker 4: I've seen many comment that the BCS would have picked this,

472
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Speaker 4: we could have saved the entire playoff trouble to begin with.

473
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Speaker 5: That may be true, but then we wouldn't have seen

474
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Speaker 5: those games that we saw in New Year's Day.

475
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Speaker 3: Which I mean this would have been a Rose Bowl

476
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Speaker 3: National Championship in the eighties too, so we had.

477
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Speaker 5: A Rosebald Nash Championship.

478
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Speaker 4: Objectively, those games of New Years they were awesome, and

479
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Speaker 4: I feel like we learned a fair amount about both

480
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 4: of these teams, even if it was only confirming things

481
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Speaker 4: that we thought we knew going in.

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Speaker 3: All right, tie now with a full stomach and full

483
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Speaker 3: heart and full brain from Yakos to the fifty yard line. Look,

484
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Speaker 3: if we're talking about the big time, we came to

485
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Speaker 3: the biggest time, that's the Patriot League, and we are

486
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: on the fifty yard line of the Lehigh Mountain Hawks.

487
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Speaker 2: Engineers. That's right to.

488
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Speaker 3: Talk the other side of things, and the other side

489
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: of things, that's when Michigan has the ball, and I,

490
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Speaker 3: as far as I can tell, this is probably what

491
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Speaker 3: decides the game. This is Michigan with the ball, Washington's defense,

492
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Speaker 3: Washington defense being the obvious big question mark, and Michigan's

493
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Speaker 3: offense especially you look at how they were maybe how

494
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Speaker 3: they weren't we're down the stretch perhaps a big question mark,

495
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Speaker 3: and how do you see this? What is ringing in

496
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Speaker 3: your ears when you think about this side of the game.

497
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Speaker 4: The fine folks at Lehigh have allowed us on the

498
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Speaker 4: fifty yard line of Goodman Stadium for this very special rule.

499
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Speaker 3: It's not warm, it's not tropical today. If you're watching,

500
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: it's cold.

501
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Speaker 4: It is a workmanlike effort from you and I, and

502
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Speaker 4: in many respects that feels like it is Michigan's mo o.

503
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 4: Michigan's offense, I think, works on three levels and in

504
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: a very specific order. The first is their offensive line.

505
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 4: Everything is driven off of that offensive line. After that

506
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: the running game. The running game a direct result of

507
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: athletic linemen who they put into all sorts of concepts,

508
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: power counters, duos, you name it. They're very very good

509
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 4: at blocking like a big gap running scheme. And then

510
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: off of that is the third thing that works really

511
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: well for Michigan, and that is the play action pass.

512
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Speaker 4: Because the first two are so effective, the passing game

513
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: can be effective when they want to use it, they

514
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 4: don't always need to. And I think a big advantage

515
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Speaker 4: for Michigan going into this game is that whereas Texas

516
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 4: might have been a little bit impatient with trying to

517
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Speaker 4: do things a little bit more creative and the passing

518
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: game did not exhibit any kind of commitment to the run.

519
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 4: Like you and I were screaming when we were on

520
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 4: the run. It went well, it went extremely well, and

521
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Speaker 4: it felt like they should continue to do that. They didn't.

522
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Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's because of impatience or

523
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Speaker 4: because they thought they saw a matchup in the passing

524
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Speaker 4: game or what. Michigan does not have that level of impatience.

525
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Speaker 4: If Michigan sees that the way to win this game

526
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Speaker 4: is to run it sixty five times, I think they've

527
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Speaker 4: already proven that they're willing to do that. The Penn

528
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 4: State game is a great example. JJ McCarthy might have

529
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: been a little nicked up. JJ McCarthy threw the ball

530
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Speaker 4: eight times in that Penn State victory earlier this season.

531
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Speaker 4: So whereas I think Texas wanted to veer away, wanted

532
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Speaker 4: to be a little bit more creative in their schemes.

533
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Speaker 4: I don't think Michigan is as prone to overthinking it,

534
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: and so for me, that is a huge advantage because

535
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Speaker 4: we saw what we saw in that first playoff semi

536
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Speaker 4: final matchup with Washington and Texas. This is not a

537
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Speaker 4: Washington front seven that to me profiles as a particular

538
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Speaker 4: strength in this football game. They were sixty second nationally

539
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Speaker 4: in terms of points per drive. I think they've got

540
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: pretty good strength in the secondary that they've shown, and

541
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Speaker 4: that comes out in some of the stats and some

542
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Speaker 4: of those advanced numbers.

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Speaker 3: Is Elijah Jackson make the play at the end of

544
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Speaker 3: the game totally?

545
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Speaker 4: Totally? I mean that stuff shows up on paper. But

546
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Speaker 4: I think by and large, you look at this Washington

547
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 4: front and you say, okay, you can push them around.

548
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 4: You say, they don't particularly blitz a whole lot. And

549
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: then on top of it all, whether they're blitzing or not,

550
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: they generate virtually no pressure. And so I think it

551
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: really is Michigan's game to win in the trenches when

552
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: they have the football, if they want to drop back

553
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: and hand the ball off fifty times to Blake Korum

554
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 4: or some combination of running backs, it is there for them.

555
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: This has been who Michigan's been for the last couple

556
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 4: of seasons. They want to play that bully ball. This

557
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: is a really good matchup for them when they've got

558
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: the football, and because they are so athletic with their

559
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: linemen getting them into like these advantageous matchups. It gives

560
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 4: you the feeling, is the home viewer like they're never

561
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: going to get off the field. Michigan is very content

562
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Speaker 4: to just drain the clock if they have to. They

563
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 4: don't care if they score thirty points. It's about winning.

564
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 4: It's not about stats, and so that in this matchup

565
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Speaker 4: in particular, especially when we just got done talking about

566
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Speaker 4: Michael Pennix and how quick strike of an offense that

567
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: can be with his precision passing. Just keep them off

568
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: the field, dog, keep them off the field. Run your game.

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Speaker 4: I think that's good enough for Michigan to score their

570
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: points to win.

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Speaker 3: So, Okay, with Texas, the Washington defense had to respect

572
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Speaker 3: the run and pass. Okay, so you have Quinn e

573
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Speaker 3: or Xavier Worthy, j T. Sanders, all these guys. With Oregon,

574
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Speaker 3: you have to respect the run and pass. And Washington

575
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 3: actually did a really nice job taking away Oregon on

576
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Speaker 3: the ground. A really successful, if not like one of

577
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: the three most successful rushing attacks in the sport in

578
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve Championship game, and Oregon sort of similarly

579
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Speaker 3: to Washington, came out trying to throw, which I thought

580
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: was a sort of excuse me, sort of similar to

581
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: Texas to come out and throw against Washington, which is

582
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: sort of fool hardy. But I think Washington, in this

583
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: specific matchup, much like Alabama did somewhat successfully not all

584
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Speaker 3: the time, might be savvy enough to say, just beat

585
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: us JJ McCarthy, then here's eight guys in the Bucks do.

586
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Speaker 2: Something about it.

587
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Speaker 4: And I think that underscores my main concern for the

588
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: Michigan offense goring into this game because of the Penix

589
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: factor and because we know even if all things are

590
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: pointed against him, he still can put the ball where

591
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: it needs to go. If this Michigan offense falls down

592
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Speaker 4: fourteen points third quarter.

593
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what does it look like?

594
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Speaker 5: What does it look like?

595
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 4: We saw them down seven, and we saw JJ McCarthy

596
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: lead them on a game ty and drive. We know

597
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: that they've got that capability, but still that was more

598
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: of a systematic, longer eight play drive to march down

599
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: the field over three minutes whatever it was to tie

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Speaker 4: the game at twenty go into overtime. But if they're

601
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: down by a more substantial double digit margin later in

602
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 4: the game, I'm curious as to what this version of

603
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: the Michigan offense looks like. I think it is highly

604
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: unlikely that it to that because of the way that

605
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: Michigan plays on defense. I don't expect that this is

606
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Speaker 4: going to be a game where they're going to be

607
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Speaker 4: down by any great margin. Maybe a field goal, maybe

608
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: a touchdown. Right, I think this will be close even

609
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: if they're losing. But I do worry about what does

610
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: the quick strike Michigan come from behind offense look like

611
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Speaker 4: if they need to find it, because I don't think

612
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: that's particular which which Texas had that ability.

613
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Speaker 3: Right falling behind, Texas had the ability to come back.

614
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 3: We saw it at the end of the game that

615
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: the Washington defense, while improved over the course of the season,

616
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: that improves over the course of a game. They're very

617
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: good at making adjustments, is not outstanding. Is not the

618
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: best unit in this game. Certainly, I wonder, especially within

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Speaker 3: the context of Michigan season, going into that Penn State

620
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: game where they didn't throw it. That's the shron More

621
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Speaker 3: game is first, you know, taking over with minutes before kickoff.

622
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Speaker 3: Coming into that game, J J. McCarthy was seen as

623
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: a Heisman caliber quarterback. He had thrown for a ton.

624
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: He was legitimately dangerous. This offense was I think the

625
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: most efficient scoring offense in America because of its balance.

626
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: It hasn't been that way since JJ McCarthy made plays

627
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: against Ohio State. I'll go back to all the way

628
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: back to the Big Ten championship game. Didn't lead them

629
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: down the field out. Iowa's offense is or Iowa's defense,

630
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: excuse me, much more dangerous than Washington's defense. But they

631
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: didn't have touchdown drives in that game. And so that's

632
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: the worry to me that you can force not Michigan

633
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: to be, you know, a one trick pony. But there

634
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: is that idea that Michigan has to win in a

635
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: very specific way, and they can win in a couple

636
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: of different ways overall because of their defense. But if

637
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: this becomes a track meet, if this becomes like, yeah,

638
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: we'll put Roman Wilson on an island, We'll put Cornelius

639
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: Johnson on an island. Beat us like that and see

640
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: if it works out that there is that challenge involved.

641
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 4: I think with Michigan having the ball, we haven't seen

642
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: a whole lot in the way of opposition and be

643
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: able to really put them in a box where they

644
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: have to, And I think that is in large part

645
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: because their defense has not allowed any opposing offenses to

646
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: put them in a box. The Penn State game is

647
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: a great example. Penn State couldn't really get much going

648
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: the Ohio State game. Ohio stated the better offense, but

649
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: it's still it never felt to me as if they

650
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: were truly challenging the Michigan defense in a way that

651
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: put pressure on the Michigan offense. So if anybody offensively

652
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 4: can put pressure on the defense and force a response

653
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: from the offense, I suppose Washington's good candidate for that.

654
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 4: But for me personally, I think the advantage that Michigan

655
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 4: has on both sides of this one in the trenches

656
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: is what is going to bring them.

657
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: To the think you think Michigan has a definitive advantage

658
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: their defensive line against Washington's offensive line.

659
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: I wouldn't call definitive. I don't think it's infinitive because

660
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: I think Washington's got a really really good offensive front.

661
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: But I think what Michigan has done that could ask

662
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 4: questions of the Washington offense that we haven't seen in

663
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: a bit. They can they can generate pressure, they can

664
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: get in Michael Penox's face. And as we said, when

665
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: you talk about the Washington offense, if you can upset

666
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: his rhythm, Penix's rhythm, what style game do we see

667
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: from the Huskies? So I like that matchup for them,

668
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: even if it's not quite as definitive. I really like

669
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: the matchup on the offensive side of things for Michigan

670
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 4: with their line going up against the Washington front. This

671
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: is a Washington front that, again on paper and maybe

672
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: in practice, profiles as a specific matchup that Michigan can

673
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: take advantage of. So I really like Blake Korum, I

674
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 4: really like whoever Michigan wants to try it out there

675
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: to run. Now, I do think that to your point,

676
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: if Washington finds a way to make Michigan reverse engineer

677
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: that formula right where there's suddenly a pass first team

678
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: and they don't have whatever balance they're comfortable with, that's

679
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: when things could get interesting. But I only think that

680
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: happens if Michigan falls down say, two scores later in

681
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 4: the game, Okay, and that just does not seem likely

682
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: to me.

683
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: So the interesting thing to me too about this year's

684
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 3: Michigan offense is the rushing attack line has been very good.

685
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: The rushing attack has been good. It hasn't been smothering. No,

686
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: how many times have we talked about or heard anybody

687
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: talk about Donovan Edwards this year? No, Right like, we

688
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: kind of came to expect a one to two punch

689
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: of Blake Korm and Donovan Edwards. Right like, more all

690
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: purposely Donovan Edwards, more big play home run hitter. Blake

691
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: Korm is just like the dependable excellence at running back,

692
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: but he's not necessarily like the huge receiving threat, even

693
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: though he does have that touchdown through the air in

694
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: the red zone against Alabama. That Donovan Edwards is that

695
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: game breaker. We saw it last year against Ohio State,

696
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: we saw it in the playoff and the Michigan it

697
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: just hasn't been as automatic feeling this year for Michigan

698
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: on offense that like they can just push teams around,

699
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 3: you know, hasn't been like the Hussan Haskins Ohio State

700
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: game type stuff. No, And so that to me, it's

701
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: not a concern. There's a reason there what fourteen and

702
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: zer right winners win on both sides of this, right,

703
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: they're closing out games, They're clutch, they make plays late,

704
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: they make plays in high leverage moments. But I'm not

705
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: fully there on this level. Now, it's the Washington defense,

706
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: so that's at least nicer than having to face Penn State,

707
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 3: Ohio State, Iowa guys like that, the Texas defense. Obviously

708
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: they're not playing Texas the Alabama defense, but that to

709
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 3: me is somewhat of like something to note that they

710
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: haven't been overwhelming on the ground this year.

711
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think on a personal level, just

712
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 4: as a fan, yeah, I'm sure Michigan would be content

713
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 4: to just play that style of football where Washington down

714
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 4: win the game, you know, twenty one to eighteen. That

715
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: would be perfectly fine by them. On a personal level,

716
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 4: I would like to see JJ McCarthy aired out a

717
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: little bit more.

718
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: Would love that.

719
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 4: I think he's got it in him. Yeah, I don't

720
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: know if we feel as comfortable with the Actually I

721
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: know we don't. Yeah, Michigan wide receiving core as we

722
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: do the Washington one. It's two different beasts all together.

723
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: But I think we saw in a couple key moments

724
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: in the semi final man JJ McCarthy on that quarterback throwback,

725
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: throwing off his back foot, hitting a guy open. He

726
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 4: can still make plays. He is just not the focal

727
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: point of this offense the way you've engineered it, and

728
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 4: I think it would be a great story for him

729
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 4: to be able to have that moment. I don't know

730
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: if he will. I don't know if he will have to.

731
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 4: I believe he is good enough for it. I think

732
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 4: whatever he decides he wants to go pro, he's a

733
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 4: borderline first round pick. But in this game, specifically, it

734
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: starts with the run.

735
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 3: I should say, And just because we haven't mentioned his name,

736
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: really is I think Sean Moore has been a really

737
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: savvy offensive coordinator this year, and I've talked about, you know,

738
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: feeling like he didn't trust JJ McCarthy in that Penn

739
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: State game. And maybe it was offensive line injury, maybe

740
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: it was JJ McCarthy's own injury only throwing it eight times.

741
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: But you saw the plays that they were able to

742
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: execute against Alabama and those big moments, the big drive late,

743
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: Like I thought he did a really nice job putting

744
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 3: this offense in a position to keep drives going score

745
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: points in the red zone. Like he has turned into

746
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: a legitimately very very good sentence.

747
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: He's a very very good offensive court and he is

748
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 4: very very good at running this system. Yes, because of

749
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: the line. He's got really good linemen who he can

750
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 4: move around. They know each other well. It is a

751
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: veteran team with a lot of leadership. Michigan is very

752
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: good at running a few simple concepts, adding wrinkles to

753
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: make them less recognizable, and dominating in the trenches. They've

754
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 4: got the backs to do it. They've got the quarterback

755
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: to do it. If you need to play the pass

756
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: off the run, and I think in a matchup like

757
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: this it is strongly in their favor.

758
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 3: Should also point out just because this is the reality

759
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: when Michigan has the ball. The Washington defense as playmakers,

760
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: I don't think there is deep I don't think there's

761
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: star power in the way that we've seen from the

762
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: Texas defense the Alabama defense. But I think very quietly,

763
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: especially as they've gotten healthier over the course of the season,

764
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: especially a linebacker like these guys have gotten better sideline

765
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: to sideline. I don't love the inside of this Washington line,

766
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: but like, I like the edge a lot. I like

767
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: the secondary a good deal, especially Jabar Muhammad, Like, I

768
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: think they've got guys Like I think we might be

769
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: glossing a little bit too much, because look, if Washington's

770
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: defense was legitimately a concern was legitimately holding them back.

771
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: They would have lost Oregon twice. They might have.

772
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: In the Pac twelve.

773
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I'm doing that Washington defense a bit

774
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: of a disservice. I'll fully acknowledge that on paper does

775
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: not necessarily pair up with what you see when you

776
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 4: watch the videos. Right, and I go back to the

777
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: first Oregon game as a classic example. They come up

778
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: big in a very very key situation, it doesn't really

779
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: come out on paper. On paper, the profile is a

780
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 4: terrible red zone defense as a defense that if you

781
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: just looked at the numbers, you'd say, this is a

782
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: this is a huge gaping hole, especially in a game

783
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 4: of this magnitude. Yeah, I don't think I'm not saying that.

784
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 4: I think Michigan is just so good that that's why

785
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 4: there's an advantage for the Wolverines. But Washington, at least

786
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: on the back half of that defense has shown the

787
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 4: ability to make plays, has shown the ability to change

788
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: the game. And so if it comes down to that

789
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 4: on the Michigan side, where they actually have to go

790
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: out there and throw the ball twenty five times, that's

791
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 4: where I think we'll see a little bit more of that.

792
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: Sure, I think that's all reasonable.

793
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's interesting that just when I talk about

794
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: star power with Washington, it's not a negative. We just

795
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: have watched this game with Isaiah Simmons and Malachi Starks

796
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 3: and Quinn Williams, and like, guys are like, oh my god,

797
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: this dude is such like an undeniable, unstoppable problem. And

798
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: Michigan has a couple of dudes like that, especially in

799
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: the secondary and on the defensive line. Washington has a

800
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: corner who's like that. They've got an edge who's like

801
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 3: that in Brayln Trice and the rest of the guys.

802
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: They're not jags, they're not just guys, but they're good.

803
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: It's just taking over a game. That to me is

804
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: the if I'm if there's any bit of concern with

805
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 3: me with this Washington defense is like where is this is?

806
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: You know, big moments mean big.

807
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: Time players and where is like that true big time guy.

808
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: On the Washington Dabar Mohammad. I'd be one of the

809
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 4: better definitely shut down cornerbacks in college or shut down

810
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: defensive backs of Comtetball doesn't matter in a game like this,

811
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: with the way that Michigan wants to play, true, you know,

812
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: they might be able to scheme him out of the

813
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 4: game altogether, right, So.

814
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: And if he's just on an island with Roman Wilson,

815
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: and Roman Wilson isn't a factor, so be it.

816
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: Michigan favored by four and a half points over under

817
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: his fifty five and a half points. When you heard

818
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: that points read what was your initial take? It was

819
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: the same thing when I heard Washington was a dog

820
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: against Texas. It was like, I am, you're just gonna

821
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: keep doing this.

822
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: You're just gonna keep putting Washington as an underdog and

823
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: they're gonna keep winning, holding on taking advantage of opportunities, breaks, whatever,

824
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 3: And like, I don't know if I would have even

825
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: made them the favorite, but that's it seems like a

826
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 3: lot of points. And the other thought was the way

827
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: Michigan won even more than Washington. Whereas like Michigan expected

828
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: to be here. You can argue Washington didn't too, but

829
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: Michigan had more of a ramp up. I think with

830
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh and JJ McCarthy being there, you know, this

831
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: is being his third year now in the system, that

832
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: Michigan as a playoff team these last couple of years,

833
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: like they expected to be there. If they weren't in

834
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: the playoff, it would have been a disappointing year. Washington

835
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: has been to the playoff, but it wasn't. It didn't

836
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: seem like from the outside at least, that was like,

837
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: if we don't make the playoff this year, it's.

838
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: A complete failure. Yeah. And so.

839
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 5: Weirdly enough, I almost thought of that line and.

840
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: This matchup as like, is there a let down opportunity

841
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: for Michigan just because beating Alabama in the Rose Bowl.

842
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Michigan is looking past Washington to the offseason,

843
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: but going to overtime it's so emotionally fraught. How are

844
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: you not let down? And I'm sure they are let

845
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: down maybe in this moment, and then you just ramp

846
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: backed up for the game. But that was like, that

847
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: was where my brain went, not that Michigan wasn't taking

848
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: the national championship seriously, but like how emotionally spent this

849
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: Michigan team might be after that specific.

850
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: Manner of winning. Yeah, I mean who they be.

851
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: I think one of the interesting aspects to the way

852
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: that Michigan won there was that moment very late in

853
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: the game when Michigan and scored what appeared to be

854
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: the game tying touchdown.

855
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, and at least for a hot minute, there was

856
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 5: a question of is Jim Harbaught going to go for

857
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 5: two here?

858
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: Right?

859
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 5: Is he going to go for two? I think the

860
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 5: fact that he did it was a.

861
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 4: Pretty good signal and how much he trusts the rest

862
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: of his team, not just that his team would be

863
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: good enough to get to overtime on defense stop an

864
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 4: Alabama offense that had picked up a little bit momentum right,

865
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: was still very very dependent on Jalen Milroe now, but

866
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 4: the trust that he showed in his defense to get

867
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: him into that.

868
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 5: Overtime spot, I thought was important.

869
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: And you know, as as a build on that, just

870
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 4: the fact that he trusted his offense will be put

871
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 4: in a position at some point later down the line

872
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 4: still win that game. You know, I'm not going to

873
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 4: say that game wasn't emotional. We watched it. It was

874
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 4: emotional for us. I think whenever your coach trusts you

875
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: in that manner, that's the kind of thing that it

876
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: gives you life.

877
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: It gives you.

878
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: Life going into a week long build up into a

879
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 4: bigger game with bigger stakes, and so I don't put

880
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 4: as much emphasis on that. I you know, the vibe

881
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: for me when I look at the points spread is

882
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 4: I'm not betting the points spread. I don't want to

883
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: bet the points spread. These are two teams that I

884
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: am tired of betting against. In some regard, I have

885
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: been on Michigan most of the season. I wasn't last game.

886
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 4: I'm not going to use the line now that I've

887
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 4: picked Michigan to win the National championship. That was an

888
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 4: eternity ago. All right, I'm not at it. You had this,

889
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: so I had it. I overthought it. But that I am.

890
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 4: That has been the story of my twenty twenty three.

891
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: That can be an offseason podcast on its own, but

892
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: I am. I am beyond the point where I want

893
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: to bet against Washington, and certainly with what happened in

894
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 4: that Alabama game, I really don't want to pick against

895
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 4: Michigan again. I was all in on Michigan against Penn State.

896
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 4: I was all in on Michigan against Ohio State. I've

897
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 4: been all in on Michigan most of the way this season.

898
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 4: And when push came to show because of that specific

899
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: matchup with Jalen Milbro and.

900
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 5: How they might use him, I blinked.

901
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 4: Help of the week. Well, you've seen the sites, You've

902
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 4: heard the sounds of eastern Pennsylvania. I've eaten the calories

903
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 4: of beating the calories Biaco's, and now it's time to

904
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 4: get down to the nitty gritty.

905
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: You got to make a pick. Yes, who are we.

906
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 4: Picking in this football game? Why are we picking them

907
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 4: in this football game? After all the big picture and

908
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 4: specif unit analysis that we did.

909
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: Where you at here?

910
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: Michigan minus four and a half is the point spread

911
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: going into this game. Fifty five and a half appears

912
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: to be generally the over under.

913
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: That thirty twenty five somewhere in there.

914
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 4: That may shift a little bit before kickoff, but by

915
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: and large, that's the style game that Vegas thinks we're

916
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 4: going to get.

917
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: Where are you at?

918
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: I went back and forth a number of times. You know,

919
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: there's every cliche, every single one of my dan Weird

920
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: nicknames or phrases comes into play here, right, Winter Wonders

921
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: comes into play. Defense wins, championships comes into play. Luck

922
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: running out comes into play for maybe both of these teams.

923
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: Right that holding on by a razor's edge. Last week

924
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: in wins over Alabama and Texas, I'm gonna pick Washington.

925
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pick Washington, and Washington is my Jesse Pinkman.

926
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: He can't keep getting away with this kind of pick.

927
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: I said before the Texas game. I was sick of

928
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: picking against Washington. I'm still sick of picking against Washington.

929
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit on the fence. I'm not

930
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: gonna be a fence sitting grease pig type person where

931
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: I say, well, I could see Michigan winning. Of course

932
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: I could see Michigan winning. You need to make a pick,

933
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: so I'm going to say it with my chest. I

934
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: think Washington. I'm almost positive Washington has the better quarterback,

935
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: they have the better set of receivers. I think their

936
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: offensive line. If it's not clearly better, it's comparable or

937
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: a light slightly better or the similar of similar quality

938
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: to Michigan's. And who has better experience in this spot

939
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: losing than Super Bowl runner up Jim Harbo. Oh wow, No, okay,

940
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: that was unfair. There is just something to me about

941
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: offensive electricity, defensive improvement. I know it's very easy to

942
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: say defense wins championships and to not overthink it, but

943
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna. I've watched a lot of Washington football.

944
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: Anytime it seems that they're ready to be counted out,

945
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: something happens, not luck, but they pull it out. And

946
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 3: so I'm going with They're just gonna keep getting away

947
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: with it. Ty, they just are somehow, some way they're

948
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: gonna keep getting.

949
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: Away with it.

950
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 4: What's your final score?

951
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say thirty three twenty seven Washington. Wow, Wow,

952
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: what a win that would be and love for cal

953
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: Is this a reverse chinks from an Oregon fan. You're

954
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 3: gonna have to go back and rewind and do some

955
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: sort of diagnosis of my tone to truly figure it out.

956
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: But right now, that's that's the trust I have. Now,

957
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: this is I'm sure as part of what you're gonna

958
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: to lay in front of everybody, the obvious. If a

959
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: team gets blown out, who is it? It's probably Washington?

960
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: And I'm going against that logic and I hate it,

961
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: but I'm not gonna I think I could see everybody

962
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: could see either one of these teams winning. So my

963
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: pick is with Washington. I'm standing there. I'm standing here

964
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: picking the Huskies, and I've made peace with it.

965
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: I am going Michigan. Okay, I went against Michigan.

966
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: I don't think you're legally allowed to go back on

967
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: your pick.

968
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: Looked.

969
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 4: I was high on Michigan at the start of the year,

970
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 4: and I went against Michigan in my darkest hour, Yeah,

971
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 4: and picked Alabama because of a very specific matchup. I

972
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: think in retrospect, Michigan quitted itself, actually quite well. Michigan

973
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 4: needed a bit of a comeback in order to get

974
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 4: into overtime and win that game. But if you watch

975
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 4: the game, all sixty minutes of it, all sixty minutes

976
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: in change of it, yeah, it.

977
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: Felt like they were the better team.

978
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: To me, it felt like Alabama was hanging on a

979
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: bit by a thread, hoping Jalen Milroe could pull out

980
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 4: another play in the end, maybe not the worst play

981
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 4: call in retrospect, but didn't work. Michigan wins, they go

982
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: to the title game. I feel like because of circumstances

983
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 4: has been really easy to root against Michigan or invent

984
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: ways in which they won't win, right. They have been

985
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: up against this narrative surrounding the program all season long,

986
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 4: and whether it was the beginning of the season with

987
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh and the voluntary suspension or the mandatory suspension

988
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 4: at the end of the year, this is a team

989
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: that's battle tested in a very very different way.

990
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: The veig they've got.

991
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 4: The veteran leadership, they obviously won all the games on

992
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 4: their schedule, the combination of the defense, and what I

993
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 4: think they can do upfront, specifically against Washington, changing the

994
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: rhythm for Michael Pennix, with what I know they can

995
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: do on offense, which they've done to everybody on offense,

996
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 4: which is bully them. I feel very confident that Michigan's

997
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 4: going to win this football game. So I am going

998
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 4: to go back to where I was all the way

999
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 4: back yester year, July twenty twenty three. I think this

1000
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: is Michigan's year. Everything is pointed to this moment, and

1001
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 4: I'm not going to make the same mistake twice. Okay,

1002
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 4: So my pick in this game score is Michigan thirty four.

1003
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: Washington twenty seven.

1004
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: Oh, so almost identical. But in the other direction, I

1005
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: had thirty three twenty seven. Do you believe in the

1006
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: forces of the occult? Do you believe in the universe?

1007
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: Do you believe in somebody is not going to let

1008
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: Michigan win because of the allegations, because you know, growing

1009
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: evidence and what would be seen as a pretty dark

1010
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 3: moment if Michigan wins and immediately more comes out and

1011
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: it's sort of a bruised eye for college football.

1012
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 4: I mean, look, if you're an Ohio State fan, yeah,

1013
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 4: you're obviously not rooting for Michigan. Yeah, to win this

1014
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: football game. If you're an Ohio State fan, I would

1015
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 4: say Michigan not winning and then immediately being sanctioned heavily

1016
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: by the NCAB is the best possible outcome for you.

1017
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 4: So if you feel like, yes, the universe is just

1018
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: the universe works in mysterious ways. We are still waiting

1019
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: on the official results of whatever investigation in the NCAA

1020
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 4: is doing. We don't know the details of that. A

1021
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 4: lot has been inferred from what we know publicly, So yeah,

1022
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 4: on some level, I totally understand where people would come

1023
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 4: down on this, saying I don't want Michigan to win.

1024
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: Why would I want.

1025
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: Michigan to win? Even everything we know about this program

1026
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: with where they're at, there a bunch of cheaters. I

1027
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 4: understand that perspective. I'm not even saying that perspective is wrong.

1028
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: I'm just saying the two teams that are out there now,

1029
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 4: I think Michigan is the more solid product. I think

1030
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 4: the way they want to run their offense puts them

1031
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 4: at a distinct advantage here in this game against Washington.

1032
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: And so that's why I'm on thirty four to twenty seven.

1033
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, that's interesting. Ok Look, I understand the pick.

1034
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 3: I'm again going to speak and say I'm going with

1035
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: the quarterback. I'm going with the the lethality word. Yeah,

1036
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: great of Washington ceiling And.

1037
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I just there.

1038
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 3: Is something about Michigan. And it's not just by the

1039
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 3: way Ohio State fans rooting for Washington. It's kind of America,

1040
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 3: Like Washington is America's team in this moment, which hurts

1041
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 3: me to say out loud in American English.

1042
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: But we're the most likable team coming into the four

1043
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 4: team playoffs. Yeah, I agree, far and away, Far and away,

1044
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 4: because of the Pennox factor, because of I think all

1045
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 4: the circumstances surrounding how the other three teams got in.

1046
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 4: Whether or not you believe Florida State would have been

1047
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 4: at all in contention with Michigan if that were the matchup,

1048
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: that's beside the point. A lot of people rightly feel

1049
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 4: like Florida State got screwed, like they should have at

1050
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 4: least had an opportunity right to play in this game

1051
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 4: over in Alabama, over at Texas. Obviously that did not happen,

1052
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 4: and so there are a number of college football fans

1053
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 4: out there who feel like they didn't want to root

1054
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 4: for anybody. They don't want to root for Michigan because

1055
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 4: of the scandal. They didn't want to root for Alabama

1056
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: or Texas because they don't think they should be in

1057
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 4: with one loss over and undefeated Florida State. Washington by default, undefeated,

1058
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 4: fun quarterback, great wide receiving corps, fun offense to watch.

1059
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a ride.

1060
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 4: If you've watched every Washington game this season, But they're

1061
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 4: nothing if not likable, at least for somebody like me.

1062
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: I can't speak for you.

1063
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: How close did you get in your consideration to taking

1064
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: Washington or as soon as the games ended last weekend,

1065
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: you're like Michigan's winning.

1066
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 4: I immediately was on Michigan. Okay, I certainly understand the

1067
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 4: perspective of Washington. It feels like we have doubted them

1068
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 4: for a good chunk of the season, especially as they

1069
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 4: have played a bunch of close games. And yeah, that

1070
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 4: part of it definitely factored in. I did consider am

1071
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 4: I selling them short? But I know I sold Michigan

1072
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 4: short and that Alabama game, granted, Alabama easily could have won. Yeah,

1073
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 4: all right, but Michigan to me has been my team

1074
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 4: all year and to kind of go away from them

1075
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: in the semi final was not, in retrospect something I

1076
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: think I will do again, right, Yeah, hindsight's twenty twenty.

1077
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 4: I'm I'm on Michigan. I almost reverse engineered by pick

1078
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 4: backwards from Michigan because I sort of recognized the air

1079
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: of my ways rather quickly.

1080
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I gave immediately, I thought Michigan after last week Yeah. Yeah,

1081
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 3: And I don't know if this is a heart pick,

1082
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: because it's it's definitely not a heart pick. Washington is

1083
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: not my heart. My one of my little brothers went

1084
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: to Washington. So I'm always happy when he's happy, just

1085
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: not when it comes at the expense of the organ doc.

1086
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, there there is something pixie dust like about

1087
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: this year's charmed Washington season, whether it's against the the

1088
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: Oregon in the regular season or in the pactical championship,

1089
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, the Arizona game that was back

1090
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: and forth for a good chunk of that game, Wazoo,

1091
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 3: Oregon State, whatever the Arizona State weirdness there, they just

1092
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 3: keep getting away with it.

1093
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 4: Any consideration from your perspective on what happened last year

1094
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 4: where we had a Cinderella, we had a team that

1095
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: nobody expected to be in a different scenario, and this

1096
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 4: year's Washington all right, it's not apples tapples, but also

1097
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: played in a lot of close games, also had a

1098
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 4: big play offense that drove them to the championship game,

1099
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 4: had a defense that at times was suspect in you know,

1100
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 4: varying degrees, and got murdered in the championship by Jaca.

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00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: Yes, there is that consideration. I did not see that

1102
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: TCU team as deep at receiver, and I whereas Max

1103
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 3: Duggan was really good as like a complete effort quarterback

1104
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 3: right willing his team down the field at times late

1105
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: with his legs, with his arm, whatever. They were not

1106
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: a super advanced downfield passing attack in this way. I

1107
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: also don't think Michigan has the depth of these last

1108
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: couple of Georgia teams. They have NFL guys on both

1109
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: sides of the ball, but in terms of how lethal

1110
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 3: this Michigan team, like, I thought that the guys on

1111
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 3: Georgia's offense were so much better than I think there

1112
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: are they are. I think Michigan's players are good, but

1113
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: I think the Georgia players on offense last year were better.

1114
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: And the waves with which Georgia came at both TCU

1115
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: and the year before, anybody that came in front of them,

1116
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 3: essentially other than Alabama. I think it's a different story,

1117
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: but it's You're not wrong. But I do think there

1118
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: is something more special physically at quarterback with Washington than

1119
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: there was with Max Duggan and TCU. Purple teams though

1120
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 3: purple teams in this spot.

1121
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 4: Purple teams in this spot thirty four to twenty seven Michigan.

1122
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 4: My national champion yours was thirty three to twenty seven

1123
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Speaker 4: in favor of Washington Huskies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but is my tone sincere.

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Speaker 4: You may never know the question, that is the question.

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1128
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Speaker 4: let us know what your pick is for this game.

1129
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Speaker 1: And before we let the fine people go one more time.

1130
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Speaker 2: It's time to.

1134
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Speaker 4: Put my money where my mouth is. I'm going to

1135
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 4: combine three things in which I strongly believe. The first

1136
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 4: is Michigan minus four and a half. That's the points

1137
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 4: you've outline that sticking with it. The second is over

1138
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: fifty six points. I kind of feel like that's not

1139
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: as popular a pick, especially given how good Michigan's defense is.

1140
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 4: But flipside, Washington's got a pretty good offense. True over

1141
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 4: fifty six points. And last, but certainly not least, I

1142
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 4: tried this one. The last time I gave a themed parlay,

1143
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 4: I said Alabama over twenty and a half points. They

1144
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 4: got to exactly twenty and didn't win the football game.

1145
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 4: We're gonna try that again on the Washington side. We're

1146
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: not betting on them to win. Right, Washington over twenty

1147
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: and a half points, Michigan minus to four and a

1148
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 4: half over fifty six points, Washington over twenty and a

1149
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Speaker 4: half points. Okay, we need a name for this bet.

1150
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Speaker 4: We got one more to make account in.

1151
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Speaker 3: Okay, So they play in the ninety three Rose Bowl

1152
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Speaker 3: with national championships hopes, national championship hopes on the line.

1153
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Speaker 3: There's something in Houston where the game is.

1154
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Speaker 4: Let's go with Houston. We have a parlay Houston.

1155
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Speaker 2: We have a parbaly Houston.

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1170
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Speaker 4: Dan Rubinstein, thanks again enjoying the game and as always

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