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Speaker 2: say any names, but you know, I was a client

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Speaker 2: And he said, do you know who you're talking to?

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Speaker 2: I'll beat your ass. I said, wait a second, bro,

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Speaker 2: I'm too old to be fighting. I'm a grown man. Bro,

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Speaker 2: I'm not fighting you. It's not happening.

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Speaker 1: I'm fifty something years old, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh both bays.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Everybody on Peanut Tillman and this is the NFL Player's

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Speaker 3: Second Act podcast and with me as always as my

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Speaker 3: trust he co hosts Roman Harper. I ain't got nothing good. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad I changed it up.

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Speaker 1: He swapped.

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Speaker 3: He swapped out his shirt on me because the other

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Speaker 3: one got a little mus did he stink?

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Speaker 1: So he put a new clean shirt on. You stamped

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Speaker 2: So the first time I gotta admit this and that

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Speaker 2: hardly ever happens. But I'm really excited about our next guest,

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Speaker 2: his highly successful brother right here.

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Speaker 1: Man, He's won a lot.

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Speaker 2: I really want to look back and ask him a

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Speaker 2: lot of questions and dive into his not only his

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Speaker 2: as well, where he's really killing it. We're also good

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Speaker 2: to hear a little bit more about his charity and

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Speaker 2: his foundation work that he's doing here in the city

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Speaker 2: of Miami. So go ahead, Peanut.

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Speaker 3: Eleven year vet, he won the Super Bowl two times twice.

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Speaker 3: He won two national championships at the University of Miami.

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Speaker 3: He is the president of Rosenhouse Sports, and he is

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Speaker 3: hosts a podcast called Baillion Buck. Ladies and gentlemen, please

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Speaker 3: welcome to the pod, mister Robert Bailey.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful to be here. The unodos face intro's indicative of

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Speaker 3: It when we was talking about Scarface out, so I

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Speaker 1: It was good enough, It was good. You did a

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Speaker 1: good job. How is your Spanish? Can you not not?

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Speaker 1: Not too good? You know? My my wife is Venezuelan

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Speaker 1: No, none of that. She's she just speaks cuss and

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Speaker 3: All my other intros were that's not what I said,

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Speaker 2: Robert, tell me about this though, man, early on in

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Speaker 2: your life, So you moved from Barbados to Miami when

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Speaker 1: How did you have to change. Well, coming from Barbados,

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Speaker 1: For me, the answer comes down to how many guys

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Speaker 3: That's a great story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll be right back all dbs here.

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Speaker 3: Randy Moss, and Marvin Harrison Hall of Fame Marvin. I'm sorry, guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm meant to give your h o F in front

437
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Speaker 3: of their names. That's the title. Who is your top

438
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Speaker 3: receiver that you had to cover?

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Speaker 1: You know? A receiver that I thought could catch a

440
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Speaker 1: touchdown on me one out of every three tries? Was

441
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Speaker 1: I remember I saw I played a part of my

442
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: career played for Detroit. So I played against Randy twice

443
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Speaker 1: a year, and I thought Randy was so good. I

444
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Speaker 1: thought Randy was so good. I said, if they even

445
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Speaker 1: knew that he would catch the ball one out of

446
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Speaker 1: three times on me, for a time, if he just

447
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: ran three goal routes, he's going to catch one every

448
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Speaker 1: three times. I said, they knew that, they you know,

449
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Speaker 1: they would it would they would just throw because he

450
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: was so fast. His gait was so long. When I'm running,

451
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Speaker 1: I'm quick, but I'm not super fast. For every maybe

452
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Speaker 1: five steps, all he took was two steps. I just

453
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: thought his stride and his reach was second to none.

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Speaker 1: And so for me, I played against Jerry Rice. Now, granted,

455
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: Jerry was maybe on the back end of his career

456
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Speaker 1: a little bit, and so I didn't I didn't feel

457
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Speaker 1: I just felt like Randy was Randy was definitely faster

458
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Speaker 1: than Jerry. And Randy went up for the ball Jerry.

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Speaker 1: If you really watch a lot of Jerry's catches, you

460
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Speaker 1: don't really see him going up for the ball. He's

461
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Speaker 1: always catching the ball running towards the end zone. Randy

462
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: jumps up for the ball and he and there was

463
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Speaker 1: nothing I could do. There's I'm five to ten again.

464
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Speaker 1: As if the quarterback throws the ball in the right position,

465
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Speaker 1: one out of every three tries, he would score every time.

466
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Speaker 1: And so Randy's won two and three. For me, I

467
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: played against a lot of great receivers. Michael Irvin was

468
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Speaker 1: also great, and I played against him in college, against

469
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Speaker 1: him in college in practice, but he was also you know,

470
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Speaker 1: he had developed into something else in in the NFL.

471
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Speaker 1: I think he had win another level. But I still

472
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Speaker 1: I still put Randy as as in my mind one

473
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Speaker 1: of the greatest receivers are the greatest receiver that I

474
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Speaker 1: had ever me personally, that I had ever experienced in

475
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Speaker 1: my career. I just thought he was he was just amazing.

476
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Speaker 1: I talked to the safety, hey, get my back every

477
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Speaker 1: every play that hey, man, Randy's over here. I'm looking

478
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Speaker 1: at the safety. I'm pointing at Randy.

479
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: Is just I was teammates with guys who played safety

480
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: and they were literally like, dude, when young Randy Moss

481
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Speaker 2: was in the league, like literally you had to have

482
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Speaker 2: a safety over the exactly or he was like no chance,

483
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Speaker 2: there's no chance.

484
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Speaker 1: He was like he was like he was.

485
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: Running literally slapped by everybody, and you put another guy

486
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Speaker 2: back there, just hoping the quarterbacks wouldn't throw it right

487
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: because to be through it, he still might catch it.

488
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Speaker 1: If you watch the New England Randy Moss, there were

489
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Speaker 1: times that Tom Brady threw the ball and Randy was

490
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Speaker 1: double covered.

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Speaker 2: Many times, yes, and he still caught the ball many times,

492
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Speaker 2: Like a lot of throws that Tom Brady threw him,

493
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Speaker 2: Randy was not open, but Randy attacked the ball.

494
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Speaker 1: They had a great they had great chemistry together. Randy.

495
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Speaker 1: I thought Randy and Tom Brady had the best chemistry

496
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Speaker 1: in his career. No slight to any of the Minnesota

497
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Speaker 1: Viking quarterbacks. I just thought they had great chemistry, and

498
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: Randy played harder with Tom. I just thought he played

499
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: harder for Tom. I would agree. And a lot of

500
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: the balls, if you go watch, they're contested by a

501
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: safety in the corner, and Randy always beat.

502
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Speaker 3: Him that hand.

503
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, hence hence you know, moss in.

504
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Speaker 3: Them hot hand?

505
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Do you all right?

506
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Speaker 2: So you won two Super Bowls? You're blessed enough to

507
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Speaker 2: do that. Which was your favorite? Was it with the

508
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: Cowboys where they beat the Steelers twenty seven to seventeen?

509
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: Or Super Bowl thirty five when you were with the

510
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Speaker 2: Rave Raves.

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Speaker 1: So so they're both a little bit different. The Ravens

512
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Speaker 1: we had the best defense, bar none, in the history

513
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: of the game. Yes, let's just put that out there.

514
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Speaker 3: I think better than eighty five Bears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if you go look at how many

516
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: points allowed, Yeah you can can somebody look up how

517
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: many points were allowed in the from the time the

518
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: season started to the Super Bowl. I think we allowed

519
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five points total from the beginning

520
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: to the end. I don't think the Bears had that.

521
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Speaker 1: And so in my mind, I think it's about giving.

522
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Speaker 1: I think it's about scores allowed absolutely, So for determine

523
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Speaker 1: whether you're the best. If you're the best defense, you're

524
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: not gonna allow many po We gooseg many teams. There

525
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: are a few teams that didn't get past the fifty.

526
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Speaker 3: Fact, like, I'm offended by this. I I wasn't on

527
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: the team in eighty five. I didn't say eighty five years.

528
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: I said even the I'm just like, okay.

529
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: But so in that regard, I played on the greatest

530
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: defense in the history of football, and I and I

531
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, I respect that team. I we had an

532
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: amazing run. The tough part is that we didn't have

533
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Speaker 1: a good offense. So the defense won the Super Bowl.

534
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: Our offense just, you know, just managed. You know. We

535
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Speaker 1: had Trent Dilfer, who was a He was smart at

536
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: managing the game and knew not to put us in

537
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Speaker 1: a bad position. But the Cowboys was just special. Yeah.

538
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: We had Michael Irvin. Yep, we had Dion Sanders, We

539
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: had Emmitt Smith, we had Troy Aiightman. We had that year,

540
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 1: the entire offensive line went to the Pro Bowl. The

541
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Speaker 1: entire office a line, including the tight end, was at

542
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I think we broke the record for

543
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Speaker 1: the amount of Pro Bowlers. The season was electrifying. Every

544
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: time we went anywhere, we were like rock stars with

545
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: cameras and lights and action. And coming home it's just

546
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: like the entire season was like being with the Beatles.

547
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: If to give you a comparison, it's like being with

548
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: the Beatles and coming off the plane and going to

549
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: the stadium and performing in and get back. When I

550
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: was with the Ravens, it was more like showing up

551
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: to town to demolish a building. Right we're they're calling

552
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: the eight team to come in. There's a building. We

553
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: come in with hard hats. We're the best team knows

554
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: how to demolish this building without without you know, damaging

555
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: the buildings around. That's how I look at both of

556
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: these teams. So I would you know, I had I

557
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: had the most fun with the Cowboys, but I respect

558
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I respect the greatness of our defense at the Ravens.

559
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about injuries. I think my last

560
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: play was and I was in Carolina, was running to

561
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: the ball, No one touched me. I just tore my

562
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: ACL and just boom. That was my last play. So

563
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: you're playing with the Ravens, you're playing against the Lions,

564
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one Thanksgiving Day, talk to us

565
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: about the injury that happened on that play.

566
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Speaker 1: Let's go back some years. Some years back. I was

567
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: with the Rams and I was playing against Washington. I

568
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: can't remember. Brian Mitchell was running the ball and I

569
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: was coming up to make a tackle who was a

570
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Speaker 1: running back, and I hit him with my head on

571
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Speaker 1: his thigh. He's a big boy, and you know, I'm

572
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: trying to hit him in his legs, but his thigh

573
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: comes up and hits me in my head and I

574
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: feel I literally feel my net. You know your neck

575
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: has a curvature in it. I literally feel it, like

576
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Speaker 1: go the other way. And I run off the field

577
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: hole in my neck and I say to the trainer,

578
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: I said, man, I think I broke my neck. I

579
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: think something happened with my net. This is probably in

580
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: the early nineties. He told me, get your ass back,

581
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: get your ass back in the game. We'll deal with

582
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: We'll deal with this another time. So I went back

583
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: in the game and I played, but I knew so

584
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I did something to my net. So I kept playing,

585
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: got back to the facility. They didn't do any MRIs

586
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: or anything, just kind of played out the season. School, yeah,

587
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: old school played out the season.

588
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: But I damaged my neck then, so then I'm in

589
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: you know, now I'm at the lines, I'm playing against

590
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: the Packers, and I make a tackle and I feel

591
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: my neck do the same thing.

592
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: But at this point my arm was went numb a

593
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: little bit, felt the stinger, and I just laid there.

594
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: And by this time, now they are doing MRIs and

595
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: they are they're.

596
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: Gonna come get you. They say changed, Yeah, the times

597
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: have changed.

598
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: They come to get me. You know, I don't even

599
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: remember they took me, and I don't remember the rest

600
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: of the game. It took me to go get an

601
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: MRI and the doctor looks at my MRI and says,

602
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, one tackle and you're you're gonna be paralyzed.

603
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: You're you know. I had spine the spine of whatever

604
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: they call it, where there's narrowing of the spinal.

605
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: Cord, and I had two bulgeon disc and a bunch

606
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: of different things that obviously.

607
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Had linger from that one play, right.

608
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: You don't get you don't get narrowing of the spine

609
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: from one play, right, So that that was probably, I

610
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: would say, from years earlier, and the damage that happened,

611
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: and it's kind of light healing. But but yeah, then

612
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: I started having spasms in my neck and spasms down

613
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: my arm, and I retired literally that week I retired.

614
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: I didn't retire, but I stopped playing. And they knew

615
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: at the end of the year I was going to retire,

616
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: so they took me on. They kept me on the

617
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: on the roster. I would travel with the team. I would,

618
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: you know, sit with the guys. I'm now in my

619
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Speaker 2: I'm not thirty one years old. They're already calling me,

620
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: oh man, that type of thing.

621
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Speaker 1: Well you're thirty three, However I was, And I just

622
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: remember at the end of the season, you know, you know,

623
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Speaker 1: telling the guys you retire, and telling the guys thanks,

624
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: and and I'm telling you guys, man, probably I probably

625
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: for eight years later I had issues with my neck

626
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: and my arms and it probably took a decade before

627
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: I started feeling better.

628
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Speaker 3: That was literally My next question was like, what was

629
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Speaker 3: that recovery process? Like just time then?

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Speaker 1: So there was no.

631
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Speaker 3: Surgery, no, like all right, look I want you to

632
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: do just you retired with.

633
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Speaker 1: No surgery, just a bunch of injections to try to

634
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Speaker 1: get the swelling and the inflammation down. And that's like

635
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: old school, yeah yeah, no, and then oh yeah, and

636
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: then you know, I became one of those guys that

637
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: every day I'm cracking my neck trying to get the

638
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: spasm to stop, you know. And so and this was

639
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: after the Reggie Brown broke his neck. You know, me

640
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: and him played on the lines. So the attention to

641
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: the neck in trees. Reggie Reggie is a good friend

642
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: of mine, the linebacker who broke his neck and his

643
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: career ended uh on the Lion's football field at home.

644
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: And I was there, you know, on the field with

645
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: him when the ambulance came. And and so when I

646
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: hurt my neck, you know, they were they were very

647
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: much prepared for to get me off and take care

648
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: of me, and they did a great job. I fortunately

649
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: could walk off.

650
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: And I didn't. I didn't walk off. I didn't have

651
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Speaker 2: to get in an ambulance or anything like that.

652
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, for the next decade, I had a lot

653
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: of neck issues. And and then after about a decade,

654
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: I started started feeling better where the spasm started to

655
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: stop coming and the injections helped. And so so tell

656
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: me this. So you you you retire shortly after, right.

657
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: And how do you know at what point do you

658
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: start to say, Okay, this is what I'm going to

659
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: do next? Well, because it got forced upon you, and

660
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: you said it took you a long time to kind

661
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: of right your recovery process, right, So it's not just physical,

662
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 2: it's mental as well.

663
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: Right, one hundred. So you're talking about the agent being

664
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: an agent. Yes, okay, so I retired, Well, if you

665
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: want to kind of walk me through that, like, right,

666
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: So I so I retired in in January, right, because

667
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: we weren't even in you know, we ain't in the

668
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: playoffs or nothing. So I retired in January and kind

669
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: of was going through just I knew I wasn't going

670
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: to play again. So two months later around in March,

671
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: my agent at the time, Drew Rosenhaus, wanted to meet

672
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: with me and just talk about how you're doing. How's

673
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: the nact sort sort of thing. We met and and

674
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: then him and his brother just just asked me, hey, man,

675
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: you know, we love what you've done in football. You

676
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: know you you're a real cerebral player, You're sociable, you

677
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: you've helped us get get guys in the past, and

678
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, we want you to come work for us

679
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: and be an agent, because in my mind, I'm like,

680
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm gonna take some time now, I'm gonna

681
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: start maybe I'm gonna go into medicine, right, And so

682
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: then I said, well, you know, what do you guys?

683
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: What do you guys? You know, what does this look like?

684
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: They kind of gave me an overview of how they

685
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: wanted to expand the agency and how I would fit in,

686
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: And five years later I became the president of the company.

687
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: You know, So from that moment, from their offer to

688
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, five years later and kind of changing a

689
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: few things based on my experience as a football player

690
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: and what the needs of football players are and you know,

691
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: having a focus on life after football and making sure

692
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: that our guys we started building that program in our

693
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: agency to help guys with life after football. Helped really

694
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: change the direction of our agency and and and helping

695
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: guys and helping them with their careers. And we really

696
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: we really took off as an agency. There were we were,

697
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: they were already very good. But I just think that,

698
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: you know, the relationship of the player agent relationship within

699
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: our company, I thought that that that needed to be

700
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: expanded on. And then as I mentioned life after Football,

701
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: helping guys with life after football, being instrumental in that.

702
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: And and you know, it's now twenty five years as

703
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: an agent, and we've done a lot of amazing, amazing things.

704
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: We've negotiated over fifteen billion dollars in deals. And how

705
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: many fifteen billion? Okay with a B And yeah.

706
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: He said he's at fifteen that's that cry.

707
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I heard it.

708
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: You did it kind of slid under this little ugly rug.

709
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: We got a fifteen billion.

710
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: By the way, you guys, you guys should do comedy,

711
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: Like like you guys should do comedy. You guys are

712
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: pretty good, but you should do it as a team. Yeah,

713
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: both of you. We're definitely a team. So I hosted

714
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: this podcast by myself and I was terrible. I was

715
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: just like, I need you need help.

716
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: I need help, Like and I'm I'm not afraid to

717
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: say I need help. I tried it, I did it.

718
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: I failed miserably. Then I was like, I need I

719
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: need mister uh magoo white here, old guy right here.

720
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Speaker 1: He yes, my work.

721
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Speaker 3: I don't even want to say work husband, that just

722
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: sounds we're a work wife. But Yeah, this is this

723
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: is my ace boone Coon, this is my guy right here.

724
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 3: We we get Yeah, I appreciate he's you.

725
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: Know a lot of people. You know a lot of people.

726
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: You know. We had a lot of debates on did

727
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: Bill need Tom? Did Tom need Bill? And I just,

728
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: I just I'm a firm believer that Tom wouldn't be

729
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: Time without Bill. I don't care what you say. Tom

730
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: would not be Tom, would I Bill and Bill ain't

731
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: Bill and Bill as we're seeing today, Maybe he ain't

732
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: Bill without.

733
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 3: Tom, but I would agree.

734
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: But I believe Tom owes his career to Bill. So

735
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: Tom did his job. But I believe Bill's influence, which

736
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: is kind of like you too, you Sprinkle, I think

737
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: you're I think you're a good podcaster, and as you

738
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: you've given him a lot of credit for helping you

739
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: become a good podcast. Oh.

740
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely, He's helped me get my reps because I've seen

741
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: how Room started and then how he just kind of transcended.

742
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: And then there were certain things that I just did,

743
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: but I didn't prepare for as much as him. Then

744
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: I saw him, I was like I need to do Yeah,

745
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: I need to do that. So I've definitely learned from him,

746
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: and he's giving me some tips and just advice like no,

747
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: when you do this, bro, do this right here, do this.

748
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: So now you sound like me saying Bro, I know

749
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: I imitate you. Yeah, you live in my head, rent free.

750
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: But just listening to him, and I appreciate him. I

751
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: don't want to say taking me under his wing, but

752
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: just the stuff that he's learned because he does studio

753
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: and live TV all the time. And I'm like, all right,

754
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: look check it. You need to eat the mic, all right,

755
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: so look your camera is right over here, and then

756
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: you look over there, and then we got to cut up,

757
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: like I'm not a rookie tool, but I got you.

758
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: Yes, I will, I will listen to you.

759
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: I will stay green.

760
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a minute.

761
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: I want to know this because you said it just

762
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: a short five years but became president, so like Drew

763
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: was your my agent, and then so.

764
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 1: You take that and.

765
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: Then like what did you do to all of a

766
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: sudden say you know what, I don't want to be

767
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: an agent, I want to be the president, or like

768
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: how did that go about?

769
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: Well, I'm still an agent. I'm the president of the company.

770
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm still an agent. I still do agent duties, but

771
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: I oversee a different departments and make sure that our

772
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: different departments are activated. Beutiful players. Right. So Drew the

773
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: Drew is the CEO and the founder of our agency.

774
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: Jason Rosenhel's their two brothers. So, Jason was in college

775
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: as a CPA, becoming a CPA. Drew is at Duke

776
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: as this, he left university in Miami, went to Duke

777
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: for law school. While at Duke, he calls Jason and says,

778
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: did you know him at Miami? Yes, So you guys

779
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: were friends in Miami.

780
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: Jason and I were in class together, said Jason, and

781
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: I is perfect grammar and Drew right.

782
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: And Drew was a senior when I was a freshman.

783
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: So when i'm so as I'm going through University of Miami.

784
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: Drew then graduates and goes on to Duke. But in

785
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: his mind, he was in his mind he wanted to

786
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: be an agent. He was Michael Irvin's tutor. So as

787
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin's tutor.

788
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: Michael Irvin's tutor, or he was just doing Michael class.

789
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter, does itn't matter?

790
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. But Michael Irvin because Drew helped him.

791
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin helped Drew become an agent by telling his

792
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: agent to give Drew an internship. I like that, all right,

793
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: So not many people know this. So Drew then goes

794
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: off to Duke and for his first year at Duke,

795
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: he's working with Michael Irvin's agent. See some things that

796
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: he didn't like that the agent was doing, so he decides,

797
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: I want to break off by myself. Gotcha. So while

798
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: he's in law school at Duke, he registers to become

799
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: an agent and then starts recruiting Robert Massey, who is

800
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: a corner that came from I think North Carolina's Middle

801
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: something a small school. I forgot, I'm forgetting. But he

802
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: recruited Robert mass who who was drafted to the Saints.

803
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: And so while you was in law school, he negotiates

804
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: Robert Massey's contract and ESPN records it and shows it

805
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: on TV, the actual negotiations. So that's how Drew got started.

806
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: He gives a lot of credit to Michael Irvin for

807
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: starting his career. I like that. I'm now at University

808
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: of Miami. Coming through University of Miami. Jason has befriended me,

809
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: so that was his way of recruiting me. But Drew tells, Jason,

810
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: you're no longer going to be an accountant, You're going

811
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: to be my partner. Jason says, Okay, I got Robert

812
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: Bailey at University of Miami, So then I signed with

813
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: those guys because you know the other agents, I just knew.

814
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: I just knew that they were extremely intelligent. Like Drew,

815
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: Drew knows every player in the NFL. He knows their name,

816
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: he knows what colleges they came from, he knows what

817
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: round they were drafted does, and he knows how they

818
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: got to that team.

819
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: I was shocked when he actually, like when I met

820
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: him and he said, what's up to me?

821
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Because he knows everything, and he'll know your background. He

822
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: knows what school you went, he knows around, he knows

823
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: what your pluses and minuses are. So that's what Drew does.

824
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: Drew has a photographic memory. Jason is the numbers guy.

825
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: He's a he's a he's a numbers guy. The first

826
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: he wrote a book for Jeremy Shockey and Rob Gronkowski,

827
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: and the first book he wrote he was a New

828
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: York Times bestseller. First book, first book there, so there,

829
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: so I knew. So I picked them just based on

830
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: their brilliance there. There were geniuses, you know. Once I

831
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: compared them to the other agents that that I interviewed with.

832
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: So I picked them, and I'm now maybe there or

833
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: fourth client at this point, and and just went through

834
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: my whole career with them, and you know, they signed

835
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: Warren sapp Obviously, Miami was the hotbed. They're living Miami.

836
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: It was a way for them to really grow their agency,

837
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: and so we became very close. And during my time

838
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL, I helped them get guys while I'm playing.

839
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: So I'm helping them get guys while I'm playing. And

840
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: then I retire, and that's when they come to me

841
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: and and and then I start working with them. And

842
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: five years after I started working with them, they made

843
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: me the president of the company. And so then we

844
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: started to I started to build out our market and

845
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: build out our PR, build out our community relations department,

846
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, life after football, and that's how the agency

847
00:47:54,040 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: really expanded. We signed some guys like Tommy haw Are

848
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: some great players like Tommy. He signed some great players

849
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: like Wile and some other guys around the league and

850
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: helped us really it really helped us grow. But my

851
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: relationship with them was different than Drew's relationship with them

852
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: because I'm a former player. I'm talking a lot to

853
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: these guys about marketing. I'm talking to about life after football.

854
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: What do you guys want to do? You know, I

855
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: was working very closely with the NFLPA and the programs

856
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: that they had. They got a lot of programs, so

857
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: and back then they didn't really know how to connect

858
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: with the players because social media wasn't around.

859
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: You know, you had to play a rep. But other

860
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: than that, word of mouse is not always.

861
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: Good, right. So I was a guy that always spoke

862
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: to Angela Menela because I don't know if you guys

863
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: remember that name, but it was a lady that was

864
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: in the Union and she worked on the marketing side

865
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: of the union. And I would always talk to her

866
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: about different marketing opportunities and what partnerships the Union had

867
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: with Corporate America. And so I would always for me,

868
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl was big. Guys come to the Super Bowl,

869
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: and I had such a great relationship that I would

870
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: get special. Hey, here's the deal sheet. Put your guys

871
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: in these different put whoever you want. And so I

872
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: would fill up the deal sheet. Right, So this company

873
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: is going to be here on you know, Thursday night

874
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: before the Super Bowl. They're having to party. They're paying

875
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: guys two thousand to show up at this So I

876
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: would just add guys into the sheet. Because of my relationship.

877
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: I was a big relationship.

878
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: Guy, and so that's how I ended up building the

879
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: agency and kind of you know, so we ended up,

880
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, as I mentioned, fifteen billion dollars in deals

881
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: and representing you know, multiple Hall of famers.

882
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: And you know, Drew is you know, fifty something years old.

883
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: He's and I think he's he's been in the NFL

884
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: longer than any general manager in the NFL today. You know,

885
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: we talked to Jeron managers and they talk about, you know,

886
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: watching Drew when he was you know, when they were

887
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: in college, watching Drew as an agent and reading Drew's

888
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: book and and but but it came with a lot

889
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: of hard work. It's a it's a tough business man.

890
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: A lot of people think it's just fun and games,

891
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: going to games, going to football games, it's not. You know,

892
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: you're not there just to watch the game. You're there

893
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: to watch the player, make sure he doesn't get injured.

894
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: He gets injured, then you got to get second opinion,

895
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: and you know, then you got to call the team.

896
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: Maybe you know a guy the guys got a year

897
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: or two left on his deal. He's trying to get

898
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: an extension. You know, all these different things. You're building,

899
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: You're planting seeds, you're letting the seeds grow, You're sending

900
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: out emails, You're you know, you're signing guys. You're signing

901
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, rookies, you're signing vets. It's a lot to

902
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: this business if you want to be successful in it.

903
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: And we have been in it a long time and

904
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: there are a lot of agencies that are gone, man,

905
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: that I remember from back in the day.

906
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: Kudos to you all for your hard work and sinacity

907
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: of just of going through. I definitely know what I'm

908
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: having conversations with my agent, so yeah, I definitely remember

909
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: some of those those hardships. What was your welcome to

910
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 3: the Oh, I'm in the sports agent world. I just

911
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 3: made a mistake, Like what's what's what was I'm an agent? Like, oh, damn,

912
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: this is the NFL. What happs? I'm like, damn, I

913
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: could have got them ten million, but I only got

914
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 3: them five.

915
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: Oops, No, I got that was none of my nothing

916
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: like that. I think my welcome to the agent business

917
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: moment was was when one of my clients told me

918
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: he was gonna beat my ass. Okay, well my clients

919
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: told me he was gonna beat my ass. I'm not

920
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: going to say any names needed, but you know, I

921
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: was a client had a meeting and I called him

922
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: and it was the meeting time had already passed and

923
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: he was take his time, and I say, hey, man,

924
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: you got to be more professional. He's still at the house,

925
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: you know. And he said, do you know who you're

926
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: talking to? I'll beat your ass. I said, wait a second, bro,

927
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: I'm too old to be fighting. I'm a grown man. Bro,

928
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm not fighting you. It's not happening. I'm fifty something

929
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: years old, you know.

930
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: Oh at that well it was I think I was

931
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: forty something years old.

932
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: And I said, bro, I'm not fighting, that's not happening.

933
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: And that was my moment when.

934
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: I said, like, these guys really like on another level

935
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: of like, and their mentality is is not It's not

936
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: like the business level, you know what I mean, It's

937
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: just like you work for me, and it's not what

938
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: you say is what I say, You know what I mean?

939
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: And I realized at that moment that I have to

940
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: my delivery has to be different moving forward. I have

941
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 2: to make them think that they're winning, but I still

942
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: have to get my point across rather than make them

943
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: feel like I'm bereating them. You know, it's a it's

944
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a it's a special ego that

945
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: NFL players. We have, enough players have while we're playing

946
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: in order to play the game right.

947
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys feel like you're a lot calmer now.

948
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: I think you would say you were different now than

949
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: you were when you played.

950
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 3: Definitely calmer for sure.

951
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when I played, Like when people talk about

952
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: different moments that happened in my career, I always say

953
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: I was a different person back then.

954
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know some of the hits. Now I watch football,

955
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh wow, I did that.

956
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean? And so I just

957
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, I just I just have to you know,

958
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 1: as I'm older, and i'm and I'm I'm an agent

959
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: now and I'm dealing with players now with different egos

960
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: that are now during this time social media, because social

961
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: media also builds up your ego. Right, So I'm dealing

962
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: with a lot of people that have followers and that

963
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: they feel like they're the man and that they you know,

964
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I should still be getting twenty million. It's no longer

965
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: about what's on the field. It's about how.

966
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 2: Many followers and how how special I am, how many

967
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, how influential I am in social media that they.

968
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: Feel this this power.

969
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: A different generation.

970
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: It's a different generation. Yeah, well football players, it's.

971
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 3: A different generation. Well, I appreciate you dealing with the

972
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: riff rafts and the generation and better you than me

973
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: because I couldn't do it. You say you're gonna book

974
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: my ass on a I'm a man first role. So

975
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: when I played, you know, my daughter she got sick.

976
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: As a result of that, she has some hard struggles,

977
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: some herd issues. We started a foundation, right, So I've

978
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: been running this foundation. We help kind of create chronically

979
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: and critically ill children throughout the great Chicago area. Rome

980
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 3: when he played, he had a foundation. I remember going

981
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: to a couple of year things helping out some kids

982
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 3: in the Charlotte area. Right, you, sir, have a foundation

983
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: and it's called Kennedy Kids. Yes, talk to us or

984
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: tell us why is this foundation so important too?

985
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: This foundation is it's my life. My daughter's name was

986
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: Kennedy Bailey. In twenty twenty two, she passed from suicide.

987
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: Sorry here I appreciate it. We we as a family devastation,

988
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: not only immediate family, extended family, friends, everyone. You know,

989
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: my daughter fifteen years old, through this age of social

990
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: media Internet, her and her boyfriend broke up. Five days later,

991
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: she's gone. She took pills and so through the through

992
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: the dark jungle that that puts you through, right, you

993
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: got to figure a way out. And I decided to

994
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: spend my time and my energy and those feelings in

995
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: a positive way. So we started a foundation to help

996
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: kids with mental health and suicide prevention. Since then, that

997
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty two, it's now twenty twenty five.

998
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: We've partnered with Nicholas Children's Hospital. We have a program

999
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: with them in the summertime to help kids during the

1000
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: summer go to the Nicholas Children's Hospital. It's a summer camp.

1001
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: Instead of this summer camp having regular counselors, they have therapists, right,

1002
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: so they're doing summer camp things, but the people around

1003
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: them are actual therapists that are working with these kids

1004
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: that have gone through the hospital they're Baker acted or

1005
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: they just went to the hospital for therapy and so

1006
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: forth and so on. And then we have other partnerships

1007
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: with Brave and Discovery. These are these are companies that

1008
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: have therapists. We do events in in the community for awareness.

1009
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: We it's just you know, fund funding. We do events

1010
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: where we're you know, taking doing different events for funding,

1011
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: raise money for because in order to run these programs,

1012
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: you have to have the funds. So we do these programs,

1013
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: we raise funds. We we we put out you know,

1014
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: information on suicide prevention, on mental health, and you know,

1015
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: we've saved over a dozen kids since we started. And

1016
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: it's a very dear organization to me, and I'm extremely

1017
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: extremely excited for what we got coming in the future.

1018
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's named after my daughter, and you know,

1019
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: that's that's what drives me.

1020
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: That tell me this. I was reading a book this year.

1021
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: I've been reading this book in it always talks about

1022
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: how you know, so ultimately you get to make the choice,

1023
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: yeah to be happy right right, and once you're happy,

1024
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: you can make somebody.

1025
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: Else happy or you can do for others.

1026
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: And so after losing a daughter like I couldn't imagine

1027
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: having to deal with that traumatic, that traumatic type of incident.

1028
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: So after that happens, you say, you're in that dark place,

1029
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: like how do you get out of it? And then

1030
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: ultimately how do you still wake up every day and

1031
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: still get to pick and choose happiness?

1032
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: Right? So that's a great question, man, and I'm happy

1033
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: that you asked that question. So Number one, therapy, you

1034
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: gotta be you got to open up to therapy, right,

1035
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: and through therapy you learn, you're introduced to a lot

1036
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: of tools that you can use and the resources that

1037
00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: you can use. If I knew then what I know now,

1038
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: my daughter would be here, right. So I just you

1039
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: just you know, you don't you don't know what you

1040
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: don't know, you know what I mean. But also understanding

1041
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: the reality of of having the opportunity to be here.

1042
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: So I'm blessed to have gone through what I went

1043
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: through with my daughter. I'm blessed to be alive. I'm blessed.

1044
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm blessed that God chose me to be here at

1045
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: this moment on this planet. Right because there were our

1046
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: ancestors before us, and there's some living spirits out there

1047
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: waiting to come, and they're waiting for some people here

1048
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: to leave, right. So I'm blessed to be here. I'm

1049
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: blessed that God gave me the opportunity to have my daughter.

1050
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: So you got to look at it from a different perspective.

1051
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, before I didn't look at it in that perspective,

1052
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: and it was hard for me to come to terms

1053
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: with losing my daughter. It's still it's still very tough,

1054
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: of course, but I'm extremely blessed that I had the

1055
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: opportunity to have a daughter and experience her for fifteen years.

1056
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: Some people have a daughter and they can only they

1057
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: only experience her for a moment. Yeah, maybe a month, maybe,

1058
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: you know, a year. I had her for fifteen years.

1059
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for God forgiving me her. I'm thankful that

1060
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: I went through that moment because I could not be

1061
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: here to even go through that moment. I'm just so blessed.

1062
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: To be here and understand that I'm thankful for my existence.

1063
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: And so I think once we realized that we got

1064
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: to be thankful for our existence, it will it will

1065
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: make accepting a lot of the journey, the tough journey,

1066
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: the part of the journey that's tough. It will help

1067
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: you understand that your journey is just what it is.

1068
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: There's a journey of life. But how can you be

1069
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: blessed to be alive but not be but not understand

1070
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: that with that comes good and bad? Right? So having

1071
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: good and bad come, you can't You can't be blessed

1072
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: about life but then be mad about the life gives you.

1073
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: You got it, you gotta you got it right, So

1074
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: so so so with that different perception that I have

1075
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: and the perspective that I have, it has it has

1076
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: helped me take steps towards the happiness that I the

1077
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Speaker 1: level of happiness that I'm at. You know, we did

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Speaker 1: a we did a talk on on my podcast it

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Speaker 1: Can you Know, the Baileyan Buck Podcast, and we talked

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Speaker 1: about we talked about where I was in my happiness

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Speaker 1: and if you you know happiness is you can you

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Speaker 1: can go from one to ten. Right, one being the

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Speaker 1: lowest and and ten being the highest. Major of the

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Speaker 1: world is between three and seven, right, majority of us

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Speaker 1: live between the range of three and seven, right. Right.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you can get to ten.

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Speaker 2: Like you have a special birthday or a child is born,

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Speaker 2: but you at some point you go back down right,

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Speaker 2: and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: You can at some point maybe get to one. Maybe

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Speaker 1: there's a family member that dies or you know, something

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Speaker 1: bad happens, but you you you got to get back

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Speaker 1: up right. So the majority is between three and seven,

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Speaker 1: you know, just losing my daughter in my on my podcast,

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Speaker 1: I said, I just don't ever see myself getting to

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Speaker 1: ten again, you know, in any situation, because it's like

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Speaker 1: there's a part of my brain that always reminds me.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like your daughters, how could you be ten?

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Speaker 2: How could you be so happy your daughter is gone? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know it's there, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to work through that part. I believe

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Speaker 2: one days, as I get more knowledge about life, that

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Speaker 2: I will get to ten.

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Speaker 1: I believe one day. But right now it's very tough.

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Speaker 1: It's been you know, it's two thousand and two, it's

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and I every talking about three

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Speaker 1: years that I've been gone, that my daughter's been gone,

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Speaker 1: And so I can't speak for the future all I

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Speaker 1: but I can say that right now ten, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: ten is very foggy and blurry right now for me.

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Speaker 2: We like to ask all of our guests this and

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Speaker 2: it's Mount Rushmore, and it's four people that have influenced

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Speaker 2: you to be who you are right now at this moment,

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Speaker 2: that has got you here of influence. So, whether it's coaches, teammates, parents, whatever,

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Speaker 2: So who is on your Mount Rushmore of influence that's

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Speaker 2: helped Robert Bailey be exactly who he is today.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great one. First of all, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have played football or or I wouldn't have been who

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Speaker 1: I became as a football player if it wasn't for

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Speaker 1: my little league coaches. I wouldn't my college coach, my

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Speaker 1: high school coach, all those they they got the product.

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Speaker 1: But my little league coaches made the product. I love that.

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Speaker 3: You don't heard that we haven't gotten little league coach coaches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the ones that grabbed me by my face mask,

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Speaker 1: you know, screaming at me so close, spit was coming

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Speaker 1: on my face. Taught me how to be tough. Get

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Speaker 1: back up. Let's run that play, Robert, You're the only

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Speaker 1: one that's gonna make the tackle. You know, all those

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Speaker 1: all those days, right, I played at a park called

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Speaker 1: Richmond Park, and it was in a tough neighborhood the

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Speaker 1: majority of of African American and some Hispanic kids, so

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Speaker 1: you didn't have time to be soft. But those coaches

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Speaker 1: really sculpted me into the player that I became through toughness.

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Speaker 1: It was it all starting in the league. So I

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Speaker 1: give they are part of that Mount Rushmore. That's one

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Speaker 1: they're They're a part of that Mount Rushmore. I would

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Speaker 1: also just growing up and and watching Mike Tyson was

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Speaker 1: and I you know, I was. I got driving to

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Speaker 1: the Rams, I got a chance to hang out with

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Speaker 1: him just because we had the same friends and we

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Speaker 1: would hang out for you know a few years. I

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Speaker 1: hung out with him and he was just he just

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Speaker 1: helped me in terms of confidence and you know, putting

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Speaker 1: fear in your opponent, and that Mike Tyson, you know,

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Speaker 1: like they talk about the Mamba mentality, there was a

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Speaker 1: Mike Tyson mentality that I that I played with. Then

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, Mike Tyson, Yeah yeah. I grew

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Speaker 1: up during that time. I grew up the All Black

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Speaker 1: all yeah. Meant Mike Tyson was was was my guy.

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Speaker 1: Then I would say in Einstein, like the Inventors, I

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Speaker 1: was I had something. I was just really intrigued about

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Speaker 1: people who invented things, and how they checked the boxes,

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Speaker 1: and how they looked at the path most taken and

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Speaker 1: decided I would I'm not going to take the path

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Speaker 1: most taken. And because of creating a new path, they

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Speaker 1: invented something that no one else in the world thought about.

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Speaker 1: Out of the millions and millions of people on the planet,

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Speaker 1: no one thought about. But that person thought about that

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Speaker 1: that moment. Hence the reason I picked up the football

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Speaker 1: and ran it back for touchdown. I always looked for

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Speaker 1: a moment to make my mark, so I knew I

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Speaker 1: made sure as I go about talking to kids, I

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Speaker 1: talk about checking the box of everything. So as long

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Speaker 1: as you check the box of every possible, you control

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Speaker 1: the controllables, right, you'll be successful. If you don't check

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Speaker 1: every box, that's where that's where failure comes. Right. So

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Speaker 1: I would say that just the inventors, the people who

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Speaker 1: infanded things, I always was I was just intrigued by

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Speaker 1: those kind of people. The other person, I would say,

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Speaker 1: the last person would be you know, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say, uh, my mother, because I think that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a standard that goes without saying. You know, Whoever

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Speaker 1: the hierarchy was in my home, which was my mother.

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Speaker 1: It's also you and Rolin Rushmore.

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Speaker 2: So whatever you want scolded and invented, how you were

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Speaker 2: an inventor one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred percent, I would, I would say. But my my

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Speaker 1: oldest brother, Richard was was a was a student that

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Speaker 1: I remember when I was seven years old. He was

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Speaker 1: he was maybe ten years old eleven, and I would

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Speaker 1: peek into his room and he was reading multiple books

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Speaker 1: at the same time. So on his bed he would

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Speaker 1: have three or four books and they were all open

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Speaker 1: and he would read them at the same time. And

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Speaker 1: I just thought that was incredible, even as a kid,

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Speaker 1: and to this day I'm fifty seven years old, I

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Speaker 1: still think it's incredible. There are people out there that

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Speaker 1: can read. You know, you read a book and you

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Speaker 1: stick with that book until you finish it.

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Speaker 2: People who read multiple books at the same time, regardless

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Speaker 2: of they're fiction or nonfiction.

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Speaker 1: That's what he did. And so he was also a

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Speaker 1: big influence on my life. And because of his success,

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Speaker 1: I felt like I had to be successful, and so

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Speaker 1: I watched him and I always wanted to be like him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and today he's the anti plastic surgeon. He's extremely successful.

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Speaker 1: He lives in Vegas and has his own practice and

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Speaker 1: does all that. But he was, you know, from within,

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Speaker 1: from within my family, he was. He was. He was

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Speaker 1: a huge influence in my life, you know, growing up

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Speaker 1: through divorce and all that. He was a steady figure

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Speaker 1: that kept me in line. Rushmore, that's awsome.

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Speaker 3: I think I could have been there, Peanut Punch.

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Speaker 2: But when you think about when you think about the inventors,

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Speaker 2: those are special people, man, they are they are if

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Speaker 2: you really think about them.

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Speaker 3: I think that was some of the most unique answers

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Speaker 3: I've ever heard, and it was awesome. Robert, you have

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Speaker 3: been one amazing guest. I appreciate it. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate your answers. They were very thoughtful and how

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Speaker 3: you spoken. It just was Yeah, I don't think we've

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Speaker 3: had a guest like that with some of your answers.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it was. That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Ben, thank you for our viewers and listeners out

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Speaker 2: the computer and just typing out all the answers to

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Speaker 2: every all your questions. And you can definitely still check

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Speaker 2: us out on the NFL page, the NFL pages, NFL's

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Correct, yeah, something like that. Check it out.

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Speaker 3: NFL player. Second Acts, I'm Peanut Tilman. That's mister Harper,

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Speaker 3: that's mister Robert.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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