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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful young nursing student, Lake and Riley, just twenty

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Speaker 2: two years old, beaten so viciously, her skull is actually disfigured. Tonight,

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Speaker 2: the suspect makes demands. Yes, the suspect makes demands. I'm

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. A young nursing student goes for her routine

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Speaker 2: morning jog around campus but never returns. It's so hard

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Speaker 2: to imagine that this beautiful young nursing student, dedicating her

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Speaker 2: life to helping others and the prime of her life,

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Speaker 2: just twenty two years old, goes out for a jog

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Speaker 2: and then ends up beaten so viciously, her skull is disfigured.

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Speaker 1: What more do we know? Listen, she was.

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Speaker 3: Found right next to a lake, next to the intermural fields.

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Speaker 3: And my son is a sophomore at the University of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: He actually parks there at the intermural fields.

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Speaker 3: And so around this lake is a pretty it's a

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Speaker 3: pretty normal place for students, for people in the community

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Speaker 3: of Athens, Georgia, to run around. And this was on

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Speaker 3: a Thursday morning, you right in the middle of the week,

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Speaker 3: nice weather, there at Lake Herrick and as the you know,

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Speaker 3: Uga police chief was talking about and he says, he

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Speaker 3: called this a crime of opportunity. So she went there running,

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Speaker 3: we assume by herself.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing our friend anchor, investigative reporter Jason Dennis, WTVM.

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Speaker 1: And w X t X.

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Speaker 2: Why is it that there is an epidemic of young

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Speaker 2: female joggers ending up dead?

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Speaker 1: What about Molly Timmyts? Do you remember that name? I do,

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 4: Listen, College student Mally Tibbets goes out for a jog

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Speaker 4: in Brooklyn, Iowa. Police say on a country road, Christian

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Speaker 4: Rivera sees Molly Tibbets out for her run, gets out

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Speaker 4: of his car and runs alongside Molly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about Eliza Fletcher in Memphis?

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Speaker 1: Remember that name?

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Speaker 4: Just a for four am? Eliza Fletcher is off on

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Speaker 4: her regular early morning jog. The married mother of two

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Speaker 4: kindergarten teacher is an avid runner with times good enough

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Speaker 4: to qualify for the Boston Marathon. When Fletcher doesn't return

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Speaker 4: home from her run, panic sets in. Her husband calls police.

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Speaker 4: Surveillance video shows around four thirty am, while she jogs,

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Speaker 4: she's approached by someone who forces her into a dark

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Speaker 1: Joining me from the field.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic

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Speaker 2: expert and star of Zone seven. Cheryl McCollum does it

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Speaker 2: never and Lake and Riley minding her own business, trying

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Speaker 2: to become a nurse like the nurse that saves my twins'

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Speaker 2: lives in Nick, You she can't even take a job

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Speaker 2: on a campus where you think everything is safe. Her

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Speaker 2: skull is bashed in and tonight the suspect, the chief suspect,

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Speaker 2: is making his own demands. But can we get back

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Speaker 2: to the epidemic of attacks on female joggers, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: It seems to be part of the plan to attack

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Speaker 5: these folks while they're jogging at the end of a jog,

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Speaker 5: meaning they're tired, they're fatigued. They're not going to be

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Speaker 5: able to put up a fight like they would if

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Speaker 5: they had not already been exercising. If you look at

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Speaker 5: where lake Len Riley ended up, that's at the top

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Speaker 5: of a just major heel, so she was quite possibly

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Speaker 5: extremely fatigued, even though we know he did fight that well, Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: I disagree completely.

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Speaker 2: You say this is part of a plan, which means

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Speaker 2: a thought out plan. I think they're no better than

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Speaker 2: a predator, an animal. Toseph Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 2: star of a hit series Body Bags. That Joe Scott

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Speaker 2: Morgan goes on and on and on and on. He's

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Speaker 2: a death investigator. Okay, he's handled over ten thousand death investigations,

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Speaker 2: just like Cheryl McCollum on the street every day is

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Speaker 1: These are not just talking heads.

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Speaker 2: They know what they're talking about, like the rest of

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Speaker 2: our panel. Joe Scott, I don't think this is part

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Speaker 2: of a plan. He's going to think, oh, okay, I'll

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Speaker 2: let her run twenty five minutes, then I'll try to

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Speaker 2: rape and beater skull in. This is no better than

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Speaker 1: He attacks, no thought to it, just like an animal.

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Speaker 6: Joe Scott, I think that going to this kind of

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Speaker 6: and in his case, he could only be satisfied by attacking.

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Speaker 6: And so that's going to be the planning that goes in.

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Speaker 6: And it's an you know, the chief had mentioned that

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Speaker 6: have been familiar with this area where he could track

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Speaker 6: this poor young lady and watch for that Opportunity's familiar

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Speaker 6: you be secluded. So there has to be a few

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Speaker 6: can successfully get away with this, and he almost did.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Animals, complete animals, and you know, back to you,

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, a long time colleague and the director of

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Speaker 2: the Cold Case Research Institute. You know where I was

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Speaker 2: this entire weekend this past weekend. I was out looking

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Speaker 2: at colleges and universities for my children, John, David and

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Speaker 2: Lucy Lynch and every place that Lucy liked. She's just

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Speaker 1: All I could think about.

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Speaker 2: I looked down each alleyway and each walkway, and they'd

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Speaker 2: be beautiful with live oaks and blah, blah blah. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I could think about it's Lincoln Riley and my girl.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what do we have to do to stop

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Speaker 2: people like this guy.

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Speaker 5: One of the main things that stuck out for me

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Speaker 5: when I walked this scene and you sent me to

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Speaker 5: Athens was Lakeland did everything right, and so did her roommate.

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Speaker 5: It was broad daylight, there were people all around. She

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Speaker 5: parked at a known place with the band practices. Was

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Speaker 5: not alone there. Even when I was there days after

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Speaker 5: kayaks in the pond and late. This was not a

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Speaker 5: place that was secluded and way off the beaten path

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Speaker 5: where she took a great risk. There was only a

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Speaker 5: small portion of this entire place where you were, you know,

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Speaker 5: had woods all around you, and where he could drag

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Speaker 5: her off of the pathway there into the woods and as.

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Speaker 1: The crow flies.

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Speaker 5: If you are where her body was found, it is

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Speaker 5: a straight shot to his apartment. And I'm going to

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Speaker 5: tell you again he picked this spot. He knew somebody,

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Speaker 5: some unsuspected victim, was going to come.

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Speaker 1: By my place.

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Speaker 2: You're giving him so much credits, total bs.

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Speaker 1: He didn't pick anything.

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Speaker 2: He probably waited until she was near some trees, put

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Speaker 2: no more thought into it than that hyena out on

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Speaker 2: the serengetti, and then tried to rape her and beat.

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Speaker 1: Her skull in to you.

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Speaker 2: You know Andrew Stoltman joining US, high profile Chicago lawyer.

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Speaker 2: He's an adjunct law professor at Northwestern. That's not shabby.

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Speaker 2: You know how hard it is to get into Northwestern University.

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Speaker 2: Co author of the book Waging War on Wall Street. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I respect that, but you go on and get after

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Speaker 2: those white collar criminals. Can we talk about a human

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Speaker 2: hyena right now? I'm sure you have experience in criminal

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Speaker 2: law as well.

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Speaker 1: I've read your resume very carefully.

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Speaker 2: How is it the prime suspect after what we know

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Speaker 2: happened to lacn Can you imagine the roommate.

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Speaker 1: Calling her parents.

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Speaker 2: Have you talked to Lacln and that feeling the mom

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Speaker 2: and dad must have gotten where they're like no. And

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Speaker 2: now he jumps up in court and is making demands

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Speaker 2: about having evidence thrown out. Do you ever just just

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Speaker 2: want to shoot your foot when you're sitting in court

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Speaker 2: listening to this. If I could get my hands around

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Speaker 2: his neck, I'd end up on the Nancy Grace Show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew Stoltman, why does.

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Speaker 2: He think he can make demands like throwing out evidence?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think he's seen it done successfully in other cases.

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Speaker 7: I mean, think about it, Nancy, how will to defend

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Speaker 7: and get around the fact that his DNA was found

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Speaker 7: underneath the victim's nails?

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Speaker 1: Right, that's cataclysmic to the case.

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Speaker 7: So he has to try to get this information out

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Speaker 7: because if he doesn't, he's going to spend a very

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Speaker 7: long time the rest of his life in prison. And

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Speaker 7: by the way, I still can't figure out why the

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Speaker 7: prosecutors aren't pursuing the death penalty in this case because

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Speaker 7: of any reprobate. If any degenerate deserves it, it's this guy.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to talk about the way that

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Speaker 2: her body was found, but let me go along chronologically.

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Speaker 2: So the roommate realizes Lacon didn't come back from jogging.

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Speaker 2: She starts making calls, where's Lacon, Where's Lincoln. Laca's not

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Speaker 1: Now listen to this.

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Speaker 3: There was a.

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Speaker 1: Jacket, and what was the significance of the jacket? Why

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Speaker 1: were you why did you believe it was related?

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Speaker 8: To them because I've never sold a jacket myself, but

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Speaker 8: I was told by other law enforcement officials that there

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Speaker 8: was blood and I believe hair on the jacket.

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Speaker 1: What's of hair Licn's hair, Laken's hair on a jacket.

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Speaker 2: So immediately, Cheryl McCollum, all the investigators start retracing her

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Speaker 1: Then they look in a dumpster.

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Speaker 2: Thank Heaven, and yes, that's sop to look at dumpsters.

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Speaker 1: I looked in plenty of them.

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Speaker 1: It's horrible conditions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again there you have to get in it

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Speaker 2: and dig through everything. But they were rewarded when they

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Speaker 1: That dumpster yielded evidence.

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Speaker 5: Cheryl McCollum, it was brilliant Nancy. From the moment she's

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Speaker 5: reported missing at twelve oh seven, they find her by

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Speaker 5: twelve thirty eight. That's telling you how seriously law enforcement

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Speaker 5: took this. When they got to that dumpster and got

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Speaker 5: the hair, that's going to connect that person from that

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Speaker 5: jacket to Lakeland. Then they also have her cell phone

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Speaker 5: you mentioned earlier, she attempted to call nine one one.

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Speaker 5: That's going to be real time stamped too. So now

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Speaker 5: you're starting to build this case, your spart you know,

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Speaker 5: you're starting to connect these dots that are going to

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Speaker 5: be extremely important for trial.

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Speaker 2: Right now is a very high profile investigative reporter and

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Speaker 2: anchor a WTVM and WXTX on this case from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: And I say case as opposed to story. This is

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Speaker 1: no story.

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Speaker 2: As Lacan's parents if this is some story, this is

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Speaker 2: real and they are having to deal with this every

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Speaker 1: And now the.

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Speaker 2: Suspect is making demands. He's got a nerve. Jason Dennis,

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Speaker 2: I want you to tell me about the area. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us again. Jason, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You've been there, You're familiar with it. You know exactly

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Speaker 2: what happened. Tell me about the area where Laken was jogging.

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Speaker 3: Well, these are Nancy intramural fields that are commonly used.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's forty thousand students at the University of Georgia,

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Speaker 3: including my son, and this is an area that's commonly

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Speaker 1: A beautiful twenty two year old comes face to face

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Speaker 1: It doesn't take long for police to realize that.

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Speaker 2: What originally led police to this guy and to this.

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Speaker 3: Apartment, A Bara allegedly, you know, was was lying in wait,

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Speaker 2: Are you telling me that a member of the notorious

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Speaker 3: And the the problem here as well, this was you

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Speaker 1: Version student, This is what I understand.

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Speaker 2: He is around all these young coz that can be

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Speaker 1: But Chris McDonough.

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Speaker 1: The Interview Room on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I have to go through to

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Speaker 2: I to show ID, I have to show credit cards.

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Speaker 2: You don't forget the check? Never mind, I'll just use

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Speaker 2: a credit card. But this guy is serving food in

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Speaker 10: Really, yeah, it's almost unbelievable, isn't it, Nassia. I mean

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Speaker 10: the fact that this guy's part of a transnational organization,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, at.

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Speaker 10: Some point they're gonna they're gonna clash with the Mexican

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Speaker 10: I'm part of this organization, like you said, you know,

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Speaker 10: scoop and potatoes, you know, mash potatoes for the kids

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Speaker 2: Me think about it. Think about it, Chris McData. Let

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Speaker 2: Can't you imagine the looks they give those young girls

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: Of course they would look at the co eds, the

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make the connection about how they find

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Speaker 1: Listen the email.

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Speaker 12: Subviig had a black in color baseball cap with a

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Speaker 1: At the Dompsters.

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Speaker 9: While waiting for a search warrant to arrive, officers have

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Speaker 9: jose Ebarra and his roommates detained outside the apartment. UGA

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Speaker 9: Police Corporal Raphael Sion describes jose Ebarra as very quiet

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Speaker 2: So Cheryl McCollum joining me, Cold Case Research Institute Founder

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Speaker 2: forensics expert Cheryl, So, somebody was doing a great job.

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Speaker 2: They look at a dumpster, they find a jacket, it's

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Speaker 5: Absolutely and Nancy again from where her body is.

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Speaker 1: If you walk.

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Speaker 5: Straight, you go right to that dumpster. They did that immediately.

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Speaker 5: Then as they start, you know, walking around the neighborhood,

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Speaker 5: They looked at every single trash bend they could find

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen from Uga Police Sergeant Josh Epps

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Speaker 8: I believe there's fair pabability. There's evidence of the murder

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Speaker 13: We have a suspect in custody for Lakeland's murder. We

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Speaker 13: are obtaining arrest warrants for Jose Antonio Abera, twenty six

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Speaker 13: years of age. He lives here in Athens, but it's

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Speaker 13: following malice, murder, felony murder, aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping,

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Speaker 2: Of another, even in line of the horrific attacks on

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Speaker 2: lacn He is in court making demands what more evidence

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Speaker 9: Lesson, after hose Ebarro's arrest for the murder of lake

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Speaker 9: the opinion of Athens Clark Police crime scene technician Tim

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Speaker 1: So how is it destray out?

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Speaker 2: To the veteran defense attorney Andrew Stoltman, how is it

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Speaker 7: Well, I think you have to argue that the process

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Speaker 7: So that's just kind of another bullet in the chamber

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Speaker 1: Shedding a little light on the defendants demands in court.

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Speaker 9: Listen, Jose Ebarra aims to challenge the evidence prosecutors plan

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Speaker 9: The defense team for Jose Ebarra is claiming that after

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Speaker 1: We see this.

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Speaker 2: All the time when a search warrant is obtained and

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Speaker 1: What does that mean.

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Speaker 2: Let's say that I finally get fed up and I

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Speaker 2: The search warrant could say any and all evidence that

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace ever did anything wrong in her life, that's overbroad.

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Speaker 2: But when the search warrant specifically refers to the murder

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Speaker 2: of a victim, as it did, how can that possibly

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Speaker 2: be construed as overbroad?

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Speaker 1: And let's get.

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Speaker 2: Real, Andrew Staltman, is very rare that a search warrant

445
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Speaker 2: is quashed and the evidence on the return is suppressed

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Speaker 2: because of overbroad You got to do a little bit

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Speaker 2: better than that.

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Speaker 1: It is most certainly a hail Mary.

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Speaker 7: And I think they're doing everything to try to keep

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Speaker 7: that evidence out of the case because it is devastating

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Speaker 7: to the case and to the defense of the scumbag defendant.

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Speaker 7: And so yes, I think we're kind of going through

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Speaker 7: the defense lawyer handbook, the playbook, throwing up every hail

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Speaker 7: mayor they can. I don't expect it to be successful.

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Speaker 7: That evidence is coming in. He's going to be convicted.

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Speaker 2: The defense also argues there's no PC no probable cause to.

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Speaker 1: Search the home. Bs listen ose.

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Speaker 4: Bara's defense argues there's no probable cause to search the

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Speaker 4: apartment and the warrant is overbroad in that it is

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Speaker 4: seeking anything with DNA. Items seized include cell phones, which

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Speaker 4: experts from the FBI analyzed. Prosecutors argue the cell phones

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Speaker 4: were seized in good faith and the facts and circumstances

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Speaker 4: discovered by police make it a reasonable search.

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Speaker 2: Just Scott Morgan joining me, Professor forensicks, don't you love

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Speaker 2: cell phones? Can we just enjoy the moment of remembering

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Speaker 2: Alex and murdog on the stand being confronted with all

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Speaker 2: the cell phone outa that places him at the scene

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Speaker 2: of the double murder of his wife Maggie and son Paul.

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Speaker 1: He's like rot Row. The cell phone evidence was damning.

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Speaker 1: So in this.

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Speaker 2: Case police go in pursuant to warrant Andrew Stoutman pursuant

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Speaker 2: to a search warrant signed by a judge and they

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Speaker 2: seese cell phones and a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of other evidence.

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Speaker 2: So what could be on the Defenan's cell phone or

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Speaker 2: the relative cell phone.

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Speaker 1: What do they want?

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Speaker 2: It's got to be something, because the defense is trying

479
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Speaker 2: so hard to get suppressed. If it didn't have any

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Speaker 2: any probitive evidence on it, they wouldn't care. They say,

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Speaker 2: bring it in, but no, they are fighting tooth and

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Speaker 2: nail to keep that cell phone data out.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they are, And I think that you're going to

485
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Speaker 6: discover perhaps that there are some really incriminating messages. Remember

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Speaker 6: he's here with his brother and he understands. He has

487
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Speaker 6: this kind of come to Jesus moment where he realizes

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Speaker 6: how deep he's into this thing, starts communicating with people,

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Speaker 6: and you see that throughout his actions. But Nancy, there's

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Speaker 6: another piece to this relative to cell phone. The cell

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Speaker 6: phone revealing something. Do you remember when this case first happened,

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Speaker 6: how it was stated that Laken had an awareness that

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Speaker 6: this was going to happen, and that she had initiated

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Speaker 6: a nine to one one call. It had been put

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Speaker 6: forth that the phone was taken from her, And I'm

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Speaker 6: talking about the physical phone itself. If his thumbprint is

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Speaker 6: on there, that's a damning bit of information. These two

498
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Speaker 6: had never known each other, he wasn't known to use

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Speaker 6: her phone, So how do you explain that away? Defense

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Speaker 6: has to do that? And I'll give you one more

501
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Speaker 6: if you like that one. You begin to think about

502
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Speaker 6: this damning level of information. What did they say about

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Speaker 6: him when they hooked him up on charges he had injuries?

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Speaker 6: Did he not? We're talking about DNA relative to what

505
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Speaker 6: may have been beneath her fingernails. Now we don't know

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Speaker 6: how far out this exclusion or how much the defense

507
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Speaker 6: is wanting to throw that data out and how that

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Speaker 6: was collected. But both of those elements, and we're not

509
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Speaker 6: even getting into the electronics stuff. We're just talking about

510
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Speaker 6: physical evidence here that in and of itself is very damning.

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Speaker 6: So I can see why the defense would want to

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Speaker 6: do this. They're going to be drowning relative to the

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Speaker 6: scale of.

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Speaker 14: This, Naty can I jump in this, Yeral McCollum, I

515
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Speaker 14: was just going I was just about to ask you

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Speaker 14: your thoughts on what could be on that cell phone

517
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Speaker 14: between the two of them, and what if he says

518
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Speaker 14: I'm in trouble, I just killed a girl, or you

519
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Speaker 14: don't know what's on there yet, is.

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Speaker 5: What I do believe you're going to see those two

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Speaker 5: phones in the exact same place for the exact same

522
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Speaker 5: amount of time, and that's going to be from twelve

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Speaker 5: seven to twelve thirty eight ish, and that's going to

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Speaker 5: be the most damning those phones move together for a

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Speaker 5: period of time.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with great ose.

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Speaker 4: Ebarra is also charged with peeping through the window of

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Speaker 4: an apartment in UGA's University Village building s and spying

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Speaker 4: on an individual on the same day as Riley's murder.

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Speaker 4: The person involved in that case is not Lake and

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Speaker 4: Riley now the defense.

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Speaker 2: Another demand in court is that the peeping Tom accusation

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Speaker 2: be severed. In other words, they don't want the Lacan

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Speaker 2: murder jury to hear anything about the peeping tom. Where

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Speaker 2: this guy Ebarra is peeping Tom. It's alleged he is

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Speaker 2: peeping Tom on another young woman just before Laken's murder.

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Speaker 1: I bet he does want that thrown out to doctor

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Speaker 1: Chloe Carmichael.

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Speaker 2: All it takes is a renowned clinical psychologist like herself

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Speaker 2: to explain the connection between peeping tom's and rapists, because

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Speaker 2: it's a well known phenomena amongst prosecutors. Not all voyeurs

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Speaker 2: peeping tom's are rapists, but I guarantee you, doctor Kloyd Chloe,

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Speaker 2: that all rapists are voyeurs.

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Speaker 11: Yes, to a certain degree, Nancy exactly. So there's actually

545
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Speaker 11: also something called algolagnia, which is the anticipation that a

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Speaker 11: sadist feels at the joy of their sick anticipation before

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Speaker 11: they do an act of sadism. And there's also sometimes

548
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Speaker 11: a certain amount of sucking and just simply sick logistical

549
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Speaker 11: planning that a rapist needs to do before he can

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Speaker 11: actually make his move. So the idea that this person

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Speaker 11: you would be stalking her is not a surprise to me.

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Speaker 11: And moreover, the brutality with which he murdered her, I mean,

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Speaker 11: her skull completely crushed. This is somebody who obviously takes

554
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Speaker 11: some kind of, you know, literal overkill pleasure in what

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Speaker 11: he's doing. Wasn't, you know, physically disabling her just to

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Speaker 11: accomplish a goal. He went above and beyond, and it

557
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Speaker 11: suggests that he has kind of an animalistic drive there. Obviously,

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Speaker 11: I would venture to say that this is not his

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Speaker 11: first time doing something like this based on the brutality

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Speaker 11: of this attack, and it's no surprise to me at

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Speaker 11: all that the same thing he was caught with a

562
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Speaker 11: peeping tom earlier in the day. It's also not a

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Speaker 11: surprise to me that he would in the courtroom start

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Speaker 11: making demands. I mean, first he you know, kind of

565
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Speaker 11: rapes our borders. He comes in here illegally and then

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Speaker 11: proceeds to literally rape our citizens. It's not a surprise

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Speaker 11: to me then that he thinks he can turn the

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Speaker 11: courtroom into his own playground as well. My guess is

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Speaker 11: that he's laughing at our judicial system.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum was like in sex assault that.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and Nancy, I want to just tigging back on

572
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Speaker 5: what the doctor was just saying. Here's a couple of

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Speaker 5: crimes here that, if you look historically, are just called

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Speaker 5: the wrong thing. One is joy riding. We don't call

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Speaker 5: that stealing a car date rate, we should just call rape.

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Speaker 5: And peeping tom is nothing more than stalking with a

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Speaker 5: sexual motive. A peeping tom is a sexual predator, period two.

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Speaker 2: Jason Dennis joining us WTVM and wxt X. Jason tell

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Speaker 2: me about the alleged and I say alleged because none

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Speaker 2: of this.

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Speaker 1: Has been proven in a court of law.

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Speaker 2: In fact, he's still presumed innocent until it has been

583
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Speaker 2: proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Jason tell me about the

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Speaker 2: alleged peeping tom incident and the connected incident of him

585
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Speaker 2: allegedly trying to force another young co ed's door open

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Speaker 2: before Lakerim was found dead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these are, unfortunately, you know, seen as crimes of

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Speaker 3: opportunity because you have so many students, young co eds

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Speaker 3: on this campus in Athens, Georgia, and he is lying

590
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Speaker 3: in wait and watching uh, these young women younger than

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Speaker 3: him and kind of picking his prey. And he is

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Speaker 3: accused of or allegedly pulling up Lake and Riley's close

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Speaker 3: to sexually saw her, then hit her on the head,

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Speaker 3: asphyxiating her, according to prosecutors pleading. And he's not been

595
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Speaker 3: charged with sexual assault. The peeping toms a separate incident

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Speaker 3: as well, but he's pled not guilty to these ten

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Speaker 3: counts of malice, murder, kidnapping, aggravated assault, other crimes. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just a laundry list right now that is piling

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00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: up on a Bara and his defense team, and so

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Speaker 3: it it's something that that that it's going to be

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Speaker 3: very very difficult for them to unprove, to prove that

602
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Speaker 3: he is innocent. But they're they're grasping at straws right now.

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Speaker 3: And I think that the fact that you've got these

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Speaker 3: other separate cases peeping tom and other kind of this,

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Speaker 3: this track record that Bara has for these sexual related crimes,

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Speaker 3: I think that is part of what the prosecution will

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Speaker 3: use to as part of the foundation of their case.

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Speaker 2: Who murdered Laken Riley? And why we do know this?

609
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Speaker 2: We know the man charged Ibarra, a member of a

610
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: vicious Venezuelan gang that is infiltrating the US, was spotted

611
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Speaker 2: wearing plastic gloves. Why are you wearing plastic gloves in

612
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Speaker 2: the middle of the day. I hate to give the

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00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: defense any ideas, but I'm guessing that somehow they're going

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Speaker 2: to connect this to being a food server in the

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Speaker 2: UGA cafeteria. Also, I wonder why he's not charged with

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Speaker 2: any particular sex attack. Since her clothes had been let

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Speaker 2: me say, disheveled, he obviously attempted a sex attack. You know,

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Speaker 2: let me analyze very quickly some of these charges. Andrew Stoultman,

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Speaker 2: it's genius in the charging. I think that they did

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Speaker 2: not charge with an attempted sex attack because they may

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Speaker 2: fail improving that and you don't want to throw in

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Speaker 2: a bad.

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Speaker 1: Charge with other good charges.

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Speaker 2: One bad apple can spoil the whole thing, right, like

625
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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson said, So why throw in a weak charge

626
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: that could infect the other charges. Listen to this, Andrew Stoltman.

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Speaker 2: It's a defense attorney's worst nightmare. They've got in charge

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Speaker 2: with malice murder, which is intentional killing. And of course

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Speaker 2: malice or intent to kill does not require any particular

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Speaker 2: amount of time, such as a long process like poisoning

631
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Speaker 2: someone over weeks and months. It could be the time

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Speaker 2: it takes you to pick up a rock and bash

633
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Speaker 2: her skull. That's enough time to form intent under the law.

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Speaker 2: But just in case the jury doesn't buy it, Stoltman,

635
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Speaker 2: he's also charged with felony murder, the underlying felonies being

636
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Speaker 2: AG battery and AG assault kidnapping. Now what that means

637
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Speaker 2: is it doesn't matter if you intended to kill. If

638
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Speaker 2: very simply, if a death occurs during the commission of

639
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Speaker 2: a felony, that's felony murder. You don't need intent to kill,

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Speaker 2: and felony murder carries the same penalty in this jurisdiction

641
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Speaker 2: as does malice murder.

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Speaker 1: Genius charging, Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 7: I mean this obviously is in the first rodeo for

644
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Speaker 7: these prosecutors, and I think they want to make sure

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Speaker 7: and they lead with the tip of the spear, lead

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Speaker 7: with charges that they can absolutely positively prove. And all

647
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Speaker 7: of these are going to carry a lifetime prison sentence,

648
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Speaker 7: so you know these are good prosecutors. They're going to

649
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Speaker 7: hammer this guy. I think it's going to be a game,

650
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Speaker 7: set and.

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Speaker 10: Match for him.

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Speaker 2: One weak link in the jury could be disastrous. One

653
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Speaker 2: person that finds an issue with the fingerprint with the DNA.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they're challenging the DNA. I think

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Speaker 2: it's because of the search warrant. But that said, all

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Speaker 2: it takes is one weak link. I mean, I want

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Speaker 2: you to hear this. Cheryl, during the attack on Lacoln,

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Speaker 2: the perp allegedly prevents her from calling nine one one,

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Speaker 2: just like in Molly Tibbett's murder, then uses an object

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Speaker 2: which we believe to be a rock, to beat her

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Speaker 2: in the head so badly her skull is crushed disfigured.

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Speaker 1: Then he's accused it. I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: This isn't in the indictment of not only asphyxiating her,

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Speaker 2: but trying to pull her clothes off to sex assault her.

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Speaker 2: Then he drags her body from the intramural fields to

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Speaker 2: a secluded area to conceal it. I mean, think about it.

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Speaker 1: It's again. It's like a wolf out in the wild, Cheryl.

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Speaker 5: He targeted her as soon as he saw her. This

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Speaker 5: was absolutely a crime of opportunity. What you were say

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Speaker 5: seeing is a sexually motivated predator, a motivated sexual assault.

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Speaker 5: Whether he completed what he intended or not. Maybe he

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Speaker 5: got disrupted because somebody else was coming down the path.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he heard people talking and laughing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: But what we do know is he at a level

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Speaker 5: of murder, took a life of someone he simply saw

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Speaker 5: in a moment.

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Speaker 2: As we go to air, there are challenges to the

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Speaker 2: state's evidence. The defendant wants the pipping Tom severed. Why

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Speaker 2: he doesn't want the jury to know he's a PERV.

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Speaker 2: They are challenging the search warrant. That search warrant yielded

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Speaker 2: very valuable probative evidence, evidence that proves something. If that

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Speaker 2: search warrant attack prevails, much of the evidence will be suppressed.

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Speaker 2: We are also seeing, as in the Brian Coburger case,

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Speaker 2: a demand for a change of venue the defense saying

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Speaker 2: the defendant cannot get a fair trial in Athensy, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,