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Speaker 1: So what does history have to say about those states

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Speaker 1: does it look like now moving forward with Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: you're getting ready to see what happens in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: It's verdict with Senator Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's interesting if you look at

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Speaker 2: the history of the primaries, and I want to do

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a deep dive into these early

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Speaker 2: state primaries the role that they have played. And so

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Speaker 2: let's start with Iowa and the Iowa caucuses have played

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Speaker 2: a very significant role. Let's start on the Democrat side

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Speaker 2: and go back to nineteen seventy six. Nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 2: the Democrat winner of the Iowa caucus. Do you know

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: It was the governor of Georgia, an unknown candidate by

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Speaker 2: the name of Jimmy Carter. Really, Iowa caucus is basically

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Speaker 2: propelled Jimmy Carter to become president of the United States,

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Speaker 2: and he went and he worked it. He worked it

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Speaker 2: on the ground their ninety nine counties in Iowa. He

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Speaker 2: went and did grassroots events after grassroots event, and Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Carter's victory in the Iowa caucus was pivotal. Without that,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't become president. You then look nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 2: So nineteen eighty Carter's the incumbents of the caucus doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Eighty four is the next open presidential race. The winner

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Speaker 2: of it was Walter Mondale forty nine percent. So Mondale,

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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty eight, the winner of the Iowa caucus was

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Speaker 2: Dick Gephart got thirty one percent, Paul Simon got twenty

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Speaker 2: seven percent, Michael Decaccus got twenty two percent. Now tight. Now,

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Speaker 2: hard match. And so that was one where the winner

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Speaker 2: did not win the nomination. Nineteen ninety two. Who won

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Speaker 1: Two, I'm gonna guess was it Bill Clinton?

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Speaker 2: In fact, Bill Clinton got three percent?

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Speaker 2: it basically Iowa was written off in ninety two. Two thousand,

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Speaker 2: two thousand, the Iowa caucas winner won the Democrat nomination.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and four, John Kerry won. He got thirty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was a tight race.

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Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton wins the Iowa caucus, but with

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Speaker 1: So I remember that night. That was an incredible night

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Speaker 2: And then two thousand, remember the Iowa Democrat caucus was

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Speaker 1: I would assume he would have just owned it there.

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Speaker 2: You would assume, but you would assume incorrectly. The winner

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Speaker 2: Do you remember who took second in eighty eight in Iowa?

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Speaker 2: George W. Bush? Okay, big victory, big victory with evangelicals.

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Speaker 1: You came in second there that year. Steve Forbes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So Bush wins Iowa with forty one percent. Steve Forbes

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Speaker 2: And that ended up hurting Santaurum a lot because.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't claim victory. You want to claim victory.

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Speaker 2: The benefit of winning Iowa well, one of the benefits

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Speaker 2: typically Iowa whittles down the field. It eliminates candidates. The

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Yours truly I got twenty eight percent in

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Speaker 2: Jerry Brown got ten percent in that race. Wow, eighty four?

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Speaker 1: He got crushed.

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Speaker 2: And Bill Clinton turned a second place finish in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 2: that second play propelled him to the presidency. Year two

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Speaker 1: Ninety six? New Hampshire has gotta be It's got it?

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Speaker 1: Is it Bush?

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Speaker 1: So two thousand, that's why I was. I thought you

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Speaker 2: Nope, two thousand. I remember I was on this campaign.

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Speaker 2: I remember well. Bush had just won Iowa decisively. John

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Speaker 1: John McKay John mckainn again again.

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Speaker 2: Thirty seven percent, Mitt Romney thirty two percent, So he's

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Speaker 1: It's almost like they want to say, hold on, we

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. Who was it?

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton was seventy three percent? Bernie Sanders just twenty

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty the winner of South Carolina?

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Speaker 1: Who was it?

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Speaker 2: So understand in twenty twenty Bernie had won Iowa and

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Speaker 2: So Reagan that cycle in nineteen eighty lost Iowa, but

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Speaker 2: Who wins South Carolina?

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Speaker 2: Was a Bush Bush forty one with forty nine percent.

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Speaker 2: go back to eighty eight. We're Bush forty one is

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Speaker 2: president or is pivotal in that? All? Right? Ninety six?

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Speaker 1: Had him been Bush?

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Speaker 2: George W. Bush fifty three percent, John McGain forty two percent,

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Speaker 2: Remember Huckabee had won Iowa. Yeah, loses New Hampshire and

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Speaker 2: then South Carolina decides it thirty three percent to thirty percent.

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Speaker 2: That was neck and neck. And by the way, third

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Speaker 2: place was Fred Thompson at sixteen percent.

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Speaker 1: And he really went all in in that state, if

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Speaker 1: I remember correctly, he spent a lot of time there,

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Speaker 1: in a lot of money he did.

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Speaker 2: Met Romney fifteen percent, Ron Paul four percent, Rudy Giuliani

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Speaker 2: two percent. Twenty twelve, Newt Gingrich at forty percent, he wins,

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Speaker 2: met Romney at twenty eight percent, Sentaorum seventeen percent, Ron

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Speaker 2: Paul thirteen So Santorum ad one. Iowa didn't get the bounce,

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Speaker 2: and Gingrich comes along and steals South Carolina makes a

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Speaker 2: hard push, but then Romney ultimately wins later. So that

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Speaker 2: was that was the year where it didn't play according

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Speaker 2: to type was twenty twelve, twenty sixteen. Trump wins South

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Speaker 2: Carolina thirty three percent and Rubio and I basically tie.

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Speaker 2: He takes twenty two percent. I take twenty two percent.

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Speaker 2: He beats me by like seventeen hundred votes. It was,

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Speaker 2: it was less than two thousand votes.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed our special conversation of really inside

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