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Speaker 1: prevent that this move in Britain encourages populist movements in

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Speaker 1: McKee and Tom Keane Bloomberg Surveillance Worldwide. We welcome all

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Speaker 1: of you this morning. Michael, you got your arm up

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Speaker 1: over there. You get some news coming. We've got some

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Speaker 1: news coming. It is Car Sales Day, the first month

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Speaker 1: day reports on June car sales from the Big Three.

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Speaker 1: The first of the Big three, as always, Fiat Chrysler

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Speaker 1: sales up six and a half percent. That's less than

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Speaker 1: the forecast consensus estimate of eight point nine percent. However,

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Speaker 1: once again sales are up for a Fiat Chrysler, so

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Speaker 1: with pounds Sterling and ninety four. You wonder where car

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Speaker 1: an important proce. You know. One of the biggest employers

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Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher from a few years ago, John Michaelsway with

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Speaker 1: congratulations on this essay. The photo of Baroness Thatcher speaks

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