1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Hello Texans fans, and welcome to the program that gets 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: you inside inn RG Stadium here in the Hunday Texans 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Radio studio. It's Texans All Access with Mark Vandermer and 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: John Harris, and welcome. As we discussed many things today, 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: will play Who's Better. Maybe we'll even get to it 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: in this segment, although I don't think we'll have time 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: for it in this segment because we're going over some 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: position group stuff, Johnny. And also, you wanted it, you 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: got it. As Sean Pendergast was tweeting out something about 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: which team the Texans fans hate the most, and I 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: am shocked, shocked, as Bob Ryan used to say on 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: the Sports Reporters shocked that the Cowboys are the number 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: one hated team and his poll so far on his 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: Twitter account, welcome, my friend. How's it going. I'm doing well? 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: And Sean should have known that he should have put 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: one more word in his tweet. His tweet is hashtag 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Penderpole for Texan fans, which team do you hate the most? 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: He should have put what team should you hate the most? 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: Should being the key word, because well he put three teams. 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: I don't agree with this and we'll talk about this, 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure after a little bit, but I don't. I 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: don't agree with this at at all, because there are 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: two teams that are trailing. Are the two that I hate, 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: like you say with you know, poisoned breath if you will, 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: or however you say it. I hate them like poison yes, 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: and sometimes not even just a sports hate on it. 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: But anyhow, I don't know if anybody, though, could hate 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts worst than Seth Payne. I love listening 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: to Seth when he goes off on an Indianapolis rant. 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: It's always really really fun. Well, he would he had 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: to stay at his stance while Peyton Manning did all 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: that stuff, all that Ben Stiller fake stuff that he does. Yeah, 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: now that pointing and traffic cop directing and crossing guard 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: duty or whatever. He's doing at the line of scrimmage 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: while the poor defensive lineman or in their stance, waiting, waiting, 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: and finally the ball is snapped and he's and he's 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: hitting some dude like I mean Dallas Clark or Marvin 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: Harrison or anybody back in the day when Seth Payne 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: was playing. Anyway, let's get to this, Johnny I promised 40 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: us yesterday, so we're gonna get to it. Position groups 41 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: for the Texans. I think they could fall into two categories, 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: and there are probably some nuances in between. One is, 43 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: look solid on paper, all right, this position group, whatever 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: it may be, we'll go over that. And the other 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: is I've got to see it to know. You know, 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: there might be some things there, but I gotta see 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: it to know. I have these ingredients. I'm gonna make barbecue, sauce, 48 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make rub I'm gonna make whatever i'm gonna make. 49 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: I know I've got some decent ingredients, but I gotta 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: mix it all together and see if it tastes good 51 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: first before I make a judgment. So you're with me 52 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: on that. I'm just gonna go A and B there 53 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: to make it super easy for us here on the radio. 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: I could have so many different subsets, but look solid 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: on paper. That doesn't mean it's pro bowl necessarily, but 56 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: it looks pretty solid, like I feel pretty good about 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: the prospects there. Another one is I gotta see it. 58 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: I gotta see it. Jail, You're ready, my friend, I'm ready. 59 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: Let's go. All right, Let's start out with and I'm 60 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: just gonna go there right now, because look, I know 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: that with the quarterback position, we have this gigantic unknown situation, 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: breaking news, gigantic unknown situation occurring at the quarterback position. 63 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: But you do know that you have some guys on 64 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: the roster here who are very interesting, like Harod Taylor 65 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: and Davis Mills, and we'll see about Jeff Driscoll and 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: all of that. Obviously, we don't know how it's all 67 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: gonna play out, but let's just go with those three guys. 68 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: I think it's really fair to say it's ay, I've 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: got to see it to know. With those guys, I 70 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: do feel pretty good about, especially having Taylor on the roster, 71 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: because he's such a solid citizen player. He can hold 72 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: it down for you. He's won some big games in 73 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: this league for some teams that needed him to do that, 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: Buffalo most notably, so I like that about him. And 75 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: we'll just see how that plays out. But are you 76 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: with me there? It's like, I gotta see it to know, 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: but I do feel pretty decent about it going in Relatively. 78 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to use that word relatively very carefully here 79 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: because I know that this is a way bigger story 80 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: than what we're talking about right here, no doubt. However, 81 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: the only thing that I would disagree with you on 82 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: is if I'm disagreeing and you're right, we still have 83 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: to kind of see it. But I sort of feel 84 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: like we know what Trod Taylor is. He's a tremendous 85 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: professional who is going to take care of the football. 86 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: He is not going to take needless risk down the field. 87 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: He's also not going to throw for four hundred yards 88 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: per game. You know going in that you're gonna get 89 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: the right decision made almost all the time. And if 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: that means it's a check down, it's to check down. 91 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: If it's a short throw to short throw, he will 92 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: take his shots selectively. He will not try and force it. 93 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: It may not always be the prettiest looking thing, but 94 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna move the sticks. I feel like we sort 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: of know if to Rod Taylor is healthy, that's what 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: we're gonna get now, Davis Mills, I there's so much 97 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: inexperience there that I can envision a guy with those 98 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: throwing skills. I mean, you watch him throw and you're like, WHOA, 99 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: that's pretty, but you just don't know how that's gonna translate. 100 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: Is he going to be a guy that wants to 101 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: take more shots in this particular offense? Is he gonna 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: take more risks down? If I don't know that, I 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: feel like Torod Taylor. I feel like that one. I know, 104 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: I feel like that one. I feel pretty good about 105 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get from Torod Taylor. And if you're 106 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: not turning the ball over and you're getting the ball 107 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: out to your weapons letting them do some things after 108 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: the catch, I think there's some guys after the catch 109 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: that are gonna be pretty good. So it's just a 110 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: matter of will you have the explosives down the field. 111 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: I don't think you'll have those now With Davis, I 112 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm with you, Yeah you do. You 113 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: still have to see it in action. But I think 114 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: Tarad's body of work is one in which you can 115 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: feel very good about the ball being taken care of, 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: the offense being the right play. No stilly mistakes are 117 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: gonna happen, and they're gonna move the ball, maybe a 118 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: little bit chunk not as chunkier. If you will, it's 119 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit more consistent, maybe you know, 120 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: slowly but surely down the field. But I'm totally fine 121 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: with that if we're not turning the ball over and 122 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: putting the ball in the end zone once we get 123 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: in the red zone. All right, let's go to running 124 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: backs here A, Johnny, and the two categories are A 125 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: looks good on paper. B. I gotta see it to 126 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: know as far as you're feeling about the position group 127 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: coming in, And even if you pick B, it doesn't 128 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: mean you don't like it. It just means like you 129 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: want to see it. You want to see it, obviously, 130 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: and I think the coaches would be you know a 131 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: lot of BI groups here. They want to see everything, 132 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: all right, Sure, running backs, I feel like this is 133 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: an A look solid on paper. And I don't mean 134 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: A in terms of the grading scale A through F. 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean it looks pretty solid to me when I 136 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: see and this is assuming health. Philip Lindsay, David Johnson. 137 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: I see whatever is left of mark Ingram. And I 138 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: think mark Ingram's addition is not just about what's on 139 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: the field. It's about what's off the field, which is 140 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: very important, particularly for the way this Texans team in 141 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one is constructed. I feel pretty good about 142 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: this group going into the season again with health, we'll see, 143 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: but I do like that, and that's obviously the aspect 144 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: for two guys in particular. Now for mark Ingram, it's 145 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: obviously age. Has father time caught up with him, and 146 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: hopefully it hasn't. I think with David Johnson and Philip Lindsay, 147 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: it just comes down to being healthy. Because when those 148 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: guys are healthy, they're incredibly productive. So I think it 149 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: looks good on paper. Can they those two in particular 150 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: stay healthy. When David Johnson came back off COVID, then 151 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: he got hit with the concussion, and then once he 152 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: came back from the concussion, the offense really started to 153 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: figure out how to use him and using him in 154 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: the zone game. And then I remember Indianapolis eleven catches 155 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: in that game. They figured out, look this guy, we 156 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: can throw it, we can check it down to him, 157 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: and he can make some plays after the catch. I 158 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: think he had eleven catches one hundred and something yarms 159 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: And you realize, whoa okay zone running back, really good 160 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: out of the backfield, can live with that. Now you 161 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: throw in Philip Lindsay, Now you throw in the power 162 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: and decisiveness of mark Ingram and you think, man, on paper, 163 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: this looks pretty good. I'm with you. I think this 164 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: is definitely an a category as long as guys stay healthy. 165 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: If they don't stay healthy, then you've got to rely 166 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: on Buddy how Scottie Phillips, Don Treil Hill, you're one 167 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: of those guys to step up, and at that point 168 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: you're kind of I don't know, I've got I've got 169 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: to see. We saw it very very little from Buddy 170 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: Howell last year, especially in that Chicago Bears game where 171 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: you win. Okay, maybe you can pound a little bit, 172 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: but a seventeen game basis, we don't know. I think 173 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: on paper, this looks pretty solid as long as guys 174 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: stay healthy, and hopefully with having two of them or 175 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: having three legitimate backs, that those guys can all kind 176 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: of you know, almost like I hate to even use 177 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: the phrase, but it's kind of patriot like James White, 178 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: Rex Birkehead and Sony Michelle and they kind of share 179 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: the load and it ends up being one nice running 180 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: back by committee. And if you go running back by committee, 181 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: the old people that lose out are the fantasy people. 182 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: And I don't have a problem with that. All right, 183 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: let's go to the next one offensive line, which I 184 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: think and again the two categories looks good on paper 185 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: or I've got to see it to know. Look, we 186 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: all have to see how they're gonna put together the 187 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: old line ultimately. But I think when you look at 188 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: what's there on paper, you feel pretty good about what 189 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: you've got. I think it looks good on paper. We'll 190 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: see out looks at OTAs and such. Although you can't 191 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: judge O line at OTAs. You gotta wait till training camp. 192 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: You basically have to wait till week five. Let's be honest, 193 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: especially with a group that's going to come together like this, 194 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: although you do have some returning pieces, I think you'll 195 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: be with me that this is in the look solid 196 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: on paper group. It does. And I think, as crazy 197 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: as it sounds, because Larmie Tunsil is, we see Laramie. 198 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Laramie is the top five, top three tackle 199 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: on the league. PFF has a number eight, and if 200 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: I agree with that, I think Laremia is definitely higher 201 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: than that. But you know what you get with Larmie Tunsil. 202 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,119 Speaker 1: If the veterans that come in Britt Cannon in particular 203 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: Lane Taylor, those guys are healthy, feel good. I feel 204 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: really good about it. To me, the X factor honest 205 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: offensive line and maybe on this offense is that right 206 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: tackle with Titus Howard. Titus Howard's six sess can take 207 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: this from a we know we have offensive line to man, 208 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: this is a lot better than we thought. This is 209 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: year number three. He played half of year one, dealt 210 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: with the knee injury. At the end of the year, 211 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 1: we missed him in the playoffs. Year number two was 212 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: kind of inconsistent, was good at times, was really good 213 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: at times, and there are times he struggled a little bit, 214 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: was banged up a little bit, so there was a 215 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: lot going on. This is year three. If Titus Howard 216 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: locks it in, then this offensive line ends up being 217 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: much better than we think. I to me, I had 218 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: It's funny. I had this conversation, but I got our 219 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: guy Tyler shot at today and I felt like there 220 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: are three players that really stand out to me that 221 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: have got to take a year one a year two 222 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: leap or a year two to year three gigantic leap, 223 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: and Titus Howard ends up being one of them. I 224 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: think Titus has proven that he has every physical capability 225 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: of being great at the right tackle position. It now 226 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: has to come together play in play out, run game, 227 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: pass game all the time. And that hasn't gotten there yet, 228 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: and it has to. And here's the other thing when 229 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: you look at this team, and this is one of 230 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: the reasons why take the quarterback situation out of it 231 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: for what it is. There's only one first round draft 232 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: pick that the Texans have made on this team prior 233 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: to twenty thirteen or after twenty thirteen. It's Titus Howard. Yeah, 234 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: he's the only one. Obviously the Sean's the other one. 235 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: We don't know how that's gonna go be that out. 236 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Titus Howard is the only first round draft pick I 237 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: don't know that we've made. Now. Laramie was one, and 238 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: others you know, are on a team. Randy Cooks' first 239 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: round pick. I'm talking about Texas drafting that player only one. 240 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: Titus has got to live up to that in year three. 241 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: I think he can. I think we does. This offensive 242 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: line is going to be the foundation piece for this 243 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: offense going forward, but he's got to get to that 244 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: particular level. I'll tell you that two others are later. Okay, well, Laramie, 245 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: you have two ones invested in him. You have three 246 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: one look at invested in your tackles, right, I got 247 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: you yet, And then you have a fourth because you 248 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: have Charlie Heck who looked good as a spot guy 249 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: last year, and Rod Johnson's back on the team. And 250 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: I think that with the tackle situation here, you have 251 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of insurance. You have a little bit 252 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: of depth and maybe a lot of depth in a sense, 253 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, maybe more depth than a lot of teams 254 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: have just at the tackle position. Johnny, I think that's 255 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: a big plus. I think overall, Mark, it's the best 256 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: depth we've seen on the offensive line here. I felt 257 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: like going in in twenty twenty, well, we knew who 258 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: the starting five were, but I don't know how this 259 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: is gonna work behind them. I'm not totally sure about that. 260 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: Even going into twenty nineteen, after Titus and Max were drafted, 261 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: you felt like, well, I don't know how they fit together. 262 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: And of course Laramie came in, but I always felt 263 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: like the depth wasn't quite where it needed to be. 264 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: Now you look at guys like Justin McCray, Lane Taylor, 265 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: Justin britt Marcus Cannon, If Laramie and Titus are your tackles. 266 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Then those four guys for three spots, those are all 267 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: experienced NFL starters and pretty good ones when they're healthy. 268 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: So having the depth, and like you said, Rod and Charlie, 269 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: heck to go with Laramie and Titus. You know me, 270 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: I've always said, man, you're gonna win with the lines offense, 271 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: defensive line. That's where you're gonna win the game. And this, 272 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: to me is where it's going. Having depth, a deep 273 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: offensive defensive line, and that's where this group can go 274 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: to a different level, in particular Titus taking it there. Again, 275 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: as long as you can have Marcus justin lane Taylor, 276 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: those guys be healthy and Len. Look, the other key 277 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: is my Max Sharping. Where does he fit into all this? 278 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: But to me, Titus is that much more important because 279 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: he was a first round pick. Oh. I know, you 280 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: don't worry about where a guy was drafted, but when 281 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: you put a first round when you only had one 282 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: first round pick, and you put that investment in an 283 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, that guy's got to produce. He's been good, 284 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: but he can be that much better and then your 285 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: offensive just entire output goes to a different level when 286 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: he matches his skill level, which is very, very high. 287 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: He's just got to get to that point in year three. 288 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: All right. The two categories for a position group evaluation 289 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: for where we are right now at OTAs look solid 290 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: on paper or I've got to see it today. Let's 291 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: continue with the offense wide receivers. To me, look, let's 292 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: look solid on paper. I thought last year's looked solid 293 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: on paper. Look what they did. They were deeper than 294 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: I thought last year because they ended up needing to 295 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: use everybody. The first four guys they had last year, 296 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: I thought we're gonna be really good as a group. 297 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: It turned out they went through all four of them 298 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: at one point or another and then had to go 299 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: really deep because you didn't know what Kiki qt was 300 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: gonna do, Chad Hanson, you didn't know any of this stuff, 301 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: and they ended up having to use all those guys. 302 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: And we all know the story that they led the 303 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: league in passing. But this year's group, Johnny, as long 304 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: as Cooks is healthy, all right, I feel really good 305 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: about the group because I think enough guys will emerge 306 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: to give you a nice core here. I can't tell 307 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: you exactly what it's going to look like. I don't 308 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: know if Nico Collins is gonna have a great rookie year, 309 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I think Chris Conley is gonna 310 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: be pretty good. I think you have a lot of 311 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: other options to perform well at the wide receiver spot. 312 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: So I think based on everything that you have as 313 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: a collective group, you look pretty solid on paper? Am 314 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: I wrong? The guys that we've seen come in and 315 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Alex ericson, Chris Connley, Chris Moore, even Dante Moncrief, even 316 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: Taiwan Taylor who came in, we've all seen them do 317 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: do things and do some pretty solid things in the league. 318 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: You know, Chris Connley was a guy with that speed 319 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: down the field. You know, Chris Moore is made more 320 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: of his career on special teams, but he's made some 321 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: key catches against US. Alex Erickson has had some definite 322 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: moments with the Bengals. So we've seen these guys all. 323 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: You know, we know what those guys are. In all honesty, 324 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: I think the biggest question is together as a group, 325 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: how do they all fit? What's what is what is 326 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: the right fit for this group of pass catchers, And 327 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: that to me is kind of the wait and see thing. 328 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: Because I feel individually like I've seen all these guys 329 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: do good things in the NFL, so you almost don't 330 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: even have to prove that to me. But together as 331 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: a group, how do they how do they all fit? 332 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: What's the right mix of cob qt cooks? Like? Those 333 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: are the three you think you would start with, right, Well, 334 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: you don't any size with that group. So are you 335 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: limited with those three guys on the field in certain 336 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: areas where you can go because you don't have a 337 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: big receiver there? I don't know. That doesn't bother me 338 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: all that much because you do have a big receiver 339 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: in Nico Collins. But it just got to come along 340 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And I've said this about Nico Mark a 341 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: few times, and I mentioned the name DK Metcalf, and 342 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, John Harris just compared Denco Collins and 343 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. Here's what I mean. From a physical freakish standpoint, 344 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: Nico has that kind of physical ability. But DK went 345 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: to Seattle still the end of the second round draft pick. 346 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: Nobody really knew what was there, and so they were like, 347 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: what's his best asset? Well, he can run fast down 348 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: the field and go get it off somebody's head. And 349 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: so they did that, and so early in the year 350 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: that's what he did that he was just outside the numbers, 351 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: just blow and go, just throw, let me go get it. 352 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: Let's start to get him in his confidence. And by 353 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: halfway through the year then they were adding different you know, 354 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: more receiver you know, more receiver routes, more interior routes, 355 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: more intermediate routes to just the deep ball. So he 356 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of came along. That's what they did. They introduced 357 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: that to him. He mastered that, and they actually introduced 358 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: more and more and more, and now DK is one 359 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: of the top five seven, five seven receivers in the league. 360 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: I say Nico gets there like that, but I think 361 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: the philosophy of look, what can you get out of 362 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: Nico right away, Well, you know he can, you know, 363 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: take the top off of d outside the numbers and 364 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: go get it off of Dv's head. Okay, well let's 365 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: see if we can't do that. Let's see if we 366 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: can't add that to what we already have with all 367 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: these other quick yat type of receivers that you get 368 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: on the ball in space and they can do something 369 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: with it. Let Nico be that guy. That just goes 370 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: and flies down field like Dka did and see if 371 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: you can't build up his confidence doing that. But to me, 372 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: this group is a little bit more wait and see 373 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: because I kind of need to see how they're gonna 374 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: all put all these pieces together. And that's the reason 375 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: I would say it's a little wait and see for me. Okay, 376 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: tight ends. I know we've talked a lot about the 377 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: tight ends, so we'll keep this one short. And the 378 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: two categorizations are look solid on paper or I've got 379 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: to see it to know. To me, the tight end 380 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: group is a little bit of both. You know, I 381 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: see some solid things here, but I got to see 382 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: it to know because I feel good about Aikens, but 383 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: you want to see the consistency. Farrell Brown, you know 384 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: he could do some things for you. I'll do the 385 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: old football cliche. He could do some things, which is 386 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: a positive when you're speaking as a coach. Brevin Jordan. Look, 387 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: he's a rookie, so who knows, he could turn out 388 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: to be really special. The things you were saying about 389 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: Nico Collins, some of those things Brevin Jordan can do, 390 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: especially in the red zone wearing I don't know. I 391 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: mean I'd love to see it. We'd all love to 392 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: see it, right, We just don't know. I mean that's 393 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: the ultimate. I've got to see it to know. Yeah, 394 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: so I think you'll probably be with me that this 395 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: is a I've got to see it to know kind 396 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: of group. Absolutely, I'll keep that one short. You're absolutely right. 397 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: It is how is this group going to come together? 398 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: And I think you mentioned it. I think wearing as 399 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: a massive X factor. He's been working with Rod Taylor. 400 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: He's posted that on his Instagram. They were in Atlanta 401 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: or as Kahale wanted to put it at Atlanta. But 402 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: the point being he's been doing some work with Trod Taylor. 403 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: And you're new to a situation, and to Rod's been 404 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: new to different situations. You want to go with somebody 405 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: that maybe you've grown to trust just recently. So maybe 406 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: that works to Kalli's favor. But it is a definite 407 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: wait and see with this group because there's a lot 408 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: of talent. I think in this group it's just a 409 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: matter of who can stay healthy long enough to earn 410 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: the trust of who's ever at quarterback? And I don't know, 411 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: I think that's to be determined. To be honest, well 412 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: to be determined, no doubt, but I gotta see it 413 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: before I'm ready to say, Okay, this is how I 414 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: think it's gonna go. Okay, I don't know if we 415 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: have an enough time to give the defense justice, but 416 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: I just want to do this because I think the 417 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: secondary is definitely and I've got to see it to 418 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: no kind of group. Yes, but let's just look at 419 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: the front seven here, and there's a lot of players 420 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: that factor into the front seven. Okay, I've got twenty 421 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: six guys who are candidates to play I do. I 422 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: have sixteen DL and I have ten linebackers, so I 423 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: have twenty six guys to be candidates to play at 424 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: the front seven. And when you're looking at pass rush, 425 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: which is how I'd like to break this up, not 426 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: by DL and linebackers, but pass rush and run stopping right, 427 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: because some guys will be good at one, not and another. 428 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: Maybe some guys are good at both all right, But 429 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: I think in terms of the run d I'm feeling 430 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: like they look pretty solid on paper. To me, I 431 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: bet they're gonna be pretty good. They're gonna be a 432 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: lot better than they were last year. Pass rush is 433 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: I've got to see it to know. I think they're 434 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, they have some ingredients here, guys who can 435 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: do it from time to time, and maybe it comes 436 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: from different places. Maybe it's like that time Carolina let 437 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: the league in sacks and they had nobody get more 438 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: than the nine or whatever it was. Maybe they're that 439 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: kind of team. I mean, that's that might be the 440 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: upside for them. I don't know, But are you with 441 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: me there? That run d they should be better pass rush. 442 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: We gotta see it to see it to know. You know, 443 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: what's interesting about the way you have phrased this separating 444 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: those playing the run against those which front seven player 445 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: front players front four player. Which front four player is 446 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: the best playing the run and rushing to quarterback? And 447 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: the reason that in this in this group, on on 448 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: on this squad right now, which player do you think 449 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: is the best playing the run and rushing the quarterback? 450 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean? And the reason I bring that up, The 451 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: reason I bring that up is is I look at 452 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: these guys. I'm the way you set it up. I 453 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: see guys that are good against the run, the improvement 454 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: rushing to quarterback, Guys that are good rushing to the quarterback. 455 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: Charles Man who looking right at you. Not as great 456 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: play in the run. I mean, it's all. I mean, 457 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: it's there's a separation of those particular type of players. 458 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see which player becomes a dual 459 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: threat and can stay in the field all three downs, 460 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: whether it's inside or outside. I mean, can Shack Lawson 461 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: be a player like that for you? I think he could. Yes, 462 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: Who's good at both? Because you mentioned a mena who 463 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: and then you look at Jacob Martin and people like that. 464 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: But you don't want to be in third and five 465 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: where you think they're gonna throw it here it's third 466 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: and five and then all of a sudden, that's a 467 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: draw play in boom. You have trouble stop at the run, 468 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: which happens to a lot of teams. But you know, 469 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: you just have to be very careful here. Look, and 470 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: we'll continue that part of the conversation during another program 471 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: because we have to come back and play who's better, Johnny, 472 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: Who's better? And I've got vintage quarterback who's better? I've 473 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: got quarterback Alma Mater who's better. I've got road environment 474 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: which is tougher, and a bunch of other ones as well. 475 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: Coming up on Who's Better? Here on Texans Radio. It's 476 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: Texans Radio, Mark Vandermyer, John Harris, keeping your company Tuesday evening. 477 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: We always have fun during Tuesday nights because, among other things, 478 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: we play Who's Better, the game that has swept the 479 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: nation and taken over the world, at least in my mind. John, Yes, 480 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: let's do it, okay, Who's better? Let's do it this way? 481 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: Kind of a who's tougher? Or which is tougher road 482 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: environment that the Texans will face this year. I'm going 483 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: to give you these choices Buffalo, Cleveland, Indy. And I'll 484 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: put an honorable mention if they're going good by the 485 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: time the Texans get there, Because if they're going good, 486 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: it's a tough place to play. Arizona. The Texans play 487 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: the NFC West, and they dodge the bullet in that 488 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: they don't have to go to Seattle, which is brutally tough. 489 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: That's a really tough environment. Everybody knows that. I don't 490 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: think the Rams of that up, but it's the new stadium, 491 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: so who knows. We've never seen it full before. It 492 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: might be ridiculously tough if the Rams have it going on, 493 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: because we all know they're gonna be fair with their 494 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: fans there in southern California. But I think I'm right here, 495 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: right Johnny, where I say Buffalo and Cleveland. I'm not 496 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: gonna throw Miami in there, because Miami is gonna be 497 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: decorated with a lot of battle red Texans fans. But Buffalo, Cleveland, 498 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: maybe Indie. What do you think? Not gonna say Indie 499 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: at all. Oh, which, by the way, we haven't even 500 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: talked about the Jaguars building. It's called the Hunt It's 501 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: like our building, the Texans. We haven't even talked about 502 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: the fact that the Jaguars draft board was posted on 503 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: the video and you can see clearly that their third 504 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: round pick Andre Cisco was given a higher value than 505 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: the Colts first round pick Quity Pay. That's a story 506 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: for different time. I won't say Arizona and I won't 507 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: say Indy, even though we've been India a lot. Indie 508 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: has its moments, But Cleveland been to twice and last 509 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: year the crowd was limited, obviously due to COVID, but 510 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: they were awesome. They were awesome even in a small, smaller, 511 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: less populated setting. So I'm gonna say Cleveland number two. 512 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Buffalo number one. I loved going to 513 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: Buffalo twenty fifteen. Fans are right on top of you. 514 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: We suck. Not only that we saw them travel, So 515 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: if they traveled the way they did to our playoff 516 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: game in twenty nineteen, I know what it's gonna be 517 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: like if that team is as good as everybody thinks 518 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be in twenty fifteen. I think Buffalo is 519 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: the tougher road environment, but I love going there. I 520 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: love their stadium. I love how the fans are right 521 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: on top of you. I think it's such a cool environment. 522 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: And I know there's been talking about a new stadium 523 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: up there. I've talked to sal about that. Sapaccio, solid 524 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: reporter for the Bills. He doesn't really want to move. 525 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: He likes that environment too, So I'm actually looking forward 526 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: to going to Buffalo, also because it's in October and 527 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: not December. If you're from Western New York, there's just 528 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: something about it. I know Seth Payne got out of there, 529 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: but if you're from Western New York, you feel really 530 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: great about where you live. It's a dynamite place in 531 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: the summer, obviously, but you know the people at home 532 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: is home. All right, if you're from there, you're from there. Okay, 533 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: let's do this. Who's better in the case of who's worse? 534 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: What's the worst team? What's the best chance to get 535 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: a win among these three teams on the Texans schedule? 536 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: And it's based on where you'll actually where you actually 537 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: think they'll be at when you play them. Now, it's 538 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: early for the Jags and Carolina. It's week one and 539 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: week three. The Jets are later on. But those three teams, Jets, Carolina, Jags, 540 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: I think the Jets are the automatic answer here. However, 541 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, you brought it Rob Solid to coach the team, 542 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: you brought it Baby lit Floor to coach the offense, 543 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: you drafted Zach Wilson. The Jets gonna be better? Is 544 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: it automatic that the Jets are the worst team of 545 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: the three. You're really gonna put that on them? Even 546 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: though the Jags had the number one pick in the 547 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: draft meeting, they had a worst record. Thoughts, I think 548 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: the Jags will be better later in the year than 549 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: in week one, which who, boy, is this tough? I 550 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: think the Jets are gonna have their struggles. If Zach 551 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: Wilson struggles, I mean think about how much is on 552 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: his shoulders. There's if he struggles or he gets nicked 553 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: up in any way, shape or form. You're talking about 554 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: a roster that still has plenty of holes, and the 555 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks are Mike White and James Morgan. So if 556 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is either a not getting it done be 557 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: nicked up, that's that roster's not where it needs to 558 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: be yet. Now it's it's gonna get there. And if 559 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is playing well, that's a tough team. I'm 560 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: gonna say, Jets, I think you're right. It is the 561 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: is the easier answer, But I just feel like that 562 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: offensive line isn't all the way put together. They've got 563 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: they've got a few dudes on defense, but not enough yet. 564 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: But if Zach Wilson's playing well, then all bets are 565 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: off and that Jets team can be getting there a 566 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: whole lot quicker than we think. If Trevor Lawrence struggles, 567 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: that is going to be so scrutinized and so many 568 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: people will have been wrong. And now look if he 569 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: struggles as a rookie, so what, But we've seen so 570 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: much early success from rookies lately, you know, at least 571 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: early flashes at the very least. Yeah, that it puts 572 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on these guys to perform right 573 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: away once they get into the lineup. So we'll see 574 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: how it goes. All Right, who's better? Let's get to 575 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: do to play with the Texans quarterbacks in the building currently? 576 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: Who's better as far as they're Alma mater at producing 577 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks? Okay, first of all, let's go to Let's 578 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: go to Florida, where Jeff Driscoll's from, and some of 579 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: the guys who have come out of there, like Rex Grossman. Hey, 580 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: he's been to a super Bowl with the Bears, right, 581 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: Jane Matthews, Jesse Palmer, he was good on The Bachelor, right, Yeah, 582 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I will let you include Cam 583 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: Newton as a oh, as a Florida quarterback? Really, I 584 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't you know me? I would not because he did 585 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: not cut his teeth there. He might, all right, stole 586 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: a computer and then left Stanford, John Elway Andrew Luck 587 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: And it doesn't stop there, Johnny, it doesn't stop there. 588 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: Did you say, Jim Plunkett, Jim Plunkett, Trent Edwards, I 589 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: was Trent Slouch, John Brody. Okay, yeah right, let's go 590 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: to Virginia Tech here for a moment. M Michael Vick 591 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: very good one. He didn't start much, but man Don 592 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: Struck played oh yeah right, thirty eight overtime San Diego 593 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: beating Miami. He came off the bench to throw for 594 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: a gazillion yards. Don Struck. I think I just answered 595 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: my own question. Who's better as far as they're all 596 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: the outer producing NFL quarterbacks, It's Stanford. It's gotta be. 597 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: It's gotta be. I mean with Elway Plunkett two number 598 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: one's overall, uh two numb one overalls and then uh 599 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: in two world championships. So yeah, it's it's gotta be 600 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: those two. Oh and then Andrew Luck was number one overall. 601 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: That's wow three number one overall picks. Thankfully, Andrew Luck 602 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: did not win a championship, thankfully, But it's it's just 603 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: for fun. Can I throw Clemson in there and just say, 604 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: all right, um, Steve Fuller, Charlie white Hurst checked down, 605 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: Charlie no clip Moore, jesus no, no kay, all right, 606 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: I won't do that. That's not I mean, not yet. Now. 607 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: It couldn't be. It couldn't be depending on what TV 608 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: does eventually and what d but that's down the road. Oh, 609 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to have to pronounce that so much. Okay, 610 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: that was my question, and it wasn't a very good one. 611 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: But here's a good one. This is a tough one, 612 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: and I really hate even to do a who's better 613 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: on this one. This is the vintage quarterback Who's Better 614 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: of the week, And it's Dan Founts versus Warren Moon. Oh, 615 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: both Hall of famers. And look, we could go about 616 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: this in the way of who furthest in the playoffs, 617 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: which is fouls two AFC Championship games. Yeah, who never 618 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: went past the divisional round? Moon through for a bazillion 619 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: yards and was phenomenal. And Moon, I gotta give him 620 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: credit here. He showed the world how ridiculous it is 621 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: he didn't get drafted as a quarterback. And what are 622 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: you doing, NFL? This guy's a huge, supreme talent and 623 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: you sent him north on the border to win five 624 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: Gray Cups before we get a width of this league. 625 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: And lord knows what he would have done had he 626 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: got into the NFL right away. Let's say he's starting 627 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: year three. That's three more seasons of passing yards with 628 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: Warren Moon and maybe better experience, who knows. And the 629 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: resume is completely different as it is, it's still Hall 630 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: of Fame on the rez. But Fouts as a pioneer, 631 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: made the three hundred yard game a thing in this league. 632 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: This blew open the passing game in the NFL late 633 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: seventies early eighties. This is a tough one. Who's better 634 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: Dan Fouts or Warren Moon. It's you're right, it's going 635 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: because you can't say, oh, who had more rings, I'm 636 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: still gonna say Warren Moon. I think Warren Moon will 637 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: go down for me, at least from what I've seen 638 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: as one of the most one of the five most 639 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: talented quarterbacks, just physically gifted throwing the football that I've 640 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: ever seen it beautiful, incredible, absolutely unbelievable thrower of the football. 641 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: Now you can go through the different machinations of what 642 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: happened to the Oilers and the playoffs, and you know, 643 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: flip the two guys. Put Dan Fouts with the Oilers 644 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: during run and shoot and put Warren Mood with Jefferson Winslow. 645 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: Now that would get kind of interesting. So there are 646 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: always those sort of sort of questions I think in 647 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more balanced environment, Warren Mood would have 648 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,959 Speaker 1: gotten the championship at some particular point. I just think 649 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: he is as gifted throwing the football as very few 650 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: have ever seen. So I'm gonna go Warren Moon. Fouts, 651 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: they were guile and Eric Corrielle. I think Moon did 652 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: it with physical just unbelievable throwing acumen. So I'm going 653 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: Warren Moon. Not to insult the Oilers, but didn't Fouts 654 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: have a lot more talent around him? I would tell 655 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: you yes, Yes, I think Warren got that talent at 656 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: the end when they were when they were purely run 657 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: and shoot, what you're talking about Charlie Joyner, John Jefferson 658 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: and Kellen Winslow. I mean, and Chuck Muntzy out of 659 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: the backfield then I Muncie, you know, ridiculous talent and 660 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: James Warms in the backfield. Ye, no, slouch. Oh all right, 661 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: So it's a tough one. I agree. If GM's are 662 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: picking a team, they're picking Moon because the ceiling is 663 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: so much higher in appearance and all of that. The 664 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: ball was so pretty. Fousts through an ugly ball, let's 665 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: be honest. But it got there. It got there, so 666 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: it's a fun one to debate who's better Fouts or 667 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: Moon in our vintage quarterback Question of the Week. Coming up, 668 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: Sean Pendergast's tweet who's the most hated team among Texans fans? 669 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 1: We disagreed, will debate and discuss next here on Texans Radio. 670 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 1: Mark Vandermayer, John Harris with you on Texans Radio. Okay, 671 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: as we said at the top of the show, Sean 672 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: Pendergast tweeted about which team Texans fans hate most, and 673 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: he gave multiple choice Cowboys, Titans, Colts, Cowboys lead the 674 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: Way running Away, which I was surprised about. I think, Johnny, 675 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: what this is is Houston sports fan weighing in and 676 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: the hatred of the Cowboys is so deep that people 677 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: aren't taking time to think. Okay, sports hatred. I'm a 678 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: scientist of sports hatred. I understand hating the Cowboys, and 679 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: believe me, I am not a Cowboy fan. You know, 680 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: we've talked about this. They were very nice to us 681 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: during Hurricane Harvey in the organization, and you know, there 682 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: are a lot of people who work there, like Bradsham 683 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,439 Speaker 1: that are really like and I kind of like Dak 684 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: Prescott who as a guy, I just don't like the 685 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: Cowboys as a team and I never root for them virtually, 686 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: never root for them to win unless they're playing another 687 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: AFC South team. But as far as I think, I 688 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: can't speak for you, but I think you'll agree with me. 689 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: The Cults and the Titans are far away more hated 690 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: or should be more hated by Texans fans on the Cowboys. Yes, 691 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: and should be in the key word, I mean, you 692 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: play the Cowboys every four years and look the environment 693 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: in the first two that I've been on the sideline 694 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: for twenty fourteen at Jerry World, we talked about that, 695 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: I think last week Week be four and then twenty 696 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: eighteen the Sunday night game at home with Hopspins. Those 697 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: were two the more intense games playoffs included that I've 698 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: I've been on the sideline for. It's been unbelievable. The environment, 699 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the hits on that Sunday night game in 700 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, late Van Eresh and Jalen Smith We're looking 701 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: to knock everybody out, and the defense for the Texans 702 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: doing the same. It was unbelievable. So you know that 703 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: you can feel that Houston Dallas thing in there, but 704 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: that happens once every four years. Colts Titans, those are 705 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: two of the biggest games every year, and it should 706 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: be the Colts. It should be the Colts. But I 707 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: just looked at the poll a few minutes ago that 708 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: Sean put out there fifty seven percent say Cowboys. I 709 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: don't know. I can't I can't get with that. I 710 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: can't get there. Well, some people are pointing out, well, 711 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: what about the Titans, because they're the former Oilers and 712 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: you should hate them. I agree, the Titans probably should 713 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 1: be the most hated team. However, you've had more success 714 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: against them. They've been bad for a long time until well, actually, 715 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: when you look at it, Mike Malarkey, they were putting 716 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: together winning seasons. They were just okay, funny because I 717 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: was watching somehow, I guess it was the NFL Twitter 718 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: account put on a WAT highlight reel for some reason, 719 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: and like eighteen of the sacks were against Zach Mettenberger 720 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: and I miss er an awful lot, I really do, Johnny. 721 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: But the Titans, it was really tough against them in 722 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: the early going when they had the late Steve McNair 723 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: and they were still coming off the vapors of the 724 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,479 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and everything, and McNair was a co MVP 725 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning. Then they dipped. Obviously, they had some 726 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: moments and bad for a long time and the early 727 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: part of the teams and now they're really good again. 728 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: But with the Colts, you are nine and thirty all time. 729 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: Let that sink in, fans. You're nine and thirty against 730 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts in your history. Now since twenty fifteen, 731 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: it's been a bit better, but just a bit. It's 732 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: five and seven in the regular season and five and 733 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: eight when you include that playoff loss, and a playoff 734 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: loss should add to the hatred. You lost to them, 735 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: and it was not good here at NRG Stadium. So 736 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: to me, that is the most hated team. I can't 737 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 1: stand them. And Johnny, you saw my tweet, I replied 738 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: to Sean with hasselbecka a diaper rosencoff. Yes, luck in 739 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: the regular season finale in twenty twelve, Manning being sixteen 740 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: and two against your team as a cult. Manning as 741 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: a cult is sixteen and two versus the Houston Texans 742 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: playoff loss. Oh my gosh, the last two games we 743 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: lost a two yard line bumbled snambling the ball in 744 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: the two yard line. Oh h yeah, it's obviously the 745 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: Colts that are the most hated team, you know, the 746 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: biggest rival. You know, does a rivalry need to have 747 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: balance to be a great rivalry. I don't know. This 748 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: does not have great balance. It's been, like I said, 749 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: a little bit better lately. You feel like, jeez, you 750 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: won all those division titles, and they were in the 751 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: division and you were starting to make some headway. But 752 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: here they are. You know, they're looking pretty good and 753 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: you got to rebound again. And I know the Titans, 754 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: for all the reasons I just said, you know, should 755 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: be a more hated natural rival. I think everyone expected 756 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: that when the franchise launched. It just didn't happen. As 757 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: far as the Jags, I don't know, you've had so 758 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: much success against them. Maybe they hate thee They probably 759 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: just hate everybody because they've had a lot of a 760 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: lack of success against all three teams in the division 761 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: over the time that the division has existed since two 762 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: thousand and two. But you mentioned five and seven in 763 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: the last twelve. If the Texans get either one of 764 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: those fumbles into the end zone, that's six and six 765 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: over the last twelve. That's the epitome of rivalry right there. 766 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: I think this division was obviously it was tough when 767 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: we got started, you know. Two we talked about that 768 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: with Manning and with McNair and Steve McNair having great 769 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: seasons back then. I just think that if it wasn't 770 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: as tough a division, you got a chance to break 771 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: through to five hundred or above five hundred a lot 772 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: sooner in your own franchise's history. But it is what 773 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: it is. It was a tough division and it never 774 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: gets its due, it seems. But just the way it is, 775 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: someone's got to win Super Bowls, and I hope it's us. Johnny, 776 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: thanks so much for being on the program tonight. As always, 777 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: Nian Mark, thank you. We're gonna watch a little practice 778 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,479 Speaker 1: this week. Later the week, we'll be talking a little 779 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: bit more about what's been going on on the practice 780 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: field during OTA's for the Houston Texans, So we look 781 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 1: forward to sharing some of that with you. And go 782 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: to the Texans app Houston Texans dot com for ticket 783 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: information on experiencing game day together and everything involving your 784 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: Houston Texans. Have a great night, everyone, and go Texans,