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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Keith Thompson Back with us is an author's

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Speaker 1: one of his books Angels and Aliens UFOs in the

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Speaker 1: Mythic Imagination. He's an independent journalist explorer of truly exceptional

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Speaker 1: and supernormal mind body capacities as potential indicators of the

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Speaker 1: future evolution of human nature. The San Francisco Chronicle described

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Speaker 1: Keith's book Angels and Aliens, UFOs and the Mythic Imagination

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Speaker 1: as the most fascinating book written on the subject. That's

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Speaker 1: quite an honor. Keith is at work on a new

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Speaker 1: book that I will tell you the working title. It

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Speaker 1: is called Coming Ashore to a Larger Earth. And here

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Speaker 1: he is back on Coast to Coast Keith, Welcome back, Well,

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Speaker 1: my friend, George, it's great to be back. I'm delighted

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Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to talk with you at this

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Speaker 1: stage of this new project. And let me say, if

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Speaker 1: you will, I've done a lot of media over the years,

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Speaker 1: your old friend and your late friend, colleague, Larry King,

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Speaker 1: Larry King Live. I've talked to a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: and it's always been as a journalist about stories that

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Speaker 1: are written about other people. And this is really the

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Speaker 1: first time in my life when I used the first

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Speaker 1: person pronoun I, not just to talk about the story

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Speaker 1: that I've written. It's gotten me on this show or that,

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Speaker 1: but it's finally through a sense of guidance that I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to talk about and write about my own near

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Speaker 1: death experience, which, by the way, I've shared with people

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Speaker 1: in my life discreetly over the years. I've learned that

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Speaker 1: it's important to be The feedback you get sometimes is

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Speaker 1: so hostile and skeptical that you just learned to keep quiet.

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Speaker 1: The first time I really went public with my near

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Speaker 1: death experience to the world was when I did Last

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Speaker 1: when I did your show Last aussing the UFO phenomenon

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Speaker 1: in June. So I'm back, and that kind of set

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Speaker 1: the reels in motion to really get serious about this book.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to tell you is I'm now

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Speaker 1: talking about myself that the book is not only about

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Speaker 1: my near death experience, but it's going to place this

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Speaker 1: important phenomenon, hopefully in a context that can really help

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Speaker 1: people understand a larger sense of reality, right, because when

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Speaker 1: you were in your twenties, you almost drowned and we

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Speaker 1: almost lost you. Yes, yes we did. You would never

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Speaker 1: have known me. I had gone to Hawaii from California,

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Speaker 1: Honolulu Marathon in nineteen seventy eight. So I'll cut to

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Speaker 1: the chase and say that I've seen my sixtieth birthday

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Speaker 1: in it in a few years since, feeling great, loving

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Speaker 1: life afterlife, because I think they're both the same place.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm going to talk about. But went

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Speaker 1: You're being pulled out and you're being smashed from behind,

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm in trouble. Were you scared? Keith? I

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Speaker 1: was the body mind complex called Keith was afraid of dying.

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Speaker 1: And the next memory I have, George, is of rising,

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Speaker 1: They all did. Yes, they've been calling me. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Mary told me she's a Keith guy, Let's all be careful.

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Speaker 1: These signs are serious. And she had run the marathon too.

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Speaker 1: three years after Raymond Moody wrote his famous book Life

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Speaker 1: After Life. Keith Thompson had never heard of the near

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