1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Good morning, Welcome. It is the Ben Ferguson Podcast. Nice 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: to have you with U. Slide from the White House 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: and sitting in front of me as a woman that 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: has taken on an almost impossible task. I was so 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: excited when I heard this name Linda McMahon. And if 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: you don't know the history of Linda, you need to 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: google it because she has done some amazing things. 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: In her career. And you get this job. 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: You get a phone call to become the United States 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Secretary of Education. How did this even come about? How 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: was the phone call that you received from the President? 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I got to know the backstory real quick because I 13 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: think it's so fascinating. 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: Well, good morning, and thank you very much for having me. Ben. 15 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: It Well, you may or may not recall, but I 16 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: was the co chair of the transition committee for the President. 17 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: So we were putting in place all of the different 18 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 3: cabinet secretaries, etc. And you know, I'm working on everybody 19 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: else's department. And the President talks to me and he says, look, 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: he says, I've got the perfect place for you. And 21 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: I said, oh, okay, what are you thinking. He's Department 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 3: of Education. I said, well, you realize that my background 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: is not, you know, in the world of education, although 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: I got my certificate to teach and I was prepared 25 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 3: to teach French. I also served on the Connecticut State 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: Board of Education, and then I've been on the board 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: of trustees at Sacred Heart University for sixteen years. I said, 28 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 3: so I do have education background. And he said, look, 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: here's what I want to do with the Department of Education. 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: I want to shut it down. And so I laughed. 31 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: I laughed, and I said, so in other words, excuse me, 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: I said, so, in other words, you want me to 33 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: preside over my own demise. And he laughed out loud 34 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: and he said, yep. He said, I do want you 35 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 3: to do that. He said, and here's what I need. 36 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: He said, rather than have an educator in place to 37 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: do this, what I really need is a business person. 38 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: I need an executive. I need a leader who knows 39 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: how to manage and can handle this. He said. We 40 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: need to return education to the States. He said, I 41 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: want to take the bureaucracy out of education, and as 42 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: much money as we're saving and doing that, I want 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: to make sure that the states can maximize, you know, 44 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: that money and have the programs that they need in place. 45 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: So he said, so I need you to come on 46 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: board and do that, and I do that. Yes, I 47 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: I Captain, I'm ready to go. 48 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: So you get here and you get this new job, 49 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: and it's an incredible job, and you're putting yourself out 50 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: of business, which is also like a weird mentality to have. 51 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: What was the biggest waste. 52 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: Of tax dollars that you've uncovered at DOGE And let's 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: start there. 54 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you know they First of all, 55 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: let me say I welcomed the DOGE group that came 56 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 3: in and has been looking at a lot of the 57 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: wasteful spending that has been going on. I think one 58 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: of the things that jumped out at me was that 59 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 3: we had about six hundred million dollars that we were 60 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: spending on teacher training programs. Now that's so, now that sounds, 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: you know, incredibly like a good amount of money to 62 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 3: be spending on a good thing to train our teachers. 63 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: But what we really were finding was that most of 64 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: the programs at that point were really focused on DEI training, yeah, 65 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: and not on what excuse me you would typically be 66 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: looking at, you know, for teacher training. And so we 67 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: took back that money and we shut down that kind 68 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: of training program. So that was one that just jumped 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: out at me. 70 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: So is it fair to say the Department of Education? 71 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: And I have a sister, she's in an innercy school 72 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: and she's doing the best that she can. My mom 73 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: was a teacher, my aunt was a principal. Like I 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: come from that world. But what is sad to me 75 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: is it seems like the Department of Education has basically 76 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: decided we're going to indoctrinate kids instead of educate kids, 77 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: and we're going to do it in a way with 78 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: you using taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate them and what we 79 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: believe in instead of reading, writing, and arithmetic. How far 80 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: off am I on that from a national standpoint? 81 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 3: You know, far off on that at all? And what 82 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: we have really seen, I mean, think about this, Ben. 83 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: The Department of Education was established in nineteen eighty and 84 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: since that time, we have spent over three trillion dollars 85 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: in education, and our performance scores have continued to go down. 86 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: And you know, I don't I don't say there haven't 87 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: been things that have been tried. I mean the Bush 88 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: administration tried no child left Behind. Yeah, Barack Obama tried 89 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: race to the top, but we're failing in the mission 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: of teaching our our students. And I think the reason 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: for that is we have gotten away from basics. We've 92 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: gotten away from teaching reading and teaching arithmetic. And so 93 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: what we're finding in schools that are showing improvement and 94 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: scores is that they have returned to the science of reading, 95 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: teaching phonics, teaching repetitive, you know, just memorization like in 96 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: mathematics for your times table and things like that, and 97 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: then building upon that base. You know, up through third 98 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: grade you are learning to read, and after third grade 99 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: you're reading to learn. And if you can read, you're 100 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: not going to be able to learn. So we found 101 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: that a lot of the fall off, if you will, 102 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: in education is because we're not teaching the basics, and 103 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: so a little return to that basics is great. Now 104 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: a lot of other things that can be introduced that 105 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: can be helpful, like AI yes, because they're how far. 106 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: Behind are we on technology? 107 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean just because it seems like we're back 108 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: twenty years ago and all of a sudden now are 109 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: thirty years ago in technology and we're having these kids 110 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: go out in the world I laughed the other day. 111 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: I was talking to a group. 112 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: Of students and the students said that at they're high school, 113 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: they were still teaching them to do photography and develop film. 114 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: And You're like, for what reason that doesn't happen anymore? 115 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: You're not going to use is that going to be 116 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: their major when they go off? Right a career path 117 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: that they want to be on. If it's a career path, 118 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: they want to be on them off for that right. 119 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: However, it's digital now, pictures are digital, and they're like, 120 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: the teacher's been there and said, well, this is how 121 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: we've always done it. 122 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: That was sponsor to students. 123 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: I'm like, we're paying that salary to someone who's literally 124 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: saying I refuse to move forward. 125 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just think that just goes to the 126 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: bigger problem of how I think education is not in 127 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: touch with the communities. It's not in touch with the 128 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: industries that we need. And that's what we need to 129 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 3: make sure of that we are educating our students for 130 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: you know, for their for their livelihood. What you know, 131 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: what what does industry need? What does the community need? Uh, 132 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 3: You'll hear most universities say that we want to make sure, 133 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: we can keep students in the community when we're when 134 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: we're training them, but if you don't understand what the community, 135 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: what industry, what business needs, what or what technology needs, 136 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: et cetera, you can't construct the proper curriculum to fill 137 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: you know, that need, and you'll find we won't be successful. 138 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: When I was going through school, and again I came 139 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: from a family of educators that the dream, the goal 140 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: was always you go to college. Right, you want to 141 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: be successful, you go to college. I think think that 142 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: has been a detriment to this new generation of students. 143 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: I think there's tradesmen, there's crafts, there's certain things that 144 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: you can go into, and this obsession would just go 145 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: to college no matter what, which is also I think 146 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: we're one of the biggest problems is in public education. 147 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: There's a lot of kids and if you look. 148 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: At the data, they're not going to go to college, 149 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: but they're not prepared to do anything when they leave 150 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: high school. Is that one of the biggest things that 151 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: we're missing as well that you've seen that we've got 152 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: to do a better job of preparing these kids for 153 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: real world and trade. And I mean, there's great jobs 154 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: out there that you don't have to go to college 155 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: for and you can make a great living if they're 156 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: prepared for them. But we're not doing that either. 157 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 3: No, we're not about eight million open jobs in the country, 158 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: and we don't have a skilled workforce ready to go 159 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: into those jobs. One of the things that I talk 160 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: about when I'm traveling, and I am traveling to many 161 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: states visiting schools to see what kind of different curriculum 162 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: is being taught, both in lower in middle schools and 163 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: then you know high schools as well, and we're not 164 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: preparing students. And I think we have to change the 165 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: culture of education in our country from just exactly what 166 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: you were talking about. For your college is not necessary 167 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: anymore for many of the skills that we should be teaching. 168 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: And there are certain degrees that obviously do require college 169 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: education if you're going to be a doctor or a lawyer, 170 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: or an engineer and that sort of thing. However, there 171 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: are many career paths that don't require a four year 172 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: college education. If you're going to be a skilled tradesman, 173 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: a plumber and electrician, an h VAC technician, sophisticated manufacturing 174 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: like CSR, then you can get certificates that are much 175 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: shorter than for you. As a matter of fact, I 176 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: am a strong proponent of short term PEL grants to 177 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: to help get people in the workforce faster. So that's 178 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: really what I would like to see. And you have 179 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: to be in touch with your community and with the 180 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: needs of manufacturing, with the needs of industry so that 181 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: we can consumer what. 182 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: An other idea. 183 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: Right, you work with people in the community where those 184 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: jobs are, whether you're in a manufacturing city or an 185 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: IT citty or a place like that. So let me 186 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: ask you another question. This goes back to the big 187 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: issue of what does it look like if you guys 188 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: shut all this down and the power goes back to 189 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: the state. And this is a really important one because 190 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of parents right now that kids are 191 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: in failing schools and they really are intrigued. 192 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: By the idea as well of school choice is. 193 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: Part of shutting down the Department of Education, going back 194 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: to the states, giving the states empowerment to be able 195 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: to do things like that. 196 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, the President does not want to see any child 197 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: trapped in a failing school, and that's he has talked 198 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: about that forever. That's why I'm such a strong proponent 199 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: of charter schools, public schools, homeschooling, magnet schools. There is 200 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: no one size fits all for education. 201 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: What amazing idea we have an administration actually likes parents, 202 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: even in homeschooling. That hasn't I was homeschool when I 203 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: was younger, and the disdain from the federal government for 204 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: homeschooling has been shocking for decades. 205 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: No, it's absolutely critical that we structure our education to 206 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: fit the child. And that's one of the reasons why 207 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: is we see technology that can be utilized in many 208 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: more ways. I mean from AI if you think we 209 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: can have almost a personal tutor in the classroom one 210 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: on one. I saw a demonstration of this last week 211 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: that there was a teacher in the classroom at twenty 212 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: five students. She had on her screen the twenty five 213 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: students who were each getting individual instruction in math, and 214 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: she could tell which student was not keeping up on 215 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: the exercise and go to that student and repeat things 216 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: or reprogram and it was just amazing to see. And 217 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: you'll see scores start to come up much quicker. Children 218 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 3: can learn much faster when they're taught in the ways 219 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: that they can learn. So as we shut down the 220 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 3: Department of Education. I want to make sure that best 221 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: practices are being shown to those states, that we provide 222 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: the states with the tools to move forward, so because 223 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: that's how they'll have their their greatest success, and then 224 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: putting the money to them to help support those programs. 225 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: So what a success look like? How do you define 226 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: us at the Department of Education for your tenure moving forward? 227 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: Is that shutting it down? Or is that changing the 228 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: narrative and giving and going and working with these states? 229 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: And what's the timeline look like as well? 230 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's not mutually exclusive, it's not either or were 231 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 3: clearly are going to close down the Department of Education, 232 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: but that is going to take an Act of Congress. 233 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: So we're going to have to work with Congress. And 234 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: I've said all along that I want Congress to be 235 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: my partner in doing this. 236 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: How's the reception been there? 237 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I see a lot of these guys in Congress, 238 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure from unions. 239 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: What does the back room conversation of this look like? 240 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: Because at first, I'm sure when you said it, there 241 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: was a lot of people in Congress like, hold on 242 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: a second, dial it down. 243 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: It's pretty divided at the moment, but I think that 244 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: I'm hoping absolutely that they will be my partner's when 245 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: I show them that I believe the programs that we're 246 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: going to put forth and how we're going to do 247 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: it will strengthen education. Because the President believes, as do I, 248 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: that the best education is that closest to the student. 249 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: So if we can provide the best practices and the 250 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: tools for those best practices, then I think we're going 251 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: to raise the scores of kids in those states and 252 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 3: money will be better spent. 253 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: So when you work at the state level, who are 254 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: your biggest allies? There? 255 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: Is it governors and state legislatures that people in education. 256 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: It's all of the above, but primarily the people when 257 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: I go and talk and meet with are principles of schools. 258 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: There may be some of the local superintendents. Parents have come. 259 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: I was there. Let's see where it was. I was 260 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: in Las Vegas this past Friday, which was a holiday 261 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: for schools, but I had parents, students, teachers coming in 262 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: to meet with me to show me what their school 263 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: was doing and about the things that they needed, and 264 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: it was incredibly refreshing to see that parental involvement is 265 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: one of the keys. I think that was the silver 266 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 3: lining of COVID. Parental involvement is really one of the 267 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: keys to show how they are supporting their students and 268 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 3: understanding what they want the curriculum to look like. 269 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: It seems like the mentality that you're advocating for is 270 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, it was in the last administration parents that 271 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: showed up at school board meetings were considered domestic terrorists 272 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: if they were saying something you didn't want to hear. 273 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: You're now saying, I want to welcome parents back in 274 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: the educational process. 275 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: Is that part of the core goal as well? 276 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, if you don't have parental support in local school systems, 277 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: it makes the success of teaching I think in the 278 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: schools nowhere near what it is when you see parental involvement. 279 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: I mean, parents have rights. They have a right to 280 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: look at what kind of curriculum is being taught in 281 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: the schools, whether it's appropriate for their child. They should 282 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: be involved. But they also have to be involved in 283 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: supporting the men's school for making sure they're doing their 284 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 3: homework for all of those things as well, and so 285 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: hopefully we're making that connection a much more solid as well. 286 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: Final question for you and this is one of those 287 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: that I think is so important. 288 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: The people that listen to this show. There's a lot 289 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: of people that. 290 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: Say, I want a blueprint of what you need for 291 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: me as a parent. Is it going to school board meetings? 292 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Is it going to my legislature, Is it calling my 293 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: congressman or my center. You clearly need support because Congress 294 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: has to go along with you, but they also need 295 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: to advocate for supporting their state and their local municipalities. 296 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: So if you're a mom listing right now and your 297 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: kids in a failing school, your dad that it says, hey, 298 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: my kids in a failing school, tell me what I 299 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: need to do. You're in charge. What are you asking 300 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: for me? What can they do as a parent to 301 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: get involved? 302 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 3: I think the two best things that they can do, 303 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: first of all, is to really be involved locally, because 304 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: that's really where it happens. It's at their school or 305 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: in their town or in their community. And if they're 306 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: in a failing school and there's another school that is potential, 307 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: whether it's a charter school or a private school, and 308 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: they have the opportunity to move their child into that school. 309 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: But in order to have that opportunity, the legislation has 310 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: to be in place for them to be able to 311 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: do that, and so they have to work locally. They 312 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: also have to call their local They also have to 313 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: call their US representatives and senators as well as their 314 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: local representatives and senators because it's legislation, but it's time, 315 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: it's effort. But be involved, be involved. 316 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: And that includes school choice advocating for that as well. 317 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: We absolutely I am a strong proponent, as is the 318 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: President for school choice. That's why he has been such 319 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: a strong proponent for charter schools. And I've been visiting 320 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: some charter schools recently on a couple of states that 321 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: I've been in to see the programs that they're putting 322 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,359 Speaker 3: in place, and they are They're pretty magnificent. 323 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: It's incredible, it's refreshing. I hope this gives people and 324 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: moms that and dads are listening, grandparents hope that we're 325 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: going to actually have a real impact. 326 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: You've got a long haul ahead of you. 327 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: It is a long haul. But and I'll tell you, 328 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: and know a lot of folks look at what we're 329 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: doing and say, oh, well, you know, the Department of 330 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: Education is really looking to close down public schools couldn't 331 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: be farther from the truth. 332 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: That's one of the lies. 333 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: And we saw that right away, and that was not 334 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: the goal here. It was just to say we want 335 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: to get rid of the bureaucracy. That am I wrong 336 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: in saying it that way? 337 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 3: Get rid of the bureaucracy. But you know, rising tide 338 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: lifts all boats. Schools can be competitive, curriculum can be competitive, 339 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: and what we have seen and one of the other 340 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: lies that if you will is you're taking money away 341 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: from public schools and that's not the case either. 342 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: Lastly, and then I know you got to go, but 343 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, this is this something that 344 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: you ever thought would be part of your legacy? And 345 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: how exciting is this to say I am going to 346 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: maybe get to do something that is grand when it 347 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: comes to redefining how we educate kids in America. 348 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: Well, it was certainly something that I had contemplated prior 349 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: to the President asking me to take on this role. 350 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: But the more that I've gotten into it and thought 351 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: about it, and I really do believe that if my 352 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: legacy could be to help the president be the education 353 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: president and help raise levels of education and to do 354 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: what his goal is, which is to provide equal access 355 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: to excellent education to every student in the country. 356 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: One of the big issues that so many Americans care 357 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: about right now is the issue of what's happening at 358 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: the southern border. We have done a lot to secure 359 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: the border in our President Trump and in the first 360 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: hundred days, but then there's the issue of all the 361 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: illegal immigrants that are in this country and how we're 362 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: going to deport them, especially those that are in MS 363 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: thirteen gang members and Trey de la Laga gangs. This 364 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: is still a major issue for safety for so many Americans. 365 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: So join me now to talk about this is Tricia mcloffin. 366 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: She is the Assistant Secretary Department of Homeland Security. Tricia, 367 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to have you here and to talk 368 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: about this. Let's go to the headlines and start there. 369 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: You've got this story of a MS thirteen gang member 370 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: who even his own wife was making sure that his 371 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: knuckles were that had the tattoo of the MS thirteen 372 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: gang symbol was not on social media in some of 373 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: her postings. Then the media tried to say that he 374 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: was not a gang member, that this was terrible that 375 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: we kicked him out of this country. 376 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: And that we send Salvador and they're domating him back. 377 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: And now Democrats have gone all in on this, like 378 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: there's delegations using taxpayer dollars to go and meet with 379 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: this person, not meet with family members and victims in 380 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: this country, those that have been terrorized, those have been killed, 381 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: those have been raped and murdered by this gang that 382 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: is a terrorist organization. And now we're also seeing lawfare 383 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: in the courts trying to say no, no, no, President Trump, 384 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: you can't keep American safe as. 385 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 4: Well, exactly, Ben, And there really is a concerted effort 386 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 4: by the media and Democrats to whitewash this story, whitewash 387 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 4: who this guy is, that he's some innocent Maryland father, 388 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 4: when he's anything but. First and foremost, he is in 389 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 4: the country illegally. He had final deportation orders. But let's 390 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 4: go through the timeline a little bit to describe who 391 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 4: this guy Abrego Garcia actually is. When he was initially 392 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 4: arrested in twenty nineteen, he was found among other MUS 393 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 4: thirteen gang members, decked out an MS thirteen gear having 394 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 4: different MS thirteen symbols on it. He was found with 395 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: drugs and rolls of money as well two separate immigration 396 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 4: judges found that he was an MS thirteen gang member 397 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 4: as well as the Prince George's County gang unit. Keep 398 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: in mind, Prince George County, Maryland isn't exactly some red haven, 399 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 4: it is very blue. They found that he is in 400 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 4: MS thirteen as well. Flash forwarded to twenty twenty one. 401 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: His wife, his own wife, who like you said, was 402 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 4: covering up his knuckles, was filed a domestic restraining order 403 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 4: against him for slapping her, for ripping off her shirt, 404 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 4: for pinching and scratching her sheet, and her own written 405 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 4: testimony said how she feared for her children and tried 406 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 4: to take them away from him, and then, man, if 407 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 4: I'm a one more time is In twenty twenty two, 408 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 4: he was pulled over by the Tennessee State Highway Patrol 409 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 4: during which he was allegedly taking eight individuals from Texas 410 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: to Maryland on a three day journey. On a three 411 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 4: day journey with eight people, and there was not a 412 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 4: single piece of luggage in that vehicle that reeks of 413 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 4: human trafficking. That is textbook, and so we're left to 414 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: believe that, oh no, this is an innocent guy. 415 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, that let's be queer the Biden administration, 416 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: the FBI said no, no, no, just let him go. 417 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: Don't worry about that. 418 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 4: There's certainly more to the story, and I'd love to 419 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 4: hear more from the FBI and what went down there. 420 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: So you look at this guy and he's over there, 421 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: and now the media has become like he's some sort 422 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: of folk hero or hero for them, the Democratic Party 423 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: spending taxpayer hours to go down there and meet with 424 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 1: him like he's a celebrity. You have centers that are 425 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: holding his hand like he's been persecuted by the United 426 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: States of America and demands to bring him back. What 427 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 1: so we can deport him to another country as soon 428 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: as he gets here, because that's exactly what could happen. 429 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: It's remarkable to me that this is the hill that 430 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 4: the Democrats and media are willing to die on, that 431 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 4: they have one small shred of any credibility left and 432 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 4: this is what they're going to burn it on. Is 433 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 4: this MS thirteen gang member. Americans should remember who MS 434 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: thirteen is. It is a vicious gang that sex traffics, 435 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: that human traffics, that maimes, rapes and kills Americans for sport. 436 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: These are people who should not be in our country 437 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 4: and should be hunted down and locked up immediately. 438 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: You just look at some of the things that apparently 439 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: were found on his devices. And that's one of the 440 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: things that I found interesting on the reporting is you 441 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: look at what they share MS thirteen game members. They 442 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: share the pictures of beheadings, the butchering of humans. And 443 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: then yet they're trying to say, oh, this guy's a 444 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: victim who broke into America. 445 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: Anything but and that is I mean, if you look 446 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 4: at the crime on American streets and crimes by these 447 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 4: illegal immigrant gangs, so much of the time they're done 448 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: by MS thirteen, they're done by Trendy Arragua, they're done 449 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 4: by these other vicious gangs. They shouldn't have been here 450 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 4: in the first place because they're in the country illegally. 451 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 4: Much less the fact that with impunity they've been allowed 452 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 4: to rain terwer on American streets for the last four years. 453 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the court system now, and we've seen 454 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: these activist judges who are stepping in and using law 455 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: fair to say, hey, the president can't do this anymore. 456 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: You can't just ship people off to the other countries. 457 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna stop you every step of the way. What 458 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: is the administration's response to that. How long is it 459 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: going to take for this to play out. 460 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 4: I think ultimately President Trump, Secretary Noman, this entire administration 461 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: are going to be victorious on this issue. On November fifth, 462 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, there is a clear mandate from the 463 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 4: American people that we need to get criminal illegal aliens 464 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 4: out of this country. There was likely ten to twenty 465 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 4: million illegal aliens who came into this country under Joe Biden. 466 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 4: The American people are done with it. Look, whether Garcia 467 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 4: is in an American detention facility or an Ala Salvador, 468 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: what matters really is that he's locked up. But I 469 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 4: do think ultimately this will be sorted out. We will 470 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 4: ensure that these individuals have due process. That was what 471 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 4: the Supreme Court was most concerned about, was the amount 472 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: of time these individuals were given notice. But we're going 473 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: to be very clear that despite the fact that these 474 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 4: are terrorists, these are criminal gang members, this is still 475 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 4: the United States of American. We guarantee due process under 476 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 4: the US Constitution. 477 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: So when you look forward after we're at the one 478 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: hundred day mark, in essence, and this is pretty awesome 479 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: because there's a lot that's been done. The border is 480 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: now more secure than's been in decades, the number of 481 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: people are coming across. I think the message the present 482 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: sent loud and clear was you come here now, it's 483 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: game on. We're saying that the number of crossings have 484 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: dropped significantly, but there's the big question of Okay, there's 485 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people that got in under the Biden years. 486 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: There's literally millions. 487 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: How are we going to unwind all of that in 488 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: an orderly fashion. 489 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that we're working to do just that. 490 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: Secretary Nome was handed a tough task and she's taking 491 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 4: it on miraculously. Look at the border, as you just mentioned, 492 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: we virtually have operational control of the border. Border crossings 493 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 4: are down ninety five percent. 494 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: That is, i all. 495 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 4: Accounts, the most secure border in American history. That's in 496 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 4: less than ninety days. It's pretty pretty remarkable. But we 497 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 4: also have to look at our legal immigration system as well. 498 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 4: The Biden administration majorc has use parole programs, temporary protected status, 499 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 4: and these their programs to allow illegal immigrants to come 500 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: into this country unvetted. We don't know really who's in 501 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: this country, So we have to really take a pause 502 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 4: and go through who did we let in for the 503 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 4: last four years. So I think it's going to take 504 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 4: also a unleashed ICE. Secretary name has been remarkable in that. 505 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: But the fact is, for the last four years, Biden 506 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 4: did not allow these ICE agents to actually do their jobs. 507 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 4: They were disincentivized for making any of these arrests, whether 508 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 4: it be just illegal aliens to criminal vicious aliens like 509 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 4: these MS thirteen members, as we've mentioned before. So we 510 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: have a tall task and we've got to get these 511 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 4: arrests numbers up. But that's part of the reason why 512 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 4: Secretary Nome is on the ground on a weekly basis 513 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 4: with our enforcement officers from Border and Protection Patrol and 514 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 4: from ICE to make sure that we're getting them the 515 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 4: resources they need to be successful to get these arrests 516 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 4: numbers up and to make sure they're safe on the job. 517 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk about detention detainers that the ICE needs in 518 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: the court systems. They need these courts to alert them 519 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: when they have somebody in custody that is clearly needs 520 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: to be deported. We still are seeing activists that are 521 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: not allowing for that to happen. How big of an 522 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: issue is that going to be moving forward, and is 523 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: there more than the White House can do to stop 524 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: that from being a thing. 525 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Department of Justice under Attorney General 526 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 4: Pam Bondi is definitely looking at options with these sanctuary cities. 527 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 4: Like you mentioned, if ICE isn't able to lodge these 528 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 4: detainers against these criminal aliens, that they could be released 529 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 4: into American communities and go out and commit the same act. Actually, 530 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, Secretary Nome was in New 531 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 4: York City and a lot of listeners will probably remember 532 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 4: this really heinous crime at Coney Island, the subway station 533 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: there where this illegal immigrant lit this woman on fire 534 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 4: and killed her. It was incredibly depraved. ICE tried to 535 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 4: lodge a detainer, and we are not sure if that's 536 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 4: going to be honored. So we don't know if and 537 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: when this guy will get out, But if he's not, 538 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 4: he could be released back into New York even though 539 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 4: he's in this country illegally. That's the kind of case 540 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 4: is we have to end. And that's why, I mean, 541 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 4: case in point, why sanctuary cities are so so dangerous. 542 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: Final question for you on moving forward The next one 543 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: hundred days. What do you expect the headlines to be 544 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: from this administration on this issue? Obviously the border secure, 545 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: we can check that box. We're doing more, But where 546 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: is this going to go and what can the American 547 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: people expect. 548 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 4: I think you're going to see ramped up deportation numbers. 549 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 4: I think you're going to see more agreements with third 550 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: party countries. Whether you'll see that with Al Salvador, that 551 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: they're taking some of our most vicious, worse, the worst 552 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 4: criminal aliens. I think you're going to see more of 553 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 4: that from other countries to make sure that these guys 554 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 4: are off of Americans oil and take and take part 555 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 4: in getting their their folks folks back. I also think 556 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 4: we're going to see more you know, we're going to 557 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 4: see more action with these the courts and some of 558 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 4: these activist judges. But we're not going to let it 559 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 4: stop us. We have deportation flights going almost every single day, 560 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 4: and alien a Numies Act is only one tool in 561 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 4: our arsenal. We have a lot of authorities to get 562 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 4: these people out of the country. 563 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: It's incredible. You guys are doing great work. Your boss 564 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: is doing great work as well. 565 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: It's nice to have leadership at the Department of Home 566 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: in Security that actually knows who the bad guys are 567 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: and they're willing to go after them. Chrisha mcglofflin. She 568 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: is the Assistant Secretary Department of Homelandsecurity. Always a pleasure, 569 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. 570 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 4: It's not honor. Thank you.