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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and a CBS you Gov poll says

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Speaker 1: that ninety two percent of Americans want the war with

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Speaker 1: Iran over asap. We have such a great job for

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Speaker 1: you today that Jim Acosta shows. Jim Acosta stops by

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Speaker 1: to talk about ice taking over America's airports.

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Speaker 2: What could go wrong?

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to a Keel Mr about the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court and birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: Smaya Diana, who edits Our Lovely podcast, sent me a

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Speaker 3: screenshot of gas prices in her neighborhood out in the

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Speaker 3: West Coast. Six dollars everywhere. My gas station is two

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Speaker 3: dollars up in my corner. We can't stop winning. But luckily,

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Speaker 3: mister Trump, after criticizing the Obama administration for his massive

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Speaker 3: handouts when he freed up money that was owed to Iran,

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Speaker 3: has now allowed a thirty day sale of iron oil

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Speaker 3: Can't stop winning, can't stop.

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Speaker 1: Winning, Okay, so years what's happening? Donald Trump has done

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Speaker 1: the thing that everyone said you weren't supposed to do

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Speaker 1: go to war with Iran? Why did he go to

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Speaker 1: war with Iran? Because he wanted to? As far as

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Speaker 1: I can tell, what did this do? What did Iran do?

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Speaker 1: They did the thing that anyone who has read a

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Speaker 1: book new they would do, which is closed the straits

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Speaker 1: all oil and gas, as much as half of all fertilizer.

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Speaker 1: Here's what happens when you cut off twenty percent of

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Speaker 1: all oil and gas. Oil and gas get more expensive.

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Speaker 1: They're fundible, so when they're less, it costs more. You

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Speaker 1: know what the spring is? The spring is planting season.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what you need when you're planting fertilizer?

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Speaker 1: Do you know that all of this could have been

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Speaker 1: prevented had Donald Trump read a book. But even more

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Speaker 1: of this could have been prevented had they filled up

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Speaker 1: this strategic oil reserves, had they stopped file like they

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Speaker 1: were planning on doing this for seemingly no reason. But

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Speaker 1: they could have stockpiled fertilizer, They could have stockpiled oil

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Speaker 1: and gas, They could have filled the strategic reserve.

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Speaker 2: They did none of that. You know why?

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Speaker 1: Because Donald Trump does not understand second order and third

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Speaker 1: or effects. So straits of hermose closed, oil and gas

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Speaker 1: shooting up in price six dollars a gallon. Congratulations to

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Speaker 1: all's who celebrate. Every single part of this could have

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Speaker 2: And this is how you get here.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So may I want to remind you there's this guy

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Speaker 3: for the fake from Oswami. He was very, very concerned

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Speaker 3: about waste for aud of abuse. In fact, he was

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Speaker 3: together to Alpha's you know how this goes, I mean,

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Speaker 3: man now phone. And then we have Congressman Mike Wahler,

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Speaker 3: who you may remember mostly for blackface but also being

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Speaker 3: obsessed with waste front abuse. Is it going to shock

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Speaker 3: you to hear that they've both been doing a ton

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Speaker 3: of waste fraud and abuse.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he's not obsessed with waste front abuse.

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Speaker 1: He's obsessed with Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 3: but Michael Jackson an abuse, you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, but anyway, So, yes, Mike Lawler is a guy

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Speaker 1: who he occupies a very swingy seat in upstate New York.

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Speaker 1: It's a seat that friend of the podcast mondre Jones

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Speaker 1: He has been trying to keep his seat.

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Speaker 4: He's been pretending to be a maverick, right.

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Speaker 1: He's pretending to be a moderate because he has to

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Speaker 1: So we have Mike Lawler one hundred and fifty k

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Speaker 1: The Daily Mail. I take no pleasure to mention that

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Speaker 1: but I hate them anyway. So here's what Mike Lawler

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Speaker 1: And there were stays at five star hotels, including Ritz

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Okay, you're ready for Vakes gubernatorial lavish

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Speaker 4: Fun stuff.

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Speaker 3: So, Mallia, there's this policy about how the press was

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Speaker 1: Yes, you'll be surprised to know that. And again this

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Speaker 1: just like all the stuff that Trump is doing is illegal.

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Speaker 1: But the reason why Trump thinks he can get away

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Speaker 1: Remember Haigsa fired all of the Pentagon press, CNN, New

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Speaker 1: And turns out like so much of what this administration

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Speaker 2: Not to put too fine a point on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but people sure do like pretending they love it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you will be shocked to know that.

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Speaker 1: Here's a guy, Nathan Kavanaugh admitting in a deposed video

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Speaker 1: Musk's incredible stupidity, he claimed he was reducing government spending,

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Speaker 1: I'm just great. You know what I'm excited about. You

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what could go wrong? Yeah, why don't we just

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Speaker 5: have ice at the airports where people are tense?

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Speaker 1: And yes, now a few things about ice. They have

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Speaker 5: Evidently, Yes, we've noticed that.

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Speaker 5: Fact I saw something Tom Homan said today. Well, maybe

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Speaker 5: on here. First of all, it's absurd that ICE is funded,

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Speaker 5: but the rest of the Department of Homeland Security is

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Speaker 5: not funded.

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Speaker 1: And ICE is railroad to billions to like ten billion.

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Speaker 2: They have like ten billion dollars in the BBB, right.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of it's for Christy Nome videos.

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Speaker 1: They have he didn't do what they wanted him to do.

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Speaker 5: Pentagon Briefings staffed with ringers, he's a national embarrassment. He

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Speaker 5: embarrasses this country every time he goes out there. And so,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's fun to, you know, needle these guys

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Speaker 5: and talk about how ridiculous they are. But I mean, Molly,

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Speaker 5: you and I have been around long enough to remember

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Speaker 5: what happened in the two thousands and how awful that

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Speaker 5: was and how difficult it was for this country to

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Speaker 5: get out of that and get stuck in something far worse.

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Speaker 5: It this continues.

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Speaker 2: No, it's going to be really bad.

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Speaker 1: There's no world in which this is not just a

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Speaker 1: complete shitt scho But it is kind of funny that

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Speaker 1: the only person they can get out there to defend

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Speaker 1: it is Scott besn't because Jade Vance is oddly silent

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Speaker 1: now that he realizes that he's going to have to

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Speaker 1: run on this bullshit mart though too, you know, a

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Speaker 1: little bit hanging back. And so if nothing else, they

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Speaker 1: had gotten themselves into an untenable position. But the other

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Speaker 1: reason why Bessin is on the Sunday shows, which I

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Speaker 1: want you to talk about, is because they are watching

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Speaker 1: the markets, the futures, and they're freaking out.

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Speaker 2: So talk about that.

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Speaker 5: No, the markets are freaking out, and I mean, Scott Bessen't,

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Speaker 5: you know, not necessarily the person you want to send

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Speaker 5: out They're to cool things down, but he's going to

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Speaker 5: say the things because Trump is a day trader and

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Speaker 5: he looks at the stock market and he adjusts his

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Speaker 5: policies and his statements accordingly. But I mean, we could

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Speaker 5: wake up tomorrow morning. The Iranians, to some extent, Molly,

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Speaker 5: they're I don't want to say they're in the driver's seat,

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Speaker 5: but they might be in the passenger seat. They're close,

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Speaker 5: they're not in the backseat, and they're firing off missiles

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Speaker 5: in ways that are surprising military experts. They fired one

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Speaker 5: off to this joint base between the US and the

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Speaker 5: uk out in the middle of the Indian Ocean that

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Speaker 5: is thousands of miles away, and demonstrated a capability that

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people were not aware of

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Speaker 5: that the Iranians possessed, even after and especially after all

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Speaker 5: of these bombing runs that the US and the Israelis

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Speaker 5: have been doing. And so to some extent, the Iranians

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Speaker 5: are driving events right now, and sort of in the

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Speaker 5: way that the Ukrainians have been driving events in Ukraine

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Speaker 5: with the Russians. They have learned that this asymmetrical drone

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Speaker 5: driven kind of you know, sneak up on you in

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Speaker 5: the middle of the night and you know, hit these

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Speaker 5: targets that you weren't thinking about. This type of warfare,

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Speaker 5: it can stall. And if you stall things out, you

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Speaker 5: can you can drive up the anxiety and the anger

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Speaker 5: domestically for back home, for Donald Trump and as the

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Speaker 5: Ukraine's have done for Vladimir Putin back in Russia.

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Speaker 2: Right And you don't have to win, You just have

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Speaker 2: to keep going. And I think you just.

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Speaker 5: Have to keep going and drag it out. And the Iranians,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you would think that we would have figured

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Speaker 5: this out, that they would have gamed this out and said,

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Speaker 5: you know, if this drags on and on, this is

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Speaker 5: going to be like are are Ukraine?

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Speaker 4: Are you? Do you have thought that?

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Speaker 1: Because I know this is a guy who was like,

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Speaker 1: I didn't see them closing this straight.

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Speaker 2: I didn't. Who could have predicted they would have gone

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Speaker 2: after the Amoradis.

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Speaker 1: Literally tell even Themis are literally paying them to not

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Speaker 1: bomb them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean that. The The guessing game

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Speaker 5: as to what would take place in a war with

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Speaker 5: Iran has been going on since nineteen seventy nine, and

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Speaker 5: it certainly picked up in the two thousands when Bush

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Speaker 5: went into Iraq, and you know, they were feeling very

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Speaker 5: confident about themselves.

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Speaker 1: We thought they would do.

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Speaker 2: They're doing exactly what they said they would do.

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Speaker 5: This is exactly what everybody thought they would do. This

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Speaker 5: is the reason why democratic and Republican administrations going back

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Speaker 5: decades have tried to ask the Israelis very nicely to

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Speaker 5: please cool your jets on this front, because the Iranians

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Speaker 5: control so much of the global energy supply, because they

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Speaker 5: have the ability if they knocked down the Strait of

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Speaker 5: Hormuz to really choke off the global energy supply and

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Speaker 5: just make everybody miserable everywhere. And that's why the Obama

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Speaker 5: administration chose the path of diplomacy and the near deal,

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Speaker 5: the P five plus one. You know, I covered that thing,

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Speaker 5: you know, and this was all argued back and forth

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Speaker 5: for years and years and years, and this is exactly

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Speaker 5: the scenario that a lot of the critics, I mean, Mollie,

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Speaker 5: you might remember this number when John Cain was caught

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Speaker 5: on a mike somewhere saying bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb

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Speaker 5: rand I mean that was like, this is this is

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Speaker 5: like a McCain Graham thing. For many many years, let's

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Speaker 5: go after the Iranians, and people have said, if you

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Speaker 5: do this, these are the things that are going to happen.

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Speaker 5: And now those things are happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly what anyone who is paying attention would have thought.

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Speaker 1: But Jim mccasta, will you come back always anytime?

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Speaker 2: Oh you call, I will be there, Ah the best. A.

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Speaker 1: Kiel Amar is a Sterling Professor of law and political

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Speaker 1: science at Yale University.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, Miquel.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Molly.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about birthrate citizenship. I want you to start

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Speaker 2: with talking.

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Speaker 1: About how you got involved in this case and what

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Speaker 1: your history with it is.

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Speaker 7: So my history with this case is co terminous with

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Speaker 7: my history. I begin as a baby born in ann Arbermissi.

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Speaker 7: And when I'm born in nineteen fifty eight, my parents

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Speaker 7: are not citizens.

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Speaker 6: They're here legally. They're doctors.

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Speaker 7: They've come to the United States to serve and help

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Speaker 7: American patients, to save American lives. At the invitation of

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Speaker 7: the American government. They meet in ann Arbor, they marry

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Speaker 7: in ann Arbor, and I'm.

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Speaker 6: Born a couple of years later. And here's the point.

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Speaker 7: I'm born a US citizen, or so I have always believed,

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Speaker 7: because it doesn't matter who your parents are. The Constitution

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Speaker 7: says that if you're born in the United States and

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Speaker 7: under the United States flag, you're born a US citizen.

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Speaker 7: And I grow up thinking about that a lot. I

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Speaker 7: go to Independence Hall, my parents take me there, and

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Speaker 7: I learned about the Constitution. That's where it was drafted

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Speaker 7: Independence Hall, and I decided at a young age, oh,

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Speaker 7: I want to study Constitution law because the day I

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Speaker 7: was born, the Constitution gave me this great birthday gift,

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Speaker 7: the gift of American citizenship.

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Speaker 6: Thinking about this issue forever.

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Speaker 1: Now I want you to talk about the case because

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Speaker 1: birthright citizenship has been something the right has been trying

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Speaker 1: to mess with basically since the of All War, since

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Speaker 1: after it was added.

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Speaker 2: So talk us through.

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Speaker 6: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 7: They've been talking about it from time to time, kind

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Speaker 7: of eccentrics. In for example, World War II, people brought

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Speaker 7: a case to say, oh, if you're born this is

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Speaker 7: after Pearl Harbor, if you're born a child of Japanese aliens,

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Speaker 7: even if you're born in the United States, you're not

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Speaker 7: a citizen. They brought a case, the court laughed them

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Speaker 7: out of court. This is in nineteen forty two. Forty

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Speaker 7: three people born in detention centers in the nineteen forties

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Speaker 7: born of Japanese aliens were technically, in law Japanese enemy

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Speaker 7: aliens because we were at war with Japan. Those American

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Speaker 7: born babies were treated by every branch of the government

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Speaker 7: as citizens of the United States until Donald Trump's second administration.

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Speaker 7: No president ever took a contrary position, even he didn't

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Speaker 7: in the first Trump administration. No court has ever upheld

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Speaker 7: anything like this. So, yes, there have been people that

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Speaker 7: have pushed back against it. But they've met with unanimous

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Speaker 7: opposition from courts and all other relevant government officials until

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Speaker 7: Trump too.

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Speaker 1: So this is the fourteenth Amendment. This is post reconstruction.

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Speaker 1: The idea is, if you are born in this country,

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Speaker 1: you are a member of this country period paragraph you

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Speaker 1: are a citizen.

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Speaker 2: This makes us different than France.

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Speaker 1: This makes us different than many countries where citizenship is

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Speaker 1: not bestowed right.

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Speaker 7: Many countries are based their citizenship ideas on the law

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Speaker 7: of blood. You have to descend from the right kind

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Speaker 7: of person, the right kind of parent.

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Speaker 6: We have the law of the soil with one little wrinkle.

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Speaker 7: You have to be born on American soil and under

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Speaker 7: the American flag, and the technical language of the fourteenth Amendment,

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Speaker 7: you have to be born subject to the jurisdiction the

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Speaker 7: United States, which the Reconstruction Republicans in effect explains to

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Speaker 7: their fellow Americans as under the flag, subject to under

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Speaker 7: jurisdiction flag. So there has to be a flag flying overhead.

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Speaker 7: And here's what they meant to accept from the general rule.

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Speaker 7: If you're born, for example, on Indian Territory, which at

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Speaker 7: that time was like a separate, quasi sovereign enclave that

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Speaker 7: wasn't quite being born under the flag. If you're born

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Speaker 7: behind the lines of an occupying army, that's not quite

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Speaker 7: subject to the jurisdiction. If you look up and there

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Speaker 7: was another flag flying overhead the way, for example, in

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Speaker 7: Berlin in the nineteen forties. Nineteen forties, there was an

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Speaker 7: American flag in West Berlin, Okay, occupied enemy territory for

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Speaker 7: an Indian reservation, those were different. So the rule is

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Speaker 7: on the soil and under the flag, you're in.

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Speaker 2: But if you're a Native American, you are still a

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Speaker 2: citizen today.

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Speaker 7: You are because in nineteen twenty four, Congress changed the

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Speaker 7: rules and said all Native Americans, even on reservations, are

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Speaker 7: birthright citizens by statute, and we no longer make treaties

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Speaker 7: with Indian tribes the way we once did. Not Remember, also, Molly,

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Speaker 7: this is sufficient to be a citizen. It's not necessary

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Speaker 7: if you're born, for example, you're Ted Kruz, you're born

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Speaker 7: in Canada. But you've got, you know, a citizen parent

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Speaker 7: that can often suffice.

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Speaker 2: But he can ever be president, Thank god, No, he

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Speaker 2: actually can, Molly.

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Speaker 7: So so what yep, because he's born US citizen. The rule

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Speaker 7: for presidency is not the Springsteen rule of born in

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Speaker 7: the USA. It's the rule that you have to be

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Speaker 7: a citizen on the day of your birth, and he

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Speaker 7: was indeed a citizen on the day of his birth,

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Speaker 7: because by statute, people born outside the United States to

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Speaker 7: citizen parents or parents under certain conditions are birthright citizens

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Speaker 7: by statutes.

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Speaker 1: So let's get to this case. Where are we in

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Speaker 1: it and what has your involvement been.

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Speaker 7: The first day of the Trump administration and second term,

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Speaker 7: inauguration day, President Trump issued an executive order saying, going forward,

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Speaker 7: for babies, going forward, not affecting a keel you know

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00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 7: it was born in nineteen fifty eight, but going forward,

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Speaker 7: you in general won't be treated by the US government,

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Speaker 7: said Trump, as a citizen unless at least one parent

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Speaker 7: is a citizen, US citizen.

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Speaker 6: Or a Green Card holder.

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Speaker 7: So if you're born to people who are just traveling

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Speaker 7: through the United States as foreigners or on a non

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Speaker 7: permanent visas or here illegally, in general, Trump says, I,

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump, I'm not going to recognize you as a

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Speaker 7: citizen now immediately. Courts actually said that order cannot go

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Speaker 7: into effect. Every single court has said this, whether the

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Speaker 7: court had a Republican judge or a democratic judge. Every

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Speaker 7: single court has said this, but the issue has now

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Speaker 7: reached the US Supreme Court. The case is called Trump

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Speaker 7: The Barbara's going to be orally argued on April first,

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Speaker 7: no Foolin', and a decision will issue probably at the

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Speaker 7: end of June. Briefs have already been filed in the

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Speaker 7: case by the relevant parties. Amicus briefs have also been filed.

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Speaker 7: I filed one, and if your audience is interested, they

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Speaker 7: can find it in five seconds with three clicks. They

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Speaker 7: can go onto scotisblog dot com and find all the briefs.

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Speaker 7: They can go onto the Supreme Court's website and find

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Speaker 7: all the briefs.

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Speaker 2: So talk us through what your amicus brief said.

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Speaker 7: My amicus brief says, like, the words are really clear,

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Speaker 7: and the history is really clear, and this amendment was about,

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Speaker 7: in part, citizenizing the children of former slaves. The slaves

671
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 7: are now free and they get to be citizens and

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Speaker 7: their children get to be citizens. Oh and some of

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00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 7: the slaves technically were illegal aliens because they had been

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Speaker 7: smuggled here in violation of laws that said you can't

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00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 7: bring slaves in. After eighteen oh eight, there was a

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Speaker 7: slave trade people were trafficked, by the way, today in

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Speaker 7: New York City, I have every reason to believe people

678
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 7: are being trafficked, you know, from Thailand, from China, sexual

679
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 7: slaves and the rest. So they were illegal aliens who

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00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 7: were in America in the eighteen sixties. And everyone knew

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Speaker 7: that fact. And they said, doesn't matter who your mommy

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00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 7: is or your daddy is. If you're born on American

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Speaker 7: soil under the flag, you're an American black or white,

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Speaker 7: male or female. You know, to citizen parents nonsense and parents,

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00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 7: whether you're born in or out of wedlock, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 7: It's a grand idea, a version of all men are

687
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 7: created equal.

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Speaker 6: But now it's a deeper thought.

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00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 7: It's not only are they born equally free, No one's

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00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 7: a slave anymore.

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Speaker 6: But if you're born in.

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Speaker 7: America on the soil under the flag, you're born an

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Speaker 7: equal birthright citizen.

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Speaker 1: So what is the take on this. Do you think

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Speaker 1: there's a world in which this Supreme Court, which is

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Speaker 1: very conservative, gets involved in this, or do you think

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Speaker 1: I mean, the conventional wisdom is they throw it out

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Speaker 1: and maybe you get a Alito or Thomas. But do

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00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: you think that makes sense or no.

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Speaker 7: I'm cautiously optimistic that the Supreme Court will not only

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Speaker 7: smack down the Trump executive order, but will do so unanimously,

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00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 7: perhaps not in reasoning, but in result. Because Molly, there's

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Speaker 7: one other thing I didn't tell you. There's a statute.

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Speaker 7: It was pasted a nineteen fifty two. Wow, it's clear.

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Speaker 7: So even if there were some debate about the eighteen sixties,

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Speaker 7: the federal statute in nineteen fifty two has been on

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00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 7: the books for almost seventy five years, says really clearly,

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Speaker 7: if you're born on American soil, you're an American citizen.

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Speaker 6: And if, by the way it.

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Speaker 7: Had been about your parents and their status, the statute

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00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 7: would have talked about parents.

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Speaker 6: Is it your mother? Is it your father?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 6: Is it your biological father?

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Speaker 7: Is it the person who's married to your mother the

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Speaker 7: time you're born to might not be the same thing

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00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 7: as your biological father. Other provisions of this statute talk

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Speaker 7: about all of that, like for people born to American

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Speaker 7: parents overseas, but this provision doesn't. By the way, the

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Speaker 7: Fourteenth Amendment doesn't talk about parents or domicile or mother

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Speaker 7: and father. Trump is making all of those things up,

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Speaker 7: and even if there were some doubt, I don't think

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Speaker 7: there is about the fourteenth Amendment. I think the Federal

724
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 7: Statute provides a sufficient alternative ground. So I'm cautiously optimistic

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Speaker 7: that the Court will be unanimous, at least in a result.

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Speaker 7: I hope in reasoning, this is a great opportunity for

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Speaker 7: the Court, Molly, to actually prove to people like you,

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00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 7: to skeptics like you, that they're not hacks okay, that

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Speaker 7: Republican appointees and Democrat appointees are going to vote together

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Speaker 7: on this and reaffirm the rule of law. Remember, several

731
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Speaker 7: Republican justices, including those appointed by Donald Trump. Two of

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Speaker 7: the three voted against Donald Trump in the tariff case.

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Speaker 6: That was six'. Three i'm hoping that this one might

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Speaker 6: even be.

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Speaker 1: UNANIMOUS i noticed you mentioned THAT i was a skeptic

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Speaker 1: of the incredible partisan hackery on The Supreme. Court i'm,

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Speaker 1: curious as someone who has probably taught some of these,

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Speaker 1: justices in, fact has definitely taught some of these, justices

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Speaker 1: what your take on This Supreme court is at this.

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Speaker 7: Moment it's by far the least disfunctional part of the federal.

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Speaker 6: Government, meant The.

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Speaker 7: House Of representatives is a snake. PIT i know that's

743
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Speaker 7: a low, bar but still for senators are actually students of.

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00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 7: Mind it's not what it used to be while the.

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00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 7: Presidency just remember who's president right. Now and here's why

746
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Speaker 7: it's the least. Dysfunctional these folks in the main actually

747
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 7: are serious. People they worked hard in, school they got good, grades.

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Speaker 7: Missed most of them clerked for the. Court they were

749
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 7: lower court judges for many years before they became A

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00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 7: Supreme court. Justices Only Elena kagan wasn't a lower federal court.

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Speaker 7: Judge i'm inju a solicitor. General they sometimes they do

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Speaker 7: their own. Reading they don't, Tweet they give. Reasons republicans

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00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 7: sometimes Join, democrats even in high profile. Cases obamacare was

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00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 7: upheld with the critical fifth, vote a swing vote being

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00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 7: cast by A republican, Appointee John. Roberts republicans on The

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00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 7: court smacked down A trump cent this order a few years.

757
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 7: Ago they smacked down The trump tariff situation Where trump

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00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 7: was just disregarding clear congressional. Statute whill he's doing that

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00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 7: again with this nineteen fifty two immigration At they don't

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00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 7: always across party, lines but far more than The house

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00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 7: or The. Senate The Supreme court is a place Where

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Speaker 7: republican And democratic, appointees you, know often work, together not,

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Speaker 7: always but.

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Speaker 2: Often, Okay i'm going to push back for a. Minute

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Speaker 2: is that? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah of, course on the other side of the tariff,

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Speaker 1: case we're Mega republican, donors so it was not necessarily

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Speaker 1: a party line.

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Speaker 7: Vote you're, Right but now there's the census, case, remember

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Speaker 7: and The obamacare. Case you, know now only One republican

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Speaker 7: cross party, lions but you only needed one back. Then

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Speaker 7: but also shout out to some of my conservative friends on.

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Speaker 7: This they're not all mega at. All there are many

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00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 7: principled conservatives who believe in taking The constitution. Seriously some

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00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 7: of them are, libertarian you. Know others are simply strong

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00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 7: originalists who believe in the, text, history and structure The.

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00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 7: CONSTITUTION a lot Of Federal society affiliates are on the

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00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 7: right side on. This i'll just give you one prominent.

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Speaker 7: Name his name Is ilia So. Men he has a

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00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 7: piece that he's recently published in Law fair on this,

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00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 7: topic AND i commend it to your. READERS i have

782
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 7: a bunch Of scotus blog columns that they might want

783
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 7: to take a look, at as, well but several leading

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Speaker 7: conservative organizations filed amicuspries in support of THE aclu in

785
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 7: support of the birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 6: Position so good for, them.

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Speaker 1: Right, so certainly birth right citizenship seems like beyond the.

788
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Speaker 1: Pale BUT i wonder if you would tell us who

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Speaker 1: you think Like thomas And alido have just voted every

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Speaker 1: which way we thought they, would or at LEAST i

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Speaker 1: thought they. Would they've made me very confident of their.

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Speaker 1: PARTISANNESS i wonder what the three new justices new, er

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Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts about sort of who has

794
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Speaker 1: surprised you or who has been the most capable of

795
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: interesting thinking and.

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00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 7: Decision so just a word on behalf of my, friends

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00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 7: and they are my, friends Sam alito And Clarence.

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Speaker 6: Thomas yeah they're.

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Speaker 7: Conservative BUT i could give you cases where they have

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Speaker 7: actually joined liberals on important. Issues Clarence, thomas for, example, says,

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Speaker 7: gee maybe governments shouldn't completely be officials be immune when

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Speaker 7: they Violate constie. Reiz maybe we should rethink, That and

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00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 7: good for, him and Sam alito has written some very

804
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 7: important originalist opinions saying let's stick to what The constitution actually,

805
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 7: says and traditionalist opinions must not break with existing with,

806
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 7: long long standing. Practices, well hear both originalism and traditional

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00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 7: support THE aclu because What Donald trump is doing is utterly,

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00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 7: unprecedented utterly a violative of what every single administration until

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00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 7: now has, done and in violation of the clear meaning

810
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 7: of The constitution and this congressional.

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Speaker 6: Statute, now the judges, also and conservatives don't in the

812
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 6: long run want presidents who can just make up. Rules

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00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 6: so if he can make up citizenship rules, today can

814
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Speaker 6: he change his mind tomorrow and then the day after?

815
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 6: That and what happens when A democrat comes in and

816
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 6: tries to change the rules back in a different. Way

817
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 6: so traditional conservatives actually do believe in the rule of.

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Speaker 6: Law and that's what this case is in part.

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Speaker 7: About, now you also asked me about the Three trump,

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Speaker 7: Appointees Neil gorsich And Brett cavanaugh And Amy Coney. Barrett

821
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Speaker 7: two of them ruled against him in the tariff case Against,

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Speaker 7: trump and the, Third Brett, cavanaugh is also a friend

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00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 7: and WHOM i hold in high, regard. Didn't but you

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Speaker 7: have to remember he in the executive. Branch he worked

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00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 7: Alongside GEORGE. W. Bush he was right outside The oval.

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Speaker 7: Office he was there the day of nine to eleven

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Speaker 7: when people are to evacuate The White. House so he's

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Speaker 7: going to have a very robust sense in general of

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Speaker 7: national security and executive. Power and that case was about

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Speaker 7: dealing with foreign nations in all sorts of. Ways but

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Speaker 7: Again i'm cautiously optimistic that on this case he'd be

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Speaker 7: on the right. Side he's very much a SUPPORTER i

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Speaker 7: think of gay. Rights he clerked For Anthony, kennedy who

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Speaker 7: gave us four and he's A republican, appointee hugely important

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Speaker 7: gay rights decisions culminating In obergefeld same sex. Marriage so

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Speaker 7: The conservatives are not remotely. Monolithic most of them self

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Speaker 7: identify as. Originalists they're going to pay attention to what

838
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 7: the constitution really. Says others are. Traditionalists What trump is

839
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Speaker 7: doing is very, untraditional and others Like John, Roberts, oh

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Speaker 7: they care a lot about the cases and the, precedents

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00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 7: and here the precedents are completely one hundred percent Against.

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Speaker 7: Trump no court has ever said anything like That Donald

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Speaker 7: trump is now saying about birthright.

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Speaker 6: Citizenship, Ever O.

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Speaker 2: Gil thank, you thank, you thank you for joining.

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Speaker 6: Us thank, You molly.

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Speaker 1: No more, Perfectly Jesse, cannon you, Know.

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Speaker 3: MOLLY i often think about How republicans traditionally ran on

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00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: the rule of, law and you know this last, time

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Speaker 3: Mister trump really ran on if you're on my, SIDE

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Speaker 3: i got, you, Bro and this is a, prime prime

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Speaker 3: example of the rule of.

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Speaker 4: Law fuck, it you're my, Boy let's.

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Speaker 2: to make a bet with, You.

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Speaker 3: market And.

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Speaker 4: Cashy i'm ready to lose more.

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Speaker 1: MONEY i bet you you're going to see this guy

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Speaker 1: doing more sketchy.

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Speaker 4: Stuff oh, wow that's not a Bet i'm.

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Speaker 1: Taking, yes it is IN i, think, yeah. Exactly so

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Speaker 1: let's talk about. This this is a guy who is

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Speaker 1: a modeling. AGENT i am making air. Quotes you can't see,

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Speaker 1: it BUT i. Am he's a modeling.

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Speaker 2: Agent.

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Speaker 3: Okay this reminds me of a man Named Castle. Blancis

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Speaker 3: that Was trump was friends with And, epstein.

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Speaker 2: And he Found. Milania he Introduced malania To.

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Speaker 1: TRUMP i, think from WHAT i, understand there's more in

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Speaker 1: all of. This but here's what this. IS i think

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Speaker 1: one of the first of many stories to come out

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Speaker 1: ice to detain his ex wife so he could get

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Speaker 1: custody of his.

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Speaker 2: Son but you know what this reads to, me.

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Speaker 4: Like please tell.

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Speaker 1: the first of many. Stories because here's WHY i think

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Speaker 1: that there's more to, this because you know that these

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Speaker 1: guys are doing stuff like this all the, Time so

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Speaker 1: that means that somebody's leaking about this, guy and somebody's

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Speaker 1: leaking a lot about this.

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Speaker 2: Guy and the fact that he's in The. Times And i've.

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Speaker 1: Also heard things that weren't that people weren't able to

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Speaker 1: track down on, THIS i bet you there's more. Here and,

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Speaker 1: look what's so interesting about this moment In trump world

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Speaker 1: is that it's just starting to fray and you're starting

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Speaker 1: to see stuff Like christy G nome thing and now

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Speaker 1: they're going After Corey lebandowski and you're just seeing their

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Speaker 1: picking the low hanging, fruit right, things none of this

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Speaker 1: because it's so, sloppy just like With, doge because it's so,

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Speaker 1: sloppy because it's so.

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Speaker 2: Stupid you're going to see more of. This so my

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Speaker 2: guess is this thing goes on and on and, on

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Speaker 2: and we are just getting. Started baby fun.

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Speaker 4: Stuff, yes.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday thursday And saturday to hear the best minds and

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