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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. Sorry

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Speaker 1: for the little bit of a late start. We had

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Speaker 1: some technical difficulties. I'm Ken Rosenthal. We are here with

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Speaker 1: Alana Rizzo and Alana, it seems like your attire is

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Speaker 1: a little bit different today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, technical difficulties. I can technical difficulties, wardrobe malfunction. The

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Speaker 2: only reason Ken, I am wearing this is because I

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Speaker 2: lost a bet to Jeremy Meyer, our wonderful producer. I

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Speaker 2: am a Broncos fan. It is the Patriots that are

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Speaker 2: going to the Super Bowl, so I am a woman

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Speaker 2: of my word. I am fulfilling my bet. More on

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Speaker 2: that coming up and Dude and Dork of the week.

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Speaker 2: Much more entertaining things to talk about though, with you baseball,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about it. You had a one on one

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Speaker 2: with Mark de Rosa, manager of Team USA. How do

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Speaker 2: you see this team, Ken, for the WBC kind of

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Speaker 2: shaping up under the leadership of Mark de Rosa.

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Speaker 1: Well was I wrote in a story today, Alana. This

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Speaker 1: is the strongest WBC team the usas fielded, and this

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Speaker 1: history now and Team USA won in twenty seventeen, but

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Speaker 1: if you compare the two rosters, they're not even close.

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Speaker 1: And I go through that and story, and the biggest

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Speaker 1: thing that has changed over the years is the willingness

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Speaker 1: of superstar Major leaguers to participate in this tournament. For

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Speaker 1: a long time, understandably so, there was reluctance, why am

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Speaker 1: I disrupting my spring training. Teams were of course not

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Speaker 1: into it. They still aren't into it for the most part.

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Speaker 1: But the last WBC, the one in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: It swayed a lot of people. It swayed a lot

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Speaker 1: of fans, It swayed a lot of players. It may

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Speaker 1: have even swayed some teams to say, Okay, we get it.

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Speaker 1: For those fans out there who are critical of the WBC,

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Speaker 1: I understand. You don't want your players disrupted. You want

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Speaker 1: them simply devoted to their teams, your favorite teams. I

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Speaker 1: will only say this, watch the games, watch this sport

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Speaker 1: at its highest level. And that's what it is. When

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Speaker 1: you have all these great players from all these different

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Speaker 1: countries competing in one tournament. You see elite baseball, and

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Speaker 1: that is what we saw the last time. Just so happened.

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Speaker 1: We got a slew of dramatic games as well, So

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Speaker 1: I'm expecting that the tournament is going to be just

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Speaker 1: as much fun this year. And again Aaron Judge, cal

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Speaker 2: Really good Ken. And you know there have been some

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Speaker 2: times where we'll talk about it a little bit too.

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Speaker 2: Carlos Correa, Jose al Tuove not participating me because of

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Speaker 2: an insurance issue. But Clayton Kershaw Ken had that same

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Speaker 2: What more can you tell us about his role his

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Speaker 1: I remember Kershaw was disappointed in twenty three when he

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Speaker 1: wasn't cleared by insurance, and we'll explain that in a second, Alana,

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Speaker 1: as you said, but in this particular instance, with him

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Speaker 1: the last tournament in twenty twenty three, De Rosa explains

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Speaker 1: The Giants are asking him to take a pass on

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Speaker 1: how the risk in the WBC, while it's there, it's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a greater risk than pitching in spring training. Yes,

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Speaker 2: No question about that. You can get hurt just as

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Speaker 2: easily in spring training Ken and no one's making a

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Speaker 2: Accidents and injuries happen, But you could easily get hurt

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Speaker 2: So allow your team to play for the WBC. I

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Speaker 2: You know, these are highly paid players, and you know

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Speaker 2: it's a commodity for the team. But it's an honor

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Speaker 1: Well, what the astros are saying and what the players

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Speaker 1: If you get hurt, we'll pay you. That doesn't generally happen, No.

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Speaker 2: Channler Rome, who does a great job covering the Houston

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Speaker 2: Astros you can also see him on Crush City Territory,

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Speaker 2: had an article about what Carlos Korea was saying. Ken

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Speaker 2: You can see it here more on Chandler Rome's story

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Speaker 2: with Houston? Ken I don't want you to for Carlos Korea,

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Speaker 1: Injuries have been an issue for this team for several years.

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Speaker 2: But it is safe to say that the astros and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to Fair Territory with Ken Rosenthalis. Time now

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Speaker 2: to ask Ken some questions. The first one is in

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Speaker 2: regards to the Braves. Ken Tyler Max Switt Smith wants

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Speaker 2: All right, Ken, there's been a lot of news this week,

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Speaker 1: My dude of the week are the Washington Post sports

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Speaker 1: What is it? I am? And I'm very happy to

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Speaker 2: That's all right, It's about time. I don't like the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: That was a rant worthy of your old partner the

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Speaker 2: What are the Ends doing.

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Speaker 1: given Mariners a little bit more time before condemning them,

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Speaker 1: that's what I would say.

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Speaker 2: Okay, a little bit more time. I'm still surprised that

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Speaker 2: a U henne O Suarez is still out there on

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Speaker 2: are surprised about that as well. We didn't necessarily want

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Speaker 2: this to be a WBC preview, but there have been

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Speaker 2: some additional announcements regarding the World Baseball Classic, particularly with

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Speaker 2: Team Venezuela, Jackson Curio, Ronald Acunia Junior, will You Abray You?

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Speaker 2: And MIKEL. Garcia all going to be part of the WBC.

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Speaker 2: I love this for Team Venezuela, they have always been

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Speaker 2: a force. Again you said it earlier, but in case

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Speaker 2: you're just joining us, this is good for the game, Ken,

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Speaker 2: this is fun. You want these star players representing their countries.

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Speaker 1: And plus what we've seen over the years in the

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Speaker 1: WBC and now we're seeing from our team as well

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Speaker 1: the US team is this sense of national pride and

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Speaker 1: Akunya and Churio, these guys, the players from the Dominican Republic,

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Speaker 1: the players from all the different countries, Japan especially, perhaps

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Speaker 1: they love playing for their countries. They see it as

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Speaker 1: an obligation to play for their countries. And Paul Skeens

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Speaker 1: when he talked to Mark de Rose about playing for

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Speaker 1: Team USA, he said, you don't have to twist my arm,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to pitch me at all. I want

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Speaker 1: to play for all the servicemen and service women out there.

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Speaker 1: Paul Skeins, of course, went to the US Air Force

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Speaker 1: Academy before LSU. So there is that growing sense of

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Speaker 1: pride in playing for your country, and that is a

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Speaker 1: really cool thing to see and it adds a layer

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Speaker 1: of emotion to this tournament. That you just don't see

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Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball on a regular basis. You'll maybe

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Speaker 1: see that kind of emotion in the playoffs, of course,

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Speaker 1: but in this tournament you see it.

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Speaker 2: Every night now or Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colorado

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Speaker 2: birthplace to yours truly, Colorado Springs, Colorado. Let me ask

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Speaker 2: you this, Ken, when do you think it was the

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Speaker 2: shift of players not really caring about the WBC and

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden clamoring to be called to play.

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Speaker 1: That shift took place really with US players. There wasn't

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Speaker 1: a shift necessary with players from other countries before that.

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Speaker 1: But that twenty twenty three WBC. If you remember Trey

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Speaker 1: a go ahead Grand Slam, amazing moment, and of course

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Speaker 1: the final against Japan, when Otani came in from the

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Speaker 1: bullpen to face his then Los Angeles Angels teammate Mike

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Speaker 1: Trout and strike him out to give Japan that victory

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Speaker 1: in an amazing game, three to two Japan one. All

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Speaker 1: of that and all of the games that preceded it

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Speaker 1: that were so dramatic and so emotional and so just

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Speaker 1: electric that is what caused the shift among the US players.

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Speaker 1: The one two maybe were reluctant before suddenly they all

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Speaker 1: want it in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I'll never forget when Mike Trout

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Speaker 2: walked out holding the US flag and show Heytani walked

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Speaker 2: out wearing team holding Team Japan. That was awesome. All right,

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Speaker 2: thanks guys for watching and listening. Foul Territory is next.

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Speaker 2: Fair with Ken is back on Monday. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you then