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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to hour and number two of the Drive

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Speaker 2: here on Steelers Nation Radio. And uh, well as we

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Speaker 2: do at the top of hour number two here during

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Speaker 2: the season, some of the preseasons. Well, it's time for

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Speaker 2: the Fantasy Football Focus, Matt, and it is a Thursday,

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Speaker 2: so let's take a look here around the league at

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Speaker 2: who's practicing and who is not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people in their Super Bowl waited

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Speaker 3: with bated breath here to see who's gonna play who's not.

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Speaker 3: You know, you got a lot of big time stress

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Speaker 3: from if you're one of those remaining teams.

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Speaker 2: Do our best to help some One of the great

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Speaker 2: things about DFS too, is it you just not doing right?

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Speaker 4: You just play?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. See why it's so popular. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ezekiel Elliott, with an illness, did not practice THEIRS.

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Speaker 2: That is significant because ramand j Stevenson, Yeah, is out.

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Speaker 3: For the year, and Zeke's been pretty useful going back

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Speaker 3: to Steeler game a little before. I mean, he's impressed

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Speaker 3: me more than I expect them to be.

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Speaker 4: Catching the ball. Yeah, you're not gonna wow you with anything,

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Speaker 4: but he's a professional. He catches the ball well.

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Speaker 2: Also for the Patriots, Juju smith Schuster with an ankle,

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Speaker 2: did not practice on third time.

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Speaker 3: He's not super relevant, but you probably would need Zeke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, well, I mean, so you need all the

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Speaker 3: you were on the offensive guys out there possible to

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Speaker 3: get some first downs.

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Speaker 4: All.

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Speaker 2: If Juju doesn't play, they're looking at playing Jalen Rager.

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Speaker 4: Wow. I mean that's a rough roup group receiver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right against Buffalo in Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: Good luck with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Rico dal Dell for the Cowboys out for Week seventeen

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Speaker 3: So if you're a Pollard fan, you maybe kind of

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Speaker 3: got a break here. Yeah. I mean, no one's out

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Speaker 3: there thinking they're gonna start doubt all but Pollard all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden might get spike and workload. That'd be

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Speaker 3: great for the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys also waived Malik Davis, who had been their

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Speaker 2: number three, so it looks like Deuce Vaughan would step

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Speaker 3: It'd be kind of a sneaky DFS super cheap guy,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe he catches five.

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Speaker 4: They'll figure out a couple of ways to get him

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Speaker 3: It could be a high scoring game.

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Speaker 2: Chargers wide receiver Josh Palmer concussion did not practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: That does not bode well for him, no or anything

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Speaker 4: about their offense. Yeah, same thing.

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Speaker 2: Keenan Allen with that heel injury did not practice their

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Speaker 2: I think he plays again. Yeah, I think they're both.

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Speaker 2: Wonder if you're playing either one of them the rest

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Speaker 3: Yes, maybe Palmer. I don't think Allen plays again this year.

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Speaker 2: Chiefs wide receiver Kadarius Tony with the hip injury did

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Speaker 3: Doesn't change much. I mean you're starting Rice either way.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Tony being out hurts or helps Rice

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Speaker 4: So the Chiefs last week placed.

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Speaker 2: One running back on IR is it McKinnon? McKinnon when

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Speaker 2: not practice. Neither did Isaiah Pacheck, who has a concussion

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Speaker 2: slash shoulder. Wow, the shoulder we knew about the concussion

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Speaker 3: Okay, I would say Ceh was kind of a sneaky

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Speaker 3: could get a bigger workload than ever. Whether he's good

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Speaker 4: I thought it came a little bit of a spark

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he doesn't have a lot of wear

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Speaker 4: Not as early in the week as I mean Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Would you fire him up?

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Speaker 3: Probably? I mean, I know, the whole week after concussion

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Speaker 4: Twelve probably, you know.

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Speaker 2: Jalm Waddle news here, Yeah, Adam Schefter reporting that Jalen

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Speaker 2: Waddle with that ankle injury, not expected to play in

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Speaker 2: Week seventeen against the Ravens.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 3: Because high ankle sprain from a week ago.

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Speaker 3: The wildcard round, right, you know, right, and so we

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Speaker 3: are rooting for the Ravens and that's a big help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's that's you know. Now you just have

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Speaker 2: to focus on Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 3: Good luck. He's still going to do good things, and

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Speaker 3: you put Tyrek in your lineup, but having Wattle out

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Speaker 3: there makes it much more difficult. Do you start two

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Speaker 3: I probably start like a Stafford over those guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think, I guess, especially against Baltimore

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Speaker 4: I know, I'm not super excited about starting Tua.

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Speaker 3: You could tell me Miami ends up with thirteen points,

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Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, Tyreek has eight catches for ninety five

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Speaker 4: Know, eight for sixty nine or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Uh. Cole Comet with a knee did not practice.

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Speaker 2: Cole Comett not practicing again on Thursday with that knee injury.

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Speaker 2: That's not boting well for him. And he's he's a

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Speaker 3: And you got to think big picture of Bears world.

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Speaker 3: Do I really need to rush him back? I just

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Speaker 2: Ravens wide receiver Zay Flowers, with a calf injury, did

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Speaker 3: I think he's clearly their best guy at the receiver

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Speaker 2: I wonder how Miami deploys the cornerbacks against the road.

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Speaker 3: They're a heavy zone team, and I don't think they'd

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Speaker 3: I don't know that your game plan all that crazy

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Speaker 3: Let's kind of play it kind of straight up.

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Speaker 2: Panthers running back Chewba Hubbard with a hamstring did not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jackson was hard to run against, but they're also

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Speaker 3: kind of bad right now. He should be able to

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Speaker 2: I mean, Miles Sanders is I guess it's a guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's in the line to get twenty touches and not bad.

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Speaker 2: He might break one, might be worth considered for DFS too.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's cheap.

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase with the shoulder injury, practiced on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: At last I saw he was limited or you know,

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Speaker 2: The first practice for Chase after suffering that shoulder injury.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, even without Burrow, they threw him the

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Speaker 3: ball a ton often short, but he's super star.

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Speaker 4: The UH Packers wide receiver situation, No.

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Speaker 2: Christian Watson again today, He's not gonna don Tavian Wicks

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Speaker 3: Not practice on been a pleasant surprise. I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: what Dobbs' situation is either. Yeah, it could be Jaden

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Speaker 3: Reid and he's fighting something too. I do think Musgrave

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Speaker 4: Well, and the thing is they play Minnesota this week.

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Speaker 3: Yes, who has By the way, they're changing their quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that was going next here, Okay, but yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean I don't know what to expect in that game.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not much. I mean, if green Bay doesn't any weapons,

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Speaker 3: Minnesota does any quarterbacks. The green Bay's defense is horrendous. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Jefferson, of course you play, but no Hawkinson.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what Addison the situation is. Maybe his

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Speaker 3: name will come up here. Boy, what a messy game

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Speaker 3: is actually pretty serious playoff inflications.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if the winner of that game, if the Steelers

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Speaker 2: happened to beat the Seahawks, jumps into the seventh spot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the loser I would think is close to out.

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Speaker 2: Potentially. Yeah, okay, but yeah, so you mentioned Jaron Hall.

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Speaker 2: Looks like that's who the Vikings will start at quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: We got to see him for about I don't know,

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Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty snaps earlier this year, and then he.

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Speaker 3: Got hurt, right, that's when they traded for Dobbs. But

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Speaker 3: he's been healthy and they've chose not to give him

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Speaker 3: the opportunity. But these other two guys has turned it

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Speaker 3: all over so much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you just can't do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a hell frustrating with that pick. That's not

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Speaker 3: the same as like the Steelers quarterback rotations. This is

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Speaker 3: just hey, we like give you a try and they

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Speaker 3: just turn it insane amount. Yeah, every one of them.

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman with the concussion practiced him full on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he is. Yeah, that's huge for them.

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt him. Devin h Chan with a toe injury,

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Speaker 3: As I didn't even know anything wrong with them, as.

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Speaker 2: Did Tyreek Hill with the ankle injury. Okay, so they

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Speaker 3: We just talked about they might not score a ton,

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Speaker 3: going to be the ones getting game planned for.

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Speaker 2: The Browns elevated place kicker Riley Patterson to their active roster.

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Speaker 4: He'll kick tonight for them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Tom Pellasaro reports that Amari Cooper with that heel,

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't, you'll find out about an hour and

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Speaker 3: I don't either. But he just went for two hundred

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean that's gonna be a Mariy

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Speaker 4: I get it. But man, I Joe likes him. I

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Speaker 4: go to like Elijah Moore. No, no, yeah, let's talk

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Speaker 4: about that. Who who do you?

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Speaker 4: Do you want to play?

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Speaker 3: Both defenses I think are glorious, especially the Browns. I

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Speaker 2: The Jets have not given up a three hundred third

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Speaker 4: How many interceptions is he going to throw?

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Speaker 4: That's part of the.

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Speaker 2: Problem though, Yeah, right, because you can't really throw the

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: like they've they've played out, They've played some pretty good quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: So who are you besides defenses? Who are you comfortable

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Speaker 4: I think you fire Bresaw.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean his workload last week was awesome.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm super interested in playing Wilson's

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Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, Yeah so so. I mean their corners are

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Speaker 3: show you a team I'm dealing with on at the break,

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Speaker 3: but I have all kinds of lineup decisions tonight. It's

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious this game. Could regret putting some

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Speaker 4: Your point, you know a couple other big games putting

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Speaker 4: forward in No, I don't either know. A couple other

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Speaker 4: big injuries in that Miami Baltimore game.

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Speaker 2: The Miami Herald's Daniel wayofsi Wa Fusey reports that Raheem Moster,

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Speaker 2: with ankle and knee injuries, is expected to be active

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Speaker 3: Well, that would make me much more excited about a chan. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's almost like the Najoku conversation. A chan

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Speaker 3: in Tyree could touch the ball a million times, even

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Speaker 3: if you don't score a lot of points. That's fun

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Speaker 3: because they're unbelievably expled. But he's starting most or if

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Speaker 3: he's a true game time decision in Baltimore, in Baltimore

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Speaker 3: don't love it. I don't love it at all. And

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Speaker 3: he's got a million touchdowns, He's had a tremendous year.

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Speaker 3: He's a big reason why you're even still you know,

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Speaker 2: Also, Tua with a thumb and quad injuries. It's his

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Speaker 4: I thought they said it was just I think off hand.

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Speaker 4: I just assumed left anyway. Yeah, uh, remain limited today,

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Speaker 3: Do you get might lose by like twenty yeah in Baltimore, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Crazily enough, I've seen people picking, like national people picking

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Speaker 2: Miami to win. Well, the Ravens just had a big game.

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Speaker 2: They came cross country and they get to play with Miami.

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Speaker 2: Talking about Miami like Miami is a really good team

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Speaker 4: They snuck out a win against.

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Speaker 2: Dallas, who plays horrible on the road, and they snuck

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Speaker 3: Or Baltimore is a really good team.

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Speaker 4: Baltimore will beat them up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Miami is a finesse team and Baltimore is most

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Speaker 2: decidedly not a finess team.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like Miami's defenses are saving grace at this point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they could probably keep it close, but man,

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Speaker 3: the offense isn't creating explosives, I don't see them doing

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Speaker 3: I mean their own lines all bind up too. That

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Speaker 4: I don't know that it will be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, at one final thing.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens could quote let down or they could be like,

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Speaker 3: we wiped the floor of these guys, then we can

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Speaker 3: really let down in the act for a while, you know,

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Speaker 3: and good and earned it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've earned it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One last thing here. Courtland Sutton with the concussion, did

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Speaker 4: This f a ton of touchdowns. He's had a really

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Speaker 4: good year. New quarterback, new quarterback. He's probably not gonna play.

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Speaker 3: Probably not gonna play. Yeah, I don't think that I

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Speaker 3: see this week. Oh man. I mean I'm only in

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Speaker 3: in all my leagues. I'm only in one super Bowl

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Speaker 3: and I have a pretty good team. But man, there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be some tough, biting nails people right now. And

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Speaker 3: it always gets like this. One thing I don't love

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Speaker 3: sutting it down, so he's just not gonna play, or

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Speaker 3: you know, like he and AWE could be out there

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Speaker 3: that doesn't help me.

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Speaker 2: And at this point, folks, if despite everything else, unless

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Speaker 4: A keeper league, caught them all if they're not playing, caught.

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Speaker 3: Them Oh yeah, yeah, I mean there's no reason to

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Speaker 3: keep Rosster space. Yeah, you know anything. Yeah, and play

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Speaker 3: defense and all that stuffy.

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Speaker 2: And block your you know, block your opponent from picking

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Speaker 2: going to play the guy and you don't fear playing

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Speaker 2: against him, but you can use him that, you know,

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Speaker 2: you pick somebody else up and use that and cut

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess that's more true previous weeks when

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Speaker 4: You know exactly what your opponent needs exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't leave somebody out in the waiver wire

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Speaker 4: Eve, if you don't intend on playing a quarterback and

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Speaker 3: Available if he's starting O Connor or Donnell or something crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, definitely play defense. That's a dirty pool.

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Speaker 4: With that, No, that's that's just playing the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that's a crazy week.

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Speaker 2: He really is Yeah, I don't have a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of interest in starting anybody from tonight's game.

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Speaker 3: No, the league I'm in. I have the Browns defense. Cool,

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Speaker 3: you know, fire that up. But I also have Wilson.

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Speaker 3: I also have Nadjoku, and I have got some thought.

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Speaker 3: I got some tough decisions to make.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess in Djoku would be the one guy

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Speaker 4: that Yeah, he's pretty safe and targets Yeah, and Brice

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Speaker 4: Hall just because of volume.

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Speaker 3: For both of them.

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Speaker 4: And he'll catch the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, gamescript won't necessarily matter. We're gonna get to a break.

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Speaker 2: a modern era finalists for the twenty twenty four class.

444
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Speaker 2: Here two guys are our first time eligibles, Antonio Gates

445
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 2: and Julius Peppers.

446
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,399
Speaker 4: They probably make it.

447
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,080
Speaker 3: I have a think so. I think Gates has a

448
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 3: very strong case. I think Peppers is pretty close to

449
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,679
Speaker 3: a slam donk. I would put either one like at

450
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,159
Speaker 3: the Paula Malou level of you know, first timers in

451
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 3: recent memory, but not far off. This guy is a

452
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:34,479
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame guy.

453
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 2: Two guys who didn't make the cut to fifteen were

454
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 2: Heinz Ward and James Harrison.

455
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise me. I mean, we've made cases for both,

456
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,400
Speaker 3: You've laid it out really well for both of them,

457
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,359
Speaker 3: but it's pretty difficult to advance, you know, and rushers

458
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 3: a ton of good receivers.

459
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 2: Again when I to me that the problem, the big

460
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 2: problem that I have with Ward is that he can't

461
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 2: make it into the room to even be discussed.

462
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you'd really like to. You'd love to

463
00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 3: be his lawyer, you know what I mean?

464
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to. I'd like to make that case.

465
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,200
Speaker 2: And if you can't get to the final fifteen, nobody

466
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 2: ever gets to make the case.

467
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I understand that there's a

468
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 3: time and human element to it, but maybe it'd be

469
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 3: nice if someone like you or whoever could write give

470
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 3: me a thousand words why he should get in that

471
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 3: room or you know, something like that, as opposed to

472
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 3: just I don't see it. Move on, you know.

473
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 2: So here are the finalists. The other finalists in addition

474
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 2: to fifteen, Yeah, in addition to Gates and Pepper's.

475
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 4: Eric Allen.

476
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 3: I don't see that.

477
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 4: No, I don't either.

478
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think he would have been an

479
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 3: easy elimination.

480
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 4: Jared Allen.

481
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 3: I do get that.

482
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 4: Willie Anderson is a finalist for the third five time.

483
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: He's another one. I could see Ward having a similar

484
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: path to him, I mean just.

485
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: Years.

486
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see him as a Hall of Famer,

487
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 3: but a really good player.

488
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 4: Jerry Evans.

489
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: Okay, good knock, I mean good guard, but yeah, I

490
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 3: mean it's I don't think he's an all time great.

491
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 4: Dwight Freeney.

492
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 3: Would you vote if you could only vote for Freenie

493
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 3: or Allan? Who would you take?

494
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 4: Alan?

495
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 3: Jared Allen? Good close, but I had no problem with

496
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 3: either one being in. Both would be behind Peppers.

497
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 2: Uh, Antonio Gates I mentioned, Yeah, then you got.

498
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 4: Rodney Harrison, Okay.

499
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 3: And I I have a kind of a problem with

500
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: some of the safeties that have gotten in the last

501
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 3: five years two I mean like Ed Reed and Paula Maler, Yes,

502
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 3: Lynch and at Water and there was another one recently.

503
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 3: I'm okay with Dawkins, but this dude, they're they're fine,

504
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 3: but they're not game changers. Yeah, I mean, quarterback doesn't

505
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 3: come to last scrimmage like, oh my god, where's that

506
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 3: guy at you know, I mean, at any point in

507
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 3: their career, Devin Hester, I'm fine with them getting in.

508
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 3: Make is this has he been in before or has

509
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 3: he gotten to this point before? Yeah? Yeah, he wouldn't

510
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 3: get my vote.

511
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 4: He got he had the discussion last year on Devin.

512
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not changing anybody's mind about a punt returner

513
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: slash kick returner making it to the Hall of Fame

514
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: making it.

515
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: That's a good way to put it.

516
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 4: Why not put somebody else in there and at least

517
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 4: allow the discussion.

518
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good way to put it, because you've

519
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 3: been in that room.

520
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: And unless he was so close last year that it

521
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: you know, h But I don't. I don't see that there.

522
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: There are certain voters that just aren't going to vote

523
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: for specialists.

524
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 3: Right, and his case hasn't changed, Or you can't be like, well,

525
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 3: a kick returner got in yesterday last wee year, just

526
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: like him, and you know, or we're starting to run

527
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 3: the receivers and he's up next. Yeah, I see what

528
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 3: you're saying. It doesn't shock me he's in or he's

529
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: you know, in this level. But what's changed?

530
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tory Holt, Fine, I mean, this is like the

531
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 4: eighth year in a row he's made the.

532
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

533
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 4: Andre Johnson, I.

534
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: Think he's the best of the receiver options.

535
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 4: Julius Pepper's man, and Fred Taylor's the finalist this year.

536
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: Is that new for him?

537
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: Yeah? I believe so.

538
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 3: He's probably another one if the right person presents him,

539
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 3: I could see a really strong case. I don't think

540
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: he'll get in.

541
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. Reggie Wayne another one who's been discussing c Smith

542
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 4: and all these guys are to me, the Holton Wayne

543
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 4: were the number two receivers on their teams, especially in Indie.

544
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 4: Threw the ball constantly, right, I mean, the best passing

545
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 4: games in the league. They were compilers more than anything.

546
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: Like I think Marvin's easy. You know, the four receivers

547
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: from those two teams. I really thought Bruce and Holt

548
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: were about the same. And I'm sure that's part of

549
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: it is people are like, well, if you put Bruce in,

550
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: why can't put hold of it? And okay, yeah sort of,

551
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: but would they both Like That's why I liked to

552
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: what Andre Johnson. I mean, he was the guy. Yeah,

553
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 3: I mean, and I think Marvin's the guy. Yeah.

554
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: When we went through those a couple of weeks when

555
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: I wrote my piece a couple of weeks ago, and

556
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: on the Hinz War Award, more touchdowns, more super Bowls,

557
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: he won a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, just more catches

558
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: than all of them.

559
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye, I mean better blocker than all of them.

560
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 4: For more do you want?

561
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know.

562
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: Anyways. Patrick Willis who I think should have been in

563
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: long ago.

564
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand. I know, boy, he doesn't have

565
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: great longevity, but that's gonna be common for these guys.

566
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 3: I mean, how many linebackers are going to play twelve, thirteen,

567
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 3: fourteen years anymore? I mean Keickley didn't either. I think

568
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: Kickley's in already writers noeh next year he's not in you, okay?

569
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 3: And then Darren Woodson, that's another safety. It's like he's

570
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 3: a good player, but does he change games even on

571
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: his best days? I don't think.

572
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean I do think

573
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: Gates and Pepper's go.

574
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: And then I don't even know who my third choice

575
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: is on that list. I'm pretty partial to Andre Johnson,

576
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: but I would bet that he doesn't get in.

577
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: I would vote will Us.

578
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: I'd vote Willis the d rushers are fine, the wide

579
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 3: receivers are fine. I don't love the safeties. I don't

580
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: love the running backs. There's no quarterbacks on the list.

581
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 3: None of the offensive lineman blew my doors off. It's

582
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 3: kind of a weak class. Yeah, I mean, there's no

583
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: no brainers. With all respect to Peppers and Gates, they're

584
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 3: not Peyton Manning when he's up well.

585
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: And the thing is, you start looking at, you know,

586
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: next year's ballot, and you start to get into some

587
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: of the guys.

588
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 3: I guess it's not long before some of the legends

589
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: are coming up there.

590
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: You mentioned Marshall Yondaz.

591
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, guy like he's got better case than Jarry Evans. Yeah.

592
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 4: I mean I think so too.

593
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: I would think Heikley should go in first ballot, but

594
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if everyone wilse see it that way.

595
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 4: Earl Thomas, I don't. I don't think so.

596
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: The end of Earl Thomas's stint was bad taste in

597
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: your mouth.

598
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 2: Adam Vinettieri's going to get a lot of push. I

599
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think he belongs in the Hall

600
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: of Fame.

601
00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: I don't either.

602
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: Joe Staley, Okay, yeah, Marshawn Lynch he'll get He'll get

603
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: some good year to come out.

604
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Eli Manning, I think he.

605
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: Gets in, but I would not jump up and down

606
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: for him.

607
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 4: That'll be a That'll be a fight.

608
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be a fight.

609
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 4: Um, just looking here at the guys.

610
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: Who Eli will get to this level a year from now,

611
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: Terrell Suggs where Yeah with like Sugs versus Allen and Freeney.

612
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 2: Sug is a defensive Player of the Year and won

613
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: some Super Bowls. I have no problem with.

614
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: Suggs better versus running those guys. I know that's a

615
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: hard thing to quantify, but he was.

616
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm just looking here some of the other guys. De uh,

617
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: Travis Frederick is up next year.

618
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: I don't think he's got a chance.

619
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a chance. There was a time there

620
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 4: all the future.

621
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: That's the thing that all sue too often, you hear, Yeah,

622
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: you know, here's a future Hall of Famer based on.

623
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Speaker 3: What your opinion like, if you want to tell me

624
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 3: Kelsey with the Eagles of future Hall of Famer. Yes,

625
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: his body of work is done. At no point was

626
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: Frederick's body of work good enough that he could quit

627
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: that day and just be done. Because unfortunately he had cancer.

628
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: I think I know he'd.

629
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 4: Some sort of disease or something there.

630
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and unfortunately that could happen anyone and throil

631
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: your career. He didn't have enough. He was on that pace.

632
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: But that's a lot different than actually doing it.

633
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: Marius Thomas is up there. I mean, it's not a

634
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: it's not a great group. Not a great group.

635
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not now you know, say, is that

636
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: the Manning.

637
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 4: That's when you start to get into Manning and Bend's not.

638
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: Far off, Brady's not that far off all of a sudden. Yeah, yeah,

639
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: that generation rivers at least will be a conversation. Yeah,

640
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan's a couple of years out still. I mean,

641
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: just to the quarterbacks, yeah, that's there's not that many,

642
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: no brainer. I don't know if there's any no brainers

643
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: in that group.

644
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: I think probably he's for me.

645
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: I won't see it that way. I mean, I think

646
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 3: he's as good a linebacker. Him and Willis are pretty similar.

647
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: Would it tick you off if Marshall Yawn that comes

648
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: up next year and goes immediately into the Hall of

649
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: Fame when guys like Hutchinson and Fanica had to wait.

650
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: Yes, but a lot of it is you know better

651
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 3: than anyone.

652
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: It is just timing. Yeah, I mean all about timing.

653
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: Hutchinson, Hurtanic Fanica, Hurd, Hutchinson.

654
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: They all both have from Hawaii, right right, right.

655
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure there's anyone in Yonder's way right now.

656
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: So as interior line goes, he's got a pretty nice path,

657
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: which is just lucked. I hang it up.

658
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 4: What could happen?

659
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: And this is something that you know again has openly

660
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: talked about. Maybe they take care of the wide receiver

661
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: log Jim a little bit here in the.

662
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: Next two years.

663
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: But I hope doesn't happen, because there's not a wide

664
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: receiver da Marius Thomas.

665
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: Is the best wide receiver that's added to the list next.

666
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: Year, and good as he's behind the worlds and right yeah,

667
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: I mean even the guys that Steve Smith, Yeah, the

668
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: ones that are eligible this year. Yeah, the ones we

669
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: just talked about, Wayne Hold et cetera, et cetera, Johnson.

670
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: But I hope doesn't happen. This is gonna make your

671
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: blood boil. Well, these are two kind of lean let's

672
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: get hester and.

673
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: Oh that would drive me nuts, especially for whatever if

674
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: I were in the room for that one.

675
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, yeah, come on, I bet vinit

676
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 3: Terry is active at this time next year. I bet

677
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: he's won the fifteen.

678
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet he is too, because there's a large continent.

679
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: He's the best kicker ever.

680
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: No, he's not.

681
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: He's not really even close. I mean that makes me insane.

682
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: If he were kicking today, he'd be the tenth best

683
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: kicker in the league.

684
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean the longevity is great, and he

685
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: didn't kick that long ago.

686
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was still kicking when a lot of these

687
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: guys were active and they were better than him.

688
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: And kicker longevity is not like longevity. They'll get hit,

689
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: they don't. They just swing their leg five times a

690
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: game or whatever.

691
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: Was he that different than the Steelers kicker of the

692
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: same era, Jeff Reid?

693
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: The example I was going to give was the guy

694
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: I was with the Cleveland is Phil Dawson. He kicked forever.

695
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: He was really good. He was just on terrible teams. Right, you.

696
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: Get to go on the Hall of Fame because you

697
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: kicked for some good what And that's the argument. Well,

698
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: he made some big kicks. He made kicks that any

699
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: other kicker in the league would make.

700
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you swing your leg that often,

701
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: there's gonna be memorable moments. There's no doubt he played

702
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: twenty years, but longevity for a kicker is not the

703
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: same as you know, some of these guys that play

704
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: forever guard.

705
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he would not get my vote, would not get

706
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: I'll bet everything I have considering that list that he'll

707
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: be a.

708
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: First ballot eligible one next time next year.

709
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 4: That would make me. I knew that if he and

710
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: if he got in, that would make me ill.

711
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the competition is not that bad next year.

712
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: I mean that's kind of like Yonda, but Yonda is

713
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: so much more deserving than him.

714
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: I just I truly think what's gonna happen here is

715
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: you're going to see a couple of wide receivers get

716
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: in this year.

717
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: It's a good time for that. Maybe that helps Ward

718
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: a year from.

719
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: That, and then a couple more next year, and maybe

720
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: at least next year gets makes it into that that

721
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: list where.

722
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: He can make me talk about That's what I was

723
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: just thinking. Right, if two of those receivers this year,

724
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: even one say it's Wayne, say it's old whoever, maybe

725
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: then Hines gets his foot in the door. Next year

726
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: and at least somebody can make a case for him. Yeah. Maybe,

727
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's not great, yeah, I mean, I mean

728
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: there's some big dogs on the horizon though, huge wrong, Yeah,

729
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: I mean guys.

730
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you got to get j Watt.

731
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why you got to

732
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: get take care of some of these positions. I mean,

733
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: that was one of the things that was talked about

734
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen when I did we have all these

735
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: safeties that they're going to start falling off.

736
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 4: The list here.

737
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

738
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Atwater was in his twentieth year, he was

739
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: going to fall off and then you have to wait

740
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: for the Veterans Committee to get voted in, which takes

741
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: for hours hover Yeah, and really that's why there was

742
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: such a push for Atwater to get in. I didn't

743
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: vote for him.

744
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can understand that logic. But if he

745
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: had twenty tries and he still hasn't got there, then

746
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: maybe shouldn't get there.

747
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: So he just wonder if it gets to that point

748
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: with Ward, who's been ineligible now for about ten years.

749
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: No, well, I think it absolutely could. Wow. So but

750
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: it would definitely be good for Hines's case if a

751
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: receiver or two goes there.

752
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: If a couple month this year, that would help him immensely.

753
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: And I'm sure Steve Smith's thinking the same thing. And

754
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: some of the guys that didn't get to the fifteen

755
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: this year not a great crop for this year or

756
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: next year. There's no no brainers. No, I mean, I

757
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: think Gates will go and I have no problem with

758
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: that whatsoever. But he's not Tony Gonzalez.

759
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: Right, these guys aren't. You know? Wow, that guy's an

760
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: all time great, right, Lee and fine.

761
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: He's really good. Yeah, yeah, he's a seventh best linebacker

762
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: ever or you know, maybe nine, top ten. I mean

763
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of really good am Lambert. Yeah,

764
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: there we go. Yeah right, you know we can name

765
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: five on this from this team. Yeah right, I mean

766
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: even his generation. Is he better than Willis and Lewis

767
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: and you know some of these guys are Lacquer and

768
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: you know guy who've seen the last fifteen years. Yeah, interesting,

769
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: a great player.

770
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: We're gonna get to another break.

771
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening

772
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: to the drive here on.

773
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to finish up the show.

774
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 5: Right after this, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

775
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 5: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of

776
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 5: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation.

777
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 4: Radio, and we are back in the Dale Ali.

778
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt Obviously the Steelers

779
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: have a decision to make.

780
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: A quarterback this week.

781
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're not the only team in the league

782
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: in this situation.

783
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: Oh no, not at all. You're talking about for the

784
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: short term or are we talking about offseason or all

785
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: the above?

786
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the above.

787
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of situations in flux.

788
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: The volatility at the position across the league.

789
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, might be more so than any time I can

790
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: remember since I've covered the league.

791
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, even like everyone talked about the Lawrence

792
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: draft class, and I'm not cutting on Lawrence, but he

793
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: does not look like the next coming of Johnny United

794
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: and Joe Montana Rolando one, you know. I mean, he

795
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: looks like he's gonna be a good player.

796
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 4: They're gonna be in a situation this offseason after year three.

797
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: Now That's where I'm going where. Yeah, it's time to

798
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: start talking contract, right.

799
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: And so all these teams like why I brought that

800
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: up was all these teams are saying, well, this is

801
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: a really good quarterback class coming up, and it might be.

802
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, well that time will tell.

803
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 3: But we said the same thing then, like you and

804
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: I both said most years, I think Justin Fields would

805
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: be my number one quarterback when that when that draft

806
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: was happening. I don't take that back at all. I

807
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: like them more than Wilson. I like them more than

808
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: the other guy's not named Lawrence. So Lawrence is working out,

809
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: but he's not Michael Jordan's. You know. Yeah, there's still

810
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: issues there and no pick up his fifty year option.

811
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: But his Field's gonna get fifty year option picked up

812
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: no matter what team he's on. It's still up in

813
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: the air. But it's not a slam dunk, probably, especially

814
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: if trade for him. No Wight is Wilson with the Jets?

815
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: I mean, no chance. And then who were the other

816
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 3: two from that class? I think there was five first rounders.

817
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: There was Lance, no chance, you know, and I think

818
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 3: there was one more and I'll look at a minute,

819
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: but like that was the transcended quarterback class. That's gonna

820
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: revive the whole league, not so fast, not so much. Right, Yeah, right,

821
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: I mean that's not how it works.

822
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: So you start looking at the you know, the situations here,

823
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 2: and you know, Mason Rudolph talked a little bit about

824
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: this yesterday, and we played back his interview at the

825
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 2: end of the yesterday show.

826
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: One of the things he was asked is.

827
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: Is the league too quick to move on from quarterbacks

828
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: at times?

829
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: Real quick? I can't help myself. But Mac Jones was

830
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: the other one.

831
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, picking the draft. They're not picking up his

832
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 4: He's to be a starter next year. Yeah.

833
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: New, there's Wilson and New there's Lance. You know, two

834
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: out of five have a chance to be a starter

835
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: next year.

836
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

837
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: That was three years ago.

838
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: And that's that's about the hit rate for quarterbacks in

839
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 4: the first round.

840
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah absolutely, I mean Pickett was the only one the

841
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: year after that. We'll see about this class. I mean

842
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 3: that's young Stroud Richardson.

843
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I mean I do think that

844
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 4: it is a position that people try to.

845
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm not saying people try to make up their mind,

846
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: but people make up their mind very quickly whether a

847
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: guy can play or not. And sometimes as we see

848
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: with Geno Smith this week, Oh right, you got this

849
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: guy went ten.

850
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 4: Years between basically being a starter.

851
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: There's some examples of that in history too. Yeah, I

852
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: mean plunk It and guys like Randall Cunningham that revived

853
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: their career and Kurt Warner. I mean a lot of

854
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: these dudes. If people left for dead after having good

855
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: careers or not, it's such a hard position. And I

856
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 3: was listening to Mike Lombardi today and he said one

857
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: thing teams don't do enough of is and we're starting

858
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: about the Wilson you know, benching is the big problem

859
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 3: with it. People screw up trades. Okay, that's a terrible

860
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: trade for Denver, horrendous, one of the worst trades ever.

861
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: But they didn't have to extend his contract, and they

862
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: doubled down. They doubled down. I'm so smart. I got

863
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: my guy. I'm going to push every chip I have in.

864
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: You know, like if you would have just made the deal,

865
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: you had two years left on his deal, it wouldn't

866
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: be hurting you nearly as bad, and you could negotiate

867
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 3: it after last year. You know what I mean.

868
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: If you want to do it that way and you

869
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: trade for the guy, tack a year on a and

870
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: give him some extra money and.

871
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: Say hey, we love you great. Yeah, it's good for

872
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: five years, right, right. You don't even know them yet,

873
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: you've never worked with them.

874
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: You like going out on a first date with somebody

875
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: and saying we're getting married.

876
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, boy, I really like what you've been doing

877
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: from across the bar. We've talked a little, but that's

878
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: about it. We've never worked together, you know what I mean,

879
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: And we're just gonna be in So I do think

880
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: there's some value though, to like, I'm not impressed with

881
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: this rookie class, but all these fourth round picks of

882
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: Hooker and Bennett in tune, if you could hit on

883
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: one of them, that isn't horrible. There's some value to that,

884
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: just because and what he was talking about is another

885
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: mistake was I'm not picking on Daniel Jones, but like

886
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: it felt like a year ago the Giants had to

887
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: get Daniel Jones because we got nobody else. What else

888
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: are we going to do? That's not a good reason

889
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: to give someone forty million a year because you don't

890
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: have anyone else. You think, right, it's thirty million a year,

891
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: forty million a year. You're stuck with them. Now, you're

892
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: stuck with.

893
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: Them at the end of next year, they may be

894
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: in a similar situation to where Denver was at this

895
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 2: year with Russell Wilson.

896
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean, we gotta.

897
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 4: We gotta sit in down because we're not going to

898
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: keep him.

899
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: We're not gonna keep Him'm gonna put him at the

900
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: end of the year, you know, right. I mean, so

901
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: what you do then is don't ever get yourself in

902
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: the situation where it's him or nobody, because that's just

903
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: your negotiating against yourself. I mean, that's terrible business. So

904
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: this is true for the Steelers, this is true for

905
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: everybody that you need options in your room, and you

906
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: can't just be like unless you have my homes or aten.

907
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: I mean, there's five or six guys you're thrilled to

908
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 3: have and you not the same problem with I had.

909
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: This conversation with Tim Ben's on the pregame show the

910
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: other day and we were talking about franchise quarterbacks and

911
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: he's like, what do you what do.

912
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: You consider a franchise quarterback?

913
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 2: I say, look, Tim, there's like five or six franchise

914
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the entire NFL. There's a couple that are

915
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: trying the work gets thrown around a lot, but to

916
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: be a true Ben Roethlisberger was a franchise quarterback, no doubt.

917
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: Uh. Kirk Cousins to me, is not a franchise the way.

918
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: I've been kind of saying it. Our buddy Mike Sando

919
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: does his tiers. If you're a Tier one guy, here's

920
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: a check. Write whatever number on it you want. If

921
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: you're a tier two.

922
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: Guy, I'm kind of in that boat too, and that

923
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 4: probably gets you about eight names.

924
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: You know, maybe Dak is the last one. You know,

925
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 3: it's a tier two guy someone like that. Other than that,

926
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: I don't know that I can pay you or I

927
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: better have a contingency plan that I can get out

928
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: of this.

929
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: That our conversation is going. Because he said, you know,

930
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: what would you do a quarterback? This is before you

931
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: know Rudolph had started the game, What would you do

932
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: a quarterback?

933
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: Wing in the next year, I said. He said, you know,

934
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: if Rudolph.

935
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: Has a good game day, you're bringing him back, you know,

936
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: obviously moving on from Trubisky and drafting one or signing one,

937
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: I said, I'm drafting one pretty regularly because you don't

938
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: have you don't have a franchise quarterback yet.

939
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the legendary Packers GM of the far They traded

940
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: for far Wolf. Yes, look at what he did. I

941
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: mean he drafted like Brunel and hassled back. I mean

942
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 3: they had a theory, we're going to draft quarterback every year,

943
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: even though they had a Hall of Famer that had

944
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: the iron Man streak for games in far you know,

945
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: And it's never a bad idea to have one, you

946
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: know what I mean, even during the Brady era. Many

947
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: of these guys didn't work out, but they used a

948
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: lot of second and third round picks on Garoppolo and O'Connell,

949
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: who's the Vikings head coach right now, and guys like

950
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: that because they're cheap. It's an unbelievably important position in

951
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: the league. Yeah, Like, I don't want to get stuck

952
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: where it's this guy or nobody, or he falls off

953
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: a cliff like Wilson did. And I can't live with

954
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: what I have in my rown.

955
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, I'm the Vikings.

956
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm running through four different starters because none of them

957
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: can stopped turning the ball over him.

958
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And trading for Dobbs you don't know, and

959
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: all these things too, you know, like the Daniel Jones situation.

960
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: You know, when his contract's coming up. You know, he's

961
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: not Pat Mahomes, So you should have used a second

962
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 3: round pick like the Eagles did on Hurts when Wentz

963
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: was coming up, you know, or even after you signed him,

964
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: just because good to have him around.

965
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think, you know, is a great example.

966
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: Like you knew Cousins was up this year, he's up

967
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: after this year, and yeah, you didn't even use a

968
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: third round pick on a guy. Yeah, he doesn't have

969
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: to be a superstar. At least have some other umbrella. Yeah.

970
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: I just think you always take a bite at that

971
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: apple until unless you have the superstar, unless you have

972
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: a franchise, true franchise quarterback.

973
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and New England had that and still would take

974
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: bites at the apple, just as not first rounders, you know.

975
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: I mean those guys have trade value. They Yeah, you

976
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: know you've got something for Jimmy.

977
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 4: Yeah right.

978
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: And I mean for the Patriots, they lived through a

979
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: year where they didn't have Brady m hm.

980
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you're a competitor, and we don't tell. If

981
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 3: Tom misses a month, maybe we go too and two

982
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: with whoever it is.

983
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you're trying to do here.

984
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: That's what the Steelers will be trying to do on Sunday,

985
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: trying to win another game.

986
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: Without their starting quarterback.

987
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett is not yet a franchise quarterback, no, even

988
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: though you took him in the first round. And so,

989
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: I mean that's why to me, Mike Tomlin had to

990
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: make the decision that it looks like he's making here

991
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: and starting Rudolph in this game.

992
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 4: Again, you have to win this game.

993
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: That's all you can talk about now. I mean, you

994
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: and I will spend countless hours talking offseason Steeler quarterbacking.

995
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure no matter what, even if Kenny comes in

996
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: in the after the first drive and looks like the

997
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: best quarterback I've ever seen and the Steelers win the

998
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: super Bowl, that's like the only way we're not going

999
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: to have a quarterback situation is if he has put

1000
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 3: a streak of six games together where he's the best

1001
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: player in the league. I mean, otherwise you have to

1002
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: have a conversation. But almost no matter what, if the

1003
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: Steelers use a third round pick on a quarterback next year, Okay,

1004
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: I get it.

1005
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't mean that they've lost faith in

1006
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett doesn't mean anything of the sort. You keep

1007
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: taking a bite out of that apple, right because.

1008
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: Miami should use a third round pick on a quarterback

1009
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: next year. I mean, like there's many teams, I can,

1010
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: you know, throw that out there or maybe first, you know,

1011
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: on a lot of these teams.

1012
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: And as the league, the way the league has gone

1013
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: in recent years, you're playing two or three quarterbacks.

1014
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 4: You have to expect to play two or three quarterbacks

1015
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 4: over the course of the sea.

1016
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, if any one of the thirty two teams gave

1017
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett a pretty decent contract, he's a free agent

1018
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: AFE this year. I understand he's probably gonna.

1019
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: Play at some point.

1020
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Holmes' backup, He's probably gonna play.

1021
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 4: At some point.

1022
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1023
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just where we're at in the league

1024
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 4: right now. I mean, you're playing in seventeen games eighteen weeks.

1025
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: You know, I've heard people, well, Kenny pick is two

1026
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 4: injury prone look around the league.

1027
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know he's any different than most. No,

1028
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: I mean Aaron Rodgers was an injury prone. He played four.

1029
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: STAPs, you know.

1030
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: I mean Burrow is he injury prone? Sure, looks like it.

1031
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're gonna if that's what you're gonna say,

1032
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you know.

1033
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: Are they unhappy about having Burrow? I mean, Herbert's had

1034
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: a ton of injuries lately, He's played through some, and

1035
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: Stafford early his career he's injury prone, went on how

1036
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: to win a super Bowl? You know. Uh, injury prone

1037
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: to me, is somebody something we don't know? Yeah, I

1038
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: like his knees a mess. Well, well that's that's different.

1039
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: That's different.

1040
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: But if it's something, if it's different injuries here and there,

1041
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: or if it's concussions and things of that, I mean

1042
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: those happen.

1043
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's football. I mean some of it. I mean

1044
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: if a quarterback doesn't see rush coming or can't get

1045
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: out of the way, can't quote protect themselves as we

1046
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: talk about, that's different. And I don't want that guy,

1047
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: you know, but we'll see went in doubt draft quarterback. Yeah,

1048
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: take he taking bites at the apple. You might end

1049
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: up with Dak in the fifth round.

1050
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: Or you might again, as as Seattle did resurrecting Gino Smith. Yeah,

1051
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: ten years after he'd been a first round draft pick. Yeah,

1052
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: and bounds he was on his fourth team. Yeah, you know,

1053
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: now they're happy with Youono Smith.

1054
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: It wouldn't blow my doors off if Winston's the name

1055
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 3: I bring up too much. But someone like him gets

1056
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 3: an opportunity and does well. Next year, you know, just

1057
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: is competing with a rookie, the rookie fails, we have

1058
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: to go to Jamis Oh right. You know he'd learned

1059
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: a lot in the last couple of years.

1060
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all about the situation.

1061
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: Situation so much more important than the player. Almost. Yeah.

1062
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: I mean there are a lot of situations where that

1063
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks go into where they couldn't possibly win.

1064
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: No. I remember I said these exact words, like when

1065
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: Washington drafted Dwayne Haskins. I'm like, sorry, Dwayne, Yeah, no chance,

1066
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: you're swimming upstream. I mean, you do not have much

1067
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: of a chance to succeed unless you're special.

1068
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's hard. That's going to do it for today's show.

1069
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: So for my partner Matt Williamson for CJ woofully here

1070
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: on site keeping us on the air, and we want

1071
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: to thank Bob.

1072
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: Labriola for dropping by as well.

1073
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: It was fun.

1074
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lollie. We thank you for listening to this

1075
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 2: edition of the Drive on Steelers.

1076
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Speaker 4: Nation Radio,