1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined by my 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: partner and Everything Packers, Wes Hodquids, here to wish you 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: a happy New Year from twelve sixty five Lombardi Avenue 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: and to talk about Week eighteen wes against the Minnesota Vikings. 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: But before we even really get into the Vikings, we've 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: got some roster moves to discuss, because since we last 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: sat in these chairs talking about Packers football, Packers have 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: made a number of roster moves here in Week eighteen, 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: and I'll let you take it from there, because you 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: know the ins and out. No, I mean, what I 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: mean is go ahead and start with the one you 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: think is the most significant. I was like, let me, 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: we can get the discussion started. 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: I think I saw on the social media there were 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: fifteen transactions the Packers have done this week, I think 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: is what it totaled out to be. Wow, including the 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: number of individuals that were placed at injury reserve. As 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: we learned on Wednesday, that includes Zane Anderson and Nate Hobbs, 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: both of whom suffered injuries that I think Matt Lafleur said, 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: does not anticipate them being back this season, right, never 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: say never. They did also bring back Nick Neeman designated 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: to return from injury reserve. That's number five of the 24 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: Packers eight allotments to be designated to return from injured reserve. 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: Certainly a big special teams player for green Bay before 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: his ankle injury. Desmond Ritter is in the building now. 27 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: The former draft pick of the Atlanta Falcons. He is 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: quarterback four now for green Bay. Came from that same 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two draft that produced Malik Willis. Those two 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: went through the draft process together. So we're not sure 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: exactly if it's going to be Jordan love with At 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: the time in which we're taping this is still in 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: the concussion protocol. Malik Willis says his shoulders feeling good, 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: but we don't know if he's going to play on Sunday. 35 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: It could be Clayton Tune, who was added to the 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: fifty three man roster along with three other cornerbacks at 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: the time. Oh and then by the way, on Wednesday evening, 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: the NFL transaction wire came out and the green Bay 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: Packers placed and successfully were awarded Trayvon Digs off of 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 2: waivers from the Dallas Cowboys. At the time in which 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: we're taping this, the still the medical process that has 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: to happen, the clearance process has to happen. But Michael, 43 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: if you would have ever told me, going back to 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: the beginning of August that Micah Parsons would be on 45 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: the green Bay Packers and Diggs would be on the 46 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: Packers and Kenny Clark is no longer on the Packers, 47 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: I my mind is going like a million different directions 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: right now. But I wrote an insider inbox. It is 49 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: another example, the eightieth example of the fact that roster 50 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: building is three hundred and sixty five days a year. 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: It's seven days a week, and Brian Guda Kuntz in 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: his personnel department, moves had to get made with the 53 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: amount of injuries green Bay has been hit with, and 54 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: this week was just yet another example of that. 55 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll I'll be curious to see exactly 56 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: where things go at quarterback this week, because the acquisition 57 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: of Ritter would seem to indicate that maybe they're just 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna go with Clayton Tune and have Ridder be the 59 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: backup and not to put Jordan Love or Malik Willis 60 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: in any kind of harm's way with the injuries that 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: they are coming off. But we will see how that goes. 62 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: The cornerback move with claiming Trayvon Diggs and then also 63 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: signing guys off the practice squad Bartholomew and Simpson, you 64 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: know these guys Jonathan Baldwin, an undrafted rookie from this year. 65 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: All these moves at cornerback being made really out of 66 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: necessity because as you mentioned, Nate Hobbs has gone down, 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: Cabal Haddn't has gone down. He's out for the season. 68 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: So you were down to without any of these moves 69 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: being made, you were down to effectively your number three 70 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: cornerback was going to be Bo Melton, who had just 71 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: switched to cornerback this year and has not actually played 72 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: on defense in the regular season as of yet. He 73 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: may get some of that regular season action in Minnesota 74 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: on Sunday. But now you've added Digs to the mix. 75 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: You've made these other moves with the guys on the 76 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: practice squad and elevating them and whatnot. So the Packers, 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: at least Brian Gudukuntz has done everything he can at 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: this point to, you know, at this late stage, to 79 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: reinforce a position that that was in need of reinforcements. 80 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: And you know, color me curious, I guess. I mean, 81 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: you know, Trayvon Diggs may end up being a whale 82 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: of a story here for Green Bay because if he 83 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: goes out, whether it's Chicago or Philadelphia in the wild 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: card around, I don't know if he's gonna play this 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: week or not, but if he goes out in the 86 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: playoff game and you know, makes a play, gets an 87 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: interception or something like that, and who knows, maybe leads 88 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: to you know, a Packer's victory and advancement. You know, 89 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: a guy that that you know, kind of fell into 90 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: Green Bay's lap because the Dallas Cowboys, you know, we're 91 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: moving on. You know, sometimes another one team's trash can 92 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: be another team's treasure. I mean, this is an opportunity 93 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: that really comes with no risk for the Packers, but 94 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: done out of necessity because of what's happened at that position. 95 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for an all pro like Diggs at twenty 96 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: seven years old to be on the waiver wire at 97 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: this part of a season, I was blown away when 98 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: I saw the report that Dallas was moving on. Certainly, 99 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: there were some things that played into that. You can 100 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: go back to Brian Schottenheimer talked a lot about all 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: of it. But the fact of the matter is, Mike, 102 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: as you laid it out, green Bay's cornerback situation has 103 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: been absolutely depleted. You could not have asked for a 104 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: worse situation to come out of that Baltimore game than 105 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: losing both Nate Hobbs and Kamal Hadden, who finally for 106 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: the first time appeared to be on the verge of 107 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: getting some defensive snaps at the time in which he 108 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 2: was injured. Hobbs ended up injuring his knee on what 109 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: was probably maybe his best play of the season. Yeah, 110 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: with that pass deflection he had in the end zone 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: as he was starting to ram things up again. 112 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: Yes, save to touchdown at that moment. 113 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: So green Bay's depth at that wass in a span 114 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: of maybe two quarters gets completely wiped out. So to 115 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: have a guy like Digs and bring him in in 116 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: addition to the fact that him and Micah Parsons are 117 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: very close. I mean, these guys they talked about seven 118 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: to eleven in Dallas. But it was also the bond 119 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: and the friendship they had formed off the field as well. 120 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: I mean them talking about them wanting to play together, 121 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: they want to retire together, they want to go in 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame together. A few years back, this 123 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: was something that both of those guys were seriously cut 124 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: up about. When Parsons did ultimately get traded. You saw 125 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: their embrace when those two came back together in week 126 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: four after the game in Dallas. These guys really care 127 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: about each other. So immediately Michah Parsons takes to social 128 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: media says we are back. I mean, he is excited 129 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: about it, a saluting face. I mean, we'll see what 130 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: it means past this season. But for the Green Bay 131 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: Packers and needing to make a move, this was the 132 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: time to feel that I feel to make it. And 133 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: if you look back at Brian Goodcun's tenure as GM, 134 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: how many times have you and I talked about this, 135 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: Mike not necessarily at the cornerback position, although there was 136 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: that one guy named Rasul Douglas who came in at 137 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: the stroke of midnight and within weeks was making a 138 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: big play against his former team right in helping the 139 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: Packers get a win over the Arizona Cardinals during the 140 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one season. But whether it's Jared Valdeer or 141 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: some of these other veterans they brought along late in 142 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: the season to kind of, you know, Whitney Merciless a 143 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: few years back. The Packers always keep their eyes peeled 144 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: to this sort of thing, And for Diggs I think 145 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: it's an amazing opportunity for him to show that, yeah, 146 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: I'm still the player everybody thinks I was. 147 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this I mean, this is a young man 148 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: who really came on the scene in a big way 149 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: coming out of Alabama, second round draft pick for the 150 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys pfwa al rookie, as you said, then he moves 151 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 1: on to getting All Pro honors eleven interceptions in one season, 152 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: and then a couple of years ago the injuries started 153 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: to hit and he just hasn't seemed to be able 154 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: to get his body right and and to have that 155 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: physical part of things squared away. So, as you said, 156 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: an opera ortunity for him. He's looking for a new 157 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: lease on his career, whether that's in Green Bay or 158 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: wherever it may be in twenty twenty six, and maybe 159 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: he can help the Packers here in a playoff run 160 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: in a couple weeks. 161 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 162 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I want to just mention before he turned 163 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: the page completely it to Minnesota. Before all these moves, 164 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: I thought the Packers made a really vital one as 165 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: well in claiming Jonathan Ford off waivers from Chicago. This 166 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: is a guy former seventh round pick for the Packers 167 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two. I was talking to him 168 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: about this in locker room on Wednesday. Just how coincidental 169 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: it is, because my friend Pete Dority would tell me 170 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: there's no such thing as irony, But how coincidental it 171 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: is that for three and a half years the Packers 172 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: were unusually historically durable and healthy on the defensive line 173 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: right Ford never got an opportunity just because there weren't 174 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: any spots for him there available, especially once Colby Wooden 175 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: and Carl Brooks were added into the mix. He leaves, 176 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: He goes for two seasons about a little overseason in Chicago, 177 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: plays in twelve games. He ends up being on the 178 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: outside looking in with the Bears. The Packers bring him back. 179 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 2: And I've been saying this for as long as anybody's 180 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: been willing to hear it from me. I'm a huge 181 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: Jonathan Ford fan. This guy is six foot four three 182 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: and forty pounds and he wears it. Well. Yeah, this 183 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: is a guy that is just a massive human being. 184 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: The Packers needed as much as we're talking about the secondary, 185 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: Packers needed to have some help there at the cornerback position. 186 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: They're trying to find some pieces inside right now to 187 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: help that run defense. Jordan Riley is done for the 188 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: season with that Achilles, They cut Quentin Bohannon. They need 189 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: somebody to step up. And now you've found somebody that 190 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: has experience not only in this scheme but also with 191 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: this Packers locker room. 192 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 193 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, let's talk a little bit about Minnesota, even 194 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: though this game does not impact anything as far as 195 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: the Packers playoff positioning, et cetera, et cetera. The Vikings 196 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: they've been out of the playoff chase for a while. 197 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: A month ago, this team was four and eight, their 198 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: season was basically over in terms of, you know, any 199 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: postseason hopes. But since then, a four game winning streak wes. 200 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: They are now eight and eight looking to finish the 201 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: season with a winning record under Kevin O'Connell. And this 202 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: four game winning streak has really been put together largely 203 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: on the backs of Brian Flores' defense, which I think 204 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: has always been formidable this season, but definitely went through 205 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: some ups and downs for a while there in twenty 206 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: twenty five. But this defense now seems to really be 207 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: hitting its stride. And they, I mean didn't I think 208 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: they pitched a shutout against Washington. They made life absolutely 209 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: miserable for Jared Goff and the Lions on Christmas at 210 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: US Bank Stadium. And no matter who's playing quarterback or 211 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: how the Packers are gonna divvy up reps and whatnot 212 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, at the perimeter positions, everything, whoever 213 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: takes the field for Green Bay on offense on Sunday 214 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis had better be ready to get punched in 215 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: the mouth because this Vikings defense is gonna come after them. 216 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: I absolutely love Flora's scheme. I think people always talk 217 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: about being aggressive. Oh you want to be aggressive? And 218 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: what does that mean? Just blitzing eight people every single time? 219 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: And to heck with it, whatever else happens happens. No, 220 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you watch most of that, if 221 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: not all, of that Christmas Day game like I did 222 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: against the Lions. And the way that he mixes his coverages, 223 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: the way he uses his defensive front, blitzes simulated pressures. 224 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: We talk so much about Jeff Halfley in the simulated pressures. 225 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: I think Flores has mastered that as well. He will 226 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: line up seven guys on the defensive front. The offensive 227 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: line doesn't know who's coming, and he will send linebackers 228 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: and defensive linemen, interior defensive linemen at There's no way 229 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: to figure out exactly what the system is going to 230 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: be or what the plan is going to be. It's 231 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 2: all the same to him. Eric Wilson is second right 232 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: now on the vit sacks. He's up to six and 233 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: a half sacks this year. 234 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 235 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: Their inside backers are as much a part of this 236 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: pass rush as their defensive line is, and I think 237 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: that makes them really super dangerous. In addition to having 238 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: some experienced players. 239 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a This is a defense when you 240 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: talk about when you talk about being able to disguise 241 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: what you're doing and not give away to the offense 242 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: either what kind of pressure you're in or what kind 243 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: of coverage you're in. Brian Flores and the Vikings are 244 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: they are as good and maybe this might be the 245 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: best defense in the league in terms of that one 246 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: category of disguise in terms of making things so difficult 247 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: on the offense to figure out what they're doing. I mean, 248 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: a big part of that is having veteran players. Now, 249 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: I know Josh Mattelis at safety is injured for the 250 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: Vikings and not currently playing, but Harrison Smith is still 251 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: out there. And he's spent his entire career being a 252 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: master of disguise at the safety position, whether he's lining 253 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: up on the line of scrimmage, lining up deep, lining 254 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: up like an inside linebacker. Sometimes, I mean, Harrison Smith 255 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: will line up anywhere. You never really know exactly what 256 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: he's up to. But that's just one example. And and 257 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: Brian Flores sort of takes that, you know, to the 258 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: hilt with the with the rest of it. And I 259 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of news in Minnesota right now 260 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: that you know, Flores is becoming a coaching free agent. 261 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: His contract is expiring. He's saying that he's just gonna 262 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: let his agent work with the Vikings, you know, on 263 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: the next contract. But of course there are the questions 264 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: as to whether he's going to get a head coaching job. 265 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: But there was the lawsuit from earlier when he had 266 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: failed to get a coaching job. So there's there's a 267 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: lot of stuff swirling around with regard to Floraes and 268 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: and his future. But but you know, as well as 269 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I do, Wes this, this this Vikings defense wants to 270 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: go out on the right note. And and you know 271 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: this is a Vikings team that you know, kinda left 272 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: lambeau Field with their tail between their legs a little bit. Yeah, 273 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: they first visited here because they they weren't really that 274 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: competitive against Green Bay, and uh, and I think they're 275 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: gonna want to make up for that. 276 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, specifically the defense. I mean, I think that you 277 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: knows it's on its shoulders right now, and I think 278 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: it's played a lot better in the second half. Someone 279 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: that really encapsulated as Andrew van Ginkel, who got off 280 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: to a relatively slow start, I would say to his season. 281 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 2: But if you look at this five game or four 282 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: game winning streak, he's been the guy that's been getting 283 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: going for him. I want to see he has like 284 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 2: eight quarterback hits during that sack at least a half 285 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: a sack in each of those games. I think Dallas 286 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Turner has turned out to be a nice draft pick 287 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: for them. He's made a nice second year step. You know, 288 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: there's some questions about Minnesota's drafts recently. I think Turner's 289 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: gonna ultimately be a good player for them down the line. 290 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: And Javon Hargrove, a lot of those interior defensive linemen 291 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: are guys that have been high on for so long, 292 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: are established in the National Football League. They set the tone. 293 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: But to the point a lot of people have made 294 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: this year with the Vikings is it's about the offense, yep. 295 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: And the offense has been so hit or miss this season. Now, 296 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: some of that is the injuries with JJ McCarthy, and 297 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: this week is no exception to that. They had Carson 298 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: Wentz step in for a second that you know, he 299 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: got injured. It was kind of already trending downward. But 300 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: the time he had gotten injured in terms of the 301 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: on field performance, I think he was two and three 302 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: at that point as a starter. And then Max Brosmer, 303 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: you know, the Minnesota kid had to step in. They 304 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: hitched this entire team's hopes this season to McCarthy, for 305 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: better or for worse. 306 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: YEP. 307 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: They decided he was our first round pick a year ago. 308 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: We're not gonna keep Sam Darnold, We're gonna roll with him, 309 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: And honestly, they kept the rest of the offense together 310 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: for the most part, a little bit older in a 311 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: lot of ways, but they said, we're gonna give you 312 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, We're gonna give you Jordan Addison, We're gonna 313 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: bring back Aaron Jones, TJ. Hockinson, and TJ Hockinson absolutely 314 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: who Now he's not practicing this week. I'm not sure 315 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: exactly what's happening there, but the weapons were in place 316 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: for McCarthy and it's been, you know, inconsistent, I think, 317 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: is what you would say. Whether he plays in this game, 318 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: we will see. Certainly, you don't want to do any 319 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: extra damage to that hand going into the off season. 320 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I mean, that kid probably 321 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: needs a win. He probably needs some momentum to go 322 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: into this offseason because right now, with where the Vikings 323 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: are at, you look at their season and sitting at 324 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: five hundred and you can pretty much point a direct 325 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: line to the quarterback play. 326 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as the Packers are concerned, we don't 327 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: really know at this point exactly what the plans are. 328 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur has made suggestions at the podium that the 329 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: health of the team is the priority for the playoffs, 330 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: despite the team's current three game losing streak, But there 331 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: are still, including the two quarterbacks, I believe I saw 332 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: ten essentially starters slash regulars on this team, ten guys 333 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: are still listed on the injury report. Yeah, so that's 334 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: going to be a strong consideration in terms of who 335 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: plays and who doesn't. There are gonna be other guys 336 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: that you know on snap counts where you know they 337 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: aren't going to play the entire game. They are gonna 338 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: be opportunities for some young guys to take on a 339 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: pretty significant snapload in this game, and as we talked 340 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: about on our last show, maybe show that they could 341 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: have a role in the playoffs and possibly help this 342 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: team in the postseason. So rather than ask for like 343 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: the keys to victory for Green Bay, I am going 344 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: to just toss it to you and say, you know 345 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: who are the one or two guys maybe at the 346 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: top of your list that you're wondering, Okay, if they 347 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: show something against Minnesota with with a larger opportunity than 348 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: they would normally have in a game, you know who, 349 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: do you have your eye on here. 350 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 2: Okay, so a couple of things. This one. I was 351 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: talking with Jalen Simpson in the locker room on Wednesday, 352 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: and I loved what he said about all these guys 353 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 2: that have been called up. He said, you know, these 354 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: guys that have been playing, they've been playing for seventeen 355 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 2: weeks in a row. They've been going week after week 356 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: after week. I got to play one game like I 357 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: have to bring it. I have to bring the energy 358 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: I have to bring you know, everybody's mood up. Not 359 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: that they need that, but I mean there is a 360 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 2: responsibility there. They're feeling like for these young guys on 361 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: the roster to make an impact here, it's almost like 362 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: three hundred, right. You probably never saw that movie, but 363 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you have the Spartans and oh 364 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: yeah Yeahians come in and they kind of like give 365 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: him a break for a minute. That's what this practice 366 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: squad team is like right now because they'll be relying 367 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 2: on him. But to the bigger picture, a guy I'm 368 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: really looking forward to seeing, hopefully in this game we'll 369 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: see how they divvy up snaps is Lucas Vans Because 370 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: it appears like Vanas has put the foot behind him. 371 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: He's no longer on the injury report with it. I 372 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: understand what happened against Baltimore, and I understand how things 373 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: ended against Chicago, but I thought Vanes coming back. He 374 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: doesn't have that sack yet, but I think he's bringing 375 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: a presence. I think he's bringing a mindset. I don't 376 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: know what his pressure numbers were like in that game 377 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: against Baltimore, but I think he's been able to kind 378 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: of pick up where he left off when he ended 379 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: up getting injured again Cincinnai. The only thing that stopped 380 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: that kid this year was the foot. It's unfortunate happened. 381 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: But as the Packers move into the postseason, they need 382 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: a jolt with the pass rush. They need to be 383 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: able to get home with the four man pressure. Whether 384 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 2: it's him, whether it's Rashawn kings Leyenningbari, whoever it is, 385 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: being able to kind of provide that is going to 386 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 2: be huge of them. And then also Mike whoever starts 387 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: at quarterback, it's a million dollar opportunity. If it is 388 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: Malik Willis going at quarterback, this is one more opportunity 389 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: to show what he has to offer before free agency. 390 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 2: He even said it he's like, you know, it's kind 391 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: of boring sometimes having to watch. He would like to 392 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 2: play if they allow him to. He feels like the 393 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: shoulder's doing Okay, Okay, let's say they don't play. Willis 394 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: Clayton Tune was brought in and Mike once the Packers 395 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: announced their fifty three, it felt like it was five 396 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: minutes after the final cuts went through that people were 397 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: attaching Clayton Tune to Green Bay. 398 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 399 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: Once he was released in Arizona. 400 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like the worst kept secret in Yes, 401 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: in the personnel business in the NFL. 402 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 2: The Packers really like this kid, and when he cleared 403 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: the Ravers they brought him in as QB three. It 404 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: was an unfortunate situation that happened last week that he 405 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: was thrown into. But if he gets the chance to 406 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: go out there, and I assume he probably will play 407 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: some yea, this is going to be a huge, huge 408 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: audition for him as the Packers try to find that 409 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: next QB two, assuming you know, Malik Willis gets that opportunity. 410 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: We've all been talked about now for seemingly a year. 411 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. And one other quick note as well with regard 412 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: to will as he is also listed on the injury 413 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: report with a hamstring now in addition to the throwing shoulder, 414 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: So that will be another consideration in terms of in 415 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: terms of how this weekend goes. I'm with you with 416 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: regard to looking at somebody on the defensive front. Like 417 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: you mentioned Lucas Fanness, the guy on my mind is 418 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: Brenton Cox Junior. Yes, sure, because we have seen him 419 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: now come back a long layoff. He got hurt way 420 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: back at the beginning of the season, came back in 421 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: the Chicago game, the second Chicago game, i should say, 422 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: and we saw a little something there for sure, But 423 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: we also saw, you know, once or twice where maybe 424 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, the container of Caleb Williams was lost. I mean, 425 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, he looked like a player who was just 426 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: getting back into things, was a little bit rusty. A 427 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: guy like this who a guy like this who can 428 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: potentially help the Packers in the playoffs in a limited 429 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 1: role if they want to have him out there for 430 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: like eight or ten snaps, getting the chance to play 431 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: whatever it might be, twenty five or thirty, maybe even 432 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: more snaps in a regular season game against Minnesota. This 433 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: is Brenton Cox Junior's chance to really get like his 434 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: legs under him again and then and then to carry 435 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: that into that part time role that you know, that 436 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: that pass rushing specialist type of type of role. As 437 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: you said, the pass rush needs needs to find some 438 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: juice here in the in the post Micah Parsons era, 439 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: So that would be the guy that I have my 440 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: eye on. I want to ask you a few other 441 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: things with regard to playoff implications here in week eighteen, 442 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: but we do need to pay some bills first, So 443 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: let's hear a quick word from our sponsors. Serious XM 444 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the 445 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: minute NFL news that true football fanatics need. Twenty four 446 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: to seven, three sixty five. 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Learn more about all the wonders of 456 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: Wisconsin at Travel Wisconsin dot com slash Wonders. Welcome back 457 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted. All right, Wes. So, Green Bay is 458 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: waiting to find out if it is headed to Chicago 459 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: or Philadelphia for the wild Card Round. The Packers will 460 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: play at noon on Sunday. They won't know their opponent 461 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: until the three to twenty five games wrap up because 462 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: the Bears are taking on the Lions. The Eagles, who 463 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: have basically said they're going to rest their starters, are 464 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: playing the Commanders. If the Bears win or if the 465 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: Eagles lose, the Packers will be going to Chicago. If 466 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: the Bears lose and the Eagles win, then the Packers 467 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: will be going to Philadelphia. You got a prediction? What 468 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: do you think is gonna happen here? 469 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: Pain kidding? What is that from Rocky Tum Rocky three? Yeah? 470 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: That was club or Lang, nicely done. 471 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: So here is the thing that I think is most funny. 472 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: We have talked so much about this rubber match with 473 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: the Bears, even when the Packers beat them the first time. 474 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: It was kind of lining up like two and seven, 475 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: two and seven, as far as that. 476 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: Seeds, whichever way it was gonna go. 477 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels like the rug is gonna get 478 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: pulled out from underneath of us, and next thing you know, 479 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: you and I are gonna be back at the link, 480 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: just like we were at the beginning of twenty twenty 481 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and the Packers are playing the Eagles. 482 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: I think the Eagles beating the Commanders. To me, not 483 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: to say anything can happen to me, that's a foregone conclusion. 484 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: Even if they're resting their starters. 485 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: Even if the rest of their starters. 486 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 3: If you watched the if you watch them, commanders know, 487 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: just clarifying, just clarify, Yes, the Commanders are struggling. 488 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: Is Josh Johnson still starting? Yeah? I think okay, just. 489 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: He started on Christmas against the Cowboys. 490 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: Yes, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. But 491 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: that being said, I think this is going to be 492 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions Super Bowl. It might be Dan Campbell, 493 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: those coaches, everybody has something to prove in this game. 494 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: They have to prove that we were a winning team 495 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: this season that was extremely inconsistent, and fifteen and two 496 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: did not happen. But we are much better than nine 497 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: and eight or eight and nine would suggest, So I'm 498 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: really interested. We won't be able to watch it, but 499 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see the result of that and 500 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: the course that Detroit takes. Me personally, if you leave 501 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: it up to me, I would rather go to Chicago one. 502 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: I think from the Packers' perspective, it's a less taxing trip. 503 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: It's a little puddle jump down, you know, forty minute 504 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: flight down to Chicago. Packers know that routine every single 505 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: year they've played there. I think it's good for the division. 506 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: I think it's good for the history of the rivalry. 507 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 2: Only would be only the third playoff game between those teams. 508 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: I think the narratives would would be there with Ben 509 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: Johnson in that. But yeah, I mean I said it 510 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: earlier this week. It's it's a horse apiece. I really 511 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: don't care. 512 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: But you just want to go to Jordano's Pizza again? 513 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, why not. Let's have to get on the 514 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: treadmill a little bit longer. 515 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 3: All right? 516 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: San Francisco taking on Seattle Saturday night. That is for 517 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: the number one seed and the first round by in 518 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: the NFC, along with of course the NFC West Division Championship. 519 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: Who do you think wins this one? 520 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 2: San Francisco. 521 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, San Francisco, That's what I think too. 522 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: Save this video. But I think San Francisco runs through them. 523 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: I do because I think Seattle this is a really 524 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: bad matchup for them. I don't know if offensively they're 525 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: gonna be able to push the pace the way that 526 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: Chicago did again San Francisco. I mean, there's the forty 527 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: nine Ers defense is not the traditional forty nine ers defense. 528 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: They're praying they can get Fred warnerback. You know, they're 529 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: giving up yards in production. But offensively, man Rock Purty 530 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: since he came back from the turf toe has been 531 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 2: dialed in. Christian McCaffrey is healthy again, and everything seems 532 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: to be flowing. If great. You know, George Kittle is 533 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: back for this. That's just one more weapon for Party 534 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 2: in this offense. So Seattle is I respect him. They're 535 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: an awesome thirteen win team. I think that defense is 536 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: gonna be a real test for San Francisco. But right now, 537 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: where I sit in this chair, San Francisco now appears 538 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: to me to be the best team in the NFC. 539 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, these next this game and potentially next week depending 540 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: on how it falls. It's sort of it's it's turning 541 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: into the ultimate prove it ground for Sam Darnold, right, 542 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: because he was in this exact same position last year 543 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: as the quarterback of the Vikings, going on the road 544 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: in Week eighteen with a chance to get the number 545 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: one seed or the other result is to get the 546 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: five seed and go on the road in the playoffs. 547 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: Sam Donald did not play well. The Vikings lost to 548 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: the Lions, they dropped to the five seed. They went 549 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: on the road in the first round of the playoffs 550 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: and lost again, with Donald having another poor performance, ending 551 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: what was a fantastic season for him last year with 552 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: two duds. Quite frankly, he's in the exact same position 553 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: again where the one versus five seed is on the line. 554 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: He has to do it on the road against a 555 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: division rival with his new team now. The only caution 556 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: I have with regard to the forty nine Ers because 557 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: I'm with you and I do think the forty nine 558 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: Ers win this game at home. But the forty nine 559 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: Ers defense showed a lot of vulnerability last week against 560 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, and if Sam Donald gets things rolling 561 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: and doesn't fall into kind of that rough outing at 562 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: the end of the year that he had last year, 563 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: if he gets things rolling against the Niners defense, which 564 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: has been trying to hold together without Nick Bosa, without 565 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: Fred Warner, you know, I think, uh, I think the 566 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: Seahawks and Darnold are going to give them a game, 567 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: But I would still I would still lean towards San Francisco, 568 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: NFC South Carolina, Tampa Bay. How do you think this 569 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: one falls? 570 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think New Orleans. I think I'll 571 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: take the Falcons that Tyler shuck. Let me put it 572 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: this way, Tampa Bay is in a tail spin, so 573 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: I would favor the Panthers. 574 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah. 575 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: Oh, and then there's that weird thing that could happen 576 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 2: where Tampa Bay could actually win this and still not. 577 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: And then still not get in because they because if 578 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: that happens, if Tampa Bay wins, they would need the 579 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: Falcons to lose so that there isn't a three way 580 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: tie for the division title. Would propel would propel Carolina? 581 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: They have the tie breaker. It's it's funny how that works. 582 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: Carolina would not have the tie breaker in a two 583 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: way tie with Tampa Bay, but they would have the 584 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: tie breaker in a three way tie if Atlanta is 585 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: also in that mix at at eight and nine. So 586 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: I yet, I honestly don't know. I have no idea 587 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: who's gonna win this game because I haven't been able 588 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: to figure out the NFC South all season. 589 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: Since you started covering football professionally, can you ever think 590 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: of a situation in which a division this title is 591 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: gonna come down to Carolina on Tampa But the two 592 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: teams that are out of the race are the most 593 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: the hottest teams. 594 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the in the in that same division. Yeah, 595 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: It's it's bizarre. I can't I mean, I can't remember 596 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: why you got to play them all. 597 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: But I mean, like, yeah, right, I mean, because I'm saying, like, 598 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: if Atlanta would sneak in, like they can't, but let's 599 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: say they snuck in, I would be a little bit 600 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: nervous about facing the Falcons right now, with Kirk Cousins, 601 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 3: with the way Beijon's running the ball right. 602 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: And going into that indoor dome down in Atlanta where 603 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: things can get kind of loud and all that. I mean, yeah, 604 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: there's you know. 605 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: Is anybody nervous about going to Tampa right now? 606 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: Nah? You know, and everybody from north of the Mason 607 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: Dixon line would be looking forward to going to going 608 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: to Tampa for the warmth the way this early winter 609 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: has gone around here. 610 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I think I think Carolina Carolina 611 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: is a. 612 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Where is the game Sunday or in Tampa Bay? It's 613 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: in Tampa, Okay. I wasn't sure who was who is 614 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: because they just played two weeks ago in Carolina, and yeah, 615 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: Carolina won that one. So one more I'll throw at you. 616 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Of course. It's Sunday Night Football. It's Aaron Rodgers the 617 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers against the Baltimore Ravens. The Ravens stayed alive 618 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: for the AFC North title against the Packers and then 619 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh failed to close out the division title by losing 620 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: to the Browns only putting up six points. So this 621 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: is a division championship winner is in loser goes home 622 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: game on Sunday Night Football, the last game of the 623 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: regular season. Raven Steelers. Who you got? 624 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: I think the Steelers season ended after that situation with 625 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: DK metcalf and at Ford Field. I do. I just 626 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: I don't think they have the offensive firepower if TJ. 627 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: Watts not back. Defensively, this defense has been kind of 628 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: a seed at times this season. Lamar Jackson is practicing, 629 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: Derrick Henry is Dereck Henry, and Baltimore's defense, for all 630 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: of its flaws, they can defend the run pretty well, 631 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: so I don't know if Pittsburgh is going to be 632 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: able to set that thing up well enough with gain 633 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: Well and everything and Warren to be able to keep 634 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: them honest. I as much as there's a part of 635 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: me that is, hey twelve, let's do this one more time, 636 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: I'd love to see him in the playoffs and see 637 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 2: what he could do with Pittsburgh. That was not an 638 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: encouraging performance last week against Cleveland. 639 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: I think I think Baltimore. I think Baltimore got the 640 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: reprieve it needed. They came into Lambeufield and played a 641 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: great game, and then they got the reprieve with Pittsburgh 642 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: not being able to close out the division title. I 643 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: think Baltimore. I think Baltimore wins this and as long 644 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: as Lamar Jackson stays healthy, Baltimore could be a dangerous 645 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: team in the AFC. Playoffs and AFC playoffs, much like 646 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: the NFC playoffs, which we'll talk more about next week, 647 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: just feels like it's wide open. I mean, tell me 648 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 1: who anybody, If anybody feels like an overwhelming favorite. I 649 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: don't see it in either conference quite frankly. And I 650 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: think Baltimore could be as dangerous, dangerous as anybody if 651 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: the Ravens get in. 652 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Baltimore, they didn't. Lamar didn't have He wasn't gone 653 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: for like seven weeks like Aaron Rodgers was, but there's 654 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: just something about him. It feels like that twenty thirteen 655 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: Packers team where it's just they stayed alive long enough. 656 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: Yeah that okay, let's see what we can do now. 657 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: But it Yeah, kudos to Tyler Hunty. And I'll say 658 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: this again, the Packers need to play better against Baltimore. 659 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: There's no question about that. No one's debating that. Yeah, 660 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: but the Ravens played. In addition to playing impassioned football 661 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: at Labefield, they played pretty free, like it was like, 662 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: you know what, we're just gonna go see what happens 663 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: and then we'll see if Cleveland can do something crazy. 664 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 2: And they did. So here you are, yeah, here we 665 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: are all right. 666 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: Well with that, we'll call it a rap on this 667 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: happy New Year edition of Packers Unscript. Wo'd be sure 668 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team and 669 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: everything from Sunday's game at US Bank Stadium against the Vikings. 670 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: We'll have it all for you on Packers dot com 671 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: for West, I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. 672 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.